Food+Drinking Habits PART-1 (Hot Tea & Mars) - To Partha

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Partha,

 

I meant so called addictions to intelligent things like chess and

astrology. Sorry for the typo.

 

> so called intelligent addictions to Chess and

> astrology.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

>

>

> --- " V.Partha sarathy " <partvinu@g...> wrote:

>

> > Dear All

> >

> > I have resisted to post on this thread all along.

> > But today some

> > points i would like to share.

> >

> > My lagna lord Jupiter is with Ketu and aspected by

> > rahu ofcourse and

> > Saturn. I have Gulika in 2nd and Mandi in third

> > house.

> > You may visit the site for the

> > pictorial representation

> > of my chart.

> > The details are as follows

> > December 15, 1976

> > Time:-8:27 AM

> > Place:-new Delhi

> >

> > I have always hated smoking. I used to clench my

> > fists, and cringe

> > when somebody smoked in front of me. I was so

> > paranoid that i thought

> > that all smokers are bad(during childhood ofcourse).

> > So I am still trying to understand despite having

> > saturn in 8th is

> > that why i dont have " any sort " of addictions.

> > Forget smoke, i hate

> > boozers, i dont even drink tea or coffee. One cup

> > tea comes in the

> > evening in office and that is what i drink. But no

> > addictions of any

> > sort.

> >

> > From another angle, i had addiction for Chess. I

> > used to play 12

> > hours daily to become a national player. But i

> > couldnot.

> > Then i was addicted to watching cricket. Which came

> > down in recent

> > years. I was also addicted to download astrology

> > articles. After

> > collecting classics, articles worth a library, i

> > destroyed them one

> > fine day.

> >

> > love and best wishes

> > partha

> >

> >

> > sohamsa , " Guru Sanjay Rath "

> > <guruji@s...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

> > >

> > > Dear Narasimha

> > > Ketu is the smoke and that is what I said. I never

> > said that Ketu

> > is the

> > > karaka for smoking. Ketu shows the item being

> > inhaled. Its Rasa is

> > to be

> > > seen from the planets affecting Ketu.

> > >

> > > Smoking is an addiction caused by nicotine going

> > into the blood

> > (Moon) and

> > > thereby afecting the blood. This is ruled by a

> > weakness in the chat

> > > indicated by Saturn. The addiction of smoking

> > comes from Saturn and

> > the item

> > > being inhaled is indicated by Ketu. If the item

> > through which the

> > addiction

> > > is coming is jala tatwa then it can show

> > alcoholism while a Rahu

> > indication

> > > indicates dangerous drugs and psychotropic

> > substances.

> > >

> > > A single planet in a stand alone situation cannot

> > indicate the

> > addiction. If

> > > Ketu aspects the lagna then it shows that *smoke*

> > has something to

> > do with

> > > your likes and dislikes and has a strong impact on

> > you. If Saturn

> > is showing

> > > an addiction then you enjoy the addiction of

> > smoking while if

> > Saturn is

> > > positive then you hate smoking.

> > >

> > > Take the charts ofRema and Voja to understand

> > this. Let them post

> > the charts

> > > and I will show the difference were Ketu has a

> > strong connection to

> > lagna

> > > and Saturn will then determine love (addiction!)

> > or hate.

> > >

> > > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > > * * *

> > > Sri Jagannath CenterR

> > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> > > New Delhi 110060, India

> > > <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com,

> > +91-11-25717162

> > > * * *

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > sohamsa

> > [sohamsa ] On

> > Behalf Of

> > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > Saturday, September 10, 2005 12:27 PM

> > > sohamsa

> > > Re: Food+Drinking Habits PART-1

> > (Hot Tea &

> > Mars) - To

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Hari,

> > >

> > > > I also dont care why Sanjay smokes, period. I

> > responded to the

> > question

> > > > 'Why does Sanjay smoke inspite of knowing the

> > vedas etc?'. Here

> > the

> > > > inference was that a person very learned in the

> > vedas would not

> > be having

> > > > any vice.

> > >

> > > We should only discuss the astrological aspects

> > and try to stay

> > away from

> > > morality issues. If somebody brings up morality

> > issues, he/she

> > deserves to

> > > be ignored.

> > >

> > > All of us have vice. Flaws of some people show up

> > prominently (e.g.

> > smoking,

> > > alcoholism etc). Flaws of some people are hidden

> > inside and not

> > visible

> > > externally.

