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Dear Narasimha,

On 7/16/05, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:

 

 

There is no real physical star at the beginning of Aswini.

 

Yea, I'd heard that too, but I was wondering if there's a reference to a point in the sky for 0 Aries, even if it's in reference to another star.

 

 

Instead, with Lahiri/Chitrapaksha ayanamsa, we get Spica star in the middle of Chitra nakshatra (i.e. at 180 deg).

 

Agree. And R H Allen, in his 1899 " Star Names.... " , also points to Spica.

 

With Sanjay unleashing arda nadiamsa, we've narrowed down to 6' minutes of an arc, which is 40% of the physical angles subtended by the Sun and Moon. The implications of calculations based on an ayanamsha that's even a breath off are quite clear to see.

 

 

 

And while on this, I'd love to have your take on the matter of whether every star is equally wide? Swee was adamant that it has to be, and did provide some definitive quotes on (from Narada Purana?). My confusion stems from seemingly contradictory statements in BPHS and Brihat Jataka. While Varahamihira (Chapter 1, Sloka 19) suggests different measures, BPHS (Chapter 3, Slokas 4-6) suggests equal-division rasis. Since I was reading off his grandpa's work on Brihat Jataka, I checked out with Suprajarama and he opined that Varahamihira's differing figures needn't necessarily be presumed as measures of time.

 

 

Views from you and the other astrologers here would be most welcome. And I hope this doesn't inadvertently set off a flaming pitch here.

 

Respects,

 

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

 

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Dear Ramapriya,

 

> With Sanjay unleashing arda nadiamsa, we've narrowed down to 6' minutes of > an arc, which is 40% of the physical angles subtended by the Sun and Moon. > The implications of calculations based on an ayanamsha that's even a breath > off are quite clear to see.

 

For heaven's sake, don't have high expectations.

 

Sanjay humbly accepted: "What is proposed here is a part of my research to understand and decode the näòi literature. It may not be very meaningful at this stage but it is hoped, will pave the way for future generations for researching the näòi literature."

 

We should not forget that his teachings on ardha-nadyamsa are quite experimental and highly fallible.

 

When we don't quite know how to compute something and how to use it and trying to deduce both from a handful of examples, it will take many many iterations to get it right. The process must be started and I am glad Sanjay did, but it is a good idea to realize that it is just the first attempt.

 

I have several genuine concerns regarding the latest teachings of Sanjay.

 

For starters, the order of ardha nadi lordships "proposed" in the three groups of signs is just a proposal and there is nothing conclusive about it. It could easily be wrong. In fact, I will not at all be surprised if Sanjay was correct 3 years back and wrong now.

 

Second of all, Sanjay seems to have strangely switched from non-uniform nadis based on shodasa varga borders to easy-to-compute uniform nadis recently. God knows if this is correct.

 

This work is speculative in nature and we are not at all in a position to fix the ayanamsa based on this.

 

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 7/17/05, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:

 

 

This work is speculative in nature and we are not at all in a position to fix the ayanamsa based on this.

 

 

Dear Narasimha,

 

I was implying the other way around; get a handle on the correctness of the ayanamsha first, then get to this :o)

Respects,

 

Ramapriya

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Dear Ramapriya,

 

Just for the background: The only input I can provide on this is that when Sanjayji presented the paper in Novi Sad, he began by saying that there were two ways to calculate ardha nadimasa. One was uniform and the other had the 16 varga mapped into it. He explained the ways to calculate them and the philosophy behind them and then said he will begin with the uniform one. Hence the calculator was made by a student immediately based on this. In fact, the lecture was basically on the janma vighati graha as there was one hour for him to speak on this topic, so he could not even begin on ardha nadiamsa graha properly.

 

Best regards,

 

Sarbani

 

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Dear Sarbani,

 

I wouldn't dare contradict something I've no knowledge of. And I didn't say anything either for or against the ardha nadiamsa thing.

 

My uneducated concern, and this is the reason I've not seriously looked into Sanjay's paper yet, is that the ayanamsha matter is not so conclusively bedded yet (I hear grunts already) so as to assume its correctness beyond all doubt. I've no better ayanamsha alternative to offer myself, either. That said, I've found fascinatingly correct event-relationships in my own chart when I've chosen 1-1-34 behind Lahiri, going by the last coincidence of the equinox and zodiac as having occurred on 24th Feb 366 (let me first get all papers to establish this and then we can possibly have a discussion on that here), but I've not begun to use it full-fledged yet; lots more searching warranted.

