Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 To those who are interested on this Verse-12, Chapter, XXIII, " Udayati " = on rising in the horizon " Udupe " = the Moon " Surasyage " = united with Rahu i.e. when it is a Lunar Eclipse " sa " = the individual born " Sapisacha " = possessed by a ghost " Asubhayoh " = on the malefic being " Trikonayoh " = in the Trikona houses " Sopaplavamandale " = on being eclipsed " Ravau " = the Sun " Udayasthe " = in the ascendant " Nayanapavarjitah " = i.e. will be blind, will be deprived of eyes. C.S. Ravindramani ================================================================= , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > To All, > > See message number 23524 sent yesterday, it contains ALL references to > Rahu in Brihat Jatak, including that being discussed by Mr Krishnamurthy > Seetharama and margie9 ; they perhaps did not read message number 23524 > which also clarified that Brihat Jatak (Chapter 23 Anishtadhyaya or > Misfortunes, Stanza 12) " uses the those synonyms of rahu which are > mentioned inBJ-ii-3 " . > > The term " Asura " is used for Rahu in this verse, and Brihat Jatak-ii-3 > says Asura is a synonymn for Rahu. The ancient commentatore Bhatta > Utpala also explains this verse as " Asuraasyage Raahugraste.. " . > > Mr Krishnamurthy Seetharama should not say " I am confident that there is > no word that says Rahu directly " , because Brihat Jatak itseld says that > Asura is a syninymn for Rahu. Rahu is directly mentioned by its name > Asura which eclipses Sun in this verse (XXiii-12). > > -VJ > ================================= == > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > Dear Marg, > > > > I looked up the same verse and was looking for a word that indictes > Rahu and I did not find any. Though my Sanskrit knowledge is elementary, > I am confident that there is no word that says Rahu directly. However, > in my understanding, only Rahu can eclipse Moon and not any other > planet. Of course, Sun can cause the combustion. But, in that case the > sage would have used the word combustion and not eclipse. Hence, in my > opinion, it is correct to interpret that the sage is hinting at Moon > being eclipsed by Rahu. > > > > Do I make sense? > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Thanks Ravindramani! Regards, Krishna ________________________________ ravindramani <ravindramani Sunday, 7 June, 2009 7:17:35 PM Re: True or mean Rahu To those who are interested on this Verse-12, Chapter, XXIII, " Udayati " = on rising in the horizon " Udupe " = the Moon " Surasyage " = united with Rahu i.e. when it is a Lunar Eclipse " sa " = the individual born " Sapisacha " = possessed by a ghost " Asubhayoh " = on the malefic being " Trikonayoh " = in the Trikona houses " Sopaplavamandale " = on being eclipsed " Ravau " = the Sun " Udayasthe " = in the ascendant " Nayanapavarjitah " = i.e. will be blind, will be deprived of eyes. C.S. Ravindramani ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ======== , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > To All, > > See message number 23524 sent yesterday, it contains ALL references to > Rahu in Brihat Jatak, including that being discussed by Mr Krishnamurthy > Seetharama and margie9 ; they perhaps did not read message number 23524 > which also clarified that Brihat Jatak (Chapter 23 Anishtadhyaya or > Misfortunes, Stanza 12) " uses the those synonyms of rahu which are > mentioned inBJ-ii-3 " . > > The term " Asura " is used for Rahu in this verse, and Brihat Jatak-ii-3 > says Asura is a synonymn for Rahu. The ancient commentatore Bhatta > Utpala also explains this verse as " Asuraasyage Raahugraste. . " . > > Mr Krishnamurthy Seetharama should not say " I am confident that there is > no word that says Rahu directly " , because Brihat Jatak itseld says that > Asura is a syninymn for Rahu. Rahu is directly mentioned by its name > Asura which eclipses Sun in this verse (XXiii-12). > > -VJ > ============ ========= ========= === == > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Marg, > > > > I looked up the same verse and was looking for a word that indictes > Rahu and I did not find any. Though my Sanskrit knowledge is elementary, > I am confident that there is no word that says Rahu directly. However, > in my understanding, only Rahu can eclipse Moon and not any other > planet. Of course, Sun can cause the combustion. But, in that case the > sage would have used the word combustion and not eclipse. Hence, in my > opinion, it is correct to interpret that the sage is hinting at Moon > being eclipsed by Rahu. > > > > Do I make sense? > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.*Go to http://in.business./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 To those who are interested on this Verse-2, Chapter, II, Brihajjatakam, " Jivah " , " Angira " , " Suraguru " " Vachaspati " or " Ijya " = Jupiter " Sukrah " , " Bhriguh " , Bhrigusutha or Bhrigusuta " Sitah " , (Sita – the white planet), Asphuujit = Venus " Rahuh " , " Tamah " , " Agu " , " Asurah " = Rahu " Sikhi " = Ketuh = Kethu C.S. Ravindramani ========================================================== , " ravindramani " <ravindramani wrote: > > To those who are interested on this Verse-12, Chapter, XXIII, > > " Udayati " = on rising in the horizon > > " Udupe " = the Moon > > " Surasyage " = united with Rahu i.e. when it is a Lunar Eclipse > > " sa " = the individual born > > " Sapisacha " = possessed by a ghost > > " Asubhayoh " = on the malefic being > > " Trikonayoh " = in the Trikona houses > > " Sopaplavamandale " = on being eclipsed > > " Ravau " = the Sun > > " Udayasthe " = in the ascendant > > " Nayanapavarjitah " = i.e. will be blind, will be deprived of eyes. > > > C.S. Ravindramani > > > ================================================================= > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Brihat-Jatak , Verse-12, Chapter, XXIII : Udayati Udupe-Asuraasyage Sapishaacho...(उदयति उडà¥à¤ªà¥‡à¤½à¤¸à¥à¤°à¤¾à¤¸à¥à¤¯à¤—े सपिशाचो.....) Ancient commentator Bhatta Utpala writes on it : Udupe Chandre Udayati Lagnagate Tasminshch-Asuraasyage Raahugraste.... (उडà¥à¤ªà¥‡ चनà¥à¤¦à¥à¤°à¥‡ उदयति लगà¥à¤¨à¤—ते तसà¥à¤®à¤¿à¤‚शà¥à¤šà¤¾à¤¸à¥à¤°à¤¾à¤¸à¥à¤¯à¤—े राहà¥à¤—à¥à¤°à¤¸à¥à¤¤à¥‡....) and few clauses later adds : " Asuraasyage (असà¥à¤°à¤¾à¤¸à¥à¤¯à¤—े) Arke Raahugraste..... " " Asura " is mentioned in original verse as well as in Utpala's commentary. Hence, " a " should not be removed from Asura. Both Asura and Agu are names of Raahu used here as well as in Brihat Jataka -ii-3 (Rahu, Tama, Asura, Agu). Original Utpala English Udayati = Lagnagate = on rising in the horizon Udupe = Chandre = the Moon Asuraasyage = Raahugraste = with Rahu, i.e. when it is a Lunar eclipse Age is derived from Agu, which means Raahu. Asura also means Raahu. Both terms may be used simultaneously for fulfilling the number of syllables required to complete the metre. -vj ________________________________ ravindramani <ravindramani Sunday, June 7, 2009 7:37:51 PM Re: True or mean Rahu To those who are interested on this Verse-2, Chapter, II, Brihajjatakam, " Jivah " , " Angira " , " Suraguru " " Vachaspati " or " Ijya " = Jupiter " Sukrah " , " Bhriguh " , Bhrigusutha or Bhrigusuta " Sitah " , (Sita – the white planet), Asphuujit = Venus " Rahuh " , " Tamah " , " Agu " , " Asurah " = Rahu " Sikhi " = Ketuh = Kethu C.S. Ravindramani ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= = , " ravindramani " <ravindramani@ ...> wrote: > > To those who are interested on this Verse-12, Chapter, XXIII, > > " Udayati " = on rising in the horizon > > " Udupe " = the Moon > > " Surasyage " = united with Rahu i.e. when it is a Lunar Eclipse > > " sa " = the individual born > > " Sapisacha " = possessed by a ghost > > " Asubhayoh " = on the malefic being > > " Trikonayoh " = in the Trikona houses > > " Sopaplavamandale " = on being eclipsed > > " Ravau " = the Sun > > " Udayasthe " = in the ascendant > > " Nayanapavarjitah " = i.e. will be blind, will be deprived of eyes. > > > C.S. Ravindramani > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ======== > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Dear Vinay-JI, Yes xxv-2 in KN Saraswathy's hardcopy version says the same as you wrote. I think as a standard practice we all should consider specifying with specific version we are using or quoting from. There are so many versions of each of these ancient texts that it can get pretty muddled otherwise :-) RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > The electronic version of Brihat Jataka does not contain the stanza margie9 is referring to. Chapter-7 (Longevity) of the printed version also does not contain it. Chapter number and verse number should be mentioned by margie9 for facilitating the task of searching. > > Brihat Jataka says (xxv-2): > > " If Sun and Mars occupy the 4th or 10th, death will be caused by stones. " > > Saturn in Lagna is also an inauspicious combination, and so are Rahu in 12th and rest in 8th. When all evil