Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Thomas, Namaste Swamsa refers to both Lagna in Navamsa (this is Lagnamsa) and Atma Karak placement in Navamsa (this is Karakamsa). These could be two different bhavas in Navamsa. If AK is on Navamsa Lagna, then only one bhava is Lagnamsa and Karakamsa at the same time. Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj wrote: Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj swamsasohamsa Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 7:32 AM Dear Members,I am a learning member of this group.I find the term swamsa very confusing.Can anyone throw some light on swamsa and how it is found.RegardsThomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Dear Maja,First off all thanks for your reply,from what you have explained if the one says to look the fifth house from swamsa does it mean 5th house from navamsa lagna or atmakaraka lagna if both are in different navamsa house.For eg in my chart i have saturn as the atmakarka and its in virgo navamsa and navamsa lagna is pisces.so which house would be 5th from swamsa. Once again thanks a lot from your replyRegards,ThomasOn Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Thomas, Namaste Swamsa refers to both Lagna in Navamsa (this is Lagnamsa) and Atma Karak placement in Navamsa (this is Karakamsa). These could be two different bhavas in Navamsa. If AK is on Navamsa Lagna, then only one bhava is Lagnamsa and Karakamsa at the same time. Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj wrote: Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj swamsasohamsa Thursday, October 9, 2008, 7:32 AM Dear Members,I am a learning member of this group.I find the term swamsa very confusing.Can anyone throw some light on swamsa and how it is found.RegardsThomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Thomas, Namaste I was also very confused when I was reading about Swamsa for the first time. I believe that most of us were. :):) Your questions are not surprising me at all and answer would be: "Both." Or to use positions from your navamsa chart as convenient example (AK and lagna are not in same rasi in this case): 11th (Makar) and 5th (Kark) bhava in case of your navamsa chart are BOTH 5th bhava from Swamsa. Just accept that Swamsa means both: karakamsa and lagnamsa (meaning Atma Karak placement or lagna in Navamsa chart). As simple as that. P.S. I made one mistake in my previous email: If AK is on Navamsa Lagna, then only one bhava is Lagnamsa and Karakamsa at the same time. I forgot to add that this is the only case where you can find Swamsa in one bhava in Navamsa. Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj wrote: Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmjRe: swamsasohamsa Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 10:23 AM Dear Maja,First off all thanks for your reply,from what you have explained if the one says to look the fifth house from swamsa does it mean 5th house from navamsa lagna or atmakaraka lagna if both are in different navamsa house.For eg in my chart i have saturn as the atmakarka and its in virgo navamsa and navamsa lagna is pisces.so which house would be 5th from swamsa.Once again thanks a lot from your replyRegards,Thomas On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Thomas, Namaste Swamsa refers to both Lagna in Navamsa (this is Lagnamsa) and Atma Karak placement in Navamsa (this is Karakamsa). These could be two different bhavas in Navamsa. If AK is on Navamsa Lagna, then only one bhava is Lagnamsa and Karakamsa at the same time. Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj (AT) gmail (DOT) com> swamsasohamsa@ .comThursday, October 9, 2008, 7:32 AM Dear Members,I am a learning member of this group.I find the term swamsa very confusing.Can anyone throw some light on swamsa and how it is found.RegardsThomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Dear Maja,,Thanks a lot for explaining me.I tired google for an explanation but now your response has cleared me on this topic.Once again thanks for your help Thanks and regards,ThomasOn Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Thomas, Namaste I was also very confused when I was reading about Swamsa for the first time. I believe that most of us were. :):) Your questions are not surprising me at all and answer would be: " Both. " Or to use positions from your navamsa chart as convenient example (AK and lagna are not in same rasi in this case): 11th (Makar) and 5th (Kark) bhava in case of your navamsa chart are BOTH 5th bhava from Swamsa. Just accept that Swamsa means both: karakamsa and lagnamsa (meaning Atma Karak placement or lagna in Navamsa chart). As simple as that. P.S. I made one mistake in my previous email: If AK is on Navamsa Lagna, then only one bhava is Lagnamsa and Karakamsa at the same time. I forgot to add that this is the only case where you can find Swamsa in one bhava in Navamsa. Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj wrote: Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmjRe: swamsa sohamsa Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 10:23 AM Dear Maja,First off all thanks for your reply,from what you have explained if the one says to look the fifth house from swamsa does it mean 5th house from navamsa lagna or atmakaraka lagna if both are in different navamsa house.For eg in my chart i have saturn as the atmakarka and its in virgo navamsa and navamsa lagna is pisces.so which house would be 5th from swamsa. Once again thanks a lot from your replyRegards,Thomas On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Thomas, Namaste Swamsa refers to both Lagna in Navamsa (this is Lagnamsa) and Atma Karak placement in Navamsa (this is Karakamsa). These could be two different bhavas in Navamsa. If AK is on Navamsa Lagna, then only one bhava is Lagnamsa and Karakamsa at the same time. Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj (AT) gmail (DOT) com> swamsasohamsa@ .com Thursday, October 9, 2008, 7:32 AM Dear Members,I am a learning member of this group.I find the term swamsa very confusing.Can anyone throw some light on swamsa and how it is found.RegardsThomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Thomas, Namaste You are most welcome. My confusion about Swamsa was cleared out not so long time ago, so memories are still very much fresh I am glad that this made me able to understand your "confusion" better and help you. Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj wrote: Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmjRe: swamsasohamsa Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 10:48 AM Dear Maja,,Thanks a lot for explaining me.I tired google for an explanation but now your response has cleared me on this topic.Once again thanks for your helpThanks and regards,Thomas On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Thomas, Namaste I was also very confused when I was reading about Swamsa for the first time. I believe that most of us were. :):) Your questions are not surprising me at all and answer would be: "Both." Or to use positions from your navamsa chart as convenient example (AK and lagna are not in same rasi in this case): 11th (Makar) and 5th (Kark) bhava in case of your navamsa chart are BOTH 5th bhava from Swamsa. Just accept that Swamsa means both: karakamsa and lagnamsa (meaning Atma Karak placement or lagna in Navamsa chart). As simple as that. P.S. I made one mistake in my previous email: If AK is on Navamsa Lagna, then only one bhava is Lagnamsa and Karakamsa at the same time. I forgot to add that this is the only case where you can find Swamsa in one bhava in Navamsa. Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: swamsasohamsa@ .comThursday, October 9, 2008, 10:23 AM Dear Maja,First off all thanks for your reply,from what you have explained if the one says to look the fifth house from swamsa does it mean 5th house from navamsa lagna or atmakaraka lagna if both are in different navamsa house.For eg in my chart i have saturn as the atmakarka and its in virgo navamsa and navamsa lagna is pisces.so which house would be 5th from swamsa.Once again thanks a lot from your replyRegards,Thomas On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Thomas, Namaste Swamsa refers to both Lagna in Navamsa (this is Lagnamsa) and Atma Karak placement in Navamsa (this is Karakamsa). These could be two different bhavas in Navamsa. If AK is on Navamsa Lagna, then only one bhava is Lagnamsa and Karakamsa at the same time. Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj (AT) gmail (DOT) com> swamsasohamsa@ .comThursday, October 9, 2008, 7:32 AM Dear Members,I am a learning member of this group.I find the term swamsa very confusing.Can anyone throw some light on swamsa and how it is found.RegardsThomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Thomas, Long time ago I was also struggling to find out the difference and this is what my understanding is. I look forward to any correction in this from learned members. “Swa means Self. So when referring to the native as a person then it’s Lagnamsa, and when checking the native’s achievements or the abilities then Lagnamsa is taken as Swamsa. Now Soul is also self. So when looking for Soul’s desires then referring the Karkamsa as Swamsa.” Best Regards Sonia sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Thomas Joseph Friday, 10 October 2008 4:23 AM sohamsa Re: swamsa Dear Maja, First off all thanks for your reply,from what you have explained if the one says to look the fifth house from swamsa does it mean 5th house from navamsa lagna or atmakaraka lagna if both are in different navamsa house.For eg in my chart i have saturn as the atmakarka and its in virgo navamsa and navamsa lagna is pisces.so which house would be 5th from swamsa. Once again thanks a lot from your reply Regards, Thomas On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Maja ©trbac <majastrbacastro wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Thomas, Namaste Swamsa refers to both Lagna in Navamsa (this is Lagnamsa) and Atma Karak placement in Navamsa (this is Karakamsa). These could be two different bhavas in Navamsa. If AK is on Navamsa Lagna, then only one bhava is Lagnamsa and Karakamsa at the same time. Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj wrote: Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj swamsa sohamsa Thursday, October 9, 2008, 7:32 AM Dear Members, I am a learning member of this group.I find the term swamsa very confusing.Can anyone throw some light on swamsa and how it is found. Regards Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 HARE RAMA KRISHNA Dear Sonia, Amsa is the portion, perhaps the portion of God, Jeevatma which burns the karma in this plane. It has it’s inherited nature, ability and skills came from past. Which we seen from Atmakaraka in navamsa. So when we deal with this, Karakamsa become Swamsa. What recourses comes from Sun in this life for burn our sins, or accumulate it, is Lagnamsa. Lagnamsa in any varga shows what is available for us in this life. So Lagnamsa doesn’t show inherited skills etc. , but it shows what we can develop in this life. But, what we want to do is another issue. Paka Lagna shows where our intelligence applied and what we want to do. If these three are linked, life will be bed of roses as, “What we want to do “ in “soul level “ is “available” for us. When these three are not working together, we are confusing and suffering is going on. Perhaps these three may have some relation with three aspects of Agni comes from Simha, Danu and Mesha. Agni in soul level is the highest is Savitur (Simha), manifested God reside in far away. Agni in the level of applied intelligence may be the Indra in mid range (Dhanu). Finally heat which burns our sins may be Rudra in this plane (Aries). I just shared, something I am pondering and looking for the direction from Guru. Thanks and Best Wishes Karu sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sonia Gupta Friday, 10 October 2008 8:19 AM sohamsa RE: swamsa Hare Rama Krishna Dear Thomas, Long time ago I was also struggling to find out the difference and this is what my understanding is. I look forward to any correction in this from learned members. “Swa means Self. So when referring to the native as a person then it’s Lagnamsa, and when checking the native’s achievements or the abilities then Lagnamsa is taken as Swamsa. Now Soul is also self. So when looking for Soul’s desires then referring the Karkamsa as Swamsa.” Best Regards Sonia sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Thomas Joseph Friday, 10 October 2008 4:23 AM sohamsa Re: swamsa Dear Maja, First off all thanks for your reply,from what you have explained if the one says to look the fifth house from swamsa does it mean 5th house from navamsa lagna or atmakaraka lagna if both are in different navamsa house.For eg in my chart i have saturn as the atmakarka and its in virgo navamsa and navamsa lagna is pisces.so which house would be 5th from swamsa. Once again thanks a lot from your reply Regards, Thomas On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Maja ©trbac <majastrbacastro wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Thomas, Namaste Swamsa refers to both Lagna in Navamsa (this is Lagnamsa) and Atma Karak placement in Navamsa (this is Karakamsa). These could be two different bhavas in Navamsa. If AK is on Navamsa Lagna, then only one bhava is Lagnamsa and Karakamsa at the same time. Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj wrote: Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj swamsa sohamsa Thursday, October 9, 2008, 7:32 AM Dear Members, I am a learning member of this group.I find the term swamsa very confusing.Can anyone throw some light on swamsa and how it is found. Regards Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Dea Sonia Thats so right...you should extebd logic *in exactly similar manner* See the statements you wrote – “Swa means Self. So when referring to the native as a person then it’s Lagnamsa, and when checking the native’s achievements or the abilities then Lagnamsa is taken as Swamsa. Now Soul is also self. So when looking for Soul’s desires then referring the Karkamsa as Swamsa.” ....this is very logical way of doing it “Swa means Self. Self is to be known from the tripod of Soul, Mind and Intelligence ...Sun, Moon and Lagna => AK, Moon, Lag for individual perspective So when referring to the native as a person then it’s Lagnamsa, and when checking the native’s achievements or the abilities then Lagnamsa is taken as Swamsa. Now