Guest guest Posted September 24, 1999 Report Share Posted September 24, 1999 Jai Jai Shri Jagannath Om Ganeshaya Namah Dear Gauranga Ji, Venus causes desire. Saturn, a cold planet, causes delay and Ketu, an infra-red planet, causes destruction/demolision. To form a perfect Tapaswi Yoga all these three planets should be conjunct or be in mutual aspect (only Rashi Drishti as Graha Drishti would only indicate the desire to be a Tapaswi) for the fructification of this Yoga and it will fructify during the periods/sub-periods of these planets. One has to shun all desires and renounce the world of maya to become a perfect Sanyasi (Tapaswi). Venus gives the Tapobal (inner strength for tapasya) and Saturn and Ketu act as the annihilators of the desires caused by Venus. How can a Tapaswi be born unless the desires are renunciated. Hence, the conjunction or aspect of all these three planets is a must for formation of a perfect Tapaswi Yoga. Minus Venus the other two planets (Saturn and Ketu) only form a yoga for a cheat in the garb of a sanyasi. What are the other three planets along with Mercury in the 12th? Are Venus, Saturn and Ketu there? Anyway, four planets in a house indicates PRAVRAJYA YOGA, which is the opposite of Rajya Yoga. The person renunciates during the period(s) of the planets involved in this yoga. However, there are riders which break the Pravrajya Yoga. Eg., any planet combust in this combination of four planets breaks the Pravrajya Yoga. More of these could be discussed later. Regards, Sarat Gauranga Das <gauranga Varahamihira <varahamihira > Friday, September 24, 1999 10:23 AM Tapaswi Yoga >---------- >> 1999. szeptember 22. 11:16:23 >> Sanjay Rath >> Varahamihira >> Re: Gnati/jnati karaka >> >> JAYA JAGANNATH >> Dear YND, >> Ketu alone cannot give the Tapaswi Yoga. All three of saturn, venus and >> Ketu are required for a good tapaswi. If only Saturn and Ketu are there, >> then the person will only wear the garb of a tapaswi and will not be >> sincere. Thus Venus gives sincerity, whether it be a love affair or love for >> God & Moksha (Venus+Ketu) or love for austerities (Venus+Saturn). The person >> is genuine. (Jaimini Sutra). >> Hare Rama Krishna >> Sanjay Rath > >JAYA JAGANNATHA! > >Dear Sanjay Prabhu, > >Pranams. > >Could you please elaborate on the principles behind this Tapaswi Yoga? In other words what positions of Saturn, Venus and Ketu will give Tapaswi Yoga and what effect does this give? You also mentioned me having one. I couldn't really find it as per Parashara's descriptions. Could You halp me in this and explain how is it formed, what will be the effects and when will they manifest? >My wife has got four planets in her 12th house, including Saturn. The greatest longitude is of Mercury is this a Tapaswi Yoga? > >Your shishya, > >Gauranga das > > >------ > >eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 1999 Report Share Posted September 24, 1999 Jai Jai Shri Jagannath Om Ganeshaya Namah Dear Gauranga, >She's got Saturn, Sun, Mercury and Venus in the 12th house, but Saturn is combust. The upcoming Mahadashas are Moon, Mars and Rahu. So it's not really going to manifest in her life, is it? > Four planets do give rise for Pravrajya otherwise how is it that she is also involved with ISKCON (which I think she too is as I gather from your mails). But Saturn being combust will break the Pravrajya during its period (may be for sometime). Regarding your chart, I am sorry I have not kept it. However, I will do so soon after you send me the details. In any case, my blind faith in Sanjayji tells me that if he has seen your chart and said something then IT IS THE FINAL WORD OF AUTHORITY. HIS KNOWLEDGE CANNOT BE CHALLENGED. His must have studied it in finer detail and only then must have told you. HE SPEAKS LESS BUT WHEN HE DOES HE DOES SO WITH AUTHORITY AND AUTHENTICITY. Regards, Sarat. Gauranga Das <gauranga Varahamihira <varahamihira > Friday, September 24, 1999 3:17 PM Re: Tapaswi Yoga >---------- >> Jai Jai Shri Jagannath >> Om Ganeshaya Namah >> >> Dear Gauranga Ji, >> >> Venus causes desire. Saturn, a cold planet, causes delay and Ketu, an >> infra-red planet, causes destruction/demolision. To form a perfect Tapaswi >> Yoga all these three planets should be conjunct or be in mutual aspect (only >> Rashi Drishti as Graha Drishti would only indicate the desire to be a >> Tapaswi) for the fructification of this Yoga and it will fructify during the >> periods/sub-periods of these planets. One has to shun all desires and >> renounce the world of maya to become a perfect Sanyasi (Tapaswi). Venus >> gives the Tapobal (inner strength for tapasya) and Saturn and Ketu act as >> the annihilators of the desires caused by Venus. How can a Tapaswi be born >> unless the desires are renunciated. Hence, the conjunction or aspect of all >> these three planets is a must for formation of a perfect Tapaswi Yoga. >> Minus Venus the other two planets (Saturn and Ketu) only form a yoga for a >> cheat in the garb of a sanyasi. >> >> What are the other three planets along with Mercury in the 12th? Are Venus, >> Saturn and Ketu there? Anyway, four planets in a house indicates PRAVRAJYA >> YOGA, which is the opposite of Rajya Yoga. The person renunciates during >> the period(s) of the planets involved in this yoga. However, there are >> riders which break the Pravrajya Yoga. Eg., any planet combust in this >> combination of four planets breaks the Pravrajya Yoga. More of these could >> be discussed later. > >> >> Regards, >> Sarat > >Dear Sarat, > >Namaskar. > >She's got Saturn, Sun, Mercury and Venus in the 12th house, but Saturn is combust. The upcoming Mahadashas are Moon, Mars and Rahu. So it's not really going to manifest in her life, is it? > >I've checked the rule given by you in my chart, but there's no such combination neither in Rasi nor Navamsha chart. How come than that Sanjay Prabhu still said that I had one. You must have my and my wife's birth data because I have posted them in previous day's discussions, so you might be able to check this. > >Yours, Gauranga das > > > >------ > >eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 1999 Report Share Posted September 24, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Sarat & Gauranga, ONE HARD QUESTION: Is tapasya itself a cause of desire? Is Moksha a desire in itself? If yes, then tapaswi Yoga is a desire and a desire for seeing God with these human eyes. The discussion was on tapaswi yoga which somebody had asked to clarify (I think YND or somebody else). Anyway, the truth is that every jyotish is a tapaswi to some extent or the other. Hare Rama Krishna Sanjay Rath - Gauranga Das <gauranga Varahamihira <varahamihira > Saturday, September 25, 1999 12:08 AM Re: Tapaswi Yoga > ---------- > > Jai Jai Shri Jagannath > > Om Ganeshaya Namah > > > > Dear Gauranga Ji, > > > > Venus causes desire. Saturn, a cold planet, causes delay and Ketu, an > > infra-red planet, causes destruction/demolision. To form a perfect Tapaswi > > Yoga all these three planets should be conjunct or be in mutual aspect (only > > Rashi Drishti as Graha Drishti would only indicate the desire to be a > > Tapaswi) for the fructification of this Yoga and it will fructify during the > > periods/sub-periods of these planets. One has to shun all desires and > > renounce the world of maya to become a perfect Sanyasi (Tapaswi). Venus > > gives the Tapobal (inner strength for tapasya) and Saturn and Ketu act as > > the annihilators of the desires caused by Venus. How can a Tapaswi be born > > unless the desires are renunciated. Hence, the conjunction or aspect of all > > these three planets is a must for formation of a perfect Tapaswi Yoga. > > Minus Venus the other two planets (Saturn and Ketu) only form a yoga for a > > cheat in the garb of a sanyasi. > > > > What are the other three planets along with Mercury in the 12th? Are Venus, > > Saturn and Ketu there? Anyway, four planets in a house indicates PRAVRAJYA > > YOGA, which is the opposite of Rajya