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Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Ramapriya

 

Is this a trick question J - I cant see how Lagna can

ever be retrograde – I think you could very well be referring to the

Lagna Lord being Retrograde

 

Regards

 

Bipin

 

 

 

 

 

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Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:13

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[Jaya Jagannatha] Yet

another Level 1 Q

 

 

 

Dear gurus,

 

 

 

 

 

If the lagna is retrograde during the time of birth, what is the

inference one can draw of the native?

 

 

 

 

 

Respects,

 

 

 

 

 

Ramapriya

 

 

ayirpamar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sir,

 

I'm past my days of trolling. I meant exactly what I asked. Of course the lagna can indeed be retrograde, why not?

 

Respects,

 

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

 

On 6/2/05, Bipin Prag <bipin.prag wrote:

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Ramapriya

 

Is this a trick question

J - I cant see how Lagna can ever be retrograde – I think you could very well be referring to the Lagna Lord being Retrograde

 

 

Regards

 

Bipin

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Ramapriya DThursday, June 02, 2005 8:13 AM

Subject: [Jaya Jagannatha] Yet another Level 1 Q

 

 

 

Dear gurus,

 

 

 

If the lagna is retrograde during the time of birth, what is the inference one can draw of the native?

 

 

 

Respects,

 

 

 

Ramapriya

 

ayirpamar

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Jagannatha

 

Dear

Ramapriya,

 

Namaste

 

Taking the

Sun as the pivot, all planets move in anti clockwise manner, hence the lagna is included in this; also the reason in reading the

North Indian chart over the South Indian chart. Dristis

as easily to decipher with the NI chart too. J

Your question

takes this from the heliocentric point of view, so the Moon is seen to be the

only luminary that seems to be retrograde. This illusory point if what we call

the Moon’s elongated “horn” or the north node of the Moon.

It is when

the planet is “retrograde”, it is actually moving in line with the

Sun J

 

Please go

through the notes I have lovingly typed out and uploaded in the files section

and you’ll have a better idea after calculating the sphutas.

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Ramapriya D

Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:13

AM

 

[Jaya Jagannatha] Yet

another Level 1 Q

 

 

 

Dear gurus,

 

 

 

 

 

If the lagna is retrograde during the time of birth, what is the

inference one can draw of the native?

 

 

 

 

 

Respects,

 

 

 

 

 

Ramapriya

 

 

ayirpamar

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Swee,

 

 

I guess I'll leave this matter for now. I tried writing to Bipin and you on my take on this but the mails bounced back thrice... no idea if that's one of those bally nimittas at work again

K

 

 

Thanks a bunch for the typing work

J

 

 

While you're right about Moon's heliocentric retrogression, I was looking merely at how the interpretation should be of a cove born with a retrograde ascendant... is the dashed birth itself a curse? I wonder.

 

 

 

Respects,

 

 

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

 

On 6/2/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Ramapriya,

 

Namaste

 

Taking the Sun as the pivot, all planets move in anti clockwise manner, hence the lagna is included in this; also the reason in reading the North Indian chart over the South Indian chart. Dristis as easily to decipher with the NI chart too. J

 

Your question takes this from the heliocentric point of view, so the Moon is seen to be the only luminary that seems to be retrograde. This illusory point if what we call the Moon's elongated "horn" or the north node of the Moon.

 

It is when the planet is "retrograde", it is actually moving in line with the Sun

J

Please go through the notes I have lovingly typed out and uploaded in the files section and you'll have a better idea after calculating the sphutas.

 

Love,

Swee

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Jaya

Jagannatha

 

Dear

Ramapriya,

Namaste

 

In

continuation, the first six signs is actually the

invisible signs and the 7th to the 12th sign is the

visible half. Take your meridian from Ujjain as stated in the notes.

Check where

the line is supposed to be exactly, running the North-South and across the

Equator. Please don’t opt for places like Africa for the Equator and the

Northern meridian in Canada

and the Southern meridian in South America. It

does not work this way at all. No wonder there is no symmetry

and you’ve lost some rasis in this from your

equation. I have also given a table for the sines to

work out the sphuta.

BTW, JHora does give the longitude and latitude of Ujjain.