Soul is also self. So when looking for Soul’s desires then referring the Karkamsa as Swamsa.” ...this is where the logic seems incomplete ---in a similar manner, the bodily existence and experiences of the Soul are to be known from the Karaka Lagna and the its desires and abilities from the Karakamsa although we should bear in mind that the soul is indestructible and hence this fear is missing from it See how the logic of the Lagna is extended to both Rasi and Navamsha position of AK ...and we are required to do this correctly in 3 steps – First from Lagna, then from Moon and then from AK Best Wishes Sanjay Rath sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sonia Gupta 10 October 2008 02:49 sohamsa RE: swamsa Hare Rama Krishna Dear Thomas, Long time ago I was also struggling to find out the difference and this is what my understanding is. I look forward to any correction in this from learned members. “Swa means Self. So when referring to the native as a person then it’s Lagnamsa, and when checking the native’s achievements or the abilities then Lagnamsa is taken as Swamsa. Now Soul is also self. So when looking for Soul’s desires then referring the Karkamsa as Swamsa.” Best Regards Sonia sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Thomas Joseph Friday, 10 October 2008 4:23 AM sohamsa Re: swamsa Dear Maja, First off all thanks for your reply,from what you have explained if the one says to look the fifth house from swamsa does it mean 5th house from navamsa lagna or atmakaraka lagna if both are in different navamsa house.For eg in my chart i have saturn as the atmakarka and its in virgo navamsa and navamsa lagna is pisces.so which house would be 5th from swamsa. Once again thanks a lot from your reply Regards, Thomas On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Maja ©trbac <majastrbacastro wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Thomas, Namaste Swamsa refers to both Lagna in Navamsa (this is Lagnamsa) and Atma Karak placement in Navamsa (this is Karakamsa). These could be two different bhavas in Navamsa. If AK is on Navamsa Lagna, then only one bhava is Lagnamsa and Karakamsa at the same time. Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj wrote: Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj swamsa sohamsa Thursday, October 9, 2008, 7:32 AM Dear Members, I am a learning member of this group.I find the term swamsa very confusing.Can anyone throw some light on swamsa and how it is found. Regards Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Hare Rama Krishna Namaste Karu Ji, Thanks for explaining it so nicely. So far I understood that one of the trines of the Lagnamsa shows the inherited ability and one of the trines shows one which can be developed in time. I get confused with the 5th or the 9th showing the above mentioned ability. I think 9th is the past inherited and 5th as the future abilities. Please correct me if needed. I am having difficulty in understanding the relation of Swamsa and Agni. May be I am not ready yet for this understanding. Thanks and Best Regards Sonia sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Karu Heenkenda Friday, 10 October 2008 10:09 AM sohamsa RE: swamsa HARE RAMA KRISHNA Dear Sonia, Amsa is the portion, perhaps the portion of God, Jeevatma which burns the karma in this plane. It has it’s inherited nature, ability and skills came from past. Which we seen from Atmakaraka in navamsa. So when we deal with this, Karakamsa become Swamsa. What recourses comes from Sun in this life for burn our sins, or accumulate it, is Lagnamsa. Lagnamsa in any varga shows what is available for us in this life. So Lagnamsa doesn’t show inherited skills etc. , but it shows what we can develop in this life. But, what we want to do is another issue. Paka Lagna shows where our intelligence applied and what we want to do. If these three are linked, life will be bed of roses as, “What we want to do “ in “soul level “ is “available” for us. When these three are not working together, we are confusing and suffering is going on. Perhaps these three may have some relation with three aspects of Agni comes from Simha, Danu and Mesha. Agni in soul level is the highest is Savitur (Simha), manifested God reside in far away. Agni in the level of applied intelligence may be the Indra in mid range (Dhanu). Finally heat which burns our sins may be Rudra in this plane (Aries). I just shared, something I am pondering and looking for the direction from Guru. Thanks and Best Wishes Karu sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sonia Gupta Friday, 10 October 2008 8:19 AM sohamsa RE: swamsa Hare Rama Krishna Dear Thomas, Long time ago I was also struggling to find out the difference and this is what my understanding is. I look forward to any correction in this from learned members. “Swa means Self. So when referring to the native