Guest guest Posted August 10, 2000 Report Share Posted August 10, 2000 AUM SRI GURUVE NAMAH Dear Jyotish! I would like to share one experience on the prejudice of jyotish. Before that i shall give some background about my studies. I am studying human resource Management in XLRI, jamshedpur (India). it hapened in one of the " selection " class. The prof. was telling about the validity of various recruitment process. He showed one slide which contained the comparision between the validity of the different selection/recruitment procedure. It was written there that the researches showed that the validity of Astrology, Palmistry and Graphology is 0% (you cannot prdictthe nature and expected behaviour of the candidate in work situation from Astrology or the allied subjects) where structured interview had the figure 63% and Assessment center had 68%. I felt that to be contradictory and Biased. I promptly asked the source of the data so that I would have tried to refute the author of the sourse. He said tha he gathered all from different research papers. I couldn't put forward my point emphatically as i am not too conversant with how to find different personality traits with the help of astrology. Please can anyone help me understanding how so see personality traits with the help of astrology. I know the general result of planets on the ascendant and the Moon sign. I want to go deeper in to the subject. How can we do psychoanalysis of a person. I will give a brief writeup on different personality traits measuring questionnaire developed by different research scholars which are found to be quite valid and reliable. But still I think the result can be biased because there is big difference between what one perceives one to be and what one is. the result may show what a person perceive him to be and not what he is. i think astrology can be more reliable than anything else. Can we find out how these specific personality traits can be found from Horoscope. Pranaam All Sarajit __________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2000 Report Share Posted August 10, 2000 I have consistently found that sun in the 10th house gives management abilities. I have tested this out with managers where I work, my brothers, friends etc. This may be something that would be fairly easy to test as this would imply birth around mid day. If you do a survey of management and find that a significant number are born around mid day as compared to a control group, that could be a good test. Nimmi - Sarajit Poddar <sarajit <varahamihira > Thursday, August 10, 2000 6:18 PM [sri Guru] Personality Traits and Astrology > > > AUM SRI GURUVE NAMAH > Dear Jyotish! > > I would like to share one experience on the prejudice of jyotish. Before that > i shall give some background about my studies. I am studying human resource > Management in XLRI, jamshedpur (India). it hapened in one of the " selection " > class. The prof. was telling about the validity of various recruitment > process. He showed one slide which contained the comparision between the > validity of the different selection/recruitment procedure. It was written > there that the researches showed that the validity of Astrology, Palmistry and > Graphology is 0% (you cannot prdictthe nature and expected behaviour of the > candidate in work situation from Astrology or the allied subjects) where > structured interview had the figure 63% and Assessment center had 68%. I felt > that to be contradictory and Biased. I promptly asked the source of the data > so that I would have tried to refute the author of the sourse. He said tha he > gathered all from different research papers. I couldn't put forward my point > emphatically as i am not too conversant with how to find different personality > traits with the help of astrology. Please can anyone help me understanding how > so see personality traits with the help of astrology. I know the general > result of planets on the ascendant and the Moon sign. I want to go deeper in > to the subject. How can we do psychoanalysis of a person. > > I will give a brief writeup on different personality traits measuring > questionnaire developed by different research scholars which are found to be > quite valid and reliable. But still I think the result can be biased because > there is big difference between what one perceives one to be and what one is. > the result may show what a person perceive him to be and not what he is. i > think astrology can be more reliable than anything else. Can we find out how > these specific personality traits can be found from Horoscope. > > Pranaam All > Sarajit > > > > > __________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2000 Report Share Posted August 11, 2000 Dear Sarajit, It is questionable how valid the professor's conclusions are, if he cannot cite the sources for his conclusions. I wouldn't give much credibility to that kind of research. The research papers he referred to may have reached their conclusions just based on sun signs. An intelligent and honest researcher would go deeper, as opposed to superficial investigation based on sun signs and lookup tables. Anyway, whenever I look at statistics of that sort, I ask, how was the experiment conducted, and how was the data collected. Why should we trust the results if we do not know how they were arrived at? PVR Narasimha Rao has an article which deals with some of these issues. He uses Nakshatramsa (D-27) to find out the strengths and weaknesses of an individual. We already know about arudha pada vs. lagna when judging appearances vs. reality from the many examples discussed on this list. I personally feel that there is little to be gained from trying to convince people about the validity of astrology. The fact that a person is biased against astrology itself indicates that that person has not based his/her conclusions on personal investigation/experience, but is following a popular pseudo-scientific school of thought (if you can call it that). regards, Krishna. Sarajit Poddar wrote: > > AUM SRI GURUVE NAMAH > Dear Jyotish! > > I would like to share one experience on the prejudice of jyotish. Before that > i shall give some background about my studies. I am studying human resource > Management in XLRI, jamshedpur (India). it hapened in one of the " selection " > class. The prof. was telling about the validity of various recruitment > process. He showed one slide which contained the comparision between the > validity of the different selection/recruitment procedure. It was written > there that the researches showed that the validity of Astrology, Palmistry and > Graphology is 0% (you cannot prdictthe nature and expected behaviour of the > candidate in work situation from Astrology or the allied subjects) where > structured interview had the figure 63% and Assessment center had 68%. I felt > that to be contradictory and Biased. I promptly asked the source of the data > so that I would have tried to refute the author of the sourse. He said tha he > gathered all from different research papers. I couldn't put forward my point > emphatically as i am not too conversant with how to find different personality > traits with the help of astrology. Please can anyone help me understanding how > so