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Dear Vinay ji,

 

Would you pls put some light on the effects of Retrograde Planets as most of the

charts carry one or the other Retrograde Planets and its not clear as to what

are their implications:

 

Like how would a Saturn be in case of a jatak of Tula lagna and Tula Rashi

having Vakri Saturn in 10 House. We understand that Saturn is highly benefic /

Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is

also Rajyoga karaka.Pls elaborate that how is Saturn in this case and how will

be its mahadasha. Its placed in 11 house and Navamsa Lagna is Makar.

 

Regards,

 

JV

 

Similarly behaviour of other planets in Retrogarde motion.

 

--- On Fri, 5/6/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

 

 

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16

Re: True or mean Rahu

 

Friday, 5 June, 2009, 2:40 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No ancient or mediaeval text of Indian astronomy or astrology speak of True

Nodes. It is a modern importation from physical astronomy by persons like NC

Lahiri who used it as early as 1930s. There may be some persons using it a few

decades earlier, but they are not widely known. The credit of making true nodes

popular among softwares must go to Late NC Lahiri, although he might not have

introduced it into VA. The basic framework Lahiri used was based upon what all

indologists like Colebrooke and Burgess were advocating since the beginning of

19th century, but they were not interested in any astrology at all. The

framework originated from 19th century Western indologists who avoided true or

mean nodes and discussed only full-fledged planets. Although I am not sure of

date and person, true node was introduced into VA by early 20th century

astrologers, before mid 1930s.

 

-VJ

 

============ ========= ====

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net>

 

Friday, June 5, 2009 2:19:00 PM

True or mean Rahu

 

Dear list

does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please?

best wishes

M

 

 

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Vakri (retrograde) planets are more powerful than maargi planets (cf. Shadbala

chapter in BPHS). They give immediate results.

 

A planet maargi in birthchart will give its normal results only during its

maargi periods in gochar, and same about vakri planets.

 

A planet maargi in birthchart will not give its full result when it is vakri in

gochara : the result may be either mitigated or even inverted depending upon the

overall nature of that planet in a particular chart.

 

There are special cases of vakri planets which need to be collected from various

texts.

 

<<< " We understand that Saturn is highly benefic / Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna

and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is also Rajyoga karaka. " >>>

 

It is wrong to assume that the above statement is a fixed rule. For Tula Lagna,

Saturn will be lord of Kendra (4th) and Trikona (5th) houses which is

raajayoga-kaaraka. Similarly, for vrish Lagna, Saturn will be lord of Kendra

(10th) and Trikona (9th) houses which is a better raajayoga-kaaraka than Tula

Lagna's Saturn. But there are two exceptions :

 

In Accurate Bhaavachalita, the Lagna may be Tula but Saturn may fail to be lord

of 4th and 5th houses due to unequal divisions of Accurate Bhaavachalita (based

on independent computaion of Dasham and other bhaavas). In spite of Lagna being

Tula, Saturn may fail to be raajayoga-kaaraka. Such cases are not even 5%, but

we must use accurate method.

 

Secondly, if Saturn is weak, debilitated, combust in malefic Sun, or placed in

trika houses (6-8-12), this raajayoga breaks down or weakens.

 

-vj

 

 

________________________________

Lovely Friend <jyotish_vigyan

 

Friday, June 5, 2009 5:18:00 PM

Re: Kind attn. Shri. Vinay Jha

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vinay ji,

 

Would you pls put some light on the effects of Retrograde Planets as most of the

charts carry one or the other Retrograde Planets and its not clear as to what

are their implications:

 

Like how would a Saturn be in case of a jatak of Tula lagna and Tula Rashi

having Vakri Saturn in 10 House. We understand that Saturn is highly benefic /

Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is also

Rajyoga karaka.Pls elaborate that how is Saturn in this case and how will be its

mahadasha. Its placed in 11 house and Navamsa Lagna is Makar.

 

Regards,

 

JV

 

Similarly behaviour of other planets in Retrogarde motion.

 

--- On Fri, 5/6/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

 

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

Re: True or mean Rahu

 

Friday, 5 June, 2009, 2:40 PM

 

No ancient or mediaeval text of Indian astronomy or astrology speak of True

Nodes. It is a modern importation from physical astronomy by persons like NC

Lahiri who used it as early as 1930s. There may be some persons using it a few

decades earlier, but they are not widely known. The credit of making true nodes

popular among softwares must go to Late NC Lahiri, although he might not have

introduced it into VA. The basic framework Lahiri used was based upon what all

indologists like Colebrooke and Burgess were advocating since the beginning of

19th century, but they were not interested in any astrology at all. The

framework originated from 19th century Western indologists who avoided true or

mean nodes and discussed only full-fledged planets. Although I am not sure of

date and person, true node was introduced into VA by early 20th century

astrologers, before mid 1930s.

