[Jagannath] [Fwd: NR virus /enlightenment]]

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Om Jaya Jaya Jagannatha Namamyaham

Dear Sarajit,

Thank you for your words. I shall never leave you all. This was meant

for the other public forum where Narasimha shall be more active from now on

instead of me. I have promises to keep and miles to go before I sleep....

Om Tat Sat

Blessings of Mahaprabhu

Sanjay Rath

-

Sarajit Poddar <sarajit

<varahamihira >

Monday, January 03, 2000 12:21 AM

[Jagannath] Re: [ [Fwd: [vedic astrology] NR virus /enlightenment]]

 

 

> Dear Gurudev,

>

> We need a GURU like you for enlightenment in a devine subject like

Jyotisha.

> We cannot afford to lose you. I can understand the pain you must be having

due

> to the action of one of the list members in the other list

(Vedic-astrology

> list). Please dont think that you can be a burden to us. You are like god

sent

> messanger. Please shed any thought of going away from us. We really need

your

> guidance.

>

> Pranaam

> Sarajit

>

> Anyway, I am finishing here and this will be my last mail for some

> time...I guess I need to meditate. I thought that people were benefitting

by

> my company and my sharing of knowledge, but if I am becoming a burden,

then

> I must go. This is the way of the world. Forgive me if I have hurt you or

> Raghu. Narasimha is my Sisya and he wrote this program at my behest and my

> request for the benefit of all astrologers, especially those who cannot

> afford the same.

>

> Om Tat Sat

> Best Wishes

> Sanjay Rath

> >

> > -------

> > [vedic astrology] Re: NR virus /enlightenment

> > Sat, 01 Jan 2000 15:45:35 +0200

> > Tapani <veda

> > vedic astrology

> > vedic astrology

> > References: <01BF53BB.D3254C90

> >

> > Nimmi Ragavan wrote: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 18:21:12 -0000

> >

> > My dear Nimmi

> >

> > > I see no reason to suggest that enlightenment is the exclusive

preserve

> of one individual or group. It would defeat the purpose and create the

same

> kind of centralised religion that has been treated more as a 'must join'

> club.

> >

> > No problem.

> >

> > In the case of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and his movement the

> > evidences are important. So many TM meditators have reached the

> > level of enlightened consciousness. This is the first time in the

> > history of mankind that it can be done by a systematic way -

> > again and again a new meditator gets enlightenment. The most

> > important point is that the meditator who wants to get

> > enlightenment he has to do TM sidhi program regularly every day

> > for many years.

> >

> > > And by implication putting down Narasimha's chosen guru is very rude

and

> condescending and not even the sign of enlightenment.

> >

> > There are Gurus and gurus. The Gurus are enlightened and

> > enlightenment does not depend on if he belongs to any group or

> > not. The gurus are those who are better called consultants or

> > advisors or jyotishis or vaidyas or something.

> >

> > We have many gurus also in my country. In the west it is just a

> > normal phenomenon to say that a good expert is a guru. But they

> > are not enlightened.

> >

> > I am aware of Sanjay Rath's skill and willing to work for the

> > better world, but he is not enlightened. Of course he has his

> > freedom to accept if someone calls him guru. My understanding is

> > that if I choose a non-enlightened person to be my Guru, he does

> > not have any possibility to teach or guide me to enlightenment.

> >

> > This is so simple question to solve by a practical way. Sanjay

> > Rath, if you read this, please tell me are you enlightened? I

> > mean are you witnessing your activity 24 hours in every day? As

> > sleeping are you always aware that right now I am seeing a dream

> > when you are in the state of dream? As sleeping another part of

> > sleep, deep sleep, that a sleeper is not normally aware about,

> > are you always aware that right now I am in deep sleep?

> >

> > > Personally, I think Narasimha is doing pretty well as it is, and I

don't

> see the need to assume that there is this need to join up with any

> particular group.

> >

> > Group. When many people meditates regularly in a group it makes

> > their development faster.

> >

> > > This is not a tradition in India, as many sishyas have done very well

> with guru's who are not even heard of outside in the rest of the world.

> >

> > Of course this is possible. But another question is what does

> > mean " have done very well with guru's ... " ? If their followers

> > do not get enlightenment they have not done well. I am aware that

> > there are many fascinating gurus in India but I am also aware

> > that so many of them, even if they work seriously, cannot guide

> > anyone to enlightenment.

> >

> > The most of those systems are corrupted over the centuries.

> >

> > ----------

> >

> > I tell you a story. When I was a beginning meditator, 20-25 years

> > ago, my feeling was so great that I started to believe that this

> > is enlightenment. I was very lucky that we had TM teachers who

> > told me that we did not have any enlightened person in my

> > country.

> >

> > Dear Nimmi, whenever you meet a " guru " , please check it

> > immediately if he is enlightened or not.

> >

> > There are many in India who are living in constant samadhi.

> >

> > Even if one is not enlightened he can be a go(o)d human people.

> >

> > Jyotish mati pragya should be the goal of every jyotishi. Jyotish

> > mati pragya means all knowingness.

> >

> > Thank you for your good observation.

> >

> > JaiGuruDev

> > Tapani

> >

> >

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