see personality traits with the help of astrology. I know the general > result of planets on the ascendant and the Moon sign. I want to go deeper in > to the subject. How can we do psychoanalysis of a person. > > I will give a brief writeup on different personality traits measuring > questionnaire developed by different research scholars which are found to be > quite valid and reliable. But still I think the result can be biased because > there is big difference between what one perceives one to be and what one is. > the result may show what a person perceive him to be and not what he is. i > think astrology can be more reliable than anything else. Can we find out how > these specific personality traits can be found from Horoscope. > > Pranaam All > Sarajit > > __________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2000 Report Share Posted August 11, 2000 In a message dated 8/11/00 2:34:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, krishna writes: << Dear Sarajit, It is questionable how valid the professor's conclusions are, if he cannot cite the sources for his conclusions. I wouldn't give much credibility to that kind of research. The research papers he referred to may have reached their conclusions just based on sun signs. An intelligent and honest researcher would go deeper, as opposed to superficial investigation based on sun signs and lookup tables. Anyway, whenever I look at statistics of that sort, I ask, how was the experiment conducted, and how was the data collected. Why should we trust the results if we do not know how they were arrived at? >> Years ago a team of scientists, the Gaugelian's (sp) set out to prove that astrology was bogus. By utilizing scientific methods they ended up convincing themselves of the validity of astrology. Their research has been published and involved planets on the angles. They used the charts of famous people in all walks of life and found certain similarities. I think the American Federation of Astrologers AFA published their work. yours in Jagannath's seva, Kusha devi dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2000 Report Share Posted August 14, 2000 In a message dated 8/10/2000 1:19:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sarajit writes: > Please can anyone help me understanding how > so see personality traits with the help of astrology. I know the general > result of planets on the ascendant and the Moon sign. I want to go deeper in > to the subject. How can we do psychoanalysis of a person. > > I will give a brief writeup on different personality traits measuring > questionnaire developed by different research scholars which are found to be > quite valid and reliable. But still I think the result can be biased because > there is big difference between what one perceives one to be and what one is. > > the result may show what a person perceive him to be and not what he is. i > think astrology can be more reliable than anything else. Can we find out how > these specific personality traits can be found from Horoscope. > > Pranaam All > Sarajit HARE RAMA KRISHNA Namaste Sarajit, This is the essence of astrology and an integral part of the art of prediction. There is no one feature in a chart that can be isolated to describe the personality, although as you already know, the lagna and the Moon have a good deal to do with the nature of a human being and the type of behavior or reaction one can expect to a given environment. Let us assume that many malefics influence those two critical parameters in a chart. Then we may expect the person to have an unpleasant personality, be self centered and distrustful of others, etc. He will have difficulty with human contact, be fearful or overly domineering and abusive and on it goes. The particular reaction depends on the nature of the planets involved. However, it is a little more complicated than that. If the natural malefics become functional benefics and form excellent Raj yogas, then he rise very high in the work of business or technology and may be a great leader. For a complete analysis, there are so many factors to be examined. The appropriate varga charts must always be taken into account to predict the behavior/event in any given period. The key here is that to fully understand the psychology of a human being we must be able to predict the circumstances and events that are to manifest in his life. If there is anger and frustration in his nature, and the dasa promises difficulty in his career because of inability to relate to superiors, then the anger and frustration may manifest towards his boss and he may feel that his boss is an obstacle to his success. His boss and co-workers may be perceived as enemies and I don't know of any other system that can give this kind of information, especially with precise timing. If an individual is going through a difficult period of life, say an unfavorable dasa and antaradasa, then the negative traits are bound to manifest in full. In a good dasa, the person will be more positive and amenable to his fellow human beings. Such is the fickleness and self-centeredness of the human mind. We become happy when the gold flows and unhappy when we are faced with challenge. In both situation, we need to resort to the teachings of the Gita to fully understand our ephemeral life. > It was written there that the researches showed that the validity of Astrology, > Palmistry and Graphology is 0% (you cannot prdictthe nature and expected > behaviour of the candidate in work situation from Astrology or the allied subjects) > where structured interview had the figure 63% and Assessment center had 68%. You and I have no doubt that such statements are biased and unscientific and have no reflection on the science of astrology. The above statement may be based on Sun sign astrology for all we know. You can definately predict the nature and expected behavior of an employee in a work situation. I have a chart of a client who suffers from manic depression and is extremely cunning, especially towards her employer. She has caused her employers endless and needless expense in law suits because of her mental state. She did not win but she knows the law and they cannot get rid of her and have to treat her with dignity for fear of further law suits. On it goes. The capacity of astrology to help employers and employees to understand each other is extremely powerful and astrologers will be in great demand the day that American businesses begin to understand this. There is also the potential for misuse and this is another conversation. In summary then, I say that you have to study the predictive system of astrology in order to be able to determine the psychological life of a human being. It cannot be based on simple factors. Our psychological attitude is related to our karmic destiny as well as our capacity to relate to ourselves and others. It also indicates our spiritual heritage and a spiritual soul is always well balanced and does not seek the fruit of his actions. Astrology is excellent at describing the events related to work situations and hence the psychological attitude. Best Regards, Brendan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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