 

 

Narasimha rightly mentioned the assumption of Spica as what Lahiri has chosen to represent the center of Chitra. You'll find that Ptolemy and other Babylonians used Spica too, though they think it's in the 30th degree of Virgo (Ptolemy states that it's in the 28th degree, but it's generally accepted that he flunked his precession math).

 

 

To add to the confusion is that astronomers have begun discovering that stars ere thought to be immoving are now not so stationary after all. Did you know that serious navigators don't now use the Pole Star as true North? Willa can probably confirm/deny that.

 

 

My skimpy grasp of astronomy is scary sometimes. How I wish I was someone like Swee or Sanjay :o)

 

Respects,

 

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

 

On 7/17/05, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote:

 

Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

 

Dear Ramapriya,

 

Just for the background: The only input I can provide on this is that when Sanjayji presented the paper in Novi Sad, he began by saying that there were two ways to calculate ardha nadimasa. One was uniform and the other had the 16 varga mapped into it. He explained the ways to calculate them and the philosophy behind them and then said he will begin with the uniform one. Hence the calculator was made by a student immediately based on this. In fact, the lecture was basically on the janma vighati graha as there was one hour for him to speak on this topic, so he could not even begin on ardha nadiamsa graha properly.

 

Best regards,

 

Sarbani

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Dear Ramapriya,

24th Feb 366 AD is exactly that start point of Krushnas Ayanamsa.

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

jyotisa , Ramapriya D <ayirpamar@g...> wrote:

> Dear Sarbani,

> I wouldn't dare contradict something I've no knowledge of. And I

didn't say

> anything either for or against the ardha nadiamsa thing.

> My uneducated concern, and this is the reason I've not seriously

looked

> into Sanjay's paper yet, is that the ayanamsha matter is not so

conclusively

> bedded yet (I hear grunts already) so as to assume its correctness

beyond

> all doubt. I've no better ayanamsha alternative to offer myself,

either.

> That said, I've found fascinatingly correct event-relationships in

my own

> chart when I've chosen 1-1-34 behind Lahiri, going by the last

coincidence

> of the equinox and zodiac as having occurred on 24th Feb 366 (let

me first

> get all papers to establish this and then we can possibly have a

discussion

> on that here), but I've not begun to use it full-fledged yet; lots

more

> searching warranted.

> Narasimha rightly mentioned the assumption of Spica as what

Lahiri has

> chosen to represent the center of Chitra. You'll find that Ptolemy

and other

> Babylonians used Spica too, though they think it's in the 30th

degree of

> Virgo (Ptolemy states that it's in the 28th degree, but it's

generally

> accepted that he flunked his precession math).

> To add to the confusion is that astronomers have begun

discovering that

> stars ere thought to be immoving are now not so stationary after

all. Did

> you know that serious navigators don't now use the Pole Star as

true North?

> Willa can probably confirm/deny that.

> My skimpy grasp of astronomy is scary sometimes. How I wish I was

someone

> like Swee or Sanjay *:o)*

> Respects,

> Ramapriya

> ayirpamar@g...

> On 7/17/05, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote:

> >

> > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

> > Dear Ramapriya,

> > Just for the background: The only input I can provide on this

is that

> > when Sanjayji presented the paper in Novi Sad, he began by

saying that there

> > were two ways to calculate ardha nadimasa. One was uniform and

the other had

> > the 16 varga mapped into it. He explained the ways to calculate

them and the

> > philosophy behind them and then said he will begin with the

uniform one.

> > Hence the calculator was made by a student immediately based on

this. In

> > fact, the lecture was basically on the janma vighati graha as

there was one

> > hour for him to speak on this topic, so he could not even begin

on ardha

> > nadiamsa graha properly.

> > Best regards,

> > Sarbani

> >

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My bro in India says he met up someone who mentioned the date. I'd generally asked him to keep his eyes peeled on astronomical references that could point to this. Though astrology doesn't much appeal to him, he was avid in astronomy when he was a kid, and generally understands constellation stuff better than I do :o)

 

 

I also vaguely remember Subash Kak having mentioned this date somewhere; I'll probably ask him.