> > >

> > > All of us are slaves to the six internal enemies

> > (kaama/desire,

> > > krodha/anger, lobha/greed, moha/delusion,

> > mada/wantonness,

> > > matsarya/jealosy). These internal enemies, which

> > afflict us at the

> > > impulse/instinct level, are much more important to

> > conquer than

> > simple

> > > external habits such as smoking and alcoholism.

> > >

> > > Just because we don't have certain habits, we

> > should not consider

> > ourselves

> > > worthy of commenting on other people's habits.

> > Instead, we should

> > try to

> > > conquer our own internal enemies.

> > >

> > > > In BPHS, both Rahu and Ketu are described as

> > smoky. The typical

> > > temperature

> > > > profile of a cigarette varies from 700 degrees

> > celsius at the hot

> > end of

> > > the

> > > > cigarette to 50~70 degrees celsius of the smoke

> > entering the

> > mouth. Thus

> > > the

> > > > smoke inhaled by the smoker has some amount of

> > heat depending on

> > the

> > > > specific heat capacity of the gas mixture and

> > Ketu (infrared

> > heat) as an

> > > > higher octave of Mars describes this smoke in my

> > opinion.

> > >

> > > If Rahu and Ketu are described as " smoky " , it does

> > not make them

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lakshmi garu

 

That is all Ok. But paka lagna has ketu and there was a discussion

that some kind of smoke figures in the consciousness of the person.

I have neecha Ketu in Arudha lagna in navamsa, and has rasi drishti

over lagna. This was another point that Sanjayji raised. Aspect of

ketu. Now we all know that ketu cannot have aspects, and hence he was

clearly referring to the rasi dristhi of his ketu over the lagna both

in rasi and navamsa.

I am not sure if Smoke figures for me in any way. Infact every day

when i am driving(26 Kilometers up and down) in the busiest traffic

of the world , getting stuck for long time, inhaling gases emitted by

the various vehicles, i feel that Sanjayji may be after all right.

That smoke figures for me in day to day life.

best wishes

partha

 

sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

<b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Partha,

>

> I meant so called addictions to intelligent things like chess and

> astrology. Sorry for the typo.

>

> > so called intelligent addictions to Chess and

> > astrology.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

> >

> >

> > --- " V.Partha sarathy " <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear All

> > >

> > > I have resisted to post on this thread all along.

> > > But today some

> > > points i would like to share.

> > >

> > > My lagna lord Jupiter is with Ketu and aspected by

> > > rahu ofcourse and

> > > Saturn. I have Gulika in 2nd and Mandi in third

> > > house.

> > > You may visit the site for the

> > > pictorial representation

> > > of my chart.

> > > The details are as follows

> > > December 15, 1976

> > > Time:-8:27 AM

> > > Place:-new Delhi

> > >

> > > I have always hated smoking. I used to clench my

> > > fists, and cringe

> > > when somebody smoked in front of me. I was so

> > > paranoid that i thought

> > > that all smokers are bad(during childhood ofcourse).

> > > So I am still trying to understand despite having

> > > saturn in 8th is

> > > that why i dont have " any sort " of addictions.

> > > Forget smoke, i hate

> > > boozers, i dont even drink tea or coffee. One cup

> > > tea comes in the

> > > evening in office and that is what i drink. But no

> > > addictions of any

> > > sort.

> > >

> > > From another angle, i had addiction for Chess. I

> > > used to play 12

> > > hours daily to become a national player. But i

> > > couldnot.

> > > Then i was addicted to watching cricket. Which came

> > > down in recent

> > > years. I was also addicted to download astrology

> > > articles. After

> > > collecting classics, articles worth a library, i

> > > destroyed them one

> > > fine day.

> > >

> > > love and best wishes

> > > partha

> > >

> > >

> > > sohamsa , " Guru Sanjay Rath "

> > > <guruji@s...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

> > > >

> > > > Dear Narasimha

> > > > Ketu is the smoke and that is what I said. I never

> > > said that Ketu

> > > is the

> > > > karaka for smoking. Ketu shows the item being

> > > inhaled. Its Rasa is

> > > to be

> > > > seen from the planets affecting Ketu.

