Guest guest Posted August 23, 2000 Report Share Posted August 23, 2000 Namaste Anantarupa, Mean nodes are strictly retrograde and the so called true nodes are not strictly retrograde - they move forward sometimes and backward sometimes, but the overall motion is backward. Based on the teachings of maharshis, nodes should be always retrograde. Use mean nodes. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2000 Report Share Posted August 24, 2000 Jaya Jagannath Dear Anantarupa, The term TRUE used for TRUE nodes is a misnomer as these are merely mathematical points based on the intersection of the plane of the motion of the Moon (around the earth) and the earth (around the Sun). The principle to be used for the mathematical derivation is the important criteria and as Narasimha as already mentioned, the fact of their constant retrogression is the Jyotish principle enunciated by the Maharishi's. Thus if we were to apply this requirement that Rahu and Ketu must be retrograde all the time, then the calculations used for what is called TRUE NODE is incorrect as you will find them direct sometimes and retrograde at other times. Instead using MEAN NODES we find them to be retrograde all the time and this is advisable for use. Now coming to the Charakaraka Question, this will also depend on the Ayanamsa used in addition. Using Lahiri ayanamsa, we find Rahu becoming the Darakaraka. Use this for the present until that day when SJVC is able to sponsor a study into Ayanamsa and arrive at a very good result. Lahiri seems to be the closest so far. With Best Wishes, Sanjay Rath - Arno Holzmann <ArnoHolzmann varahamihira group <varahamihira > Wednesday, August 23, 2000 8:51 PM [sri Guru] True or mean Rahu > Dear gurus and shishyas, pranaam! > > I just finished calculating the chart of a boy born on August 3, 2000, at > 16.40 > in Lungern, Switzerland ( 8E10, 46N48), Timezone: CED. > > It so happens that Rahu becomes the Atmakaraka at 00:40 Cancer in house 9 > if the calculation is done with true Rahu. > > If the chart is calculated with mean Rahu, Rahu moves into house nine at > 29:47 > Gemini and becomes the darakaraka. All other Karakas change as well. > The navamsha positions of Rahu and Ketu also change > > Which version is to be preferred? Should we take true or mean Rahu? > Any solutions or suggestions what to do in this puzzling situation? > > Hare Krishna > > Anantarupa > > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Dear list does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? best wishes M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 No ancient or mediaeval text of Indian astronomy or astrology speak of True Nodes. It is a modern importation from physical astronomy by persons like NC Lahiri who used it as early as 1930s. There may be some persons using it a few decades earlier, but they are not widely known. The credit of making true nodes popular among softwares must go to Late NC Lahiri, although he might not have introduced it into VA. The basic framework Lahiri used was based upon what all indologists like Colebrooke and Burgess were advocating since the beginning of 19th century, but they were not interested in any astrology at all. The framework originated from 19th century Western indologists who avoided true or mean nodes and discussed only full-fledged planets. Although I am not sure of date and person, true node was introduced into VA by early 20th century astrologers, before mid 1930s. -VJ ===================== ==== ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Friday, June 5, 2009 2:19:00 PM True or mean Rahu Dear list does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? best wishes M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Thanks for the reply, you seem to basically be saying that only mean node positions were used before the introduction of true node positions into vedic astrology in the 20th century best wishes M - Vinay Jha Friday, June 05, 2009 10:10 AM Re: True or mean Rahu No ancient or mediaeval text of Indian astronomy or astrology speak of True Nodes. It is a modern importation from physical astronomy by persons like NC Lahiri who used it as early as 1930s. There may be some persons using it a few decades earlier, but they are not widely known. The credit of making true nodes popular among softwares must go to Late NC Lahiri, although he might not have introduced it into VA. The basic framework Lahiri used was based upon what all indologists like Colebrooke and Burgess were advocating since the beginning of 19th century, but they were not interested in any astrology at all. The framework originated from 19th century Western indologists who avoided true or mean nodes and discussed only full-fledged planets. Although I am not sure of date and person, true node was introduced into VA by early 20th century astrologers, before mid 1930s. -VJ ===================== ==== ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Friday, June 5, 2009 2:19:00 PM True or mean Rahu Dear list does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? best wishes M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Certainly. All traditional texts say so explicitly. There is no mention of any formula or method of converting mean to true node in any traditional Indian text. It was called neither mean nor true, the differentiation is a modern phenomenon in India. Siddhantic astronomy believed Grahas to be different from physical planets. There are traditional texts which explicitly say so. True nodes are needed in physical astronomy which was called Drikpaksha (the " perceived world " or the world of Phenomena in Kantian terms). In the Saurapaksha (world of deities or the world of Noumena), the orbit of nodes was said to be circular, and there was no need of true node. -VJ ================ ======== ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Friday, June 5, 2009 7:51:02 PM Re: True or mean Rahu Thanks for the reply, you seem to basically be saying that only mean node positions were used before the introduction of true node positions into vedic astrology in the 20th century best wishes M - Vinay Jha Friday, June 05, 2009 10:10 AM Re: True or mean Rahu No ancient or mediaeval text of Indian astronomy or astrology speak of True Nodes. It is a modern importation from physical astronomy by persons like NC Lahiri who used it as early as 1930s. There may be some persons using it a few decades earlier, but they are not widely known. The credit of making true nodes popular among softwares must go to Late NC Lahiri, although he might not have introduced it into VA. The basic framework Lahiri used was based upon what all indologists like Colebrooke and Burgess were advocating since the beginning of 19th century, but they were not interested in any astrology at all. The framework originated from 19th century Western indologists who avoided true or mean nodes and discussed only full-fledged planets. Although I am not sure of date and person, true node was introduced into VA by early 20th century astrologers, before mid 1930s. -VJ ============ ========= ==== ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Friday, June 5, 2009 2:19:00 PM True or mean Rahu Dear list does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? best wishes M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 There is something interesting about Varahamihira's writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! RR , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Dear list > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > best wishes > M > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Rohini Da, I do not know who started propagating the modern myth that nodes are not mentioned in Varaha mihira's Brihat-Jaataka ; this work says ; " Raahustamoagurasurashcha Shikhiti Ketuh paryaayam.... " (chapter-2, verse-3) Which means " the synonyms of Raahu are Tama and Agu, while of Ketu is Shikhi " . The ancient commentary of Varaha Mihira's Brihat-Jaataka by Bhatta Utpala also mentions the same in the commentary of this verse, and gives additional synonyms of nodes. The words " Raahu " and " Ketu " are mentioned in all works of Varaha Mihira, like Brihat-Jaataka, Brihat-Samhitaa, Panch-siddhaantikaa. There are certain astrological processes in which nodes are not needed, in Brihat-Jaataka as well as in BPHS. In a few processes, even Sun and Moon are omitted, eg, five elements are related to five planets only in BPHS(Fire, Earth, etc, BPHS, chapter-3, verse-21) , which cannot be cited out of context to prove that Sun and Moon were absent in BPHS. Nodes needed to be excluded from Indian Astrology in order to prove a Greek origin of Indian Astrology. I hope you will put such chauvinist works in proper perspectives. -VJ ======================= === ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani Saturday, June 6, 2009 4:18:56 AM Re: True or mean Rahu There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! RR , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Dear list > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > best wishes > M > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 It was a western astrologer turned jyotishi originating in a nordic country that used to frequent the Jyotish-List some two decades ago who used to make that point and also spoke about the " sophisticated " navamsa. This was just prior to the advent of Sanjay Rath and his students who went beyond and brought to the hungry jyotish crowds the nine yards about other vargas and other dashas and so on. The rest is modern history! It is good of you to give the reference that is also in Dr. Saraswathy's edition that I have here handy and thank you for pointing it out to me! Did Varahamihira take it any further in Vrihata Jataka and pronounce some of the effects that the nativities may experience due to RAhu SHIkhi? You reminded me of our dear Tatvamasi Ji who wrote that RA-SHI had reference to the lunar nodes (RAhu and SHIkhi or ketu)! Please do not take this literally -- I am just recollecting! RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Rohini Da, > > I do not know who started propagating the modern myth that nodes are not mentioned in Varaha mihira's Brihat-Jaataka ; this work says ; > > " Raahustamoagurasurashcha Shikhiti Ketuh paryaayam.... " (chapter-2, verse-3) > > Which means " the synonyms of Raahu are Tama and Agu, while of Ketu is Shikhi " . > > > The ancient commentary of Varaha Mihira's Brihat-Jaataka by Bhatta Utpala also mentions the same in the commentary of this verse, and gives additional synonyms of nodes. The words " Raahu " and " Ketu " are mentioned in all works of Varaha Mihira, like Brihat-Jaataka, Brihat-Samhitaa, Panch-siddhaantikaa. > > There are certain astrological processes in which nodes are not needed, in Brihat-Jaataka as well as in BPHS. In a few processes, even Sun and Moon are omitted, eg, five elements are related to five planets only in BPHS(Fire, Earth, etc, BPHS, chapter-3, verse-21) , which cannot be cited out of context to prove that Sun and Moon were absent in BPHS. > > Nodes needed to be excluded from Indian Astrology in order to prove a Greek origin of Indian Astrology. I hope you will put such chauvinist works in proper perspectives. > > -VJ > ======================= === > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 4:18:56 AM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! > > RR > > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > Dear list > > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > > best wishes > > M > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Hi Rohini In Brihat Jataka Varamihira does talk about nodes in natal chart....he says if ''The Sun and Mars occupy 4th house from the asc; Saturn occupies the rising sign, Rahu the 12th house and other planets the 8th a person born in the above yoga will live for 2,000 years'' Has anyone got a chart like this that we know of............:-) best wishes M - Rohiniranjan Friday, June 05, 2009 11:48 PM Re: True or mean Rahu There is something interesting about Varahamihira's writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! RR , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Dear list > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > best wishes > M > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Sir, Rashi has no connection to Rahu or Shikhi. There are three references to Rahu in Brihat Jataka : In BJ-ii-3, names of Rahu are mentioned, which I refereed to in previous mail. In Chapter 23 Anishtadhyaya (misfortunes), Stanza 12: " If Moon when occupying the lagna is eclipsed by Rahu, and evil planets are found in trines, Sun is eclipsed and occupies the lagna, the person becomes blind. " It uses the those synonyms of rahu which are mentioned inBJ-ii-3. BJ-xii-12 cited above is a proof of Varaha Mihira's acceptance of Rahu as a potent planet as far as phalita is concerned. His Brihat Samhitaa gives details of astrological effects of Rahu over territories and countries, which are related to phalita (predictive astrology). In Ganita, he never excluded Rahu (cf. PanchSiddhantika). Thibaut, the famous translator and commentator of PanchSiddhantika, said that computations of eclipses was the chief concern of varaha Mihira in writing PanchSiddhantika. Eclipses are related to Rahu and Ketu, whose importance Varaha Mihira acknowledges in all his Siddhaanta(Ganita), Hora and Samhittaa texts. In my view, whole of ancient texts have not survived, hence we do not find a fuller treatment of many important things in those texts by ancient masters.BJ-xii-12 cited above proves that the phalita effect of Rahu was known to Varaha Mihira. But other phalita effects of Rahu are not mentioned in this text whose title is " Great " Jaataka. It is foolish to conclude that Varaha Mihira knew only only one phalita effect of Rahu. Perhaps his book could not be transmitted and preserved in its entirety. ################################################ Many important items, like vimshottari dashaa, are absetnt in Varaha mihira's work but are described by his son, which proves that portions of Varaha Mihira's texts are lost. Horaashaastra of his son Prityusha mentions nodes repeatedly. Following is the EXHAUSTIVE list of all occurrences of the term " Rahu " in Prityusha's Horaashaastra : " The eight quarters commencing from the East are serially lorded by Surya, Sukr, Mangal, Rahu, Sani, Candr, Budh and Guru. These quarters have strength at all times. " " Surya, Guru and Man?gal are masculine Grahas, while Rahu, Sukr and Candr belong to female group. Sani and Budh are eunuchs. " " Brahmins are presided by Guru and Sukr. The royal lot is ruled by Man?gal. Candr is Vaisya. Budh is of mixed breed. Sani is considered to be a Sudra (4th caste), while Rahu is an outcaste (5th caste). Rahu, Sani, Ketu, Surya, Mangal and the dark fortnight Candr are malefics. Budh, Guru, Sukr and waxing Candr are said to be benefics. Budh and Sukr have Rajo Gun, while Guru, Surya and Candr are Sattvic Grahas. Man?gal, Sani and Rahu possess Tamo Gun. " " Mandi, the son of Sani, has many colours. Rahu’s colour is dark collyrium (blue mix). Although the Rasis have pleasing colours, these are changed according to the occupants. " " The age of Guru is 30, that of Sukr is 16, that of Surya is 50 and that of Candr is 70. Rahu is 100. " Synonyms : " Rahu is indicated, as Tamas, Asura, Swarbhanu, Vidhuntuda, Pata, Sainhikeya, Bhujanga and Ahi.Ketu is called Sikhin, Dhvaja, Dhum, Mrityu Putr and Anala. " " The strength of Maìgal is double of Sani’s. Budh is four times stronger than Budh. Guru is eight times stronger than Budh. Sukr has eight times more strength than that of Guru. Candr is sixteen times stronger than Sukr, Surya has twice the strength of Candr and Rahu’s strength is twice of Surya’s and hence Rahu is the strongest of the Grahas. " " Rahu is strong in the South, i. e., when he is on the meridian of the horoscope. " " The following combinations (at the time of intercourse) lead to birth of a female issue: a) Candr and Sukr together in Putr, or Karm Bhava; b) Candr and Sukr in their own Rasis and, or Navamsh; c) Rahu rising and receiving a Drishti from Candr, or vice versa. d) Sukr in Candr’s Hora, or in