as a person then it’s Lagnamsa, and when checking the native’s achievements or the abilities then Lagnamsa is taken as Swamsa. Now Soul is also self. So when looking for Soul’s desires then referring the Karkamsa as Swamsa.” Best Regards Sonia sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Thomas Joseph Friday, 10 October 2008 4:23 AM sohamsa Re: swamsa Dear Maja, First off all thanks for your reply,from what you have explained if the one says to look the fifth house from swamsa does it mean 5th house from navamsa lagna or atmakaraka lagna if both are in different navamsa house.For eg in my chart i have saturn as the atmakarka and its in virgo navamsa and navamsa lagna is pisces.so which house would be 5th from swamsa. Once again thanks a lot from your reply Regards, Thomas On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Maja ©trbac <majastrbacastro wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Thomas, Namaste Swamsa refers to both Lagna in Navamsa (this is Lagnamsa) and Atma Karak placement in Navamsa (this is Karakamsa). These could be two different bhavas in Navamsa. If AK is on Navamsa Lagna, then only one bhava is Lagnamsa and Karakamsa at the same time. Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj wrote: Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj swamsa sohamsa Thursday, October 9, 2008, 7:32 AM Dear Members, I am a learning member of this group.I find the term swamsa very confusing.Can anyone throw some light on swamsa and how it is found. Regards Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 HARE RAMA KRISHNA, Dear Sonia, No, you are correct. 9th also shows blessing and inherited skills. Perhaps my reasoning are not clear enough. Check Guruji’s comments as well. Please do not go to Agni. That is something I am thinking perhaps I am totally wrong. Do not burnt yourself, like me. Best Wishes Karu sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sonia Gupta Friday, 10 October 2008 3:43 PM sohamsa RE: swamsa Hare Rama Krishna Namaste Karu Ji, Thanks for explaining it so nicely. So far I understood that one of the trines of the Lagnamsa shows the inherited ability and one of the trines shows one which can be developed in time. I get confused with the 5th or the 9th showing the above mentioned ability. I think 9th is the past inherited and 5th as the future abilities. Please correct me if needed. I am having difficulty in understanding the relation of Swamsa and Agni. May be I am not ready yet for this understanding. Thanks and Best Regards Sonia sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Karu Heenkenda Friday, 10 October 2008 10:09 AM sohamsa RE: swamsa HARE RAMA KRISHNA Dear Sonia, Amsa is the portion, perhaps the portion of God, Jeevatma which burns the karma in this plane. It has it’s inherited nature, ability and skills came from past. Which we seen from Atmakaraka in navamsa. So when we deal with this, Karakamsa become Swamsa. What recourses comes from Sun in this life for burn our sins, or accumulate it, is Lagnamsa. Lagnamsa in any varga shows what is available for us in this life. So Lagnamsa doesn’t show inherited skills etc. , but it shows what we can develop in this life. But, what we want to do is another issue. Paka Lagna shows where our intelligence applied and what we want to do. If these three are linked, life will be bed of roses as, “What we want to do “ in “soul level “ is “available” for us. When these three are not working together, we are confusing and suffering is going on. Perhaps these three may have some relation with three aspects of Agni comes from Simha, Danu and Mesha. Agni in soul level is the highest is Savitur (Simha), manifested God reside in far away. Agni in the level of applied intelligence may be the Indra in mid range (Dhanu). Finally heat which burns our sins may be Rudra in this plane (Aries). I just shared, something I am pondering and looking for the direction from Guru. Thanks and Best Wishes Karu sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sonia Gupta Friday, 10 October 2008 8:19 AM sohamsa RE: swamsa Hare Rama Krishna Dear Thomas, Long time ago I was also struggling to find out the difference and this is what my understanding is. I look forward to any correction in this from learned members. “Swa means Self. So when referring to the native as a person then it’s Lagnamsa, and when checking the native’s achievements or the abilities then Lagnamsa is taken as Swamsa. Now Soul is also self. So when looking for Soul’s desires then referring the Karkamsa as Swamsa.” Best Regards Sonia sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Thomas Joseph Friday, 10 October 2008 4:23 AM sohamsa Re: swamsa Dear Maja, First off all thanks for your reply,from what you have explained if the one says to look the fifth house from swamsa does it mean 5th house from navamsa lagna or atmakaraka lagna if both are in different navamsa house.For eg in my chart i have saturn as the atmakarka and its in virgo navamsa and navamsa lagna is pisces.so which house would be 5th from swamsa. Once again thanks a lot from your reply Regards, Thomas On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Maja ©trbac <majastrbacastro wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Thomas, Namaste Swamsa refers to both Lagna in Navamsa (this is Lagnamsa) and Atma Karak placement in Navamsa (this is Karakamsa). These could be two different bhavas in Navamsa. If AK is on Navamsa Lagna, then only one bhava is Lagnamsa and Karakamsa at the same time. Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj wrote: Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj swamsa sohamsa Thursday, October 9, 2008, 7:32 AM Dear Members, I am a learning member of this group.I find the term swamsa very confusing.Can anyone throw some light on swamsa and how it is found. Regards Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Hare Rama Krishna Namaste Sanjay Ji, I am really thankful for the clarification and further logical explanation regarding Swamsa. It’s so encouraging to get some comments from you. Thanks and Best Regards Sonia sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay Rath Friday, 10 October 2008 2:50 PM sohamsa RE: swamsa Dea Sonia Thats so right...you should extebd logic *in exactly similar manner* See the statements you wrote – “Swa means Self. So when referring to the native as a person then it’s Lagnamsa, and when checking the native’s achievements or the abilities then Lagnamsa is taken as Swamsa. Now Soul is also self. So when looking for Soul’s desires then referring the Karkamsa as Swamsa.” ....this is very logical way of doing it “Swa means Self. Self is to be known from the tripod of Soul, Mind and Intelligence ...Sun, Moon and Lagna => AK, Moon, Lag for individual perspective So when referring to the native as a person then it’s Lagnamsa, and when checking the native’s achievements or the abilities then Lagnamsa is taken as Swamsa. Now Soul is also self. So when looking for Soul’s desires then referring the Karkamsa as Swamsa.” ...this is where the logic seems incomplete ---in a similar manner, the bodily existence and experiences of the Soul are to be known from the Karaka Lagna and the its desires and abilities from the Karakamsa although we should bear in mind that the soul is indestructible and hence this fear is missing from it See how the logic of the Lagna is extended to both Rasi and Navamsha position of AK ...and we are required to do this correctly in 3 steps – First from Lagna, then from Moon and then from AK Best Wishes Sanjay Rath sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sonia Gupta 10 October 2008 02:49 sohamsa RE: swamsa Hare Rama Krishna Dear Thomas, Long time ago I was also struggling to find out the difference and this is what my understanding is. I look forward to any correction in this from learned members. “Swa means Self. So when referring to the native as a person then it’s Lagnamsa, and when checking the native’s achievements or the abilities then Lagnamsa is taken as Swamsa. Now Soul is also self. So when looking for Soul’s desires then referring the Karkamsa as Swamsa.” Best Regards Sonia sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Thomas Joseph Friday, 10 October 2008 4:23 AM sohamsa Re: swamsa Dear Maja, First off all thanks for your reply,from what you have explained if the one says to look the fifth house from swamsa does it mean 5th house from navamsa lagna or atmakaraka lagna if both are in different navamsa house.For eg in my chart i have saturn as the atmakarka and its in virgo navamsa and navamsa lagna is pisces.so which house would be 5th from swamsa. Once again thanks a lot from your reply Regards, Thomas On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Maja ©trbac <majastrbacastro wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Thomas, Namaste Swamsa refers to both Lagna in Navamsa (this is Lagnamsa) and Atma Karak placement in Navamsa (this is Karakamsa). These could be two different bhavas in Navamsa. If AK is on Navamsa Lagna, then only one bhava is Lagnamsa and Karakamsa at the same time. Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj wrote: Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj swamsa sohamsa Thursday, October 9, 2008, 7:32 AM Dear Members, I am a learning member of this group.I find the term swamsa very confusing.Can anyone throw some light on swamsa and how it is found. Regards Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Respected members From this thread I understand that the abilities of a native are seen from trines in navamsa. However, if i take alook at my life. I have done my graduation(engineering) in Computer sciences during Me mahadasha and post graduation in Ke Mahadasha in same field. currently I am persuing research in compter science and statistics in a premier institute. In my navamsa I have Ve and Sa in 5th and 9th houses. But I am not a very focused or hard working person. On the other hand I have Ju Ke Su in 10th from lagnamsa(Virgo). I do not consider myself extraordinary at Computer science but i was considered an able student during graduation and am persuing research now. And, certainly it seems to be better than my aptitude for arts(ve). THe things seem to fall in place if we shift the lagnamsa to Libra. In this case Ma also falls in lagnamsa(engineering) but, my mother is pretty confident about the birth time. Can this be cos Sun is the atmakarak placing Ke and Ju in karakamsa. also these planets(in Gemini) aspect the lagna Virgo (rashi drishti)> can this indicate that lagnamsa is Virgo. Or should I consider rectification. Is it possible that my I have a misconception about my abilities. It seems unlikely cos I don't seem to show any talent in arts in spite of Ve in 5th from lagnamsa and conjunct lagna lord in rashi. sohamsa , " Sonia Gupta " <soniagupta wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Namaste Sanjay Ji, > > > > I am really thankful for the clarification and further logical explanation > regarding Swamsa. It's so encouraging to get some comments from you. > > > > Thanks and Best Regards > > Sonia > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Sanjay Rath > Friday, 10 October 2008 2:50 PM > sohamsa > RE: swamsa > > > > Dea Sonia > > Thats so right...you should extebd logic *in exactly similar manner* > > See the statements you wrote - > > " Swa means Self. So when referring to the native as a person then it's > Lagnamsa, and when checking the native's achievements or the abilities then > Lagnamsa is taken as Swamsa. > > Now Soul is also self. So when looking for Soul's desires then referring the > Karkamsa as Swamsa. " > > > > ...this is very logical way of doing it > > " Swa means Self. Self is to be known from the tripod of Soul, Mind and > Intelligence ...Sun, Moon and Lagna => AK, Moon, Lag for individual > perspective > > > > So when referring to the native as a person then it's Lagnamsa, and when > checking the native's achievements or the abilities then Lagnamsa is taken > as Swamsa. > > > > Now Soul is also self. So when looking for Soul's desires then referring the > Karkamsa as Swamsa. " ...this is where the logic seems incomplete > > ---in a similar manner, the bodily existence and experiences of the Soul are > to be known from the Karaka Lagna and the its desires and abilities from the > Karakamsa although we should bear in mind that the soul is indestructible > and hence this fear is missing from it > > See how the logic of the Lagna is extended to both Rasi and Navamsha > position of AK ...and we are required to do this correctly in 3 steps - > > First from Lagna, then from Moon and then from AK > > Best Wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Sonia Gupta > 10 October 2008 02:49 > sohamsa > RE: swamsa > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Thomas, > > > > Long time ago I was also struggling to find out the difference and this is > what my understanding is. I look forward to any correction in this from > learned members. > > > > " Swa means Self. So when referring to the native as a person then it's > Lagnamsa, and when checking the native's achievements or the abilities then > Lagnamsa is taken as Swamsa. > > Now Soul is also self. So when looking for Soul's desires then referring the > Karkamsa as Swamsa. " > > > > Best Regards > > Sonia > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Thomas Joseph > Friday, 10 October 2008 4:23 AM > sohamsa > Re: swamsa > > > > Dear Maja, > > First off all thanks for your reply,from what you have explained if the one > says to look the fifth house from swamsa does it mean 5th house from navamsa > lagna or atmakaraka lagna if both are in different navamsa house.For eg in > my chart i have saturn as the atmakarka and its in virgo navamsa and navamsa > lagna is pisces.so which house would be 5th from swamsa. > > Once again thanks a lot from your reply > > Regards, > Thomas > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Maja ©trbac <majastrbacastro > wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Thomas, Namaste > > > > Swamsa refers to both Lagna in Navamsa (this is Lagnamsa) and Atma Karak > placement in Navamsa (this is Karakamsa). These could be two different > bhavas in Navamsa. If AK is on Navamsa Lagna, then only one bhava is > Lagnamsa and Karakamsa at the same time. > > > > Regards, > > Maja > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj wrote: > > Thomas Joseph <tkj.jmj > swamsa > sohamsa > Thursday, October 9, 2008, 7:32 AM > > > > Dear Members, > > I am a learning member of this