Yoga. The person renunciates during > > the period(s) of the planets involved in this yoga. However, there are > > riders which break the Pravrajya Yoga. Eg., any planet combust in this > > combination of four planets breaks the Pravrajya Yoga. More of these could > > be discussed later. > > > > > Regards, > > Sarat > > Dear Sarat, > > Namaskar. > > She's got Saturn, Sun, Mercury and Venus in the 12th house, but Saturn is combust. The upcoming Mahadashas are Moon, Mars and Rahu. So it's not really going to manifest in her life, is it? > > I've checked the rule given by you in my chart, but there's no such combination neither in Rasi nor Navamsha chart. How come than that Sanjay Prabhu still said that I had one. You must have my and my wife's birth data because I have posted them in previous day's discussions, so you might be able to check this. > > Yours, Gauranga das > > > > ------ > > eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 1999 Report Share Posted September 24, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Gauranga, There is a lot of difference between Pravrajya Yoga , Tapaswi Yoga or Daridra Yoga etc. Each yoga is very peculiar and has a specific meaning. If four or more planets conjoin in a sign in a kendra then Pravrajya Yoga results. The person does not desire Rajya and renounces this world. If one of these four planets is in Swakshetra, Moolatrikona etc, then the Pravrajya Yoga will also transform into a Mahapurusha Yoga where the native has great achievements in Yoga etc. If these planets (Four or more) are in dusthana, then although the person is spiritual, there will not be any Pravrajya. Tapaswi Yoga is different and has already been explained earlier. Anybody can be a Tapaswi..there must be a strong desire to give up everything else to achive the objective of this birth or some specific objective. this objective become NARAYANA for the person and he/she cannot see anything else other than this objective. Hare Krishna Sanjay Rath - Gauranga Das <gauranga Varahamihira <varahamihira > Friday, September 24, 1999 4:34 AM Tapaswi Yoga > ---------- > > 1999. szeptember 22. 11:16:23 > > Sanjay Rath > > Varahamihira > > Re: Gnati/jnati karaka > > > > JAYA JAGANNATH > > Dear YND, > > Ketu alone cannot give the Tapaswi Yoga. All three of saturn, venus and > > Ketu are required for a good tapaswi. If only Saturn and Ketu are there, > > then the person will only wear the garb of a tapaswi and will not be > > sincere. Thus Venus gives sincerity, whether it be a love affair or love for > > God & Moksha (Venus+Ketu) or love for austerities (Venus+Saturn). The person > > is genuine. (Jaimini Sutra). > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Sanjay Rath > > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Sanjay Prabhu, > > Pranams. > > Could you please elaborate on the principles behind this Tapaswi Yoga? In other words what positions of Saturn, Venus and Ketu will give Tapaswi Yoga and what effect does this give? You also mentioned me having one. I couldn't really find it as per Parashara's descriptions. Could You halp me in this and explain how is it formed, what will be the effects and when will they manifest? > My wife has got four planets in her 12th house, including Saturn. The greatest longitude is of Mercury is this a Tapaswi Yoga? > > Your shishya, > > Gauranga das > > > ------ > > eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 1999 Report Share Posted September 25, 1999 Namaste Sarat, > Venus causes desire. Saturn, a cold planet, causes delay and Ketu, an > > infra-red planet, causes destruction/demolision. To form a perfect > Tapaswi Ketu gives an urge to delve deep into the secrets of this universe. He also gives moksha. Saturn gives hard work and discipline, very important qualities in tapas. Venusian passion does wonders to a disciplined spiritual person. > Yoga all these three planets should be conjunct or be in mutual aspect > (only > Rashi Drishti as Graha Drishti would only indicate the