Kendr from Lagn. " " if Rahu is in Labh Bhava in first Dreshkan, denoting right ear, he can cause either deafness, or an ulcer of right ear.. " " Should the 7th from Candr be occupied by Mangal and Surya, while Rahu is in Lagn, death of the child may be expected within ten days of birth.. " " If the lord of Lagn is in Marana Pada along with the decreasing Candrin the company of Rahu, or aspected by Rahu, the native dies in his seventh year. " " If Candr is weak and aspected by Rahu associated with malefics, or, if the Lagn Lord (or Candr Rasi lord) has set in (i.e. the 7th from Lagn), or occupies the 8th, the child lives upto its 6th, or 8th year " " The Lagn lord with Rahu in the 7th brings death in 21 years, or 21 months, or (even) in 21days. " " Should malefics occupy Dhan and Vyaya Bhava along with Guru and Rahu and Candr arein Yuvati, or Randhr Bhava, the longevity of the person is not above thirty. " " Should a malefic set along with Surya (i.e. being in Yuvati Bhava from Lagn only and not in the 7th Bhava from Candr) and be yuti with Rahu and Guru, while Candr is in Ari, or Randhr Bhava, the life span is 30. " " Surya and Candr yuti with Rahu will cause death at the age of 28. It is more certain, ifGuru is also in Vyaya Bhava. " " If Guru receives a Drishti from Sani, or is yuti with Rahu and a malefic is in Lagn, whileRandhr Bhava is occupied, the life span is only 22. " " Deduction for Grahas in combustion, inimical Bhavas and the visible half, that are involved in war between Grahas, or, that are close to Rahu etc., should be made only after being suitably taught by a Guru. " Dasha Effect : " During a sub-period of Rahu Dasha, when Rahu is placed between (malefic) Grahas, there will be extreme grief for 2 years. Should a sub-period and an inter-sub-period be of two mutually inimical Grahas, one will be deprived of his relations and suffer from diseases. Even though a Grah by nature be auspicious, it yields only inauspicious results, if it is in the company of Rahu. In the end of such Dasha, one will be exposed to diseases griefand displacement. " " The Dasha of Randhr’s lord posited in a Kendr will prove auspicious. Should he be, while being so, eclipsed, or yuti with Rahu, according to the wise, death is inflicted upon thenative. " " In the way explained above process add the Navamshas of Rahu and Lagn on the one hand and Maìgal and Lagn on the other hand. The years indicated thus will cause some accident, wound by weapons, tiredness, grief etc. Thus, Navamsh arrived similarly between an auspicious Grah and Lagn will give good results like, sons, wealth, happiness etc. in particular years without any doubt. " " If Rahu is in Lagn, the effects of theDasha will be marred. " " If the luminaries (i.e. Surya and Candr) are yuti with Rahu, then their sub-period is increased by another half. In such case, Surya and Candr give such results, like Sani and none else. This is the view of some earlier writers. " " Lagn Dasha results will be similar to its lord. The Dasha Bhukti of Rahu will be, like that of Sani. During Rahu Bhukti in the Dasha of Surya, or Candr, or Man gal, or Sani, death will happen. Similar is the effecting Rahu Dasha, when the Antar Dasha is that of Surya, or Candr, or Man gal, or Sani. In other Dashas, or Bhuktis, i.e. contrary to the said order,there will be mixed results by Rahu. " " The Dasha of the lord of Rahu’s Navamsh may cause death of the native in a Bhukti whose lord is inimical to him. " " The Sphutas of Guru and Rahu at birth should be added. When Guru in transit comes to the Rasi thus revealed, or, when Guru is in Kon in transit to such Rasi, death of thenative will happen. " " The longitude of Surya must be changed into minutes of arc and multiplied by Rahu’s longitude converted into minutes. The product should be divided by 21600 and the quotient etc. should be added to the longitude of Surya at birth. Should Surya in transit arrive such a Rasi, or its Konas, death of the native will occur. This is Chanakya’s schoolof thought. " " Should Man gal and Sani be in a Kendr, Rahu in Lagn, while benefics are in Vyaya, or Ari Bhava, Chandal Yog is formed. This Yog will make one shun the duties prescribed for the family he succeeds. If Budh, Sukr and Candr are relegated to Kendras, while Rahu is rising, again ChandalYog is produced. The person, who has such Yog will take to mean acts.. " 'If Candr is shadowed by Rahu and is placed in Vyaya Bhava along with a malefic, the native will become insane, tend to quarrel, or be irritated. " " Should Surya and Rahu be in Yuvati Bhava, the lady will have many husbands. If a malefic is in Yuvati Bhava without strength and benefic Drishti, she will be given up by her husband and, if the said Grah be also in depression, she will be inimical to her husband. " " If there are malefics in the Konas from Lagn, or from Candr, or, if Rahu is in Randhr Bhava, death will be caused by hanging. If Surya and Rahu are in Lagn, while Candr is in Ari/Randhr Bhava and malefics are posited in Vyaya Bhava, death will take place through poison, or weapon. If Rahu is placed in Bandhu, or Randhr Bhava and receives a Drishti from the lord of Randhr Bhava, or, if Randhr Bhava is occupied by malefic, or receives a Drishti from such a Grah, death is indicated by poison, weapon, or fire. Death by hanging is indicated, if Surya is in Yuvati Bhava along with Rahu, or Ketu, while Sukr is in Randhr Bhava. " " Should Budh and his Rasi ascend, one will assume the kind of a brutal animal. Should Sani, or Rahu ascend, or, if Sani’s Rasi is Lagn, the person is destined to take rebirth, as a devil etc. " " The Dasha periods, in the scheme of Nakshatr Dasha, otherwise known, as Udu Dasha, or Vimshottari Dasha, are: 6, 10, 7, 18, 16, 19, 17, 7 and 20 years, respectively, for Surya, Candr, Mangal, Rahu, Guru, Sani, Budh, Ketu and Sukr. These Dashas are lorded by the Grahas in the above order, counted from the Nakshatr Kritika. " " During the conclusion of the Dashas of Surya, Man gal, Sani and Rahu, there will be diseases, destruction of wealth, disputes and evil incidents. " " Rahu’s (dashaa) effects will be, like Sani’s. " ################################################ ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani Saturday, June 6, 2009 10:39:18 AM Re: True or mean Rahu It was a western astrologer turned jyotishi originating in a nordic country that used to frequent the Jyotish-List some two decades ago who used to make that point and also spoke about the " sophisticated " navamsa. This was just prior to the advent of Sanjay Rath and his students who went beyond and brought to the hungry jyotish crowds the nine yards about other vargas and other dashas and so on. The rest is modern history! It is good of you to give the reference that is also in Dr. Saraswathy's edition that I have here handy and thank you for pointing it out to me! Did Varahamihira take it any further in Vrihata Jataka and pronounce some of the effects that the nativities may experience due to RAhu SHIkhi? You reminded me of our dear Tatvamasi Ji who wrote that RA-SHI had reference to the lunar nodes (RAhu and SHIkhi or ketu)! Please do not take this literally -- I am just recollecting! RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > Rohini Da, > > I do not know who started propagating the modern myth that nodes are not mentioned in Varaha mihira's Brihat-Jaataka ; this work says ; > > " Raahustamoagurasur ashcha Shikhiti Ketuh paryaayam... . " (chapter-2, verse-3) > > Which means " the synonyms of Raahu are Tama and Agu, while of Ketu is Shikhi " .. > > > The ancient commentary of Varaha Mihira's Brihat-Jaataka by Bhatta Utpala also mentions the same in the commentary of this verse, and gives additional synonyms of nodes. The words " Raahu " and " Ketu " are mentioned in all works of Varaha Mihira, like Brihat-Jaataka, Brihat-Samhitaa, Panch-siddhaantikaa . > > There are certain astrological processes in which nodes are not needed, in Brihat-Jaataka as well as in BPHS. In a few processes, even Sun and Moon are omitted, eg, five elements are related to five planets only in BPHS(Fire, Earth, etc, BPHS, chapter-3, verse-21) , which cannot be cited out of context to prove that Sun and Moon were absent in BPHS. > > Nodes needed to be excluded from Indian Astrology in order to prove a Greek origin of Indian Astrology. I hope you will put such chauvinist works in proper perspectives. > > -VJ > ============ ========= == === > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 4:18:56 AM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! > > RR > > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > Dear list > > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > > best wishes > > M > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 The electronic version of Brihat Jataka does not contain the stanza margie9 is referring to. Chapter-7 (Longevity) of the printed version also does not contain it. Chapter number and verse number should be mentioned by margie9 for facilitating the task of searching. Brihat Jataka says (xxv-2): " If Sun and Mars occupy the 4th or 10th, death will be caused by stones. " Saturn in Lagna is also an inauspicious combination, and so are Rahu in 12th and rest in 8th. When all evil combinations come together, will the effect be ~17 times more auspicious ?? -VJ ====================== === ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Saturday, June 6, 2009 12:37:00 PM Re: Re: True or mean Rahu Hi Rohini In Brihat Jataka Varamihira does talk about nodes in natal chart....he says if ''The Sun and Mars occupy 4th house from the asc; Saturn occupies the rising sign, Rahu the 12th house and other planets the 8th a person born in the above yoga will live for 2,000 years'' Has anyone got a chart like this that we know of.......... ..:-) best wishes M - Rohiniranjan Friday, June 05, 2009 11:48 PM Re: True or mean Rahu There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! RR , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Dear list > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > best wishes > M > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Thanks Marg. It is good to know that and also Vinay Ji's valuable quoted citation (can you share yours too now that you have found it for us all ;-)). This is how discussions should proceed without turning into a shouting match and getting abusive ;-) This is how we all learn and re-learn. The point though still remains that unlike BPHS, for example, which has many many references to the nodes, Brihat Jataka is strikingly quiet on the matter of utilizing the nodes in natal horoscopy. Would you not agree? Why was this so?? RR , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Hi Rohini > In Brihat Jataka Varamihira does talk about nodes in natal chart....he says if ''The Sun and Mars occupy 4th house from the asc; Saturn occupies the rising sign, Rahu the 12th house and other planets the 8th a person born in the above yoga will live for 2,000 years'' > Has anyone got a chart like this that we know of............:-) > best wishes > M > > - > Rohiniranjan > > Friday, June 05, 2009 11:48 PM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > There is something interesting about Varahamihira's writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! > > RR > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > Dear list > > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > > best wishes > > M > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, This is a very good post! Thanks!! There was never any question about Varahamihira being aware of the lunar nodes, just that he did not seem to take those into a lot of consideration in natal horoscopy. Why? RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Sir, > > Rashi has no connection to Rahu or Shikhi. > > There are three references to Rahu in Brihat Jataka : > > In BJ-ii-3, names of Rahu are mentioned, which I refereed to in previous mail. > > In Chapter 23 Anishtadhyaya (misfortunes), Stanza 12: " If Moon when occupying the lagna is eclipsed by Rahu, and evil planets are found in trines, Sun is eclipsed and occupies the lagna, the person becomes blind. " > > It uses the those synonyms of rahu which are mentioned inBJ-ii-3. > > BJ-xii-12 cited above is a proof of Varaha Mihira's acceptance of Rahu as a potent planet as far as phalita is concerned. His Brihat Samhitaa gives details of astrological effects of Rahu over territories and countries, which are related to phalita (predictive astrology). > > In Ganita, he never excluded Rahu (cf. PanchSiddhantika). Thibaut, the famous translator and commentator of PanchSiddhantika, said that computations of eclipses was the chief concern of varaha Mihira in writing PanchSiddhantika. Eclipses are related to Rahu and Ketu, whose importance Varaha Mihira acknowledges in all his Siddhaanta(Ganita), Hora and Samhittaa texts. > > In my view, whole of ancient texts have not survived, hence we do not find a fuller treatment of many important things in those texts by ancient masters.BJ-xii-12 cited above proves that the phalita effect of Rahu was known to Varaha Mihira. But other phalita effects of Rahu are not mentioned in this text whose title is " Great " Jaataka. It is foolish to conclude that Varaha Mihira knew only only one phalita effect of Rahu. Perhaps his book could not be transmitted and preserved in its entirety. > > ################################################ > > Many important items, like vimshottari dashaa, are absetnt in Varaha mihira's work but are described by his son, which proves that portions of Varaha Mihira's texts are lost. Horaashaastra of his son Prityusha mentions nodes repeatedly. Following is the EXHAUSTIVE list of all occurrences of the term " Rahu " in Prityusha's Horaashaastra : > > " The eight quarters commencing from the East are serially lorded by Surya, Sukr, Mangal, Rahu, Sani, Candr, Budh and Guru. These quarters have strength at all times. " > > " Surya, Guru and Man?gal are masculine Grahas, while Rahu, Sukr and Candr belong to female group. Sani and Budh are eunuchs. " > > > " Brahmins are presided by Guru and Sukr. The royal lot is ruled by Man?gal. Candr is Vaisya. Budh is of mixed breed. Sani is considered to be a Sudra (4th caste), while Rahu is an outcaste (5th caste). Rahu, Sani, Ketu, Surya, Mangal and the dark fortnight Candr are malefics. Budh, Guru, Sukr and waxing Candr are said to be benefics. Budh and Sukr have Rajo Gun, while Guru, Surya and Candr are Sattvic Grahas. Man?gal, Sani and Rahu possess Tamo Gun. " > > " Mandi, the son of Sani, has many colours. Rahu’s colour is dark collyrium (blue mix). Although the Rasis have pleasing colours, these are changed according to the occupants. " > > " The age of Guru is 30, that of Sukr is 16, that of Surya is 50 and that of Candr is 70. Rahu is 100. " > > Synonyms : " Rahu is indicated, as Tamas, Asura, Swarbhanu, Vidhuntuda, Pata, Sainhikeya, Bhujanga and Ahi.Ketu is called Sikhin, Dhvaja, Dhum, Mrityu Putr and Anala. " > > " The strength of Maìgal is double of Sani’s. Budh is four times stronger than Budh. Guru is eight times stronger than Budh. Sukr has eight times more strength than that of Guru. Candr is sixteen times stronger than Sukr, Surya has twice the strength of Candr and Rahu’s strength is twice of Surya’s and hence Rahu is the strongest of the Grahas. " > > " Rahu is strong in the South, i. e., when he is on the meridian of the horoscope. " > > " The following combinations (at the time of intercourse) lead to birth of a female issue: a) Candr and Sukr together in Putr, or Karm Bhava; b) Candr and Sukr in their own Rasis and, or Navamsh; c) Rahu rising and receiving a Drishti from Candr, or vice versa. d) Sukr in Candr’s Hora, or in Kendr from Lagn. " > > " if Rahu is in Labh Bhava in first Dreshkan, denoting right ear, he can > cause either deafness, or an ulcer of right ear.. " > > " Should the 7th from Candr be occupied by Mangal and Surya, while Rahu is in Lagn, death of the child may be expected within ten days of birth.. " > > " If the lord of Lagn is in Marana Pada along with the decreasing Candrin the company of Rahu, or aspected by Rahu, the native dies in his seventh year. " > > " If Candr is weak and aspected by Rahu