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Ramapriya D

Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:51

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Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] Yet

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Dear Swee,

 

I guess I'll leave this matter for

now. I tried writing to Bipin and you on my take on this but the mails bounced

back thrice... no idea if that's one of those bally nimittas at work again K

 

Thanks a bunch for the typing work J

 

While you're right about Moon's

heliocentric retrogression, I was looking merely at how the interpretation

should be of a cove born with a retrograde ascendant... is the dashed birth

itself a curse? I wonder.

 

Respects,

 

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

 

 

 

On 6/2/05, Swee Chan

<swee wrote:

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Ramapriya,

Namaste

Taking the Sun as the pivot, all

planets move in anti clockwise manner, hence the lagna is included in this;

also the reason in reading the North Indian chart over the South Indian chart.

Dristis as easily to decipher with the NI chart too. J

Your question takes this from the

heliocentric point of view, so the Moon is seen to be the only luminary that

seems to be retrograde. This illusory point if what we call the Moon's

elongated " horn " or the north node of the Moon.

It is when the planet is

" retrograde " , it is actually moving in line with the Sun J

Please go through the notes I have lovingly

typed out and uploaded in the files section and you'll have a better idea after

calculating the sphutas.

Love,

Swee

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Dear Swee,

 

Yes, Ujjain was indeed the place through which India's prime meridian ran in Vikramadityan times. That has now changed to Allahabad. Ujjain is also where the Suryasiddhant was authored, and one of the cities through which the Tropic of Cancer passes.

 

 

 

I'm not clear what you want me to do, though - check for lagna retrogression, if at all, only along Ujjain's longitude? Any reason why the theory shouldn't hold for the places I referred off?

 

 

Guess I better call a halt to this thread now, what?

J

 

 

Respects,

 

 

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

 

On 6/2/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Ramapriya,

Namaste

 

In continuation, the first six signs is actually the invisible signs and the 7th to the 12th

sign is the visible half. Take your meridian from Ujjain as stated in the notes.

Check where the line is supposed to be exactly, running the North-South and across the Equator. Please don't opt for places like Africa for the Equator and the Northern meridian in Canada and the Southern meridian in South America. It does not work this way at all. No wonder there is no symmetry and you've lost some rasis

in this from your equation. I have also given a table for the sines to work out the sphuta.

BTW, JHora does give the longitude and latitude of Ujjain.

 

Love,

 

Swee

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Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Ramapriya,

 

Your place of choice should really be in

sync with the North-South axis. So choose any meridian, work out the sphuta and you’ll get the exact co-ords for the precession you are looking for, lol!! J. I have

given you a table of the sines……..na?

The way you have worked it is like taking

a rasi in random and hope that the next rasi is aspected by it K.

 

The ovoid sphere of the equator looks

like the span of time for each rasi as stated in Gaurda Purana while the

North-South axis (latitude) is symmetrically aligned (to the 360º zodiac). Hmm,

trust the people who map the atlases to convince me otherwise. This is where

you’ll need to work out the exact tilt of the precession.

The so called progression as suggested by

Sanjay ji is really the span of 720’ and not

800’ (for jyotish purposes). This is sidereal

month is based on the Moon’s return to the same place amongst the naksatras while the sidereal year is based on the solar

return to the nakshatra, Dhanishta

(Makara sankranti). At this

rate, it is 4’ shorter than the 365.2424 solar days in the year. (The reason why I also use the 360 deg solar year for the dasa calculations). The observation from the sidereal

point of view is mapped through Uttarabhadra since

the turn of the century, where the seasonal points of the solstices and

equinoxes are. The different periods of the different (Vedic)

ages several naksatras mentioned ranging from Pusyami (circa 6,500 BC) through the various nakshatras until the turn of the century (1991) to Uttabhadra. Surya Siddhant tells us that this rate of precession which is the

backward tilt of the Earth on its axis is around 54” until the recent

accepted norm at 50.3”

 

Thanks for taking me back in time J

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Ramapriya D

Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:49

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Dear Swee,

 

Yes, Ujjain

was indeed the place through which India's prime meridian ran in

Vikramadityan times. That has now changed to Allahabad. Ujjain is also where the Suryasiddhant was

authored, and one of the cities through which the Tropic of Cancer passes.