desire to be a > Tapaswi) for the fructification of this Yoga and it will fructify > during the > periods/sub-periods of these planets. One has to shun all desires and > > renounce the world of maya to become a perfect Sanyasi (Tapaswi). > Venus > gives the Tapobal (inner strength for tapasya) and Saturn and Ketu act > as > the annihilators of the desires caused by Venus. Sanyasi and tapaswi are different words with different meanings. Tapasvi yoga need not produce a " Sanyasi " . It can produce a person who can ignore all matters (including bodily comforts) and single-mindedly focus on a particular matter. Tapas (tapasya) need not be for moksha. A king can do tapas to become the emperor of the whole world. A jyotishi can do tapas to get perfect knowledge. Tapas is just a single-minded and focussed effort that usually takes place at the cost of (i.e. after sacrificing) daily, routine and normal matters. As an example, my rasi chart has Venus and Saturn in 8th (Aries). Venus and Saturn have an aspect with Ketu, who is in 12th (Leo). So I have this yoga. Moreover, Saturn and Ketu are in Venusian constellations and Venus is in a Ketu constellation. This nakshatra parivartana makes it stronger. However, I am not a sanyasi and I don't foresee my becoming a sanyasi (I have Mercury, Venus, Saturn and Mars in Aries in 8th house. See another mail from Sanjay on 4 planets in a house). I may, however, be able to single-mindedly focus all my energies on a task and achieve it. > How can a Tapaswi be born > unless the desires are renunciated. Hence, the conjunction or aspect > of all > these three planets is a must for formation of a perfect Tapaswi Yoga. > > Minus Venus the other two planets (Saturn and Ketu) only form a yoga > for a > cheat in the garb of a sanyasi. Dear Sarat, try not to use strong words! I am talking about " cheat " above. Things are never black & white in astrology. There may be a genuine tapasvi out there with Saturn and Ketu without Venusian aspect. If there is one, you are committing a mistake by calling him a " cheat " . May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 1999 Report Share Posted September 25, 1999 Jai Jai Shri Jagannath Om Ganeshaya Namah Dear Narasimha ji, Namaskar! Thank you very much for correcting me. This fine tuning is very essential. I now realize the great importance for learning Sanskrit in a very proper and traditional manner as I tend lose the multiple and some times very subtle meanings of the words, which can be very misleading. We have all been taught a few things and that has formed a mind-set that needs to be changed. I also promise not to use strong words, though it was not the intention really. Restraint on usage of words, I think, comes more out of deeper learning and practice in writing (replies), which, I am now learning on this site. I must thank Sanjay ji, yourself and all others - above all Jagannath ji who has considered me fit to learn and participate in such discussions. I am sure the parampara (Sanjay ji's) to which we all belong will help me in this aspect as well. I must thank you once again for correcting me and also cautioning me where required as I need these for my own refinement and finetuning. Hare Krishna, Regards, Sarat. Narasimha Rao <pvr varahamihira <varahamihira > Saturday, September 25, 1999 9:16 AM Re: Tapaswi Yoga >Namaste Sarat, > >> Venus causes desire. Saturn, a cold planet, causes delay and Ketu, an >> >> infra-red planet, causes destruction/demolision. To form a perfect >> Tapaswi > >Ketu gives an urge to delve deep into the secrets of this universe. He >also gives moksha. Saturn gives hard work and discipline, very important >qualities in tapas. Venusian passion does wonders to a disciplined >spiritual person. > >> Yoga all these three planets should be conjunct or be in mutual aspect >> (only >> Rashi Drishti as Graha Drishti would only indicate the desire to be a >> Tapaswi) for the fructification of this Yoga and it will fructify >> during the >> periods/sub-periods