> > > >

> > > > Smoking is an addiction caused by nicotine going

> > > into the blood

> > > (Moon) and

> > > > thereby afecting the blood. This is ruled by a

> > > weakness in the chat

> > > > indicated by Saturn. The addiction of smoking

> > > comes from Saturn and

> > > the item

> > > > being inhaled is indicated by Ketu. If the item

> > > through which the

> > > addiction

> > > > is coming is jala tatwa then it can show

> > > alcoholism while a Rahu

> > > indication

> > > > indicates dangerous drugs and psychotropic

> > > substances.

> > > >

> > > > A single planet in a stand alone situation cannot

> > > indicate the

> > > addiction. If

> > > > Ketu aspects the lagna then it shows that *smoke*

> > > has something to

> > > do with

> > > > your likes and dislikes and has a strong impact on

> > > you. If Saturn

> > > is showing

> > > > an addiction then you enjoy the addiction of

> > > smoking while if

> > > Saturn is

> > > > positive then you hate smoking.

> > > >

> > > > Take the charts ofRema and Voja to understand

> > > this. Let them post

> > > the charts

> > > > and I will show the difference were Ketu has a

> > > strong connection to

> > > lagna

> > > > and Saturn will then determine love (addiction!)

> > > or hate.

> > > >

> > > > With best wishes and warm regards,

> > > > Sanjay Rath

> > > > * * *

> > > > Sri Jagannath CenterR

> > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> > > > New Delhi 110060, India

> > > > <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com,

> > > +91-11-25717162

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa

> > > [sohamsa ] On

> > > Behalf Of

> > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > Saturday, September 10, 2005 12:27 PM

> > > > sohamsa

> > > > Re: Food+Drinking Habits PART-1

> > > (Hot Tea &

> > > Mars) - To

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Hari,

> > > >

> > > > > I also dont care why Sanjay smokes, period. I

> > > responded to the

> > > question

> > > > > 'Why does Sanjay smoke inspite of knowing the

> > > vedas etc?'. Here

> > > the

> > > > > inference was that a person very learned in the

> > > vedas would not

> > > be having

> > > > > any vice.

> > > >

> > > > We should only discuss the astrological aspects

> > > and try to stay

> > > away from

> > > > morality issues. If somebody brings up morality

> > > issues, he/she

> > > deserves to

> > > > be ignored.

> > > >

> > > > All of us have vice. Flaws of some people show up

> > > prominently (e.g.

> > > smoking,

> > > > alcoholism etc). Flaws of some people are hidden

> > > inside and not

> > > visible

> > > > externally.

> > > >

> > > > All of us are slaves to the six internal enemies

> > > (kaama/desire,

> > > > krodha/anger, lobha/greed, moha/delusion,

> > > mada/wantonness,

> > > > matsarya/jealosy). These internal enemies, which

> > > afflict us at the

> > > > impulse/instinct level, are much more important to

> > > conquer than

> > > simple

> > > > external habits such as smoking and alcoholism.

> > > >

> > > > Just because we don't have certain habits, we

> > > should not consider

> > > ourselves

> > > > worthy of commenting on other people's habits.

> > > Instead, we should

> > > try to

> > > > conquer our own internal enemies.

> > > >

> > > > > In BPHS, both Rahu and Ketu are described as

> > > smoky. The typical

> > > > temperature

> > > > > profile of a cigarette varies from 700 degrees

> > > celsius at the hot

> > > end of

> > > > the

> > > > > cigarette to 50~70 degrees celsius of the smoke

> > > entering the

> > > mouth. Thus

> > > > the

> > > > > smoke inhaled by the smoker has some amount of

> > > heat depending on

> > > the

> > > > > specific heat capacity of the gas mixture and

> > > Ketu (infrared

> > > heat) as an

> > > > > higher octave of Mars describes this smoke in my

> > > opinion.

> > > >

> > > > If Rahu and Ketu are described as " smoky " , it does

> > > not make them

> > >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Partha,

 

" That " smoke figures in the lives of millions of people, Partha:--))

I don't think we are discussing passive smoking here!

 

I checked up Voja's chart too and Rahu is the dispositor of Moon

(conjoined dear Saturn) and Rahu is very much in the 2nd house.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

[Guest guest]

Dear Lakshmi Garu

 

The days when i was stuck in traffic jams, have been good. I got a

promotion on the day i was late and stuck up in a big traffic jam.

Inhaling smokes helps ketu to work overtime and since he is with

Jupiter, good news is always around. Today also i was stuck in a big

traffic jam, and one project that i was working on got cleared.

 

So long with googlies.