 

I'm not clear what you

want me to do, though - check for lagna retrogression, if at all, only along Ujjain's longitude? Any

reason why the theory shouldn't hold for the places I referred off?

 

Guess I better call a

halt to this thread now, what? J

 

Respects,

 

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

 

 

 

 

On 6/2/05, Swee Chan

<swee wrote:

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Ramapriya,

Namaste

In continuation, the first six signs

is actually the invisible signs and the 7th to the 12th

sign is the visible half. Take your meridian from Ujjain as stated in the notes.

Check where the line is supposed to

be exactly, running the North-South and across the Equator. Please don't opt

for places like Africa for the Equator and the Northern meridian in Canada and the Southern meridian in South America. It does not work this way at all. No

wonder there is no symmetry and you've lost some rasis in this from your

equation. I have also given a table for the sines to work out the sphuta.

BTW, JHora does give the longitude

and latitude of Ujjain.

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

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Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Ramapriya,

 

Further, astronomers (in Bharat) places

the vernal equinox at around 23º 19’ 23” from Aries (for the

purpose of jyotish calculations); established on 1st Jan 1962, it is

still a matter of dispute.

So who needs to base our readings on

Lahiri Ayanamsa when Narayan Dasa IS the most succinct?

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Swee Chan

Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:53

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RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] Yet

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Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Ramapriya,

 

Your place of choice should really be in

sync with the North-South axis. So choose any meridian, work out the sphuta and

you’ll get the exact co-ords for the precession you are looking for,

lol!! J. I have given

you a table of the sines……..na?

The way you have worked it is like taking

a rasi in random and hope that the next rasi is aspected by it K.

 

The ovoid sphere of the equator looks

like the span of time for each rasi as stated in Gaurda Purana while the

North-South axis (latitude) is symmetrically aligned (to the 360º zodiac). Hmm,

trust the people who map the atlases to convince me otherwise. This is where

you’ll need to work out the exact tilt of the precession.

The so called progression as suggested by

Sanjay ji is really the span of 720’ and not 800’ (for jyotish

purposes). This is sidereal month is based on the Moon’s return to the

same place amongst the naksatras while the sidereal year is based on the solar

return to the nakshatra, Dhanishta (Makara sankranti). At this rate, it is

4’ shorter than the 365.2424 solar days in the year. (The reason why I

also use the 360 deg solar year for the dasa calculations). The observation

from the sidereal point of view is mapped through Uttarabhadra since the turn

of the century, where the seasonal points of the solstices and equinoxes are.

The different periods of the different (Vedic) ages several naksatras mentioned

ranging from Pusyami (circa 6,500 BC) through the various nakshatras until the

turn of the century (1991) to Uttabhadra. Surya Siddhant tells us that this

rate of precession which is the backward tilt of the Earth on its axis is

around 54” until the recent accepted norm at 50.3”

 

Thanks for taking me back in time J

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf

Of Ramapriya D

Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:49

PM

 

Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] Yet

another Level 1 Q

 

 

 

Dear Swee,

 

Yes, Ujjain

was indeed the place through which India's prime meridian ran in

Vikramadityan times. That has now changed to Allahabad. Ujjain is also where the Suryasiddhant was

authored, and one of the cities through which the Tropic of Cancer passes.

 

I'm not clear what you

want me to do, though - check for lagna retrogression, if at all, only along Ujjain's longitude? Any

reason why the theory shouldn't hold for the places I referred off?

 

Guess I better call a

halt to this thread now, what? J

 

Respects,

 

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

 

 

 

 

On 6/2/05, Swee Chan

<swee wrote:

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Ramapriya,

Namaste

In continuation, the first six signs

is actually the invisible signs and the 7th to the 12th

sign is the visible half. Take your meridian from Ujjain as stated in the notes.

Check where the line is supposed to

be exactly, running the North-South and across the Equator. Please don't opt

for places like Africa for the Equator and the Northern meridian in Canada and the Southern meridian in South America. It does not work this way at all. No

wonder there is no symmetry and you've lost some rasis in this from your

equation. I have also given a table for the sines to work out the sphuta.

