Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Dear Vinay ji, Would you pls put some light on the effects of Retrograde Planets as most of the charts carry one or the other Retrograde Planets and its not clear as to what are their implications: Like how would a Saturn be in case of a jatak of Tula lagna and Tula Rashi having Vakri Saturn in 10 House. We understand that Saturn is highly benefic / Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is also Rajyoga karaka.Pls elaborate that how is Saturn in this case and how will be its mahadasha. Its placed in 11 house and Navamsa Lagna is Makar. Regards, JV Similarly behaviour of other planets in Retrogarde motion. --- On Fri, 5/6/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 Re: True or mean Rahu Friday, 5 June, 2009, 2:40 PM No ancient or mediaeval text of Indian astronomy or astrology speak of True Nodes. It is a modern importation from physical astronomy by persons like NC Lahiri who used it as early as 1930s. There may be some persons using it a few decades earlier, but they are not widely known. The credit of making true nodes popular among softwares must go to Late NC Lahiri, although he might not have introduced it into VA. The basic framework Lahiri used was based upon what all indologists like Colebrooke and Burgess were advocating since the beginning of 19th century, but they were not interested in any astrology at all. The framework originated from 19th century Western indologists who avoided true or mean nodes and discussed only full-fledged planets. Although I am not sure of date and person, true node was introduced into VA by early 20th century astrologers, before mid 1930s. -VJ ============ ========= ==== ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Friday, June 5, 2009 2:19:00 PM True or mean Rahu Dear list does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? best wishes M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Vakri (retrograde) planets are more powerful than maargi planets (cf. Shadbala chapter in BPHS). They give immediate results. A planet maargi in birthchart will give its normal results only during its maargi periods in gochar, and same about vakri planets. A planet maargi in birthchart will not give its full result when it is vakri in gochara : the result may be either mitigated or even inverted depending upon the overall nature of that planet in a particular chart. There are special cases of vakri planets which need to be collected from various texts. <<< " We understand that Saturn is highly benefic / Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is also Rajyoga karaka. " >>> It is wrong to assume that the above statement is a fixed rule. For Tula Lagna, Saturn will be lord of Kendra (4th) and Trikona (5th) houses which is raajayoga-kaaraka. Similarly, for vrish Lagna, Saturn will be lord of Kendra (10th) and Trikona (9th) houses which is a better raajayoga-kaaraka than Tula Lagna's Saturn. But there are two exceptions : In Accurate Bhaavachalita, the Lagna may be Tula but Saturn may fail to be lord of 4th and 5th houses due to unequal divisions of Accurate Bhaavachalita (based on independent computaion of Dasham and other bhaavas). In spite of Lagna being Tula, Saturn may fail to be raajayoga-kaaraka. Such cases are not even 5%, but we must use accurate method. Secondly, if Saturn is weak, debilitated, combust in malefic Sun, or placed in trika houses (6-8-12), this raajayoga breaks down or weakens. -vj ________________________________ Lovely Friend <jyotish_vigyan Friday, June 5, 2009 5:18:00 PM Re: Kind attn. Shri. Vinay Jha Dear Vinay ji, Would you pls put some light on the effects of Retrograde Planets as most of the charts carry one or the other Retrograde Planets and its not clear as to what are their implications: Like how would a Saturn be in case of a jatak of Tula lagna and Tula Rashi having Vakri Saturn in 10 House. We understand that Saturn is highly benefic / Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is also Rajyoga karaka.Pls elaborate that how is Saturn in this case and how will be its mahadasha. Its placed in 11 house and Navamsa Lagna is Makar. Regards, JV Similarly behaviour of other planets in Retrogarde motion. --- On Fri, 5/6/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Re: True or mean Rahu Friday, 5 June, 2009, 2:40 PM No ancient or mediaeval text of Indian astronomy or astrology speak of True Nodes. It is a modern importation from physical astronomy by persons like NC Lahiri who used it as early as 1930s. There may be some persons using it a few decades earlier, but they are not widely known. The credit of making true nodes popular among softwares must go to Late NC Lahiri, although