 

best wishes

partha

 

 

sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

<b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Partha,

>

> " That " smoke figures in the lives of millions of people, Partha:--))

> I don't think we are discussing passive smoking here!

>

> I checked up Voja's chart too and Rahu is the dispositor of Moon

> (conjoined dear Saturn) and Rahu is very much in the 2nd house.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Partha,

 

Congrats and may you get stuck more often :--))

 

But on a more serious note, don't you think that Rahu

is the karaka for all addictions because he gives the

mind a high, a false sense of exhileration/exaltation,

because Rahu and Moon also share Taurus as their

exaltation sign. Boosted up AL, as brilliantly stated

by Swee.

 

Ketu, on the other hand, is more likely to cause

depression, when one is not indulging in the

addiction, because he is co-lord of scorpio, which

causes the debility of the Moon.

 

ofcourse, it is a different matter that ketu also

encourages addiction as an antidote to depression and

the vicious circle continues!

 

regards,

Lakshmi

 

--- " V.Partha sarathy " <partvinu wrote:

 

> Dear Lakshmi Garu

>

> The days when i was stuck in traffic jams, have been

> good. I got a

> promotion on the day i was late and stuck up in a

> big traffic jam.

> Inhaling smokes helps ketu to work overtime and

> since he is with

> Jupiter, good news is always around. Today also i

> was stuck in a big

> traffic jam, and one project that i was working on

> got cleared.

>

> So long with googlies.

>

> best wishes

> partha

>

>

> sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Partha,

> >

> > " That " smoke figures in the lives of millions of

> people, Partha:--))

> > I don't think we are discussing passive smoking

> here!

> >

> > I checked up Voja's chart too and Rahu is the

> dispositor of Moon

> > (conjoined dear Saturn) and Rahu is very much in

> the 2nd house.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste List,

 

I was reflecting on whether ketu, as the moksha karaka, could save

the manah from addictions...but then a thought occured to me that as

manah is wholly dependent on pancha bhutas, only one of those pancha

tattwas can save Moon, ofcourse, Jupiter representing the Akasa

tattwa (the least gross & earth-bound) being the obvious choice.

 

Could this be the reason for saying that only Jupiter, Saturn, Mars,

Venus and Mercury (representing the pancha bhutas)can break the

Kemadruma yoga, while Sun (soul is not paancha bhoutika)and the nodes

(intangible impulses)can not break the yoga?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh

<b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Partha,

>

> Congrats and may you get stuck more often :--))

>

> But on a more serious note, don't you think that Rahu

> is the karaka for all addictions because he gives the

> mind a high, a false sense of exhileration/exaltation,

> because Rahu and Moon also share Taurus as their

> exaltation sign. Boosted up AL, as brilliantly stated

> by Swee.

>

> Ketu, on the other hand, is more likely to cause

> depression, when one is not indulging in the

> addiction, because he is co-lord of scorpio, which

> causes the debility of the Moon.

>

> ofcourse, it is a different matter that ketu also

> encourages addiction as an antidote to depression and

> the vicious circle continues!

>

> regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> --- " V.Partha sarathy " <partvinu@g...> wrote:

>

> > Dear Lakshmi Garu

> >

> > The days when i was stuck in traffic jams, have been

> > good. I got a

> > promotion on the day i was late and stuck up in a

> > big traffic jam.

> > Inhaling smokes helps ketu to work overtime and

> > since he is with

> > Jupiter, good news is always around. Today also i

> > was stuck in a big

> > traffic jam, and one project that i was working on

> > got cleared.

> >

> > So long with googlies.

> >

> > best wishes

> > partha

> >

> >

> > sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Dear Partha,

> > >

> > > " That " smoke figures in the lives of millions of

> > people, Partha:--))

> > > I don't think we are discussing passive smoking

> > here!

> > >

> > > I checked up Voja's chart too and Rahu is the

> > dispositor of Moon

> > > (conjoined dear Saturn) and Rahu is very much in

> > the 2nd house.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Dear Lakshmi-ji,

namaskar. Do read message 1028 in this list. It

contains Sanjay-ji's comments to some of my related questions.

 

Best regards,

 

Sourav

================================================================

 

sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

<b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste List,

>

> I was reflecting on whether ketu, as the moksha karaka, could save

> the manah from addictions...but then a thought occured to me that

as

> manah is wholly dependent on pancha bhutas, only one of those

pancha

> tattwas can save Moon, ofcourse, Jupiter representing the Akasa

> tattwa (the least gross & earth-bound) being the obvious choice.

