Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 om namo bhagavate venkatesaaya Dear Gaurav, namaste It is not an elementary question; I have spent days doodling this question on paper in an attempt to figure out this special aspect concept. Have you wondered why an eagle is famed for its eyesight? Is it because it flies so high in the sky that from its vantage position, it is able to see a wider coverage of the land below and yet pick the movement of a rabbit unerringly. In an analogous explanation, the outer planets (ie., Mars, Jupiter & Saturn) have a higher altitude as seen from Earth. Hence the special aspects to these planets as they are able to 'see' a wider coverage of the zodiac. But one can easily pick a hole in this theory (explained by Sanjay in COVA; see this to understand why 3 & 10; 5 & 9, 4 & 8) when one considers the following as per BPHS: (1) All planets have a full strength dristi on the 7th house. (2) Mars has a full strength dristi on the 4th and 8th houses; all other planets do so with a three-quarters strength. (3) Jupiter has a full strength dristi on the 5th and 9th house; all other planets do so with a one-halfs strength (4) Saturn has a full strength dristi on the 3rd and 10th house; all other planets do so with a one-quarters strength. Of course, the less-than-full strength dristi are rarely used except by Sanjay who considers *all* the possible aspects in his analysis. The question is what is this strength? Is it the strength derived from the position of the planet with respect to the sun? best regards Hari On 6/17/05, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna ||Namaste Learned, While this may be an elementary question, If I may, Why do mangal, guru, and sani have special aspects ? i.e., why only these three planets have special aspects and not others , and secondly why the 4th & 8th, the 5th & 9th trinal, the 3rd and 10th ? Namaste,Gaurav Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Gaurav and Hari Great question. We have also forgotten to include Rahu aspects in this discussion. Im sure the other Jyotish Gurus will enlighten us. Regards Bipin On Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya Friday, June 17, 2005 7:29 AM Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] special aspects om namo bhagavate venkatesaaya Dear Gaurav, namaste It is not an elementary question; I have spent days doodling this question on paper in an attempt to figure out this special aspect concept. Have you wondered why an eagle is famed for its eyesight? Is it because it flies so high in the sky that from its vantage position, it is able to see a wider coverage of the land below and yet pick the movement of a rabbit unerringly. In an analogous explanation, the outer planets (ie., Mars, Jupiter & Saturn) have a higher altitude as seen from Earth. Hence the special aspects to these planets as they are able to 'see' a wider coverage of the zodiac. But one can easily pick a hole in this theory (explained by Sanjay in COVA; see this to understand why 3 & 10; 5 & 9, 4 & 8) when one considers the following as per BPHS: (1) All planets have a full strength dristi on the 7th house. (2) Mars has a full strength dristi on the 4th and 8th houses; all other planets do so with a three-quarters strength. (3) Jupiter has a full strength dristi on the 5th and 9th house; all other planets do so with a one-halfs strength (4) Saturn has a full strength dristi on the 3rd and 10th house; all other planets do so with a one-quarters strength. Of course, the less-than-full strength dristi are rarely used except by Sanjay who considers *all* the possible aspects in his analysis. The question is what is this strength? Is it the strength derived from the position of the planet with respect to the sun? best regards Hari On 6/17/05, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Namaste Learned, While this may be an elementary question, If I may, Why do mangal, guru, and sani have special aspects ? i.e., why only these three planets have special aspects and not others , and secondly why the 4th & 8th, the 5th & 9th trinal, the 3rd and 10th ? Namaste, Gaurav Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 , Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi@g...> wrote: > > Of course, the less-than-full strength dristi are rarely used except by Sanjay who considers *all* the possible aspects in his analysis. Sorry to have to disappoint you, Sir, I've also been considering all aspects of planets for about 3 years now; this isn't meant to be an ego statement, but merely a fact. Ditto for the results of dasas considering the net effect of permanent and temporary planetary relationships; I've seen that most astrologers wholly ignore temporary friendships. Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar PS: Can anyone hazard a guess on why, despite showing 20 messages in the header section, the body of today's Daily Digest that I received contained just 14 messages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna ||Namaste Hari ji, Thank you for your reply. Eagle vantage point can be considered. However, why does it have a sharp eyesight is the question? So then, if Jyotish was to factor Pluto in analysis, it will probably have full aspects of all the houses?? The "strength", as I understand, invariably has to be derived from the central point-Sun, and the diety representing planet will represent manifestation. Perhaps, Deva Guru, is as called- Deva Guru, therefore it was given the "right" to aspect the trinal houses supporting expansion by giving results/fruits via lakshmi. And Sani, because of its nature was given the "right"to aspect the upachayas 3th and 10th. Upachayas and free will have inherent connection, since these are the houses where the native is free to work hard and improve, and who better to help the native work harder than aspecting sani. I am yet to figure out reasoning for mangal in a positive form since it would aspect 4th and 8th. Interesting, all the three planets were given "rights" to aspect their own house, the natural 9th, natural 10th, and natural 8th.... Namaste,Gaurav Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna ||Namaste Bipin, You are right. Rahu also has special aspects. However, can we apply the eagle vantage point logic to rahu? I think not...then how do we explain its aspects? Namaste,Gaurav Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 1. om namo narayanaaya Dear Gaurav, From Sanjays notes:- Graha drishti (planetary sight) is an expression of a desire whereas Rasi Drishti (Sign sight) is an expression of knowledge. 2. (1) All planets excepting Ketu the headless one, have sight. 3. (2) All planets aspect the seventh sign from where they are stationed with a full aspect. 4. (3) The outer planets Mars, Jupiter and Saturn have special full aspects on signs other than the seventh sign. So also, Rahu has special aspects. Just like an eagle can see everything from a position above, so also the outer planets are at a relative height above the earth (as reckoned from the Sun) and hence acquire this ability of special aspect. 5. None of the planets can aspect the 2nd or 12th house from their station, except Rahu who can see the second house from its station (counted zodiacally or 12th house counted in reverse. They are one and the same.) 6. None of the planets can aspect the 6th & 11th houses, as these are places of Danda (punishment) and Hara (removal from this planet) [1] .. Planets/ bodies cannot desire punishment and removal from this material universe. The only one who creates this desire of removal from the material world is Ketu and hence it is the Moksha Karaka (giver of emancipation). 7. Thus, removing the 2nd & 12th, the 6th & 11th and 1st & 7th signs which have already been explained above, the outer planets have special aspects on the remaining signs (3rd, 4th, 5th, 8th, 9th & 10th) 8. (4) Mars aspects the Chaturasra (4th & 8th signs) with a full aspect while others do so with a three-quarter aspect. 9. (5) Jupiter and Rahu have a full aspect on the Prarabdha / Poorva Punya (good or evil done in the past birth as indicated by the 5th and 9th houses). While Jupiter indicates the Punya (net good deeds from past life), Rahu indicates the Paapa (net bad deeds from past life). All other planets aspect the 5th & 9th houses with a half-aspect. 10. (6) Saturn has a full aspect on the Upachaya [2] (houses of growth 3rd & 10th) and indicates the resources that would be depleted in fulfilling personal desires or weaknesses (called Shadripu [3]). All other planets aspect the 3rd & 10th houses with a quarter aspect. _________________ [1] Tanou Tana Danda Hara (Jaimini Sutra). Tanou is 6th house and Tanou-Tana is 6th from 6th house or 11th house. [2] Although there are four Upachaya houses 3rd, 6th, 10th & 11th, the 6th & 11th have been excluded as explained. [3] Shadripu: The six weaknesses or "M's" that are Mada (Alcohol),Mamsa (Flesh eating), Hope this helps; one comment in purple below. regards HariOn 6/19/05, yobrevol <yobrevol wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna ||Namaste Hari ji, Thank you for your reply. Eagle vantage point can be considered. However, why does it have a sharp eyesight is the question? So then, if Jyotish was to factor Pluto in analysis, it will probably have full aspects of all the houses?? [Hari] Sharp eyesight is not central to this discussion; what I wanted to illustrate was the vantage point of view which you understood. The five tatvas are assigned to the five planets from Mercury to Saturn and it is not necessary to bring in the extrasaturnine planets. But I do understand your point of argument. Take a look at the distances of the planets from the Sun and normalize these with respect to the Earth-Sun distance (ie., Earth-Sun distance = 1 unit) and then note these values for the planets; any interesting observation? I think that the book on cosmology by Richard Thompson may also provide some additional material on this. The " strength " , as I understand, invariably has to be derived from the central point-Sun, and the diety representing planet will represent manifestation. Perhaps, Deva Guru, is as called- Deva Guru, therefore it was given the " right " to aspect the trinal houses supporting expansion by giving results/fruits via lakshmi. And Sani, because of its nature was given the " right " to aspect the upachayas 3th and 10th. Upachayas and free will have inherent connection, since these are the houses where the native is free to work hard and improve, and who better to help the native work harder than aspecting sani. I am yet to figure out reasoning for mangal in a positive form since it would aspect 4th and 8th. Interesting, all the three planets were given " rights " to aspect their own house, the natural 9th, natural 10th, and natural 8th.... Namaste,Gaurav Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna ||Namaste Hari ji, Please accept my delayed thank you for your reply on special aspects. Namaste,Gaurav Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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