he might not have introduced it into VA. The basic framework Lahiri used was based upon what all indologists like Colebrooke and Burgess were advocating since the beginning of 19th century, but they were not interested in any astrology at all. The framework originated from 19th century Western indologists who avoided true or mean nodes and discussed only full-fledged planets. Although I am not sure of date and person, true node was introduced into VA by early 20th century astrologers, before mid 1930s. -VJ ============ ========= ==== ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Friday, June 5, 2009 2:19:00 PM True or mean Rahu Dear list does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? best wishes M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Dear Shri vinay ji, is Saturn yogakaraka for thula rashi people also i.e moon in thulam. If moon is in thulam, and counting from moon, saturn is in 10th house, will it result in rajayoga. Regds, Chandrasekaran.B On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Vinay Jha<vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > Vakri (retrograde) planets are more powerful than maargi planets (cf. > Shadbala chapter in BPHS). They give immediate results. > > A planet maargi in birthchart will give its normal results only during its > maargi periods in gochar, and same about vakri planets. > > A planet maargi in birthchart will not give its full result when it is vakri > in gochara : the result may be either mitigated or even inverted depending > upon the overall nature of that planet in a particular chart. > > There are special cases of vakri planets which need to be collected from > various texts. > > <<< " We understand that Saturn is highly benefic / Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna > and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is also Rajyoga karaka. " >>> > > It is wrong to assume that the above statement is a fixed rule. For Tula > Lagna, Saturn will be lord of Kendra (4th) and Trikona (5th) houses which is > raajayoga-kaaraka. Similarly, for vrish Lagna, Saturn will be lord of Kendra > (10th) and Trikona (9th) houses which is a better raajayoga-kaaraka than > Tula Lagna's Saturn. But there are two exceptions : > > In Accurate Bhaavachalita, the Lagna may be Tula but Saturn may fail to be > lord of 4th and 5th houses due to unequal divisions of Accurate > Bhaavachalita (based on independent computaion of Dasham and other bhaavas). > In spite of Lagna being Tula, Saturn may fail to be raajayoga-kaaraka. Such > cases are not even 5%, but we must use accurate method. > > Secondly, if Saturn is weak, debilitated, combust in malefic Sun, or placed > in trika houses (6-8-12), this raajayoga breaks down or weakens. > > -vj > > ________________________________ > Lovely Friend <jyotish_vigyan > > Friday, June 5, 2009 5:18:00 PM > Re: Kind attn. Shri. Vinay Jha > > Dear Vinay ji, > > Would you pls put some light on the effects of Retrograde Planets as most of > the charts carry one or the other Retrograde Planets and its not clear as to > what are their implications: > > Like how would a Saturn be in case of a jatak of Tula lagna and Tula Rashi > having Vakri Saturn in 10 House. We understand that Saturn is highly benefic > / Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is > also Rajyoga karaka.Pls elaborate that how is Saturn in this case and how > will be its mahadasha. Its placed in 11 house and Navamsa Lagna is Makar. > > Regards, > > JV > > Similarly behaviour of other planets in Retrogarde motion. > > --- On Fri, 5/6/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > Re: True or mean Rahu > > Friday, 5 June, 2009, 2:40 PM > > No ancient or mediaeval text of Indian astronomy or astrology speak of True > Nodes. It is a modern importation from physical astronomy by persons like NC > Lahiri who used it as early as 1930s. There may be some persons using it a > few decades earlier, but they are not widely known. The credit of making > true nodes popular among softwares must go to Late NC Lahiri, although he > might not have introduced it into VA. The basic framework Lahiri used was > based upon what all indologists like Colebrooke and Burgess were advocating > since the beginning of 19th century, but they were not interested in any > astrology at all. The framework originated from 19th century Western > indologists who avoided true or mean nodes and discussed only full-fledged > planets. Although I am not sure of date and person, true node was introduced > into VA by early 20th century astrologers, before mid 1930s. > > -VJ > > ============ ========= ==== > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > Friday, June 5, 2009 2:19:00 