combinations come together, will the effect be ~17 times more auspicious ?? > > -VJ > > ====================== === > > > ________________________________ > Marg <margie9 > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 12:37:00 PM > Re: Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > Hi Rohini > In Brihat Jataka Varamihira does talk about nodes in natal chart....he says if ''The Sun and Mars occupy 4th house from the asc; Saturn occupies the rising sign, Rahu the 12th house and other planets the 8th a person born in the above yoga will live for 2,000 years'' > Has anyone got a chart like this that we know of.......... ..:-) > best wishes > M > > - > Rohiniranjan > > Friday, June 05, 2009 11:48 PM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! > > RR > > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > Dear list > > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > > best wishes > > M > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Hi Marg, Good! Now we can move ahead ;-) By the way, were you thinking of Christ's horoscope when you mentioned about the person('sname?) living for 2000 years? Or some other awatar or prophet? Just curious! RR , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Rohini and Vinay.... > the quote I posted was from Ch V11 in the notes section number 2...I have Usha and Shashi interp which I understand differs very slightly from other interps. > > I wonder if the translators added this ref to Rahu themselves rather than reading any ref to it in the original text, but as Varamahira writes wholes chapters on the Nodes in Brihat Samhita then he clearly was employing them primarily in mundane astrology...as you point out Rohini > best wishes > M > > - > Vinay Jha > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:35 AM > Re: Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > The electronic version of Brihat Jataka does not contain the stanza margie9 is referring to. Chapter-7 (Longevity) of the printed version also does not contain it. Chapter number and verse number should be mentioned by margie9 for facilitating the task of searching. > > Brihat Jataka says (xxv-2): > > " If Sun and Mars occupy the 4th or 10th, death will be caused by stones. " > > Saturn in Lagna is also an inauspicious combination, and so are Rahu in 12th and rest in 8th. When all evil combinations come together, will the effect be ~17 times more auspicious ?? > > -VJ > > ====================== === > > ________________________________ > Marg <margie9 > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 12:37:00 PM > Re: Re: True or mean Rahu > > Hi Rohini > In Brihat Jataka Varamihira does talk about nodes in natal chart....he says if ''The Sun and Mars occupy 4th house from the asc; Saturn occupies the rising sign, Rahu the 12th house and other planets the 8th a person born in the above yoga will live for 2,000 years'' > Has anyone got a chart like this that we know of.......... ..:-) > best wishes > M > > - > Rohiniranjan > > Friday, June 05, 2009 11:48 PM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! > > RR > > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > Dear list > > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > > best wishes > > M > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 THE BRIHAT JATAKA OF VARAHA MIHIRA. TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH BY - N. CHIDAMBARAM AIYAR, B.A., Fellow of the Theosophical Society and Founder of the Tiruvadi Jotistantra Sabha. Second Edition - Revised and Enlarged. 1905. MADRAS – in CHAPTER XXV. 2. If, at the time of birth of a person, the Sun and Mars occupy the 4th or the 10th house from the rising sign, the person will die being struck with stones. If the 4th, 7th and 10th houses be respectively occupied by Saturn, the Moon and Mars, the person will die by falling into a well. If the Sun and Moon occupy sign Virgo and if they be aspected by a malefic planet there will be death caused by the person's kinsmen. If the rising sign be a common sign and if it be occupied by the Sun and the Moon, there will be death by drowning. The Brihajjatakam of Varaha Mihira, translated by Swami Vijnanananda of Belur Math (Alias) Hari Prasanna Chatterjee, B.A., L.C.E. - in CHAPTER XXV. 2. The individual dies of wounds received from stones if, during his birth time, the 4th or the 10th house from the Ascendant be occupied by the Sun and Mars; dies by falling into a well if the 4th, 7th and 10th houses be respectively occupied by Saturn, the Moon and mars; dies the hands of his own relatives, if the sign Kanya be occupied by the afflicted Sun and moon; will meet with death by being drowned, if the Ascendant be a common sign and if it is occupied by the Sun and Moon. C.S.R. , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Vinay-JI, > > Yes xxv-2 in KN Saraswathy's hardcopy version says the same as you wrote. > > I think as a standard practice we all should consider specifying with specific version we are using or quoting from. There are so many versions of each of these ancient texts that it can get pretty muddled otherwise :-) > > RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Ravindramani jee, Very good examples of full citation! I hope all of us manage to follow your model. Thanks RR , " ravindramani " <ravindramani wrote: > > THE BRIHAT JATAKA OF VARAHA MIHIRA. TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH BY - N. CHIDAMBARAM AIYAR, B.A., Fellow of the Theosophical Society and Founder of the Tiruvadi Jotistantra Sabha. Second Edition - Revised and Enlarged. 1905. MADRAS – in CHAPTER XXV. > > 2. If, at the time of birth of a person, the Sun and Mars occupy the 4th or the 10th house from the rising sign, the person will die being struck with stones. If the 4th, 7th and 10th houses be respectively occupied by Saturn, the Moon and Mars, the person will die by falling into a well. If the Sun and Moon occupy sign Virgo and if they be aspected by a malefic planet there will be death caused by the person's kinsmen. If the rising sign be a common sign and if it be occupied by the Sun and the Moon, there will be death by drowning. > > The Brihajjatakam of Varaha Mihira, translated by Swami Vijnanananda of Belur Math (Alias) Hari Prasanna Chatterjee, B.A., L.C.E. - in CHAPTER XXV. > > 2. The individual dies of wounds received from stones if, during his birth time, the 4th or the 10th house from the Ascendant be occupied by the Sun and Mars; dies by falling into a well if the 4th, 7th and 10th houses be respectively occupied by Saturn, the Moon and mars; dies the hands of his own relatives, if the sign Kanya be occupied by the afflicted Sun and moon; will meet with death by being drowned, if the Ascendant be a common sign and if it is occupied by the Sun and Moon. > > C.S.R. > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay-JI, > > > > Yes xxv-2 in KN Saraswathy's hardcopy version says the same as you wrote. > > > > I think as a standard practice we all should consider specifying with specific version we are using or quoting from. There are so many versions of each of these ancient texts that it can get pretty muddled otherwise :-) > > > > RR > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Thanks for Ravindramani ji, -Vinay Jha ========================== == ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani Monday, June 8, 2009 4:25:56 AM Re: True or mean Rahu Ravindramani jee, Very good examples of full citation! I hope all of us manage to follow your model. Thanks RR , " ravindramani " <ravindramani@ ...> wrote: > > THE BRIHAT JATAKA OF VARAHA MIHIRA. TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH BY - N. CHIDAMBARAM AIYAR, B.A., Fellow of the Theosophical Society and Founder of the Tiruvadi Jotistantra Sabha. Second Edition - Revised and Enlarged. 1905. MADRAS – in CHAPTER XXV. > > 2. If, at the time of birth of a person, the Sun and Mars occupy the 4th or the 10th house from the rising sign, the person will die being struck with stones. If the 4th, 7th and 10th houses be respectively occupied by Saturn, the Moon and Mars, the person will die by falling into a well. If the Sun and Moon occupy sign Virgo and if they be aspected by a malefic planet there will be death caused by the person's kinsmen. If the rising sign be a common sign and if it be occupied by the Sun and the Moon, there will be death by drowning. > > The Brihajjatakam of Varaha Mihira, translated by Swami Vijnanananda of Belur Math (Alias) Hari Prasanna Chatterjee, B.A., L.C.E. - in CHAPTER XXV. > > 2. The individual dies of wounds received from stones if, during his birth time, the 4th or the 10th house from the Ascendant be occupied by the Sun and Mars; dies by falling into a well if the 4th, 7th and 10th houses be respectively occupied by Saturn, the Moon and mars; dies the hands of his own relatives, if the sign Kanya be occupied by the afflicted Sun and moon; will meet with death by being drowned, if the Ascendant be a common sign and if it is occupied by the Sun and Moon. > > C.S.R. > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay-JI, > > > > Yes xxv-2 in KN Saraswathy's hardcopy version says the same as you wrote. > > > > I think as a standard practice we all should consider specifying with specific version we are using or quoting from. There are so many versions of each of these ancient texts that it can get pretty muddled otherwise :-) > > > > RR > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Dear Krisnamurthy, Yes I think that's exactly what he means, thanks best wishes M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Sunday, June 07, 2009 11:57 AM Re: Re: True or mean Rahu Dear Marg, I looked up the same verse and was looking for a word that indictes Rahu and I did not find any. Though my Sanskrit knowledge is elementary, I am confident that there is no word that says Rahu directly. However, in my understanding, only Rahu can eclipse Moon and not any other planet. Of course, Sun can cause the combustion. But, in that case the sage would have used the word combustion and not eclipse. Hence, in my opinion, it is correct to interpret that the sage is hinting at Moon being eclipsed by Rahu. Do I make sense? Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Sunday, 7 June, 2009 2:07:37 PM Re: Re: True or mean Rahu Hi Rohini and Vinay and anyone else interested in this thread... In my version Ch XXIII is entitled 'On malefic Yogas' and verse twelve says: ''If at the time of birth of a person , the eclipsed moon, occupy the rising sign, and if Saturn and Mars occupy the 5th and 9th houses from the asc, such person will be subject to the influence of ghosts'' He only gives eye problems resulting for the eclipsed sun rising in the asc with Sat and Mars in 5th and 9th...worse than that he says the person wll lose his eyes.... It seems much can be gained from reading various translations as they do differ in understanding and interpretation. ......... .... best wishes M - Rohiniranjan Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:45 AM Re: True or mean Rahu Dear Vinay ji, This is a very good post! Thanks!! There was never any question about Varahamihira being aware of the lunar nodes, just that he did not seem to take those into a lot of consideration in natal horoscopy. Why? RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > Sir, > > Rashi has no connection to Rahu or Shikhi. > > There are three references to Rahu in Brihat Jataka : > > In BJ-ii-3, names of Rahu are mentioned, which I refereed to in previous mail. > > In Chapter 23 Anishtadhyaya (misfortunes) , Stanza 12: " If Moon when occupying the lagna is eclipsed by Rahu, and evil planets are found in trines, Sun is eclipsed and occupies the lagna, the person becomes blind. " > > It uses the those synonyms of rahu which are mentioned inBJ-ii-3. > > BJ-xii-12 cited above is a proof of Varaha Mihira's acceptance of Rahu as a potent planet as far as phalita is concerned. His Brihat Samhitaa gives details of astrological effects of Rahu over territories and countries, which are related to phalita (predictive astrology). > > In Ganita, he never excluded Rahu (cf. PanchSiddhantika) . Thibaut, the famous translator and commentator of PanchSiddhantika, said that computations of eclipses was the chief concern of varaha Mihira in writing PanchSiddhantika. Eclipses are related to Rahu and Ketu, whose importance Varaha Mihira acknowledges in all his Siddhaanta(Ganita) , Hora and Samhittaa texts. > > In my view, whole of ancient texts have not survived, hence we do not find a fuller treatment of many important things in those texts by ancient masters.BJ-xii- 12 cited above proves that the phalita effect of Rahu was known to Varaha Mihira. But other phalita effects of Rahu are not mentioned in this text whose title is " Great " Jaataka. It is foolish to conclude that Varaha Mihira knew only only one phalita effect of Rahu. Perhaps his book could not be transmitted and preserved in its entirety. > > ############ ######### ######### ######### ######### > > Many important items, like vimshottari dashaa, are absetnt in Varaha mihira's work but are described by his son, which proves that portions of Varaha Mihira's texts are lost. Horaashaastra of his son Prityusha mentions nodes repeatedly. Following is the EXHAUSTIVE list of all occurrences of the term " Rahu " in Prityusha's Horaashaastra : > > " The eight quarters commencing from the East are serially lorded by Surya, Sukr, Mangal, Rahu, Sani, Candr, Budh and Guru. These quarters have strength at all times. " > > " Surya, Guru and Man?gal are masculine Grahas, while Rahu, Sukr and Candr belong to female group. Sani and Budh are eunuchs. " > > > " Brahmins are presided by Guru and Sukr. The royal lot is ruled by Man?gal. Candr is Vaisya. Budh is of mixed breed. Sani is considered to be a Sudra (4th caste), while Rahu is an outcaste (5th caste). Rahu, Sani, Ketu, Surya, Mangal and the dark fortnight Candr are malefics. Budh, Guru, Sukr and waxing Candr are said to be benefics. Budh and Sukr have Rajo Gun, while Guru, Surya and Candr are Sattvic Grahas. Man?gal, Sani and Rahu possess Tamo Gun. " > > " Mandi, the son of Sani, has many colours. Rahuâ?Ts colour is dark collyrium (blue mix). Although the Rasis have pleasing colours, these are changed according to the occupants. " > > " The age of Guru is 30, that of Sukr is 16, that of Surya is 50 and that of Candr is 70. Rahu is 100. " > > Synonyms : " Rahu is indicated, as Tamas, Asura, Swarbhanu, Vidhuntuda, Pata, Sainhikeya, Bhujanga and Ahi.Ketu is called Sikhin, Dhvaja, Dhum, Mrityu Putr and Anala. " > > " The strength of Maìgal is double of Saniâ?Ts. Budh is four times stronger than Budh. Guru is eight times stronger than Budh. Sukr has eight times more strength than that of Guru. Candr is sixteen times stronger than Sukr, Surya has twice the strength of Candr and Rahuâ?Ts strength is twice of Suryaâ?Ts and hence Rahu is the strongest of the Grahas. " > > " Rahu is strong in the South, i. e., when he is on the meridian of the horoscope. " > > " The following combinations (at the time of intercourse) lead to birth of a female issue: a) Candr and Sukr together in Putr, or Karm Bhava; b) Candr and Sukr in their own Rasis and, or Navamsh; c) Rahu rising and receiving a Drishti from Candr, or vice versa. d) Sukr in Candrâ?Ts Hora, or in Kendr from Lagn. " > > " if Rahu is in Labh Bhava in first Dreshkan, denoting right ear, he can > cause either deafness, or an ulcer of right ear.. " > > " Should the 7th from Candr be occupied by Mangal and Surya, while Rahu is in Lagn, death of the child may be expected within ten days of birth.. " > > " If the lord of Lagn is in Marana Pada along with the decreasing Candrin the company of Rahu, or aspected by Rahu, the native dies in his seventh year. " > > " If Candr is weak and aspected by Rahu associated with malefics, or, if the Lagn Lord (or Candr Rasi lord) has set in (i.e. the 7th from Lagn), or occupies the 8th, the child lives upto its 6th, or 8th year " > > " The Lagn lord with Rahu in the 7th brings death in 21 years, or 21 months, or (even) in 21days. " > > " Should malefics occupy Dhan and Vyaya Bhava along with Guru and Rahu and Candr arein Yuvati, or Randhr Bhava, the longevity of the person is not above thirty. " > > " Should a malefic set along with Surya (i.e. being in Yuvati Bhava from Lagn only and not in the 7th Bhava from Candr) and be yuti with Rahu and Guru, while Candr is in Ari, or Randhr Bhava, the life span is 30. " > > " Surya and Candr yuti with Rahu will cause death at the age of 28. It is more certain, ifGuru is also in Vyaya Bhava. " > > " If Guru receives a Drishti from Sani, or is yuti with Rahu and a malefic is in Lagn, whileRandhr Bhava is occupied, the life span is only 22. " > > " Deduction for Grahas in combustion, inimical Bhavas and the visible half, that are involved in war between Grahas, or, that are close to Rahu etc., should be made only after being suitably taught by a Guru. " > > Dasha Effect : > " During a sub-period of Rahu Dasha, when Rahu is placed between (malefic) Grahas, there will be extreme grief for 2 years. Should a sub-period and an inter-sub-period be of two mutually inimical Grahas, one will be deprived of his relations and suffer from diseases. Even though a Grah by nature be auspicious, it yields only inauspicious results, if it is in the company of Rahu. In the end of such Dasha, one will be exposed to diseases griefand displacement. " > > " The Dasha of Randhrâ?Ts lord posited in a Kendr will prove auspicious. Should he be, while being so, eclipsed, or yuti with Rahu, according to the wise, death is inflicted upon thenative. " > > " In the way explained above process add the Navamshas of Rahu and Lagn on the one hand and Maìgal and Lagn on the other hand. The years indicated thus will cause some accident, wound by weapons, tiredness, grief etc. Thus, Navamsh arrived similarly between an auspicious Grah and Lagn will give good results like, sons, wealth, happiness etc. in particular years without any doubt. " > > " If Rahu is in Lagn, the effects of theDasha