 

-VJ

 

============ ========= ====

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net>

 

Friday, June 5, 2009 2:19:00 PM

True or mean Rahu

 

Dear list

does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please?

best wishes

M

 

 

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Dear Shri vinay ji,

 

is Saturn yogakaraka for thula rashi people also i.e moon in thulam.

 

If moon is in thulam, and counting from moon, saturn is in 10th house,

will it result in rajayoga.

 

Regds,

Chandrasekaran.B

 

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Vinay Jha<vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

>

> Vakri (retrograde) planets are more powerful than maargi planets (cf.

> Shadbala chapter in BPHS). They give immediate results.

>

> A planet maargi in birthchart will give its normal results only during its

> maargi periods in gochar, and same about vakri planets.

>

> A planet maargi in birthchart will not give its full result when it is vakri

> in gochara : the result may be either mitigated or even inverted depending

> upon the overall nature of that planet in a particular chart.

>

> There are special cases of vakri planets which need to be collected from

> various texts.

>

> <<< " We understand that Saturn is highly benefic / Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna

> and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is also Rajyoga karaka. " >>>

>

> It is wrong to assume that the above statement is a fixed rule. For Tula

> Lagna, Saturn will be lord of Kendra (4th) and Trikona (5th) houses which is

> raajayoga-kaaraka. Similarly, for vrish Lagna, Saturn will be lord of Kendra

> (10th) and Trikona (9th) houses which is a better raajayoga-kaaraka than

> Tula Lagna's Saturn. But there are two exceptions :

>

> In Accurate Bhaavachalita, the Lagna may be Tula but Saturn may fail to be

> lord of 4th and 5th houses due to unequal divisions of Accurate

> Bhaavachalita (based on independent computaion of Dasham and other bhaavas).

> In spite of Lagna being Tula, Saturn may fail to be raajayoga-kaaraka. Such

> cases are not even 5%, but we must use accurate method.

>

> Secondly, if Saturn is weak, debilitated, combust in malefic Sun, or placed

> in trika houses (6-8-12), this raajayoga breaks down or weakens.

>

> -vj

>

> ________________________________

> Lovely Friend <jyotish_vigyan

>

> Friday, June 5, 2009 5:18:00 PM

> Re: Kind attn. Shri. Vinay Jha

>

> Dear Vinay ji,

>

> Would you pls put some light on the effects of Retrograde Planets as most of

> the charts carry one or the other Retrograde Planets and its not clear as to

> what are their implications:

>

> Like how would a Saturn be in case of a jatak of Tula lagna and Tula Rashi

> having Vakri Saturn in 10 House. We understand that Saturn is highly benefic

> / Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is

> also Rajyoga karaka.Pls elaborate that how is Saturn in this case and how

> will be its mahadasha. Its placed in 11 house and Navamsa Lagna is Makar.

>

> Regards,

>

> JV

>

> Similarly behaviour of other planets in Retrogarde motion.

>

> --- On Fri, 5/6/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

>

> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> Re: True or mean Rahu

>

> Friday, 5 June, 2009, 2:40 PM

>

> No ancient or mediaeval text of Indian astronomy or astrology speak of True

> Nodes. It is a modern importation from physical astronomy by persons like NC

> Lahiri who used it as early as 1930s. There may be some persons using it a

> few decades earlier, but they are not widely known. The credit of making

> true nodes popular among softwares must go to Late NC Lahiri, although he

> might not have introduced it into VA. The basic framework Lahiri used was

> based upon what all indologists like Colebrooke and Burgess were advocating

> since the beginning of 19th century, but they were not interested in any

> astrology at all. The framework originated from 19th century Western

> indologists who avoided true or mean nodes and discussed only full-fledged

> planets. Although I am not sure of date and person, true node was introduced

> into VA by early 20th century astrologers, before mid 1930s.

>

> -VJ

>

> ============ ========= ====

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net>

>

> Friday, June 5, 2009 2:19:00 PM

> True or mean Rahu

>

> Dear list

> does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please?