BTW, JHora does give the longitude

and latitude of Ujjain.

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

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Dear Swee,

 

I did NOT want this thread no more, but since you've stoked it, I'll nag you a wee more...

On 6/2/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Ramapriya,

 

Your place of choice should really be in sync with the North-South axis.

 

" in sync " matlab?

 

 

 

So choose any meridian, work out the sphuta and you'll get the exact co-ords for the precession you are looking for,

lol!! J. I have given you a table of the sines……..na

?

 

Will look later into what you've typed out, but what on earth do you mean, " for the precession you're looking for " ? The wheels will come off if you don't get clearer, Swee; I don't know all this, really!

 

 

 

 

The way you have worked it is like taking a rasi in random and hope that the next rasi is aspected by it K.

 

I've reasoned to you why I think the lagna retrogrades where it does. I might be wrong (I'm nearly always in innerwear with astronomy), but prima facie unless I've missed something major, even JH is wrong, but I know JH isn't wrong.

 

 

 

 

The ovoid sphere of the equator looks like the span of time for each rasi as stated in Gaurda Purana while the North-South axis (latitude) is symmetrically aligned (to the 360º zodiac).

 

 

 

You're far too erudite than I can ever hope to be, but I must quibble with you here, Swee.

 

How is the ovoid earth that's the problem? It should logically be more a combination of the following three things:

 

 

a) the angle that the celestial equator makes with the horizon;

 

b) the angles that the ecliptic makes with the celestial equator and horizon (it'd be at once murky and prosaic if we used spherical trigonometry or euclidian geometry to resolve the speeds of the ecliptic crossing the equator and such stuff);

 

 

c) the varying motion of the ecliptic with respect to the celestial equator.

 

In the equatorial example I took, and I don't mind doing it for Colombo or Singapore or Bogota or wherever, you could find how the lagna durations were more or less uniform. That's because the equator is the closest you can get to nullifying the season-causing tilt of the earth. Or at least that's what I think.

 

 

 

Hmm, trust the people who map the atlases to convince me otherwise. This is where you'll need to work out the exact tilt of the precession.

 

 

At it again... just what is " tilt " of the precession? Isn't precession the westward shift in the previous position of the vernal equinox caused by the Moon and Sun?

 

 

Let's take this off-list to save others the hassle, if you want, but best you be explicit than pithy with a known cretin

J

 

 

 

Lastly, I await your final word on the East business... do you concur or not that, at any given point, two points of the ecliptic intersect the horizon? If yes, which do you consider as East? Yea I'll read up the typed material too, but

J

 

Respects,

 

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

 

Love,

 

 

Swee

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Dear Swee,

 

Narayana dasa is also a product of the ayanamsha, as far as I know. Or is it? If the lagna or indeed position of any planet gets altered by the use of a particular ayanamsha, the Narayana dasa will suitably go wacko too.

 

 

What have I missed here? Tis Revathi 4th pada right now and my Moon is gone bonkers. The rate at which I'm getting confused, I'll end up forgetting everything

L

 

Your being pithiness is hurting by degrees.

 

Respects,

 

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

 

On 6/2/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Ramapriya,

Further, astronomers (in Bharat) places the vernal equinox at around 23º 19' 23" from Aries (for the purpose of jyotish calculations); established on 1

st Jan 1962, it is still a matter of dispute.

So who needs to base our readings on Lahiri Ayanamsa when Narayan Dasa IS the most succinct?

Love,

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On 6/2/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Ramapriya,

Please go through the notes I have lovingly typed out and uploaded in the files section and you'll have a better idea after calculating the sphutas.