will be marred. " > > " If the luminaries (i.e. Surya and Candr) are yuti with Rahu, then their sub-period is increased by another half. In such case, Surya and Candr give such results, like Sani and none else. This is the view of some earlier writers. " > > " Lagn Dasha results will be similar to its lord. The Dasha Bhukti of Rahu will be, like that of Sani. During Rahu Bhukti in the Dasha of Surya, or Candr, or Man gal, or Sani, death will happen. Similar is the effecting Rahu Dasha, when the Antar Dasha is that of Surya, or Candr, or Man gal, or Sani. In other Dashas, or Bhuktis, i.e. contrary to the said order,there will be mixed results by Rahu. " > > " The Dasha of the lord of Rahuâ?Ts Navamsh may cause death of the native in a Bhukti whose lord is inimical to him. " > > " The Sphutas of Guru and Rahu at birth should be added. When Guru in transit comes to the Rasi thus revealed, or, when Guru is in Kon in transit to such Rasi, death of thenative will happen. " > > " The longitude of Surya must be changed into minutes of arc and multiplied by Rahuâ?Ts longitude converted into minutes. The product should be divided by 21600 and the quotient etc. should be added to the longitude of Surya at birth. Should Surya in transit arrive such a Rasi, or its Konas, death of the native will occur. This is Chanakyaâ?Ts schoolof thought. " > > " Should Man gal and Sani be in a Kendr, Rahu in Lagn, while benefics are in Vyaya, or Ari Bhava, Chandal Yog is formed. This Yog will make one shun the duties prescribed for the family he succeeds. If Budh, Sukr and Candr are relegated to Kendras, while Rahu is rising, again ChandalYog is produced. The person, who has such Yog will take to mean acts.. " > > 'If Candr is shadowed by Rahu and is placed in Vyaya Bhava along with a malefic, the native will become insane, tend to quarrel, or be irritated. " > > " Should Surya and Rahu be in Yuvati Bhava, the lady will have many husbands. If a malefic is in Yuvati Bhava without strength and benefic Drishti, she will be given up by her husband and, if the said Grah be also in depression, she will be inimical to her husband. " > > " If there are malefics in the Konas from Lagn, or from Candr, or, if Rahu is in > Randhr Bhava, death will be caused by hanging. If Surya and Rahu are in Lagn, while Candr is in Ari/Randhr Bhava and malefics are posited in Vyaya Bhava, death will take place through poison, or weapon. If Rahu is placed in Bandhu, or Randhr Bhava and receives a Drishti from the lord of Randhr Bhava, or, if Randhr Bhava is occupied by malefic, or receives a Drishti from such a Grah, death is indicated by poison, weapon, or fire. Death by hanging is indicated, if Surya is in Yuvati Bhava along with Rahu, or Ketu, while Sukr is in Randhr Bhava. " > > " Should Budh and his Rasi ascend, one will assume the kind of a brutal animal. Should Sani, or Rahu ascend, or, if Saniâ?Ts Rasi is Lagn, the person is destined to take rebirth, as a devil etc. " > > " The Dasha periods, in the scheme of Nakshatr Dasha, otherwise known, as Udu Dasha, or Vimshottari Dasha, are: 6, 10, 7, 18, 16, 19, 17, 7 and 20 years, respectively, for Surya, Candr, Mangal, Rahu, Guru, Sani, Budh, Ketu and Sukr. These Dashas are lorded by the Grahas in the above order, counted from the Nakshatr Kritika. " > > " During the conclusion of the Dashas of Surya, Man gal, Sani and Rahu, there will be diseases, destruction of wealth, disputes and evil incidents. " > > " Rahuâ?Ts (dashaa) effects will be, like Saniâ?Ts. " > > ############ ######### ######### ######### ######### > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 10:39:18 AM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > It was a western astrologer turned jyotishi originating in a nordic country that used to frequent the Jyotish-List some two decades ago who used to make that point and also spoke about the " sophisticated " navamsa. This was just prior to the advent of Sanjay Rath and his students who went beyond and brought to the hungry jyotish crowds the nine yards about other vargas and other dashas and so on. The rest is modern history! > > It is good of you to give the reference that is also in Dr. Saraswathy's edition that I have here handy and thank you for pointing it out to me! > > Did Varahamihira take it any further in Vrihata Jataka and pronounce some of the effects that the nativities may experience due to RAhu SHIkhi? > > You reminded me of our dear Tatvamasi Ji who wrote that RA-SHI had reference to the lunar nodes (RAhu and SHIkhi or ketu)! Please do not take this literally -- I am just recollecting! > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > I do not know who started propagating the modern myth that nodes are not mentioned in Varaha mihira's Brihat-Jaataka ; this work says ; > > > > " Raahustamoagurasur ashcha Shikhiti Ketuh paryaayam... . " (chapter-2, verse-3) > > > > Which means " the synonyms of Raahu are Tama and Agu, while of Ketu is Shikhi " .. > > > > > > The ancient commentary of Varaha Mihira's Brihat-Jaataka by Bhatta Utpala also mentions the same in the commentary of this verse, and gives additional synonyms of nodes. The words " Raahu " and " Ketu " are mentioned in all works of Varaha Mihira, like Brihat-Jaataka, Brihat-Samhitaa, Panch-siddhaantikaa . > > > > There are certain astrological processes in which nodes are not needed, in Brihat-Jaataka as well as in BPHS. In a few processes, even Sun and Moon are omitted, eg, five elements are related to five planets only in BPHS(Fire, Earth, etc, BPHS, chapter-3, verse-21) , which cannot be cited out of context to prove that Sun and Moon were absent in BPHS. > > > > Nodes needed to be excluded from Indian Astrology in order to prove a Greek origin of Indian Astrology. I hope you will put such chauvinist works in proper perspectives. > > > > -VJ > > ============ ========= == === > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 4:18:56 AM > > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! > > > > RR > > > > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear list > > > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > > > best wishes > > > M > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Very nice translation thanks :-) - ravindramani Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:47 PM Re: True or mean Rahu To those who are interested on this Verse-12, Chapter, XXIII, " Udayati " = on rising in the horizon " Udupe " = the Moon " Surasyage " = united with Rahu i.e. when it is a Lunar Eclipse " sa " = the individual born " Sapisacha " = possessed by a ghost " Asubhayoh " = on the malefic being " Trikonayoh " = in the Trikona houses " Sopaplavamandale " = on being eclipsed " Ravau " = the Sun " Udayasthe " = in the ascendant " Nayanapavarjitah " = i.e. will be blind, will be deprived of eyes. C.S. Ravindramani ================================================================= , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > To All, > > See message number 23524 sent yesterday, it contains ALL references to > Rahu in Brihat Jatak, including that being discussed by Mr Krishnamurthy > Seetharama and margie9 ; they perhaps did not read message number 23524 > which also clarified that Brihat Jatak (Chapter 23 Anishtadhyaya or > Misfortunes, Stanza 12) " uses the those synonyms of rahu which are > mentioned inBJ-ii-3 " . > > The term " Asura " is used for Rahu in this verse, and Brihat Jatak-ii-3 > says Asura is a synonymn for Rahu. The ancient commentatore Bhatta > Utpala also explains this verse as " Asuraasyage Raahugraste.. " . > > Mr Krishnamurthy Seetharama should not say " I am confident that there is > no word that says Rahu directly " , because Brihat Jatak itseld says that > Asura is a syninymn for Rahu. Rahu is directly mentioned by its name > Asura which eclipses Sun in this verse (XXiii-12). > > -VJ > ================================= == > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > Dear Marg, > > > > I looked up the same verse and was looking for a word that indictes > Rahu and I did not find any. Though my Sanskrit knowledge is elementary, > I am confident that there is no word that says Rahu directly. However, > in my understanding, only Rahu can eclipse Moon and not any other > planet. Of course, Sun can cause the combustion. But, in that case the > sage would have used the word combustion and not eclipse. Hence, in my > opinion, it is correct to interpret that the sage is hinting at Moon > being eclipsed by Rahu. > > > > Do I make sense? > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 H R I wasn't thinking of any.... was just asking humorously if anyone currently knew someone of that age span:-) ??? - Rohiniranjan Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:25 PM Re: True or mean Rahu Hi Marg, Good! Now we can move ahead ;-) By the way, were you thinking of Christ's horoscope when you mentioned about the person('sname?) living for 2000 years? Or some other awatar or prophet? Just curious! RR , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Rohini