of these planets. One has to shun all desires and >> >> renounce the world of maya to become a perfect Sanyasi (Tapaswi). >> Venus >> gives the Tapobal (inner strength for tapasya) and Saturn and Ketu act >> as >> the annihilators of the desires caused by Venus. > >Sanyasi and tapaswi are different words with different meanings. Tapasvi >yoga need not produce a " Sanyasi " . It can produce a person who can >ignore all matters (including bodily comforts) and single-mindedly focus >on a particular matter. > >Tapas (tapasya) need not be for moksha. A king can do tapas to become >the emperor of the whole world. A jyotishi can do tapas to get perfect >knowledge. Tapas is just a single-minded and focussed effort that >usually takes place at the cost of (i.e. after sacrificing) daily, >routine and normal matters. > >As an example, my rasi chart has Venus and Saturn in 8th (Aries). Venus >and Saturn have an aspect with Ketu, who is in 12th (Leo). So I have >this yoga. > >Moreover, Saturn and Ketu are in Venusian constellations and Venus is in >a Ketu constellation. This nakshatra parivartana makes it stronger. > >However, I am not a sanyasi and I don't foresee my becoming a sanyasi (I >have Mercury, Venus, Saturn and Mars in Aries in 8th house. See another >mail from Sanjay on 4 planets in a house). I may, however, be able to >single-mindedly focus all my energies on a task and achieve it. > >> How can a Tapaswi be born >> unless the desires are renunciated. Hence, the conjunction or aspect >> of all >> these three planets is a must for formation of a perfect Tapaswi Yoga. >> >> Minus Venus the other two planets (Saturn and Ketu) only form a yoga >> for a >> cheat in the garb of a sanyasi. > >Dear Sarat, try not to use strong words! I am talking about " cheat " >above. > >Things are never black & white in astrology. There may be a genuine >tapasvi out there with Saturn and Ketu without Venusian aspect. If there >is one, you are committing a mistake by calling him a " cheat " . > >May Jupiter's light shine on us, >Narasimha > > > >------ > >eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 1999 Report Share Posted September 25, 1999 Jai Jai Shri Jagannath Om Ganeshaya Namah Dear Sanjayji, Gurupranams! Quite true. Tapasya itself is a desire and it could be for anything - may be to see God, may be to achieve something, may be to seek a boon etc. The meanings/difference of the words " Tapasya " " Sanyasi " etc., is even more clear now after having read the mails from you as well as from Narasimha ji. Thorough, or at least good, knowledge of Sanskrit is very important to catch even the subtle meanings of words. What a mind-set we have gotten into with the influence of " Phirangi " (a harsh word though) languages in schools and at homes! We have completely lost track of our own rich languages & culture - Sanskrit, Hindi and the local. I now realize your emphasis in the class on the need to learn Sanskrit more seriously. Had we done so I may have been even clearer in explaining. Hare Krishna, Regards, Sarat. Sanjay Rath <varahamihira varahamihira <varahamihira > Friday, September 24, 1999 11:46 PM Re: Tapaswi Yoga >JAYA JAGANNATH >Dear Sarat & Gauranga, > ONE HARD QUESTION: > Is tapasya itself a cause of desire? Is Moksha a desire in itself? If >yes, then tapaswi Yoga is a desire and a desire for seeing God with these >human eyes. The discussion was on tapaswi yoga which somebody had asked to >clarify (I think YND or somebody else). > Anyway, the truth is that every jyotish is a tapaswi to some extent or >the other. >Hare Rama Krishna >Sanjay Rath >- >Gauranga Das <gauranga >Varahamihira <varahamihira > >Saturday, September 25, 1999 12:08 AM > Re: Tapaswi Yoga > > >> ---------- >> > Jai Jai Shri Jagannath >> > Om Ganeshaya Namah >> > >> > Dear Gauranga Ji, >> > >> > Venus causes desire. Saturn, a cold planet, causes delay and Ketu, an >> > infra-red planet, causes destruction/demolision. To form a perfect >Tapaswi >> > Yoga all these three