 

Love,

Swee

 

Dear Swee,

 

Just a couple of pages into the Narada Purana, and I'm unhinged already. In the translation of Sloka 133 of Chapter 54, to be more specific, you state:

 

 

" The East-West line is called the prime vertical (sama-mandala); it is also termed the equatorial horizon (six o'clock circle; unmandala) and the equinoctical circle (celestial equator, visnumandala). "

 

 

Can you confirm that the prime vertical is 90 degrees to the meridian? Appears like the prime vertical you're talking of is indeed an arc (imaginary) that cuts through the east on the horizon, the zenith and the west on the horizon. Like I said, this definition causes problems at some places on earth, especially beyond 66.5 degrees north, since the North Pole and its surroundings would be beyond the zenith itself, and you cannot draw a vertical near the North Pole! I can send you the jhd file if you want, Swee, and you can see for yourself the goings-on of the lagna, including a dramatic hop from Sc in the south to Ta in the north, leading to a horizon-skimming retro sprint until Sg. Clarity on the uniform application, or exclusions on the applicability, was what I was seeking yesterday

J

 

Back to Sloka 133. You further imply that the equatorial horizon is the same as celestial equator! That certainly goes against the grain of what little I've understood thus far (and what I know is in the attached pics). If the horizon is indeed the celestial equator, which means there isn't a tilt of the earth vis-a-vis the horizon, where the hell are seasons on earth coming from?

 

 

May I request you to confirm your translation, please? No offense when I say that, yea? Or better still, explain it

 

J

 

The Narada Purana, in Sloka 131, defines what's East, but I want your opinion on whether this method would work everywhere. I'm not so sure it would, beyond 66.5 North. Do you think our science would still look infallible if it didn't?

 

Can't wait for your explanation

J

 

Respects,

 

Ramapriya

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Dear Swee & Ramapriya

 

With various Ayanamshas adopted by different astrological schools,

this is always going to be disputed. I think this discussion has

just highlighted for me that one can never be 100% in one's

prediction, but rather there is a 95% probability or greater, that

an event can be predicted, as a result of our own conditioning,

correct birth time and of course Ayanamsa used in delineating a

chart.

 

This dispute is a stong case for using Prasna for supporting Natal

Horoscopy, because it reflects, the moment in time. I have read

about many astrologers who got perfect answers from a Prasna chart

and later discovered that they used the wrong birth time or ayanamsa

or place. This I guess was part of the karmic process to ensure

that the client or native received the correct information.

 

Getting back to astronomy, I do believe its important to be

in 'touch' with the universe by observing the movement of planets in

the sky. As you know, im still a beginner and one gets so used to

relying on the two dimentional flat screen of the computer.

 

Im glad that one of my favourite places has cropped up again in the

forum.... Ujjain in India - a lot of history and major astrological

research has been done there.

 

Regards

 

Bipin

 

 

 

 

 

, Ramapriya D <ayirpamar@g...>

wrote:

> Dear Swee,

>

> Narayana dasa is also a product of the ayanamsha, as far as I

know. Or is

> it? If the lagna or indeed position of any planet gets altered by

the use of

> a particular ayanamsha, the Narayana dasa will suitably go wacko

too.

>

> What have I missed here? Tis Revathi 4th pada right now and my

Moon is gone

> bonkers. The rate at which I'm getting confused, I'll end up

forgetting

> everything L

>

> Your being pithiness is hurting by degrees.

>

> Respects,

>

> Ramapriya

>

> ayirpamar@g...

>

>

> On 6/2/05, Swee Chan <swee@c...> wrote:

> >

> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >

> > Dear Ramapriya,

> >

> > Further, astronomers (in Bharat) places the vernal equinox at

around 23º

> > 19' 23 " from Aries (for the purpose of jyotish calculations);

established on

> > 1st Jan 1962, it is still a matter of dispute.

> >

> > So who needs to base our readings on Lahiri Ayanamsa when

Narayan Dasa IS

> > the most succinct?

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Swee

> >

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Dear Sir,

 

This is the problem with such threads… the discursive nature tends to dilute the original Q itself.

 

What began as a simple interpretation of a retro lagna has progressed to the completely irrelevant (to this thread) ayanamsha

K

 

The ayanamsha will help fix our orientation vis-à-vis the unmoving background of nakshatras, yes, but little to do with what astronomy-related astrology Q I asked. And what Q I asked is pretty much buried and lost

L

 

Respects,

 

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

 

On 6/3/05, bipinprag <bipin.prag wrote:

Dear Swee & RamapriyaWith various Ayanamshas adopted by different astrological schools,

this is always going to be disputed. I think this discussion has just highlighted for me that one can never be 100% in one's prediction, but rather there is a 95% probability or greater, that an event can be predicted, as a result of our own conditioning, correct birth time and of course Ayanamsa used in delineating a chart.This dispute is a stong case for using Prasna for supporting Natal Horoscopy, because it reflects, the moment in time. I have read about many astrologers who got perfect answers from a Prasna chart and later discovered that they used the wrong birth time or ayanamsa or place. This I guess was part of the karmic process to ensure that the client or native received the correct information.

