Guest guest Posted May 17, 2000 Report Share Posted May 17, 2000 Dear Zoran and other jyotisha, From your example, I would use the Ketu rulership of 9th house Scorpio. Ketu is stronger than Mars as it is with two planets and Mars is alone. (even if Sun is there) Ketu is a female offspring and it is in a female sign. I still have a couple of questions from Sanjay ji's example: Case Study no. 2 In rasi shouldn't the fifth lord be not debilitated Mars but the stronger Ketu in Capricorn? You say " 5th lord in debility gains seven amsas. " Ketu gains seven amsas but is not debilitated. Then in saptamsa you say 9th lord Jupiter conjoins debilitated Rahu, so Rahu is in Sagittarius. But if the nodes are in Cancer-Capricorn there would not be a female factor in the 9th house. So perhaps they are, also in rashi. Sat Nam, Sat Siri Zoran Radosavljevic wrote: > Dear Sanjayji, > This is very important lesson, thank you! > I still have a few questions, after having examined your books. > You cleared that the 1.st child is determined from the 5.house > in male's satpamsa > and 9.th house in female's saptamsa.What about odd/even sign rising? > > If odd sign is rising in saptamsa, the count is regular. But if an even > sign is rising in saptamsa > don't we look 9.house(reverse count)for the first child of a > male, and 5.house(9.place) > in the case of female(reverse count)? Please clear this doubt! > A friend of mine who was born in India Bombay, in 1971, whose birth > time is very correct, > has a Pisces Lagna rising saptamsa. Both 5.house lords and 9.house lords > indicate first male > child, and he has a female child.Chandra lord of the 5.house is in > 6.house in Leo(alone) and > mars,lord of the 9.house is in 10.house(saggitarius).There were no > pregnencies before the child > birth. THere are two possible situatuions: > 1.If we look at the 9.house(pisces lagna -even sign) then mars as a > lord of 9.house(reverse) > count would be in saggitarius(male ) without any other > planets.However, there is rahu in scorpio(neecha) > in 9.house that could give a female?! > 2. There is Parivartan yoga between lagnesh and lord of 3.house. Lagna > is pisces with exalted venus, and > guru is with ketu in 3.house.Both are in even signs, which doesn't > change the order of counting. Since there > is parivartan yoga, could we count pregnancies from Paka Lagna(guru)?In > case we count from Paka Lagna, > taurus reverse count, than we get capricorn in 9.house(the first > child) with saturn in it,that could give female. > Fifth house from taurus(paka lagna) in regular count is virgo, whose > lord is mercury in libra(son). > SO the only solution in first pregnancy(female)I can see in either > taking into account a planet in 9.house as > stated under1. or counting from paka lagnesh(guru) due to a parivartan > yoga, as stated under 2. > It is a Male chart, and the birthtime is very accurate! Could you help > with this please? > Yours, > Zoran > > > 4.1For a male nativity, the first child is determined by the lord of > > the 5th house from Saptamsa Lagna, whereas for a female nativity, the > > first child is determined from the lord of the 9th house from Saptamsa > > Lagna. > > > > > > ------ > Free, easy email groups PLUS > great features like calendars and storage files > All at eGroups for you today. Go to > http://click./1/3939/7/_/2192/_/958562371/ > ------ > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2000 Report Share Posted May 18, 2000 Dear Sat Siri, Thank you for drawing my attention to this. In the chart I mentioned,the solid explanation for a daughter birth could be ketu,who is indeed stronger than mars. Ketu is in conjunction with guru, that would normaly give the son birth, however ketu (female ) would be debilitated in taurus, thus a feminine influence predominates, having in mind what Sanjay said that the lord exalted/debilitated predominates conjunciton. Actually, can we take taurus/scorpio as rahu/ketu places of exaltation/debilitation in determing the sex of a child? With best regards, Zoran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2000 Report Share Posted May 18, 2000 4.6 Timing the birth of Children (a) Birth, of children takes place during the dasa of planets having Argala on Saptamsa Lagnesh. (b) Individual children are predicted during the antardasa of the lord of the child, its depositor or the lords of the 3rd/8th from the Lagna (as mentioned earlier). Jaya Jaya Jagannatha Namasthe Gurudeva Sanjay, The above given 3rd/8th, actually 3rd and 8th or 5th and 8th? Hare Krishna Your Sishya Karu In case of a conflict between the indications of the saptamsa of expectant father and mother, the results should be predicted from the male horoscope(This rule has also been proved by genetics wherein it is an established fact that the sex chromosomes are only determined by the male) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2000 Report Share Posted June 1, 2000 Dear Sat Siri Kaur, Thank you for your reply. Well the confusion arouse, due to 9.house lord ketu(stronger) is placed in taurus in conjunction with Jupiter, male. Sanjay suggested to give preference to conjunction to signs. So the confusion. Also in the concerned saptamsa, there is parivarthan of lagnesh with venus, so this might hold the key. If we take 9.house from paka lagna in saptamsha, then 9.house(reverse count) will hold saturn in makara, giving a female child. Lagna in daughter's chart is kumba with saturn in lagna. I wanted to know whether this procedure is allowed? Thanks, Zoran > Dear Zoran, > sorry to be slow repying to you. I would not think Rahu/Ketu should be > exalted in Taurus/Scorpio for this purpose because these exaltations are for > Ayur matters, longevity, whereas gender would be under phalita matters, > where Gemini/Sagittarius would apply. For your example chart it is probably > enough that ketu and Guru are in a feminine sign, plus--i forget, but maybe > Guru also is dispositor of another feminine planet--not a necessity, but > adds to the feminine influence? > Be well, > Sat Siri Kaur > > Zoran Radosavljevic wrote: > > > Dear Sat Siri, > > Thank you for drawing my attention to this. > > In the chart I mentioned,the solid explanation for > > a daughter birth could be ketu,who is indeed > > stronger than mars. Ketu is in conjunction with guru, > > that would normaly give the son birth, however ketu > > (female ) would be debilitated in taurus, thus a feminine > > influence predominates, having in mind what Sanjay said > > that the lord exalted/debilitated predominates conjunciton. > > Actually, can we take taurus/scorpio as rahu/ketu places > > of exaltation/debilitation in determing the sex of a child? > > With best regards, > > Zoran > > > > ------ > > eGroups is MORE than email groups > > Check out our great features like calendars, storage files, > > group polls and more at: > > http://click./1/3940/7/_/2192/_/958613267/ > > ------ > > > > OM TAT SAT > > Archive: varahamihira > > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > ------ > Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. > http://click./1/4634/7/_/2192/_/959878046/ > ------ > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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