planets should be conjunct or be in mutual aspect >(only >> > Rashi Drishti as Graha Drishti would only indicate the desire to be a >> > Tapaswi) for the fructification of this Yoga and it will fructify during >the >> > periods/sub-periods of these planets. One has to shun all desires and >> > renounce the world of maya to become a perfect Sanyasi (Tapaswi). Venus >> > gives the Tapobal (inner strength for tapasya) and Saturn and Ketu act >as >> > the annihilators of the desires caused by Venus. How can a Tapaswi be >born >> > unless the desires are renunciated. Hence, the conjunction or aspect of >all >> > these three planets is a must for formation of a perfect Tapaswi Yoga. >> > Minus Venus the other two planets (Saturn and Ketu) only form a yoga for >a >> > cheat in the garb of a sanyasi. >> > >> > What are the other three planets along with Mercury in the 12th? Are >Venus, >> > Saturn and Ketu there? Anyway, four planets in a house indicates >PRAVRAJYA >> > YOGA, which is the opposite of Rajya Yoga. The person renunciates >during >> > the period(s) of the planets involved in this yoga. However, there are >> > riders which break the Pravrajya Yoga. Eg., any planet combust in this >> > combination of four planets breaks the Pravrajya Yoga. More of these >could >> > be discussed later. >> >> > >> > Regards, >> > Sarat >> >> Dear Sarat, >> >> Namaskar. >> >> She's got Saturn, Sun, Mercury and Venus in the 12th house, but Saturn is >combust. The upcoming Mahadashas are Moon, Mars and Rahu. So it's not really >going to manifest in her life, is it? >> >> I've checked the rule given by you in my chart, but there's no such >combination neither in Rasi nor Navamsha chart. How come than that Sanjay >Prabhu still said that I had one. You must have my and my wife's birth data >because I have posted them in previous day's discussions, so you might be >able to check this. >> >> Yours, Gauranga das >> >> >> >> ------ >> >> eGroups.com home: varahamihira >> - Simplifying group communications >> >> >> >> > > >------ > >eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 1999 Report Share Posted September 27, 1999 Jai Jai Shri Jagannath Om Ganeshaya Namah Dear Gauranga ji, Thanks for the details. I will also study the chart and let you know. I said so only because Sanjay ji, with his vast knowledge and devotion, is able to see much more than what we can even comprehend. We have many miles to travel before we reach even a part of the perfection that Sanjay ji has. I will come back to you very soon on this. Regards, Sarat. Gauranga Das <gauranga Varahamihira <varahamihira > Monday, September 27, 1999 12:54 AM Re: Tapaswi Yoga >---------- >> Jai Jai Shri Jagannath >> Om Ganeshaya Namah >> >> Dear Gauranga, >> >> >She's got Saturn, Sun, Mercury and Venus in the 12th house, but Saturn is >> combust. The upcoming Mahadashas are Moon, Mars and Rahu. So it's not really >> going to manifest in her life, is it? >> > >> >> Four planets do give rise for Pravrajya otherwise how is it that she is also >> involved with ISKCON (which I think she too is as I gather from your mails). >> But Saturn being combust will break the Pravrajya during its period (may be >> for sometime). > >Yes, she is a devotee. > >> >> Regarding your chart, I am sorry I have not kept it. However, I will do so >> soon after you send me the details. In any case, my blind faith in Sanjayji >> tells me that if he has seen your chart and said something then IT IS THE >> FINAL WORD OF AUTHORITY. HIS KNOWLEDGE CANNOT BE CHALLENGED. His must have >> studied it in finer detail and only then must have told you. HE SPEAKS LESS >> BUT WHEN HE DOES HE DOES SO WITH AUTHORITY AND AUTHENTICITY. > >I accept this totally. I just want to see how it is shown in my chart for example to learn from it. My biodata again: 1971.1.9 19.40 CET, Budapest (19E04, 47N30). >Thank you. > >Yours, > >Gauranga das > > >------ > >eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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