associated with malefics, or, if the Lagn Lord (or Candr Rasi lord) has set in (i.e. the 7th from Lagn), or occupies the 8th, the child lives upto its 6th, or 8th year " > > " The Lagn lord with Rahu in the 7th brings death in 21 years, or 21 months, or (even) in 21days. " > > " Should malefics occupy Dhan and Vyaya Bhava along with Guru and Rahu and Candr arein Yuvati, or Randhr Bhava, the longevity of the person is not above thirty. " > > " Should a malefic set along with Surya (i.e. being in Yuvati Bhava from Lagn only and not in the 7th Bhava from Candr) and be yuti with Rahu and Guru, while Candr is in Ari, or Randhr Bhava, the life span is 30. " > > " Surya and Candr yuti with Rahu will cause death at the age of 28. It is more certain, ifGuru is also in Vyaya Bhava. " > > " If Guru receives a Drishti from Sani, or is yuti with Rahu and a malefic is in Lagn, whileRandhr Bhava is occupied, the life span is only 22. " > > " Deduction for Grahas in combustion, inimical Bhavas and the visible half, that are involved in war between Grahas, or, that are close to Rahu etc., should be made only after being suitably taught by a Guru. " > > Dasha Effect : > " During a sub-period of Rahu Dasha, when Rahu is placed between (malefic) Grahas, there will be extreme grief for 2 years. Should a sub-period and an inter-sub-period be of two mutually inimical Grahas, one will be deprived of his relations and suffer from diseases. Even though a Grah by nature be auspicious, it yields only inauspicious results, if it is in the company of Rahu. In the end of such Dasha, one will be exposed to diseases griefand displacement. " > > " The Dasha of Randhr’s lord posited in a Kendr will prove auspicious. Should he be, while being so, eclipsed, or yuti with Rahu, according to the wise, death is inflicted upon thenative. " > > " In the way explained above process add the Navamshas of Rahu and Lagn on the one hand and Maìgal and Lagn on the other hand. The years indicated thus will cause some accident, wound by weapons, tiredness, grief etc. Thus, Navamsh arrived similarly between an auspicious Grah and Lagn will give good results like, sons, wealth, happiness etc. in particular years without any doubt. " > > " If Rahu is in Lagn, the effects of theDasha will be marred. " > > " If the luminaries (i.e. Surya and Candr) are yuti with Rahu, then their sub-period is increased by another half. In such case, Surya and Candr give such results, like Sani and none else. This is the view of some earlier writers. " > > " Lagn Dasha results will be similar to its lord. The Dasha Bhukti of Rahu will be, like that of Sani. During Rahu Bhukti in the Dasha of Surya, or Candr, or Man gal, or Sani, death will happen. Similar is the effecting Rahu Dasha, when the Antar Dasha is that of Surya, or Candr, or Man gal, or Sani. In other Dashas, or Bhuktis, i.e. contrary to the said order,there will be mixed results by Rahu. " > > " The Dasha of the lord of Rahu’s Navamsh may cause death of the native in a Bhukti whose lord is inimical to him. " > > " The Sphutas of Guru and Rahu at birth should be added. When Guru in transit comes to the Rasi thus revealed, or, when Guru is in Kon in transit to such Rasi, death of thenative will happen. " > > " The longitude of Surya must be changed into minutes of arc and multiplied by Rahu’s longitude converted into minutes. The product should be divided by 21600 and the quotient etc. should be added to the longitude of Surya at birth. Should Surya in transit arrive such a Rasi, or its Konas, death of the native will occur. This is Chanakya’s schoolof thought. " > > " Should Man gal and Sani be in a Kendr, Rahu in Lagn, while benefics are in Vyaya, or Ari Bhava, Chandal Yog is formed. This Yog will make one shun the duties prescribed for the family he succeeds. If Budh, Sukr and Candr are relegated to Kendras, while Rahu is rising, again ChandalYog is produced. The person, who has such Yog will take to mean acts.. " > > 'If Candr is shadowed by Rahu and is placed in Vyaya Bhava along with a malefic, the native will become insane, tend to quarrel, or be irritated. " > > " Should Surya and Rahu be in Yuvati Bhava, the lady will have many husbands. If a malefic is in Yuvati Bhava without strength and benefic Drishti, she will be given up by her husband and, if the said Grah be also in depression, she will be inimical to her husband. " > > " If there are malefics in the Konas from Lagn, or from Candr, or, if Rahu is in > Randhr Bhava, death will be caused by hanging. If Surya and Rahu are in Lagn, while Candr is in Ari/Randhr Bhava and malefics are posited in Vyaya Bhava, death will take place through poison, or weapon. If Rahu is placed in Bandhu, or Randhr Bhava and receives a Drishti from the lord of Randhr Bhava, or, if Randhr Bhava is occupied by malefic, or receives a Drishti from such a Grah, death is indicated by poison, weapon, or fire. Death by hanging is indicated, if Surya is in Yuvati Bhava along with Rahu, or Ketu, while Sukr is in Randhr Bhava. " > > " Should Budh and his Rasi ascend, one will assume the kind of a brutal animal. Should Sani, or Rahu ascend, or, if Sani’s Rasi is Lagn, the person is destined to take rebirth, as a devil etc. " > > " The Dasha periods, in the scheme of Nakshatr Dasha, otherwise known, as Udu Dasha, or Vimshottari Dasha, are: 6, 10, 7, 18, 16, 19, 17, 7 and 20 years, respectively, for Surya, Candr, Mangal, Rahu, Guru, Sani, Budh, Ketu and Sukr. These Dashas are lorded by the Grahas in the above order, counted from the Nakshatr Kritika. " > > " During the conclusion of the Dashas of Surya, Man gal, Sani and Rahu, there will be diseases, destruction of wealth, disputes and evil incidents. " > > " Rahu’s (dashaa) effects will be, like Sani’s. " > > ################################################ > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 10:39:18 AM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > It was a western astrologer turned jyotishi originating in a nordic country that used to frequent the Jyotish-List some two decades ago who used to make that point and also spoke about the " sophisticated " navamsa. This was just prior to the advent of Sanjay Rath and his students who went beyond and brought to the hungry jyotish crowds the nine yards about other vargas and other dashas and so on. The rest is modern history! > > It is good of you to give the reference that is also in Dr. Saraswathy's edition that I have here handy and thank you for pointing it out to me! > > Did Varahamihira take it any further in Vrihata Jataka and pronounce some of the effects that the nativities may experience due to RAhu SHIkhi? > > You reminded me of our dear Tatvamasi Ji who wrote that RA-SHI had reference to the lunar nodes (RAhu and SHIkhi or ketu)! Please do not take this literally -- I am just recollecting! > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > I do not know who started propagating the modern myth that nodes are not mentioned in Varaha mihira's Brihat-Jaataka ; this work says ; > > > > " Raahustamoagurasur ashcha Shikhiti Ketuh paryaayam... . " (chapter-2, verse-3) > > > > Which means " the synonyms of Raahu are Tama and Agu, while of Ketu is Shikhi " .. > > > > > > The ancient commentary of Varaha Mihira's Brihat-Jaataka by Bhatta Utpala also mentions the same in the commentary of this verse, and gives additional synonyms of nodes. The words " Raahu " and " Ketu " are mentioned in all works of Varaha Mihira, like Brihat-Jaataka, Brihat-Samhitaa, Panch-siddhaantikaa . > > > > There are certain astrological processes in which nodes are not needed, in Brihat-Jaataka as well as in BPHS. In a few processes, even Sun and Moon are omitted, eg, five elements are related to five planets only in BPHS(Fire, Earth, etc, BPHS, chapter-3, verse-21) , which cannot be cited out of context to prove that Sun and Moon were absent in BPHS. > > > > Nodes needed to be excluded from Indian Astrology in order to prove a Greek origin of Indian Astrology. I hope you will put such chauvinist works in proper perspectives. > > > > -VJ > > ============ ========= == === > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 4:18:56 AM > > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! > > > > RR > > > > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear list > > > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > > > best wishes > > > M > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Rohini Da, Brihat Jataka is not quiet on the matter of utilizing the nodes in natal horoscopy. I have already sent one clear evidence from Brihat Jataka itself. It is , however, intriguing that Varaha Mihira's son wrote much more about predictive results of nodes, vimshottari dashaa, etc, than his father !! Vimshottarimeand 120. Varah Mihira talks of 120 years and 5 days as the maximum limit od dashas, but does not say anything about the details of vimshottari system. If it is taken as a " proof " of the invention of vimshottariafter him, then his son must be the inventor of vimshottari, and BPHS must be put around 800 AD as many western scholars are doing. but this line of thinking must credit Varah Mihir's son as the inventor of a lot of concepts and processes in Jyotisha which were not mentioned by his famous father. Why the ancients, however, do not give any credit to Varah Mihira's son for inventing anything ? If BPHS was composed around 800 AD, why the author of Mahaasiddhanta wrote about the same time that his siddhanta was based upon the forgotten siddhanta of Sage Parashara? The only plausible explanation is that many portions of Brihat Jatak have been lost. -VJ ======================== === ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani Sunday, June 7, 2009 6:52:27 AM Re: True or mean Rahu Thanks Marg. It is good to know that and also Vinay Ji's valuable quoted citation (can you share yours too now that you have found it for us all ;-)). This is how discussions should proceed without turning into a shouting match and getting abusive ;-) This is how we all learn and re-learn. The point though still remains that unlike BPHS, for example, which has many many references to the nodes, Brihat Jataka is strikingly quiet on the matter of utilizing the nodes in natal horoscopy. Would you not agree? Why was this so?? RR , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Hi Rohini > In Brihat Jataka Varamihira does talk about nodes in natal chart....he says if ''The Sun and Mars occupy 4th house from the asc; Saturn occupies the rising sign, Rahu the 12th house and other planets the 8th a person born in the above yoga will live for 2,000 years'' > Has anyone got a chart like this that we know of.......... ..:-) > best wishes > M > > - > Rohiniranjan > > Friday, June 05, 2009 11:48 PM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! > > RR > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > Dear list > > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > > best wishes > > M > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Sir, Brihat Jataks ,Chapter 23 Anishtadhyaya (misfortunes) , Stanza 12: " If Moon when occupying the lagna is eclipsed by Rahu, and evil planets are found in trines, Sun is eclipsed and occupies the lagna, the person becomes blind. " It proves that Varah Mihira acknowledged the role of nodes in natal horoscopy. The fact that " he did not seem to take those into a lot of consideration in natal horoscopy " can only be ascribed to lost portions of his " Great Jataka " , which contains not even one percent of predictive role of nodes in natal horoscopy as described by his son who compiled a " Not-Great " jataka. Brihat Jataks must have been a really Brihat text, only some portions now extant. -VJ ====================== === ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani Sunday, June 7, 2009 7:15:34 AM Re: True or mean Rahu Dear Vinay ji, This is a very good post! Thanks!! There was never any question about Varahamihira being aware of the lunar nodes, just that he did not seem to take those into a lot of consideration in natal horoscopy. Why? RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > Sir, > > Rashi has no connection to Rahu or Shikhi. > > There are three references to Rahu in Brihat Jataka : > > In BJ-ii-3, names of Rahu are mentioned, which I refereed to in previous mail. > > In Chapter 23 Anishtadhyaya (misfortunes) , Stanza 12: " If Moon when occupying the lagna is eclipsed by Rahu, and evil planets are found in trines, Sun is eclipsed and occupies the lagna, the person becomes blind. " > > It uses the those synonyms of rahu which are mentioned inBJ-ii-3. > > BJ-xii-12 cited above is a proof of Varaha Mihira's acceptance of Rahu as a potent planet as far as phalita is concerned. His Brihat Samhitaa gives details of astrological effects of Rahu over territories and countries, which are related to phalita (predictive astrology). > > In Ganita, he never excluded Rahu (cf. PanchSiddhantika) . Thibaut, the famous translator and commentator of PanchSiddhantika, said that computations of eclipses was the chief concern of varaha Mihira in writing PanchSiddhantika. Eclipses are related to Rahu and Ketu, whose importance Varaha Mihira acknowledges in all his Siddhaanta(Ganita) , Hora and Samhittaa texts. > > In my view, whole of ancient texts have not survived, hence we do not find a fuller treatment of many important things in those texts by ancient masters.BJ-xii- 12 cited above proves that the phalita effect of Rahu was known to Varaha Mihira. But other phalita effects of Rahu are not mentioned in this text whose title is " Great " Jaataka. It is foolish to conclude that Varaha Mihira knew only only one phalita effect of Rahu. Perhaps his book could not be transmitted and preserved in its entirety. > > ############ ######### ######### ######### ######### > > Many important items, like vimshottari dashaa, are absetnt in Varaha mihira's work but are described by his son, which proves that portions of Varaha Mihira's texts are lost. Horaashaastra of his son Prityusha mentions nodes repeatedly. Following is the EXHAUSTIVE list of all occurrences of the term " Rahu " in Prityusha's Horaashaastra : > > " The eight quarters commencing from the East are serially lorded by Surya, Sukr, Mangal, Rahu, Sani, Candr, Budh and Guru. These quarters have strength at all times. " > > " Surya, Guru and Man?gal are masculine Grahas, while Rahu, Sukr and Candr belong to female group. Sani and Budh are eunuchs. " > > > " Brahmins are presided by Guru and Sukr. The royal lot is ruled by Man?gal. Candr is Vaisya. Budh is of mixed breed. Sani is considered to be a Sudra (4th caste), while Rahu is an outcaste (5th caste). Rahu, Sani, Ketu, Surya, Mangal and the dark fortnight Candr are malefics. Budh, Guru, Sukr and waxing Candr are said to be benefics. Budh and Sukr have Rajo Gun, while Guru, Surya and Candr are Sattvic Grahas. Man?gal, Sani and Rahu possess Tamo Gun. " > > " Mandi, the son of Sani, has many colours. Rahu’s colour is dark collyrium (blue mix). Although the Rasis have pleasing colours, these are changed according to the occupants. " > > " The age of Guru is 30, that of Sukr is 16, that of Surya is 50 and that of Candr is 70. Rahu is 100. " > > Synonyms : " Rahu is indicated, as Tamas, Asura, Swarbhanu, Vidhuntuda, Pata, Sainhikeya, Bhujanga and Ahi.Ketu is called Sikhin, Dhvaja, Dhum, Mrityu Putr and Anala. " > > " The strength of Maìgal is double of Sani’s. Budh is four times stronger than Budh. Guru is eight times stronger than Budh. Sukr has eight times more strength than that of Guru. Candr is sixteen times stronger than Sukr, Surya has twice the strength of Candr and Rahu’s strength is twice of Surya’s and hence Rahu is the strongest of the Grahas. " > > " Rahu is strong in the South, i. e., when he is on the meridian of the horoscope. " > > " The following combinations (at the time of intercourse) lead to birth of a female issue: a) Candr and Sukr together in Putr, or Karm Bhava; b) Candr and Sukr in their own Rasis and, or Navamsh; c) Rahu rising and receiving a Drishti from Candr, or vice versa. d) Sukr in Candr’s Hora, or in Kendr from Lagn. " > > " if Rahu is in Labh Bhava in first Dreshkan, denoting right ear, he can > cause either deafness, or an ulcer of right