Getting back to astronomy, I do believe its important to be in 'touch' with the universe by observing the movement of planets in the sky. As you know, im still a beginner and one gets so used to relying on the two dimentional flat screen of the computer.

Im glad that one of my favourite places has cropped up again in the forum.... Ujjain in India - a lot of history and major astrological research has been done there.RegardsBipin

, Ramapriya D <ayirpamar@g...>

wrote:> Dear Swee,> > Narayana dasa is also a product of the ayanamsha, as far as I know. Or is > it? If the lagna or indeed position of any planet gets altered by the use of > a particular ayanamsha, the Narayana dasa will suitably go wacko too.> > What have I missed here? Tis Revathi 4th pada right now and my Moon is gone > bonkers. The rate at which I'm getting confused, I'll end up forgetting > everything L> > Your being pithiness is hurting by degrees.> > Respects,> > Ramapriya> > ayirpamar@g...> > > On 6/2/05, Swee Chan <swee@c

....> wrote: > > > > Jaya Jagannatha> > > > Dear Ramapriya,> > > > Further, astronomers (in Bharat) places the vernal equinox at around 23º > > 19' 23 " from Aries (for the purpose of jyotish calculations); established on > > 1st Jan 1962, it is still a matter of dispute.> > > > So who needs to base our readings on Lahiri Ayanamsa when Narayan Dasa IS > > the most succinct?

> > > > Love,> > > > Swee> >

 

 

 

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Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Ramapriya,

 

Namaste

 

What drawings are those? Please draw

the gnomon and look at the matsya unfold….. Mark out the cardinal points

and see it in its 3 dimensional view. Back to the drawing

board.

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Ramapriya

D

Friday, June 03, 2005 9:45

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Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] Yet

another Level 1 Q

 

 

 

On 6/2/05, Swee Chan

<swee wrote:

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Ramapriya,

Please go through the notes I have

lovingly typed out and uploaded in the files section and you'll have a better

idea after calculating the sphutas.

Love,

Swee

 

 

Dear Swee,

 

Just a couple of pages into the

Narada Purana, and I'm unhinged already. In the translation of Sloka 133 of

Chapter 54, to be more specific, you state:

 

" The East-West line is called

the prime vertical (sama-mandala); it is also termed the equatorial horizon

(six o'clock circle; unmandala) and the equinoctical circle (celestial equator,

visnumandala). "

 

Can you confirm that the prime

vertical is 90 degrees to the meridian? Appears like the prime vertical you're

talking of is indeed an arc (imaginary) that cuts through the east on the

horizon, the zenith and the west on the horizon. Like I said, this

definition causes problems at some places on earth, especially beyond 66.5

degrees north, since the North Pole and its surroundings would be beyond the

zenith itself, and you cannot draw

a vertical near the North Pole! I can send you the jhd file if you want, Swee,

and you can see for yourself the goings-on of the lagna, including a dramatic

hop from Sc in the south to Ta in the north, leading to a horizon-skimming

retro sprint until Sg. Clarity on the uniform application, or exclusions on the

applicability, was what I was seeking yesterday J

 

Back to Sloka 133. You further imply

that the equatorial horizon is the same as celestial equator! That certainly

goes against the grain of what little I've understood thus far (and what I know

is in the attached pics). If the horizon is indeed the celestial equator, which

means there isn't a tilt of the earth vis-a-vis the horizon, where the hell are

seasons on earth coming from?

 

May I request you to confirm your

translation, please? No offense when I say that, yea? Or better still, explain

it J

 

The Narada Purana, in Sloka 131,

defines what's East, but I want your opinion on whether this method would work

everywhere. I'm not so sure it would, beyond 66.5 North. Do you think our

science would still look infallible if it didn't?

 

Can't wait for your explanation J

 

Respects,

 

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

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