>

> Could this be the reason for saying that only Jupiter, Saturn,

Mars,

> Venus and Mercury (representing the pancha bhutas)can break the

> Kemadruma yoga, while Sun (soul is not paancha bhoutika)and the

nodes

> (intangible impulses)can not break the yoga?

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

> sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Partha,

> >

> > Congrats and may you get stuck more often :--))

> >

> > But on a more serious note, don't you think that Rahu

> > is the karaka for all addictions because he gives the

> > mind a high, a false sense of exhileration/exaltation,

> > because Rahu and Moon also share Taurus as their

> > exaltation sign. Boosted up AL, as brilliantly stated

> > by Swee.

> >

> > Ketu, on the other hand, is more likely to cause

> > depression, when one is not indulging in the

> > addiction, because he is co-lord of scorpio, which

> > causes the debility of the Moon.

> >

> > ofcourse, it is a different matter that ketu also

> > encourages addiction as an antidote to depression and

> > the vicious circle continues!

> >

> > regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > --- " V.Partha sarathy " <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Lakshmi Garu

> > >

> > > The days when i was stuck in traffic jams, have been

> > > good. I got a

> > > promotion on the day i was late and stuck up in a

> > > big traffic jam.

> > > Inhaling smokes helps ketu to work overtime and

> > > since he is with

> > > Jupiter, good news is always around. Today also i

> > > was stuck in a big

> > > traffic jam, and one project that i was working on

> > > got cleared.

> > >

> > > So long with googlies.

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > > partha

> > >

> > >

> > > sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

> > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Dear Partha,

> > > >

> > > > " That " smoke figures in the lives of millions of

> > > people, Partha:--))

> > > > I don't think we are discussing passive smoking

> > > here!

> > > >

> > > > I checked up Voja's chart too and Rahu is the

> > > dispositor of Moon

> > > > (conjoined dear Saturn) and Rahu is very much in

> > > the 2nd house.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Sourav,

 

Namaste. Thanks for directing me to the said message, because I really

enjoyed reading it again (I would never miss even a single line from

Guruji!). Guruji was talking about imbalances in pancha tattwas and

corresponding imbalances in gunas.... i think it is the nodal

influence which causes these imbalances. My basic premise is that the

pancha bhutas & trigunas tend to remain in equilibrium (the way god

created them)unless there is an affliction to one/some of them.

infact, we had an interesting debate on this topic in Varahamihira,

perhaps 2 years back.

 

Can the mind (manah) exist/operate without the body? It can not.

similarly if the mind has something/ someone " tangible " to cling on

to, it would not fall into the trap of addictions & depressions.

" Tangible " is the keyword here, because moon's preoccupation is

totally with " prithvi " !

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa , " Sourav Chowdhury " <souravc108>

wrote:

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Dear Lakshmi-ji,

> namaskar. Do read message 1028 in this list. It

> contains Sanjay-ji's comments to some of my related questions.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Sourav

> ================================================================

>

> sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste List,

> >

> > I was reflecting on whether ketu, as the moksha karaka, could save

> > the manah from addictions...but then a thought occured to me that

> as

> > manah is wholly dependent on pancha bhutas, only one of those

> pancha

> > tattwas can save Moon, ofcourse, Jupiter representing the Akasa

> > tattwa (the least gross & earth-bound) being the obvious choice.

> >

> > Could this be the reason for saying that only Jupiter, Saturn,

> Mars,

> > Venus and Mercury (representing the pancha bhutas)can break the

> > Kemadruma yoga, while Sun (soul is not paancha bhoutika)and the

> nodes

> > (intangible impulses)can not break the yoga?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh

> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Dear Partha,

> > >

> > > Congrats and may you get stuck more often :--))

> > >

> > > But on a more serious note, don't you think that Rahu

> > > is the karaka for all addictions because he gives the

> > > mind a high, a false sense of exhileration/exaltation,

> > > because Rahu and Moon also share Taurus as their

> > > exaltation sign. Boosted up AL, as brilliantly stated

> > > by Swee.

> > >

> > > Ketu, on the other hand, is more likely to cause

> > > depression, when one is not indulging in the

> > > addiction, because he is co-lord of scorpio, which

> > > causes the debility of the Moon.

> > >

> > > ofcourse, it is a different matter that ketu also

> > > encourages addiction as an antidote to depression and

> > > the vicious circle continues!