 

Respects,

 

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

On 7/17/05, ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

What made u come to 24th Feb 366 AD. Out of curiosity ?

jyotisa , Ramapriya D <ayirpamar@g...> wrote:> Good heavens, just how many ayanamshas do the rounds anyways? :o)> Any else you know of?> Respects,> Ramapriya

 

 

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Very Interesting Ramapriya. I will appreciate it a lot if you can

find out from your brother. This ayanamsa my teacher J.K Kalani (we

also call him Krushnaji) brought forward who teach a system of

prediction through Ashtakavarga and who resides at Satara. Details

about him are given on the website.

In his Guru Shri Brij Gopal Shastrijis hand written books which he

possessed the planetary placement on the day the split occured was

given over the city of Kashi. Krushnaji computed the dates and

found the date to be 24th Feb 366 AD.

This ayanamsa has been used by Krushnaji and his Gurus lineage maybe

for centuries.

We have termed this value as Krushnas Ayanamsa.

hmm Very interesting indeed.

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

jyotisa , Ramapriya D <ayirpamar@g...> wrote:

> My bro in India says he met up someone who mentioned the date. I'd

generally

> asked him to keep his eyes peeled on astronomical references that

could

> point to this. Though astrology doesn't much appeal to him, he was

avid in

> astronomy when he was a kid, and generally understands

constellation stuff

> better than I do :o)

> I also vaguely remember Subash Kak having mentioned this date

somewhere;

> I'll probably ask him.

> Respects,

> Ramapriya

> ayirpamar@g...

>

> On 7/17/05, ashsam73 <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> >

> > What made u come to 24th Feb 366 AD. Out of curiosity ?

> >

> > jyotisa , Ramapriya D <ayirpamar@g...>

wrote:

> > > Good heavens, just how many ayanamshas do the rounds

anyways? :o)

> > > Any else you know of?

> > > Respects,

> > > Ramapriya

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Curiouser and curiouser. Hey, you can make life easier for us all too... can you scan and post 'em papers here?

 

Not that it'll be any more definitive than Lahiri's but I'm sure it'll provoke thought. There are droves here more knowledgeable in all this than you and I, so it can hardly hurt.

 

Respects,

 

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

On 7/17/05, ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote:

Very Interesting Ramapriya. I will appreciate it a lot if you can find out from your brother. This ayanamsa my teacher J.K Kalani (we also call him Krushnaji) brought forward who teach a system of prediction through Ashtakavarga and who resides at Satara. Details about him are given on the website. In his Guru Shri Brij Gopal Shastrijis hand written books which he possessed the planetary placement on the day the split occured was given over the city of Kashi. Krushnaji computed the dates and found the date to be 24th Feb 366 AD.This ayanamsa has been used by Krushnaji and his Gurus lineage maybe for centuries.We have termed this value as Krushnas Ayanamsa.hmm Very interesting indeed. Cheers !!!Ash

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Sure thing.

 

For those interested can go to

 

http://krushna.sageasita.com/

 

On the right hand side there are lessons given (Krushnas Lessons).

 

You can download all the lesson if one wants to or for those

interested only in Ayanamsa the Lesson number is 6.

 

The documents are all in pdf format which can be downloaded.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

jyotisa , Ramapriya D <ayirpamar@g...> wrote:

> Curiouser and curiouser. Hey, you can make life easier for us all

too... can

> you scan and post 'em papers here?

> Not that it'll be any more definitive than Lahiri's but I'm sure

it'll

> provoke thought. There are droves here more knowledgeable in all

this than

> you and I, so it can hardly hurt.

> Respects,

> Ramapriya

> ayirpamar@g...

>

> On 7/17/05, ashsam73 <ashsam73@h...> wrote:

> >

> > Very Interesting Ramapriya. I will appreciate it a lot if you

can

> > find out from your brother. This ayanamsa my teacher J.K Kalani

(we

> > also call him Krushnaji) brought forward who teach a system of

> > prediction through Ashtakavarga and who resides at Satara.

Details

> > about him are given on the website.

> > In his Guru Shri Brij Gopal Shastrijis hand written books which

he

> > possessed the planetary placement on the day the split occured

was

> > given over the city of Kashi. Krushnaji computed the dates and

> > found the date to be 24th Feb 366 AD.