PM > True or mean Rahu > > Dear list > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > best wishes > M > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Dear Shri Vinay ji, In a chart I was reviewing recently 27.12.2005 Time 2.40 Hrs (AM) Place: Gurgaon, Haryana Similar Vakri Shani can be seen. Could you please guide us with the analysis of this chart regarding the effects of Vakri planets . What effects would be felt during the coming dasha of Guru, Shani and Budha. Would the various Yoga's seen in the chart give full positive results even in presence of 2 vakri planets. What do you see the profession of this jataka, Will this jatak take up profession concerning Shani. Regards, JV --- On Fri, 5/6/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 Re: Kind attn. Shri. Vinay Jha Friday, 5 June, 2009, 8:58 PM Vakri (retrograde) planets are more powerful than maargi planets (cf. Shadbala chapter in BPHS). They give immediate results. A planet maargi in birthchart will give its normal results only during its maargi periods in gochar, and same about vakri planets. A planet maargi in birthchart will not give its full result when it is vakri in gochara : the result may be either mitigated or even inverted depending upon the overall nature of that planet in a particular chart. There are special cases of vakri planets which need to be collected from various texts. <<< " We understand that Saturn is highly benefic / Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is also Rajyoga karaka. " >>> It is wrong to assume that the above statement is a fixed rule. For Tula Lagna, Saturn will be lord of Kendra (4th) and Trikona (5th) houses which is raajayoga-kaaraka. Similarly, for vrish Lagna, Saturn will be lord of Kendra (10th) and Trikona (9th) houses which is a better raajayoga-kaaraka than Tula Lagna's Saturn. But there are two exceptions : In Accurate Bhaavachalita, the Lagna may be Tula but Saturn may fail to be lord of 4th and 5th houses due to unequal divisions of Accurate Bhaavachalita (based on independent computaion of Dasham and other bhaavas). In spite of Lagna being Tula, Saturn may fail to be raajayoga-kaaraka. Such cases are not even 5%, but we must use accurate method. Secondly, if Saturn is weak, debilitated, combust in malefic Sun, or placed in trika houses (6-8-12), this raajayoga breaks down or weakens. -vj ____________ _________ _________ __ Lovely Friend <jyotish_vigyan@ .co. in> Friday, June 5, 2009 5:18:00 PM Re: Kind attn. Shri. Vinay Jha Dear Vinay ji, Would you pls put some light on the effects of Retrograde Planets as most of the charts carry one or the other Retrograde Planets and its not clear as to what are their implications: Like how would a Saturn be in case of a jatak of Tula lagna and Tula Rashi having Vakri Saturn in 10 House. We understand that Saturn is highly benefic / Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is also Rajyoga karaka.Pls elaborate that how is Saturn in this case and how will be its mahadasha. Its placed in 11 house and Navamsa Lagna is Makar. Regards, JV Similarly behaviour of other planets in Retrogarde motion. --- On Fri, 5/6/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Re: True or mean Rahu Friday, 5 June, 2009, 2:40 PM No ancient or mediaeval text of Indian astronomy or astrology speak of True Nodes. It is a modern importation from physical astronomy by persons like NC Lahiri who used it as early as 1930s. There may be some persons using it a few decades earlier, but they are not widely known. The credit of making true nodes popular among softwares must go to Late NC Lahiri, although he might not have introduced it into VA. The basic framework Lahiri used was based upon what all indologists like Colebrooke and Burgess were advocating since the beginning of 19th century, but they were not interested in any astrology at all. The framework originated from 19th century Western indologists who avoided true or mean nodes and discussed only full-fledged planets. Although I am not sure of date and person, true node was introduced into VA by early 20th century astrologers, before mid 1930s. -VJ ============ ========= ==== ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Friday, June 5, 2009 2:19:00 PM True or mean Rahu Dear list does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? best wishes M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Chandrasekaran ji, Saturn is exalted if it is at 20 degrees of Tulaa (thulam) Raashi, and is therefore strongest in entire Tulaa Raashi. it has no relation to which raashi Moon occupies. Moon's raashi is commonly known as " Raashi " , but it does not meant all planets are related to Moon's raashi. Three types of birthcharts