group.I find the term swamsa very > confusing.Can anyone throw some light on swamsa and how it is found. > > Regards > Thomas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Respected Sanjay Rath jiDoes this mean the following--Trines from karakamsa indicate abilities. But theses abilities might not be used by the native for material benefits (fame, profession etc.) . So these may remain largely hidden from the society at large. Is Madam Marie curie's chart a perfect example . Moon is the AKShe has no planets in trines to lagnamsa. Ra and Ma are in trines to Moon. She was very dedicated to her work. She even ignored her meals and lost health in her pursuit. Ra and Mars seem to go well with the abstract but logical subject of radioactivity. The AK moon is exalted in taurus(indicating high level of ability). Also in Rashi moon joins the lagnesh Jupiter. (ensuring that the abilities are seen in the society.Moon also joins Ju and Ke in lagna(knowledge and renunciation, abstract thoughts.)Sir, please guide if this analysis is going in the right direction.thanksregardsnamsohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath wrote:>> Dea Sonia> > Thats so right...you should extebd logic *in exactly similar manner*> > See the statements you wrote -> > "Swa means Self. So when referring to the native as a person then it's> Lagnamsa, and when checking the native's achievements or the abilities then> Lagnamsa is taken as Swamsa. > > Now Soul is also self. So when looking for Soul's desires then referring the> Karkamsa as Swamsa."> > > > ...this is very logical way of doing it> > "Swa means Self. Self is to be known from the tripod of Soul, Mind and> Intelligence ...Sun, Moon and Lagna => AK, Moon, Lag for individual> perspective> > > > So when referring to the native as a person then it's Lagnamsa, and when> checking the native's achievements or the abilities then Lagnamsa is taken> as Swamsa. > > > > Now Soul is also self. So when looking for Soul's desires then referring the> Karkamsa as Swamsa." ...this is where the logic seems incomplete> > ---in a similar manner, the bodily existence and experiences of the Soul are> to be known from the Karaka Lagna and the its desires and abilities from the> Karakamsa although we should bear in mind that the soul is indestructible> and hence this fear is missing from it> > See how the logic of the Lagna is extended to both Rasi and Navamsha> position of AK ...and we are required to do this correctly in 3 steps -> > First from Lagna, then from Moon and then from AK> > Best Wishes> > Sanjay Rath> > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> Sonia Gupta> 10 October 2008 02:49> sohamsa > RE: swamsa> > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > > Dear Thomas,> > > > Long time ago I was also struggling to find out the difference and this is> what my understanding is. I look forward to any correction in this from> learned members.> > > > "Swa means Self. So when referring to the native as a person then it's> Lagnamsa, and when checking the native's achievements or the abilities then> Lagnamsa is taken as Swamsa. > > Now Soul is also self. So when looking for Soul's desires then referring the> Karkamsa as Swamsa."> > > > Best Regards> > Sonia> > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> Thomas Joseph> Friday, 10 October 2008 4:23 AM> sohamsa > Re: swamsa> > > > Dear Maja,> > First off all thanks for your reply,from what you have explained if the one> says to look the fifth house from swamsa does it mean 5th house from navamsa> lagna or atmakaraka lagna if both are in different navamsa house.For eg in> my chart i have saturn as the atmakarka and its in virgo navamsa and navamsa> lagna is pisces.so which house would be 5th from swamsa.> > Once again thanks a lot from your reply> > Regards,> Thomas> > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Maja ©trbac majastrbacastro wrote:> > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Dear Thomas, Namaste> > > > Swamsa refers to both Lagna in Navamsa (this is Lagnamsa) and Atma Karak> placement in Navamsa (this is Karakamsa). These could be two different> bhavas in Navamsa. If AK is on Navamsa Lagna, then only one bhava is> Lagnamsa and Karakamsa at the same time.> > > > Regards,> > Maja> > > > Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Thomas Joseph tkj.jmj wrote:> > Thomas Joseph tkj.jmj swamsa> sohamsa > Thursday, October 9, 2008, 7:32 AM> > > > Dear Members,> > I am a learning member of this group.I find the term swamsa very> confusing.Can anyone throw some light on swamsa and how it is found.> > Regards> Thomas> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Karakamsa is cancer and Lagnamsa is leo. Is there any connection between it to qualify as Swamsa? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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