> best wishes

> M

>

>

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Dear Shri Vinay ji,

 

In a chart I was reviewing recently

 

27.12.2005

Time 2.40 Hrs (AM)

Place: Gurgaon, Haryana

 

Similar Vakri Shani can be seen. Could you please guide us with the analysis of

this chart regarding the effects of Vakri planets . What effects would be felt

during the coming dasha of Guru, Shani and Budha. Would the various Yoga's seen

in the chart give full positive results even in presence of 2 vakri planets.

What do you see the profession of this jataka, Will this jatak take up

profession concerning Shani.

 

Regards,

 

JV

 

--- On Fri, 5/6/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

 

 

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16

Re: Kind attn. Shri. Vinay Jha

 

Friday, 5 June, 2009, 8:58 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vakri (retrograde) planets are more powerful than maargi planets (cf. Shadbala

chapter in BPHS). They give immediate results.

 

A planet maargi in birthchart will give its normal results only during its

maargi periods in gochar, and same about vakri planets.

 

A planet maargi in birthchart will not give its full result when it is vakri in

gochara : the result may be either mitigated or even inverted depending upon the

overall nature of that planet in a particular chart.

 

There are special cases of vakri planets which need to be collected from various

texts.

 

<<< " We understand that Saturn is highly benefic / Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna

and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is also Rajyoga karaka. " >>>

 

It is wrong to assume that the above statement is a fixed rule. For Tula Lagna,

Saturn will be lord of Kendra (4th) and Trikona (5th) houses which is

raajayoga-kaaraka. Similarly, for vrish Lagna, Saturn will be lord of Kendra

(10th) and Trikona (9th) houses which is a better raajayoga-kaaraka than Tula

Lagna's Saturn. But there are two exceptions :

 

In Accurate Bhaavachalita, the Lagna may be Tula but Saturn may fail to be lord

of 4th and 5th houses due to unequal divisions of Accurate Bhaavachalita (based

on independent computaion of Dasham and other bhaavas). In spite of Lagna being

Tula, Saturn may fail to be raajayoga-kaaraka. Such cases are not even 5%, but

we must use accurate method.

 

Secondly, if Saturn is weak, debilitated, combust in malefic Sun, or placed in

trika houses (6-8-12), this raajayoga breaks down or weakens.

 

-vj

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Lovely Friend <jyotish_vigyan@ .co. in>

 

Friday, June 5, 2009 5:18:00 PM

Re: Kind attn. Shri. Vinay Jha

 

Dear Vinay ji,

 

Would you pls put some light on the effects of Retrograde Planets as most of the

charts carry one or the other Retrograde Planets and its not clear as to what

are their implications:

 

Like how would a Saturn be in case of a jatak of Tula lagna and Tula Rashi

having Vakri Saturn in 10 House. We understand that Saturn is highly benefic /

Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is also

Rajyoga karaka.Pls elaborate that how is Saturn in this case and how will be its

mahadasha. Its placed in 11 house and Navamsa Lagna is Makar.

 

Regards,

 

JV

 

Similarly behaviour of other planets in Retrogarde motion.

 

--- On Fri, 5/6/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

 

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

Re: True or mean Rahu

 

Friday, 5 June, 2009, 2:40 PM

 

No ancient or mediaeval text of Indian astronomy or astrology speak of True

Nodes. It is a modern importation from physical astronomy by persons like NC

Lahiri who used it as early as 1930s. There may be some persons using it a few

decades earlier, but they are not widely known. The credit of making true nodes

popular among softwares must go to Late NC Lahiri, although he might not have

introduced it into VA. The basic framework Lahiri used was based upon what all

indologists like Colebrooke and Burgess were advocating since the beginning of

19th century, but they were not interested in any astrology at all. The

framework originated from 19th century Western indologists who avoided true or

mean nodes and discussed only full-fledged planets. Although I am not sure of

date and person, true node was introduced into VA by early 20th century

astrologers, before mid 1930s.

 

-VJ

 

============ ========= ====

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net>

 

Friday, June 5, 2009 2:19:00 PM

True or mean Rahu

 

Dear list

does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please?

best wishes

M

 

 

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Chandrasekaran ji,

 

Saturn is exalted if it is at 20 degrees of Tulaa (thulam) Raashi, and is

therefore strongest in entire Tulaa Raashi.

 

it has no relation to which raashi Moon occupies. Moon's raashi is commonly

known as " Raashi " , but it does not meant all planets are related to Moon's

raashi.

 

Three types of birthcharts are most important :

 

(1) Lagna chart which is important for all 12 bhaavas

 

(2) Surya-kundali which should be viewed for 9th, 10th and 11th houses from Sun,

and

 

(3) Chandra-kundali, which should be viewed for 1rst, 2nd, 4th, 9th and 11th

houses from Sun.