> > This ayanamsa has been used by Krushnaji and his Gurus lineage

maybe

> > for centuries.

> > We have termed this value as Krushnas Ayanamsa.

> > hmm Very interesting indeed.

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

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Dear Ramapriya

I though the Saprarishi did move at a very slow pace of a 100 *rishi years* per star. Not trying to figure that out right now.

With best wishes and warm regards,

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jyotisa [jyotisa ] On Behalf Of Ramapriya DSunday, July 17, 2005 1:49 PMjyotisa Subject: Re: Re: Ayanamsa Issue

 

Dear Sarbani,

 

I wouldn't dare contradict something I've no knowledge of. And I didn't say anything either for or against the ardha nadiamsa thing.

 

My uneducated concern, and this is the reason I've not seriously looked into Sanjay's paper yet, is that the ayanamsha matter is not so conclusively bedded yet (I hear grunts already) so as to assume its correctness beyond all doubt. I've no better ayanamsha alternative to offer myself, either. That said, I've found fascinatingly correct event-relationships in my own chart when I've chosen 1-1-34 behind Lahiri, going by the last coincidence of the equinox and zodiac as having occurred on 24th Feb 366 (let me first get all papers to establish this and then we can possibly have a discussion on that here), but I've not begun to use it full-fledged yet; lots more searching warranted.

 

Narasimha rightly mentioned the assumption of Spica as what Lahiri has chosen to represent the center of Chitra. You'll find that Ptolemy and other Babylonians used Spica too, though they think it's in the 30th degree of Virgo (Ptolemy states that it's in the 28th degree, but it's generally accepted that he flunked his precession math).

 

To add to the confusion is that astronomers have begun discovering that stars ere thought to be immoving are now not so stationary after all. Did you know that serious navigators don't now use the Pole Star as true North? Willa can probably confirm/deny that.

 

My skimpy grasp of astronomy is scary sometimes. How I wish I was someone like Swee or Sanjay :o)

 

Respects,

 

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

 

On 7/17/05, Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote:

Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

 

Dear Ramapriya,

 

Just for the background: The only input I can provide on this is that when Sanjayji presented the paper in Novi Sad, he began by saying that there were two ways to calculate ardha nadimasa. One was uniform and the other had the 16 varga mapped into it. He explained the ways to calculate them and the philosophy behind them and then said he will begin with the uniform one. Hence the calculator was made by a student immediately based on this. In fact, the lecture was basically on the janma vighati graha as there was one hour for him to speak on this topic, so he could not even begin on ardha nadiamsa graha properly.

 

Best regards,

 

Sarbani

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Dear Chi.Narasimha,

When one starts his Sadhana througha competent Guru, after a definite count of Japas,the Sadhaka will see Lord Ganapathy in his dream and this was my experience in 1991 and I told this to my Guru and he was very happy and told me that your Siddhi Devatha is now set in Mooladhara Chakra.

So now I feel that Ketu represents the deity Lord Ganaptyy and so Mooladhara Chakra will be starting in Mula Nakshatra whose ruler is Ketu.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao."Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:

 

Namaste Ramapriya,

 

> And are you aware of any classical reference that gives a particular point > in the sky that's regarded as the commencement of Aswini?

 

There is no real physical star at the beginning of Aswini.

 

Instead, with Lahiri/Chitrapaksha ayanamsa, we get Spica star in the middle of Chitra nakshatra (i.e. at 180 deg).

 

In recent years, Sri Chandra Hari did some good work and he placed Lambda Scorpionis star at the beginning of Moola nakshatra and came up with his own ayanamsa ("Chandra Hari ayanamsa"). His logic is based on some tantric tradition and he refers to Mooladhara chakra.

 

Mooladhara chakra is the basis of one's existence. More than Sahasrara chakra (1st house - head), it is the Mooladhara chakra (7th house) that needs to be fixed as the basis. I am inclined to agree with him on that. But I don't agree with identifying Moola nakshatra as the Mooladhara chakra.

 

Sahasrara chakra of Kalapurusha (natural zodiac) is at 0Ar0 (or closeby). Mooladhara chakra of the Kalapurusha is at 0Li0. The upper chakras are on one side and the lower chakras are on the other side.

 

Thus, fixing the zodiac based on the 180 degree point as the Calendar committee did is quite logical.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

 

 

 

 

 

 

Narasimha

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