and Vinay.... > the quote I posted was from Ch V11 in the notes section number 2...I have Usha and Shashi interp which I understand differs very slightly from other interps. > > I wonder if the translators added this ref to Rahu themselves rather than reading any ref to it in the original text, but as Varamahira writes wholes chapters on the Nodes in Brihat Samhita then he clearly was employing them primarily in mundane astrology...as you point out Rohini > best wishes > M > > - > Vinay Jha > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:35 AM > Re: Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > The electronic version of Brihat Jataka does not contain the stanza margie9 is referring to. Chapter-7 (Longevity) of the printed version also does not contain it. Chapter number and verse number should be mentioned by margie9 for facilitating the task of searching. > > Brihat Jataka says (xxv-2): > > " If Sun and Mars occupy the 4th or 10th, death will be caused by stones. " > > Saturn in Lagna is also an inauspicious combination, and so are Rahu in 12th and rest in 8th. When all evil combinations come together, will the effect be ~17 times more auspicious ?? > > -VJ > > ====================== === > > ________________________________ > Marg <margie9 > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 12:37:00 PM > Re: Re: True or mean Rahu > > Hi Rohini > In Brihat Jataka Varamihira does talk about nodes in natal chart....he says if ''The Sun and Mars occupy 4th house from the asc; Saturn occupies the rising sign, Rahu the 12th house and other planets the 8th a person born in the above yoga will live for 2,000 years'' > Has anyone got a chart like this that we know of.......... ..:-) > best wishes > M > > - > Rohiniranjan > > Friday, June 05, 2009 11:48 PM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! > > RR > > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > Dear list > > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > > best wishes > > M > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Translation was by Swami Vijnanananda of Belur Math. The credit goes to him. I simply typed and posted here. CSR , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > Very nice translation thanks :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 To Krisnamurthy Ji and margie9 <<< " I looked up the same verse and was looking for a word that indictes Rahu and I did not find any. Though my Sanskrit knowledge is elementary, I am confident that there is no word that says Rahu directly. " >>> Synonymns of rahu are used in this verse, and those synonymns are explained in another verse of same text as being syninymns of Rahu, yet Margie9is ignoring the fact and taking a wrong statement of KrisnamurthyJi as evidence !! KrisnamurthyJi , please take care before posting your opinions, some westerners want to prove that Rahu and Ketu were absent in Vedic Astrology. Why you do not read the replies by me and others which have provided all proofs of Rahu in Brihat Jatak ? I know Margie9 will ignore those evidences. -VJ ======================= ==== ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Monday, June 8, 2009 1:17:28 PM Re: Re: True or mean Rahu Dear Krisnamurthy, Yes I think that's exactly what he means, thanks best wishes M - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Sunday, June 07, 2009 11:57 AM Re: Re: True or mean Rahu Dear Marg, I looked up the same verse and was looking for a word that indictes Rahu and I did not find any. Though my Sanskrit knowledge is elementary, I am confident that there is no word that says Rahu directly. However, in my understanding, only Rahu can eclipse Moon and not any other planet. Of course, Sun can cause the combustion. But, in that case the sage would have used the word combustion and not eclipse. Hence, in my opinion, it is correct to interpret that the sage is hinting at Moon being eclipsed by Rahu. Do I make sense? Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Sunday, 7 June, 2009 2:07:37 PM Re: Re: True or mean Rahu Hi Rohini and Vinay and anyone else interested in this thread... In my version Ch XXIII is entitled 'On malefic Yogas' and verse twelve says: ''If at the time of birth of a person , the eclipsed moon, occupy the rising sign, and if Saturn and Mars occupy the 5th and 9th houses from the asc, such person will be subject to the influence of ghosts'' He only gives eye problems resulting for the eclipsed sun rising in the asc with Sat and Mars in 5th and 9th...worse than that he says the person wll lose his eyes.... It seems much can be gained from reading various translations as they do differ in understanding and interpretation. ......... .... best wishes M - Rohiniranjan Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:45 AM Re: True or mean Rahu Dear Vinay ji, This is a very good post! Thanks!! There was never any question about Varahamihira being aware of the lunar nodes, just that he did not seem to take those into a lot of consideration in natal horoscopy. Why? RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > Sir, > > Rashi has no connection to Rahu or Shikhi. > > There are three references to Rahu in Brihat Jataka : > > In BJ-ii-3, names of Rahu are mentioned, which I refereed to in previous mail. > > In Chapter 23 Anishtadhyaya (misfortunes) , Stanza 12: " If Moon when occupying the lagna is eclipsed by Rahu, and evil planets are found in trines, Sun is eclipsed and occupies the lagna, the person becomes blind. " > > It uses the those synonyms of rahu which are mentioned inBJ-ii-3. > > BJ-xii-12 cited above is a proof of Varaha Mihira's acceptance of Rahu as a potent planet as far as phalita is concerned. His Brihat Samhitaa gives details of astrological effects of Rahu over territories and countries, which are related to phalita (predictive astrology). > > In Ganita, he never excluded Rahu (cf. PanchSiddhantika) . Thibaut, the famous translator and commentator of PanchSiddhantika, said that computations of eclipses was the chief concern of varaha Mihira in writing PanchSiddhantika. Eclipses are related to Rahu and Ketu, whose importance Varaha Mihira acknowledges in all his Siddhaanta(Ganita) , Hora and Samhittaa texts. > > In my view, whole of ancient texts have not survived, hence we do not find a fuller treatment of many important things in those texts by ancient masters.BJ-xii- 12 cited above proves that the phalita effect of Rahu was known to Varaha Mihira.. But other phalita effects of Rahu are not mentioned in this text whose title is " Great " Jaataka. It is foolish to conclude that Varaha Mihira knew only only one phalita effect of Rahu. Perhaps his book could not be transmitted and preserved in its entirety. > > ############ ######### ######### ######### ######### > > Many important items, like vimshottari dashaa, are absetnt in Varaha mihira's work but are described by his son, which proves that portions of Varaha Mihira's texts are lost. Horaashaastra of his son Prityusha mentions nodes repeatedly. Following is the EXHAUSTIVE list of all occurrences of the term " Rahu " in Prityusha's Horaashaastra : > > " The eight quarters commencing from the East are serially lorded by Surya, Sukr, Mangal, Rahu, Sani, Candr, Budh and Guru. These quarters have strength at all times. " > > " Surya, Guru and Man?gal are masculine Grahas, while Rahu, Sukr and Candr belong to female group. Sani and Budh are eunuchs. " > > > " Brahmins are presided by Guru and Sukr. The royal lot is ruled by Man?gal. Candr is Vaisya. Budh is of mixed breed. Sani is considered to be a Sudra (4th caste), while Rahu is an outcaste (5th caste). Rahu, Sani, Ketu, Surya, Mangal and the dark fortnight Candr are malefics. Budh, Guru, Sukr and waxing Candr are said to be benefics. Budh and Sukr have Rajo Gun, while Guru, Surya and Candr are Sattvic Grahas. Man?gal, Sani and Rahu possess Tamo Gun. " > > " Mandi, the son of Sani, has many colours. Rahuâ?Ts colour is dark collyrium (blue mix). Although the Rasis have pleasing colours, these are changed according to the occupants. " > > " The age of Guru is 30, that of Sukr is 16, that of Surya is 50 and that of Candr is 70. Rahu is 100. " > > Synonyms : " Rahu is indicated, as Tamas, Asura, Swarbhanu, Vidhuntuda, Pata, Sainhikeya, Bhujanga and Ahi.Ketu is called Sikhin, Dhvaja, Dhum, Mrityu Putr and Anala. " > > " The strength of Maìgal is double of Saniâ?Ts. Budh is four times stronger than Budh. Guru is eight times stronger than Budh. Sukr has eight times more strength than that of Guru. Candr is sixteen times stronger than Sukr, Surya has twice the strength of Candr and Rahuâ?Ts strength is twice of Suryaâ?Ts and hence Rahu is the strongest of the Grahas. " > > " Rahu is strong in the South, i. e., when he is on the meridian of the horoscope. " > > " The following combinations (at the time of intercourse) lead to birth of a female issue: a) Candr and Sukr together in Putr, or Karm Bhava; b) Candr and Sukr in their own Rasis and, or Navamsh; c) Rahu rising and receiving a Drishti from Candr, or vice