 

10th bhaava from Moon should not be evaluated at all for any purpose (cf. BPHS,

chapter-7 Vargavivechaadhyaaya's last verses).

 

These three Kundalis should be viewed simultaneously according to the rules of

Sudarshana Chakra, which forms a separate chapter (74th) in BPHS. In Sudarshana

Chakra, even 10th house from Moon has to be evaluated for some limited purposes.

 

-VJ

 

===================== ===

 

 

________________________________

chandrasekaran iyer <shekar1975

 

Friday, June 5, 2009 9:38:56 PM

Re: Kind attn. Shri. Vinay Jha

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri vinay ji,

 

is Saturn yogakaraka for thula rashi people also i.e moon in thulam.

 

If moon is in thulam, and counting from moon, saturn is in 10th house,

will it result in rajayoga.

 

Regds,

Chandrasekaran. B

 

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Vinay Jha<vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

>

>

> Vakri (retrograde) planets are more powerful than maargi planets (cf.

> Shadbala chapter in BPHS). They give immediate results.

>

> A planet maargi in birthchart will give its normal results only during its

> maargi periods in gochar, and same about vakri planets.

>

> A planet maargi in birthchart will not give its full result when it is vakri

> in gochara : the result may be either mitigated or even inverted depending

> upon the overall nature of that planet in a particular chart.

>

> There are special cases of vakri planets which need to be collected from

> various texts.

>

> <<< " We understand that Saturn is highly benefic / Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna

> and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is also Rajyoga karaka. " >>>

>

> It is wrong to assume that the above statement is a fixed rule. For Tula

> Lagna, Saturn will be lord of Kendra (4th) and Trikona (5th) houses which is

> raajayoga-kaaraka. Similarly, for vrish Lagna, Saturn will be lord of Kendra

> (10th) and Trikona (9th) houses which is a better raajayoga-kaaraka than

> Tula Lagna's Saturn. But there are two exceptions :

>

> In Accurate Bhaavachalita, the Lagna may be Tula but Saturn may fail to be

> lord of 4th and 5th houses due to unequal divisions of Accurate

> Bhaavachalita (based on independent computaion of Dasham and other bhaavas).

> In spite of Lagna being Tula, Saturn may fail to be raajayoga-kaaraka. Such

> cases are not even 5%, but we must use accurate method.

>

> Secondly, if Saturn is weak, debilitated, combust in malefic Sun, or placed

> in trika houses (6-8-12), this raajayoga breaks down or weakens.

>

> -vj

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Lovely Friend <jyotish_vigyan@ .co. in>

>

> Friday, June 5, 2009 5:18:00 PM

> Re: Kind attn. Shri. Vinay Jha

>

> Dear Vinay ji,

>

> Would you pls put some light on the effects of Retrograde Planets as most of

> the charts carry one or the other Retrograde Planets and its not clear as to

> what are their implications:

>

> Like how would a Saturn be in case of a jatak of Tula lagna and Tula Rashi

> having Vakri Saturn in 10 House. We understand that Saturn is highly benefic

> / Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is

> also Rajyoga karaka.Pls elaborate that how is Saturn in this case and how

> will be its mahadasha. Its placed in 11 house and Navamsa Lagna is Makar.

>

> Regards,

>

> JV

>

> Similarly behaviour of other planets in Retrogarde motion.

>

> --- On Fri, 5/6/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

>

> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> Re: True or mean Rahu

>

> Friday, 5 June, 2009, 2:40 PM

>

> No ancient or mediaeval text of Indian astronomy or astrology speak of True

> Nodes. It is a modern importation from physical astronomy by persons like NC

> Lahiri who used it as early as 1930s. There may be some persons using it a

> few decades earlier, but they are not widely known. The credit of making

> true nodes popular among softwares must go to Late NC Lahiri, although he

> might not have introduced it into VA. The basic framework Lahiri used was

> based upon what all indologists like Colebrooke and Burgess were advocating

> since the beginning of 19th century, but they were not interested in any

> astrology at all. The framework originated from 19th century Western

> indologists who avoided true or mean nodes and discussed only full-fledged

> planets. Although I am not sure of date and person, true node was introduced

> into VA by early 20th century astrologers, before mid 1930s.

>

> -VJ

>

> ============ ========= ====

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net>

>

> Friday, June 5, 2009 2:19:00 PM

> True or mean Rahu

>

> Dear list

> does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please?