ear.. " > > " Should the 7th from Candr be occupied by Mangal and Surya, while Rahu is in Lagn, death of the child may be expected within ten days of birth.. " > > " If the lord of Lagn is in Marana Pada along with the decreasing Candrin the company of Rahu, or aspected by Rahu, the native dies in his seventh year. " > > " If Candr is weak and aspected by Rahu associated with malefics, or, if the Lagn Lord (or Candr Rasi lord) has set in (i.e. the 7th from Lagn), or occupies the 8th, the child lives upto its 6th, or 8th year " > > " The Lagn lord with Rahu in the 7th brings death in 21 years, or 21 months, or (even) in 21days. " > > " Should malefics occupy Dhan and Vyaya Bhava along with Guru and Rahu and Candr arein Yuvati, or Randhr Bhava, the longevity of the person is not above thirty. " > > " Should a malefic set along with Surya (i.e. being in Yuvati Bhava from Lagn only and not in the 7th Bhava from Candr) and be yuti with Rahu and Guru, while Candr is in Ari, or Randhr Bhava, the life span is 30. " > > " Surya and Candr yuti with Rahu will cause death at the age of 28. It is more certain, ifGuru is also in Vyaya Bhava.. " > > " If Guru receives a Drishti from Sani, or is yuti with Rahu and a malefic is in Lagn, whileRandhr Bhava is occupied, the life span is only 22. " > > " Deduction for Grahas in combustion, inimical Bhavas and the visible half, that are involved in war between Grahas, or, that are close to Rahu etc., should be made only after being suitably taught by a Guru. " > > Dasha Effect : > " During a sub-period of Rahu Dasha, when Rahu is placed between (malefic) Grahas, there will be extreme grief for 2 years.. Should a sub-period and an inter-sub-period be of two mutually inimical Grahas, one will be deprived of his relations and suffer from diseases. Even though a Grah by nature be auspicious, it yields only inauspicious results, if it is in the company of Rahu. In the end of such Dasha, one will be exposed to diseases griefand displacement. " > > " The Dasha of Randhr’s lord posited in a Kendr will prove auspicious. Should he be, while being so, eclipsed, or yuti with Rahu, according to the wise, death is inflicted upon thenative. " > > " In the way explained above process add the Navamshas of Rahu and Lagn on the one hand and Maìgal and Lagn on the other hand. The years indicated thus will cause some accident, wound by weapons, tiredness, grief etc. Thus, Navamsh arrived similarly between an auspicious Grah and Lagn will give good results like, sons, wealth, happiness etc. in particular years without any doubt. " > > " If Rahu is in Lagn, the effects of theDasha will be marred. " > > " If the luminaries (i.e. Surya and Candr) are yuti with Rahu, then their sub-period is increased by another half. In such case, Surya and Candr give such results, like Sani and none else. This is the view of some earlier writers.. " > > " Lagn Dasha results will be similar to its lord. The Dasha Bhukti of Rahu will be, like that of Sani. During Rahu Bhukti in the Dasha of Surya, or Candr, or Man gal, or Sani, death will happen. Similar is the effecting Rahu Dasha, when the Antar Dasha is that of Surya, or Candr, or Man gal, or Sani. In other Dashas, or Bhuktis, i.e. contrary to the said order,there will be mixed results by Rahu. " > > " The Dasha of the lord of Rahu’s Navamsh may cause death of the native in a Bhukti whose lord is inimical to him. " > > " The Sphutas of Guru and Rahu at birth should be added. When Guru in transit comes to the Rasi thus revealed, or, when Guru is in Kon in transit to such Rasi, death of thenative will happen. " > > " The longitude of Surya must be changed into minutes of arc and multiplied by Rahu’s longitude converted into minutes. The product should be divided by 21600 and the quotient etc. should be added to the longitude of Surya at birth. Should Surya in transit arrive such a Rasi, or its Konas, death of the native will occur. This is Chanakya’s schoolof thought. " > > " Should Man gal and Sani be in a Kendr, Rahu in Lagn, while benefics are in Vyaya, or Ari Bhava, Chandal Yog is formed. This Yog will make one shun the duties prescribed for the family he succeeds. If Budh, Sukr and Candr are relegated to Kendras, while Rahu is rising, again ChandalYog is produced. The person, who has such Yog will take to mean acts.. " > > 'If Candr is shadowed by Rahu and is placed in Vyaya Bhava along with a malefic, the native will become insane, tend to quarrel, or be irritated. " > > " Should Surya and Rahu be in Yuvati Bhava, the lady will have many husbands. If a malefic is in Yuvati Bhava without strength and benefic Drishti, she will be given up by her husband and, if the said Grah be also in depression, she will be inimical to her husband. " > > " If there are malefics in the Konas from Lagn, or from Candr, or, if Rahu is in > Randhr Bhava, death will be caused by hanging. If Surya and Rahu are in Lagn, while Candr is in Ari/Randhr Bhava and malefics are posited in Vyaya Bhava, death will take place through poison, or weapon. If Rahu is placed in Bandhu, or Randhr Bhava and receives a Drishti from the lord of Randhr Bhava, or, if Randhr Bhava is occupied by malefic, or receives a Drishti from such a Grah, death is indicated by poison, weapon, or fire. Death by hanging is indicated, if Surya is in Yuvati Bhava along with Rahu, or Ketu, while Sukr is in Randhr Bhava. " > > " Should Budh and his Rasi ascend, one will assume the kind of a brutal animal. Should Sani, or Rahu ascend, or, if Sani’s Rasi is Lagn, the person is destined to take rebirth, as a devil etc. " > > " The Dasha periods, in the scheme of Nakshatr Dasha, otherwise known, as Udu Dasha, or Vimshottari Dasha, are: 6, 10, 7, 18, 16, 19, 17, 7 and 20 years, respectively, for Surya, Candr, Mangal, Rahu, Guru, Sani, Budh, Ketu and Sukr. These Dashas are lorded by the Grahas in the above order, counted from the Nakshatr Kritika. " > > " During the conclusion of the Dashas of Surya, Man gal, Sani and Rahu, there will be diseases, destruction of wealth, disputes and evil incidents. " > > " Rahu’s (dashaa) effects will be, like Sani’s. " > > ############ ######### ######### ######### ######### > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 10:39:18 AM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > It was a western astrologer turned jyotishi originating in a nordic country that used to frequent the Jyotish-List some two decades ago who used to make that point and also spoke about the " sophisticated " navamsa. This was just prior to the advent of Sanjay Rath and his students who went beyond and brought to the hungry jyotish crowds the nine yards about other vargas and other dashas and so on. The rest is modern history! > > It is good of you to give the reference that is also in Dr. Saraswathy's edition that I have here handy and thank you for pointing it out to me! > > Did Varahamihira take it any further in Vrihata Jataka and pronounce some of the effects that the nativities may experience due to RAhu SHIkhi? > > You reminded me of our dear Tatvamasi Ji who wrote that RA-SHI had reference to the lunar nodes (RAhu and SHIkhi or ketu)! Please do not take this literally -- I am just recollecting! > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > I do not know who started propagating the modern myth that nodes are not mentioned in Varaha mihira's Brihat-Jaataka ; this work says ; > > > > " Raahustamoagurasur ashcha Shikhiti Ketuh paryaayam... . " (chapter-2, verse-3) > > > > Which means " the synonyms of Raahu are Tama and Agu, while of Ketu is Shikhi " .. > > > > > > The ancient commentary of Varaha Mihira's Brihat-Jaataka by Bhatta Utpala also mentions the same in the commentary of this verse, and gives additional synonyms of nodes. The words " Raahu " and " Ketu " are mentioned in all works of Varaha Mihira, like Brihat-Jaataka, Brihat-Samhitaa, Panch-siddhaantikaa . > > > > There are certain astrological processes in which nodes are not needed, in Brihat-Jaataka as well as in BPHS. In a few processes, even Sun and Moon are omitted, eg, five elements are related to five planets only in BPHS(Fire, Earth, etc, BPHS, chapter-3, verse-21) , which cannot be cited out of context to prove that Sun and Moon were absent in BPHS. > > > > Nodes needed to be excluded from Indian Astrology in order to prove a Greek origin of Indian Astrology. I hope you will put such chauvinist works in proper perspectives. > > > > -VJ > > ============ ========= == === > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 4:18:56 AM > > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! > > > > RR > > > > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear list > > > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > > > best wishes > > > M > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Not silent but simply quiet is all I said, Vinay (now that you have called me Dada! You may regret your decision! Eventually!!) I have absolutely no misgivings or any lack of trust in Jyotish! I have always spoken my mind out aloud, like the astrotreasures article on boloji. Jyotish, I have always believed-in is WAY LARGER than even Scriptures! I will just leave it at that... , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Rohini Da, > > Brihat Jataka is not quiet on the matter of utilizing the nodes in natal horoscopy. I have already sent one clear evidence from Brihat Jataka itself. > > It is , however, intriguing that Varaha Mihira's son wrote much more about predictive results of nodes, vimshottari dashaa, etc, than his father !! Vimshottarimeand 120. Varah Mihira talks of 120 years and 5 days as the maximum limit od dashas, but does not say anything about the details of vimshottari system. If it is taken as a " proof " of the invention of vimshottariafter him, then his son must be the inventor of vimshottari, and BPHS must be put around 800 AD as many western scholars are doing. but this line of thinking must credit Varah Mihir's son as the inventor of a lot of concepts and processes in Jyotisha which were not mentioned by his famous father. Why the ancients, however, do not give any credit to Varah Mihira's son for inventing anything ? > > If BPHS was composed around 800 AD, why the author of Mahaasiddhanta wrote about the same time that his siddhanta was based upon the forgotten siddhanta of Sage Parashara? > > The only plausible explanation is that many portions of Brihat Jatak have been lost. > > -VJ > ======================== === > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 6:52:27 AM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > Thanks Marg. It is good to know that and also Vinay Ji's valuable quoted citation (can you share yours too now that you have found it for us all ;-)). This is how discussions should proceed without turning into a shouting match and getting abusive ;-) This is how we all learn and re-learn. > > The point though still remains that unlike BPHS, for example, which has many many references to the nodes, Brihat Jataka is strikingly quiet on the matter of utilizing the nodes in natal horoscopy. > > Would you not agree? Why was this so?? > > RR > > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > Hi Rohini > > In Brihat Jataka Varamihira does talk about nodes in natal chart....he says if ''The Sun and Mars occupy 4th house from the asc; Saturn occupies the rising sign, Rahu the 12th house and other planets the 8th a person born in the above yoga will live for 2,000 years'' > > Has anyone got a chart like this that we know of.......... ..:-) > > best wishes > > M > > > > - > > Rohiniranjan > > > > Friday, June 05, 2009 11:48 PM > > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! > > > > RR > > > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear list > > > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > > > best wishes > > > M > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Sir , " You may regret your decision! Eventually!! " Why ? I arrived later, and my place must be later... I do not maintain the outward saffron attires of a sanyaasi, I discarded that over a decade ago because pseudo-dharmics started thronging my residence. In ashrama system, even a sanyaasi boy is senior to an aged grihastha. But I am free for all, even for abusers. Among shudras, seniority is judged by age, among vaishyas by wealth, among kshatriyas by strength and power, and among brahmins by knowledge (shaastric knowledge, not the knowledge of physics or chemistry) : it was proved by a 12 year boy Ashtaavakra. I am not interested in proving who is more knowledgeable. In Kaliyuga, everyone may be assumed to be a shudra (because the exceptons are negligible, esp in the internet) and the rule of seniority by age should apply to all : it is yugadharma. -VJ ===================== ======= ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani Sunday, June 7, 2009 10:20:39 AM Re: True or mean Rahu Not silent but simply quiet is all I said, Vinay (now that you have called me Dada! You may regret your decision! Eventually!! ) I have absolutely no misgivings or any lack of trust in Jyotish! I have always spoken my mind out aloud, like the astrotreasures article on boloji. Jyotish, I have always believed-in is WAY LARGER than even Scriptures! I will just leave it at that... , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > Rohini Da, > > Brihat Jataka is not quiet on the matter of utilizing the nodes in natal horoscopy. I have already sent one clear evidence from Brihat Jataka itself. > > It is , however, intriguing that Varaha Mihira's son wrote much more about predictive results of nodes, vimshottari dashaa, etc, than his father !! Vimshottarimeand 120. Varah Mihira talks of 120 years and 5 days as the maximum limit od dashas, but does not say anything about the details of vimshottari system. If it is taken as a " proof " of the invention of vimshottariafter him, then his son must be the inventor of vimshottari, and BPHS must be put around 800 AD as many western scholars are doing. but this line of thinking must credit Varah Mihir's son as the inventor of a lot of concepts and processes in Jyotisha which were not mentioned by his famous father. Why the ancients, however, do not give any credit to Varah Mihira's son for inventing anything ? > > If BPHS was composed around 800 AD, why the author of Mahaasiddhanta wrote about the same time that his siddhanta was based upon the forgotten siddhanta of Sage Parashara? > > The only plausible explanation is that many portions of Brihat Jatak have been lost. > > -VJ > ============ ========= === === > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 6:52:27 AM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > Thanks Marg. It is good to know that and also Vinay Ji's valuable quoted citation (can you share yours too now that you have found it for us all ;-)). This is how discussions should proceed without turning into a shouting match and getting abusive ;-) This is how we all learn and re-learn. > > The point though still remains that unlike BPHS, for example, which has many many references to the nodes, Brihat Jataka is strikingly quiet on the matter of utilizing the nodes in natal horoscopy. > > Would you not agree? Why was this so?? > > RR > > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > Hi Rohini > > In Brihat Jataka Varamihira does talk about nodes in natal chart....he says if ''The Sun and Mars occupy 4th house from the asc; Saturn occupies the rising sign, Rahu the 12th house and other planets the 8th a person born in the above yoga will live for 2,000 years'' > > Has anyone got a chart like this that we know of.......... ..:-) > > best wishes > > M > > > > - > > Rohiniranjan > > > > Friday, June 05, 2009 11:48 PM > > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! > > > > RR > > > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear list > > > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > > > best wishes > > > M > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Rohini and Vinay.... the quote I posted was from Ch V11 in the notes section number 2...I have Usha and Shashi interp which I understand differs very slightly from other interps. I wonder if the translators added this ref to Rahu themselves rather than reading any ref