versa. d) Sukr in Candrâ?Ts Hora, or in Kendr from Lagn. " > > " if Rahu is in Labh Bhava in first Dreshkan, denoting right ear, he can > cause either deafness, or an ulcer of right ear.. " > > " Should the 7th from Candr be occupied by Mangal and Surya, while Rahu is in Lagn, death of the child may be expected within ten days of birth.. " > > " If the lord of Lagn is in Marana Pada along with the decreasing Candrin the company of Rahu, or aspected by Rahu, the native dies in his seventh year. " > > " If Candr is weak and aspected by Rahu associated with malefics, or, if the Lagn Lord (or Candr Rasi lord) has set in (i.e.. the 7th from Lagn), or occupies the 8th, the child lives upto its 6th, or 8th year " > > " The Lagn lord with Rahu in the 7th brings death in 21 years, or 21 months, or (even) in 21days. " > > " Should malefics occupy Dhan and Vyaya Bhava along with Guru and Rahu and Candr arein Yuvati, or Randhr Bhava, the longevity of the person is not above thirty. " > > " Should a malefic set along with Surya (i.e. being in Yuvati Bhava from Lagn only and not in the 7th Bhava from Candr) and be yuti with Rahu and Guru, while Candr is in Ari, or Randhr Bhava, the life span is 30. " > > " Surya and Candr yuti with Rahu will cause death at the age of 28. It is more certain, ifGuru is also in Vyaya Bhava. " > > " If Guru receives a Drishti from Sani, or is yuti with Rahu and a malefic is in Lagn, whileRandhr Bhava is occupied, the life span is only 22. " > > " Deduction for Grahas in combustion, inimical Bhavas and the visible half, that are involved in war between Grahas, or, that are close to Rahu etc., should be made only after being suitably taught by a Guru. " > > Dasha Effect : > " During a sub-period of Rahu Dasha, when Rahu is placed between (malefic) Grahas, there will be extreme grief for 2 years. Should a sub-period and an inter-sub-period be of two mutually inimical Grahas, one will be deprived of his relations and suffer from diseases. Even though a Grah by nature be auspicious, it yields only inauspicious results, if it is in the company of Rahu. In the end of such Dasha, one will be exposed to diseases griefand displacement. " > > " The Dasha of Randhrâ?Ts lord posited in a Kendr will prove auspicious. Should he be, while being so, eclipsed, or yuti with Rahu, according to the wise, death is inflicted upon thenative. " > > " In the way explained above process add the Navamshas of Rahu and Lagn on the one hand and Maìgal and Lagn on the other hand. The years indicated thus will cause some accident, wound by weapons, tiredness, grief etc. Thus, Navamsh arrived similarly between an auspicious Grah and Lagn will give good results like, sons, wealth, happiness etc. in particular years without any doubt. " > > " If Rahu is in Lagn, the effects of theDasha will be marred. " > > " If the luminaries (i.e. Surya and Candr) are yuti with Rahu, then their sub-period is increased by another half. In such case, Surya and Candr give such results, like Sani and none else. This is the view of some earlier writers. " > > " Lagn Dasha results will be similar to its lord. The Dasha Bhukti of Rahu will be, like that of Sani. During Rahu Bhukti in the Dasha of Surya, or Candr, or Man gal, or Sani, death will happen. Similar is the effecting Rahu Dasha, when the Antar Dasha is that of Surya, or Candr, or Man gal, or Sani. In other Dashas, or Bhuktis, i.e. contrary to the said order,there will be mixed results by Rahu. " > > " The Dasha of the lord of Rahuâ?Ts Navamsh may cause death of the native in a Bhukti whose lord is inimical to him. " > > " The Sphutas of Guru and Rahu at birth should be added. When Guru in transit comes to the Rasi thus revealed, or, when Guru is in Kon in transit to such Rasi, death of thenative will happen. " > > " The longitude of Surya must be changed into minutes of arc and multiplied by Rahuâ?Ts longitude converted into minutes. The product should be divided by 21600 and the quotient etc. should be added to the longitude of Surya at birth. Should Surya in transit arrive such a Rasi, or its Konas, death of the native will occur. This is Chanakyaâ?Ts schoolof thought.. " > > " Should Man gal and Sani be in a Kendr, Rahu in Lagn, while benefics are in Vyaya, or Ari Bhava, Chandal Yog is formed. This Yog will make one shun the duties prescribed for the family he succeeds. If Budh, Sukr and Candr are relegated to Kendras, while Rahu is rising, again ChandalYog is produced. The person, who has such Yog will take to mean acts.. " > > 'If Candr is shadowed by Rahu and is placed in Vyaya Bhava along with a malefic, the native will become insane, tend to quarrel, or be irritated. " > > " Should Surya and Rahu be in Yuvati Bhava, the lady will have many husbands. If a malefic is in Yuvati Bhava without strength and benefic Drishti, she will be given up by her husband and, if the said Grah be also in depression, she will be inimical to her husband. " > > " If there are malefics in the Konas from Lagn, or from Candr, or, if Rahu is in > Randhr Bhava, death will be caused by hanging. If Surya and Rahu are in Lagn, while Candr is in Ari/Randhr Bhava and malefics are posited in Vyaya Bhava, death will take place through poison, or weapon. If Rahu is placed in Bandhu, or Randhr Bhava and receives a Drishti from the lord of Randhr Bhava, or, if Randhr Bhava is occupied by malefic, or receives a Drishti from such a Grah, death is indicated by poison, weapon, or fire. Death by hanging is indicated, if Surya is in Yuvati Bhava along with Rahu, or Ketu, while Sukr is in Randhr Bhava. " > > " Should Budh and his Rasi ascend, one will assume the kind of a brutal animal. Should Sani, or Rahu ascend, or, if Saniâ?Ts Rasi is Lagn, the person is destined to take rebirth, as a devil etc. " > > " The Dasha periods, in the scheme of Nakshatr Dasha, otherwise known, as Udu Dasha, or Vimshottari Dasha, are: 6, 10, 7, 18, 16, 19, 17, 7 and 20 years, respectively, for Surya, Candr, Mangal, Rahu, Guru, Sani, Budh, Ketu and Sukr. These Dashas are lorded by the Grahas in the above order, counted from the Nakshatr Kritika. " > > " During the conclusion of the Dashas of Surya, Man gal, Sani and Rahu, there will be diseases, destruction of wealth, disputes and evil incidents. " > > " Rahuâ?Ts (dashaa) effects will be, like Saniâ?Ts. " > > ############ ######### ######### ######### ######### > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 10:39:18 AM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > It was a western astrologer turned jyotishi originating in a nordic country that used to frequent the Jyotish-List some two decades ago who used to make that point and also spoke about the " sophisticated " navamsa. This was just prior to the advent of Sanjay Rath and his students who went beyond and brought to the hungry jyotish crowds the nine yards about other vargas and other dashas and so on. The rest is modern history! > > It is good of you to give the reference that is also in Dr. Saraswathy's edition that I have here handy and thank you for pointing it out to me! > > Did Varahamihira take it any further in Vrihata Jataka and pronounce some of the effects that the nativities may experience due to RAhu SHIkhi? > > You reminded me of our dear Tatvamasi Ji who wrote that RA-SHI had reference to the lunar nodes (RAhu and SHIkhi or ketu)! Please do not take this literally -- I am just recollecting! > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Rohini Da, > > > > I do not know who started propagating the modern myth that nodes are not mentioned in Varaha mihira's Brihat-Jaataka ; this work says ; > > > > " Raahustamoagurasur ashcha Shikhiti Ketuh paryaayam... . " (chapter-2, verse-3) > > > > Which means " the synonyms of Raahu are Tama and Agu, while of Ketu is Shikhi " .. > > > > > > The ancient commentary of Varaha Mihira's Brihat-Jaataka by Bhatta Utpala also mentions the same in the commentary of this verse, and gives additional synonyms of nodes. The words " Raahu " and " Ketu " are mentioned in all works of Varaha Mihira, like Brihat-Jaataka, Brihat-Samhitaa, Panch-siddhaantikaa . > > > > There are certain astrological processes in which nodes are not needed, in Brihat-Jaataka as well as in BPHS. In a few processes, even Sun and Moon are omitted, eg, five elements are related to five planets only in BPHS(Fire, Earth, etc, BPHS, chapter-3, verse-21) , which cannot be cited out of context to prove that Sun and Moon were absent in BPHS. > > > > Nodes needed to be excluded from Indian Astrology in order to prove a Greek origin of Indian Astrology. I hope you will put such chauvinist works in proper perspectives. > > > > -VJ > > ============ ========= == === > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 4:18:56 AM > > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! > > > > RR > > > > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear list > > > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > > > best wishes > > > M > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 No margie, Surasyage is actually