> best wishes

> M

>

>

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Awaiting your analysis

 

--- On Fri, 5/6/09, Lovely Friend <jyotish_vigyan wrote:

 

 

jyotish_vigyan

Re: Kind attn. Shri. Vinay Jha

 

Friday, 5 June, 2009, 10:19 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri Vinay ji,

 

In a chart I was reviewing recently

 

27.12.2005

Time 2.40 Hrs (AM)

Place: Gurgaon, Haryana

 

Similar Vakri Shani can be seen. Could you please guide us with the analysis of

this chart regarding the effects of Vakri planets . What effects would be felt

during the coming dasha of Guru, Shani and Budha. Would the various Yoga's seen

in the chart give full positive results even in presence of 2 vakri planets.

What do you see the profession of this jataka, Will this jatak take up

profession concerning Shani.

 

Regards,

 

JV

 

--- On Fri, 5/6/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

 

 

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16

Re: Kind attn. Shri. Vinay Jha

 

Friday, 5 June, 2009, 8:58 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vakri (retrograde) planets are more powerful than maargi planets (cf. Shadbala

chapter in BPHS). They give immediate results.

 

A planet maargi in birthchart will give its normal results only during its

maargi periods in gochar, and same about vakri planets.

 

A planet maargi in birthchart will not give its full result when it is vakri in

gochara : the result may be either mitigated or even inverted depending upon the

overall nature of that planet in a particular chart.

 

There are special cases of vakri planets which need to be collected from various

texts.

 

<<< " We understand that Saturn is highly benefic / Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna

and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is also Rajyoga karaka. " >>>

 

It is wrong to assume that the above statement is a fixed rule. For Tula Lagna,

Saturn will be lord of Kendra (4th) and Trikona (5th) houses which is

raajayoga-kaaraka. Similarly, for vrish Lagna, Saturn will be lord of Kendra

(10th) and Trikona (9th) houses which is a better raajayoga-kaaraka than Tula

Lagna's Saturn. But there are two exceptions :

 

In Accurate Bhaavachalita, the Lagna may be Tula but Saturn may fail to be lord

of 4th and 5th houses due to unequal divisions of Accurate Bhaavachalita (based

on independent computaion of Dasham and other bhaavas). In spite of Lagna being

Tula, Saturn may fail to be raajayoga-kaaraka. Such cases are not even 5%, but

we must use accurate method.

 

Secondly, if Saturn is weak, debilitated, combust in malefic Sun, or placed in

trika houses (6-8-12), this raajayoga breaks down or weakens.

 

-vj

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Lovely Friend <jyotish_vigyan@ .co. in>

 

Friday, June 5, 2009 5:18:00 PM

Re: Kind attn. Shri. Vinay Jha

 

Dear Vinay ji,

 

Would you pls put some light on the effects of Retrograde Planets as most of the

charts carry one or the other Retrograde Planets and its not clear as to what

are their implications:

 

Like how would a Saturn be in case of a jatak of Tula lagna and Tula Rashi

having Vakri Saturn in 10 House. We understand that Saturn is highly benefic /

Yogkaraka for Tula Lagna and Tula Rashi + its placement in 10th House is also

Rajyoga karaka.Pls elaborate that how is Saturn in this case and how will be its

mahadasha. Its placed in 11 house and Navamsa Lagna is Makar.

 

Regards,

 

JV

 

Similarly behaviour of other planets in Retrogarde motion.

 

--- On Fri, 5/6/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

 

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

Re: True or mean Rahu

 

Friday, 5 June, 2009, 2:40 PM

 

No ancient or mediaeval text of Indian astronomy or astrology speak of True

Nodes. It is a modern importation from physical astronomy by persons like NC

Lahiri who used it as early as 1930s. There may be some persons using it a few

decades earlier, but they are not widely known. The credit of making true nodes

popular among softwares must go to Late NC Lahiri, although he might not have

introduced it into VA. The basic framework Lahiri used was based upon what all

indologists like Colebrooke and Burgess were advocating since the beginning of

19th century, but they were not interested in any astrology at all. The

framework originated from 19th century Western indologists who avoided true or

mean nodes and discussed only full-fledged planets. Although I am not sure of

date and person, true node was introduced into VA by early 20th century

astrologers, before mid 1930s.

 

-VJ

 

============ ========= ====

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Marg <margie9 (AT) talktalk (DOT) net>

 

Friday, June 5, 2009 2:19:00 PM

True or mean Rahu

 

Dear list

does anyone know when true node was first used in vedic astrol please?

best wishes

M

 

 

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