to it in the original text, but as Varamahira writes wholes chapters on the Nodes in Brihat Samhita then he clearly was employing them primarily in mundane astrology...as you point out Rohini best wishes M - Vinay Jha Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:35 AM Re: Re: True or mean Rahu The electronic version of Brihat Jataka does not contain the stanza margie9 is referring to. Chapter-7 (Longevity) of the printed version also does not contain it. Chapter number and verse number should be mentioned by margie9 for facilitating the task of searching. Brihat Jataka says (xxv-2): " If Sun and Mars occupy the 4th or 10th, death will be caused by stones. " Saturn in Lagna is also an inauspicious combination, and so are Rahu in 12th and rest in 8th. When all evil combinations come together, will the effect be ~17 times more auspicious ?? -VJ ====================== === ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Saturday, June 6, 2009 12:37:00 PM Re: Re: True or mean Rahu Hi Rohini In Brihat Jataka Varamihira does talk about nodes in natal chart....he says if ''The Sun and Mars occupy 4th house from the asc; Saturn occupies the rising sign, Rahu the 12th house and other planets the 8th a person born in the above yoga will live for 2,000 years'' Has anyone got a chart like this that we know of.......... ..:-) best wishes M - Rohiniranjan Friday, June 05, 2009 11:48 PM Re: True or mean Rahu There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! RR , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Dear list > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > best wishes > M > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Hi Rohini Yes there is a striking lack of reference to the nodes in Brihat Jataka, though clearly they were always used in calculations for the dasa periods. I'm really not that sure why this should be, though in the Brihat Samhita it seems as if, in the chapter on eclipses where he is elaborating upon the nodes, he is evaluating the ancient material at his disposal at his lifetime, and trying to sort out truth from error and fact from fancy. Any comment I made with reference to your question 'why should this be' would be purely an assumption on my part, and so not worth making really? However, for fun, I must point out that my version of BJ is not very well put together, the pages are in the wrong order making the flow difficult to follow.....very Rahu style......... best wishes M - Rohiniranjan Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:22 AM Re: True or mean Rahu Thanks Marg. It is good to know that and also Vinay Ji's valuable quoted citation (can you share yours too now that you have found it for us all ;-)). This is how discussions should proceed without turning into a shouting match and getting abusive ;-) This is how we all learn and re-learn. The point though still remains that unlike BPHS, for example, which has many many references to the nodes, Brihat Jataka is strikingly quiet on the matter of utilizing the nodes in natal horoscopy. Would you not agree? Why was this so?? RR , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Hi Rohini > In Brihat Jataka Varamihira does talk about nodes in natal chart....he says if ''The Sun and Mars occupy 4th house from the asc; Saturn occupies the rising sign, Rahu the 12th house and other planets the 8th a person born in the above yoga will live for 2,000 years'' > Has anyone got a chart like this that we know of............:-) > best wishes > M > > - > Rohiniranjan > > Friday, June 05, 2009 11:48 PM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > There is something interesting about Varahamihira's writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! > > RR > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > Dear list > > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > > best wishes > > M > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Hi Rohini and Vinay and anyone else interested in this thread... In my version Ch XXIII is entitled 'On malefic Yogas' and verse twelve says: ''If at the time of birth of a person , the eclipsed moon, occupy the rising sign, and if Saturn and Mars occupy the 5th and 9th houses from the asc, such person will be subject to the influence of ghosts'' He only gives eye problems resulting for the eclipsed sun rising in the asc with Sat and Mars in 5th and 9th...worse than that he says the person wll lose his eyes.... It seems much can be gained from reading various translations as they do differ in understanding and interpretation.............. best wishes M - Rohiniranjan Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:45 AM Re: True or mean Rahu Dear Vinay ji, This is a very good post! Thanks!! There was never any question about Varahamihira being aware of the lunar nodes, just that he did not seem to take those into a lot of consideration in natal horoscopy. Why? RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Sir, > > Rashi has no connection to Rahu or Shikhi. > > There are three references to Rahu in Brihat Jataka : > > In BJ-ii-3, names of Rahu are mentioned, which I refereed to in previous mail. > > In Chapter 23 Anishtadhyaya (misfortunes), Stanza 12: " If Moon when occupying the lagna is eclipsed by Rahu, and evil planets are found in trines, Sun is eclipsed and occupies the lagna, the person becomes blind. " > > It uses the those synonyms of rahu which are mentioned inBJ-ii-3. > > BJ-xii-12 cited above is a proof of Varaha Mihira's acceptance of Rahu as a potent planet as far as phalita is concerned. His Brihat Samhitaa gives details of astrological effects of Rahu over territories and countries, which are related to phalita (predictive astrology). > > In Ganita, he never excluded Rahu (cf. PanchSiddhantika). Thibaut, the famous translator and commentator of PanchSiddhantika, said that computations of eclipses was the chief concern of varaha Mihira in writing PanchSiddhantika. Eclipses are related to Rahu and Ketu, whose importance Varaha Mihira acknowledges in all his Siddhaanta(Ganita), Hora and Samhittaa texts. > > In my view, whole of ancient texts have not survived, hence we do not find a fuller treatment of many important things in those texts by ancient masters.BJ-xii-12 cited above proves that the phalita effect of Rahu was known to Varaha Mihira. But other phalita effects of Rahu are not mentioned in this text whose title is " Great " Jaataka. It is foolish to conclude that Varaha Mihira knew only only one phalita effect of Rahu. Perhaps his book could not be transmitted and preserved in its entirety. > > ################################################ > > Many important items, like vimshottari dashaa, are absetnt in Varaha mihira's work but are described by his son, which proves that portions of Varaha Mihira's texts are lost. Horaashaastra of his son Prityusha mentions nodes repeatedly. Following is the EXHAUSTIVE list of all occurrences of the term " Rahu " in Prityusha's Horaashaastra : > > " The eight quarters commencing from the East are serially lorded by Surya, Sukr, Mangal, Rahu, Sani, Candr, Budh and Guru. These quarters have strength at all times. " > > " Surya, Guru and Man?gal are masculine Grahas, while Rahu, Sukr and Candr belong to female group. Sani and Budh are eunuchs. " > > > " Brahmins are presided by Guru and Sukr. The royal lot is ruled by Man?gal. Candr is Vaisya. Budh is of mixed breed. Sani is considered to be a Sudra (4th caste), while Rahu is an outcaste (5th caste). Rahu, Sani, Ketu, Surya, Mangal and the dark fortnight Candr are malefics. Budh, Guru, Sukr and waxing Candr are said to be benefics. Budh and Sukr have Rajo Gun, while Guru, Surya and Candr are Sattvic Grahas. Man?gal, Sani and Rahu possess Tamo Gun. " > > " Mandi, the son of Sani, has many colours. Rahuâ?Ts colour is dark collyrium (blue mix). Although the Rasis have pleasing colours, these are changed according to the occupants. " > > " The age of Guru is 30, that of Sukr is 16, that of Surya is 50 and that of Candr is 70. Rahu is 100. " > > Synonyms : " Rahu is indicated, as Tamas, Asura, Swarbhanu, Vidhuntuda, Pata, Sainhikeya, Bhujanga and Ahi.Ketu is called Sikhin, Dhvaja, Dhum, Mrityu Putr and Anala. " > > " The strength of Maìgal is double of Saniâ?Ts. Budh is four times stronger than Budh. Guru is eight times stronger than Budh. Sukr has eight times more strength than that of Guru. Candr is sixteen times stronger than Sukr, Surya has twice the strength of Candr and Rahuâ?Ts strength is twice of Suryaâ?Ts and hence Rahu is the strongest of the Grahas. " > > " Rahu is strong in the South, i. e., when he is on the meridian of the horoscope. " > > " The following combinations (at the time of intercourse) lead to birth of a female issue: a) Candr and Sukr together in Putr, or Karm Bhava; b) Candr and Sukr in their own Rasis and, or Navamsh; c) Rahu rising and receiving a Drishti from Candr, or vice versa. d) Sukr in Candrâ?Ts Hora, or in Kendr from Lagn. " > > " if Rahu is in Labh Bhava in first Dreshkan, denoting right ear, he can > cause either deafness, or an ulcer of right ear.. " > > " Should the 7th from Candr be occupied by Mangal and Surya, while Rahu is in Lagn, death of the child may be expected within ten days of birth.. " > > " If the lord of Lagn is in Marana Pada along with the decreasing Candrin the company of Rahu, or aspected by Rahu, the native dies in his seventh year. " > > " If Candr is weak and aspected by Rahu associated with malefics, or, if the Lagn Lord (or Candr Rasi lord) has set in (i.e. the 7th from Lagn), or occupies the 8th, the child lives upto its 6th, or 8th year " > > " The Lagn lord with Rahu in the 7th brings death in 21 years, or 21 months, or (even) in 21days. " > > " Should malefics occupy Dhan and Vyaya Bhava along with Guru and Rahu and Candr arein Yuvati, or Randhr Bhava, the longevity of the person is not above thirty. " > > " Should a malefic set along with Surya (i.e. being in Yuvati Bhava from Lagn only and not in the 7th Bhava from Candr) and be yuti with Rahu and Guru, while Candr is in Ari, or Randhr Bhava, the life span is 30. " > > " Surya and Candr yuti with Rahu will cause death at the age of 28. It is more certain, ifGuru is also in Vyaya Bhava. " > > " If Guru receives a Drishti from Sani, or is yuti with Rahu and a malefic is in Lagn, whileRandhr Bhava is occupied, the life span is only 22. " > > " Deduction for Grahas in combustion, inimical Bhavas and the visible half, that are involved in war between Grahas, or, that are close to Rahu etc., should be made only after being suitably taught by a Guru. " > > Dasha Effect : > " During a sub-period of Rahu Dasha, when Rahu is placed between (malefic) Grahas, there will be extreme grief for 2 years. Should a sub-period and an inter-sub-period be of two mutually inimical Grahas, one will be deprived of his relations and suffer from diseases. Even though a Grah by nature be auspicious, it yields only inauspicious results, if it is in the company of Rahu. In the end of such Dasha, one will be exposed to diseases griefand displacement. " > > " The Dasha of Randhrâ?Ts lord posited in a Kendr will prove auspicious. Should he be, while being so, eclipsed, or yuti with Rahu, according to the wise, death is inflicted upon thenative. " > > " In the way explained above process add the Navamshas of Rahu and Lagn on the one hand and Maìgal and Lagn on the other hand. The years indicated thus will cause some accident, wound by weapons, tiredness, grief etc. Thus, Navamsh arrived similarly between an auspicious Grah and Lagn will give good results like, sons, wealth, happiness etc. in particular years without any doubt. " > > " If Rahu is in Lagn, the effects of theDasha will be marred. " > > " If the luminaries (i.e. Surya and Candr) are yuti with Rahu, then their sub-period is increased by another half. In such case, Surya and Candr give such results, like Sani and none else. This is the view of some earlier writers. " > > " Lagn Dasha results will be similar to its lord. The Dasha Bhukti of Rahu will be, like that of Sani. During Rahu Bhukti in the Dasha of Surya, or Candr, or Man gal, or Sani, death will happen. Similar is the effecting Rahu Dasha, when the Antar Dasha is that of Surya, or Candr, or Man gal, or Sani. In other Dashas, or Bhuktis, i.e. contrary to the said order,there will be mixed results by Rahu. " > > " The Dasha of the lord of Rahuâ?Ts Navamsh may cause death of the native in a Bhukti whose lord is inimical to him. " > > " The Sphutas of Guru and Rahu at birth should be added. When Guru in transit comes to the Rasi thus revealed, or, when Guru is in Kon in transit to such Rasi, death of thenative will happen. " > > " The longitude of Surya must be changed into minutes of arc and multiplied by Rahuâ?Ts longitude converted into minutes. The product should be divided by 21600 and the quotient etc. should be added to the longitude of Surya at birth. Should Surya in transit arrive such a Rasi, or its Konas, death of the native will occur. This is Chanakyaâ?Ts schoolof thought. " > > " Should Man gal and Sani be in a Kendr, Rahu in Lagn, while benefics are in Vyaya, or Ari Bhava, Chandal Yog is formed. This Yog will make one shun the duties prescribed for the family he succeeds. If Budh, Sukr and Candr are relegated to Kendras, while Rahu is rising, again ChandalYog is produced. The person, who has such Yog will take to mean acts.. " > > 'If Candr is shadowed by Rahu and is placed in Vyaya Bhava along with a malefic, the native will become insane, tend to quarrel, or be irritated. " > > " Should Surya and Rahu be in Yuvati Bhava, the lady will have many husbands. If a malefic is in Yuvati Bhava without strength and benefic Drishti, she will be given up by her husband and, if the said Grah be also in depression, she will be inimical to her husband. " > > " If there are malefics in the Konas from Lagn, or from Candr, or, if Rahu is in > Randhr Bhava, death will be caused by hanging. If Surya and Rahu are in Lagn, while Candr is in Ari/Randhr Bhava and malefics are posited in Vyaya Bhava, death will take place through poison, or weapon. If Rahu is placed in Bandhu, or Randhr Bhava and receives a Drishti from the lord of Randhr Bhava, or, if Randhr Bhava is occupied by malefic, or receives a Drishti from such a Grah, death is indicated by poison, weapon, or fire. Death by hanging is indicated, if Surya is in Yuvati Bhava along with Rahu, or Ketu, while Sukr is in Randhr Bhava. " > > " Should Budh and his Rasi ascend, one will assume the kind of a brutal animal. Should Sani, or Rahu ascend, or, if Saniâ?Ts Rasi is Lagn, the person is destined to take rebirth, as a devil etc. " > > " The Dasha periods, in the scheme of Nakshatr Dasha, otherwise known, as Udu Dasha, or Vimshottari Dasha, are: 6, 10, 7, 18, 16, 19, 17, 7 and 20 years, respectively, for Surya, Candr, Mangal, Rahu, Guru, Sani, Budh, Ketu and Sukr. These Dashas are lorded by the Grahas in the above order, counted from the Nakshatr Kritika. " > > " During the conclusion of the Dashas of Surya, Man gal, Sani and Rahu, there will be diseases, destruction of wealth, disputes and evil incidents. " > > " Rahuâ?Ts (dashaa) effects will be, like Saniâ?Ts. " > > ################################################ > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 10:39:18 AM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > It was a western astrologer turned jyotishi originating in a nordic country that used to frequent the Jyotish-List some two decades ago who used to make that point and also spoke about the " sophisticated " navamsa. This was just prior to the advent of Sanjay Rath and his students who went beyond and brought to the hungry jyotish crowds the nine yards about other vargas and other dashas and so on. The rest is modern history! > > It is good of you to give the reference that is also in Dr. Saraswathy's edition that I have here handy and thank you for pointing it out to me! > > Did Varahamihira take it any further in Vrihata Jataka and pronounce some of the effects that the nativities may experience due to RAhu SHIkhi? > > You reminded me of our dear Tatvamasi Ji who wrote that RA-SHI had reference to the lunar nodes (RAhu and SHIkhi or ketu)! Please do not take this literally -- I am just recollecting! > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > I do not know who started propagating the modern myth that nodes are not mentioned in Varaha mihira's Brihat-Jaataka ; this work says ; > > > > " Raahustamoagurasur ashcha Shikhiti Ketuh paryaayam... . " (chapter-2, verse-3) > > > > Which means " the synonyms of Raahu are Tama and Agu, while of Ketu is Shikhi " .. > > > > > > The ancient commentary of Varaha Mihira's Brihat-Jaataka by Bhatta Utpala also mentions the same in the commentary of this verse, and gives additional synonyms of nodes. The words " Raahu " and " Ketu " are mentioned in all works of Varaha Mihira, like Brihat-Jaataka, Brihat-Samhitaa, Panch-siddhaantikaa . > > > > There are certain astrological processes in which nodes are not needed, in Brihat-Jaataka as well as in BPHS. In a few processes, even Sun and Moon are omitted, eg, five elements are related to five planets only in BPHS(Fire, Earth, etc, BPHS, chapter-3, verse-21) , which cannot be cited out of context to prove that Sun and Moon were absent in BPHS. > > > > Nodes needed to be excluded from Indian Astrology in order to prove a Greek origin of Indian Astrology. I hope you will put such chauvinist works in proper perspectives. > > > > -VJ > > ============ ========= == === > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 4:18:56 AM > > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! > > > > RR > > > > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear list > > > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > > > best wishes > > > M > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Dear Marg, I looked up the same verse and was looking for a word that indictes Rahu and I did not find any. Though my Sanskrit knowledge is elementary, I am confident that there is no word that says Rahu directly. However, in my understanding, only Rahu can eclipse Moon and not any other planet. Of course, Sun can cause the combustion. But, in that case the sage would have used the word combustion and not eclipse. Hence, in my opinion, it is correct to interpret that the sage is hinting at Moon being eclipsed by Rahu. Do I make sense? Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Sunday, 7 June, 2009 2:07:37 PM Re: Re: True or mean Rahu Hi Rohini and Vinay and anyone else interested in this thread... In my version Ch XXIII is entitled 'On malefic Yogas' and verse twelve says: ''If at the time of birth of a person , the eclipsed moon, occupy the rising sign, and if Saturn and Mars occupy the 5th and 9th houses from the asc, such person will be subject to the influence of ghosts'' He only gives eye problems resulting for the eclipsed sun rising in the asc with Sat and Mars in 5th and 9th...worse than that he says the person wll lose his eyes.... It seems much can be gained from reading various translations as they do differ in understanding and interpretation. ......... .... best wishes M - Rohiniranjan Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:45 AM Re: True or mean Rahu Dear Vinay ji, This is a very good post! Thanks!! There was never any question about Varahamihira being aware of the lunar nodes, just that he did not seem to take those into a lot of consideration in natal horoscopy. Why? RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > Sir, > > Rashi has no connection to Rahu or Shikhi. > > There are three references to Rahu in Brihat Jataka : > > In BJ-ii-3, names of Rahu are mentioned, which I refereed to in previous mail. > > In Chapter 23 Anishtadhyaya (misfortunes) , Stanza 12: " If Moon when occupying the lagna is eclipsed by Rahu, and evil planets are found in trines, Sun is eclipsed and occupies the lagna, the person becomes blind. " > > It uses the those synonyms of rahu which are mentioned inBJ-ii-3. > > BJ-xii-12 cited above is a proof of Varaha Mihira's acceptance of Rahu as a potent planet as far as phalita is concerned. His Brihat Samhitaa gives details of astrological effects of Rahu over territories and countries, which are related to phalita (predictive astrology). > > In Ganita, he never excluded Rahu (cf. PanchSiddhantika) . Thibaut, the famous translator and commentator of PanchSiddhantika, said that computations of eclipses was the chief concern of varaha Mihira in writing PanchSiddhantika. Eclipses are related to Rahu and Ketu, whose importance Varaha Mihira acknowledges in all his Siddhaanta(Ganita) , Hora and Samhittaa texts. > > In my view, whole of ancient texts have not survived, hence we do not find a fuller treatment of many important things in those texts by ancient masters.BJ-xii- 12 cited above proves that the phalita effect of Rahu was known to Varaha Mihira. But other phalita effects of Rahu are not mentioned in this text whose title is " Great " Jaataka. It is foolish to conclude that Varaha Mihira knew only only one phalita effect of Rahu. Perhaps his book could not be transmitted and preserved in its entirety. > > ############ ######### ######### ######### ######### > > Many important items, like vimshottari dashaa, are absetnt in Varaha mihira's work but are described by his son, which proves that portions of Varaha Mihira's texts are lost. Horaashaastra of his son Prityusha mentions nodes repeatedly. Following is the EXHAUSTIVE list of all occurrences of the term " Rahu " in Prityusha's Horaashaastra : > > " The eight quarters commencing from the East are serially lorded by Surya, Sukr, Mangal, Rahu, Sani, Candr, Budh and Guru. These quarters have strength at all times. " > > " Surya, Guru and Man?gal are masculine Grahas, while Rahu, Sukr and Candr belong to female group. Sani and Budh are eunuchs. " > > > " Brahmins are presided by Guru and Sukr. The royal lot is ruled by Man?gal. Candr is Vaisya. Budh is of mixed breed. Sani is considered to be a Sudra (4th caste), while Rahu is an outcaste (5th caste). Rahu, Sani, Ketu, Surya, Mangal and the dark fortnight Candr are malefics. Budh, Guru, Sukr and waxing Candr are said to be benefics. Budh and Sukr have Rajo Gun, while Guru, Surya and Candr are Sattvic Grahas. Man?gal, Sani and Rahu possess Tamo Gun. " > > " Mandi, the son of Sani, has many colours. Rahuâ?Ts colour is dark collyrium (blue mix). Although the Rasis have pleasing colours, these are changed according to the occupants. " > > " The age of Guru is 30, that of Sukr is 16, that of Surya is 50 and that of Candr is 70. Rahu is 100. " > > Synonyms : " Rahu is indicated, as Tamas, Asura, Swarbhanu, Vidhuntuda, Pata, Sainhikeya, Bhujanga and Ahi.Ketu is called Sikhin, Dhvaja, Dhum, Mrityu Putr and Anala. " > > " The strength of Maìgal is double of Saniâ?Ts. Budh is four times stronger than Budh. Guru is eight times stronger than Budh. Sukr has eight times more strength than that of Guru. Candr is sixteen times stronger than Sukr, Surya has twice the strength of Candr and Rahuâ?Ts strength is twice of Suryaâ?Ts and hence Rahu is the strongest of the Grahas. " > > " Rahu is strong in the South, i. e., when he is on the meridian of the horoscope. " > > " The following combinations (at the time of intercourse) lead to birth of a female issue: a) Candr and Sukr together in Putr, or Karm Bhava; b) Candr and Sukr in their own Rasis and, or Navamsh; c) Rahu rising and receiving a Drishti from Candr, or vice versa. d) Sukr in Candrâ?Ts Hora, or in Kendr from Lagn. " > > " if Rahu is in Labh Bhava in first Dreshkan, denoting right ear, he can > cause either deafness, or an ulcer of right ear.. " > > " Should the 7th from Candr be occupied by Mangal and Surya, while Rahu is in Lagn, death of the child may be expected within ten days of birth.. " > > " If the lord of Lagn is in Marana Pada along with the decreasing Candrin the company of Rahu, or aspected by Rahu, the native dies in his seventh year. " > > " If Candr is weak and aspected by Rahu associated with malefics, or, if the Lagn Lord (or Candr Rasi lord) has set in (i.e. the 7th from Lagn), or occupies the 8th, the child lives upto its 6th, or 8th year " > > " The Lagn lord with Rahu in the 7th brings death in 21 years, or 21 months, or (even) in 21days. " > > " Should malefics occupy Dhan and Vyaya Bhava along with Guru and Rahu and Candr arein Yuvati, or Randhr Bhava, the longevity of the person is not above thirty. " > > " Should a malefic set along with Surya (i.e. being in Yuvati Bhava from Lagn only and not in the 7th Bhava from Candr) and be yuti with Rahu and Guru, while Candr is in Ari, or Randhr Bhava, the life span is 30. " > > " Surya and Candr yuti with Rahu will cause death at the age of 28. It is more certain, ifGuru is also in Vyaya Bhava. " > > " If Guru receives a Drishti from Sani, or is yuti with Rahu and a malefic is in Lagn, whileRandhr Bhava is occupied, the life span is only 22. " > > " Deduction for Grahas in combustion, inimical Bhavas and the visible half, that are involved in war between Grahas, or, that are close to Rahu etc., should be made only after being suitably taught by a Guru. " > > Dasha Effect : > " During a sub-period of Rahu Dasha, when Rahu is placed between (malefic) Grahas, there will be extreme grief for 2 years. Should a sub-period and an inter-sub-period be of two mutually inimical Grahas, one will be deprived of his relations and suffer from diseases. Even though a Grah by nature be auspicious, it yields only inauspicious results, if it is in the company of Rahu. In the end of such Dasha, one will be exposed to diseases griefand displacement. " > > " The Dasha of Randhrâ?Ts lord posited in a Kendr will prove auspicious. Should he be, while being so, eclipsed, or yuti with Rahu, according to the wise, death is inflicted upon thenative. " > > " In the way explained above process add the Navamshas of Rahu and Lagn on the one hand and Maìgal and Lagn on the other hand. The years indicated thus will cause some accident, wound by weapons, tiredness, grief etc. Thus, Navamsh arrived similarly between an auspicious Grah and Lagn will give good results like, sons, wealth, happiness etc. in particular years without any doubt. " > > " If Rahu is in Lagn, the effects of theDasha will be marred. " > > " If the luminaries (i.e. Surya and Candr) are yuti with Rahu, then their sub-period is increased by another half. In such case, Surya and Candr give such results, like Sani and none else. This is the view of some earlier writers. " > > " Lagn Dasha results will be similar to its lord. The Dasha Bhukti of Rahu will be, like that of Sani. During Rahu Bhukti in the Dasha of Surya, or Candr, or Man gal, or Sani, death will happen. Similar is the effecting Rahu Dasha, when the Antar Dasha is that of Surya, or Candr, or Man gal, or Sani. In other Dashas, or Bhuktis, i.e. contrary to the said order,there will be mixed results by Rahu. " > > " The Dasha of the lord of Rahuâ?Ts Navamsh may cause death of the native in a Bhukti whose lord is inimical to him. " > > " The Sphutas of Guru and Rahu at birth should be added. When Guru in transit comes to the Rasi thus revealed, or, when Guru is in Kon in transit to such Rasi, death of thenative will happen. " > > " The longitude of Surya must be changed into minutes of arc and multiplied by Rahuâ?Ts longitude converted into minutes. The product should be divided by 21600 and the quotient etc. should be added to the longitude of Surya at birth. Should Surya in transit arrive such a Rasi, or its Konas, death of the native will occur. This is Chanakyaâ?Ts schoolof thought. " > > " Should Man gal and Sani be in a Kendr, Rahu in Lagn, while benefics are in Vyaya, or Ari Bhava, Chandal Yog is formed. This Yog will make one shun the duties prescribed for the family he succeeds. If Budh, Sukr and Candr are relegated to Kendras, while Rahu is rising, again ChandalYog is produced. The person, who has such Yog will take to mean acts.. " > > 'If Candr is shadowed by Rahu and is placed in Vyaya Bhava along with a malefic, the native will become insane, tend to quarrel, or be irritated. " > > " Should Surya and Rahu be in Yuvati Bhava, the lady will have many husbands. If a malefic is in Yuvati Bhava without strength and benefic Drishti, she will be given up by her husband and, if the said Grah be also in depression, she will be inimical to her husband. " > > " If there are malefics in the Konas from Lagn, or from Candr, or, if Rahu is in > Randhr Bhava, death will be caused by hanging. If Surya and Rahu are in Lagn, while Candr is in Ari/Randhr Bhava and malefics are posited in Vyaya Bhava, death will take place through poison, or weapon. If Rahu is placed in Bandhu, or Randhr Bhava and receives a Drishti from the lord of Randhr Bhava, or, if Randhr Bhava is occupied by malefic, or receives a Drishti from such a Grah, death is indicated by poison, weapon, or fire. Death by hanging is indicated, if Surya is in Yuvati Bhava along with Rahu, or Ketu, while Sukr is in Randhr Bhava. " > > " Should Budh and his Rasi ascend, one will assume the kind of a brutal animal. Should Sani, or Rahu ascend, or, if Saniâ?Ts Rasi is Lagn, the person is destined to take rebirth, as a devil etc. " > > " The Dasha periods, in the scheme of Nakshatr Dasha, otherwise known, as Udu Dasha, or Vimshottari Dasha, are: 6, 10, 7, 18, 16, 19, 17, 7 and 20 years, respectively, for Surya, Candr, Mangal, Rahu, Guru, Sani, Budh, Ketu and Sukr. These Dashas are lorded by the Grahas in the above order, counted from the Nakshatr Kritika. " > > " During the conclusion of the Dashas of Surya, Man gal, Sani and Rahu, there will be diseases, destruction of wealth, disputes and evil incidents. " > > " Rahuâ?Ts (dashaa) effects will be, like Saniâ?Ts. " > > ############ ######### ######### ######### ######### > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 10:39:18 AM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > It was a western astrologer turned jyotishi originating in a nordic country that used to frequent the Jyotish-List some two decades ago who used to make that point and also spoke about the " sophisticated " navamsa. This was just prior to the advent of Sanjay Rath and his students who went beyond and brought to the hungry jyotish crowds the nine yards about other vargas and other dashas and so on. The rest is modern history! > > It is good of you to give the reference that is also in Dr. Saraswathy's edition that I have here handy and thank you for pointing it out to me! > > Did Varahamihira take it any further in Vrihata Jataka and pronounce some of the effects that the nativities may experience due to RAhu SHIkhi? > > You reminded me of our dear Tatvamasi Ji who wrote that RA-SHI had reference to the lunar nodes (RAhu and SHIkhi or ketu)! Please do not take this literally -- I am just recollecting! > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > I do not know who started propagating the modern myth that nodes are not mentioned in Varaha mihira's Brihat-Jaataka ; this work says ; > > > > " Raahustamoagurasur ashcha Shikhiti Ketuh paryaayam... . " (chapter-2, verse-3) > > > > Which means " the synonyms of Raahu are Tama and Agu, while of Ketu is Shikhi " .. > > > > > > The ancient commentary of Varaha Mihira's Brihat-Jaataka by Bhatta Utpala also mentions the same in the commentary of this verse, and gives additional synonyms of nodes. The words " Raahu " and " Ketu " are mentioned in all works of Varaha Mihira, like Brihat-Jaataka, Brihat-Samhitaa, Panch-siddhaantikaa . > > > > There are certain astrological processes in which nodes are not needed, in Brihat-Jaataka as well as in BPHS. In a few processes, even Sun and Moon are omitted, eg, five elements are related to five planets only in BPHS(Fire, Earth, etc, BPHS, chapter-3, verse-21) , which cannot be cited out of context to prove that Sun and Moon were absent in BPHS. > > > > Nodes needed to be excluded from Indian Astrology in order to prove a Greek origin of Indian Astrology. I hope you will put such chauvinist works in proper perspectives. > > > > -VJ > > ============ ========= == === > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 4:18:56 AM > > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! > > > > RR > > > > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear list > > > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > > > best wishes > > > M > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 