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > > --- " V.Partha sarathy " <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Lakshmi Garu

> > > >

> > > > The days when i was stuck in traffic jams, have been

> > > > good. I got a

> > > > promotion on the day i was late and stuck up in a

> > > > big traffic jam.

> > > > Inhaling smokes helps ketu to work overtime and

> > > > since he is with

> > > > Jupiter, good news is always around. Today also i

> > > > was stuck in a big

> > > > traffic jam, and one project that i was working on

> > > > got cleared.

> > > >

> > > > So long with googlies.

> > > >

> > > > best wishes

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

> > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Partha,

> > > > >

> > > > > " That " smoke figures in the lives of millions of

> > > > people, Partha:--))

> > > > > I don't think we are discussing passive smoking

> > > > here!

> > > > >

> > > > > I checked up Voja's chart too and Rahu is the

> > > > dispositor of Moon

> > > > > (conjoined dear Saturn) and Rahu is very much in

> > > > the 2nd house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Dear Lakshmi-ji,

Namaskar. Mind can and does exist without the body.

When the body is deceased and the mind & soul migrates to take up a

new body, mind bears all the impressions of the old life. This is

subconcious.

 

The fact, as you noted, that the mind clings on to the body is a

testimony to the delusion mind and buddhi is under. When mind frees

from such a delusion (through application of purified buddhi) mind

is capable of dealing with much more.

 

Best Regards,

 

Sourav

====================================================================

 

sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

<b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Sourav,

>

> Namaste. Thanks for directing me to the said message, because I

really

> enjoyed reading it again (I would never miss even a single line

from

> Guruji!). Guruji was talking about imbalances in pancha tattwas and

> corresponding imbalances in gunas.... i think it is the nodal

> influence which causes these imbalances. My basic premise is that

the

> pancha bhutas & trigunas tend to remain in equilibrium (the way god

> created them)unless there is an affliction to one/some of them.

> infact, we had an interesting debate on this topic in Varahamihira,

> perhaps 2 years back.

>

> Can the mind (manah) exist/operate without the body? It can not.

> similarly if the mind has something/ someone " tangible " to cling on

> to, it would not fall into the trap of addictions & depressions.

> " Tangible " is the keyword here, because moon's preoccupation is

> totally with " prithvi " !

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

sohamsa , " Sourav Chowdhury "

<souravc108>

> wrote:

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >

> > Dear Lakshmi-ji,

> > namaskar. Do read message 1028 in this list. It

> > contains Sanjay-ji's comments to some of my related questions.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Sourav

> > ================================================================

> >

> > sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Namaste List,

> > >

> > > I was reflecting on whether ketu, as the moksha karaka, could

save

> > > the manah from addictions...but then a thought occured to me

that

> > as

> > > manah is wholly dependent on pancha bhutas, only one of those

> > pancha

> > > tattwas can save Moon, ofcourse, Jupiter representing the

Akasa

> > > tattwa (the least gross & earth-bound) being the obvious

choice.

> > >

> > > Could this be the reason for saying that only Jupiter, Saturn,

> > Mars,

> > > Venus and Mercury (representing the pancha bhutas)can break

the

> > > Kemadruma yoga, while Sun (soul is not paancha bhoutika)and

the

> > nodes

> > > (intangible impulses)can not break the yoga?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh

> > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Dear Partha,

> > > >

> > > > Congrats and may you get stuck more often :--))

> > > >

> > > > But on a more serious note, don't you think that Rahu

> > > > is the karaka for all addictions because he gives the

> > > > mind a high, a false sense of exhileration/exaltation,

> > > > because Rahu and Moon also share Taurus as their

> > > > exaltation sign. Boosted up AL, as brilliantly stated

> > > > by Swee.

> > > >

> > > > Ketu, on the other hand, is more likely to cause

> > > > depression, when one is not indulging in the

> > > > addiction, because he is co-lord of scorpio, which

> > > > causes the debility of the Moon.

> > > >

> > > > ofcourse, it is a different matter that ketu also

> > > > encourages addiction as an antidote to depression and

> > > > the vicious circle continues!

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > > > --- " V.Partha sarathy " <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Lakshmi Garu

> > > > >

> > > > > The days when i was stuck in traffic jams, have been

> > > > > good. I got a

> > > > > promotion on the day i was late and stuck up in a

> > > > > big traffic jam.