Asurasyage in the text, in which Asura and Agu (declined as Age) are synonymns of Rahu (according to same text). -VJ ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Monday, June 8, 2009 1:22:14 PM Re: Re: True or mean Rahu Very nice translation thanks :-) - ravindramani Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:47 PM Re: True or mean Rahu To those who are interested on this Verse-12, Chapter, XXIII, " Udayati " = on rising in the horizon " Udupe " = the Moon " Surasyage " = united with Rahu i.e. when it is a Lunar Eclipse " sa " = the individual born " Sapisacha " = possessed by a ghost " Asubhayoh " = on the malefic being " Trikonayoh " = in the Trikona houses " Sopaplavamandale " = on being eclipsed " Ravau " = the Sun " Udayasthe " = in the ascendant " Nayanapavarjitah " = i.e. will be blind, will be deprived of eyes. C.S. Ravindramani ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ======== , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > To All, > > See message number 23524 sent yesterday, it contains ALL references to > Rahu in Brihat Jatak, including that being discussed by Mr Krishnamurthy > Seetharama and margie9 ; they perhaps did not read message number 23524 > which also clarified that Brihat Jatak (Chapter 23 Anishtadhyaya or > Misfortunes, Stanza 12) " uses the those synonyms of rahu which are > mentioned inBJ-ii-3 " . > > The term " Asura " is used for Rahu in this verse, and Brihat Jatak-ii-3 > says Asura is a synonymn for Rahu. The ancient commentatore Bhatta > Utpala also explains this verse as " Asuraasyage Raahugraste. . " . > > Mr Krishnamurthy Seetharama should not say " I am confident that there is > no word that says Rahu directly " , because Brihat Jatak itseld says that > Asura is a syninymn for Rahu. Rahu is directly mentioned by its name > Asura which eclipses Sun in this verse (XXiii-12). > > -VJ > ============ ========= ========= === == > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Marg, > > > > I looked up the same verse and was looking for a word that indictes > Rahu and I did not find any. Though my Sanskrit knowledge is elementary, > I am confident that there is no word that says Rahu directly. However, > in my understanding, only Rahu can eclipse Moon and not any other > planet. Of course, Sun can cause the combustion. But, in that case the > sage would have used the word combustion and not eclipse. Hence, in my > opinion, it is correct to interpret that the sage is hinting at Moon > being eclipsed by Rahu. > > > > Do I make sense? > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 " just asking humorously " by quoting a verse which did not form part of the text ???? Why Margie does not quote the chapter and verse number of that verse which she found in BJ and I said it was absent in BJ ? -VJ ================= == ________________________________ Marg <margie9 Monday, June 8, 2009 1:24:52 PM Re: Re: True or mean Rahu H R I wasn't thinking of any.... was just asking humorously if anyone currently knew someone of that age span:-) ??? - Rohiniranjan Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:25 PM Re: True or mean Rahu Hi Marg, Good! Now we can move ahead ;-) By the way, were you thinking of Christ's horoscope when you mentioned about the person('sname? ) living for 2000 years? Or some other awatar or prophet? Just curious! RR , " Marg " <margie9 > wrote: > > Rohini and Vinay.... > the quote I posted was from Ch V11 in the notes section number 2...I have Usha and Shashi interp which I understand differs very slightly from other interps. > > I wonder if the translators added this ref to Rahu themselves rather than reading any ref to it in the original text, but as Varamahira writes wholes chapters on the Nodes in Brihat Samhita then he clearly was employing them primarily in mundane astrology... as you point out Rohini > best wishes > M > > - > Vinay Jha > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:35 AM > Re: Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > The electronic version of Brihat Jataka does not contain the stanza margie9 is referring to. Chapter-7 (Longevity) of the printed version also does not contain it. Chapter number and verse number should be mentioned by margie9 for facilitating the task of searching. > > Brihat Jataka says (xxv-2): > > " If Sun and Mars occupy the 4th or 10th, death will be caused by stones. " > > Saturn in Lagna is also an inauspicious combination, and so are Rahu in 12th and rest in 8th. When all evil combinations come together, will the effect be ~17 times more auspicious ?? > > -VJ > > ============ ========= = === > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Marg <margie9 > > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 12:37:00 PM > Re: Re: True or mean Rahu > > Hi Rohini > In Brihat Jataka Varamihira does talk about nodes in natal chart....he says if ''The Sun and Mars occupy 4th house from the asc; Saturn occupies the rising sign, Rahu the 12th house and other planets the 8th a person born in the above yoga will live for 2,000 years'' > Has anyone got a chart like this that we know of.......... ..:-) > best wishes > M > > - > Rohiniranjan > > Friday, June 05, 2009 11:48 PM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! > > RR > > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > Dear list > > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > > best wishes > > M > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 I was thinking of that as not the life of the body but life of an entity! The name lives on ... But what is in a name ... ;-) RR , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > H R > I wasn't thinking of any.... was just asking humorously if anyone currently knew someone of that age span:-) > ??? > > - > Rohiniranjan > > Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:25 PM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > Hi Marg, > > Good! Now we can move ahead ;-) > > By the way, were you thinking of Christ's horoscope when you mentioned about the person('sname?) living for 2000 years? Or some other awatar or prophet? Just curious! > > RR > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > Rohini and Vinay.... > > the quote I posted was from Ch V11 in the notes section number 2...I have Usha and Shashi interp which I understand differs very slightly from other interps. > > > > I wonder if the translators added this ref to Rahu themselves rather than reading any ref to it in the original text, but as Varamahira writes wholes chapters on the Nodes in Brihat Samhita then he clearly was employing them primarily in mundane astrology...as you point out Rohini > > best wishes > > M > > > > - > > Vinay Jha > > > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:35 AM > > Re: Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > The electronic version of Brihat Jataka does not contain the stanza margie9 is referring to. Chapter-7 (Longevity) of the printed version also does not contain it. Chapter number and verse number should be mentioned by margie9 for facilitating the task of searching. > > > > Brihat Jataka says (xxv-2): > > > > " If Sun and Mars occupy the 4th or 10th, death will be caused by stones. " > > > > Saturn in Lagna is also an inauspicious combination, and so are Rahu in 12th and rest in 8th. When all evil combinations come together, will the effect be ~17 times more auspicious ?? > > > > -VJ > > > > ====================== === > > > > ________________________________ > > Marg <margie9@> > > > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 12:37:00 PM > > Re: Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > Hi Rohini > > In Brihat Jataka Varamihira does talk about nodes in natal chart....he says if ''The Sun and Mars occupy 4th house from the asc; Saturn occupies the rising sign, Rahu the 12th house and other planets the 8th a person born in the above yoga will live for 2,000 years'' > > Has anyone got a chart like this that we know of.......... ..:-) > > best wishes > > M > > > > - > > Rohiniranjan > > > > Friday, June 05, 2009 11:48 PM > > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! > > > > RR > > > > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear list > > > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > > > best wishes > > > M > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Dear Vinayji, Which RAHU is preferred for prediction? Regds Chandrasekaran.B On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Vinay Jha<vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > No margie, Surasyage is actually Asurasyage in the text, in which Asura and > Agu (declined as Age) are synonymns of Rahu (according to same text). > > -VJ > > ________________________________ > Marg <margie9 > > Monday, June 8, 2009 1:22:14 PM > Re: Re: True or mean Rahu > > Very nice translation thanks :-) > - > ravindramani > > Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:47 PM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > To those who are interested on this Verse-12, Chapter, XXIII, > > " Udayati " = on rising in the horizon > > " Udupe " = the Moon > > " Surasyage " = united with Rahu i.e. when it is a Lunar Eclipse > > " sa " = the individual born > > " Sapisacha " = possessed by a ghost > > " Asubhayoh " = on the malefic being > > " Trikonayoh " = in the Trikona houses > > " Sopaplavamandale " = on being eclipsed > > " Ravau " = the Sun > > " Udayasthe " = in the ascendant > > " Nayanapavarjitah " = i.e. will be blind, will be deprived of eyes. > > C.S. Ravindramani > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ======== > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > wrote: >> >> To All, >> >> See message number 23524 sent yesterday, it contains ALL references to >> Rahu in Brihat Jatak, including that being discussed by Mr Krishnamurthy >> Seetharama and margie9 ; they perhaps did not read message number 23524 >> which also clarified that Brihat Jatak (Chapter 23 Anishtadhyaya or >> Misfortunes, Stanza 12) " uses the those synonyms of rahu which are >> mentioned inBJ-ii-3 " . >> >> The term " Asura " is used for Rahu in this verse, and Brihat Jatak-ii-3 >> says Asura is a synonymn for Rahu. The ancient commentatore Bhatta >> Utpala also explains this verse as " Asuraasyage Raahugraste. . " . >> >> Mr Krishnamurthy Seetharama should not say " I am confident that there is >> no word that says Rahu directly " , because Brihat Jatak itseld says that >> Asura is a syninymn for Rahu. Rahu is directly mentioned by its name >> Asura which eclipses Sun in this verse (XXiii-12). >> >> -VJ >> ============ ========= ========= === == >> >> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama >> <krishna_1998@ > wrote: >> > >> > Dear Marg, >> > >> > I looked up the same verse and was looking for a word that indictes >> Rahu and I did not find any. Though my Sanskrit knowledge is elementary, >> I am confident that there is no word that says Rahu directly. However, >> in my understanding, only Rahu can eclipse Moon and not any other >> planet. Of course, Sun can cause the combustion. But, in that case the >> sage would have used the word combustion and not eclipse. Hence, in my >> opinion, it is correct to interpret that the sage is hinting at Moon >> being eclipsed by Rahu. >> > >> > Do I make sense? >> > >> > Regards, >> > Krishna >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Good point, didn't think of it that way, but now you mention it maybe I should...thanks:-) - Rohiniranjan Monday, June 08, 2009 5:09 PM Re: True or mean Rahu I was thinking of that as not the life of the body but life of an entity! The name lives on ... But what is in a name ... ;-) RR , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: > > H R > I wasn't thinking of any.... was just asking humorously if anyone currently knew someone of that age span:-) > ??? > > - > Rohiniranjan > > Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:25 PM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > Hi Marg, > > Good! Now we can move ahead ;-) > > By the way, were you thinking of Christ's horoscope when you mentioned about the person('sname?) living for 2000 years? Or some other awatar or prophet? Just curious! > > RR > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > Rohini and Vinay.... > > the quote I posted was from Ch V11 in the notes section number 2...I have Usha and Shashi interp which I understand differs very slightly from other interps. > > > > I wonder if the translators added this ref to Rahu themselves rather than reading any ref to it in the original text, but as Varamahira writes wholes chapters on the Nodes in Brihat Samhita then he clearly was employing them primarily in mundane astrology...as you point out Rohini > > best wishes > > M > > > > - > > Vinay Jha > > > > Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:35 AM > > Re: Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > The electronic version of Brihat Jataka does not contain the stanza margie9 is referring to. Chapter-7 (Longevity) of the printed version also does not contain it. Chapter number and verse number should be mentioned by margie9 for facilitating the task of searching. > > > > Brihat Jataka says (xxv-2): > > > > " If Sun and Mars occupy the 4th or 10th, death will be caused by stones. " > > > > Saturn in Lagna is also an inauspicious combination, and so are Rahu in 12th and rest in 8th. When all evil combinations come together, will the effect be ~17 times more auspicious ?? > > > > -VJ > > > > ====================== === > > > > ________________________________ > > Marg <margie9@> > > > > Saturday, June 6, 2009 12:37:00 PM > > Re: Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > Hi Rohini > > In Brihat Jataka Varamihira does talk about nodes in natal chart....he says if ''The Sun and Mars occupy 4th house from the asc; Saturn occupies the rising sign, Rahu the 12th house and other planets the 8th a person born in the above yoga will live for 2,000 years'' > > Has anyone got a chart like this that we know of.......... ..:-) > > best wishes > > M > > > > - > > Rohiniranjan > > > > Friday, June 05, 2009 11:48 PM > > Re: True or mean Rahu > > > > There is something interesting about Varahamihira' s writings. Nodes are not mentioned in Jataka (natal horoscopy) but does mention their effects and participation in mundane astrology (his samhita). I will leave the guessing to others! > > > > RR > > > > , " Marg " <margie9@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear list > > > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > > > best wishes > > > M > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 If a word (such as Rahu) has two or more synonymns, why you infer it means there are more than one Rahu ? In Brihat Jataks, Rahus is also called as Tama, Asura and Agu, which are synonymns of Rahu. Synonymn meas Paryaaya. -VJ ________________________________ chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975 Monday, June 8, 2009 9:42:07 PM Re: Re: True or mean Rahu Dear Vinayji, Which RAHU is preferred for prediction? Regds Chandrasekaran. B On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Vinay Jha<vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > No margie, Surasyage is actually Asurasyage in the text, in which Asura and > Agu (declined as Age) are synonymns of Rahu (according to same text). > > -VJ > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > Monday, June 8, 2009 1:22:14 PM > Re: Re: True or mean Rahu > > Very nice translation thanks :-) > - > ravindramani > > Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:47 PM > Re: True or mean Rahu > > To those who are interested on this Verse-12, Chapter, XXIII, > > " Udayati " = on rising in the horizon > > " Udupe " = the Moon > > " Surasyage " = united with Rahu i.e. when it is a Lunar Eclipse > > " sa " = the individual born > > " Sapisacha " = possessed by a ghost > > " Asubhayoh " = on the malefic being > > " Trikonayoh " = in the Trikona houses > > " Sopaplavamandale " = on being eclipsed > > " Ravau " = the Sun > > " Udayasthe " = in the ascendant > > " Nayanapavarjitah " = i.e. will be blind, will be deprived of eyes. > > C.S. Ravindramani > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ======== > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > wrote: >> >> To All, >> >> See message number 23524 sent yesterday, it contains ALL references to >> Rahu in Brihat Jatak, including that being discussed by Mr Krishnamurthy >> Seetharama and margie9 ; they perhaps did not read message number 23524 >> which also clarified that Brihat Jatak (Chapter 23 Anishtadhyaya or >> Misfortunes, Stanza 12) " uses the those synonyms of rahu which are >> mentioned inBJ-ii-3 " . >> >> The term " Asura " is used for Rahu in this verse, and Brihat Jatak-ii-3 >> says Asura is a synonymn for Rahu. The ancient commentatore Bhatta >> Utpala also explains this verse as " Asuraasyage Raahugraste. . " . >> >> Mr Krishnamurthy Seetharama should not say " I am confident that there is >> no word that says Rahu directly " , because Brihat Jatak itseld says that >> Asura is a syninymn for Rahu. Rahu is directly mentioned by its name >> Asura which eclipses Sun in this verse (XXiii-12). >> >> -VJ >> ============ ========= ========= === == >> >> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama >> <krishna_1998@ > wrote: >> > >> > Dear Marg, >> > >> > I looked up the same verse and was looking for a word that indictes >> Rahu and I did not find any. Though my Sanskrit knowledge is elementary, >> I am confident that there is no word that says Rahu directly. However, >> in my understanding, only Rahu can eclipse Moon and not any other >> planet. Of course, Sun can cause the combustion. But, in that case the >> sage would have used the word combustion and not eclipse. Hence, in my >> opinion, it is correct to interpret that the sage is hinting at Moon >> being eclipsed by Rahu. >> > >> > Do I make sense? >> > >> > Regards, >> > Krishna >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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