To All, See message number 23524 sent yesterday, it contains ALL references to Rahu in Brihat Jatak, including that being discussed by Mr Krishnamurthy Seetharama and margie9 ; they perhaps did not read message number 23524 which also clarified that Brihat Jatak (Chapter 23 Anishtadhyaya or Misfortunes, Stanza 12) " uses the those synonyms of rahu which are mentioned inBJ-ii-3 " . The term " Asura " is used for Rahu in this verse, and Brihat Jatak-ii-3 says Asura is a synonymn for Rahu. The ancient commentatore Bhatta Utpala also explains this verse as " Asuraasyage Raahugraste.. " . Mr Krishnamurthy Seetharama should not say " I am confident that there is no word that says Rahu directly " , because Brihat Jatak itseld says that Asura is a syninymn for Rahu. Rahu is directly mentioned by its name Asura which eclipses Sun in this verse (XXiii-12). -VJ ================================= == , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Marg, > > I looked up the same verse and was looking for a word that indictes Rahu and I did not find any. Though my Sanskrit knowledge is elementary, I am confident that there is no word that says Rahu directly. However, in my understanding, only Rahu can eclipse Moon and not any other planet. Of course, Sun can cause the combustion. But, in that case the sage would have used the word combustion and not eclipse. Hence, in my opinion, it is correct to interpret that the sage is hinting at Moon being eclipsed by Rahu. > > Do I make sense? > > Regards, > Krishna > > > > > ________________________________ > Marg margie9 > > Sunday, 7 June, 2009 2:07:37 PM > Re: Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > Hi Rohini and Vinay and anyone else interested in this thread... > > In my version Ch XXIII is entitled 'On malefic Yogas' and verse twelve says: > ''If at the time of birth of a person , the eclipsed moon, occupy the rising sign, and if Saturn and Mars occupy the 5th and 9th houses from the asc, such person will be subject to the influence of ghosts'' > He only gives eye problems resulting for the eclipsed sun rising in the asc with Sat and Mars in 5th and 9th...worse than that he says the person wll lose his eyes.... > It seems much can be gained from reading various translations as they do differ in understanding and interpretation. ......... .... > best wishes > M > > - > Rohiniranjan > > Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:45 AM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > Dear Vinay ji, > > This is a very good post! Thanks!! > > There was never any question about Varahamihira being aware of the lunar nodes, just that he did not seem to take those into a lot of consideration in natal horoscopy. Why? > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > Rashi has no connection to Rahu or Shikhi. > > > > There are three references to Rahu in Brihat Jataka : > > > > In BJ-ii-3, names of Rahu are mentioned, which I refereed to in previous mail. > > > > In Chapter 23 Anishtadhyaya (misfortunes) , Stanza 12: " If Moon when occupying the lagna is eclipsed by Rahu, and evil planets are found in trines, Sun is eclipsed and occupies the lagna, the person becomes blind. " > > > > It uses the those synonyms of rahu which are mentioned inBJ-ii-3. > > > > BJ-xii-12 cited above is a proof of Varaha Mihira's acceptance of Rahu as a potent planet as far as phalita is concerned. His Brihat Samhitaa gives details of astrological effects of Rahu over territories and countries, which are related to phalita (predictive astrology). > > > > In Ganita, he never excluded Rahu (cf. PanchSiddhantika) . Thibaut, the famous translator and commentator of PanchSiddhantika, said that computations of eclipses was the chief concern of varaha Mihira in writing PanchSiddhantika. Eclipses are related to Rahu and Ketu, whose importance Varaha Mihira acknowledges in all his Siddhaanta(Ganita) , Hora and Samhittaa texts. > > > > In my view, whole of ancient texts have not survived, hence we do not find a fuller treatment of many important things in those texts by ancient masters.BJ-xii- 12 cited above proves that the phalita effect of Rahu was known to Varaha Mihira. But other phalita effects of Rahu are not mentioned in this text whose title is " Great " Jaataka. It is foolish to conclude that Varaha Mihira knew only only one phalita effect of Rahu. Perhaps his book could not be transmitted and preserved in its entirety. > > > > ############ ######### ######### ######### ######### > > > > Many important items, like vimshottari dashaa, are absetnt in Varaha mihira's work but are described by his son, which proves that portions of Varaha Mihira's texts are lost. Horaashaastra of his son Prityusha mentions nodes repeatedly. Following is the EXHAUSTIVE list of all occurrences of the term " Rahu " in Prityusha's Horaashaastra : > > > > " The eight quarters commencing from the East are serially lorded by Surya, Sukr, Mangal, Rahu, Sani, Candr, Budh and Guru. These quarters have strength at all times. " > > > > " Surya, Guru and Man?gal are masculine Grahas, while Rahu, Sukr and Candr belong to female group. Sani and Budh are eunuchs. " > > > > > > " Brahmins are presided by Guru and Sukr. The royal lot is ruled by Man?gal. Candr is Vaisya. Budh is of mixed breed. Sani is considered to be a Sudra (4th caste), while Rahu is an outcaste (5th caste). Rahu, Sani, Ketu, Surya, Mangal and the dark fortnight Candr are malefics. Budh, Guru, Sukr and waxing Candr are said to be benefics. Budh and Sukr have Rajo Gun, while Guru, Surya and Candr are Sattvic Grahas. Man?gal, Sani and Rahu possess Tamo Gun. " > > > > " Mandi, the son of Sani, has many colours. Rahu�?Ts colour is dark collyrium (blue mix). Although the Rasis have pleasing colours, these are changed according to the occupants. " > > > > " The age of Guru is 30, that of Sukr is 16, that of Surya is 50 and that of Candr is 70. Rahu is 100. " > > > > Synonyms : " Rahu is indicated, as Tamas, Asura, Swarbhanu, Vidhuntuda, Pata, Sainhikeya, Bhujanga and Ahi.Ketu is called Sikhin, Dhvaja, Dhum, Mrityu Putr and Anala. " > > > > " The strength of Maìgal is double of Sani�?Ts. Budh is four times stronger than Budh. Guru is eight times stronger than Budh. Sukr has eight times more strength than that of Guru. Candr is sixteen times stronger than Sukr, Surya has twice the strength of Candr and Rahu�?Ts strength is twice of Surya�?Ts and hence Rahu is the strongest of the Grahas. " > > > > " Rahu is strong in the South, i. e., when he is on the meridian of the horoscope. " > > > > " The following combinations (at the time of intercourse) lead to birth of a female issue: a) Candr and Sukr together in Putr, or Karm Bhava; b) Candr and Sukr in their own Rasis and, or Navamsh; c) Rahu rising and receiving a Drishti from Candr, or vice versa. d) Sukr in Candr�?Ts Hora, or in Kendr from Lagn. " > > > > " if Rahu is in Labh Bhava in first Dreshkan, denoting right ear, he can > > cause either deafness, or an ulcer of right ear.. " > > > > " Should the 7th from Candr be occupied by Mangal and Surya, while Rahu is in Lagn, death of the child may be expected within ten days of birth.. " > > > > " If the lord of Lagn is in Marana Pada along with the decreasing Candrin the company of Rahu, or aspected by Rahu, the native dies in his seventh year. " > > > > " If Candr is weak and aspected by Rahu associated with malefics, or, if the Lagn Lord (or Candr Rasi lord) has set in (i.e. the 7th from Lagn), or occupies the 8th, the child lives upto its 6th, or 8th year " > > > > " The Lagn lord with Rahu in the 7th brings death in 21 years, or 21 months, or (even) in 21days. " > > > > " Should malefics occupy Dhan and Vyaya Bhava along with Guru and Rahu and Candr arein Yuvati, or Randhr Bhava, the longevity of the person is not above thirty. " > > > > " Should a malefic set along with Surya (i.e. being in Yuvati Bhava from Lagn only and not in the 7th Bhava from Candr) and be yuti with Rahu and Guru, while Candr is in Ari, or Randhr Bhava, the life span is 30. " > > > > " Surya and Candr yuti with Rahu will cause death at the age of 28. It is more certain, ifGuru is also in Vyaya Bhava. " > > > > " If Guru receives a Drishti from Sani, or is yuti with Rahu and a malefic is in Lagn, whileRandhr Bhava is occupied, the life span is only 22. " > > > > " Deduction for Grahas in combustion, inimical Bhavas and the visible half, that are involved in war between Grahas, or, that are close to Rahu etc., should be made only after being suitably taught by a Guru. " > > > > Dasha Effect : > > " During a sub-period of Rahu Dasha, when Rahu is placed between (malefic) Grahas, there will be extreme grief for 2 years. Should a sub-period and an inter-sub-period be of two mutually inimical Grahas, one will be deprived of his relations and suffer from diseases. Even though a Grah by nature be auspicious, it yields only inauspicious results, if it is in the company of Rahu. In the end of such Dasha, one will be exposed to diseases griefand displacement. " > > > > " The Dasha of Randhr�?Ts lord posited in a Kendr will prove auspicious. Should he be, while being so, eclipsed, or yuti with Rahu, according to the wise, death is inflicted upon thenative. " > > > > " In the way explained above process add the Navamshas of Rahu and Lagn on the one hand and Maìgal and Lagn on the other hand. The years indicated thus will cause some accident, wound by weapons, tiredness, grief etc. Thus, Navamsh arrived similarly between an auspicious Grah and Lagn will give good results like, sons, wealth, happiness etc. in particular years without any doubt. " > > > > " If Rahu is in Lagn, the effects of theDasha will be marred. " > > > > " If the luminaries (i.e. Surya and Candr) are yuti with Rahu, then their sub-period is increased by another half. In such case, Surya and Candr give such results, like Sani and none else. This is the view of some earlier writers. " > > > > " Lagn Dasha results will be similar to its lord. The Dasha Bhukti of Rahu will be, like that of Sani. During Rahu Bhukti in the Dasha of Surya, or Candr, or Man gal, or Sani, death will happen. Similar is the effecting Rahu Dasha, when the Antar Dasha is that of Surya, or Candr, or Man gal, or Sani. In other Dashas, or Bhuktis, i.e. contrary to the said order,there will be mixed results by Rahu. " > > > > " The Dasha of the lord of Rahu�?Ts Navamsh may cause death of the native in a Bhukti whose lord is inimical to him. " > > > > " The Sphutas of Guru and Rahu at birth should be added. When Guru in transit comes to the Rasi thus revealed, or, when Guru is in Kon in transit to such Rasi, death of thenative will happen. " > > > > " The longitude of Surya must be changed into minutes of arc and multiplied by Rahu�?Ts longitude converted into minutes. The product should be divided by 21600 and the quotient etc. should be added to the longitude of Surya at birth. Should Surya in transit arrive such a Rasi, or its Konas, death of the native will occur. This is Chanakya�?Ts schoolof thought. " > > > > " Should Man gal and Sani be in a Kendr, Rahu in Lagn, while benefics are in Vyaya, or Ari Bhava, Chandal Yog is formed. This Yog will make one shun the duties prescribed for the family he succeeds. If Budh, Sukr and Candr are relegated to Kendras, while Rahu is rising, again ChandalYog is produced. The person, who has such Yog will take to mean acts.. " > > > > 'If Candr is shadowed by Rahu and is placed in Vyaya Bhava along with a malefic, the native will become insane, tend to quarrel, or be irritated. " > > > > " Should Surya and Rahu be in Yuvati Bhava, the lady will have many husbands. If a malefic is in Yuvati Bhava without strength and benefic Drishti, she will be given up by her husband and, if the said Grah be also in depression, she will be inimical to her husband. " > > > > " If there are malefics in the Konas from Lagn, or from Candr, or, if Rahu is in > > Randhr Bhava, death will be caused by hanging. If Surya and Rahu are in Lagn, while Candr is in Ari/Randhr Bhava and malefics are posited in Vyaya Bhava, death will take place through poison, or weapon. If Rahu is placed in Bandhu, or Randhr Bhava and receives a Drishti from the lord of Randhr Bhava, or, if Randhr Bhava is occupied by malefic, or receives a Drishti from such a Grah, death is indicated by poison, weapon, or fire. Death by hanging is indicated, if Surya is in Yuvati Bhava along with Rahu, or Ketu, while Sukr is in Randhr Bhava. " > > > > " Should Budh and his Rasi ascend, one will assume the kind of a brutal animal. Should Sani, or Rahu ascend, or, if Sani�?Ts Rasi is Lagn, the person is destined to take rebirth, as a devil etc. " > > > > " The Dasha periods, in the scheme of Nakshatr Dasha, otherwise known, as Udu Dasha, or Vimshottari Dasha, are: 6, 10, 7, 18, 16, 19, 17, 7 and 20 years, respectively, for Surya, Candr, Mangal, Rahu, Guru, Sani, Budh, Ketu and Sukr. These Dashas are lorded by the Grahas in the above order, counted from the Nakshatr Kritika. " > > > > " During the conclusion of the Dashas of Surya, Man gal, Sani and Rahu, there will be diseases, destruction of wealth, disputes and evil incidents. " > > > > " Rahu�?Ts (dashaa) effects will be, like Sani�?Ts. " > > > > ############ ######### ######### ######### ######### > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 10:39:18 AM > > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > It was a western astrologer turned jyotishi originating in a nordic country that used to frequent the Jyotish-List some two decades ago who used to make that point and also spoke about the " sophisticated " navamsa. This was just prior to the advent of Sanjay Rath and his students who went beyond and brought to the hungry jyotish crowds the nine yards about other vargas and other dashas and so on. The rest is modern history! > > > > It is good of you to give the reference that is also in Dr. Saraswathy's edition that I have here handy and thank you for pointing it out to me! > > > > Did Varahamihira take it any further in Vrihata Jataka and pronounce some of the effects that the nativities may experience due to RAhu SHIkhi? > > > > You reminded me of our dear Tatvamasi Ji who wrote that RA-SHI had reference to the lunar nodes (RAhu and SHIkhi or ketu)! Please do not take this literally -- I am just recollecting! > > > > RR > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > > > I do not know who started propagating the modern myth that nodes are not mentioned in Varaha mihira's Brihat-Jaataka ; this work says ; > > > > > > " Raahustamoagurasur ashcha Shikhiti Ketuh paryaayam... . " (chapter-2, verse-3) > > > > > > Which means " the synonyms of Raahu are Tama and Agu, while of Ketu is Shikhi " .. > > > > > > > > > The ancient commentary of Varaha Mihira's Brihat-Jaataka by Bhatta Utpala also mentions the same in the commentary of this verse, and gives additional synonyms of nodes. The words " Raahu " and " Ketu " are mentioned in all works of Varaha Mihira, like Brihat-Jaataka, Brihat-Samhitaa, Panch-siddhaantikaa . > > > > > > There are certain astrological processes in which nodes are not needed, in Brihat-Jaataka as well as in BPHS. In a few processes, even Sun and Moon are omitted, eg, five elements are related to five planets only in BPHS(Fire, Earth, etc, BPHS, chapter-3, verse-21) , which cannot be cited out of context to prove that Sun and Moon were absent in BPHS. > > > > > > Nodes needed to be excluded from Indian Astrology in order to prove a Greek origin of Indian Astrology. I hope you will put such chauvinist works in proper perspectives. > > > > > > -VJ > > > ============ ========= == === > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 4:18:56 AM > > > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear list > > > > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > > > > best wishes > > > > M > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 This quote is not a part of the text of Brihat Jatak, chapter-V, verse-11. Ancient commentary on Brihat Jatak by Bhatta Utpala also lacks this quote, which is a note added by the translators. I am repeating in bold that " The electronic version of Brihat Jataka does not contain the stanza margie9 is referring to. " -VJ ========================= === ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Sunday, June 7, 2009 1:23:47 PM Re: Re: True or mean Rahu Rohini and Vinay.... the quote I posted was from Ch V11 in the notes section number 2...I have Usha and Shashi interp which I understand differs very slightly from other interps. I wonder if the translators added this ref to Rahu themselves rather than reading any ref to it in the original text, but as Varamahira writes wholes chapters on the Nodes in Brihat Samhita then he clearly was employing them primarily in mundane astrology... as you point out Rohini best wishes M - Vinay Jha Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:35 AM Re: Re: True or mean Rahu The electronic version of Brihat Jataka does not contain the stanza margie9 is referring to. Chapter-7 (Longevity) of the printed version also does not contain it. Chapter number and verse number should be mentioned by margie9 for facilitating the task of searching. Brihat Jataka says (xxv-2): " If Sun and Mars occupy the 4th or 10th, death will be caused by stones. " Saturn in Lagna is also an inauspicious combination, and so are Rahu in 12th and rest in 8th. When all evil combinations come together, will the effect be ~17 times more auspicious ?? -VJ ============ ========= = === ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Saturday, June 6, 2009 12:37:00 PM Re: Re: True or mean Rahu Hi Rohini In Brihat Jataka Varamihira does talk about nodes in natal chart....he says if ''The Sun and Mars occupy 4th house from the asc; Saturn occupies the rising sign, Rahu the 12th house and other planets the 8th a person born in the above yoga will live for 2,000 years'' Has anyone got a chart like this that we know of.......... ..:-) best wishes M - Rohiniranjan Friday, June 05, 2009 11:48 PM Re: True or mean Rahu There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! RR , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Dear list > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > best wishes > M > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Please read message 23524 which answers your doubts. -vj ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Sunday, June 7, 2009 2:07:37 PM Re: Re: True or mean Rahu Hi Rohini and Vinay and anyone else interested in this thread... In my version Ch XXIII is entitled 'On malefic Yogas' and verse twelve says: ''If at the time of birth of a person , the eclipsed moon, occupy the rising sign, and if Saturn and Mars occupy the 5th and 9th houses from the asc, such person will be subject to the influence of ghosts'' He only gives eye problems resulting for the eclipsed sun rising in the asc with Sat and Mars in 5th and 9th...worse than that he says the person wll lose his eyes.... It seems much can be gained from reading various translations as they do differ in understanding and interpretation. ......... .... best wishes M - Rohiniranjan Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:45 AM Re: True or mean Rahu Dear Vinay ji, This is a very good post! Thanks!! There was never any question about Varahamihira being aware of the lunar nodes, just that he did not seem to take those into a lot of consideration in natal horoscopy. Why? RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > Sir, > > Rashi has no connection to Rahu or Shikhi. > > There are three references to Rahu in Brihat Jataka : > > In BJ-ii-3, names of Rahu are mentioned, which I refereed to in previous mail. > > In Chapter 23 Anishtadhyaya (misfortunes) , Stanza 12: " If Moon when occupying the lagna is eclipsed by Rahu, and evil planets are found in trines, Sun is eclipsed and occupies the lagna, the person becomes blind. " > > It uses the those synonyms of rahu which are mentioned inBJ-ii-3. > > BJ-xii-12 cited above is a proof of Varaha Mihira's acceptance of Rahu as a potent planet as far as phalita is concerned. His Brihat Samhitaa gives details of astrological effects of Rahu over territories and countries, which are related to phalita (predictive astrology). > > In Ganita, he never excluded Rahu (cf. PanchSiddhantika) . Thibaut, the famous translator and commentator of PanchSiddhantika, said that computations of eclipses was the chief concern of varaha Mihira in writing PanchSiddhantika. Eclipses are related to Rahu and Ketu, whose importance Varaha Mihira acknowledges in all his Siddhaanta(Ganita) , Hora and Samhittaa texts. > > In my view, whole of ancient texts have not survived, hence we do not find a fuller treatment of many important things in those texts by ancient masters.BJ-xii- 12 cited above proves that the phalita effect of Rahu was known to Varaha Mihira. But other phalita effects of Rahu are not mentioned in this text whose title is " Great " Jaataka. It is foolish to conclude that Varaha Mihira knew only only one phalita effect of Rahu. Perhaps his book could not be transmitted and preserved in its entirety. > > ############ ######### ######### ######### ######### > > Many important items, like vimshottari dashaa, are absetnt in Varaha mihira's work but are described by his son, which proves that portions of Varaha Mihira's texts are lost. Horaashaastra of his son Prityusha mentions nodes repeatedly. Following is the EXHAUSTIVE list of all occurrences of the term " Rahu " in Prityusha's Horaashaastra : > > " The eight quarters commencing from the East are serially lorded by Surya, Sukr, Mangal, Rahu, Sani, Candr, Budh and Guru. These quarters have strength at all times. " > > " Surya, Guru and Man?gal are masculine Grahas, while Rahu, Sukr and Candr belong to female group. Sani and Budh are eunuchs. " > > > " Brahmins are presided by Guru and Sukr. The royal lot is ruled by Man?gal. Candr is Vaisya. Budh is of mixed breed. Sani is considered to be a Sudra (4th caste), while Rahu is an outcaste (5th caste). Rahu, Sani, Ketu, Surya, Mangal and the dark fortnight Candr are malefics. Budh, Guru, Sukr and waxing Candr are said to be benefics. Budh and Sukr have Rajo Gun, while Guru, Surya and Candr are Sattvic Grahas. Man?gal, Sani and Rahu possess Tamo Gun. " > > " Mandi, the son of Sani, has many colours. Rahuâ?Ts colour is dark collyrium (blue mix). Although the Rasis have pleasing colours, these are changed according to the occupants. " > > " The age of Guru is 30, that of Sukr is 16, that of Surya is 50 and that of Candr is 70. Rahu is 100. " > > Synonyms : " Rahu is indicated, as Tamas, Asura, Swarbhanu, Vidhuntuda, Pata, Sainhikeya, Bhujanga and Ahi.Ketu is called Sikhin, Dhvaja, Dhum, Mrityu Putr and Anala. " > > " The strength of Maìgal is double of Saniâ?Ts. Budh is four times stronger than Budh. Guru is eight times stronger than Budh. Sukr has eight times more strength than that of Guru. Candr is sixteen times stronger than Sukr, Surya has twice the strength of Candr and Rahuâ?Ts strength is twice of Suryaâ?Ts and hence Rahu is the strongest of the Grahas. " > > " Rahu is strong in the South, i. e., when he is on the meridian of the horoscope. " > > " The following combinations (at the time of intercourse) lead to birth of a female issue: a) Candr and Sukr together in Putr, or Karm Bhava; b) Candr and Sukr in their own Rasis and, or Navamsh; c) Rahu rising and receiving a Drishti from Candr, or vice versa. d) Sukr in Candrâ?Ts Hora, or in Kendr from Lagn. " > > " if Rahu is in Labh Bhava in first Dreshkan, denoting right ear, he can > cause either deafness, or an ulcer of right ear.. " > > " Should the 7th from Candr be occupied by Mangal and Surya, while Rahu is in Lagn, death of the child may be expected within ten days of birth.. " > > " If the lord of Lagn is in Marana Pada along with the decreasing Candrin the company of Rahu, or aspected by Rahu, the native dies in his seventh year. " > > " If Candr is weak and aspected by Rahu associated with malefics, or, if the Lagn Lord (or Candr Rasi lord) has set in (i.e. the 7th from Lagn), or occupies the 8th, the child lives upto its 6th, or 8th year " > > " The Lagn lord with Rahu in the 7th brings death in 21 years, or 21 months, or (even) in 21days. " > > " Should malefics occupy Dhan and Vyaya Bhava along with Guru and Rahu and Candr arein Yuvati, or Randhr Bhava, the longevity of the person is not above thirty. " > > " Should a malefic set along with Surya (i.e. being in Yuvati Bhava from Lagn only and not in the 7th Bhava from Candr) and be yuti with Rahu and Guru, while Candr is in Ari, or Randhr Bhava, the life span is 30. " > > " Surya and Candr yuti with Rahu will cause death at the age of 28. It is more certain, ifGuru is also in Vyaya Bhava. " > > " If Guru receives a Drishti from Sani, or is yuti with Rahu and a malefic is in Lagn, whileRandhr Bhava is occupied, the life span is only 22. " > > " Deduction for Grahas in combustion, inimical Bhavas and the visible half, that are involved in war between Grahas, or, that are close to Rahu etc., should be made only after being suitably taught by a Guru. " > > Dasha Effect : > " During a sub-period of Rahu Dasha, when Rahu is placed between (malefic) Grahas, there will be extreme grief for 2 years. Should a sub-period and an inter-sub-period be of two mutually inimical Grahas, one will be deprived of his relations and suffer from diseases. Even though a Grah by nature be auspicious, it yields only inauspicious results, if it is in the company of Rahu. In the end of such Dasha, one will be exposed to diseases griefand displacement. " > > " The Dasha of Randhrâ?Ts lord posited in a Kendr will prove auspicious. Should he be, while being so, eclipsed, or yuti with Rahu, according to the wise, death is inflicted upon thenative. " > > " In the way explained above process add the Navamshas of Rahu and Lagn on the one hand and Maìgal and Lagn on the other hand. The years indicated thus will cause some accident, wound by weapons, tiredness, grief etc. Thus, Navamsh arrived similarly between an auspicious Grah and Lagn will give good results like, sons, wealth, happiness etc. in particular years without any doubt. " > > " If Rahu is in Lagn, the effects of theDasha will be marred. " > > " If the luminaries (i.e. Surya and Candr) are yuti with Rahu, then their sub-period is increased by another half. In such case, Surya and Candr give such results, like Sani and none else. This is the view of some earlier writers. " > > " Lagn Dasha results will be similar to its lord. The Dasha Bhukti of Rahu will be, like that of Sani. During Rahu Bhukti in the Dasha of Surya, or Candr, or Man gal, or Sani, death will happen. Similar is the effecting Rahu Dasha, when the Antar Dasha is that of Surya, or Candr, or Man gal, or Sani. In other Dashas, or Bhuktis, i.e. contrary to the said order,there will be mixed results by Rahu. " > > " The Dasha of the lord of Rahuâ?Ts Navamsh may cause death of the native in a Bhukti whose lord is inimical to him. " > > " The Sphutas of Guru and Rahu at birth should be added. When Guru in transit comes to the Rasi thus revealed, or, when Guru is in Kon in transit to such Rasi, death of thenative will happen. " > > " The longitude of Surya must be changed into minutes of arc and multiplied by Rahuâ?Ts longitude converted into minutes. The product should be divided by 21600 and the quotient etc. should be added to the longitude of Surya at birth. Should Surya in transit arrive such a Rasi, or its Konas, death of the native will occur. This is Chanakyaâ?Ts schoolof thought. " > > " Should Man gal and Sani be in a Kendr, Rahu in Lagn, while benefics are in Vyaya, or Ari Bhava, Chandal Yog is formed. This Yog will make one shun the duties prescribed for the family he succeeds. If Budh, Sukr and Candr are relegated to Kendras, while Rahu is rising, again ChandalYog is produced. The person, who has such Yog will take to mean acts.. " > > 'If Candr is shadowed by Rahu and is placed in Vyaya Bhava along with a malefic, the native will become insane, tend to quarrel, or be irritated. " > > " Should Surya and Rahu be in Yuvati Bhava, the lady will have many husbands. If a malefic is in Yuvati Bhava without strength and benefic Drishti, she will be given up by her husband and, if the said Grah be also in depression, she will be inimical to her husband. " > > " If there are malefics in the Konas from Lagn, or from Candr, or, if Rahu is in > Randhr Bhava, death will be caused by hanging. If Surya and Rahu are in Lagn, while Candr is in Ari/Randhr Bhava and malefics are posited in Vyaya Bhava, death will take place through poison, or weapon. If Rahu is placed in Bandhu, or Randhr Bhava and receives a Drishti from the lord of Randhr Bhava, or, if Randhr Bhava is occupied by malefic, or receives a Drishti from such a Grah, death is indicated by poison, weapon, or fire. Death by hanging is indicated, if Surya is in Yuvati Bhava along with Rahu, or Ketu, while Sukr is in Randhr Bhava. " > > " Should Budh and his Rasi ascend, one will assume the kind of a brutal animal. Should Sani, or Rahu ascend, or, if Saniâ?Ts Rasi is Lagn, the person is destined to take rebirth, as a devil etc. " > > " The Dasha periods, in the scheme of Nakshatr Dasha, otherwise known, as Udu Dasha, or Vimshottari Dasha, are: 6, 10, 7, 18, 16, 19, 17, 7 and 20 years, respectively, for Surya, Candr, Mangal, Rahu, Guru, Sani, Budh, Ketu and Sukr. These Dashas are lorded by the Grahas in the above order, counted from the Nakshatr Kritika. " > > " During the conclusion of the Dashas of Surya, Man gal, Sani and Rahu, there will be diseases, destruction of wealth, disputes and evil incidents. " > > " Rahuâ?Ts (dashaa) effects will be, like Saniâ?Ts. " > > ############ ######### ######### ######### ######### > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 10:39:18 AM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > It was a western astrologer turned jyotishi originating in a nordic country that used to frequent the Jyotish-List some two decades ago who used to make that point and also spoke about the " sophisticated " navamsa. This was just prior to the advent of Sanjay Rath and his students who went beyond and brought to the hungry jyotish crowds the nine yards about other vargas and other dashas and so on. The rest is modern history! > > It is good of you to give the reference that is also in Dr. Saraswathy's edition that I have here handy and thank you for pointing it out to me! > > Did Varahamihira take it any further in Vrihata Jataka and pronounce some of the effects that the nativities may experience due to RAhu SHIkhi? > > You reminded me of our dear Tatvamasi Ji who wrote that RA-SHI had reference to the lunar nodes (RAhu and SHIkhi or ketu)! Please do not take this literally -- I am just recollecting! > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > I do not know who started propagating the modern myth that nodes are not mentioned in Varaha mihira's Brihat-Jaataka ; this work says ; > > > > " Raahustamoagurasur ashcha Shikhiti Ketuh paryaayam... . " (chapter-2, verse-3) > > > > Which means " the synonyms of Raahu are Tama and Agu, while of Ketu is Shikhi " .. > > > > > > The ancient commentary of Varaha Mihira's Brihat-Jaataka by Bhatta Utpala also mentions the same in the commentary of this verse, and gives additional synonyms of nodes. The words " Raahu " and " Ketu " are mentioned in all works of Varaha Mihira, like Brihat-Jaataka, Brihat-Samhitaa, Panch-siddhaantikaa . > > > > There are certain astrological processes in which nodes are not needed, in Brihat-Jaataka as well as in BPHS. In a few processes, even Sun and Moon are omitted, eg, five elements are related to five planets only in BPHS(Fire, Earth, etc, BPHS, chapter-3, verse-21) , which cannot be cited out of context to prove that Sun and Moon were absent in BPHS. > > > > Nodes needed to be excluded from Indian Astrology in order to prove a Greek origin of Indian Astrology. I hope you will put such chauvinist works in proper perspectives. > > > > -VJ > > ============ ========= == === > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 4:18:56 AM > > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! > > > > RR > > > > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear list > > > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > > > best wishes > > > M > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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