> > > > > Inhaling smokes helps ketu to work overtime and

> > > > > since he is with

> > > > > Jupiter, good news is always around. Today also i

> > > > > was stuck in a big

> > > > > traffic jam, and one project that i was working on

> > > > > got cleared.

> > > > >

> > > > > So long with googlies.

> > > > >

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > > partha

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

> > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Partha,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " That " smoke figures in the lives of millions of

> > > > > people, Partha:--))

> > > > > > I don't think we are discussing passive smoking

> > > > > here!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I checked up Voja's chart too and Rahu is the

> > > > > dispositor of Moon

> > > > > > (conjoined dear Saturn) and Rahu is very much in

> > > > > the 2nd house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

around

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Sourav,

 

Firstly, I do humbly agree that my “buddhi” is still

covered in delusion and deliverance from avidya forms

the crux of my daily prayer.

 

Then, I want to you know in what sense I think of

pancha tattwas...as gross entities and also as subtle

essences and influences. As long as the mind remains

full of attachments and desires, can it be said to be

free from body, whether in sleep (dream) or in death?

Is not moon a satellite of earth / prithvi (body)? If

earth were to vanish today, what would happen to the

orbiting moon? The fact that Moon’s exaltation as well

as Moolatrikona are not in its own house but in a Bhu

tattwa rasi (Vrishabha) prove beyond doubt that Moon’s

delight as well as dharma are solely dependent on

prithvi /body.

 

What is mind, basically? My definition would be that

it is a repository of thoughts + FEELINGS, which are

very much connected to this body and this birth. It’s

infact your sookshma sareera (Moon treated as

alternate lagna). That’s why you carry your

likes/dislikes, your fears…. everything into the dream

state. If in the dream state, the manah is totally

free of body, then it might as well wander away and

settle for some other far more comely body! Actually,

not a bad idea:--))…but the very fact that it doesn’t

happen indicates that each manah is firmly anchored to

a particular body.

 

Now, when you talk of manah beyond death, there is a

certain brief period of time, during which the manah

does exist beyond the body. But, that’s only for the

purpose of working out its tenure in hell or heaven

before the mind is absorbed into the Collective

Unconscious. It is this individual manah, which

variously fears, suffers or pleasures in these abodes

after death, because the body has already become

ashes. For spirits etc, their links to the body are so

abruptly severed that they still feel “ghost desires,

attachments, pains” etc… in the same way a person

feels “ghost itches” after a limb has been amputated.

They are unnatural and sad things and I really hope

you are not referring to them.

 

Bhagavadgita says emphatically that Soul alone is

imperishable and transmigrates from body to body. For

my reference, can you please tell me where it is

mentioned that mind transmigrates along with the soul?

Or are we using " Sat " and " Chit " interchangeably?

 

Astrologically too, Moon negates itself totally every

month…before a new birth begins. You might want to

think that it is the same moon and there is nothing

new…but each new moon brings in its wake a new

month...and a new jeeva or life (Jupiter-significator

for month) and you also have the concept of Dwadasa

Aditya. No one month is like the previous…the flavours

differ significantly. Among all this discontinuity,

it is Saturn, infact, who provides the continuity,

because he stands for a samvatsara.

 

Same is the case with human birth. The poorva janma

samskaras & impressions that we all carry with us, in

a birth cycle, are part of our karma (Saturn) and are

not to be mistaken as the manah (Moon). Those natives

in whose charts Jupiter /akasa tattwa is strong can

access the archives of Collective Unconscious

/Universal Memory…and this again should not be

confused with the continuity of manah. Such people

usually have knowledge about others’ previous

existences as well as their own. Their trikaala

gynaana is not limited to self.

 

My apologies for the lengthy mail.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

 

--- Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108 wrote:

 

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Dear Lakshmi-ji,

> Namaskar. Mind can and does exist

> without the body.

> When the body is deceased and the mind & soul

> migrates to take up a

> new body, mind bears all the impressions of the old

> life. This is

> subconcious.

>

> The fact, as you noted, that the mind clings on to

> the body is a

> testimony to the delusion mind and buddhi is under.

> When mind frees

> from such a delusion (through application of

> purified buddhi) mind

> is capable of dealing with much more.