are most important : (1) Lagna chart which is important for all 12 bhaavas (2) Surya-kundali which should be viewed for 9th, 10th and 11th houses from Sun, and (3) Chandra-kundali, which should be viewed for 1rst, 2nd, 4th, 9th and 11th houses from Sun. 10th bhaava from Moon should not be evaluated at all for any purpose (cf. BPHS, chapter-7 Vargavivechaadhyaaya's last verses). These three Kundalis should be viewed simultaneously according to the rules of Sudarshana Chakra, which forms a separate chapter (74th) in BPHS. In Sudarshana Chakra, even 10th house from Moon has to be evaluated for some limited purposes. -VJ ===================== === ________________________________ chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975 Friday, June 5, 2009 9:38:56 PM Re: Kind attn. Shri. Vinay Jha Dear Shri vinay ji, is Saturn yogakaraka for thula rashi people also i.e moon in thulam. If moon is in thulam, and counting from moon, saturn is in 10th house, will it result in rajayoga. Regds, Chandrasekaran. B On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Vinay Jha<vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > Vakri (retrograde) planets are more powerful than maargi planets (cf. > Shadbala chapter in BPHS). They give immediate results. > > A planet maargi in birthchart will give its normal results only during its > maargi periods in gochar, and same about vakri planets. > > A planet maargi in birthchart will not give its full result when it is vakri > in gochara : the result may be either mitigated or even inverted depending > upon the overall nature of that planet in a particular chart. > > There are special cases of vakri planets which need to be collected from > various texts. > > <<< " We understand that Saturn is highly benefic / Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna > and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is also Rajyoga karaka. " >>> > > It is wrong to assume that the above statement is a fixed rule. For Tula > Lagna, Saturn will be lord of Kendra (4th) and Trikona (5th) houses which is > raajayoga-kaaraka. Similarly, for vrish Lagna, Saturn will be lord of Kendra > (10th) and Trikona (9th) houses which is a better raajayoga-kaaraka than > Tula Lagna's Saturn. But there are two exceptions : > > In Accurate Bhaavachalita, the Lagna may be Tula but Saturn may fail to be > lord of 4th and 5th houses due to unequal divisions of Accurate > Bhaavachalita (based on independent computaion of Dasham and other bhaavas). > In spite of Lagna being Tula, Saturn may fail to be raajayoga-kaaraka. Such > cases are not even 5%, but we must use accurate method. > > Secondly, if Saturn is weak, debilitated, combust in malefic Sun, or placed > in trika houses (6-8-12), this raajayoga breaks down or weakens. > > -vj > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Lovely Friend <jyotish_vigyan@ .co. in> > > Friday, June 5, 2009 5:18:00 PM > Re: Kind attn. Shri. Vinay Jha > > Dear Vinay ji, > > Would you pls put some light on the effects of Retrograde Planets as most of > the charts carry one or the other Retrograde Planets and its not clear as to > what are their implications: > > Like how would a Saturn be in case of a jatak of Tula lagna and Tula Rashi > having Vakri Saturn in 10 House. We understand that Saturn is highly benefic > / Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is > also Rajyoga karaka.Pls elaborate that how is Saturn in this case and how > will be its mahadasha. Its placed in 11 house and Navamsa Lagna is Makar. > > Regards, > > JV > > Similarly behaviour of other planets in Retrogarde motion. > > --- On Fri, 5/6/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > Re: True or mean Rahu > > Friday, 5 June, 2009, 2:40 PM > > No ancient or mediaeval text of Indian astronomy or astrology speak of True > Nodes. It is a modern importation from physical astronomy by persons like NC > Lahiri who used it as early as 1930s. There may be some persons using it a > few decades earlier, but they are not widely known. The credit of making > true nodes popular among softwares must go to Late NC Lahiri, although he > might not have introduced it into VA. The basic framework Lahiri used was > based upon what all indologists like Colebrooke and Burgess were advocating > since the beginning of 19th century, but they were not interested in any > astrology at all. The framework originated from 19th century Western > indologists who avoided true or mean nodes and discussed only full-fledged > planets. Although I am not sure of date and person, true node was introduced > into VA by early 20th century astrologers, before mid 1930s. > > -VJ > > ============ ========= ==== > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> > > Friday, June 5, 2009 2:19:00 PM > True or mean Rahu > > Dear list > does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? > best wishes > M > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Awaiting your analysis --- On Fri, 5/6/09, Lovely Friend <jyotish_vigyan wrote: jyotish_vigyan Re: Kind attn. Shri. Vinay Jha Friday, 5 June, 2009, 10:19 PM Dear Shri Vinay ji, In a chart I was reviewing recently 27.12.2005 Time 2.40 Hrs (AM) Place: Gurgaon, Haryana Similar Vakri Shani can be seen. Could you please guide us with the analysis of this chart regarding the effects of Vakri planets . What effects would be felt during the coming dasha of Guru, Shani and Budha. Would the various Yoga's seen in the chart give full positive results even in presence of 2 vakri planets. What do you see the profession of this jataka, Will this jatak take up profession concerning Shani. Regards, JV --- On Fri, 5/6/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 Re: Kind attn. Shri. Vinay Jha Friday, 5 June, 2009, 8:58 PM Vakri (retrograde) planets are more powerful than maargi planets (cf. Shadbala chapter in BPHS). They give immediate results. A planet maargi in birthchart will give its normal results only during its maargi periods in gochar, and same about vakri planets. A planet maargi in birthchart will not give its full result when it is vakri in gochara : the result may be either mitigated or even inverted depending upon the overall nature of that planet in a particular chart. There are special cases of vakri planets which need to be collected from various texts. <<< " We understand that Saturn is highly benefic / Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is also Rajyoga karaka. " >>> It is wrong to assume that the above statement is a fixed rule. For Tula Lagna, Saturn will be lord of Kendra (4th) and Trikona (5th) houses which is raajayoga-kaaraka. Similarly, for vrish Lagna, Saturn will be lord of Kendra (10th) and Trikona (9th) houses which is a better raajayoga-kaaraka than Tula Lagna's Saturn. But there are two exceptions : In Accurate Bhaavachalita, the Lagna may be Tula but Saturn may fail to be lord of 4th and 5th houses due to unequal divisions of Accurate Bhaavachalita (based on independent computaion of Dasham and other bhaavas). In spite of Lagna being Tula, Saturn may fail to be raajayoga-kaaraka. Such cases are not even 5%, but we must use accurate method. Secondly, if Saturn is weak, debilitated, combust in malefic Sun, or placed in trika houses (6-8-12), this raajayoga breaks down or weakens. -vj ____________ _________ _________ __ Lovely Friend <jyotish_vigyan@ .co. in> Friday, June 5, 2009 5:18:00 PM Re: Kind attn. Shri. Vinay Jha Dear Vinay ji, Would you pls put some light on the effects of Retrograde Planets as most of the charts carry one or the other Retrograde Planets and its not clear as to what are their implications: Like how would a Saturn be in case of a jatak of Tula lagna and Tula Rashi having Vakri Saturn in 10 House. We understand that Saturn is highly benefic / Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is also Rajyoga karaka.Pls elaborate that how is Saturn in this case and how will be its mahadasha. Its placed in 11 house and Navamsa Lagna is Makar. Regards, JV Similarly behaviour of other planets in Retrogarde motion. --- On Fri, 5/6/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Re: True or mean Rahu Friday, 5 June, 2009, 2:40 PM No ancient or mediaeval text of Indian astronomy or astrology speak of True Nodes. It is a modern importation from physical astronomy by persons like NC Lahiri who used it as early as 1930s. There may be some persons using it a few decades earlier, but they are not widely known. The credit of making true nodes popular among softwares must go to Late NC Lahiri, although he might not have introduced it into VA. The basic framework Lahiri used was based upon what all indologists like Colebrooke and Burgess were advocating since the beginning of 19th century, but they were not interested in any astrology at all. The framework originated from 19th century Western indologists who avoided true or mean nodes and discussed only full-fledged planets. Although I am not sure of date and person, true node was introduced into VA by early 20th century astrologers, before mid 1930s. -VJ ============ ========= ==== ____________ _________ _________ __ Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net> Friday, June 5, 2009 2:19:00 PM True or mean Rahu Dear list does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please? best wishes M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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