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Sourav

>

====================================================================

>

> sohamsa , " B Lakshmi Ramesh "

> <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Sourav,

> >

> > Namaste. Thanks for directing me to the said

> message, because I

> really

> > enjoyed reading it again (I would never miss even

> a single line

> from

> > Guruji!). Guruji was talking about imbalances in

> pancha tattwas and

> > corresponding imbalances in gunas.... i think it

> is the nodal

> > influence which causes these imbalances. My basic

> premise is that

> the

> > pancha bhutas & trigunas tend to remain in

> equilibrium (the way god

> > created them)unless there is an affliction to

> one/some of them.

> > infact, we had an interesting debate on this topic

> in Varahamihira,

> > perhaps 2 years back.

> >

> > Can the mind (manah) exist/operate without the

> body? It can not.

> > similarly if the mind has something/ someone

> " tangible " to cling on

> > to, it would not fall into the trap of addictions

> & depressions.

> > " Tangible " is the keyword here, because moon's

> preoccupation is

> > totally with " prithvi " !

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > sohamsa , " Sourav Chowdhury "

>

> <souravc108>

> > wrote:

> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi-ji,

> > > namaskar. Do read message 1028

> in this list. It

> > > contains Sanjay-ji's comments to some of my

> related questions.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Sourav

> > >

>

================================================================

> > >

> > > sohamsa , " B Lakshmi

> Ramesh "

> > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Namaste List,

> > > >

> > > > I was reflecting on whether ketu, as the

> moksha karaka, could

> save

> > > > the manah from addictions...but then a thought

> occured to me

> that

> > > as

> > > > manah is wholly dependent on pancha bhutas,

> only one of those

> > > pancha

> > > > tattwas can save Moon, ofcourse, Jupiter

> representing the

> Akasa

> > > > tattwa (the least gross & earth-bound) being

> the obvious

> choice.

> > > >

> > > > Could this be the reason for saying that only

> Jupiter, Saturn,

> > > Mars,

> > > > Venus and Mercury (representing the pancha

> bhutas)can break

> the

> > > > Kemadruma yoga, while Sun (soul is not paancha

> bhoutika)and

> the

> > > nodes

> > > > (intangible impulses)can not break the yoga?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh

>

> > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Partha,

> > > > >

> > > > > Congrats and may you get stuck more often

> :--))

> > > > >

> > > > > But on a more serious note, don't you think

> that Rahu

> > > > > is the karaka for all addictions because he

> gives the

> > > > > mind a high, a false sense of

> exhileration/exaltation,

> > > > > because Rahu and Moon also share Taurus as

> their

> > > > > exaltation sign. Boosted up AL, as

> brilliantly stated

> > > > > by Swee.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ketu, on the other hand, is more likely to

> cause

> > > > > depression, when one is not indulging in the

> > > > > addiction, because he is co-lord of scorpio,

> which

> > > > > causes the debility of the Moon.

> > > > >

> > > > > ofcourse, it is a different matter that ketu

> also

> > > > > encourages addiction as an antidote to

> depression and

> > > > > the vicious circle continues!

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> > > > > --- " V.Partha sarathy " <partvinu@g...>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lakshmi Garu

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The days when i was stuck in traffic jams,

> have been

> > > > > > good. I got a

> > > > > > promotion on the day i was late and stuck

> up in a

> > > > > > big traffic jam.

> > > > > > Inhaling smokes helps ketu to work

> overtime and

> > > > > > since he is with

> > > > > > Jupiter, good news is always around. Today

> also i

> > > > > > was stuck in a big

> > > > > > traffic jam, and one project that i was

> working on

> > > > > > got cleared.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So long with googlies.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > partha

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sohamsa , " B Lakshmi

> Ramesh "

> > > > > > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Partha,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " That " smoke figures in the lives of

> millions of

> > > > > > people, Partha:--))

> > > > > > > I don't think we are discussing passive

> smoking

>

=== message truncated ===

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste.

 

 

> [Visti] No mind without body? And yet our body is

> not required for dreaming?

 

Lakshmi: I had answered this question in my reply to

Sourav.

 

> So i guess you don't believe in the dictum from

> Chandra Kala Nadi about the

> Chandra-upapada and the abode after death?

 

Lakshmi: Who am I to doubt the words of great souls?

In my reply to Sourav I had already stated that manah,

as the sookshma sareera, goes to these abodes after

death and stays there till the sookshma sareera itself

is extinguished. Thereafter the mind is absorbed into

the Collective unconscious.

 

The poorva janma vaasanas form part of the O/S, when

new hardware (body)is commissioned!

>

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>