Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Dear Narayan, Thanks for the verse from Munda Maalaa Tantra. Out of all planet-mahavidya mappings I have seen, this is the most philosophically sound mapping. Sun - Taaraa - Raama Moon - Kaali - Krishna Mars - Bhairavi - Nrisimha Mercury - Maatangi - Buddha Jupiter - Dhumaavati - Vaamana Venus - Chhinnamastaa - Bhaargava Rama Saturn - Bagalamukhi - Koorma Rahu - Bhuvaneswari - Varaaha Ketu - Kamala - Matsya * * * Vidya is knowledge. Mahavidya is supreme knowledge. Dasa mahavidyas are the ten highest forms of knowledge that take us to moksha or liberation, approaching from different angles. Other kinds of knowledge (e.g. mathematics, physics, astronomy, astrology, grammar etc) do not liberate us. But these ten kinds of knowledge liberate us. The deities (names and forms described in books for ten mahavidyas) are personifications of those ten types of supreme knowledge that liberate us. * * * Please note one thing here. Moksha means overcoming the maayaa of the duality around us. Seeing some things as desirable, some as undesirable, some as pleasurable, some as painful, some as beautiful, some as ugly etc is what binds us. Overcoming the duality and seeing all as Brahman is liberation or moksha. Different planets represent different aspects of our selves. The duality around us and the way to overcome it seem different from different angles. From the point of view of individual soul (Sun), this maayaa is something that needs to be overcome by crossing and reaching the other end (supreme cosmic soul). From the point of view of mind (Moon), this duality is something that clouds the vision and needs to be destroyed so that it cannot tempt again. From the point of view of the intellect/discrimination/dhee (Jupiter), it issomething that is non-existent anyway ( " so what was the problem in the first place? " ), like shapes made of smoke. From the point of view of initiative and energy within us (Mars), it is something that needs to be fought hard and fearlessly. From the point of view of the learning ability within us (Mercury), it is something that needs to be learnt and understood fully so that we can overcome it. From the point of view of enjoyment and happiness (Venus), it is something that needs to be accepted and enjoyed and not something to fear or avoid ( " after all, all is Brahman. Then why stay away from enjoyments? " ). And so on. But remember one important thing. Whichever approach is taken to overcoming duality, the end result is the same. One first masters the approach. It becomes part of one's common sense and thinking. One eventually overcomes duality. One becomes self-realized and becomes liberated. That end result is the same irrespective of the approach chosen. * * * Sun is the soul within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one wade (tar=swim/wade/cross) the ocean of delusion and get to the source. If you master the knowledge that helps one view the world as an ocean that needs to be crossed to reach the supreme, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Taaraa personifies this knowledge. Moon is the mind within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is an understanding of attachments and desires, their impermanence and how to kill them. If you master the knowledge that kills all attachments and desires and gives perfect control on the mind, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Kaali personifies this knowledge. Mars is the energy and initiative within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one fearlessness of anything in the universe. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly fearless and you do not fear anything (including death or pain!) other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bhairavi personifies this knowledge. Mercury is knowledge and learning ability within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one learning of various topics. If you master the knowledge that give you mastery of all kinds of learning through logical and rational thinking, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Maatangi personifies this knowledge. In fact, some people associate Maatangi with Saraswati. Saraswati is also known as " Maatanga Kanya " . Jupiter is the intellect, wisdom and discrimination (dhee shakti) within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is that all is delusion. The individual soul and individual mind and everything they perceive is just an illusion. All that is there is Brahman. Any other perceptions, of various good or bad things, are just a delusion, like figures made of smoke. If you master the knowledge that makes your intellect shine, you will realize that the entire world is a delusion and not deluded by anything anymore. Then other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Dhumaavati personifies this knowledge. Venus is the spirit of enjoyment and bliss. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one egoless and blissful. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly fearless and you do not fear anything, including death or pain, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Chhinnamasta personifies this knowledge. She is depicted as a deity holding her own severed head, standing near a naked couple in copulation and surrounded by associates who are drinking wine. One mastering this knowledge need not stay away from any pleasures, but one learns to see god even those pleasures. However, pleasure obtained with an ego ( " *I* am enjoying this act or object " ) binds. The headless state symbolizes egolessness. If one has overcome I-ness, pleasures are not binding. One not thinking in terms of " *I* am enjoying " but having no sense of " I " can live life without running away from any pleasures or undertaking any austerities and yet become liberated. Saturn is the spirit of hard work within us. He also represents our weaknesses and sins. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes us realize our internal enemies and destroy them. If you master the knowledge that makes you overcome weaknesses such as laziness and internal enemies such as lust, anger, greed, jealosy etc, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bagalamukhi personifies this knowledge. Most of her mantras ask to destroy enemies and so people foolishly think that she is the one who gives success in litigation and worship her for court cases. This is like going to a king to ask for two spoons of sugar for your milk. You go to the king for bigger things and a neighbor is enough for giving you two spoons of sugar. The enemies destroyed by Bagalamukhi are internal enemies and your own laziness. Remember, she is a mahavidya, i.e. a type of supreme knowledge that liberates you! Rahu is the spirit of material well-being within us. Rahu is the one who binds us to rebirth (this is why Saturn showing sins and Rahu showing rebirth are important in the death chart). The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives us worldly success in a dhaarmik way. If you master the knowledge that makes you materially successful in a dharmik way, you become successful and fulfil all your duties and debts in the world and eventually get liberation. Bhuvaneswari personifies this knowledge. Ketu is the spirit of of detachment and Vedic knowledge within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is the essense of Veda. If you master the knowledge that enables you to be in oneness with the supreme cosmic being, you eventually get liberation. Kamala (Mahaalakshmi) personifies this knowledge. According to saptashati rahasya also, Mahaalakshmi is the Aadyaa (the first One). She is the energy of supreme cosmic being. She divides Herself into 3 parts - Mahaakaali, Mahaalakshmi and MahaaSaraswati and they create Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and their consorts. Kamala represents the knowledge of the supreme cosmic energy of the supreme cosmic being. * * * One of the above is not superior to the other. Depending on your vasanas (mental conditioning), attitudes, likes and dislikes, depending on which aspect of your personality dominates over other aspects (the sinfulness and weaknesses? or the interest in learning things? or the spirit of fighting? or the sense of enjoyment? etc), one Mahavidya may be more suitable than others, as that knowledge uses your strong aspect and moulds that aspect to take you towards liberation. Do not compare them. Take the one that is most suitable, but do master that aspect. * * * There are some who do Dasa Mahavidya sadhana by doing one Mahavidya's mantra for one month, then switch to another and so on. They think that by doing each mahavidya mantra for a certain count, they " finish " the mahavidya sadhana. This is wrong and serves no useful purpose. Instead, one should pick any ONE mahavidya and succeed in that sadhana. The definition of success is that the knowledge represented by that deity becomes part of your common sense - you understand that knowledge and ooze that knowledge in your thoughts and actions. Whether you experience the deity as an external human-like form (who may impart some knowledge to you) or as an internal human-like form or as light or as sound is secondary, but the end result should be that the knowledge represented by Her should become common sense and second nature to you. One claiming visions or siddhi of a mahavidya but not showing the corresponding knowledge is bluffing. There are many people who do mahavidya sadhana and yet many others who claim to have siddhi in one or more mahavidyas, but very few who actually possess any of the ten mahavidyas. The area of mahavidya sadhana is one of the most ill-understood in today's age of ignorance and half-baked knowledge. It is easier to possess lower vidyas or lower shaktis, but mahavidyas are beyond the capability of understanding for most people. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan.iyer Friday, June 05, 2009 9:58 AM Re: Rama as God > Namaste Narasimha, > > Here's what the Mundamala Tantra states (not in correct itrans format): > > kriShnaastu kaalika saakshaat raamamoortischa taariNii | > vaaraaho bhuvana prokta nrsimho bharavishvarii || > dhoomavatii vamanaH syaat chinnaa bhrighukulodbhavaAH | > kamalaa matsyaroopaAH syaat koormastu bagalamukhii || > maatangii baudh ityeSHa Shodashii kalkiroopinii || > > Some of the reason for the mapping given is: > > Varaha as the boar that dug deep to uplift Mother Earth (Bhuvaneshvari) > Bhairavi is the burning tapas of that shoots forth and destroys all evil > but not to aspirants (like Narasimha deva being kind to Prahalada) > Parasurama cut the head of his mother Renuka (Chinnamasta) > Kamalatmika robed in the waters of consciousness is behind the Matsya the > primordial fish in the vivifying waters of creation. > Bagalamukhi is stifling force of Kurma avtara that lies still and > motionless withdrawing its limbs into itself. > Matangi is the Vaikhari Vak behind the avatara of Buddha who had come to > articulate the message of truth. > > Regards > Narayan > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr > wrote: >> >> Dear Narayan, >> >> Todala tantra also maps Vishnu's ten incarnations to Dasa maha vidyas. >> Krishna is associated with Kaali there too. However, Shiva teaches >> Parvati >> in Todala tantra that Maatangi is Rama. Can you give the full list of >> mapping as given in Munda maalaa tantra? >> >> Best regards, >> Narasimha >> >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana >> Spirituality: >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org >> >> >> - >> " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan.iyer >> >> Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:07 AM >> Re: Rama as God >> >> >> > Namaste Rajarshiji, >> > >> >> As a corollary, can the path shown by Lord Rama be equated to the path >> >> of >> >> Dakshina Kali and that of Krishna as Vama Kali. >> > >> > Actually, Krishna is equated to Kali, as per the Munda Mala Tantra. >> > Krishna's beeja akshara is Kleem while Kali's beeja akshara is Kreem. >> > Whereas, Rama is equated to Taaraa, the Raama Naama is called the >> > Taaraka >> > mantra. Taaraa means crossing and she is the one who helps us >> > cross-over >> > from the material plane to the spiritual plane. Raama also had to cross >> > the ocean to get Sita. Esoterically, Raama is the soul, Lakshmana is >> > the >> > single-pointed concentration (lakshya-mana) and Sita is the Kundalini >> > Shakti. Raavana who stands for our material desires steals Sita and >> > takes >> > her away to Lanka, stands for how our material desires makes the >> > kundalini >> > remain in the mooladhara. The beeja akshara of Mooladhaara is Lam, >> > which >> > is what Lanka is. >> > >> > Munda Maala tantra has other parallels (equating Das Mahaavidya & Das >> > Avataara) too, some of which makes sense and some of them dont. >> > >> > Hope this helps. >> > >> > Thanks >> > Narayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Dear Narasimha: Thank you very much for posting the article on Mahavidya. It was very illuminating. I very much appreciated your taking the time to post it for all of us. Best wishes, David Hawthorne Fairfield, IA USA On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao Saturday, June 06, 2009 4:54 PM Cc: vedic astrology ; ; sohamsa Planets and Dasa Mahavidyas Dear Narayan, Thanks for the verse from Munda Maalaa Tantra. Out of all planet-mahavidya mappings I have seen, this is the most philosophically sound mapping. Sun - Taaraa - Raama Moon - Kaali - Krishna Mars - Bhairavi - Nrisimha Mercury - Maatangi - Buddha Jupiter - Dhumaavati - Vaamana Venus - Chhinnamastaa - Bhaargava Rama Saturn - Bagalamukhi - Koorma Rahu - Bhuvaneswari - Varaaha Ketu - Kamala - Matsya * * * Vidya is knowledge. Mahavidya is supreme knowledge. Dasa mahavidyas are the ten highest forms of knowledge that take us to moksha or liberation, approaching from different angles. Other kinds of knowledge (e.g. mathematics, physics, astronomy, astrology, grammar etc) do not liberate us. But these ten kinds of knowledge liberate us. The deities (names and forms described in books for ten mahavidyas) are personifications of those ten types of supreme knowledge that liberate us. * * * Please note one thing here. Moksha means overcoming the maayaa of the duality around us. Seeing some things as desirable, some as undesirable, some as pleasurable, some as painful, some as beautiful, some as ugly etc is what binds us. Overcoming the duality and seeing all as Brahman is liberation or moksha. Different planets represent different aspects of our selves. The duality around us and the way to overcome it seem different from different angles. From the point of view of individual soul (Sun), this maayaa is something that needs to be overcome by crossing and reaching the other end (supreme cosmic soul). From the point of view of mind (Moon), this duality is something that clouds the vision and needs to be destroyed so that it cannot tempt again. From the point of view of the intellect/discrimination/dhee (Jupiter), it issomething that is non-existent anyway ( " so what was the problem in the first place? " ), like shapes made of smoke. From the point of view of initiative and energy within us (Mars), it is something that needs to be fought hard and fearlessly. From the point of view of the learning ability within us (Mercury), it is something that needs to be learnt and understood fully so that we can overcome it. From the point of view of enjoyment and happiness (Venus), it is something that needs to be accepted and enjoyed and not something to fear or avoid ( " after all, all is Brahman. Then why stay away from enjoyments? " ). And so on. But remember one important thing. Whichever approach is taken to overcoming duality, the end result is the same. One first masters the approach. It becomes part of one's common sense and thinking. One eventually overcomes duality. One becomes self-realized and becomes liberated. That end result is the same irrespective of the approach chosen. * * * Sun is the soul within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one wade (tar=swim/wade/cross) the ocean of delusion and get to the source. If you master the knowledge that helps one view the world as an ocean that needs to be crossed to reach the supreme, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Taaraa personifies this knowledge. Moon is the mind within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is an understanding of attachments and desires, their impermanence and how to kill them. If you master the knowledge that kills all attachments and desires and gives perfect control on the mind, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Kaali personifies this knowledge. Mars is the energy and initiative within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one fearlessness of anything in the universe. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly fearless and you do not fear anything (including death or pain!) other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bhairavi personifies this knowledge. Mercury is knowledge and learning ability within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one learning of various topics. If you master the knowledge that give you mastery of all kinds of learning through logical and rational thinking, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Maatangi personifies this knowledge. In fact, some people associate Maatangi with Saraswati. Saraswati is also known as " Maatanga Kanya " . Jupiter is the intellect, wisdom and discrimination (dhee shakti) within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is that all is delusion. The individual soul and individual mind and everything they perceive is just an illusion. All that is there is Brahman. Any other perceptions, of various good or bad things, are just a delusion, like figures made of smoke. If you master the knowledge that makes your intellect shine, you will realize that the entire world is a delusion and not deluded by anything anymore. Then other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Dhumaavati personifies this knowledge. Venus is the spirit of enjoyment and bliss. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one egoless and blissful. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly fearless and you do not fear anything, including death or pain, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Chhinnamasta personifies this knowledge. She is depicted as a deity holding her own severed head, standing near a naked couple in copulation and surrounded by associates who are drinking wine. One mastering this knowledge need not stay away from any pleasures, but one learns to see god even those pleasures. However, pleasure obtained with an ego ( " *I* am enjoying this act or object " ) binds. The headless state symbolizes egolessness. If one has overcome I-ness, pleasures are not binding. One not thinking in terms of " *I* am enjoying " but having no sense of " I " can live life without running away from any pleasures or undertaking any austerities and yet become liberated. Saturn is the spirit of hard work within us. He also represents our weaknesses and sins. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes us realize our internal enemies and destroy them. If you master the knowledge that makes you overcome weaknesses such as laziness and internal enemies such as lust, anger, greed, jealosy etc, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bagalamukhi personifies this knowledge. Most of her mantras ask to destroy enemies and so people foolishly think that she is the one who gives success in litigation and worship her for court cases. This is like going to a king to ask for two spoons of sugar for your milk. You go to the king for bigger things and a neighbor is enough for giving you two spoons of sugar. The enemies destroyed by Bagalamukhi are internal enemies and your own laziness. Remember, she is a mahavidya, i.e. a type of supreme knowledge that liberates you! Rahu is the spirit of material well-being within us. Rahu is the one who binds us to rebirth (this is why Saturn showing sins and Rahu showing rebirth are important in the death chart). The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives us worldly success in a dhaarmik way. If you master the knowledge that makes you materially successful in a dharmik way, you become successful and fulfil all your duties and debts in the world and eventually get liberation. Bhuvaneswari personifies this knowledge. Ketu is the spirit of of detachment and Vedic knowledge within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is the essense of Veda. If you master the knowledge that enables you to be in oneness with the supreme cosmic being, you eventually get liberation. Kamala (Mahaalakshmi) personifies this knowledge. According to saptashati rahasya also, Mahaalakshmi is the Aadyaa (the first One). She is the energy of supreme cosmic being. She divides Herself into 3 parts - Mahaakaali, Mahaalakshmi and MahaaSaraswati and they create Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and their consorts. Kamala represents the knowledge of the supreme cosmic energy of the supreme cosmic being. * * * One of the above is not superior to the other. Depending on your vasanas (mental conditioning), attitudes, likes and dislikes, depending on which aspect of your personality dominates over other aspects (the sinfulness and weaknesses? or the interest in learning things? or the spirit of fighting? or the sense of enjoyment? etc), one Mahavidya may be more suitable than others, as that knowledge uses your strong aspect and moulds that aspect to take you towards liberation. Do not compare them. Take the one that is most suitable, but do master that aspect. * * * There are some who do Dasa Mahavidya sadhana by doing one Mahavidya's mantra for one month, then switch to another and so on. They think that by doing each mahavidya mantra for a certain count, they " finish " the mahavidya sadhana. This is wrong and serves no useful purpose. Instead, one should pick any ONE mahavidya and succeed in that sadhana. The definition of success is that the knowledge represented by that deity becomes part of your common sense - you understand that knowledge and ooze that knowledge in your thoughts and actions. Whether you experience the deity as an external human-like form (who may impart some knowledge to you) or as an internal human-like form or as light or as sound is secondary, but the end result should be that the knowledge represented by Her should become common sense and second nature to you. One claiming visions or siddhi of a mahavidya but not showing the corresponding knowledge is bluffing. There are many people who do mahavidya sadhana and yet many others who claim to have siddhi in one or more mahavidyas, but very few who actually possess any of the ten mahavidyas. The area of mahavidya sadhana is one of the most ill-understood in today's age of ignorance and half-baked knowledge. It is easier to possess lower vidyas or lower shaktis, but mahavidyas are beyond the capability of understanding for most people. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan.iyer Friday, June 05, 2009 9:58 AM Re: Rama as God > Namaste Narasimha, > > Here's what the Mundamala Tantra states (not in correct itrans format): > > kriShnaastu kaalika saakshaat raamamoortischa taariNii | > vaaraaho bhuvana prokta nrsimho bharavishvarii || > dhoomavatii vamanaH syaat chinnaa bhrighukulodbhavaAH | > kamalaa matsyaroopaAH syaat koormastu bagalamukhii || > maatangii baudh ityeSHa Shodashii kalkiroopinii || > > Some of the reason for the mapping given is: > > Varaha as the boar that dug deep to uplift Mother Earth (Bhuvaneshvari) > Bhairavi is the burning tapas of that shoots forth and destroys all evil > but not to aspirants (like Narasimha deva being kind to Prahalada) > Parasurama cut the head of his mother Renuka (Chinnamasta) > Kamalatmika robed in the waters of consciousness is behind the Matsya the > primordial fish in the vivifying waters of creation. > Bagalamukhi is stifling force of Kurma avtara that lies still and > motionless withdrawing its limbs into itself. > Matangi is the Vaikhari Vak behind the avatara of Buddha who had come to > articulate the message of truth. > > Regards > Narayan > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr > wrote: >> >> Dear Narayan, >> >> Todala tantra also maps Vishnu's ten incarnations to Dasa maha vidyas. >> Krishna is associated with Kaali there too. However, Shiva teaches >> Parvati >> in Todala tantra that Maatangi is Rama. Can you give the full list of >> mapping as given in Munda maalaa tantra? >> >> Best regards, >> Narasimha >> >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana >> Spirituality: >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org >> >> >> - >> " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan.iyer >> >> Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:07 AM >> Re: Rama as God >> >> >> > Namaste Rajarshiji, >> > >> >> As a corollary, can the path shown by Lord Rama be equated to the path >> >> of >> >> Dakshina Kali and that of Krishna as Vama Kali. >> > >> > Actually, Krishna is equated to Kali, as per the Munda Mala Tantra. >> > Krishna's beeja akshara is Kleem while Kali's beeja akshara is Kreem. >> > Whereas, Rama is equated to Taaraa, the Raama Naama is called the >> > Taaraka >> > mantra. Taaraa means crossing and she is the one who helps us >> > cross-over >> > from the material plane to the spiritual plane. Raama also had to cross >> > the ocean to get Sita. Esoterically, Raama is the soul, Lakshmana is >> > the >> > single-pointed concentration (lakshya-mana) and Sita is the Kundalini >> > Shakti. Raavana who stands for our material desires steals Sita and >> > takes >> > her away to Lanka, stands for how our material desires makes the >> > kundalini >> > remain in the mooladhara. The beeja akshara of Mooladhaara is Lam, >> > which >> > is what Lanka is. >> > >> > Munda Maala tantra has other parallels (equating Das Mahaavidya & Das >> > Avataara) too, some of which makes sense and some of them dont. >> > >> > Hope this helps. >> > >> > Thanks >> > Narayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Narasimha, Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, " Jyotish Kalpa-Vriksha " has quoted from the tantra thus: Divaakarasya Matangi Chandrasya Bhuvaneshvari Kujasya Bagalaadevi Budhasya Parasundari. Tara Brihaspateshchaiva Shukrasya Kamaltmika Shanestu Dakshinakaali Grahanaamishtadevtaa.. Chhinnamastaa Tathaa Raahoh Ketordhumavati Tathaa. He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. He has further proceeded to construct a table called Sarbadukhaharachakramidam, where he has mapped the planets with the Dashavatars and the Dasha Mahavidyas. It might be of intereste to you. Best Regards, Sarbani Rath Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> http://sagittariuspublications.com Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org vedic astrology [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao 07 June 2009 03:24 Cc: vedic astrology ; ; sohamsa [vedic astrology] Planets and Dasa Mahavidyas Dear Narayan, Thanks for the verse from Munda Maalaa Tantra. Out of all planet-mahavidya mappings I have seen, this is the most philosophically sound mapping. Sun - Taaraa - Raama Moon - Kaali - Krishna Mars - Bhairavi - Nrisimha Mercury - Maatangi - Buddha Jupiter - Dhumaavati - Vaamana Venus - Chhinnamastaa - Bhaargava Rama Saturn - Bagalamukhi - Koorma Rahu - Bhuvaneswari - Varaaha Ketu - Kamala - Matsya * * * Vidya is knowledge. Mahavidya is supreme knowledge. Dasa mahavidyas are the ten highest forms of knowledge that take us to moksha or liberation, approaching from different angles. Other kinds of knowledge (e.g. mathematics, physics, astronomy, astrology, grammar etc) do not liberate us. But these ten kinds of knowledge liberate us. The deities (names and forms described in books for ten mahavidyas) are personifications of those ten types of supreme knowledge that liberate us. * * * Please note one thing here. Moksha means overcoming the maayaa of the duality around us. Seeing some things as desirable, some as undesirable, some as pleasurable, some as painful, some as beautiful, some as ugly etc is what binds us. Overcoming the duality and seeing all as Brahman is liberation or moksha. Different planets represent different aspects of our selves. The duality around us and the way to overcome it seem different from different angles. From the point of view of individual soul (Sun), this maayaa is something that needs to be overcome by crossing and reaching the other end (supreme cosmic soul). From the point of view of mind (Moon), this duality is something that clouds the vision and needs to be destroyed so that it cannot tempt again. From the point of view of the intellect/discrimination/dhee (Jupiter), it issomething that is non-existent anyway ( " so what was the problem in the first place? " ), like shapes made of smoke. From the point of view of initiative and energy within us (Mars), it is something that needs to be fought hard and fearlessly. From the point of view of the learning ability within us (Mercury), it is something that needs to be learnt and understood fully so that we can overcome it. From the point of view of enjoyment and happiness (Venus), it is something that needs to be accepted and enjoyed and not something to fear or avoid ( " after all, all is Brahman. Then why stay away from enjoyments? " ). And so on. But remember one important thing. Whichever approach is taken to overcoming duality, the end result is the same. One first masters the approach. It becomes part of one's common sense and thinking. One eventually overcomes duality. One becomes self-realized and becomes liberated. That end result is the same irrespective of the approach chosen. * * * Sun is the soul within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one wade (tar=swim/wade/cross) the ocean of delusion and get to the source. If you master the knowledge that helps one view the world as an ocean that needs to be crossed to reach the supreme, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Taaraa personifies this knowledge. Moon is the mind within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is an understanding of attachments and desires, their impermanence and how to kill them. If you master the knowledge that kills all attachments and desires and gives perfect control on the mind, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Kaali personifies this knowledge. Mars is the energy and initiative within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one fearlessness of anything in the universe. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly fearless and you do not fear anything (including death or pain!) other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bhairavi personifies this knowledge. Mercury is knowledge and learning ability within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one learning of various topics. If you master the knowledge that give you mastery of all kinds of learning through logical and rational thinking, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Maatangi personifies this knowledge. In fact, some people associate Maatangi with Saraswati. Saraswati is also known as " Maatanga Kanya " . Jupiter is the intellect, wisdom and discrimination (dhee shakti) within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is that all is delusion. The individual soul and individual mind and everything they perceive is just an illusion. All that is there is Brahman. Any other perceptions, of various good or bad things, are just a delusion, like figures made of smoke. If you master the knowledge that makes your intellect shine, you will realize that the entire world is a delusion and not deluded by anything anymore. Then other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Dhumaavati personifies this knowledge. Venus is the spirit of enjoyment and bliss. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one egoless and blissful. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly fearless and you do not fear anything, including death or pain, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Chhinnamasta personifies this knowledge. She is depicted as a deity holding her own severed head, standing near a naked couple in copulation and surrounded by associates who are drinking wine. One mastering this knowledge need not stay away from any pleasures, but one learns to see god even those pleasures. However, pleasure obtained with an ego ( " *I* am enjoying this act or object " ) binds. The headless state symbolizes egolessness. If one has overcome I-ness, pleasures are not binding. One not thinking in terms of " *I* am enjoying " but having no sense of " I " can live life without running away from any pleasures or undertaking any austerities and yet become liberated. Saturn is the spirit of hard work within us. He also represents our weaknesses and sins. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes us realize our internal enemies and destroy them. If you master the knowledge that makes you overcome weaknesses such as laziness and internal enemies such as lust, anger, greed, jealosy etc, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bagalamukhi personifies this knowledge. Most of her mantras ask to destroy enemies and so people foolishly think that she is the one who gives success in litigation and worship her for court cases. This is like going to a king to ask for two spoons of sugar for your milk. You go to the king for bigger things and a neighbor is enough for giving you two spoons of sugar. The enemies destroyed by Bagalamukhi are internal enemies and your own laziness. Remember, she is a mahavidya, i.e. a type of supreme knowledge that liberates you! Rahu is the spirit of material well-being within us. Rahu is the one who binds us to rebirth (this is why Saturn showing sins and Rahu showing rebirth are important in the death chart). The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives us worldly success in a dhaarmik way. If you master the knowledge that makes you materially successful in a dharmik way, you become successful and fulfil all your duties and debts in the world and eventually get liberation. Bhuvaneswari personifies this knowledge. Ketu is the spirit of of detachment and Vedic knowledge within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is the essense of Veda. If you master the knowledge that enables you to be in oneness with the supreme cosmic being, you eventually get liberation. Kamala (Mahaalakshmi) personifies this knowledge. According to saptashati rahasya also, Mahaalakshmi is the Aadyaa (the first One). She is the energy of supreme cosmic being. She divides Herself into 3 parts - Mahaakaali, Mahaalakshmi and MahaaSaraswati and they create Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and their consorts. Kamala represents the knowledge of the supreme cosmic energy of the supreme cosmic being. * * * One of the above is not superior to the other. Depending on your vasanas (mental conditioning), attitudes, likes and dislikes, depending on which aspect of your personality dominates over other aspects (the sinfulness and weaknesses? or the interest in learning things? or the spirit of fighting? or the sense of enjoyment? etc), one Mahavidya may be more suitable than others, as that knowledge uses your strong aspect and moulds that aspect to take you towards liberation. Do not compare them. Take the one that is most suitable, but do master that aspect. * * * There are some who do Dasa Mahavidya sadhana by doing one Mahavidya's mantra for one month, then switch to another and so on. They think that by doing each mahavidya mantra for a certain count, they " finish " the mahavidya sadhana. This is wrong and serves no useful purpose. Instead, one should pick any ONE mahavidya and succeed in that sadhana. The definition of success is that the knowledge represented by that deity becomes part of your common sense - you understand that knowledge and ooze that knowledge in your thoughts and actions. Whether you experience the deity as an external human-like form (who may impart some knowledge to you) or as an internal human-like form or as light or as sound is secondary, but the end result should be that the knowledge represented by Her should become common sense and second nature to you. One claiming visions or siddhi of a mahavidya but not showing the corresponding knowledge is bluffing. There are many people who do mahavidya sadhana and yet many others who claim to have siddhi in one or more mahavidyas, but very few who actually possess any of the ten mahavidyas. The area of mahavidya sadhana is one of the most ill-understood in today's age of ignorance and half-baked knowledge. It is easier to possess lower vidyas or lower shaktis, but mahavidyas are beyond the capability of understanding for most people. Best regards, Narasimha ------------------------- Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------- - " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan.iyer <narayan.iyer%40gmail.com> > < <%40> > Friday, June 05, 2009 9:58 AM Re: Rama as God > Namaste Narasimha, > > Here's what the Mundamala Tantra states (not in correct itrans format): > > kriShnaastu kaalika saakshaat raamamoortischa taariNii | > vaaraaho bhuvana prokta nrsimho bharavishvarii || > dhoomavatii vamanaH syaat chinnaa bhrighukulodbhavaAH | > kamalaa matsyaroopaAH syaat koormastu bagalamukhii || > maatangii baudh ityeSHa Shodashii kalkiroopinii || > > Some of the reason for the mapping given is: > > Varaha as the boar that dug deep to uplift Mother Earth (Bhuvaneshvari) > Bhairavi is the burning tapas of that shoots forth and destroys all evil > but not to aspirants (like Narasimha deva being kind to Prahalada) > Parasurama cut the head of his mother Renuka (Chinnamasta) > Kamalatmika robed in the waters of consciousness is behind the Matsya the > primordial fish in the vivifying waters of creation. > Bagalamukhi is stifling force of Kurma avtara that lies still and > motionless withdrawing its limbs into itself. > Matangi is the Vaikhari Vak behind the avatara of Buddha who had come to > articulate the message of truth. > > Regards > Narayan > > <%40> , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr > wrote: >> >> Dear Narayan, >> >> Todala tantra also maps Vishnu's ten incarnations to Dasa maha vidyas. >> Krishna is associated with Kaali there too. However, Shiva teaches >> Parvati >> in Todala tantra that Maatangi is Rama. Can you give the full list of >> mapping as given in Munda maalaa tantra? >> >> Best regards, >> Narasimha >> ------------------------- >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana >> Spirituality: >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org >> ------------------------- >> >> - >> " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan.iyer >> < <%40> > >> Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:07 AM >> Re: Rama as God >> >> >> > Namaste Rajarshiji, >> > >> >> As a corollary, can the path shown by Lord Rama be equated to the path >> >> of >> >> Dakshina Kali and that of Krishna as Vama Kali. >> > >> > Actually, Krishna is equated to Kali, as per the Munda Mala Tantra. >> > Krishna's beeja akshara is Kleem while Kali's beeja akshara is Kreem. >> > Whereas, Rama is equated to Taaraa, the Raama Naama is called the >> > Taaraka >> > mantra. Taaraa means crossing and she is the one who helps us >> > cross-over >> > from the material plane to the spiritual plane. Raama also had to cross >> > the ocean to get Sita. Esoterically, Raama is the soul, Lakshmana is >> > the >> > single-pointed concentration (lakshya-mana) and Sita is the Kundalini >> > Shakti. Raavana who stands for our material desires steals Sita and >> > takes >> > her away to Lanka, stands for how our material desires makes the >> > kundalini >> > remain in the mooladhara. The beeja akshara of Mooladhaara is Lam, >> > which >> > is what Lanka is. >> > >> > Munda Maala tantra has other parallels (equating Das Mahaavidya & Das >> > Avataara) too, some of which makes sense and some of them dont. >> > >> > Hope this helps. >> > >> > Thanks >> > Narayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 NAMASTE GURUJI Today is the full moon day, after praying before NARAYANA and MAHALAKSHMI and doing Grahapuja of Sun, JUP and MOON, I have visited the temple of SHIVA and KALI..., GOD blessed me reading this kind of knowledges and guiding towards the correct path... Regards, Biswajit of JUP and MOON and vedic astrology , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Dear Narayan, > > Thanks for the verse from Munda Maalaa Tantra. Out of all planet-mahavidya mappings I have seen, this is the most philosophically sound mapping. > > Sun - Taaraa - Raama > Moon - Kaali - Krishna > Mars - Bhairavi - Nrisimha > Mercury - Maatangi - Buddha > Jupiter - Dhumaavati - Vaamana > Venus - Chhinnamastaa - Bhaargava Rama > Saturn - Bagalamukhi - Koorma > Rahu - Bhuvaneswari - Varaaha > Ketu - Kamala - Matsya > > * * * > > Vidya is knowledge. Mahavidya is supreme knowledge. Dasa mahavidyas are the ten highest forms of knowledge that take us to moksha or liberation, approaching from different angles. Other kinds of knowledge (e.g. mathematics, physics, astronomy, astrology, grammar etc) do not liberate us. But these ten kinds of knowledge liberate us. The deities (names and forms described in books for ten mahavidyas) are personifications of those ten types of supreme knowledge that liberate us. > > * * * > > Please note one thing here. Moksha means overcoming the maayaa of the duality around us. Seeing some things as desirable, some as undesirable, some as pleasurable, some as painful, some as beautiful, some as ugly etc is what binds us. Overcoming the duality and seeing all as Brahman is liberation or moksha. > > Different planets represent different aspects of our selves. The duality around us and the way to overcome it seem different from different angles. From the point of view of individual soul (Sun), this maayaa is something that needs to be overcome by crossing and reaching the other end (supreme cosmic soul). From the point of view of mind (Moon), this duality is something that clouds the vision and needs to be destroyed so that it cannot tempt again. From the point of view of the intellect/discrimination/dhee (Jupiter), it issomething that is non-existent anyway ( " so what was the problem in the first place? " ), like shapes made of smoke. From the point of view of initiative and energy within us (Mars), it is something that needs to be fought hard and fearlessly. From the point of view of the learning ability within us (Mercury), it is something that needs to be learnt and understood fully so that we can overcome it. From the point of view of enjoyment and happiness (Venus), it is something that needs to be accepted and enjoyed and not something to fear or avoid ( " after all, all is Brahman. Then why stay away from enjoyments? " ). And so on. > > But remember one important thing. Whichever approach is taken to overcoming duality, the end result is the same. One first masters the approach. It becomes part of one's common sense and thinking. One eventually overcomes duality. One becomes self-realized and becomes liberated. That end result is the same irrespective of the approach chosen. > > * * * > > Sun is the soul within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one wade (tar=swim/wade/cross) the ocean of delusion and get to the source. If you master the knowledge that helps one view the world as an ocean that needs to be crossed to reach the supreme, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Taaraa personifies this knowledge. > > Moon is the mind within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is an understanding of attachments and desires, their impermanence and how to kill them. If you master the knowledge that kills all attachments and desires and gives perfect control on the mind, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Kaali personifies this knowledge. > > Mars is the energy and initiative within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one fearlessness of anything in the universe. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly fearless and you do not fear anything (including death or pain!) other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bhairavi personifies this knowledge. > > Mercury is knowledge and learning ability within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one learning of various topics. If you master the knowledge that give you mastery of all kinds of learning through logical and rational thinking, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Maatangi personifies this knowledge. In fact, some people associate Maatangi with Saraswati. Saraswati is also known as " Maatanga Kanya " . > > Jupiter is the intellect, wisdom and discrimination (dhee shakti) within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is that all is delusion. The individual soul and individual mind and everything they perceive is just an illusion. All that is there is Brahman. Any other perceptions, of various good or bad things, are just a delusion, like figures made of smoke. If you master the knowledge that makes your intellect shine, you will realize that the entire world is a delusion and not deluded by anything anymore. Then other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Dhumaavati personifies this knowledge. > > Venus is the spirit of enjoyment and bliss. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one egoless and blissful. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly fearless and you do not fear anything, including death or pain, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Chhinnamasta personifies this knowledge. She is depicted as a deity holding her own severed head, standing near a naked couple in copulation and surrounded by associates who are drinking wine. One mastering this knowledge need not stay away from any pleasures, but one learns to see god even those pleasures. However, pleasure obtained with an ego ( " *I* am enjoying this act or object " ) binds. The headless state symbolizes egolessness. If one has overcome I-ness, pleasures are not binding. One not thinking in terms of " *I* am enjoying " but having no sense of " I " can live life without running away from any pleasures or undertaking any austerities and yet become liberated. > > Saturn is the spirit of hard work within us. He also represents our weaknesses and sins. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes us realize our internal enemies and destroy them. If you master the knowledge that makes you overcome weaknesses such as laziness and internal enemies such as lust, anger, greed, jealosy etc, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bagalamukhi personifies this knowledge. Most of her mantras ask to destroy enemies and so people foolishly think that she is the one who gives success in litigation and worship her for court cases. This is like going to a king to ask for two spoons of sugar for your milk. You go to the king for bigger things and a neighbor is enough for giving you two spoons of sugar. The enemies destroyed by Bagalamukhi are internal enemies and your own laziness. Remember, she is a mahavidya, i.e. a type of supreme knowledge that liberates you! > > Rahu is the spirit of material well-being within us. Rahu is the one who binds us to rebirth (this is why Saturn showing sins and Rahu showing rebirth are important in the death chart). The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives us worldly success in a dhaarmik way. If you master the knowledge that makes you materially successful in a dharmik way, you become successful and fulfil all your duties and debts in the world and eventually get liberation. Bhuvaneswari personifies this knowledge. > > Ketu is the spirit of of detachment and Vedic knowledge within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is the essense of Veda. If you master the knowledge that enables you to be in oneness with the supreme cosmic being, you eventually get liberation. Kamala (Mahaalakshmi) personifies this knowledge. According to saptashati rahasya also, Mahaalakshmi is the Aadyaa (the first One). She is the energy of supreme cosmic being. She divides Herself into 3 parts - Mahaakaali, Mahaalakshmi and MahaaSaraswati and they create Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and their consorts. Kamala represents the knowledge of the supreme cosmic energy of the supreme cosmic being. > > * * * > > One of the above is not superior to the other. Depending on your vasanas (mental conditioning), attitudes, likes and dislikes, depending on which aspect of your personality dominates over other aspects (the sinfulness and weaknesses? or the interest in learning things? or the spirit of fighting? or the sense of enjoyment? etc), one Mahavidya may be more suitable than others, as that knowledge uses your strong aspect and moulds that aspect to take you towards liberation. Do not compare them. Take the one that is most suitable, but do master that aspect. > > * * * > > There are some who do Dasa Mahavidya sadhana by doing one Mahavidya's mantra for one month, then switch to another and so on. They think that by doing each mahavidya mantra for a certain count, they " finish " the mahavidya sadhana. This is wrong and serves no useful purpose. Instead, one should pick any ONE mahavidya and succeed in that sadhana. The definition of success is that the knowledge represented by that deity becomes part of your common sense - you understand that knowledge and ooze that knowledge in your thoughts and actions. Whether you experience the deity as an external human-like form (who may impart some knowledge to you) or as an internal human-like form or as light or as sound is secondary, but the end result should be that the knowledge represented by Her should become common sense and second nature to you. One claiming visions or siddhi of a mahavidya but not showing the corresponding knowledge is bluffing. > > There are many people who do mahavidya sadhana and yet many others who claim to have siddhi in one or more mahavidyas, but very few who actually possess any of the ten mahavidyas. The area of mahavidya sadhana is one of the most ill-understood in today's age of ignorance and half-baked knowledge. It is easier to possess lower vidyas or lower shaktis, but mahavidyas are beyond the capability of understanding for most people. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > - > " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan.iyer > > Friday, June 05, 2009 9:58 AM > Re: Rama as God > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > Here's what the Mundamala Tantra states (not in correct itrans format): > > > > kriShnaastu kaalika saakshaat raamamoortischa taariNii | > > vaaraaho bhuvana prokta nrsimho bharavishvarii || > > dhoomavatii vamanaH syaat chinnaa bhrighukulodbhavaAH | > > kamalaa matsyaroopaAH syaat koormastu bagalamukhii || > > maatangii baudh ityeSHa Shodashii kalkiroopinii || > > > > Some of the reason for the mapping given is: > > > > Varaha as the boar that dug deep to uplift Mother Earth (Bhuvaneshvari) > > Bhairavi is the burning tapas of that shoots forth and destroys all evil > > but not to aspirants (like Narasimha deva being kind to Prahalada) > > Parasurama cut the head of his mother Renuka (Chinnamasta) > > Kamalatmika robed in the waters of consciousness is behind the Matsya the > > primordial fish in the vivifying waters of creation. > > Bagalamukhi is stifling force of Kurma avtara that lies still and > > motionless withdrawing its limbs into itself. > > Matangi is the Vaikhari Vak behind the avatara of Buddha who had come to > > articulate the message of truth. > > > > Regards > > Narayan > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Narayan, > >> > >> Todala tantra also maps Vishnu's ten incarnations to Dasa maha vidyas. > >> Krishna is associated with Kaali there too. However, Shiva teaches > >> Parvati > >> in Todala tantra that Maatangi is Rama. Can you give the full list of > >> mapping as given in Munda maalaa tantra? > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Narasimha > >> > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > >> Spirituality: > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > >> > >> > >> - > >> " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan.iyer@> > >> > >> Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:07 AM > >> Re: Rama as God > >> > >> > >> > Namaste Rajarshiji, > >> > > >> >> As a corollary, can the path shown by Lord Rama be equated to the path > >> >> of > >> >> Dakshina Kali and that of Krishna as Vama Kali. > >> > > >> > Actually, Krishna is equated to Kali, as per the Munda Mala Tantra. > >> > Krishna's beeja akshara is Kleem while Kali's beeja akshara is Kreem. > >> > Whereas, Rama is equated to Taaraa, the Raama Naama is called the > >> > Taaraka > >> > mantra. Taaraa means crossing and she is the one who helps us > >> > cross-over > >> > from the material plane to the spiritual plane. Raama also had to cross > >> > the ocean to get Sita. Esoterically, Raama is the soul, Lakshmana is > >> > the > >> > single-pointed concentration (lakshya-mana) and Sita is the Kundalini > >> > Shakti. Raavana who stands for our material desires steals Sita and > >> > takes > >> > her away to Lanka, stands for how our material desires makes the > >> > kundalini > >> > remain in the mooladhara. The beeja akshara of Mooladhaara is Lam, > >> > which > >> > is what Lanka is. > >> > > >> > Munda Maala tantra has other parallels (equating Das Mahaavidya & Das > >> > Avataara) too, some of which makes sense and some of them dont. > >> > > >> > Hope this helps. > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > Narayan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Dear respected Guru and member,Namaskar, This classification of Dasa Mahavidya is very new to me. I am aware of the other form as stated by Mrs. Sarbani Sarkar Rath. I do chant Kamalatmika mantra for Venus as she represents my ista devi. According to this mail, Kamala represents Ketu not Venus. Am I doing all wrong!!! I am confused. Kindly help. Pranam Saumya ________________________________ Antanil Mitra <biswa1975 vedic astrology Sunday, June 7, 2009 2:10:24 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Planets and Dasa Mahavidyas NAMASTE GURUJI Today is the full moon day, after praying before NARAYANA and MAHALAKSHMI and doing Grahapuja of Sun, JUP and MOON, I have visited the temple of SHIVA and KALI..., GOD blessed me reading this kind of knowledges and guiding towards the correct path... Regards, Biswajit of JUP and MOON and vedic astrology , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Dear Narayan, > > Thanks for the verse from Munda Maalaa Tantra. Out of all planet-mahavidya mappings I have seen, this is the most philosophically sound mapping. > > Sun - Taaraa - Raama > Moon - Kaali - Krishna > Mars - Bhairavi - Nrisimha > Mercury - Maatangi - Buddha > Jupiter - Dhumaavati - Vaamana > Venus - Chhinnamastaa - Bhaargava Rama > Saturn - Bagalamukhi - Koorma > Rahu - Bhuvaneswari - Varaaha > Ketu - Kamala - Matsya > > * * * > > Vidya is knowledge. Mahavidya is supreme knowledge. Dasa mahavidyas are the ten highest forms of knowledge that take us to moksha or liberation, approaching from different angles. Other kinds of knowledge (e.g. mathematics, physics, astronomy, astrology, grammar etc) do not liberate us. But these ten kinds of knowledge liberate us. The deities (names and forms described in books for ten mahavidyas) are personifications of those ten types of supreme knowledge that liberate us. > > * * * > > Please note one thing here. Moksha means overcoming the maayaa of the duality around us. Seeing some things as desirable, some as undesirable, some as pleasurable, some as painful, some as beautiful, some as ugly etc is what binds us. Overcoming the duality and seeing all as Brahman is liberation or moksha. > > Different planets represent different aspects of our selves. The duality around us and the way to overcome it seem different from different angles. From the point of view of individual soul (Sun), this maayaa is something that needs to be overcome by crossing and reaching the other end (supreme cosmic soul). From the point of view of mind (Moon), this duality is something that clouds the vision and needs to be destroyed so that it cannot tempt again. From the point of view of the intellect/discrimination/dhee (Jupiter), it issomething that is non-existent anyway ( " so what was the problem in the first place? " ), like shapes made of smoke. From the point of view of initiative and energy within us (Mars), it is something that needs to be fought hard and fearlessly. From the point of view of the learning ability within us (Mercury), it is something that needs to be learnt and understood fully so that we can overcome it. From the point of view of enjoyment and happiness (Venus), it is something that needs to be accepted and enjoyed and not something to fear or avoid ( " after all, all is Brahman. Then why stay away from enjoyments? " ). And so on. > > But remember one important thing. Whichever approach is taken to overcoming duality, the end result is the same. One first masters the approach. It becomes part of one's common sense and thinking. One eventually overcomes duality. One becomes self-realized and becomes liberated. That end result is the same irrespective of the approach chosen. > > * * * > > Sun is the soul within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one wade (tar=swim/wade/cross) the ocean of delusion and get to the source. If you master the knowledge that helps one view the world as an ocean that needs to be crossed to reach the supreme, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Taaraa personifies this knowledge. > > Moon is the mind within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is an understanding of attachments and desires, their impermanence and how to kill them. If you master the knowledge that kills all attachments and desires and gives perfect control on the mind, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Kaali personifies this knowledge. > > Mars is the energy and initiative within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one fearlessness of anything in the universe. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly fearless and you do not fear anything (including death or pain!) other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bhairavi personifies this knowledge. > > Mercury is knowledge and learning ability within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one learning of various topics. If you master the knowledge that give you mastery of all kinds of learning through logical and rational thinking, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Maatangi personifies this knowledge. In fact, some people associate Maatangi with Saraswati. Saraswati is also known as " Maatanga Kanya " . > > Jupiter is the intellect, wisdom and discrimination (dhee shakti) within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is that all is delusion. The individual soul and individual mind and everything they perceive is just an illusion. All that is there is Brahman. Any other perceptions, of various good or bad things, are just a delusion, like figures made of smoke. If you master the knowledge that makes your intellect shine, you will realize that the entire world is a delusion and not deluded by anything anymore. Then other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Dhumaavati personifies this knowledge. > > Venus is the spirit of enjoyment and bliss. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one egoless and blissful. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly fearless and you do not fear anything, including death or pain, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Chhinnamasta personifies this knowledge. She is depicted as a deity holding her own severed head, standing near a naked couple in copulation and surrounded by associates who are drinking wine. One mastering this knowledge need not stay away from any pleasures, but one learns to see god even those pleasures. However, pleasure obtained with an ego ( " *I* am enjoying this act or object " ) binds. The headless state symbolizes egolessness. If one has overcome I-ness, pleasures are not binding. One not thinking in terms of " *I* am enjoying " but having no sense of " I " can live life without running away from any pleasures or undertaking any austerities and yet become liberated. > > Saturn is the spirit of hard work within us. He also represents our weaknesses and sins. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes us realize our internal enemies and destroy them. If you master the knowledge that makes you overcome weaknesses such as laziness and internal enemies such as lust, anger, greed, jealosy etc, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bagalamukhi personifies this knowledge. Most of her mantras ask to destroy enemies and so people foolishly think that she is the one who gives success in litigation and worship her for court cases. This is like going to a king to ask for two spoons of sugar for your milk. You go to the king for bigger things and a neighbor is enough for giving you two spoons of sugar. The enemies destroyed by Bagalamukhi are internal enemies and your own laziness. Remember, she is a mahavidya, i.e. a type of supreme knowledge that liberates you! > > Rahu is the spirit of material well-being within us. Rahu is the one who binds us to rebirth (this is why Saturn showing sins and Rahu showing rebirth are important in the death chart). The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives us worldly success in a dhaarmik way. If you master the knowledge that makes you materially successful in a dharmik way, you become successful and fulfil all your duties and debts in the world and eventually get liberation. Bhuvaneswari personifies this knowledge. > > Ketu is the spirit of of detachment and Vedic knowledge within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is the essense of Veda. If you master the knowledge that enables you to be in oneness with the supreme cosmic being, you eventually get liberation. Kamala (Mahaalakshmi) personifies this knowledge. According to saptashati rahasya also, Mahaalakshmi is the Aadyaa (the first One). She is the energy of supreme cosmic being. She divides Herself into 3 parts - Mahaakaali, Mahaalakshmi and MahaaSaraswati and they create Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and their consorts. Kamala represents the knowledge of the supreme cosmic energy of the supreme cosmic being. > > * * * > > One of the above is not superior to the other. Depending on your vasanas (mental conditioning), attitudes, likes and dislikes, depending on which aspect of your personality dominates over other aspects (the sinfulness and weaknesses? or the interest in learning things? or the spirit of fighting? or the sense of enjoyment? etc), one Mahavidya may be more suitable than others, as that knowledge uses your strong aspect and moulds that aspect to take you towards liberation. Do not compare them. Take the one that is most suitable, but do master that aspect. > > * * * > > There are some who do Dasa Mahavidya sadhana by doing one Mahavidya's mantra for one month, then switch to another and so on. They think that by doing each mahavidya mantra for a certain count, they " finish " the mahavidya sadhana. This is wrong and serves no useful purpose. Instead, one should pick any ONE mahavidya and succeed in that sadhana. The definition of success is that the knowledge represented by that deity becomes part of your common sense - you understand that knowledge and ooze that knowledge in your thoughts and actions. Whether you experience the deity as an external human-like form (who may impart some knowledge to you) or as an internal human-like form or as light or as sound is secondary, but the end result should be that the knowledge represented by Her should become common sense and second nature to you. One claiming visions or siddhi of a mahavidya but not showing the corresponding knowledge is bluffing. > > There are many people who do mahavidya sadhana and yet many others who claim to have siddhi in one or more mahavidyas, but very few who actually possess any of the ten mahavidyas. The area of mahavidya sadhana is one of the most ill-understood in today's age of ignorance and half-baked knowledge. It is easier to possess lower vidyas or lower shaktis, but mahavidyas are beyond the capability of understanding for most people. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > - > " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan.iyer > > Friday, June 05, 2009 9:58 AM > Re: Rama as God > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > Here's what the Mundamala Tantra states (not in correct itrans format): > > > > kriShnaastu kaalika saakshaat raamamoortischa taariNii | > > vaaraaho bhuvana prokta nrsimho bharavishvarii || > > dhoomavatii vamanaH syaat chinnaa bhrighukulodbhavaAH | > > kamalaa matsyaroopaAH syaat koormastu bagalamukhii || > > maatangii baudh ityeSHa Shodashii kalkiroopinii || > > > > Some of the reason for the mapping given is: > > > > Varaha as the boar that dug deep to uplift Mother Earth (Bhuvaneshvari) > > Bhairavi is the burning tapas of that shoots forth and destroys all evil > > but not to aspirants (like Narasimha deva being kind to Prahalada) > > Parasurama cut the head of his mother Renuka (Chinnamasta) > > Kamalatmika robed in the waters of consciousness is behind the Matsya the > > primordial fish in the vivifying waters of creation. > > Bagalamukhi is stifling force of Kurma avtara that lies still and > > motionless withdrawing its limbs into itself. > > Matangi is the Vaikhari Vak behind the avatara of Buddha who had come to > > articulate the message of truth. > > > > Regards > > Narayan > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Narayan, > >> > >> Todala tantra also maps Vishnu's ten incarnations to Dasa maha vidyas. > >> Krishna is associated with Kaali there too. However, Shiva teaches > >> Parvati > >> in Todala tantra that Maatangi is Rama. Can you give the full list of > >> mapping as given in Munda maalaa tantra? > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Narasimha > >> > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > >> Spirituality: > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > >> > >> > >> - > >> " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan.iyer@> > >> > >> Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:07 AM > >> Re: Rama as God > >> > >> > >> > Namaste Rajarshiji, > >> > > >> >> As a corollary, can the path shown by Lord Rama be equated to the path > >> >> of > >> >> Dakshina Kali and that of Krishna as Vama Kali. > >> > > >> > Actually, Krishna is equated to Kali, as per the Munda Mala Tantra. > >> > Krishna's beeja akshara is Kleem while Kali's beeja akshara is Kreem. > >> > Whereas, Rama is equated to Taaraa, the Raama Naama is called the > >> > Taaraka > >> > mantra. Taaraa means crossing and she is the one who helps us > >> > cross-over > >> > from the material plane to the spiritual plane. Raama also had to cross > >> > the ocean to get Sita. Esoterically, Raama is the soul, Lakshmana is > >> > the > >> > single-pointed concentration (lakshya-mana) and Sita is the Kundalini > >> > Shakti. Raavana who stands for our material desires steals Sita and > >> > takes > >> > her away to Lanka, stands for how our material desires makes the > >> > kundalini > >> > remain in the mooladhara. The beeja akshara of Mooladhaara is Lam, > >> > which > >> > is what Lanka is. > >> > > >> > Munda Maala tantra has other parallels (equating Das Mahaavidya & Das > >> > Avataara) too, some of which makes sense and some of them dont. > >> > > >> > Hope this helps. > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > Narayan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Narasimha, Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, " Jyotish Kalpa-Vriksha " has quoted from the tantra thus: Divaakarasya Matangi Chandrasya Bhuvaneshvari Kujasya Bagalaadevi Budhasya Parasundari. Tara Brihaspateshchaiva Shukrasya Kamaltmika Shanestu Dakshinakaali Grahanaamishtadevtaa.. Chhinnamastaa Tathaa Raahoh Ketordhumavati Tathaa. He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. He has further proceeded to construct a table called Sarbadukhaharachakramidam, where he has mapped the planets with the Dashavatars and the Dasha Mahavidyas. It might be of intereste to you. Best Regards, Sarbani Rath Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> http://sagittariuspublications.com Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org vedic astrology [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao 07 June 2009 03:24 Cc: vedic astrology ; ; sohamsa [vedic astrology] Planets and Dasa Mahavidyas Dear Narayan, Thanks for the verse from Munda Maalaa Tantra. Out of all planet-mahavidya mappings I have seen, this is the most philosophically sound mapping. Sun - Taaraa - Raama Moon - Kaali - Krishna Mars - Bhairavi - Nrisimha Mercury - Maatangi - Buddha Jupiter - Dhumaavati - Vaamana Venus - Chhinnamastaa - Bhaargava Rama Saturn - Bagalamukhi - Koorma Rahu - Bhuvaneswari - Varaaha Ketu - Kamala - Matsya * * * Vidya is knowledge. Mahavidya is supreme knowledge. Dasa mahavidyas are the ten highest forms of knowledge that take us to moksha or liberation, approaching from different angles. Other kinds of knowledge (e.g. mathematics, physics, astronomy, astrology, grammar etc) do not liberate us. But these ten kinds of knowledge liberate us. The deities (names and forms described in books for ten mahavidyas) are personifications of those ten types of supreme knowledge that liberate us. * * * Please note one thing here. Moksha means overcoming the maayaa of the duality around us. Seeing some things as desirable, some as undesirable, some as pleasurable, some as painful, some as beautiful, some as ugly etc is what binds us. Overcoming the duality and seeing all as Brahman is liberation or moksha. Different planets represent different aspects of our selves. The duality around us and the way to overcome it seem different from different angles. From the point of view of individual soul (Sun), this maayaa is something that needs to be overcome by crossing and reaching the other end (supreme cosmic soul). From the point of view of mind (Moon), this duality is something that clouds the vision and needs to be destroyed so that it cannot tempt again. From the point of view of the intellect/discrimination/dhee (Jupiter), it issomething that is non-existent anyway ( " so what was the problem in the first place? " ), like shapes made of smoke. From the point of view of initiative and energy within us (Mars), it is something that needs to be fought hard and fearlessly. From the point of view of the learning ability within us (Mercury), it is something that needs to be learnt and understood fully so that we can overcome it. From the point of view of enjoyment and happiness (Venus), it is something that needs to be accepted and enjoyed and not something to fear or avoid ( " after all, all is Brahman. Then why stay away from enjoyments? " ). And so on. But remember one important thing. Whichever approach is taken to overcoming duality, the end result is the same. One first masters the approach. It becomes part of one's common sense and thinking. One eventually overcomes duality. One becomes self-realized and becomes liberated. That end result is the same irrespective of the approach chosen. * * * Sun is the soul within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one wade (tar=swim/wade/cross) the ocean of delusion and get to the source. If you master the knowledge that helps one view the world as an ocean that needs to be crossed to reach the supreme, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Taaraa personifies this knowledge. Moon is the mind within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is an understanding of attachments and desires, their impermanence and how to kill them. If you master the knowledge that kills all attachments and desires and gives perfect control on the mind, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Kaali personifies this knowledge. Mars is the energy and initiative within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one fearlessness of anything in the universe. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly fearless and you do not fear anything (including death or pain!) other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bhairavi personifies this knowledge. Mercury is knowledge and learning ability within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one learning of various topics. If you master the knowledge that give you mastery of all kinds of learning through logical and rational thinking, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Maatangi personifies this knowledge. In fact, some people associate Maatangi with Saraswati. Saraswati is also known as " Maatanga Kanya " . Jupiter is the intellect, wisdom and discrimination (dhee shakti) within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is that all is delusion. The individual soul and individual mind and everything they perceive is just an illusion. All that is there is Brahman. Any other perceptions, of various good or bad things, are just a delusion, like figures made of smoke. If you master the knowledge that makes your intellect shine, you will realize that the entire world is a delusion and not deluded by anything anymore. Then other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Dhumaavati personifies this knowledge. Venus is the spirit of enjoyment and bliss. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one egoless and blissful. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly fearless and you do not fear anything, including death or pain, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Chhinnamasta personifies this knowledge. She is depicted as a deity holding her own severed head, standing near a naked couple in copulation and surrounded by associates who are drinking wine. One mastering this knowledge need not stay away from any pleasures, but one learns to see god even those pleasures. However, pleasure obtained with an ego ( " *I* am enjoying this act or object " ) binds. The headless state symbolizes egolessness. If one has overcome I-ness, pleasures are not binding. One not thinking in terms of " *I* am enjoying " but having no sense of " I " can live life without running away from any pleasures or undertaking any austerities and yet become liberated. Saturn is the spirit of hard work within us. He also represents our weaknesses and sins. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes us realize our internal enemies and destroy them. If you master the knowledge that makes you overcome weaknesses such as laziness and internal enemies such as lust, anger, greed, jealosy etc, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bagalamukhi personifies this knowledge. Most of her mantras ask to destroy enemies and so people foolishly think that she is the one who gives success in litigation and worship her for court cases. This is like going to a king to ask for two spoons of sugar for your milk. You go to the king for bigger things and a neighbor is enough for giving you two spoons of sugar. The enemies destroyed by Bagalamukhi are internal enemies and your own laziness. Remember, she is a mahavidya, i.e. a type of supreme knowledge that liberates you! Rahu is the spirit of material well-being within us. Rahu is the one who binds us to rebirth (this is why Saturn showing sins and Rahu showing rebirth are important in the death chart). The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives us worldly success in a dhaarmik way. If you master the knowledge that makes you materially successful in a dharmik way, you become successful and fulfil all your duties and debts in the world and eventually get liberation. Bhuvaneswari personifies this knowledge. Ketu is the spirit of of detachment and Vedic knowledge within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is the essense of Veda. If you master the knowledge that enables you to be in oneness with the supreme cosmic being, you eventually get liberation. Kamala (Mahaalakshmi) personifies this knowledge. According to saptashati rahasya also, Mahaalakshmi is the Aadyaa (the first One). She is the energy of supreme cosmic being. She divides Herself into 3 parts - Mahaakaali, Mahaalakshmi and MahaaSaraswati and they create Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and their consorts. Kamala represents the knowledge of the supreme cosmic energy of the supreme cosmic being. * * * One of the above is not superior to the other. Depending on your vasanas (mental conditioning), attitudes, likes and dislikes, depending on which aspect of your personality dominates over other aspects (the sinfulness and weaknesses? or the interest in learning things? or the spirit of fighting? or the sense of enjoyment? etc), one Mahavidya may be more suitable than others, as that knowledge uses your strong aspect and moulds that aspect to take you towards liberation. Do not compare them. Take the one that is most suitable, but do master that aspect. * * * There are some who do Dasa Mahavidya sadhana by doing one Mahavidya's mantra for one month, then switch to another and so on. They think that by doing each mahavidya mantra for a certain count, they " finish " the mahavidya sadhana. This is wrong and serves no useful purpose. Instead, one should pick any ONE mahavidya and succeed in that sadhana. The definition of success is that the knowledge represented by that deity becomes part of your common sense - you understand that knowledge and ooze that knowledge in your thoughts and actions. Whether you experience the deity as an external human-like form (who may impart some knowledge to you) or as an internal human-like form or as light or as sound is secondary, but the end result should be that the knowledge represented by Her should become common sense and second nature to you. One claiming visions or siddhi of a mahavidya but not showing the corresponding knowledge is bluffing. There are many people who do mahavidya sadhana and yet many others who claim to have siddhi in one or more mahavidyas, but very few who actually possess any of the ten mahavidyas. The area of mahavidya sadhana is one of the most ill-understood in today's age of ignorance and half-baked knowledge. It is easier to possess lower vidyas or lower shaktis, but mahavidyas are beyond the capability of understanding for most people. Best regards, Narasimha ------------------------- Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------- - " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan.iyer <narayan.iyer%40gmail.com> > < <%40> > Friday, June 05, 2009 9:58 AM Re: Rama as God > Namaste Narasimha, > > Here's what the Mundamala Tantra states (not in correct itrans format): > > kriShnaastu kaalika saakshaat raamamoortischa taariNii | > vaaraaho bhuvana prokta nrsimho bharavishvarii || > dhoomavatii vamanaH syaat chinnaa bhrighukulodbhavaAH | > kamalaa matsyaroopaAH syaat koormastu bagalamukhii || > maatangii baudh ityeSHa Shodashii kalkiroopinii || > > Some of the reason for the mapping given is: > > Varaha as the boar that dug deep to uplift Mother Earth (Bhuvaneshvari) > Bhairavi is the burning tapas of that shoots forth and destroys all evil > but not to aspirants (like Narasimha deva being kind to Prahalada) > Parasurama cut the head of his mother Renuka (Chinnamasta) > Kamalatmika robed in the waters of consciousness is behind the Matsya the > primordial fish in the vivifying waters of creation. > Bagalamukhi is stifling force of Kurma avtara that lies still and > motionless withdrawing its limbs into itself. > Matangi is the Vaikhari Vak behind the avatara of Buddha who had come to > articulate the message of truth. > > Regards > Narayan > > <%40> , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr > wrote: >> >> Dear Narayan, >> >> Todala tantra also maps Vishnu's ten incarnations to Dasa maha vidyas. >> Krishna is associated with Kaali there too. However, Shiva teaches >> Parvati >> in Todala tantra that Maatangi is Rama. Can you give the full list of >> mapping as given in Munda maalaa tantra? >> >> Best regards, >> Narasimha >> ------------------------- >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana >> Spirituality: >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org >> ------------------------- >> >> - >> " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan.iyer >> < <%40> > >> Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:07 AM >> Re: Rama as God >> >> >> > Namaste Rajarshiji, >> > >> >> As a corollary, can the path shown by Lord Rama be equated to the path >> >> of >> >> Dakshina Kali and that of Krishna as Vama Kali. >> > >> > Actually, Krishna is equated to Kali, as per the Munda Mala Tantra. >> > Krishna's beeja akshara is Kleem while Kali's beeja akshara is Kreem. >> > Whereas, Rama is equated to Taaraa, the Raama Naama is called the >> > Taaraka >> > mantra. Taaraa means crossing and she is the one who helps us >> > cross-over >> > from the material plane to the spiritual plane. Raama also had to cross >> > the ocean to get Sita. Esoterically, Raama is the soul, Lakshmana is >> > the >> > single-pointed concentration (lakshya-mana) and Sita is the Kundalini >> > Shakti. Raavana who stands for our material desires steals Sita and >> > takes >> > her away to Lanka, stands for how our material desires makes the >> > kundalini >> > remain in the mooladhara. The beeja akshara of Mooladhaara is Lam, >> > which >> > is what Lanka is. >> > >> > Munda Maala tantra has other parallels (equating Das Mahaavidya & Das >> > Avataara) too, some of which makes sense and some of them dont. >> > >> > Hope this helps. >> > >> > Thanks >> > Narayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Dear Swee, > If you do not mind, Munda literally means " demon " ?????????? - so the list > you have given below is not for the purpose of internal yagna but for > causing pain to others, which I believe is opposite of what you are trying > to teach. Munda does not have such a meaning at all. It means a head, especially a shaved head. It also symbolizes ego. Munda maala is a garland of heads and symbolizes the endless cycle of birth, death and rebirth. * * * Dear Sarbani, Good to hear from you! Please convey my regards to Sanjay ji. > Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, " Jyotish > Kalpa-Vriksha " has quoted from the tantra thus: > > <verse..see below> > > He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. Thank you for giving a classical reference to the SJC version of planet-Mahavidya mapping. Do you know when Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya lived? If he does not name the tantra that he " has quoted from " , that is not helpful. Munda Maala Tantra, on the other hand, is a respected Tantra text. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani wrote: > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Narasimha, > > Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, " Jyotish > Kalpa-Vriksha " has quoted from the tantra thus: > > Divaakarasya Matangi Chandrasya Bhuvaneshvari > Kujasya Bagalaadevi Budhasya Parasundari. > Tara Brihaspateshchaiva Shukrasya Kamaltmika > Shanestu Dakshinakaali Grahanaamishtadevtaa.. > Chhinnamastaa Tathaa Raahoh Ketordhumavati Tathaa. > > He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. He has further proceeded > to construct a table called Sarbadukhaharachakramidam, where he has mapped > the planets with the Dashavatars and the Dasha Mahavidyas. It might be of > intereste to you. > > Best Regards, > > Sarbani Rath > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Narasimha, > > Namaste > > If you do not mind, Munda literally means " demon " ?????????? - so the list > you have given below is not for the purpose of internal yagna but for > causing pain to others, which I believe is opposite of what you are trying > to teach. > > According to my Guru, Chhinnamasta is akin to Rahu, fierce and its vidya > quells the rebellious aspect of the enemy. Nothing to do with cleansing the > Indriya per se, but the prevailing external forces which we can map to our > horoscopes. Parasara of course teaches us that it is not one, but two or > more malefics that causes such pain. > > Baglamukhi is Mars, since she helps in lawsuits and contentious issues with > land. Both issues point to Mars as the karaka in learner jyotish. Whilst we > are at it, I am surprised you did not but her in the category of Venus, the > 2nd house lord of the natural horoscope and speech.since Bablamukhi is > number one for causing stambhan. > > You may enjoy reading the Narada Purana with its wonderful exposition on the > expansions of the shaktis and get a better idea on the same, since it is > evident that you have given a list off the cuff and off course. > > Thanks for reading. > > Love, > > Swee > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > 06 June 2009 22:54 > > Cc: vedic astrology ; ; > sohamsa > Planets and Dasa Mahavidyas > > Dear Narayan, > > Thanks for the verse from Munda Maalaa Tantra. Out of all planet-mahavidya > mappings I have seen, this is the most philosophically sound mapping. > > Sun - Taaraa - Raama > Moon - Kaali - Krishna > Mars - Bhairavi - Nrisimha > Mercury - Maatangi - Buddha > Jupiter - Dhumaavati - Vaamana > Venus - Chhinnamastaa - Bhaargava Rama > Saturn - Bagalamukhi - Koorma > Rahu - Bhuvaneswari - Varaaha > Ketu - Kamala - Matsya > > * * * > > Vidya is knowledge. Mahavidya is supreme knowledge. Dasa mahavidyas are the > ten highest forms of knowledge that take us to moksha or liberation, > approaching from different angles. Other kinds of knowledge (e.g. > mathematics, physics, astronomy, astrology, grammar etc) do not liberate us. > But these ten kinds of knowledge liberate us. The deities (names and forms > described in books for ten mahavidyas) are personifications of those ten > types of supreme knowledge that liberate us. > > * * * > > Please note one thing here. Moksha means overcoming the maayaa of the > duality around us. Seeing some things as desirable, some as undesirable, > some as pleasurable, some as painful, some as beautiful, some as ugly etc is > what binds us. Overcoming the duality and seeing all as Brahman is > liberation or moksha. > > Different planets represent different aspects of our selves. The duality > around us and the way to overcome it seem different from different angles. > From the point of view of individual soul (Sun), this maayaa is something > that needs to be overcome by crossing and reaching the other end (supreme > cosmic soul). From the point of view of mind (Moon), this duality is > something that clouds the vision and needs to be destroyed so that it cannot > tempt again. From the point of view of the intellect/discrimination/dhee > (Jupiter), it issomething that is non-existent anyway ( " so what was the > problem in the first place? " ), like shapes made of smoke. From the point of > view of initiative and energy within us (Mars), it is something that needs > to be fought hard and fearlessly. From the point of view of the learning > ability within us (Mercury), it is something that needs to be learnt and > understood fully so that we can overcome it. From the point of view of > enjoyment and happiness (Venus), it is something that needs to be accepted > and enjoyed and not something to fear or avoid ( " after all, all is Brahman. > Then why stay away from enjoyments? " ). And so on. > > But remember one important thing. Whichever approach is taken to overcoming > duality, the end result is the same. One first masters the approach. It > becomes part of one's common sense and thinking. One eventually overcomes > duality. One becomes self-realized and becomes liberated. That end result is > the same irrespective of the approach chosen. > > * * * > > Sun is the soul within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving > deep into this aspect is what makes one wade (tar=swim/wade/cross) the ocean > of delusion and get to the source. If you master the knowledge that helps > one view the world as an ocean that needs to be crossed to reach the > supreme, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Taaraa > personifies this knowledge. > > Moon is the mind within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from > delving deep into this aspect is an understanding of attachments and > desires, their impermanence and how to kill them. If you master the > knowledge that kills all attachments and desires and gives perfect control > on the mind, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. > Kaali personifies this knowledge. > > Mars is the energy and initiative within us. The highest form of knowledge > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one fearlessness of > anything in the universe. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly > fearless and you do not fear anything (including death or pain!) other > things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bhairavi personifies > this knowledge. > > Mercury is knowledge and learning ability within us. The highest form of > knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one > learning of various topics. If you master the knowledge that give you > mastery of all kinds of learning through logical and rational thinking, > other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Maatangi > personifies this knowledge. In fact, some people associate Maatangi with > Saraswati. Saraswati is also known as " Maatanga Kanya " . > > Jupiter is the intellect, wisdom and discrimination (dhee shakti) within us. > The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is > that all is delusion. The individual soul and individual mind and everything > they perceive is just an illusion. All that is there is Brahman. Any other > perceptions, of various good or bad things, are just a delusion, like > figures made of smoke. If you master the knowledge that makes your intellect > shine, you will realize that the entire world is a delusion and not deluded > by anything anymore. Then other things will follow and you eventually get > liberation. Dhumaavati personifies this knowledge. > > Venus is the spirit of enjoyment and bliss. The highest form of knowledge > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one egoless and > blissful. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly fearless and > you do not fear anything, including death or pain, other things will follow > and you eventually get liberation. Chhinnamasta personifies this knowledge. > She is depicted as a deity holding her own severed head, standing near a > naked couple in copulation and surrounded by associates who are drinking > wine. One mastering this knowledge need not stay away from any pleasures, > but one learns to see god even those pleasures. However, pleasure obtained > with an ego ( " *I* am enjoying this act or object " ) binds. The headless state > symbolizes egolessness. If one has overcome I-ness, pleasures are not > binding. One not thinking in terms of " *I* am enjoying " but having no sense > of " I " can live life without running away from any pleasures or undertaking > any austerities and yet become liberated. > > Saturn is the spirit of hard work within us. He also represents our > weaknesses and sins. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep > into this aspect is what makes us realize our internal enemies and destroy > them. If you master the knowledge that makes you overcome weaknesses such as > laziness and internal enemies such as lust, anger, greed, jealosy etc, other > things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bagalamukhi > personifies this knowledge. Most of her mantras ask to destroy enemies and > so people foolishly think that she is the one who gives success in > litigation and worship her for court cases. This is like going to a king to > ask for two spoons of sugar for your milk. You go to the king for bigger > things and a neighbor is enough for giving you two spoons of sugar. The > enemies destroyed by Bagalamukhi are internal enemies and your own laziness. > Remember, she is a mahavidya, i.e. a type of supreme knowledge that > liberates you! > > Rahu is the spirit of material well-being within us. Rahu is the one who > binds us to rebirth (this is why Saturn showing sins and Rahu showing > rebirth are important in the death chart). The highest form of knowledge > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives us worldly success > in a dhaarmik way. If you master the knowledge that makes you materially > successful in a dharmik way, you become successful and fulfil all your > duties and debts in the world and eventually get liberation. Bhuvaneswari > personifies this knowledge. > > Ketu is the spirit of of detachment and Vedic knowledge within us. The > highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is the > essense of Veda. If you master the knowledge that enables you to be in > oneness with the supreme cosmic being, you eventually get liberation. Kamala > (Mahaalakshmi) personifies this knowledge. According to saptashati rahasya > also, Mahaalakshmi is the Aadyaa (the first One). She is the energy of > supreme cosmic being. She divides Herself into 3 parts - Mahaakaali, > Mahaalakshmi and MahaaSaraswati and they create Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and > their consorts. Kamala represents the knowledge of the supreme cosmic energy > of the supreme cosmic being. > > * * * > > One of the above is not superior to the other. Depending on your vasanas > (mental conditioning), attitudes, likes and dislikes, depending on which > aspect of your personality dominates over other aspects (the sinfulness and > weaknesses? or the interest in learning things? or the spirit of fighting? > or the sense of enjoyment? etc), one Mahavidya may be more suitable than > others, as that knowledge uses your strong aspect and moulds that aspect to > take you towards liberation. Do not compare them. Take the one that is most > suitable, but do master that aspect. > > * * * > > There are some who do Dasa Mahavidya sadhana by doing one Mahavidya's mantra > for one month, then switch to another and so on. They think that by doing > each mahavidya mantra for a certain count, they " finish " the mahavidya > sadhana. This is wrong and serves no useful purpose. Instead, one should > pick any ONE mahavidya and succeed in that sadhana. The definition of > success is that the knowledge represented by that deity becomes part of your > common sense - you understand that knowledge and ooze that knowledge in your > thoughts and actions. Whether you experience the deity as an external > human-like form (who may impart some knowledge to you) or as an internal > human-like form or as light or as sound is secondary, but the end result > should be that the knowledge represented by Her should become common sense > and second nature to you. One claiming visions or siddhi of a mahavidya but > not showing the corresponding knowledge is bluffing. > > There are many people who do mahavidya sadhana and yet many others who claim > to have siddhi in one or more mahavidyas, but very few who actually possess > any of the ten mahavidyas. The area of mahavidya sadhana is one of the most > ill-understood in today's age of ignorance and half-baked knowledge. It is > easier to possess lower vidyas or lower shaktis, but mahavidyas are beyond > the capability of understanding for most people. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: <> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <http://www.SriJagannath.org> > http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > - > " naaraayana_iyer " < <narayan.iyer > narayan.iyer > < > > Friday, June 05, 2009 9:58 AM > Re: Rama as God > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > Here's what the Mundamala Tantra states (not in correct itrans format): > > > > kriShnaastu kaalika saakshaat raamamoortischa taariNii | > > vaaraaho bhuvana prokta nrsimho bharavishvarii || > > dhoomavatii vamanaH syaat chinnaa bhrighukulodbhavaAH | > > kamalaa matsyaroopaAH syaat koormastu bagalamukhii || > > maatangii baudh ityeSHa Shodashii kalkiroopinii || > > > > Some of the reason for the mapping given is: > > > > Varaha as the boar that dug deep to uplift Mother Earth (Bhuvaneshvari) > > Bhairavi is the burning tapas of that shoots forth and destroys all evil > > but not to aspirants (like Narasimha deva being kind to Prahalada) > > Parasurama cut the head of his mother Renuka (Chinnamasta) > > Kamalatmika robed in the waters of consciousness is behind the Matsya the > > primordial fish in the vivifying waters of creation. > > Bagalamukhi is stifling force of Kurma avtara that lies still and > > motionless withdrawing its limbs into itself. > > Matangi is the Vaikhari Vak behind the avatara of Buddha who had come to > > articulate the message of truth. > > > > Regards > > Narayan > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Narayan, > >> > >> Todala tantra also maps Vishnu's ten incarnations to Dasa maha vidyas. > >> Krishna is associated with Kaali there too. However, Shiva teaches > >> Parvati > >> in Todala tantra that Maatangi is Rama. Can you give the full list of > >> mapping as given in Munda maalaa tantra? > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Narasimha > >> > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > >> Spirituality: <> > > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <http://www.SriJagannath.org> > http://www.SriJagannath.org > >> > >> > >> - > >> " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan.iyer@> > >> < > > >> Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:07 AM > >> Re: Rama as God > >> > >> > >> > Namaste Rajarshiji, > >> > > >> >> As a corollary, can the path shown by Lord Rama be equated to the path > > >> >> of > >> >> Dakshina Kali and that of Krishna as Vama Kali. > >> > > >> > Actually, Krishna is equated to Kali, as per the Munda Mala Tantra. > >> > Krishna's beeja akshara is Kleem while Kali's beeja akshara is Kreem. > >> > Whereas, Rama is equated to Taaraa, the Raama Naama is called the > >> > Taaraka > >> > mantra. Taaraa means crossing and she is the one who helps us > >> > cross-over > >> > from the material plane to the spiritual plane. Raama also had to cross > >> > the ocean to get Sita. Esoterically, Raama is the soul, Lakshmana is > >> > the > >> > single-pointed concentration (lakshya-mana) and Sita is the Kundalini > >> > Shakti. Raavana who stands for our material desires steals Sita and > >> > takes > >> > her away to Lanka, stands for how our material desires makes the > >> > kundalini > >> > remain in the mooladhara. The beeja akshara of Mooladhaara is Lam, > >> > which > >> > is what Lanka is. > >> > > >> > Munda Maala tantra has other parallels (equating Das Mahaavidya & Das > >> > Avataara) too, some of which makes sense and some of them dont. > >> > > >> > Hope this helps. > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > Narayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Namaste, Actually, this will be very new to many. Though some people recommend mahavidya sadhana liberally, other simpler forms of sadhana are appropriate for most people. Dasa mahavidyas are too subtle and too advanced for most people to grasp. They are for extremely mature sadhakas only. If Venus is influencing the 12th from AK in navamsa, Lakshmi would be appropriate. I am not talking about Kamala, one of the Mahavidyas here. I am talking about Lakshmi. Any Lakshmi mantra or Lakshmi Ashtottara shata naama stotram will be very good. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org vedic astrology , saumya ray chaudhuri <saumya wrote: > > Dear respected Guru and member,Namaskar, > This classification of Dasa Mahavidya is very new to me. I am aware of the other form as stated by Mrs. Sarbani Sarkar Rath. I do chant Kamalatmika mantra for Venus as she represents my ista devi. According to this mail, Kamala represents Ketu not Venus. Am I doing all wrong!!! I am confused. Kindly help. > Pranam > Saumya > > ________________________________ > Antanil Mitra <biswa1975 > vedic astrology > Sunday, June 7, 2009 2:10:24 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Planets and Dasa Mahavidyas > > NAMASTE GURUJI > > Today is the full moon day, after praying before NARAYANA and MAHALAKSHMI and doing Grahapuja of Sun, JUP and MOON, I have visited the temple of SHIVA and KALI..., GOD blessed me reading this kind of knowledges and guiding towards the correct path... > > Regards, > Biswajit > > of JUP and MOON and > vedic astrology , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Dear Narayan, > > > > Thanks for the verse from Munda Maalaa Tantra. Out of all planet-mahavidya mappings I have seen, this is the most philosophically sound mapping. > > > > Sun - Taaraa - Raama > > Moon - Kaali - Krishna > > Mars - Bhairavi - Nrisimha > > Mercury - Maatangi - Buddha > > Jupiter - Dhumaavati - Vaamana > > Venus - Chhinnamastaa - Bhaargava Rama > > Saturn - Bagalamukhi - Koorma > > Rahu - Bhuvaneswari - Varaaha > > Ketu - Kamala - Matsya > > > > * * * > > > > Vidya is knowledge. Mahavidya is supreme knowledge. Dasa mahavidyas are the ten highest forms of knowledge that take us to moksha or liberation, approaching from different angles. Other kinds of knowledge (e.g. mathematics, physics, astronomy, astrology, grammar etc) do not liberate us. But these ten kinds of knowledge liberate us. The deities (names and forms described in books for ten mahavidyas) are personifications of those ten types of supreme knowledge that liberate us. > > > > * * * > > > > Please note one thing here. Moksha means overcoming the maayaa of the duality around us. Seeing some things as desirable, some as undesirable, some as pleasurable, some as painful, some as beautiful, some as ugly etc is what binds us. Overcoming the duality and seeing all as Brahman is liberation or moksha. > > > > Different planets represent different aspects of our selves. The duality around us and the way to overcome it seem different from different angles. From the point of view of individual soul (Sun), this maayaa is something that needs to be overcome by crossing and reaching the other end (supreme cosmic soul). From the point of view of mind (Moon), this duality is something that clouds the vision and needs to be destroyed so that it cannot tempt again. From the point of view of the intellect/discrimination/dhee (Jupiter), it issomething that is non-existent anyway ( " so what was the problem in the first place? " ), like shapes made of smoke. From the point of view of initiative and energy within us (Mars), it is something that needs to be fought hard and fearlessly. From the point of view of the learning ability within us (Mercury), it is something that needs to be learnt and understood fully so that we can overcome it. From the point of view of enjoyment > and happiness (Venus), it is something that needs to be accepted and enjoyed and not something to fear or avoid ( " after all, all is Brahman. Then why stay away from enjoyments? " ). And so on. > > > > But remember one important thing. Whichever approach is taken to overcoming duality, the end result is the same. One first masters the approach. It becomes part of one's common sense and thinking. One eventually overcomes duality. One becomes self-realized and becomes liberated. That end result is the same irrespective of the approach chosen. > > > > * * * > > > > Sun is the soul within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one wade (tar=swim/wade/cross) the ocean of delusion and get to the source. If you master the knowledge that helps one view the world as an ocean that needs to be crossed to reach the supreme, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Taaraa personifies this knowledge. > > > > Moon is the mind within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is an understanding of attachments and desires, their impermanence and how to kill them. If you master the knowledge that kills all attachments and desires and gives perfect control on the mind, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Kaali personifies this knowledge. > > > > Mars is the energy and initiative within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one fearlessness of anything in the universe. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly fearless and you do not fear anything (including death or pain!) other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bhairavi personifies this knowledge. > > > > Mercury is knowledge and learning ability within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one learning of various topics. If you master the knowledge that give you mastery of all kinds of learning through logical and rational thinking, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Maatangi personifies this knowledge. In fact, some people associate Maatangi with Saraswati. Saraswati is also known as " Maatanga Kanya " . > > > > Jupiter is the intellect, wisdom and discrimination (dhee shakti) within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is that all is delusion. The individual soul and individual mind and everything they perceive is just an illusion. All that is there is Brahman. Any other perceptions, of various good or bad things, are just a delusion, like figures made of smoke. If you master the knowledge that makes your intellect shine, you will realize that the entire world is a delusion and not deluded by anything anymore. Then other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Dhumaavati personifies this knowledge. > > > > Venus is the spirit of enjoyment and bliss. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one egoless and blissful. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly fearless and you do not fear anything, including death or pain, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Chhinnamasta personifies this knowledge. She is depicted as a deity holding her own severed head, standing near a naked couple in copulation and surrounded by associates who are drinking wine. One mastering this knowledge need not stay away from any pleasures, but one learns to see god even those pleasures. However, pleasure obtained with an ego ( " *I* am enjoying this act or object " ) binds. The headless state symbolizes egolessness. If one has overcome I-ness, pleasures are not binding. One not thinking in terms of " *I* am enjoying " but having no sense of " I " can live life without running away from any pleasures or undertaking > any austerities and yet become liberated. > > > > Saturn is the spirit of hard work within us. He also represents our weaknesses and sins. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes us realize our internal enemies and destroy them. If you master the knowledge that makes you overcome weaknesses such as laziness and internal enemies such as lust, anger, greed, jealosy etc, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bagalamukhi personifies this knowledge. Most of her mantras ask to destroy enemies and so people foolishly think that she is the one who gives success in litigation and worship her for court cases. This is like going to a king to ask for two spoons of sugar for your milk. You go to the king for bigger things and a neighbor is enough for giving you two spoons of sugar. The enemies destroyed by Bagalamukhi are internal enemies and your own laziness. Remember, she is a mahavidya, i.e. a type of supreme knowledge that liberates you! > > > > Rahu is the spirit of material well-being within us. Rahu is the one who binds us to rebirth (this is why Saturn showing sins and Rahu showing rebirth are important in the death chart). The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives us worldly success in a dhaarmik way. If you master the knowledge that makes you materially successful in a dharmik way, you become successful and fulfil all your duties and debts in the world and eventually get liberation. Bhuvaneswari personifies this knowledge. > > > > Ketu is the spirit of of detachment and Vedic knowledge within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is the essense of Veda. If you master the knowledge that enables you to be in oneness with the supreme cosmic being, you eventually get liberation. Kamala (Mahaalakshmi) personifies this knowledge. According to saptashati rahasya also, Mahaalakshmi is the Aadyaa (the first One). She is the energy of supreme cosmic being. She divides Herself into 3 parts - Mahaakaali, Mahaalakshmi and MahaaSaraswati and they create Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and their consorts. Kamala represents the knowledge of the supreme cosmic energy of the supreme cosmic being. > > > > * * * > > > > One of the above is not superior to the other. Depending on your vasanas (mental conditioning), attitudes, likes and dislikes, depending on which aspect of your personality dominates over other aspects (the sinfulness and weaknesses? or the interest in learning things? or the spirit of fighting? or the sense of enjoyment? etc), one Mahavidya may be more suitable than others, as that knowledge uses your strong aspect and moulds that aspect to take you towards liberation. Do not compare them. Take the one that is most suitable, but do master that aspect. > > > > * * * > > > > There are some who do Dasa Mahavidya sadhana by doing one Mahavidya's mantra for one month, then switch to another and so on. They think that by doing each mahavidya mantra for a certain count, they " finish " the mahavidya sadhana. This is wrong and serves no useful purpose. Instead, one should pick any ONE mahavidya and succeed in that sadhana. The definition of success is that the knowledge represented by that deity becomes part of your common sense - you understand that knowledge and ooze that knowledge in your thoughts and actions. Whether you experience the deity as an external human-like form (who may impart some knowledge to you) or as an internal human-like form or as light or as sound is secondary, but the end result should be that the knowledge represented by Her should become common sense and second nature to you. One claiming visions or siddhi of a mahavidya but not showing the corresponding knowledge is bluffing. > > > > There are many people who do mahavidya sadhana and yet many others who claim to have siddhi in one or more mahavidyas, but very few who actually possess any of the ten mahavidyas. The area of mahavidya sadhana is one of the most ill-understood in today's age of ignorance and half-baked knowledge. It is easier to possess lower vidyas or lower shaktis, but mahavidyas are beyond the capability of understanding for most people. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > - > > " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan.iyer@> > > > > Friday, June 05, 2009 9:58 AM > > Re: Rama as God > > > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > > > Here's what the Mundamala Tantra states (not in correct itrans format): > > > > > > kriShnaastu kaalika saakshaat raamamoortischa taariNii | > > > vaaraaho bhuvana prokta nrsimho bharavishvarii || > > > dhoomavatii vamanaH syaat chinnaa bhrighukulodbhavaAH | > > > kamalaa matsyaroopaAH syaat koormastu bagalamukhii || > > > maatangii baudh ityeSHa Shodashii kalkiroopinii || > > > > > > Some of the reason for the mapping given is: > > > > > > Varaha as the boar that dug deep to uplift Mother Earth (Bhuvaneshvari) > > > Bhairavi is the burning tapas of that shoots forth and destroys all evil > > > but not to aspirants (like Narasimha deva being kind to Prahalada) > > > Parasurama cut the head of his mother Renuka (Chinnamasta) > > > Kamalatmika robed in the waters of consciousness is behind the Matsya the > > > primordial fish in the vivifying waters of creation. > > > Bagalamukhi is stifling force of Kurma avtara that lies still and > > > motionless withdrawing its limbs into itself. > > > Matangi is the Vaikhari Vak behind the avatara of Buddha who had come to > > > articulate the message of truth. > > > > > > Regards > > > Narayan > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Narayan, > > >> > > >> Todala tantra also maps Vishnu's ten incarnations to Dasa maha vidyas. > > >> Krishna is associated with Kaali there too. However, Shiva teaches > > >> Parvati > > >> in Todala tantra that Maatangi is Rama. Can you give the full list of > > >> mapping as given in Munda maalaa tantra? > > >> > > >> Best regards, > > >> Narasimha > > >> > > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > >> Spirituality: > > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > >> > > >> > > >> - > > >> " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan.iyer@> > > >> > > >> Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:07 AM > > >> Re: Rama as God > > >> > > >> > > >> > Namaste Rajarshiji, > > >> > > > >> >> As a corollary, can the path shown by Lord Rama be equated to the path > > >> >> of > > >> >> Dakshina Kali and that of Krishna as Vama Kali. > > >> > > > >> > Actually, Krishna is equated to Kali, as per the Munda Mala Tantra. > > >> > Krishna's beeja akshara is Kleem while Kali's beeja akshara is Kreem. > > >> > Whereas, Rama is equated to Taaraa, the Raama Naama is called the > > >> > Taaraka > > >> > mantra. Taaraa means crossing and she is the one who helps us > > >> > cross-over > > >> > from the material plane to the spiritual plane. Raama also had to cross > > >> > the ocean to get Sita. Esoterically, Raama is the soul, Lakshmana is > > >> > the > > >> > single-pointed concentration (lakshya-mana) and Sita is the Kundalini > > >> > Shakti. Raavana who stands for our material desires steals Sita and > > >> > takes > > >> > her away to Lanka, stands for how our material desires makes the > > >> > kundalini > > >> > remain in the mooladhara. The beeja akshara of Mooladhaara is Lam, > > >> > which > > >> > is what Lanka is. > > >> > > > >> > Munda Maala tantra has other parallels (equating Das Mahaavidya & Das > > >> > Avataara) too, some of which makes sense and some of them dont. > > >> > > > >> > Hope this helps. > > >> > > > >> > Thanks > > >> > Narayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Namaste friends, > Narasimha's list is his own invention... Parasara *equated* planets to dasavataras of Vishnu in Brihat Paaraasara Horaa Saastram, an authoritative Jyotish treatise. As you can see in the verse quoted by Narayan below, dasavataras of Vishnu are *equated* to dasa mahavidyas in Munda Maalaa Tantra, a respected tantra treatise regarding mahavidyas. For example, " kR^iShnastu kaalikaa saakShaat raamamUrtishca taariNI " literally means " Krishna is literally Kaalika and Rama is Taarini " . In Hindi, it can be translated as " Krishen ji to saakshaat Kaalika hain and Raam ji Taarini hain " . * * * If a and b are *equated* and also b and c are *equated*, it is logical to infer that a and c can be equated. It is mischievous to label this logical inference as my " own invention " . The philosophical justification of the mapping is mine, but the list is NOT my invention. Those who want to accept the list given by author Bhattacharya, who, according to Sarbani, does not quote a scriptural basis for his list, are free to do so. But it is mischievous to call what I gave as my " own invention " . Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > ??? ??? ????? > Dear Sarbani and Swee, Namaskar. > The verse that Narayan Iyer has given mentions nothing about the Graha > corresponding to the Mahavidya. The verse is otherwise mentioned in MANY > tantras and is a well known one which shows which Mahavidya corresponds > to which Vishnu Avatara. > Narasimha has merely inferred the Graha linkages and therefore the list > is his own research and is NOT supported by any treatise at all. > In fact everyone SHOULD be encouraged to follow the list given by Sri > Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, as he HAS given a direct list of Graha and > corresponding Mahavidya. Narasimha's list is his own invention... the > sloka mentions nothing about the graha linkages. > > Just because Parasara equates Sun to Rama we should think Sun should > also be Tarini as per the Mahavidya-Vishnu avatara link? This is not a > proper logic, in fact when we were taught the Agni Purana on the second > year of Jaimini Sutras, and the names of Vishnu therein, we saw a > completely different concept of mapping of the grahas to the name of the > avataras. > This mapping that Narasimha has suggested is simply not acceptable as it > is too simple an explanation, and doesn't bring out the real importance > as to how the Mahavidya and Vishnu Avatara are connected. I.e. how the > left foot corresponds to Tara and the right hand corresponds to Rama, > whilst the right foot is Kali and the left hand is Krishna and how the > hands and feet walk together in sync showing the Gati (feet) and karma > (hands) that are connected. This itself was taught to us on the first year. > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > ---------- > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > www: http://srigaruda.com > @: visti > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao skrev: > > > > > > Dear Swee, > > > > > If you do not mind, Munda literally means " demon " ?????????? - so the > > list > > > you have given below is not for the purpose of internal yagna but for > > > causing pain to others, which I believe is opposite of what you are > > trying > > > to teach. > > > > Munda does not have such a meaning at all. It means a head, > > especially a shaved head. It also symbolizes ego. Munda maala is a > > garland of heads and symbolizes the endless cycle of birth, death and > > rebirth. > > > > * * * > > > > Dear Sarbani, > > > > Good to hear from you! Please convey my regards to Sanjay ji. > > > > > Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, > > " Jyotish > > > Kalpa-Vriksha " has quoted from the tantra thus: > > > > > > <verse..see below> > > > > > > He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. > > > > Thank you for giving a classical reference to the SJC version of > > planet-Mahavidya mapping. Do you know when Sri Narayanchandra > > Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya lived? If he does not name the tantra that > > he " has quoted from " , that is not helpful. Munda Maala Tantra, on the > > other hand, is a respected Tantra text. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > > Spirituality: > > <> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa >, > > " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani@> wrote: > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, > > > > > > Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, > > " Jyotish > > > Kalpa-Vriksha " has quoted from the tantra thus: > > > > > > Divaakarasya Matangi Chandrasya Bhuvaneshvari > > > Kujasya Bagalaadevi Budhasya Parasundari. > > > Tara Brihaspateshchaiva Shukrasya Kamaltmika > > > Shanestu Dakshinakaali Grahanaamishtadevtaa.. > > > Chhinnamastaa Tathaa Raahoh Ketordhumavati Tathaa. > > > > > > He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. He has further > > proceeded > > > to construct a table called Sarbadukhaharachakramidam, where he has > > mapped > > > the planets with the Dashavatars and the Dasha Mahavidyas. It might > > be of > > > intereste to you. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/ <http://sarbani.com/>> > > http://sarbani.com <http://sarbani.com> > > > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/ > > <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>> > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com <http://sagittariuspublications.com> > > > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/ <http://sohamsa.com/>> > > http://sohamsa.com <http://sohamsa.com> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/ > > <http://.org/>> http://.org > > <http://.org> > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa >, Swee > > Chan <sweechan@> wrote: > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > If you do not mind, Munda literally means " demon " ?????????? - so the > > list > > > you have given below is not for the purpose of internal yagna but for > > > causing pain to others, which I believe is opposite of what you are > > trying > > > to teach. > > > > > > According to my Guru, Chhinnamasta is akin to Rahu, fierce and its vidya > > > quells the rebellious aspect of the enemy. Nothing to do with > > cleansing the > > > Indriya per se, but the prevailing external forces which we can map > > to our > > > horoscopes. Parasara of course teaches us that it is not one, but two or > > > more malefics that causes such pain. > > > > > > Baglamukhi is Mars, since she helps in lawsuits and contentious > > issues with > > > land. Both issues point to Mars as the karaka in learner jyotish. > > Whilst we > > > are at it, I am surprised you did not but her in the category of > > Venus, the > > > 2nd house lord of the natural horoscope and speech.since Bablamukhi is > > > number one for causing stambhan. > > > > > > You may enjoy reading the Narada Purana with its wonderful > > exposition on the > > > expansions of the shaktis and get a better idea on the same, since it is > > > evident that you have given a list off the cuff and off course. > > > > > > Thanks for reading. > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Swee > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa > > > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > > > 06 June 2009 22:54 > > > > > > Cc: vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology >; > > ; > > > sohamsa <sohamsa > > > > Planets and Dasa Mahavidyas > > > > > > Dear Narayan, > > > > > > Thanks for the verse from Munda Maalaa Tantra. Out of all > > planet-mahavidya > > > mappings I have seen, this is the most philosophically sound mapping. > > > > > > Sun - Taaraa - Raama > > > Moon - Kaali - Krishna > > > Mars - Bhairavi - Nrisimha > > > Mercury - Maatangi - Buddha > > > Jupiter - Dhumaavati - Vaamana > > > Venus - Chhinnamastaa - Bhaargava Rama > > > Saturn - Bagalamukhi - Koorma > > > Rahu - Bhuvaneswari - Varaaha > > > Ketu - Kamala - Matsya > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Vidya is knowledge. Mahavidya is supreme knowledge. Dasa mahavidyas > > are the > > > ten highest forms of knowledge that take us to moksha or liberation, > > > approaching from different angles. Other kinds of knowledge (e.g. > > > mathematics, physics, astronomy, astrology, grammar etc) do not > > liberate us. > > > But these ten kinds of knowledge liberate us. The deities (names and > > forms > > > described in books for ten mahavidyas) are personifications of those ten > > > types of supreme knowledge that liberate us. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Please note one thing here. Moksha means overcoming the maayaa of the > > > duality around us. Seeing some things as desirable, some as undesirable, > > > some as pleasurable, some as painful, some as beautiful, some as > > ugly etc is > > > what binds us. Overcoming the duality and seeing all as Brahman is > > > liberation or moksha. > > > > > > Different planets represent different aspects of our selves. The duality > > > around us and the way to overcome it seem different from different > > angles. > > > From the point of view of individual soul (Sun), this maayaa is > > something > > > that needs to be overcome by crossing and reaching the other end > > (supreme > > > cosmic soul). >From the point of view of mind (Moon), this duality is > > > something that clouds the vision and needs to be destroyed so that > > it cannot > > > tempt again. From the point of view of the intellect/discrimination/dhee > > > (Jupiter), it issomething that is non-existent anyway ( " so what was the > > > problem in the first place? " ), like shapes made of smoke. From the > > point of > > > view of initiative and energy within us (Mars), it is something that > > needs > > > to be fought hard and fearlessly. From the point of view of the learning > > > ability within us (Mercury), it is something that needs to be learnt and > > > understood fully so that we can overcome it. From the point of view of > > > enjoyment and happiness (Venus), it is something that needs to be > > accepted > > > and enjoyed and not something to fear or avoid ( " after all, all is > > Brahman. > > > Then why stay away from enjoyments? " ). And so on. > > > > > > But remember one important thing. Whichever approach is taken to > > overcoming > > > duality, the end result is the same. One first masters the approach. It > > > becomes part of one's common sense and thinking. One eventually > > overcomes > > > duality. One becomes self-realized and becomes liberated. That end > > result is > > > the same irrespective of the approach chosen. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Sun is the soul within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from > > delving > > > deep into this aspect is what makes one wade (tar=swim/wade/cross) > > the ocean > > > of delusion and get to the source. If you master the knowledge that > > helps > > > one view the world as an ocean that needs to be crossed to reach the > > > supreme, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. > > Taaraa > > > personifies this knowledge. > > > > > > Moon is the mind within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from > > > delving deep into this aspect is an understanding of attachments and > > > desires, their impermanence and how to kill them. If you master the > > > knowledge that kills all attachments and desires and gives perfect > > control > > > on the mind, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. > > > Kaali personifies this knowledge. > > > > > > Mars is the energy and initiative within us. The highest form of > > knowledge > > > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one > > fearlessness of > > > anything in the universe. If you master the knowledge that makes you > > utterly > > > fearless and you do not fear anything (including death or pain!) other > > > things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bhairavi > > personifies > > > this knowledge. > > > > > > Mercury is knowledge and learning ability within us. The highest form of > > > knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one > > > learning of various topics. If you master the knowledge that give you > > > mastery of all kinds of learning through logical and rational thinking, > > > other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Maatangi > > > personifies this knowledge. In fact, some people associate Maatangi with > > > Saraswati. Saraswati is also known as " Maatanga Kanya " . > > > > > > Jupiter is the intellect, wisdom and discrimination (dhee shakti) > > within us. > > > The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this > > aspect is > > > that all is delusion. The individual soul and individual mind and > > everything > > > they perceive is just an illusion. All that is there is Brahman. Any > > other > > > perceptions, of various good or bad things, are just a delusion, like > > > figures made of smoke. If you master the knowledge that makes your > > intellect > > > shine, you will realize that the entire world is a delusion and not > > deluded > > > by anything anymore. Then other things will follow and you > > eventually get > > > liberation. Dhumaavati personifies this knowledge. > > > > > > Venus is the spirit of enjoyment and bliss. The highest form of > > knowledge > > > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one egoless and > > > blissful. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly > > fearless and > > > you do not fear anything, including death or pain, other things will > > follow > > > and you eventually get liberation. Chhinnamasta personifies this > > knowledge. > > > She is depicted as a deity holding her own severed head, standing near a > > > naked couple in copulation and surrounded by associates who are drinking > > > wine. One mastering this knowledge need not stay away from any > > pleasures, > > > but one learns to see god even those pleasures. However, pleasure > > obtained > > > with an ego ( " *I* am enjoying this act or object " ) binds. The > > headless state > > > symbolizes egolessness. If one has overcome I-ness, pleasures are not > > > binding. One not thinking in terms of " *I* am enjoying " but having > > no sense > > > of " I " can live life without running away from any pleasures or > > undertaking > > > any austerities and yet become liberated. > > > > > > Saturn is the spirit of hard work within us. He also represents our > > > weaknesses and sins. The highest form of knowledge coming from > > delving deep > > > into this aspect is what makes us realize our internal enemies and > > destroy > > > them. If you master the knowledge that makes you overcome weaknesses > > such as > > > laziness and internal enemies such as lust, anger, greed, jealosy > > etc, other > > > things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bagalamukhi > > > personifies this knowledge. Most of her mantras ask to destroy > > enemies and > > > so people foolishly think that she is the one who gives success in > > > litigation and worship her for court cases. This is like going to a > > king to > > > ask for two spoons of sugar for your milk. You go to the king for bigger > > > things and a neighbor is enough for giving you two spoons of sugar. The > > > enemies destroyed by Bagalamukhi are internal enemies and your own > > laziness. > > > Remember, she is a mahavidya, i.e. a type of supreme knowledge that > > > liberates you! > > > > > > Rahu is the spirit of material well-being within us. Rahu is the one who > > > binds us to rebirth (this is why Saturn showing sins and Rahu showing > > > rebirth are important in the death chart). The highest form of knowledge > > > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives us worldly > > success > > > in a dhaarmik way. If you master the knowledge that makes you materially > > > successful in a dharmik way, you become successful and fulfil all your > > > duties and debts in the world and eventually get liberation. > > Bhuvaneswari > > > personifies this knowledge. > > > > > > Ketu is the spirit of of detachment and Vedic knowledge within us. The > > > highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect > > is the > > > essense of Veda. If you master the knowledge that enables you to be in > > > oneness with the supreme cosmic being, you eventually get > > liberation. Kamala > > > (Mahaalakshmi) personifies this knowledge. According to saptashati > > rahasya > > > also, Mahaalakshmi is the Aadyaa (the first One). She is the energy of > > > supreme cosmic being. She divides Herself into 3 parts - Mahaakaali, > > > Mahaalakshmi and MahaaSaraswati and they create Brahma, Vishnu, > > Shiva and > > > their consorts. Kamala represents the knowledge of the supreme > > cosmic energy > > > of the supreme cosmic being. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > One of the above is not superior to the other. Depending on your vasanas > > > (mental conditioning), attitudes, likes and dislikes, depending on which > > > aspect of your personality dominates over other aspects (the > > sinfulness and > > > weaknesses? or the interest in learning things? or the spirit of > > fighting? > > > or the sense of enjoyment? etc), one Mahavidya may be more suitable than > > > others, as that knowledge uses your strong aspect and moulds that > > aspect to > > > take you towards liberation. Do not compare them. Take the one that > > is most > > > suitable, but do master that aspect. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > There are some who do Dasa Mahavidya sadhana by doing one > > Mahavidya's mantra > > > for one month, then switch to another and so on. They think that by > > doing > > > each mahavidya mantra for a certain count, they " finish " the mahavidya > > > sadhana. This is wrong and serves no useful purpose. Instead, one should > > > pick any ONE mahavidya and succeed in that sadhana. The definition of > > > success is that the knowledge represented by that deity becomes part > > of your > > > common sense - you understand that knowledge and ooze that knowledge > > in your > > > thoughts and actions. Whether you experience the deity as an external > > > human-like form (who may impart some knowledge to you) or as an internal > > > human-like form or as light or as sound is secondary, but the end result > > > should be that the knowledge represented by Her should become common > > sense > > > and second nature to you. One claiming visions or siddhi of a > > mahavidya but > > > not showing the corresponding knowledge is bluffing. > > > > > > There are many people who do mahavidya sadhana and yet many others > > who claim > > > to have siddhi in one or more mahavidyas, but very few who actually > > possess > > > any of the ten mahavidyas. The area of mahavidya sadhana is one of > > the most > > > ill-understood in today's age of ignorance and half-baked knowledge. > > It is > > > easier to possess lower vidyas or lower shaktis, but mahavidyas are > > beyond > > > the capability of understanding for most people. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > > > Spirituality: < > > <>> > > > > > <> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <http://www.SriJagannath.org > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org>> > > > http://www.SriJagannath.org <http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > > > > > - > > > " naaraayana_iyer " < <narayan.iyer > > <narayan.iyer> > > > narayan.iyer@> > > > < < > > > > > > > > > Friday, June 05, 2009 9:58 AM > > > Re: Rama as God > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > > > > > Here's what the Mundamala Tantra states (not in correct itrans > > format): > > > > > > > > kriShnaastu kaalika saakshaat raamamoortischa taariNii | > > > > vaaraaho bhuvana prokta nrsimho bharavishvarii || > > > > dhoomavatii vamanaH syaat chinnaa bhrighukulodbhavaAH | > > > > kamalaa matsyaroopaAH syaat koormastu bagalamukhii || > > > > maatangii baudh ityeSHa Shodashii kalkiroopinii || > > > > > > > > Some of the reason for the mapping given is: > > > > > > > > Varaha as the boar that dug deep to uplift Mother Earth > > (Bhuvaneshvari) > > > > Bhairavi is the burning tapas of that shoots forth and destroys > > all evil > > > > but not to aspirants (like Narasimha deva being kind to Prahalada) > > > > Parasurama cut the head of his mother Renuka (Chinnamasta) > > > > Kamalatmika robed in the waters of consciousness is behind the > > Matsya the > > > > primordial fish in the vivifying waters of creation. > > > > Bagalamukhi is stifling force of Kurma avtara that lies still and > > > > motionless withdrawing its limbs into itself. > > > > Matangi is the Vaikhari Vak behind the avatara of Buddha who had > > come to > > > > articulate the message of truth. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Narayan > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > , > > " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dear Narayan, > > > >> > > > >> Todala tantra also maps Vishnu's ten incarnations to Dasa maha > > vidyas. > > > >> Krishna is associated with Kaali there too. However, Shiva teaches > > > >> Parvati > > > >> in Todala tantra that Maatangi is Rama. Can you give the full list of > > > >> mapping as given in Munda maalaa tantra? > > > >> > > > >> Best regards, > > > >> Narasimha > > > >> > > > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > > > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > > > >> Spirituality: < > > <>> > > > > > <> > > > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <http://www.SriJagannath.org > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org>> > > > http://www.SriJagannath.org <http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> - > > > >> " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan.iyer@> > > > >> < < > > > > > > > > > >> Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:07 AM > > > >> Re: Rama as God > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Namaste Rajarshiji, > > > >> > > > > >> >> As a corollary, can the path shown by Lord Rama be equated to > > the path > > > > > > >> >> of > > > >> >> Dakshina Kali and that of Krishna as Vama Kali. > > > >> > > > > >> > Actually, Krishna is equated to Kali, as per the Munda Mala Tantra. > > > >> > Krishna's beeja akshara is Kleem while Kali's beeja akshara is > > Kreem. > > > >> > Whereas, Rama is equated to Taaraa, the Raama Naama is called the > > > >> > Taaraka > > > >> > mantra. Taaraa means crossing and she is the one who helps us > > > >> > cross-over > > > >> > from the material plane to the spiritual plane. Raama also had > > to cross > > > >> > the ocean to get Sita. Esoterically, Raama is the soul, > > Lakshmana is > > > >> > the > > > >> > single-pointed concentration (lakshya-mana) and Sita is the > > Kundalini > > > >> > Shakti. Raavana who stands for our material desires steals Sita > > and > > > >> > takes > > > >> > her away to Lanka, stands for how our material desires makes the > > > >> > kundalini > > > >> > remain in the mooladhara. The beeja akshara of Mooladhaara is Lam, > > > >> > which > > > >> > is what Lanka is. > > > >> > > > > >> > Munda Maala tantra has other parallels (equating Das Mahaavidya > > & Das > > > >> > Avataara) too, some of which makes sense and some of them dont. > > > >> > > > > >> > Hope this helps. > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks > > > >> > Narayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Dear Swee, > If you do not mind, Munda literally means " demon " ?????????? - so the list > you have given below is not for the purpose of internal yagna but for > causing pain to others, which I believe is opposite of what you are trying > to teach. Munda does not have such a meaning at all. It means a head, especially a shaved head. It also symbolizes ego. Munda maala is a garland of heads and symbolizes the endless cycle of birth, death and rebirth. * * * Dear Sarbani, Good to hear from you! Please convey my regards to Sanjay ji. > Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, " Jyotish > Kalpa-Vriksha " has quoted from the tantra thus: > > <verse..see below> > > He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. Thank you for giving a classical reference to the SJC version of planet-Mahavidya mapping. Do you know when Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya lived? If he does not name the tantra that he " has quoted from " , that is not helpful. Munda Maala Tantra, on the other hand, is a respected Tantra text. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani wrote: > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Narasimha, > > Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, " Jyotish > Kalpa-Vriksha " has quoted from the tantra thus: > > Divaakarasya Matangi Chandrasya Bhuvaneshvari > Kujasya Bagalaadevi Budhasya Parasundari. > Tara Brihaspateshchaiva Shukrasya Kamaltmika > Shanestu Dakshinakaali Grahanaamishtadevtaa.. > Chhinnamastaa Tathaa Raahoh Ketordhumavati Tathaa. > > He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. He has further proceeded > to construct a table called Sarbadukhaharachakramidam, where he has mapped > the planets with the Dashavatars and the Dasha Mahavidyas. It might be of > intereste to you. > > Best Regards, > > Sarbani Rath > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Narasimha, > > Namaste > > If you do not mind, Munda literally means " demon " ?????????? - so the list > you have given below is not for the purpose of internal yagna but for > causing pain to others, which I believe is opposite of what you are trying > to teach. > > According to my Guru, Chhinnamasta is akin to Rahu, fierce and its vidya > quells the rebellious aspect of the enemy. Nothing to do with cleansing the > Indriya per se, but the prevailing external forces which we can map to our > horoscopes. Parasara of course teaches us that it is not one, but two or > more malefics that causes such pain. > > Baglamukhi is Mars, since she helps in lawsuits and contentious issues with > land. Both issues point to Mars as the karaka in learner jyotish. Whilst we > are at it, I am surprised you did not but her in the category of Venus, the > 2nd house lord of the natural horoscope and speech.since Bablamukhi is > number one for causing stambhan. > > You may enjoy reading the Narada Purana with its wonderful exposition on the > expansions of the shaktis and get a better idea on the same, since it is > evident that you have given a list off the cuff and off course. > > Thanks for reading. > > Love, > > Swee > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > 06 June 2009 22:54 > > Cc: vedic astrology ; ; > sohamsa > Planets and Dasa Mahavidyas > > Dear Narayan, > > Thanks for the verse from Munda Maalaa Tantra. Out of all planet-mahavidya > mappings I have seen, this is the most philosophically sound mapping. > > Sun - Taaraa - Raama > Moon - Kaali - Krishna > Mars - Bhairavi - Nrisimha > Mercury - Maatangi - Buddha > Jupiter - Dhumaavati - Vaamana > Venus - Chhinnamastaa - Bhaargava Rama > Saturn - Bagalamukhi - Koorma > Rahu - Bhuvaneswari - Varaaha > Ketu - Kamala - Matsya > > * * * > > Vidya is knowledge. Mahavidya is supreme knowledge. Dasa mahavidyas are the > ten highest forms of knowledge that take us to moksha or liberation, > approaching from different angles. Other kinds of knowledge (e.g. > mathematics, physics, astronomy, astrology, grammar etc) do not liberate us. > But these ten kinds of knowledge liberate us. The deities (names and forms > described in books for ten mahavidyas) are personifications of those ten > types of supreme knowledge that liberate us. > > * * * > > Please note one thing here. Moksha means overcoming the maayaa of the > duality around us. Seeing some things as desirable, some as undesirable, > some as pleasurable, some as painful, some as beautiful, some as ugly etc is > what binds us. Overcoming the duality and seeing all as Brahman is > liberation or moksha. > > Different planets represent different aspects of our selves. The duality > around us and the way to overcome it seem different from different angles. > From the point of view of individual soul (Sun), this maayaa is something > that needs to be overcome by crossing and reaching the other end (supreme > cosmic soul). From the point of view of mind (Moon), this duality is > something that clouds the vision and needs to be destroyed so that it cannot > tempt again. From the point of view of the intellect/discrimination/dhee > (Jupiter), it issomething that is non-existent anyway ( " so what was the > problem in the first place? " ), like shapes made of smoke. From the point of > view of initiative and energy within us (Mars), it is something that needs > to be fought hard and fearlessly. From the point of view of the learning > ability within us (Mercury), it is something that needs to be learnt and > understood fully so that we can overcome it. From the point of view of > enjoyment and happiness (Venus), it is something that needs to be accepted > and enjoyed and not something to fear or avoid ( " after all, all is Brahman. > Then why stay away from enjoyments? " ). And so on. > > But remember one important thing. Whichever approach is taken to overcoming > duality, the end result is the same. One first masters the approach. It > becomes part of one's common sense and thinking. One eventually overcomes > duality. One becomes self-realized and becomes liberated. That end result is > the same irrespective of the approach chosen. > > * * * > > Sun is the soul within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving > deep into this aspect is what makes one wade (tar=swim/wade/cross) the ocean > of delusion and get to the source. If you master the knowledge that helps > one view the world as an ocean that needs to be crossed to reach the > supreme, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Taaraa > personifies this knowledge. > > Moon is the mind within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from > delving deep into this aspect is an understanding of attachments and > desires, their impermanence and how to kill them. If you master the > knowledge that kills all attachments and desires and gives perfect control > on the mind, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. > Kaali personifies this knowledge. > > Mars is the energy and initiative within us. The highest form of knowledge > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one fearlessness of > anything in the universe. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly > fearless and you do not fear anything (including death or pain!) other > things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bhairavi personifies > this knowledge. > > Mercury is knowledge and learning ability within us. The highest form of > knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one > learning of various topics. If you master the knowledge that give you > mastery of all kinds of learning through logical and rational thinking, > other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Maatangi > personifies this knowledge. In fact, some people associate Maatangi with > Saraswati. Saraswati is also known as " Maatanga Kanya " . > > Jupiter is the intellect, wisdom and discrimination (dhee shakti) within us. > The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is > that all is delusion. The individual soul and individual mind and everything > they perceive is just an illusion. All that is there is Brahman. Any other > perceptions, of various good or bad things, are just a delusion, like > figures made of smoke. If you master the knowledge that makes your intellect > shine, you will realize that the entire world is a delusion and not deluded > by anything anymore. Then other things will follow and you eventually get > liberation. Dhumaavati personifies this knowledge. > > Venus is the spirit of enjoyment and bliss. The highest form of knowledge > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one egoless and > blissful. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly fearless and > you do not fear anything, including death or pain, other things will follow > and you eventually get liberation. Chhinnamasta personifies this knowledge. > She is depicted as a deity holding her own severed head, standing near a > naked couple in copulation and surrounded by associates who are drinking > wine. One mastering this knowledge need not stay away from any pleasures, > but one learns to see god even those pleasures. However, pleasure obtained > with an ego ( " *I* am enjoying this act or object " ) binds. The headless state > symbolizes egolessness. If one has overcome I-ness, pleasures are not > binding. One not thinking in terms of " *I* am enjoying " but having no sense > of " I " can live life without running away from any pleasures or undertaking > any austerities and yet become liberated. > > Saturn is the spirit of hard work within us. He also represents our > weaknesses and sins. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep > into this aspect is what makes us realize our internal enemies and destroy > them. If you master the knowledge that makes you overcome weaknesses such as > laziness and internal enemies such as lust, anger, greed, jealosy etc, other > things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bagalamukhi > personifies this knowledge. Most of her mantras ask to destroy enemies and > so people foolishly think that she is the one who gives success in > litigation and worship her for court cases. This is like going to a king to > ask for two spoons of sugar for your milk. You go to the king for bigger > things and a neighbor is enough for giving you two spoons of sugar. The > enemies destroyed by Bagalamukhi are internal enemies and your own laziness. > Remember, she is a mahavidya, i.e. a type of supreme knowledge that > liberates you! > > Rahu is the spirit of material well-being within us. Rahu is the one who > binds us to rebirth (this is why Saturn showing sins and Rahu showing > rebirth are important in the death chart). The highest form of knowledge > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives us worldly success > in a dhaarmik way. If you master the knowledge that makes you materially > successful in a dharmik way, you become successful and fulfil all your > duties and debts in the world and eventually get liberation. Bhuvaneswari > personifies this knowledge. > > Ketu is the spirit of of detachment and Vedic knowledge within us. The > highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is the > essense of Veda. If you master the knowledge that enables you to be in > oneness with the supreme cosmic being, you eventually get liberation. Kamala > (Mahaalakshmi) personifies this knowledge. According to saptashati rahasya > also, Mahaalakshmi is the Aadyaa (the first One). She is the energy of > supreme cosmic being. She divides Herself into 3 parts - Mahaakaali, > Mahaalakshmi and MahaaSaraswati and they create Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and > their consorts. Kamala represents the knowledge of the supreme cosmic energy > of the supreme cosmic being. > > * * * > > One of the above is not superior to the other. Depending on your vasanas > (mental conditioning), attitudes, likes and dislikes, depending on which > aspect of your personality dominates over other aspects (the sinfulness and > weaknesses? or the interest in learning things? or the spirit of fighting? > or the sense of enjoyment? etc), one Mahavidya may be more suitable than > others, as that knowledge uses your strong aspect and moulds that aspect to > take you towards liberation. Do not compare them. Take the one that is most > suitable, but do master that aspect. > > * * * > > There are some who do Dasa Mahavidya sadhana by doing one Mahavidya's mantra > for one month, then switch to another and so on. They think that by doing > each mahavidya mantra for a certain count, they " finish " the mahavidya > sadhana. This is wrong and serves no useful purpose. Instead, one should > pick any ONE mahavidya and succeed in that sadhana. The definition of > success is that the knowledge represented by that deity becomes part of your > common sense - you understand that knowledge and ooze that knowledge in your > thoughts and actions. Whether you experience the deity as an external > human-like form (who may impart some knowledge to you) or as an internal > human-like form or as light or as sound is secondary, but the end result > should be that the knowledge represented by Her should become common sense > and second nature to you. One claiming visions or siddhi of a mahavidya but > not showing the corresponding knowledge is bluffing. > > There are many people who do mahavidya sadhana and yet many others who claim > to have siddhi in one or more mahavidyas, but very few who actually possess > any of the ten mahavidyas. The area of mahavidya sadhana is one of the most > ill-understood in today's age of ignorance and half-baked knowledge. It is > easier to possess lower vidyas or lower shaktis, but mahavidyas are beyond > the capability of understanding for most people. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: <> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <http://www.SriJagannath.org> > http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > - > " naaraayana_iyer " < <narayan.iyer > narayan.iyer > < > > Friday, June 05, 2009 9:58 AM > Re: Rama as God > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > Here's what the Mundamala Tantra states (not in correct itrans format): > > > > kriShnaastu kaalika saakshaat raamamoortischa taariNii | > > vaaraaho bhuvana prokta nrsimho bharavishvarii || > > dhoomavatii vamanaH syaat chinnaa bhrighukulodbhavaAH | > > kamalaa matsyaroopaAH syaat koormastu bagalamukhii || > > maatangii baudh ityeSHa Shodashii kalkiroopinii || > > > > Some of the reason for the mapping given is: > > > > Varaha as the boar that dug deep to uplift Mother Earth (Bhuvaneshvari) > > Bhairavi is the burning tapas of that shoots forth and destroys all evil > > but not to aspirants (like Narasimha deva being kind to Prahalada) > > Parasurama cut the head of his mother Renuka (Chinnamasta) > > Kamalatmika robed in the waters of consciousness is behind the Matsya the > > primordial fish in the vivifying waters of creation. > > Bagalamukhi is stifling force of Kurma avtara that lies still and > > motionless withdrawing its limbs into itself. > > Matangi is the Vaikhari Vak behind the avatara of Buddha who had come to > > articulate the message of truth. > > > > Regards > > Narayan > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Narayan, > >> > >> Todala tantra also maps Vishnu's ten incarnations to Dasa maha vidyas. > >> Krishna is associated with Kaali there too. However, Shiva teaches > >> Parvati > >> in Todala tantra that Maatangi is Rama. Can you give the full list of > >> mapping as given in Munda maalaa tantra? > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Narasimha > >> > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > >> Spirituality: <> > > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <http://www.SriJagannath.org> > http://www.SriJagannath.org > >> > >> > >> - > >> " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan.iyer@> > >> < > > >> Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:07 AM > >> Re: Rama as God > >> > >> > >> > Namaste Rajarshiji, > >> > > >> >> As a corollary, can the path shown by Lord Rama be equated to the path > > >> >> of > >> >> Dakshina Kali and that of Krishna as Vama Kali. > >> > > >> > Actually, Krishna is equated to Kali, as per the Munda Mala Tantra. > >> > Krishna's beeja akshara is Kleem while Kali's beeja akshara is Kreem. > >> > Whereas, Rama is equated to Taaraa, the Raama Naama is called the > >> > Taaraka > >> > mantra. Taaraa means crossing and she is the one who helps us > >> > cross-over > >> > from the material plane to the spiritual plane. Raama also had to cross > >> > the ocean to get Sita. Esoterically, Raama is the soul, Lakshmana is > >> > the > >> > single-pointed concentration (lakshya-mana) and Sita is the Kundalini > >> > Shakti. Raavana who stands for our material desires steals Sita and > >> > takes > >> > her away to Lanka, stands for how our material desires makes the > >> > kundalini > >> > remain in the mooladhara. The beeja akshara of Mooladhaara is Lam, > >> > which > >> > is what Lanka is. > >> > > >> > Munda Maala tantra has other parallels (equating Das Mahaavidya & Das > >> > Avataara) too, some of which makes sense and some of them dont. > >> > > >> > Hope this helps. > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > Narayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Namaste friends, > Narasimha's list is his own invention... Parasara *equated* planets to dasavataras of Vishnu in Brihat Paaraasara Horaa Saastram, an authoritative Jyotish treatise. As you can see in the verse quoted by Narayan below, dasavataras of Vishnu are *equated* to dasa mahavidyas in Munda Maalaa Tantra, a respected tantra treatise regarding mahavidyas. For example, " kR^iShnastu kaalikaa saakShaat raamamUrtishca taariNI " literally means " Krishna is literally Kaalika and Rama is Taarini " . In Hindi, it can be translated as " Krishen ji to saakshaat Kaalika hain and Raam ji Taarini hain " . * * * If a and b are *equated* and also b and c are *equated*, it is logical to infer that a and c can be equated. It is mischievous to label this logical inference as my " own invention " . The philosophical justification of the mapping is mine, but the list is NOT my invention. Those who want to accept the list given by author Bhattacharya, who, according to Sarbani, does not quote a scriptural basis for his list, are free to do so. But it is mischievous to call what I gave as my " own invention " . Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > ??? ??? ????? > Dear Sarbani and Swee, Namaskar. > The verse that Narayan Iyer has given mentions nothing about the Graha > corresponding to the Mahavidya. The verse is otherwise mentioned in MANY > tantras and is a well known one which shows which Mahavidya corresponds > to which Vishnu Avatara. > Narasimha has merely inferred the Graha linkages and therefore the list > is his own research and is NOT supported by any treatise at all. > In fact everyone SHOULD be encouraged to follow the list given by Sri > Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, as he HAS given a direct list of Graha and > corresponding Mahavidya. Narasimha's list is his own invention... the > sloka mentions nothing about the graha linkages. > > Just because Parasara equates Sun to Rama we should think Sun should > also be Tarini as per the Mahavidya-Vishnu avatara link? This is not a > proper logic, in fact when we were taught the Agni Purana on the second > year of Jaimini Sutras, and the names of Vishnu therein, we saw a > completely different concept of mapping of the grahas to the name of the > avataras. > This mapping that Narasimha has suggested is simply not acceptable as it > is too simple an explanation, and doesn't bring out the real importance > as to how the Mahavidya and Vishnu Avatara are connected. I.e. how the > left foot corresponds to Tara and the right hand corresponds to Rama, > whilst the right foot is Kali and the left hand is Krishna and how the > hands and feet walk together in sync showing the Gati (feet) and karma > (hands) that are connected. This itself was taught to us on the first year. > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > ---------- > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > www: http://srigaruda.com > @: visti > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao skrev: > > > > > > Dear Swee, > > > > > If you do not mind, Munda literally means " demon " ?????????? - so the > > list > > > you have given below is not for the purpose of internal yagna but for > > > causing pain to others, which I believe is opposite of what you are > > trying > > > to teach. > > > > Munda does not have such a meaning at all. It means a head, > > especially a shaved head. It also symbolizes ego. Munda maala is a > > garland of heads and symbolizes the endless cycle of birth, death and > > rebirth. > > > > * * * > > > > Dear Sarbani, > > > > Good to hear from you! Please convey my regards to Sanjay ji. > > > > > Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, > > " Jyotish > > > Kalpa-Vriksha " has quoted from the tantra thus: > > > > > > <verse..see below> > > > > > > He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. > > > > Thank you for giving a classical reference to the SJC version of > > planet-Mahavidya mapping. Do you know when Sri Narayanchandra > > Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya lived? If he does not name the tantra that > > he " has quoted from " , that is not helpful. Munda Maala Tantra, on the > > other hand, is a respected Tantra text. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > > Spirituality: > > <> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa >, > > " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani@> wrote: > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, > > > > > > Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, > > " Jyotish > > > Kalpa-Vriksha " has quoted from the tantra thus: > > > > > > Divaakarasya Matangi Chandrasya Bhuvaneshvari > > > Kujasya Bagalaadevi Budhasya Parasundari. > > > Tara Brihaspateshchaiva Shukrasya Kamaltmika > > > Shanestu Dakshinakaali Grahanaamishtadevtaa.. > > > Chhinnamastaa Tathaa Raahoh Ketordhumavati Tathaa. > > > > > > He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. He has further > > proceeded > > > to construct a table called Sarbadukhaharachakramidam, where he has > > mapped > > > the planets with the Dashavatars and the Dasha Mahavidyas. It might > > be of > > > intereste to you. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/ <http://sarbani.com/>> > > http://sarbani.com <http://sarbani.com> > > > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/ > > <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>> > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com <http://sagittariuspublications.com> > > > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/ <http://sohamsa.com/>> > > http://sohamsa.com <http://sohamsa.com> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/ > > <http://.org/>> http://.org > > <http://.org> > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa >, Swee > > Chan <sweechan@> wrote: > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > If you do not mind, Munda literally means " demon " ?????????? - so the > > list > > > you have given below is not for the purpose of internal yagna but for > > > causing pain to others, which I believe is opposite of what you are > > trying > > > to teach. > > > > > > According to my Guru, Chhinnamasta is akin to Rahu, fierce and its vidya > > > quells the rebellious aspect of the enemy. Nothing to do with > > cleansing the > > > Indriya per se, but the prevailing external forces which we can map > > to our > > > horoscopes. Parasara of course teaches us that it is not one, but two or > > > more malefics that causes such pain. > > > > > > Baglamukhi is Mars, since she helps in lawsuits and contentious > > issues with > > > land. Both issues point to Mars as the karaka in learner jyotish. > > Whilst we > > > are at it, I am surprised you did not but her in the category of > > Venus, the > > > 2nd house lord of the natural horoscope and speech.since Bablamukhi is > > > number one for causing stambhan. > > > > > > You may enjoy reading the Narada Purana with its wonderful > > exposition on the > > > expansions of the shaktis and get a better idea on the same, since it is > > > evident that you have given a list off the cuff and off course. > > > > > > Thanks for reading. > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Swee > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa > > > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > > > 06 June 2009 22:54 > > > > > > Cc: vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology >; > > ; > > > sohamsa <sohamsa > > > > Planets and Dasa Mahavidyas > > > > > > Dear Narayan, > > > > > > Thanks for the verse from Munda Maalaa Tantra. Out of all > > planet-mahavidya > > > mappings I have seen, this is the most philosophically sound mapping. > > > > > > Sun - Taaraa - Raama > > > Moon - Kaali - Krishna > > > Mars - Bhairavi - Nrisimha > > > Mercury - Maatangi - Buddha > > > Jupiter - Dhumaavati - Vaamana > > > Venus - Chhinnamastaa - Bhaargava Rama > > > Saturn - Bagalamukhi - Koorma > > > Rahu - Bhuvaneswari - Varaaha > > > Ketu - Kamala - Matsya > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Vidya is knowledge. Mahavidya is supreme knowledge. Dasa mahavidyas > > are the > > > ten highest forms of knowledge that take us to moksha or liberation, > > > approaching from different angles. Other kinds of knowledge (e.g. > > > mathematics, physics, astronomy, astrology, grammar etc) do not > > liberate us. > > > But these ten kinds of knowledge liberate us. The deities (names and > > forms > > > described in books for ten mahavidyas) are personifications of those ten > > > types of supreme knowledge that liberate us. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Please note one thing here. Moksha means overcoming the maayaa of the > > > duality around us. Seeing some things as desirable, some as undesirable, > > > some as pleasurable, some as painful, some as beautiful, some as > > ugly etc is > > > what binds us. Overcoming the duality and seeing all as Brahman is > > > liberation or moksha. > > > > > > Different planets represent different aspects of our selves. The duality > > > around us and the way to overcome it seem different from different > > angles. > > > From the point of view of individual soul (Sun), this maayaa is > > something > > > that needs to be overcome by crossing and reaching the other end > > (supreme > > > cosmic soul). >From the point of view of mind (Moon), this duality is > > > something that clouds the vision and needs to be destroyed so that > > it cannot > > > tempt again. From the point of view of the intellect/discrimination/dhee > > > (Jupiter), it issomething that is non-existent anyway ( " so what was the > > > problem in the first place? " ), like shapes made of smoke. From the > > point of > > > view of initiative and energy within us (Mars), it is something that > > needs > > > to be fought hard and fearlessly. From the point of view of the learning > > > ability within us (Mercury), it is something that needs to be learnt and > > > understood fully so that we can overcome it. From the point of view of > > > enjoyment and happiness (Venus), it is something that needs to be > > accepted > > > and enjoyed and not something to fear or avoid ( " after all, all is > > Brahman. > > > Then why stay away from enjoyments? " ). And so on. > > > > > > But remember one important thing. Whichever approach is taken to > > overcoming > > > duality, the end result is the same. One first masters the approach. It > > > becomes part of one's common sense and thinking. One eventually > > overcomes > > > duality. One becomes self-realized and becomes liberated. That end > > result is > > > the same irrespective of the approach chosen. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Sun is the soul within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from > > delving > > > deep into this aspect is what makes one wade (tar=swim/wade/cross) > > the ocean > > > of delusion and get to the source. If you master the knowledge that > > helps > > > one view the world as an ocean that needs to be crossed to reach the > > > supreme, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. > > Taaraa > > > personifies this knowledge. > > > > > > Moon is the mind within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from > > > delving deep into this aspect is an understanding of attachments and > > > desires, their impermanence and how to kill them. If you master the > > > knowledge that kills all attachments and desires and gives perfect > > control > > > on the mind, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. > > > Kaali personifies this knowledge. > > > > > > Mars is the energy and initiative within us. The highest form of > > knowledge > > > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one > > fearlessness of > > > anything in the universe. If you master the knowledge that makes you > > utterly > > > fearless and you do not fear anything (including death or pain!) other > > > things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bhairavi > > personifies > > > this knowledge. > > > > > > Mercury is knowledge and learning ability within us. The highest form of > > > knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one > > > learning of various topics. If you master the knowledge that give you > > > mastery of all kinds of learning through logical and rational thinking, > > > other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Maatangi > > > personifies this knowledge. In fact, some people associate Maatangi with > > > Saraswati. Saraswati is also known as " Maatanga Kanya " . > > > > > > Jupiter is the intellect, wisdom and discrimination (dhee shakti) > > within us. > > > The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this > > aspect is > > > that all is delusion. The individual soul and individual mind and > > everything > > > they perceive is just an illusion. All that is there is Brahman. Any > > other > > > perceptions, of various good or bad things, are just a delusion, like > > > figures made of smoke. If you master the knowledge that makes your > > intellect > > > shine, you will realize that the entire world is a delusion and not > > deluded > > > by anything anymore. Then other things will follow and you > > eventually get > > > liberation. Dhumaavati personifies this knowledge. > > > > > > Venus is the spirit of enjoyment and bliss. The highest form of > > knowledge > > > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one egoless and > > > blissful. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly > > fearless and > > > you do not fear anything, including death or pain, other things will > > follow > > > and you eventually get liberation. Chhinnamasta personifies this > > knowledge. > > > She is depicted as a deity holding her own severed head, standing near a > > > naked couple in copulation and surrounded by associates who are drinking > > > wine. One mastering this knowledge need not stay away from any > > pleasures, > > > but one learns to see god even those pleasures. However, pleasure > > obtained > > > with an ego ( " *I* am enjoying this act or object " ) binds. The > > headless state > > > symbolizes egolessness. If one has overcome I-ness, pleasures are not > > > binding. One not thinking in terms of " *I* am enjoying " but having > > no sense > > > of " I " can live life without running away from any pleasures or > > undertaking > > > any austerities and yet become liberated. > > > > > > Saturn is the spirit of hard work within us. He also represents our > > > weaknesses and sins. The highest form of knowledge coming from > > delving deep > > > into this aspect is what makes us realize our internal enemies and > > destroy > > > them. If you master the knowledge that makes you overcome weaknesses > > such as > > > laziness and internal enemies such as lust, anger, greed, jealosy > > etc, other > > > things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bagalamukhi > > > personifies this knowledge. Most of her mantras ask to destroy > > enemies and > > > so people foolishly think that she is the one who gives success in > > > litigation and worship her for court cases. This is like going to a > > king to > > > ask for two spoons of sugar for your milk. You go to the king for bigger > > > things and a neighbor is enough for giving you two spoons of sugar. The > > > enemies destroyed by Bagalamukhi are internal enemies and your own > > laziness. > > > Remember, she is a mahavidya, i.e. a type of supreme knowledge that > > > liberates you! > > > > > > Rahu is the spirit of material well-being within us. Rahu is the one who > > > binds us to rebirth (this is why Saturn showing sins and Rahu showing > > > rebirth are important in the death chart). The highest form of knowledge > > > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives us worldly > > success > > > in a dhaarmik way. If you master the knowledge that makes you materially > > > successful in a dharmik way, you become successful and fulfil all your > > > duties and debts in the world and eventually get liberation. > > Bhuvaneswari > > > personifies this knowledge. > > > > > > Ketu is the spirit of of detachment and Vedic knowledge within us. The > > > highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect > > is the > > > essense of Veda. If you master the knowledge that enables you to be in > > > oneness with the supreme cosmic being, you eventually get > > liberation. Kamala > > > (Mahaalakshmi) personifies this knowledge. According to saptashati > > rahasya > > > also, Mahaalakshmi is the Aadyaa (the first One). She is the energy of > > > supreme cosmic being. She divides Herself into 3 parts - Mahaakaali, > > > Mahaalakshmi and MahaaSaraswati and they create Brahma, Vishnu, > > Shiva and > > > their consorts. Kamala represents the knowledge of the supreme > > cosmic energy > > > of the supreme cosmic being. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > One of the above is not superior to the other. Depending on your vasanas > > > (mental conditioning), attitudes, likes and dislikes, depending on which > > > aspect of your personality dominates over other aspects (the > > sinfulness and > > > weaknesses? or the interest in learning things? or the spirit of > > fighting? > > > or the sense of enjoyment? etc), one Mahavidya may be more suitable than > > > others, as that knowledge uses your strong aspect and moulds that > > aspect to > > > take you towards liberation. Do not compare them. Take the one that > > is most > > > suitable, but do master that aspect. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > There are some who do Dasa Mahavidya sadhana by doing one > > Mahavidya's mantra > > > for one month, then switch to another and so on. They think that by > > doing > > > each mahavidya mantra for a certain count, they " finish " the mahavidya > > > sadhana. This is wrong and serves no useful purpose. Instead, one should > > > pick any ONE mahavidya and succeed in that sadhana. The definition of > > > success is that the knowledge represented by that deity becomes part > > of your > > > common sense - you understand that knowledge and ooze that knowledge > > in your > > > thoughts and actions. Whether you experience the deity as an external > > > human-like form (who may impart some knowledge to you) or as an internal > > > human-like form or as light or as sound is secondary, but the end result > > > should be that the knowledge represented by Her should become common > > sense > > > and second nature to you. One claiming visions or siddhi of a > > mahavidya but > > > not showing the corresponding knowledge is bluffing. > > > > > > There are many people who do mahavidya sadhana and yet many others > > who claim > > > to have siddhi in one or more mahavidyas, but very few who actually > > possess > > > any of the ten mahavidyas. The area of mahavidya sadhana is one of > > the most > > > ill-understood in today's age of ignorance and half-baked knowledge. > > It is > > > easier to possess lower vidyas or lower shaktis, but mahavidyas are > > beyond > > > the capability of understanding for most people. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > > > Spirituality: < > > <>> > > > > > <> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <http://www.SriJagannath.org > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org>> > > > http://www.SriJagannath.org <http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > > > > > - > > > " naaraayana_iyer " < <narayan.iyer > > <narayan.iyer> > > > narayan.iyer@> > > > < < > > > > > > > > > Friday, June 05, 2009 9:58 AM > > > Re: Rama as God > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > > > > > Here's what the Mundamala Tantra states (not in correct itrans > > format): > > > > > > > > kriShnaastu kaalika saakshaat raamamoortischa taariNii | > > > > vaaraaho bhuvana prokta nrsimho bharavishvarii || > > > > dhoomavatii vamanaH syaat chinnaa bhrighukulodbhavaAH | > > > > kamalaa matsyaroopaAH syaat koormastu bagalamukhii || > > > > maatangii baudh ityeSHa Shodashii kalkiroopinii || > > > > > > > > Some of the reason for the mapping given is: > > > > > > > > Varaha as the boar that dug deep to uplift Mother Earth > > (Bhuvaneshvari) > > > > Bhairavi is the burning tapas of that shoots forth and destroys > > all evil > > > > but not to aspirants (like Narasimha deva being kind to Prahalada) > > > > Parasurama cut the head of his mother Renuka (Chinnamasta) > > > > Kamalatmika robed in the waters of consciousness is behind the > > Matsya the > > > > primordial fish in the vivifying waters of creation. > > > > Bagalamukhi is stifling force of Kurma avtara that lies still and > > > > motionless withdrawing its limbs into itself. > > > > Matangi is the Vaikhari Vak behind the avatara of Buddha who had > > come to > > > > articulate the message of truth. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Narayan > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > , > > " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dear Narayan, > > > >> > > > >> Todala tantra also maps Vishnu's ten incarnations to Dasa maha > > vidyas. > > > >> Krishna is associated with Kaali there too. However, Shiva teaches > > > >> Parvati > > > >> in Todala tantra that Maatangi is Rama. Can you give the full list of > > > >> mapping as given in Munda maalaa tantra? > > > >> > > > >> Best regards, > > > >> Narasimha > > > >> > > > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > > > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > > > >> Spirituality: < > > <>> > > > > > <> > > > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <http://www.SriJagannath.org > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org>> > > > http://www.SriJagannath.org <http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> - > > > >> " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan.iyer@> > > > >> < < > > > > > > > > > >> Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:07 AM > > > >> Re: Rama as God > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Namaste Rajarshiji, > > > >> > > > > >> >> As a corollary, can the path shown by Lord Rama be equated to > > the path > > > > > > >> >> of > > > >> >> Dakshina Kali and that of Krishna as Vama Kali. > > > >> > > > > >> > Actually, Krishna is equated to Kali, as per the Munda Mala Tantra. > > > >> > Krishna's beeja akshara is Kleem while Kali's beeja akshara is > > Kreem. > > > >> > Whereas, Rama is equated to Taaraa, the Raama Naama is called the > > > >> > Taaraka > > > >> > mantra. Taaraa means crossing and she is the one who helps us > > > >> > cross-over > > > >> > from the material plane to the spiritual plane. Raama also had > > to cross > > > >> > the ocean to get Sita. Esoterically, Raama is the soul, > > Lakshmana is > > > >> > the > > > >> > single-pointed concentration (lakshya-mana) and Sita is the > > Kundalini > > > >> > Shakti. Raavana who stands for our material desires steals Sita > > and > > > >> > takes > > > >> > her away to Lanka, stands for how our material desires makes the > > > >> > kundalini > > > >> > remain in the mooladhara. The beeja akshara of Mooladhaara is Lam, > > > >> > which > > > >> > is what Lanka is. > > > >> > > > > >> > Munda Maala tantra has other parallels (equating Das Mahaavidya > > & Das > > > >> > Avataara) too, some of which makes sense and some of them dont. > > > >> > > > > >> > Hope this helps. > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks > > > >> > Narayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Namaste,I read else where in Panchanga Ganana sastra that Rama,Krishna,Narasimha,Bouddha,Vamana,Parashurama,Kurma,Varaha and Mathsya are respectively signify the "ANTHARYAMI ROOPA" of planets Surya,Soma,Kuja,Budha,Guru,Shukra,Shani,Rahu and Kethu.Regards,D.Sathiyanarayana Gupta--- On Sun, 6/7/09, Visti Larsen <visti wrote:Visti Larsen <vistiRe: Re: Planets and Dasa Mahavidyassohamsa , , jaiminisutra , jaiminiupadesa Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 4:31 PM हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Sarbani and Swee, Namaskar. The verse that Narayan Iyer has given mentions nothing about the Graha corresponding to the Mahavidya. The verse is otherwise mentioned in MANY tantras and is a well known one which shows which Mahavidya corresponds to which Vishnu Avatara. Narasimha has merely inferred the Graha linkages and therefore the list is his own research and is NOT supported by any treatise at all. In fact everyone SHOULD be encouraged to follow the list given by Sri Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, as he HAS given a direct list of Graha and corresponding Mahavidya. Narasimha's list is his own invention... the sloka mentions nothing about the graha linkages. Just because Parasara equates Sun to Rama we should think Sun should also be Tarini as per the Mahavidya-Vishnu avatara link? This is not a proper logic, in fact when we were taught the Agni Purana on the second year of Jaimini Sutras, and the names of Vishnu therein, we saw a completely different concept of mapping of the grahas to the name of the avataras. This mapping that Narasimha has suggested is simply not acceptable as it is too simple an explanation, and doesn't bring out the real importance as to how the Mahavidya and Vishnu Avatara are connected. I.e. how the left foot corresponds to Tara and the right hand corresponds to Rama, whilst the right foot is Kali and the left hand is Krishna and how the hands and feet walk together in sync showing the Gati (feet) and karma (hands) that are connected. This itself was taught to us on the first year. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda. com @: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com Narasimha P.V.R. Rao skrev: Dear Swee, > If you do not mind, Munda literally means "demon"????? ????? - so the list > you have given below is not for the purpose of internal yagna but for > causing pain to others, which I believe is opposite of what you are trying > to teach. Munda does not have such a meaning at all. It means a head, especially a shaved head. It also symbolizes ego. Munda maala is a garland of heads and symbolizes the endless cycle of birth, death and rebirth. * * * Dear Sarbani, Good to hear from you! Please convey my regards to Sanjay ji. > Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, "Jyotish > Kalpa-Vriksha" has quoted from the tantra thus: > > <verse..see below> > > He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. Thank you for giving a classical reference to the SJC version of planet-Mahavidya mapping. Do you know when Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya lived? If he does not name the tantra that he "has quoted from", that is not helpful. Munda Maala Tantra, on the other hand, is a respected Tantra text. Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- sohamsa@ ..com, "Sarbani Rath" <sarbani wrote: > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Narasimha, > > Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, "Jyotish > Kalpa-Vriksha" has quoted from the tantra thus: > > Divaakarasya Matangi Chandrasya Bhuvaneshvari > Kujasya Bagalaadevi Budhasya Parasundari. > Tara Brihaspateshchaiva Shukrasya Kamaltmika > Shanestu Dakshinakaali Grahanaamishtadevta a.. > Chhinnamastaa Tathaa Raahoh Ketordhumavati Tathaa. > > He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. He has further proceeded > to construct a table called Sarbadukhaharachakr amidam, where he has mapped > the planets with the Dashavatars and the Dasha Mahavidyas. It might be of > intereste to you. > > Best Regards, > > Sarbani Rath > > Homepage: <http://sarbani. com/> http://sarbani. com > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariusp ublications. com/> > http://sagittariusp ublications. com > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa. com/> http://sohamsa. com > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http:// .org/> http:// .org sohamsa@ .com, Swee Chan <sweechan wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Narasimha, > > Namaste > > If you do not mind, Munda literally means "demon"????? ????? - so the list > you have given below is not for the purpose of internal yagna but for > causing pain to others, which I believe is opposite of what you are trying > to teach. > > According to my Guru, Chhinnamasta is akin to Rahu, fierce and its vidya > quells the rebellious aspect of the enemy. Nothing to do with cleansing the > Indriya per se, but the prevailing external forces which we can map to our > horoscopes. Parasara of course teaches us that it is not one, but two or > more malefics that causes such pain. > > Baglamukhi is Mars, since she helps in lawsuits and contentious issues with > land. Both issues point to Mars as the karaka in learner jyotish. Whilst we > are at it, I am surprised you did not but her in the category of Venus, the > 2nd house lord of the natural horoscope and speech.since Bablamukhi is > number one for causing stambhan. > > You may enjoy reading the Narada Purana with its wonderful exposition on the > expansions of the shaktis and get a better idea on the same, since it is > evident that you have given a list off the cuff and off course. > > Thanks for reading. > > Love, > > Swee > > _____ > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On Behalf Of > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > 06 June 2009 22:54 > > Cc: vedic astrology; ; > sohamsa@ .com > Planets and Dasa Mahavidyas > > Dear Narayan, > > Thanks for the verse from Munda Maalaa Tantra. Out of all planet-mahavidya > mappings I have seen, this is the most philosophically sound mapping. > > Sun - Taaraa - Raama > Moon - Kaali - Krishna > Mars - Bhairavi - Nrisimha > Mercury - Maatangi - Buddha > Jupiter - Dhumaavati - Vaamana > Venus - Chhinnamastaa - Bhaargava Rama > Saturn - Bagalamukhi - Koorma > Rahu - Bhuvaneswari - Varaaha > Ketu - Kamala - Matsya > > * * * > > Vidya is knowledge. Mahavidya is supreme knowledge. Dasa mahavidyas are the > ten highest forms of knowledge that take us to moksha or liberation, > approaching from different angles. Other kinds of knowledge (e.g. > mathematics, physics, astronomy, astrology, grammar etc) do not liberate us. > But these ten kinds of knowledge liberate us. The deities (names and forms > described in books for ten mahavidyas) are personifications of those ten > types of supreme knowledge that liberate us. > > * * * > > Please note one thing here. Moksha means overcoming the maayaa of the > duality around us.. Seeing some things as desirable, some as undesirable, > some as pleasurable, some as painful, some as beautiful, some as ugly etc is > what binds us. Overcoming the duality and seeing all as Brahman is > liberation or moksha. > > Different planets represent different aspects of our selves. The duality > around us and the way to overcome it seem different from different angles. > From the point of view of individual soul (Sun), this maayaa is something > that needs to be overcome by crossing and reaching the other end (supreme > cosmic soul). >From the point of view of mind (Moon), this duality is > something that clouds the vision and needs to be destroyed so that it cannot > tempt again. From the point of view of the intellect/discrimin ation/dhee > (Jupiter), it issomething that is non-existent anyway ("so what was the > problem in the first place?"), like shapes made of smoke. From the point of > view of initiative and energy within us (Mars), it is something that needs > to be fought hard and fearlessly. From the point of view of the learning > ability within us (Mercury), it is something that needs to be learnt and > understood fully so that we can overcome it. From the point of view of > enjoyment and happiness (Venus), it is something that needs to be accepted > and enjoyed and not something to fear or avoid ("after all, all is Brahman.. > Then why stay away from enjoyments?" ). And so on. > > But remember one important thing. Whichever approach is taken to overcoming > duality, the end result is the same. One first masters the approach. It > becomes part of one's common sense and thinking. One eventually overcomes > duality. One becomes self-realized and becomes liberated. That end result is > the same irrespective of the approach chosen. > > * * * > > Sun is the soul within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving > deep into this aspect is what makes one wade (tar=swim/wade/ cross) the ocean > of delusion and get to the source. If you master the knowledge that helps > one view the world as an ocean that needs to be crossed to reach the > supreme, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Taaraa > personifies this knowledge. > > Moon is the mind within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from > delving deep into this aspect is an understanding of attachments and > desires, their impermanence and how to kill them. If you master the > knowledge that kills all attachments and desires and gives perfect control > on the mind, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. > Kaali personifies this knowledge.. > > Mars is the energy and initiative within us. The highest form of knowledge > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one fearlessness of > anything in the universe. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly > fearless and you do not fear anything (including death or pain!) other > things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bhairavi personifies > this knowledge. > > Mercury is knowledge and learning ability within us. The highest form of > knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one > learning of various topics. If you master the knowledge that give you > mastery of all kinds of learning through logical and rational thinking, > other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Maatangi > personifies this knowledge. In fact, some people associate Maatangi with > Saraswati. Saraswati is also known as "Maatanga Kanya". > > Jupiter is the intellect, wisdom and discrimination (dhee shakti) within us. > The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is > that all is delusion. The individual soul and individual mind and everything > they perceive is just an illusion. All that is there is Brahman. Any other > perceptions, of various good or bad things, are just a delusion, like > figures made of smoke. If you master the knowledge that makes your intellect > shine, you will realize that the entire world is a delusion and not deluded > by anything anymore. Then other things will follow and you eventually get > liberation. Dhumaavati personifies this knowledge. > > Venus is the spirit of enjoyment and bliss. The highest form of knowledge > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one egoless and > blissful. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly fearless and > you do not fear anything, including death or pain, other things will follow > and you eventually get liberation. Chhinnamasta personifies this knowledge. > She is depicted as a deity holding her own severed head, standing near a > naked couple in copulation and surrounded by associates who are drinking > wine. One mastering this knowledge need not stay away from any pleasures, > but one learns to see god even those pleasures. However, pleasure obtained > with an ego ("*I* am enjoying this act or object") binds. The headless state > symbolizes egolessness.. If one has overcome I-ness, pleasures are not > binding. One not thinking in terms of "*I* am enjoying" but having no sense > of "I" can live life without running away from any pleasures or undertaking > any austerities and yet become liberated. > > Saturn is the spirit of hard work within us. He also represents our > weaknesses and sins. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep > into this aspect is what makes us realize our internal enemies and destroy > them. If you master the knowledge that makes you overcome weaknesses such as > laziness and internal enemies such as lust, anger, greed, jealosy etc, other > things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bagalamukhi > personifies this knowledge. Most of her mantras ask to destroy enemies and > so people foolishly think that she is the one who gives success in > litigation and worship her for court cases. This is like going to a king to > ask for two spoons of sugar for your milk. You go to the king for bigger > things and a neighbor is enough for giving you two spoons of sugar. The > enemies destroyed by Bagalamukhi are internal enemies and your own laziness. > Remember, she is a mahavidya, i.e. a type of supreme knowledge that > liberates you! > > Rahu is the spirit of material well-being within us. Rahu is the one who > binds us to rebirth (this is why Saturn showing sins and Rahu showing > rebirth are important in the death chart). The highest form of knowledge > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives us worldly success > in a dhaarmik way. If you master the knowledge that makes you materially > successful in a dharmik way, you become successful and fulfil all your > duties and debts in the world and eventually get liberation. Bhuvaneswari > personifies this knowledge. > > Ketu is the spirit of of detachment and Vedic knowledge within us. The > highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is the > essense of Veda. If you master the knowledge that enables you to be in > oneness with the supreme cosmic being, you eventually get liberation. Kamala > (Mahaalakshmi) personifies this knowledge. According to saptashati rahasya > also, Mahaalakshmi is the Aadyaa (the first One). She is the energy of > supreme cosmic being. She divides Herself into 3 parts - Mahaakaali, > Mahaalakshmi and MahaaSaraswati and they create Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and > their consorts. Kamala represents the knowledge of the supreme cosmic energy > of the supreme cosmic being. > > * * * > > One of the above is not superior to the other. Depending on your vasanas > (mental conditioning) , attitudes, likes and dislikes, depending on which > aspect of your personality dominates over other aspects (the sinfulness and > weaknesses? or the interest in learning things? or the spirit of fighting? > or the sense of enjoyment? etc), one Mahavidya may be more suitable than > others, as that knowledge uses your strong aspect and moulds that aspect to > take you towards liberation. Do not compare them. Take the one that is most > suitable, but do master that aspect. > > * * * > > There are some who do Dasa Mahavidya sadhana by doing one Mahavidya's mantra > for one month, then switch to another and so on.. They think that by doing > each mahavidya mantra for a certain count, they "finish" the mahavidya > sadhana. This is wrong and serves no useful purpose. Instead, one should > pick any ONE mahavidya and succeed in that sadhana. The definition of > success is that the knowledge represented by that deity becomes part of your > common sense - you understand that knowledge and ooze that knowledge in your > thoughts and actions. Whether you experience the deity as an external > human-like form (who may impart some knowledge to you) or as an internal > human-like form or as light or as sound is secondary, but the end result > should be that the knowledge represented by Her should become common sense > and second nature to you. One claiming visions or siddhi of a mahavidya but > not showing the corresponding knowledge is bluffing. > > There are many people who do mahavidya sadhana and yet many others who claim > to have siddhi in one or more mahavidyas, but very few who actually possess > any of the ten mahavidyas. The area of mahavidya sadhana is one of the most > ill-understood in today's age of ignorance and half-baked knowledge. It is > easier to possess lower vidyas or lower shaktis, but mahavidyas are beyond > the capability of understanding for most people. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > Do a Short Homam Yourself: <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: <http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> > http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > - > "naaraayana_ iyer" < <narayan. iyer > narayan.iyer@ ...> > < <vedic- wisdom@grou ps.com> > > Friday, June 05, 2009 9:58 AM > Re: Rama as God > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > Here's what the Mundamala Tantra states (not in correct itrans format): > > > > kriShnaastu kaalika saakshaat raamamoortischa taariNii | > > vaaraaho bhuvana prokta nrsimho bharavishvarii || > > dhoomavatii vamanaH syaat chinnaa bhrighukulodbhavaAH | > > kamalaa matsyaroopaAH syaat koormastu bagalamukhii || > > maatangii baudh ityeSHa Shodashii kalkiroopinii || > > > > Some of the reason for the mapping given is: > > > > Varaha as the boar that dug deep to uplift Mother Earth (Bhuvaneshvari) > > Bhairavi is the burning tapas of that shoots forth and destroys all evil > > but not to aspirants (like Narasimha deva being kind to Prahalada) > > Parasurama cut the head of his mother Renuka (Chinnamasta) > > Kamalatmika robed in the waters of consciousness is behind the Matsya the > > primordial fish in the vivifying waters of creation. > > Bagalamukhi is stifling force of Kurma avtara that lies still and > > motionless withdrawing its limbs into itself. > > Matangi is the Vaikhari Vak behind the avatara of Buddha who had come to > > articulate the message of truth. > > > > Regards > > Narayan > > > > <vedic- wisdom@grou ps.com> > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Narayan, > >> > >> Todala tantra also maps Vishnu's ten incarnations to Dasa maha vidyas. > >> Krishna is associated with Kaali there too. However, Shiva teaches > >> Parvati > >> in Todala tantra that Maatangi is Rama. Can you give the full list of > >> mapping as given in Munda maalaa tantra? > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Narasimha > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > >> Spirituality: <http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> > http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > http://www.VedicAst rologer..org > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > http://www.SriJagan nath.org > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > >> > >> - > >> "naaraayana_ iyer" <narayan.iyer@> > >> < <vedic- wisdom@grou ps.com> > > >> Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:07 AM > >> Re: Rama as God > >> > >> > >> > Namaste Rajarshiji, > >> > > >> >> As a corollary, can the path shown by Lord Rama be equated to the path > > >> >> of > >> >> Dakshina Kali and that of Krishna as Vama Kali. > >> > > >> > Actually, Krishna is equated to Kali, as per the Munda Mala Tantra. > >> > Krishna's beeja akshara is Kleem while Kali's beeja akshara is Kreem. > >> > Whereas, Rama is equated to Taaraa, the Raama Naama is called the > >> > Taaraka > >> > mantra. Taaraa means crossing and she is the one who helps us > >> > cross-over > >> > from the material plane to the spiritual plane. Raama also had to cross > >> > the ocean to get Sita. Esoterically, Raama is the soul, Lakshmana is > >> > the > >> > single-pointed concentration (lakshya-mana) and Sita is the Kundalini > >> > Shakti. Raavana who stands for our material desires steals Sita and > >> > takes > >> > her away to Lanka, stands for how our material desires makes the > >> > kundalini > >> > remain in the mooladhara. The beeja akshara of Mooladhaara is Lam, > >> > which > >> > is what Lanka is. > >> > > >> > Munda Maala tantra has other parallels (equating Das Mahaavidya & Das > >> > Avataara) too, some of which makes sense and some of them dont. > >> > > >> > Hope this helps. > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > Narayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Visti, Yes, the mapping given in the shloka from Mundamala Tantra, between the Avatars and the Mahavidyas, is for a different purpose entirely. The co-relations here are referring to something else all together. Yes the left foot forward is pratyalida, Tara, corresponding with the right hand, which is Rama. While the right foot forward is Kali, corresponding with the left hand, which is Krishna. The co-relations between Kali and Krishna is pretty well known in most traditions of Hinduism; the krim and klim bijas, the agni added in one to burn the sins while jala is added to the other to ‘attract’ god in bhakti rasa. Best Regards, Sarbani Rath Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> http://sagittariuspublications.com Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti Larsen 08 June 2009 02:02 sohamsa ; ; jaiminisutra ; jaiminiupadesa Re: Re: Planets and Dasa Mahavidyas हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Sarbani and Swee, Namaskar. The verse that Narayan Iyer has given mentions nothing about the Graha corresponding to the Mahavidya. The verse is otherwise mentioned in MANY tantras and is a well known one which shows which Mahavidya corresponds to which Vishnu Avatara. Narasimha has merely inferred the Graha linkages and therefore the list is his own research and is NOT supported by any treatise at all. In fact everyone SHOULD be encouraged to follow the list given by Sri Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, as he HAS given a direct list of Graha and corresponding Mahavidya. Narasimha's list is his own invention... the sloka mentions nothing about the graha linkages. Just because Parasara equates Sun to Rama we should think Sun should also be Tarini as per the Mahavidya-Vishnu avatara link? This is not a proper logic, in fact when we were taught the Agni Purana on the second year of Jaimini Sutras, and the names of Vishnu therein, we saw a completely different concept of mapping of the grahas to the name of the avataras. This mapping that Narasimha has suggested is simply not acceptable as it is too simple an explanation, and doesn't bring out the real importance as to how the Mahavidya and Vishnu Avatara are connected. I.e. how the left foot corresponds to Tara and the right hand corresponds to Rama, whilst the right foot is Kali and the left hand is Krishna and how the hands and feet walk together in sync showing the Gati (feet) and karma (hands) that are connected. This itself was taught to us on the first year. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti Narasimha P.V.R. Rao skrev: Dear Swee, > If you do not mind, Munda literally means " demon " ?????????? - so the list > you have given below is not for the purpose of internal yagna but for > causing pain to others, which I believe is opposite of what you are trying > to teach. Munda does not have such a meaning at all. It means a head, especially a shaved head. It also symbolizes ego. Munda maala is a garland of heads and symbolizes the endless cycle of birth, death and rebirth. * * * Dear Sarbani, Good to hear from you! Please convey my regards to Sanjay ji. > Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, " Jyotish > Kalpa-Vriksha " has quoted from the tantra thus: > > <verse..see below> > > He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. Thank you for giving a classical reference to the SJC version of planet-Mahavidya mapping. Do you know when Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya lived? If he does not name the tantra that he " has quoted from " , that is not helpful. Munda Maala Tantra, on the other hand, is a respected Tantra text. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani <sarbani wrote: > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Narasimha, > > Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, " Jyotish > Kalpa-Vriksha " has quoted from the tantra thus: > > Divaakarasya Matangi Chandrasya Bhuvaneshvari > Kujasya Bagalaadevi Budhasya Parasundari. > Tara Brihaspateshchaiva Shukrasya Kamaltmika > Shanestu Dakshinakaali Grahanaamishtadevtaa.. > Chhinnamastaa Tathaa Raahoh Ketordhumavati Tathaa. > > He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. He has further proceeded > to construct a table called Sarbadukhaharachakramidam, where he has mapped > the planets with the Dashavatars and the Dasha Mahavidyas. It might be of > intereste to you. > > Best Regards, > > Sarbani Rath > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan <sweechan wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Narasimha, > > Namaste > > If you do not mind, Munda literally means " demon " ?????????? - so the list > you have given below is not for the purpose of internal yagna but for > causing pain to others, which I believe is opposite of what you are trying > to teach. > > According to my Guru, Chhinnamasta is akin to Rahu, fierce and its vidya > quells the rebellious aspect of the enemy. Nothing to do with cleansing the > Indriya per se, but the prevailing external forces which we can map to our > horoscopes. Parasara of course teaches us that it is not one, but two or > more malefics that causes such pain. > > Baglamukhi is Mars, since she helps in lawsuits and contentious issues with > land. Both issues point to Mars as the karaka in learner jyotish. Whilst we > are at it, I am surprised you did not but her in the category of Venus, the > 2nd house lord of the natural horoscope and speech.since Bablamukhi is > number one for causing stambhan. > > You may enjoy reading the Narada Purana with its wonderful exposition on the > expansions of the shaktis and get a better idea on the same, since it is > evident that you have given a list off the cuff and off course. > > Thanks for reading. > > Love, > > Swee > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > 06 June 2009 22:54 > > Cc: vedic astrology ; ; > sohamsa > Planets and Dasa Mahavidyas > > Dear Narayan, > > Thanks for the verse from Munda Maalaa Tantra. Out of all planet-mahavidya > mappings I have seen, this is the most philosophically sound mapping. > > Sun - Taaraa - Raama > Moon - Kaali - Krishna > Mars - Bhairavi - Nrisimha > Mercury - Maatangi - Buddha > Jupiter - Dhumaavati - Vaamana > Venus - Chhinnamastaa - Bhaargava Rama > Saturn - Bagalamukhi - Koorma > Rahu - Bhuvaneswari - Varaaha > Ketu - Kamala - Matsya > > * * * > > Vidya is knowledge. Mahavidya is supreme knowledge. Dasa mahavidyas are the > ten highest forms of knowledge that take us to moksha or liberation, > approaching from different angles. Other kinds of knowledge (e.g. > mathematics, physics, astronomy, astrology, grammar etc) do not liberate us. > But these ten kinds of knowledge liberate us. The deities (names and forms > described in books for ten mahavidyas) are personifications of those ten > types of supreme knowledge that liberate us. > > * * * > > Please note one thing here. Moksha means overcoming the maayaa of the > duality around us. Seeing some things as desirable, some as undesirable, > some as pleasurable, some as painful, some as beautiful, some as ugly etc is > what binds us. Overcoming the duality and seeing all as Brahman is > liberation or moksha. > > Different planets represent different aspects of our selves. The duality > around us and the way to overcome it seem different from different angles. > From the point of view of individual soul (Sun), this maayaa is something > that needs to be overcome by crossing and reaching the other end (supreme > cosmic soul). >From the point of view of mind (Moon), this duality is > something that clouds the vision and needs to be destroyed so that it cannot > tempt again. From the point of view of the intellect/discrimination/dhee > (Jupiter), it issomething that is non-existent anyway ( " so what was the > problem in the first place? " ), like shapes made of smoke. From the point of > view of initiative and energy within us (Mars), it is something that needs > to be fought hard and fearlessly. From the point of view of the learning > ability within us (Mercury), it is something that needs to be learnt and > understood fully so that we can overcome it. From the point of view of > enjoyment and happiness (Venus), it is something that needs to be accepted > and enjoyed and not something to fear or avoid ( " after all, all is Brahman. > Then why stay away from enjoyments? " ). And so on. > > But remember one important thing. Whichever approach is taken to overcoming > duality, the end result is the same. One first masters the approach. It > becomes part of one's common sense and thinking. One eventually overcomes > duality. One becomes self-realized and becomes liberated. That end result is > the same irrespective of the approach chosen. > > * * * > > Sun is the soul within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving > deep into this aspect is what makes one wade (tar=swim/wade/cross) the ocean > of delusion and get to the source. If you master the knowledge that helps > one view the world as an ocean that needs to be crossed to reach the > supreme, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Taaraa > personifies this knowledge. > > Moon is the mind within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from > delving deep into this aspect is an understanding of attachments and > desires, their impermanence and how to kill them. If you master the > knowledge that kills all attachments and desires and gives perfect control > on the mind, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. > Kaali personifies this knowledge. > > Mars is the energy and initiative within us. The highest form of knowledge > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one fearlessness of > anything in the universe. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly > fearless and you do not fear anything (including death or pain!) other > things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bhairavi personifies > this knowledge. > > Mercury is knowledge and learning ability within us. The highest form of > knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one > learning of various topics. If you master the knowledge that give you > mastery of all kinds of learning through logical and rational thinking, > other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Maatangi > personifies this knowledge. In fact, some people associate Maatangi with > Saraswati. Saraswati is also known as " Maatanga Kanya " . > > Jupiter is the intellect, wisdom and discrimination (dhee shakti) within us. > The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is > that all is delusion. The individual soul and individual mind and everything > they perceive is just an illusion. All that is there is Brahman. Any other > perceptions, of various good or bad things, are just a delusion, like > figures made of smoke. If you master the knowledge that makes your intellect > shine, you will realize that the entire world is a delusion and not deluded > by anything anymore. Then other things will follow and you eventually get > liberation. Dhumaavati personifies this knowledge. > > Venus is the spirit of enjoyment and bliss. The highest form of knowledge > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one egoless and > blissful. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly fearless and > you do not fear anything, including death or pain, other things will follow > and you eventually get liberation. Chhinnamasta personifies this knowledge. > She is depicted as a deity holding her own severed head, standing near a > naked couple in copulation and surrounded by associates who are drinking > wine. One mastering this knowledge need not stay away from any pleasures, > but one learns to see god even those pleasures. However, pleasure obtained > with an ego ( " *I* am enjoying this act or object " ) binds. The headless state > symbolizes egolessness. If one has overcome I-ness, pleasures are not > binding. One not thinking in terms of " *I* am enjoying " but having no sense > of " I " can live life without running away from any pleasures or undertaking > any austerities and yet become liberated. > > Saturn is the spirit of hard work within us. He also represents our > weaknesses and sins. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep > into this aspect is what makes us realize our internal enemies and destroy > them. If you master the knowledge that makes you overcome weaknesses such as > laziness and internal enemies such as lust, anger, greed, jealosy etc, other > things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bagalamukhi > personifies this knowledge. Most of her mantras ask to destroy enemies and > so people foolishly think that she is the one who gives success in > litigation and worship her for court cases. This is like going to a king to > ask for two spoons of sugar for your milk. You go to the king for bigger > things and a neighbor is enough for giving you two spoons of sugar. The > enemies destroyed by Bagalamukhi are internal enemies and your own laziness. > Remember, she is a mahavidya, i.e. a type of supreme knowledge that > liberates you! > > Rahu is the spirit of material well-being within us. Rahu is the one who > binds us to rebirth (this is why Saturn showing sins and Rahu showing > rebirth are important in the death chart). The highest form of knowledge > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives us worldly success > in a dhaarmik way. If you master the knowledge that makes you materially > successful in a dharmik way, you become successful and fulfil all your > duties and debts in the world and eventually get liberation. Bhuvaneswari > personifies this knowledge. > > Ketu is the spirit of of detachment and Vedic knowledge within us. The > highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is the > essense of Veda. If you master the knowledge that enables you to be in > oneness with the supreme cosmic being, you eventually get liberation. Kamala > (Mahaalakshmi) personifies this knowledge. According to saptashati rahasya > also, Mahaalakshmi is the Aadyaa (the first One). She is the energy of > supreme cosmic being. She divides Herself into 3 parts - Mahaakaali, > Mahaalakshmi and MahaaSaraswati and they create Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and > their consorts. Kamala represents the knowledge of the supreme cosmic energy > of the supreme cosmic being. > > * * * > > One of the above is not superior to the other. Depending on your vasanas > (mental conditioning), attitudes, likes and dislikes, depending on which > aspect of your personality dominates over other aspects (the sinfulness and > weaknesses? or the interest in learning things? or the spirit of fighting? > or the sense of enjoyment? etc), one Mahavidya may be more suitable than > others, as that knowledge uses your strong aspect and moulds that aspect to > take you towards liberation. Do not compare them. Take the one that is most > suitable, but do master that aspect. > > * * * > > There are some who do Dasa Mahavidya sadhana by doing one Mahavidya's mantra > for one month, then switch to another and so on. They think that by doing > each mahavidya mantra for a certain count, they " finish " the mahavidya > sadhana. This is wrong and serves no useful purpose. Instead, one should > pick any ONE mahavidya and succeed in that sadhana. The definition of > success is that the knowledge represented by that deity becomes part of your > common sense - you understand that knowledge and ooze that knowledge in your > thoughts and actions. Whether you experience the deity as an external > human-like form (who may impart some knowledge to you) or as an internal > human-like form or as light or as sound is secondary, but the end result > should be that the knowledge represented by Her should become common sense > and second nature to you. One claiming visions or siddhi of a mahavidya but > not showing the corresponding knowledge is bluffing. > > There are many people who do mahavidya sadhana and yet many others who claim > to have siddhi in one or more mahavidyas, but very few who actually possess > any of the ten mahavidyas. The area of mahavidya sadhana is one of the most > ill-understood in today's age of ignorance and half-baked knowledge. It is > easier to possess lower vidyas or lower shaktis, but mahavidyas are beyond > the capability of understanding for most people. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: <> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <http://www.SriJagannath.org> > http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > - > " naaraayana_iyer " < <narayan.iyer > narayan.iyer > < > > Friday, June 05, 2009 9:58 AM > Re: Rama as God > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > Here's what the Mundamala Tantra states (not in correct itrans format): > > > > kriShnaastu kaalika saakshaat raamamoortischa taariNii | > > vaaraaho bhuvana prokta nrsimho bharavishvarii || > > dhoomavatii vamanaH syaat chinnaa bhrighukulodbhavaAH | > > kamalaa matsyaroopaAH syaat koormastu bagalamukhii || > > maatangii baudh ityeSHa Shodashii kalkiroopinii || > > > > Some of the reason for the mapping given is: > > > > Varaha as the boar that dug deep to uplift Mother Earth (Bhuvaneshvari) > > Bhairavi is the burning tapas of that shoots forth and destroys all evil > > but not to aspirants (like Narasimha deva being kind to Prahalada) > > Parasurama cut the head of his mother Renuka (Chinnamasta) > > Kamalatmika robed in the waters of consciousness is behind the Matsya the > > primordial fish in the vivifying waters of creation. > > Bagalamukhi is stifling force of Kurma avtara that lies still and > > motionless withdrawing its limbs into itself. > > Matangi is the Vaikhari Vak behind the avatara of Buddha who had come to > > articulate the message of truth. > > > > Regards > > Narayan > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Narayan, > >> > >> Todala tantra also maps Vishnu's ten incarnations to Dasa maha vidyas. > >> Krishna is associated with Kaali there too. However, Shiva teaches > >> Parvati > >> in Todala tantra that Maatangi is Rama. Can you give the full list of > >> mapping as given in Munda maalaa tantra? > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Narasimha > >> > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > >> Spirituality: <> > > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <http://www.SriJagannath.org> > http://www.SriJagannath.org > >> > >> > >> - > >> " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan.iyer@> > >> < > > >> Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:07 AM > >> Re: Rama as God > >> > >> > >> > Namaste Rajarshiji, > >> > > >> >> As a corollary, can the path shown by Lord Rama be equated to the path > > >> >> of > >> >> Dakshina Kali and that of Krishna as Vama Kali. > >> > > >> > Actually, Krishna is equated to Kali, as per the Munda Mala Tantra. > >> > Krishna's beeja akshara is Kleem while Kali's beeja akshara is Kreem. > >> > Whereas, Rama is equated to Taaraa, the Raama Naama is called the > >> > Taaraka > >> > mantra. Taaraa means crossing and she is the one who helps us > >> > cross-over > >> > from the material plane to the spiritual plane. Raama also had to cross > >> > the ocean to get Sita. Esoterically, Raama is the soul, Lakshmana is > >> > the > >> > single-pointed concentration (lakshya-mana) and Sita is the Kundalini > >> > Shakti. Raavana who stands for our material desires steals Sita and > >> > takes > >> > her away to Lanka, stands for how our material desires makes the > >> > kundalini > >> > remain in the mooladhara. The beeja akshara of Mooladhaara is Lam, > >> > which > >> > is what Lanka is. > >> > > >> > Munda Maala tantra has other parallels (equating Das Mahaavidya & Das > >> > Avataara) too, some of which makes sense and some of them dont. > >> > > >> > Hope this helps. > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > Narayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Visti, Yes, the mapping given in the shloka from Mundamala Tantra, between the Avatars and the Mahavidyas,  is for a different purpose entirely. The co-relations here are referring to something else all together. Yes the left foot forward is pratyalida, Tara, corresponding with the right hand, which is Rama. While the right foot forward is Kali, corresponding with the left hand, which is Krishna. The co-relations between Kali and Krishna is pretty well known in most traditions of Hinduism; the krim and klim bijas, the agni added in one to burn the sins while jala is added to the other to ‘attract’ god in bhakti rasa. Best Regards, Sarbani Rath Homepage: http://sarbani.com Sagittarius Publications: http://sagittariuspublications.com Sohamsa: http://sohamsa.com Sri Jagannath Centre: http://.org sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti Larsen 08 June 2009 02:02 sohamsa ; ; jaiminisutra ; jaiminiupadesa Re: Re: Planets and Dasa Mahavidyas हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Sarbani and Swee, Namaskar. The verse that Narayan Iyer has given mentions nothing about the Graha corresponding to the Mahavidya. The verse is otherwise mentioned in MANY tantras and is a well known one which shows which Mahavidya corresponds to which Vishnu Avatara. Narasimha has merely inferred the Graha linkages and therefore the list is his own research and is NOT supported by any treatise at all. In fact everyone SHOULD be encouraged to follow the list given by Sri Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, as he HAS given a direct list of Graha and corresponding Mahavidya. Narasimha's list is his own invention... the sloka mentions nothing about the graha linkages. Just because Parasara equates Sun to Rama we should think Sun should also be Tarini as per the Mahavidya-Vishnu avatara link? This is not a proper logic, in fact when we were taught the Agni Purana on the second year of Jaimini Sutras, and the names of Vishnu therein, we saw a completely different concept of mapping of the grahas to the name of the avataras. This mapping that Narasimha has suggested is simply not acceptable as it is too simple an explanation, and doesn't bring out the real importance as to how the Mahavidya and Vishnu Avatara are connected. I.e. how the left foot corresponds to Tara and the right hand corresponds to Rama, whilst the right foot is Kali and the left hand is Krishna and how the hands and feet walk together in sync showing the Gati (feet) and karma (hands) that are connected. This itself was taught to us on the first year. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti Narasimha P.V.R. Rao skrev: Dear Swee, > If you do not mind, Munda literally means " demon " ?????????? - so the list > you have given below is not for the purpose of internal yagna but for > causing pain to others, which I believe is opposite of what you are trying > to teach. Munda does not have such a meaning at all. It means a head, especially a shaved head. It also symbolizes ego. Munda maala is a garland of heads and symbolizes the endless cycle of birth, death and rebirth. * * * Dear Sarbani, Good to hear from you! Please convey my regards to Sanjay ji. > Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, " Jyotish > Kalpa-Vriksha " has quoted from the tantra thus: > > <verse..see below> > > He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. Thank you for giving a classical reference to the SJC version of planet-Mahavidya mapping. Do you know when Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya lived? If he does not name the tantra that he " has quoted from " , that is not helpful. Munda Maala Tantra, on the other hand, is a respected Tantra text. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org --- In sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani wrote: > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Narasimha, > > Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, " Jyotish > Kalpa-Vriksha " has quoted from the tantra thus: > > Divaakarasya Matangi Chandrasya Bhuvaneshvari > Kujasya Bagalaadevi Budhasya Parasundari. > Tara Brihaspateshchaiva Shukrasya Kamaltmika > Shanestu Dakshinakaali Grahanaamishtadevtaa.. > Chhinnamastaa Tathaa Raahoh Ketordhumavati Tathaa. > > He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. He has further proceeded > to construct a table called Sarbadukhaharachakramidam, where he has mapped > the planets with the Dashavatars and the Dasha Mahavidyas. It might be of > intereste to you. > > Best Regards, > > Sarbani Rath > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org --- In sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Narasimha, > > Namaste > > If you do not mind, Munda literally means " demon " ?????????? - so the list > you have given below is not for the purpose of internal yagna but for > causing pain to others, which I believe is opposite of what you are trying > to teach. > > According to my Guru, Chhinnamasta is akin to Rahu, fierce and its vidya > quells the rebellious aspect of the enemy. Nothing to do with cleansing the > Indriya per se, but the prevailing external forces which we can map to our > horoscopes. Parasara of course teaches us that it is not one, but two or > more malefics that causes such pain. > > Baglamukhi is Mars, since she helps in lawsuits and contentious issues with > land. Both issues point to Mars as the karaka in learner jyotish. Whilst we > are at it, I am surprised you did not but her in the category of Venus, the > 2nd house lord of the natural horoscope and speech.since Bablamukhi is > number one for causing stambhan. > > You may enjoy reading the Narada Purana with its wonderful exposition on the > expansions of the shaktis and get a better idea on the same, since it is > evident that you have given a list off the cuff and off course. > > Thanks for reading. > > Love, > > Swee > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > 06 June 2009 22:54 > > Cc: vedic astrology ; ; > sohamsa > Planets and Dasa Mahavidyas > > Dear Narayan, > > Thanks for the verse from Munda Maalaa Tantra. Out of all planet-mahavidya > mappings I have seen, this is the most philosophically sound mapping. > > Sun - Taaraa - Raama > Moon - Kaali - Krishna > Mars - Bhairavi - Nrisimha > Mercury - Maatangi - Buddha > Jupiter - Dhumaavati - Vaamana > Venus - Chhinnamastaa - Bhaargava Rama > Saturn - Bagalamukhi - Koorma > Rahu - Bhuvaneswari - Varaaha > Ketu - Kamala - Matsya > > * * * > > Vidya is knowledge. Mahavidya is supreme knowledge. Dasa mahavidyas are the > ten highest forms of knowledge that take us to moksha or liberation, > approaching from different angles. Other kinds of knowledge (e.g. > mathematics, physics, astronomy, astrology, grammar etc) do not liberate us. > But these ten kinds of knowledge liberate us. The deities (names and forms > described in books for ten mahavidyas) are personifications of those ten > types of supreme knowledge that liberate us. > > * * * > > Please note one thing here. Moksha means overcoming the maayaa of the > duality around us. Seeing some things as desirable, some as undesirable, > some as pleasurable, some as painful, some as beautiful, some as ugly etc is > what binds us. Overcoming the duality and seeing all as Brahman is > liberation or moksha. > > Different planets represent different aspects of our selves. The duality > around us and the way to overcome it seem different from different angles. > From the point of view of individual soul (Sun), this maayaa is something > that needs to be overcome by crossing and reaching the other end (supreme > cosmic soul). >From the point of view of mind (Moon), this duality is > something that clouds the vision and needs to be destroyed so that it cannot > tempt again. From the point of view of the intellect/discrimination/dhee > (Jupiter), it issomething that is non-existent anyway ( " so what was the > problem in the first place? " ), like shapes made of smoke. From the point of > view of initiative and energy within us (Mars), it is something that needs > to be fought hard and fearlessly. From the point of view of the learning > ability within us (Mercury), it is something that needs to be learnt and > understood fully so that we can overcome it. From the point of view of > enjoyment and happiness (Venus), it is something that needs to be accepted > and enjoyed and not something to fear or avoid ( " after all, all is Brahman. > Then why stay away from enjoyments? " ). And so on. > > But remember one important thing. Whichever approach is taken to overcoming > duality, the end result is the same. One first masters the approach. It > becomes part of one's common sense and thinking. One eventually overcomes > duality. One becomes self-realized and becomes liberated. That end result is > the same irrespective of the approach chosen. > > * * * > > Sun is the soul within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving > deep into this aspect is what makes one wade (tar=swim/wade/cross) the ocean > of delusion and get to the source. If you master the knowledge that helps > one view the world as an ocean that needs to be crossed to reach the > supreme, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Taaraa > personifies this knowledge. > > Moon is the mind within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from > delving deep into this aspect is an understanding of attachments and > desires, their impermanence and how to kill them. If you master the > knowledge that kills all attachments and desires and gives perfect control > on the mind, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. > Kaali personifies this knowledge. > > Mars is the energy and initiative within us. The highest form of knowledge > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one fearlessness of > anything in the universe. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly > fearless and you do not fear anything (including death or pain!) other > things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bhairavi personifies > this knowledge. > > Mercury is knowledge and learning ability within us. The highest form of > knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one > learning of various topics. If you master the knowledge that give you > mastery of all kinds of learning through logical and rational thinking, > other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Maatangi > personifies this knowledge. In fact, some people associate Maatangi with > Saraswati. Saraswati is also known as " Maatanga Kanya " . > > Jupiter is the intellect, wisdom and discrimination (dhee shakti) within us. > The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is > that all is delusion. The individual soul and individual mind and everything > they perceive is just an illusion. All that is there is Brahman. Any other > perceptions, of various good or bad things, are just a delusion, like > figures made of smoke. If you master the knowledge that makes your intellect > shine, you will realize that the entire world is a delusion and not deluded > by anything anymore. Then other things will follow and you eventually get > liberation. Dhumaavati personifies this knowledge. > > Venus is the spirit of enjoyment and bliss. The highest form of knowledge > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one egoless and > blissful. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly fearless and > you do not fear anything, including death or pain, other things will follow > and you eventually get liberation. Chhinnamasta personifies this knowledge. > She is depicted as a deity holding her own severed head, standing near a > naked couple in copulation and surrounded by associates who are drinking > wine. One mastering this knowledge need not stay away from any pleasures, > but one learns to see god even those pleasures. However, pleasure obtained > with an ego ( " *I* am enjoying this act or object " ) binds. The headless state > symbolizes egolessness. If one has overcome I-ness, pleasures are not > binding. One not thinking in terms of " *I* am enjoying " but having no sense > of " I " can live life without running away from any pleasures or undertaking > any austerities and yet become liberated. > > Saturn is the spirit of hard work within us. He also represents our > weaknesses and sins. The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep > into this aspect is what makes us realize our internal enemies and destroy > them. If you master the knowledge that makes you overcome weaknesses such as > laziness and internal enemies such as lust, anger, greed, jealosy etc, other > things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bagalamukhi > personifies this knowledge. Most of her mantras ask to destroy enemies and > so people foolishly think that she is the one who gives success in > litigation and worship her for court cases. This is like going to a king to > ask for two spoons of sugar for your milk. You go to the king for bigger > things and a neighbor is enough for giving you two spoons of sugar. The > enemies destroyed by Bagalamukhi are internal enemies and your own laziness. > Remember, she is a mahavidya, i.e. a type of supreme knowledge that > liberates you! > > Rahu is the spirit of material well-being within us. Rahu is the one who > binds us to rebirth (this is why Saturn showing sins and Rahu showing > rebirth are important in the death chart). The highest form of knowledge > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives us worldly success > in a dhaarmik way. If you master the knowledge that makes you materially > successful in a dharmik way, you become successful and fulfil all your > duties and debts in the world and eventually get liberation. Bhuvaneswari > personifies this knowledge. > > Ketu is the spirit of of detachment and Vedic knowledge within us. The > highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is the > essense of Veda. If you master the knowledge that enables you to be in > oneness with the supreme cosmic being, you eventually get liberation. Kamala > (Mahaalakshmi) personifies this knowledge. According to saptashati rahasya > also, Mahaalakshmi is the Aadyaa (the first One). She is the energy of > supreme cosmic being. She divides Herself into 3 parts - Mahaakaali, > Mahaalakshmi and MahaaSaraswati and they create Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and > their consorts. Kamala represents the knowledge of the supreme cosmic energy > of the supreme cosmic being. > > * * * > > One of the above is not superior to the other. Depending on your vasanas > (mental conditioning), attitudes, likes and dislikes, depending on which > aspect of your personality dominates over other aspects (the sinfulness and > weaknesses? or the interest in learning things? or the spirit of fighting? > or the sense of enjoyment? etc), one Mahavidya may be more suitable than > others, as that knowledge uses your strong aspect and moulds that aspect to > take you towards liberation. Do not compare them. Take the one that is most > suitable, but do master that aspect. > > * * * > > There are some who do Dasa Mahavidya sadhana by doing one Mahavidya's mantra > for one month, then switch to another and so on. They think that by doing > each mahavidya mantra for a certain count, they " finish " the mahavidya > sadhana. This is wrong and serves no useful purpose. Instead, one should > pick any ONE mahavidya and succeed in that sadhana. The definition of > success is that the knowledge represented by that deity becomes part of your > common sense - you understand that knowledge and ooze that knowledge in your > thoughts and actions. Whether you experience the deity as an external > human-like form (who may impart some knowledge to you) or as an internal > human-like form or as light or as sound is secondary, but the end result > should be that the knowledge represented by Her should become common sense > and second nature to you. One claiming visions or siddhi of a mahavidya but > not showing the corresponding knowledge is bluffing. > > There are many people who do mahavidya sadhana and yet many others who claim > to have siddhi in one or more mahavidyas, but very few who actually possess > any of the ten mahavidyas. The area of mahavidya sadhana is one of the most > ill-understood in today's age of ignorance and half-baked knowledge. It is > easier to possess lower vidyas or lower shaktis, but mahavidyas are beyond > the capability of understanding for most people. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: <> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <http://www.SriJagannath.org> > http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > - > " naaraayana_iyer " < <narayan.iyer > narayan.iyer > < > > Friday, June 05, 2009 9:58 AM > Re: Rama as God > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > Here's what the Mundamala Tantra states (not in correct itrans format): > > > > kriShnaastu kaalika saakshaat raamamoortischa taariNii | > > vaaraaho bhuvana prokta nrsimho bharavishvarii || > > dhoomavatii vamanaH syaat chinnaa bhrighukulodbhavaAH | > > kamalaa matsyaroopaAH syaat koormastu bagalamukhii || > > maatangii baudh ityeSHa Shodashii kalkiroopinii || > > > > Some of the reason for the mapping given is: > > > > Varaha as the boar that dug deep to uplift Mother Earth (Bhuvaneshvari) > > Bhairavi is the burning tapas of that shoots forth and destroys all evil > > but not to aspirants (like Narasimha deva being kind to Prahalada) > > Parasurama cut the head of his mother Renuka (Chinnamasta) > > Kamalatmika robed in the waters of consciousness is behind the Matsya the > > primordial fish in the vivifying waters of creation. > > Bagalamukhi is stifling force of Kurma avtara that lies still and > > motionless withdrawing its limbs into itself. > > Matangi is the Vaikhari Vak behind the avatara of Buddha who had come to > > articulate the message of truth. > > > > Regards > > Narayan > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Narayan, > >> > >> Todala tantra also maps Vishnu's ten incarnations to Dasa maha vidyas. > >> Krishna is associated with Kaali there too. However, Shiva teaches > >> Parvati > >> in Todala tantra that Maatangi is Rama. Can you give the full list of > >> mapping as given in Munda maalaa tantra? > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Narasimha > >> > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > >> Spirituality: <> > > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <http://www.SriJagannath.org> > http://www.SriJagannath.org > >> > >> > >> - > >> " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan.iyer@> > >> < > > >> Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:07 AM > >> Re: Rama as God > >> > >> > >> > Namaste Rajarshiji, > >> > > >> >> As a corollary, can the path shown by Lord Rama be equated to the path > > >> >> of > >> >> Dakshina Kali and that of Krishna as Vama Kali. > >> > > >> > Actually, Krishna is equated to Kali, as per the Munda Mala Tantra. > >> > Krishna's beeja akshara is Kleem while Kali's beeja akshara is Kreem. > >> > Whereas, Rama is equated to Taaraa, the Raama Naama is called the > >> > Taaraka > >> > mantra. Taaraa means crossing and she is the one who helps us > >> > cross-over > >> > from the material plane to the spiritual plane. Raama also had to cross > >> > the ocean to get Sita. Esoterically, Raama is the soul, Lakshmana is > >> > the > >> > single-pointed concentration (lakshya-mana) and Sita is the Kundalini > >> > Shakti. Raavana who stands for our material desires steals Sita and > >> > takes > >> > her away to Lanka, stands for how our material desires makes the > >> > kundalini > >> > remain in the mooladhara. The beeja akshara of Mooladhaara is Lam, > >> > which > >> > is what Lanka is. > >> > > >> > Munda Maala tantra has other parallels (equating Das Mahaavidya & Das > >> > Avataara) too, some of which makes sense and some of them dont. > >> > > >> > Hope this helps. > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > Narayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 हरे राम कृष्ण Dear Narasimha, Namaskar. Great... so because crows are black, as is Krishna's complexion, so Crows and Krishna are both Moon. People here know better than that. Here's another list for you from Todala Tantra: 1. Dakshina/Kali - MahaKaal 2. Tara - Akshobya 3. Mahatripurisundari - Panchanan/Somanath 4. Bhuvaneswari - Tryambaka 5. Bhairavi - Dakshinamurti 6. Chinamaste - Shiva-Kabandha 7. Dhumavati - 8. Bagalamukhi - Maharudra 9. Matangi - Shiva Matanga 10. Kamalatmika - Sadashiva These are the Mahavidya (left) and their spouses (right side). See that Mahatripurasundari's spouse is Somanatha, and surely the name Soma-Natha implies that he is the Jyotirlinga associated with the Moon. But in your list Moon is Kali, so where are we at now with the logic you used and the list you have derived? Again I re-iterate that the logic you have used is not right as it cannot be replicated. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti Narasimha P.V.R. Rao skrev: Namaste friends, > Narasimha's list is his own invention... Parasara *equated* planets to dasavataras of Vishnu in Brihat Paaraasara Horaa Saastram, an authoritative Jyotish treatise. As you can see in the verse quoted by Narayan below, dasavataras of Vishnu are *equated* to dasa mahavidyas in Munda Maalaa Tantra, a respected tantra treatise regarding mahavidyas. For example, "kR^iShnastu kaalikaa saakShaat raamamUrtishca taariNI" literally means "Krishna is literally Kaalika and Rama is Taarini". In Hindi, it can be translated as "Krishen ji to saakshaat Kaalika hain and Raam ji Taarini hain". * * * If a and b are *equated* and also b and c are *equated*, it is logical to infer that a and c can be equated. It is mischievous to label this logical inference as my "own invention". The philosophical justification of the mapping is mine, but the list is NOT my invention. Those who want to accept the list given by author Bhattacharya, who, according to Sarbani, does not quote a scriptural basis for his list, are free to do so. But it is mischievous to call what I gave as my "own invention". Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http:/ /www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > ??? ??? ????? > Dear Sarbani and Swee, Namaskar. > The verse that Narayan Iyer has given mentions nothing about the Graha > corresponding to the Mahavidya. The verse is otherwise mentioned in MANY > tantras and is a well known one which shows which Mahavidya corresponds > to which Vishnu Avatara. > Narasimha has merely inferred the Graha linkages and therefore the list > is his own research and is NOT supported by any treatise at all. > In fact everyone SHOULD be encouraged to follow the list given by Sri > Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, as he HAS given a direct list of Graha and > corresponding Mahavidya. Narasimha's list is his own invention... the > sloka mentions nothing about the graha linkages. > > Just because Parasara equates Sun to Rama we should think Sun should > also be Tarini as per the Mahavidya-Vishnu avatara link? This is not a > proper logic, in fact when we were taught the Agni Purana on the second > year of Jaimini Sutras, and the names of Vishnu therein, we saw a > completely different concept of mapping of the grahas to the name of the > avataras. > This mapping that Narasimha has suggested is simply not acceptable as it > is too simple an explanation, and doesn't bring out the real importance > as to how the Mahavidya and Vishnu Avatara are connected. I.e. how the > left foot corresponds to Tara and the right hand corresponds to Rama, > whilst the right foot is Kali and the left hand is Krishna and how the > hands and feet walk together in sync showing the Gati (feet) and karma > (hands) that are connected. This itself was taught to us on the first year. > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > ---------- > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > www: http://srigaruda.com > @: visti > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao skrev: > > > > > > Dear Swee, > > > > > If you do not mind, Munda literally means "demon"?????????? - so the > > list > > > you have given below is not for the purpose of internal yagna but for > > > causing pain to others, which I believe is opposite of what you are > > trying > > > to teach. > > > > Munda does not have such a meaning at all. It means a head, > > especially a shaved head. It also symbolizes ego. Munda maala is a > > garland of heads and symbolizes the endless cycle of birth, death and > > rebirth. > > > > * * * > > > > Dear Sarbani, > > > > Good to hear from you! Please convey my regards to Sanjay ji. > > > > > Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, > > "Jyotish > > > Kalpa-Vriksha" has quoted from the tantra thus: > > > > > > <verse..see below> > > > > > > He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. > > > > Thank you for giving a classical reference to the SJC version of > > planet-Mahavidya mapping. Do you know when Sri Narayanchandra > > Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya lived? If he does not name the tantra that > > he "has quoted from", that is not helpful. Munda Maala Tantra, on the > > other hand, is a respected Tantra text. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > > Spirituality: > > <> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa >, > > "Sarbani Rath" <sarbani@> wrote: > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, > > > > > > Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, > > "Jyotish > > > Kalpa-Vriksha" has quoted from the tantra thus: > > > > > > Divaakarasya Matangi Chandrasya Bhuvaneshvari > > > Kujasya Bagalaadevi Budhasya Parasundari. > > > Tara Brihaspateshchaiva Shukrasya Kamaltmika > > > Shanestu Dakshinakaali Grahanaamishtadevtaa.. > > > Chhinnamastaa Tathaa Raahoh Ketordhumavati Tathaa. > > > > > > He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. He has further > > proceeded > > > to construct a table called Sarbadukhaharachakramidam, where he has > > mapped > > > the planets with the Dashavatars and the Dasha Mahavidyas. It might > > be of > > > intereste to you. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/ <http://sarbani.com/>> > > http://sarbani.com <http://sarbani.com> > > > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/ > > <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>> > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com <http://sagittariuspublications.com> > > > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/ <http://sohamsa.com/>> > > http://sohamsa.com <http://sohamsa.com> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/ > > <http://.org/>> http://.org > > <http://.org> > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa >, Swee > > Chan <sweechan@> wrote: > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > If you do not mind, Munda literally means "demon"?????????? - so the > > list > > > you have given below is not for the purpose of internal yagna but for > > > causing pain to others, which I believe is opposite of what you are > > trying > > > to teach. > > > > > > According to my Guru, Chhinnamasta is akin to Rahu, fierce and its vidya > > > quells the rebellious aspect of the enemy. Nothing to do with > > cleansing the > > > Indriya per se, but the prevailing external forces which we can map > > to our > > > horoscopes. Parasara of course teaches us that it is not one, but two or > > > more malefics that causes such pain. > > > > > > Baglamukhi is Mars, since she helps in lawsuits and contentious > > issues with > > > land. Both issues point to Mars as the karaka in learner jyotish. > > Whilst we > > > are at it, I am surprised you did not but her in the category of > > Venus, the > > > 2nd house lord of the natural horoscope and speech.since Bablamukhi is > > > number one for causing stambhan. > > > > > > You may enjoy reading the Narada Purana with its wonderful > > exposition on the > > > expansions of the shaktis and get a better idea on the same, since it is > > > evident that you have given a list off the cuff and off course. > > > > > > Thanks for reading. > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Swee > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa > > > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > > > 06 June 2009 22:54 > > > > > > Cc: vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology >; > > ; > > > sohamsa <sohamsa > > > > Planets and Dasa Mahavidyas > > > > > > Dear Narayan, > > > > > > Thanks for the verse from Munda Maalaa Tantra. Out of all > > planet-mahavidya > > > mappings I have seen, this is the most philosophically sound mapping. > > > > > > Sun - Taaraa - Raama > > > Moon - Kaali - Krishna > > > Mars - Bhairavi - Nrisimha > > > Mercury - Maatangi - Buddha > > > Jupiter - Dhumaavati - Vaamana > > > Venus - Chhinnamastaa - Bhaargava Rama > > > Saturn - Bagalamukhi - Koorma > > > Rahu - Bhuvaneswari - Varaaha > > > Ketu - Kamala - Matsya > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Vidya is knowledge. Mahavidya is supreme knowledge. Dasa mahavidyas > > are the > > > ten highest forms of knowledge that take us to moksha or liberation, > > > approaching from different angles. Other kinds of knowledge (e.g. > > > mathematics, physics, astronomy, astrology, grammar etc) do not > > liberate us. > > > But these ten kinds of knowledge liberate us. The deities (names and > > forms > > > described in books for ten mahavidyas) are personifications of those ten > > > types of supreme knowledge that liberate us. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Please note one thing here. Moksha means overcoming the maayaa of the > > > duality around us. Seeing some things as desirable, some as undesirable, > > > some as pleasurable, some as painful, some as beautiful, some as > > ugly etc is > > > what binds us. Overcoming the duality and seeing all as Brahman is > > > liberation or moksha. > > > > > > Different planets represent different aspects of our selves. The duality > > > around us and the way to overcome it seem different from different > > angles. > > > From the point of view of individual soul (Sun), this maayaa is > > something > > > that needs to be overcome by crossing and reaching the other end > > (supreme > > > cosmic soul). >From the point of view of mind (Moon), this duality is > > > something that clouds the vision and needs to be destroyed so that > > it cannot > > > tempt again. From the point of view of the intellect/discrimination/dhee > > > (Jupiter), it issomething that is non-existent anyway ("so what was the > > > problem in the first place?"), like shapes made of smoke. From the > > point of > > > view of initiative and energy within us (Mars), it is something that > > needs > > > to be fought hard and fearlessly. From the point of view of the learning > > > ability within us (Mercury), it is something that needs to be learnt and > > > understood fully so that we can overcome it. From the point of view of > > > enjoyment and happiness (Venus), it is something that needs to be > > accepted > > > and enjoyed and not something to fear or avoid ("after all, all is > > Brahman. > > > Then why stay away from enjoyments?"). And so on. > > > > > > But remember one important thing. Whichever approach is taken to > > overcoming > > > duality, the end result is the same. One first masters the approach. It > > > becomes part of one's common sense and thinking. One eventually > > overcomes > > > duality. One becomes self-realized and becomes liberated. That end > > result is > > > the same irrespective of the approach chosen. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Sun is the soul within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from > > delving > > > deep into this aspect is what makes one wade (tar=swim/wade/cross) > > the ocean > > > of delusion and get to the source. If you master the knowledge that > > helps > > > one view the world as an ocean that needs to be crossed to reach the > > > supreme, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. > > Taaraa > > > personifies this knowledge. > > > > > > Moon is the mind within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from > > > delving deep into this aspect is an understanding of attachments and > > > desires, their impermanence and how to kill them. If you master the > > > knowledge that kills all attachments and desires and gives perfect > > control > > > on the mind, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. > > > Kaali personifies this knowledge. > > > > > > Mars is the energy and initiative within us. The highest form of > > knowledge > > > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one > > fearlessness of > > > anything in the universe. If you master the knowledge that makes you > > utterly > > > fearless and you do not fear anything (including death or pain!) other > > > things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bhairavi > > personifies > > > this knowledge. > > > > > > Mercury is knowledge and learning ability within us. The highest form of > > > knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one > > > learning of various topics. If you master the knowledge that give you > > > mastery of all kinds of learning through logical and rational thinking, > > > other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Maatangi > > > personifies this knowledge. In fact, some people associate Maatangi with > > > Saraswati. Saraswati is also known as "Maatanga Kanya". > > > > > > Jupiter is the intellect, wisdom and discrimination (dhee shakti) > > within us. > > > The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this > > aspect is > > > that all is delusion. The individual soul and individual mind and > > everything > > > they perceive is just an illusion. All that is there is Brahman. Any > > other > > > perceptions, of various good or bad things, are just a delusion, like > > > figures made of smoke. If you master the knowledge that makes your > > intellect > > > shine, you will realize that the entire world is a delusion and not > > deluded > > > by anything anymore. Then other things will follow and you > > eventually get > > > liberation. Dhumaavati personifies this knowledge. > > > > > > Venus is the spirit of enjoyment and bliss. The highest form of > > knowledge > > > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one egoless and > > > blissful. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly > > fearless and > > > you do not fear anything, including death or pain, other things will > > follow > > > and you eventually get liberation. Chhinnamasta personifies this > > knowledge. > > > She is depicted as a deity holding her own severed head, standing near a > > > naked couple in copulation and surrounded by associates who are drinking > > > wine. One mastering this knowledge need not stay away from any > > pleasures, > > > but one learns to see god even those pleasures. However, pleasure > > obtained > > > with an ego ("*I* am enjoying this act or object") binds. The > > headless state > > > symbolizes egolessness. If one has overcome I-ness, pleasures are not > > > binding. One not thinking in terms of "*I* am enjoying" but having > > no sense > > > of "I" can live life without running away from any pleasures or > > undertaking > > > any austerities and yet become liberated. > > > > > > Saturn is the spirit of hard work within us. He also represents our > > > weaknesses and sins. The highest form of knowledge coming from > > delving deep > > > into this aspect is what makes us realize our internal enemies and > > destroy > > > them. If you master the knowledge that makes you overcome weaknesses > > such as > > > laziness and internal enemies such as lust, anger, greed, jealosy > > etc, other > > > things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bagalamukhi > > > personifies this knowledge. Most of her mantras ask to destroy > > enemies and > > > so people foolishly think that she is the one who gives success in > > > litigation and worship her for court cases. This is like going to a > > king to > > > ask for two spoons of sugar for your milk. You go to the king for bigger > > > things and a neighbor is enough for giving you two spoons of sugar. The > > > enemies destroyed by Bagalamukhi are internal enemies and your own > > laziness. > > > Remember, she is a mahavidya, i.e. a type of supreme knowledge that > > > liberates you! > > > > > > Rahu is the spirit of material well-being within us. Rahu is the one who > > > binds us to rebirth (this is why Saturn showing sins and Rahu showing > > > rebirth are important in the death chart). The highest form of knowledge > > > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives us worldly > > success > > > in a dhaarmik way. If you master the knowledge that makes you materially > > > successful in a dharmik way, you become successful and fulfil all your > > > duties and debts in the world and eventually get liberation. > > Bhuvaneswari > > > personifies this knowledge. > > > > > > Ketu is the spirit of of detachment and Vedic knowledge within us. The > > > highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect > > is the > > > essense of Veda. If you master the knowledge that enables you to be in > > > oneness with the supreme cosmic being, you eventually get > > liberation. Kamala > > > (Mahaalakshmi) personifies this knowledge. According to saptashati > > rahasya > > > also, Mahaalakshmi is the Aadyaa (the first One). She is the energy of > > > supreme cosmic being. She divides Herself into 3 parts - Mahaakaali, > > > Mahaalakshmi and MahaaSaraswati and they create Brahma, Vishnu, > > Shiva and > > > their consorts. Kamala represents the knowledge of the supreme > > cosmic energy > > > of the supreme cosmic being. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > One of the above is not superior to the other. Depending on your vasanas > > > (mental conditioning), attitudes, likes and dislikes, depending on which > > > aspect of your personality dominates over other aspects (the > > sinfulness and > > > weaknesses? or the interest in learning things? or the spirit of > > fighting? > > > or the sense of enjoyment? etc), one Mahavidya may be more suitable than > > > others, as that knowledge uses your strong aspect and moulds that > > aspect to > > > take you towards liberation. Do not compare them. Take the one that > > is most > > > suitable, but do master that aspect. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > There are some who do Dasa Mahavidya sadhana by doing one > > Mahavidya's mantra > > > for one month, then switch to another and so on. They think that by > > doing > > > each mahavidya mantra for a certain count, they "finish" the mahavidya > > > sadhana. This is wrong and serves no useful purpose. Instead, one should > > > pick any ONE mahavidya and succeed in that sadhana. The definition of > > > success is that the knowledge represented by that deity becomes part > > of your > > > common sense - you understand that knowledge and ooze that knowledge > > in your > > > thoughts and actions. Whether you experience the deity as an external > > > human-like form (who may impart some knowledge to you) or as an internal > > > human-like form or as light or as sound is secondary, but the end result > > > should be that the knowledge represented by Her should become common > > sense > > > and second nature to you. One claiming visions or siddhi of a > > mahavidya but > > > not showing the corresponding knowledge is bluffing. > > > > > > There are many people who do mahavidya sadhana and yet many others > > who claim > > > to have siddhi in one or more mahavidyas, but very few who actually > > possess > > > any of the ten mahavidyas. The area of mahavidya sadhana is one of > > the most > > > ill-understood in today's age of ignorance and half-baked knowledge. > > It is > > > easier to possess lower vidyas or lower shaktis, but mahavidyas are > > beyond > > > the capability of understanding for most people. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > > > Spirituality: < > > <>> > > > > > <> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <http://www.SriJagannath.org > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org>> > > > http://www.SriJagannath.org <http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > > > > > - > > > "naaraayana_iyer" < <narayan.iyer > > <narayan.iyer> > > > narayan.iyer@> > > > < < > > > > > > > > > Friday, June 05, 2009 9:58 AM > > > Re: Rama as God > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > > > > > Here's what the Mundamala Tantra states (not in correct itrans > > format): > > > > > > > > kriShnaastu kaalika saakshaat raamamoortischa taariNii | > > > > vaaraaho bhuvana prokta nrsimho bharavishvarii || > > > > dhoomavatii vamanaH syaat chinnaa bhrighukulodbhavaAH | > > > > kamalaa matsyaroopaAH syaat koormastu bagalamukhii || > > > > maatangii baudh ityeSHa Shodashii kalkiroopinii || > > > > > > > > Some of the reason for the mapping given is: > > > > > > > > Varaha as the boar that dug deep to uplift Mother Earth > > (Bhuvaneshvari) > > > > Bhairavi is the burning tapas of that shoots forth and destroys > > all evil > > > > but not to aspirants (like Narasimha deva being kind to Prahalada) > > > > Parasurama cut the head of his mother Renuka (Chinnamasta) > > > > Kamalatmika robed in the waters of consciousness is behind the > > Matsya the > > > > primordial fish in the vivifying waters of creation. > > > > Bagalamukhi is stifling force of Kurma avtara that lies still and > > > > motionless withdrawing its limbs into itself. > > > > Matangi is the Vaikhari Vak behind the avatara of Buddha who had > > come to > > > > articulate the message of truth. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Narayan > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > , > > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dear Narayan, > > > >> > > > >> Todala tantra also maps Vishnu's ten incarnations to Dasa maha > > vidyas. > > > >> Krishna is associated with Kaali there too. However, Shiva teaches > > > >> Parvati > > > >> in Todala tantra that Maatangi is Rama. Can you give the full list of > > > >> mapping as given in Munda maalaa tantra? > > > >> > > > >> Best regards, > > > >> Narasimha > > > >> > > > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > > > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > > > >> Spirituality: < > > <>> > > > > > <> > > > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> > > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <http://www.SriJagannath.org > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org>> > > > http://www.SriJagannath.org <http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> - > > > >> "naaraayana_iyer" <narayan.iyer@> > > > >> < < > > > > > > > > > >> Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:07 AM > > > >> Re: Rama as God > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Namaste Rajarshiji, > > > >> > > > > >> >> As a corollary, can the path shown by Lord Rama be equated to > > the path > > > > > > >> >> of > > > >> >> Dakshina Kali and that of Krishna as Vama Kali. > > > >> > > > > >> > Actually, Krishna is equated to Kali, as per the Munda Mala Tantra. > > > >> > Krishna's beeja akshara is Kleem while Kali's beeja akshara is > > Kreem. > > > >> > Whereas, Rama is equated to Taaraa, the Raama Naama is called the > > > >> > Taaraka > > > >> > mantra. Taaraa means crossing and she is the one who helps us > > > >> > cross-over > > > >> > from the material plane to the spiritual plane. Raama also had > > to cross > > > >> > the ocean to get Sita. Esoterically, Raama is the soul, > > Lakshmana is > > > >> > the > > > >> > single-pointed concentration (lakshya-mana) and Sita is the > > Kundalini > > > >> > Shakti. Raavana who stands for our material desires steals Sita > > and > > > >> > takes > > > >> > her away to Lanka, stands for how our material desires makes the > > > >> > kundalini > > > >> > remain in the mooladhara. The beeja akshara of Mooladhaara is Lam, > > > >> > which > > > >> > is what Lanka is. > > > >> > > > > >> > Munda Maala tantra has other parallels (equating Das Mahaavidya > > & Das > > > >> > Avataara) too, some of which makes sense and some of them dont. > > > >> > > > > >> > Hope this helps. > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks > > > >> > Narayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 RESPECTED ELDERS I AM NEITHER CAPABLE NOR WISH TO INTERFERE IN THIS DISCUSSIONS BUT BEING A SUFFERER AND LAWYER BY PROFESSION AND NATURE, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT ONE SHOULD BELIEVE IN ONLY THOSE ASTROLOGICAL PRINCIPLES WHICH HAVE SOME CLASSICAL REFERENCE (WHICH PEOPLE AVOID GIVING) AND STOOD THE TESTING ENDORSEMENT FROM A GURU OR TEACHER OF REPUTE. IT IS MY PERSONAL OPINION THAT WHAT GURU / TEACHER HAS LEARNT FROM LEGACY OR LONG EXPERIENCE IS MORE WORTHY THEN MERE REFERENCE AS THERE MAY BE ABSURD OR INCOMPREHENSIVE REFERENCES ALSO WHICH DO NOT HAVE ANY MEANING IN MODERN CONTEXT. ONE SHOULD ENSURE ABOUT VALIDITY OF ANY PRINCIPLE ONLY THEN HE SHOULD SPELL IT OUT BECAUSE WRONG THINGS CAUSE SERIOUS DAMAGES AND BRING DISREPUTE. REGARDS RAKESH SHARMA --- On Sun, 7/6/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr [vedic astrology] Re: Planets and Dasa Mahavidyas sohamsa , vedic astrology , Sunday, 7 June, 2009, 9:42 PM Namaste friends, > Narasimha's list is his own invention... Parasara *equated* planets to dasavataras of Vishnu in Brihat Paaraasara Horaa Saastram, an authoritative Jyotish treatise. As you can see in the verse quoted by Narayan below, dasavataras of Vishnu are *equated* to dasa mahavidyas in Munda Maalaa Tantra, a respected tantra treatise regarding mahavidyas. For example, " kR^iShnastu kaalikaa saakShaat raamamUrtishca taariNI " literally means " Krishna is literally Kaalika and Rama is Taarini " . In Hindi, it can be translated as " Krishen ji to saakshaat Kaalika hain and Raam ji Taarini hain " . * * * If a and b are *equated* and also b and c are *equated*, it is logical to infer that a and c can be equated. It is mischievous to label this logical inference as my " own invention " . The philosophical justification of the mapping is mine, but the list is NOT my invention. Those who want to accept the list given by author Bhattacharya, who, according to Sarbani, does not quote a scriptural basis for his list, are free to do so. But it is mischievous to call what I gave as my " own invention " . Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - sohamsa@ .com, Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > ??? ??? ????? > Dear Sarbani and Swee, Namaskar. > The verse that Narayan Iyer has given mentions nothing about the Graha > corresponding to the Mahavidya. The verse is otherwise mentioned in MANY > tantras and is a well known one which shows which Mahavidya corresponds > to which Vishnu Avatara. > Narasimha has merely inferred the Graha linkages and therefore the list > is his own research and is NOT supported by any treatise at all. > In fact everyone SHOULD be encouraged to follow the list given by Sri > Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, as he HAS given a direct list of Graha and > corresponding Mahavidya. Narasimha's list is his own invention... the > sloka mentions nothing about the graha linkages. > > Just because Parasara equates Sun to Rama we should think Sun should > also be Tarini as per the Mahavidya-Vishnu avatara link? This is not a > proper logic, in fact when we were taught the Agni Purana on the second > year of Jaimini Sutras, and the names of Vishnu therein, we saw a > completely different concept of mapping of the grahas to the name of the > avataras. > This mapping that Narasimha has suggested is simply not acceptable as it > is too simple an explanation, and doesn't bring out the real importance > as to how the Mahavidya and Vishnu Avatara are connected. I.e. how the > left foot corresponds to Tara and the right hand corresponds to Rama, > whilst the right foot is Kali and the left hand is Krishna and how the > hands and feet walk together in sync showing the Gati (feet) and karma > (hands) that are connected. This itself was taught to us on the first year. > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---- > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > www: http://srigaruda. com > @: visti > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao skrev: > > > > > > Dear Swee, > > > > > If you do not mind, Munda literally means " demon " ????? ????? - so the > > list > > > you have given below is not for the purpose of internal yagna but for > > > causing pain to others, which I believe is opposite of what you are > > trying > > > to teach. > > > > Munda does not have such a meaning at all. It means a head, > > especially a shaved head. It also symbolizes ego. Munda maala is a > > garland of heads and symbolizes the endless cycle of birth, death and > > rebirth. > > > > * * * > > > > Dear Sarbani, > > > > Good to hear from you! Please convey my regards to Sanjay ji. > > > > > Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, > > " Jyotish > > > Kalpa-Vriksha " has quoted from the tantra thus: > > > > > > <verse..see below> > > > > > > He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. > > > > Thank you for giving a classical reference to the SJC version of > > planet-Mahavidya mapping. Do you know when Sri Narayanchandra > > Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya lived? If he does not name the tantra that > > he " has quoted from " , that is not helpful. Munda Maala Tantra, on the > > other hand, is a respected Tantra text. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > <http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > <http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > <http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa@ .com>, > > " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani@> wrote: > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, > > > > > > Sri Narayanchandra Jyotirbhushan Bhattacharya, in his epic tome, > > " Jyotish > > > Kalpa-Vriksha " has quoted from the tantra thus: > > > > > > Divaakarasya Matangi Chandrasya Bhuvaneshvari > > > Kujasya Bagalaadevi Budhasya Parasundari. > > > Tara Brihaspateshchaiva Shukrasya Kamaltmika > > > Shanestu Dakshinakaali Grahanaamishtadevta a.. > > > Chhinnamastaa Tathaa Raahoh Ketordhumavati Tathaa. > > > > > > He does not mention the name of the tantra, though. He has further > > proceeded > > > to construct a table called Sarbadukhaharachakr amidam, where he has > > mapped > > > the planets with the Dashavatars and the Dasha Mahavidyas. It might > > be of > > > intereste to you. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani. com/ <http://sarbani. com/>> > > http://sarbani. com <http://sarbani. com> > > > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariusp ublications. com/ > > <http://sagittariusp ublications. com/>> > > > http://sagittariusp ublications. com <http://sagittariusp ublications.. com> > > > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa. com/ <http://sohamsa. com/>> > > http://sohamsa. com <http://sohamsa. com> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http:// .org/ > > <http:// .org/>> http:// .org > > <http:// .org> > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa@ .com>, Swee > > Chan <sweechan@> wrote: > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > Dear Narasimha, > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > If you do not mind, Munda literally means " demon " ????? ????? - so the > > list > > > you have given below is not for the purpose of internal yagna but for > > > causing pain to others, which I believe is opposite of what you are > > trying > > > to teach. > > > > > > According to my Guru, Chhinnamasta is akin to Rahu, fierce and its vidya > > > quells the rebellious aspect of the enemy. Nothing to do with > > cleansing the > > > Indriya per se, but the prevailing external forces which we can map > > to our > > > horoscopes. Parasara of course teaches us that it is not one, but two or > > > more malefics that causes such pain. > > > > > > Baglamukhi is Mars, since she helps in lawsuits and contentious > > issues with > > > land. Both issues point to Mars as the karaka in learner jyotish. > > Whilst we > > > are at it, I am surprised you did not but her in the category of > > Venus, the > > > 2nd house lord of the natural horoscope and speech.since Bablamukhi is > > > number one for causing stambhan. > > > > > > You may enjoy reading the Narada Purana with its wonderful > > exposition on the > > > expansions of the shaktis and get a better idea on the same, since it is > > > evident that you have given a list off the cuff and off course. > > > > > > Thanks for reading. > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Swee > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa@ .com> > > [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf Of > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > > > 06 June 2009 22:54 > > > <> > > > Cc: vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology>; > > <>; > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa@ .com> > > > Planets and Dasa Mahavidyas > > > > > > Dear Narayan, > > > > > > Thanks for the verse from Munda Maalaa Tantra. Out of all > > planet-mahavidya > > > mappings I have seen, this is the most philosophically sound mapping. > > > > > > Sun - Taaraa - Raama > > > Moon - Kaali - Krishna > > > Mars - Bhairavi - Nrisimha > > > Mercury - Maatangi - Buddha > > > Jupiter - Dhumaavati - Vaamana > > > Venus - Chhinnamastaa - Bhaargava Rama > > > Saturn - Bagalamukhi - Koorma > > > Rahu - Bhuvaneswari - Varaaha > > > Ketu - Kamala - Matsya > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Vidya is knowledge. Mahavidya is supreme knowledge. Dasa mahavidyas > > are the > > > ten highest forms of knowledge that take us to moksha or liberation, > > > approaching from different angles. Other kinds of knowledge (e.g. > > > mathematics, physics, astronomy, astrology, grammar etc) do not > > liberate us. > > > But these ten kinds of knowledge liberate us. The deities (names and > > forms > > > described in books for ten mahavidyas) are personifications of those ten > > > types of supreme knowledge that liberate us. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Please note one thing here. Moksha means overcoming the maayaa of the > > > duality around us. Seeing some things as desirable, some as undesirable, > > > some as pleasurable, some as painful, some as beautiful, some as > > ugly etc is > > > what binds us. Overcoming the duality and seeing all as Brahman is > > > liberation or moksha. > > > > > > Different planets represent different aspects of our selves. The duality > > > around us and the way to overcome it seem different from different > > angles. > > > From the point of view of individual soul (Sun), this maayaa is > > something > > > that needs to be overcome by crossing and reaching the other end > > (supreme > > > cosmic soul). >From the point of view of mind (Moon), this duality is > > > something that clouds the vision and needs to be destroyed so that > > it cannot > > > tempt again. From the point of view of the intellect/discrimin ation/dhee > > > (Jupiter), it issomething that is non-existent anyway ( " so what was the > > > problem in the first place? " ), like shapes made of smoke. From the > > point of > > > view of initiative and energy within us (Mars), it is something that > > needs > > > to be fought hard and fearlessly. From the point of view of the learning > > > ability within us (Mercury), it is something that needs to be learnt and > > > understood fully so that we can overcome it. From the point of view of > > > enjoyment and happiness (Venus), it is something that needs to be > > accepted > > > and enjoyed and not something to fear or avoid ( " after all, all is > > Brahman. > > > Then why stay away from enjoyments? " ). And so on. > > > > > > But remember one important thing. Whichever approach is taken to > > overcoming > > > duality, the end result is the same. One first masters the approach. It > > > becomes part of one's common sense and thinking. One eventually > > overcomes > > > duality. One becomes self-realized and becomes liberated. That end > > result is > > > the same irrespective of the approach chosen. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Sun is the soul within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from > > delving > > > deep into this aspect is what makes one wade (tar=swim/wade/ cross) > > the ocean > > > of delusion and get to the source. If you master the knowledge that > > helps > > > one view the world as an ocean that needs to be crossed to reach the > > > supreme, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. > > Taaraa > > > personifies this knowledge. > > > > > > Moon is the mind within us. The highest form of knowledge coming from > > > delving deep into this aspect is an understanding of attachments and > > > desires, their impermanence and how to kill them. If you master the > > > knowledge that kills all attachments and desires and gives perfect > > control > > > on the mind, other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. > > > Kaali personifies this knowledge. > > > > > > Mars is the energy and initiative within us. The highest form of > > knowledge > > > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one > > fearlessness of > > > anything in the universe. If you master the knowledge that makes you > > utterly > > > fearless and you do not fear anything (including death or pain!) other > > > things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bhairavi > > personifies > > > this knowledge. > > > > > > Mercury is knowledge and learning ability within us. The highest form of > > > knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives one > > > learning of various topics. If you master the knowledge that give you > > > mastery of all kinds of learning through logical and rational thinking, > > > other things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Maatangi > > > personifies this knowledge. In fact, some people associate Maatangi with > > > Saraswati. Saraswati is also known as " Maatanga Kanya " . > > > > > > Jupiter is the intellect, wisdom and discrimination (dhee shakti) > > within us. > > > The highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this > > aspect is > > > that all is delusion. The individual soul and individual mind and > > everything > > > they perceive is just an illusion. All that is there is Brahman. Any > > other > > > perceptions, of various good or bad things, are just a delusion, like > > > figures made of smoke. If you master the knowledge that makes your > > intellect > > > shine, you will realize that the entire world is a delusion and not > > deluded > > > by anything anymore. Then other things will follow and you > > eventually get > > > liberation. Dhumaavati personifies this knowledge. > > > > > > Venus is the spirit of enjoyment and bliss. The highest form of > > knowledge > > > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what makes one egoless and > > > blissful. If you master the knowledge that makes you utterly > > fearless and > > > you do not fear anything, including death or pain, other things will > > follow > > > and you eventually get liberation. Chhinnamasta personifies this > > knowledge. > > > She is depicted as a deity holding her own severed head, standing near a > > > naked couple in copulation and surrounded by associates who are drinking > > > wine. One mastering this knowledge need not stay away from any > > pleasures, > > > but one learns to see god even those pleasures. However, pleasure > > obtained > > > with an ego ( " *I* am enjoying this act or object " ) binds. The > > headless state > > > symbolizes egolessness. If one has overcome I-ness, pleasures are not > > > binding. One not thinking in terms of " *I* am enjoying " but having > > no sense > > > of " I " can live life without running away from any pleasures or > > undertaking > > > any austerities and yet become liberated. > > > > > > Saturn is the spirit of hard work within us. He also represents our > > > weaknesses and sins. The highest form of knowledge coming from > > delving deep > > > into this aspect is what makes us realize our internal enemies and > > destroy > > > them. If you master the knowledge that makes you overcome weaknesses > > such as > > > laziness and internal enemies such as lust, anger, greed, jealosy > > etc, other > > > things will follow and you eventually get liberation. Bagalamukhi > > > personifies this knowledge. Most of her mantras ask to destroy > > enemies and > > > so people foolishly think that she is the one who gives success in > > > litigation and worship her for court cases. This is like going to a > > king to > > > ask for two spoons of sugar for your milk. You go to the king for bigger > > > things and a neighbor is enough for giving you two spoons of sugar. The > > > enemies destroyed by Bagalamukhi are internal enemies and your own > > laziness. > > > Remember, she is a mahavidya, i.e. a type of supreme knowledge that > > > liberates you! > > > > > > Rahu is the spirit of material well-being within us. Rahu is the one who > > > binds us to rebirth (this is why Saturn showing sins and Rahu showing > > > rebirth are important in the death chart). The highest form of knowledge > > > coming from delving deep into this aspect is what gives us worldly > > success > > > in a dhaarmik way. If you master the knowledge that makes you materially > > > successful in a dharmik way, you become successful and fulfil all your > > > duties and debts in the world and eventually get liberation. > > Bhuvaneswari > > > personifies this knowledge. > > > > > > Ketu is the spirit of of detachment and Vedic knowledge within us. The > > > highest form of knowledge coming from delving deep into this aspect > > is the > > > essense of Veda. If you master the knowledge that enables you to be in > > > oneness with the supreme cosmic being, you eventually get > > liberation. Kamala > > > (Mahaalakshmi) personifies this knowledge. According to saptashati > > rahasya > > > also, Mahaalakshmi is the Aadyaa (the first One). She is the energy of > > > supreme cosmic being. She divides Herself into 3 parts - Mahaakaali, > > > Mahaalakshmi and MahaaSaraswati and they create Brahma, Vishnu, > > Shiva and > > > their consorts. Kamala represents the knowledge of the supreme > > cosmic energy > > > of the supreme cosmic being. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > One of the above is not superior to the other. Depending on your vasanas > > > (mental conditioning) , attitudes, likes and dislikes, depending on which > > > aspect of your personality dominates over other aspects (the > > sinfulness and > > > weaknesses? or the interest in learning things? or the spirit of > > fighting? > > > or the sense of enjoyment? etc), one Mahavidya may be more suitable than > > > others, as that knowledge uses your strong aspect and moulds that > > aspect to > > > take you towards liberation. Do not compare them. Take the one that > > is most > > > suitable, but do master that aspect. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > There are some who do Dasa Mahavidya sadhana by doing one > > Mahavidya's mantra > > > for one month, then switch to another and so on. They think that by > > doing > > > each mahavidya mantra for a certain count, they " finish " the mahavidya > > > sadhana. This is wrong and serves no useful purpose. Instead, one should > > > pick any ONE mahavidya and succeed in that sadhana. The definition of > > > success is that the knowledge represented by that deity becomes part > > of your > > > common sense - you understand that knowledge and ooze that knowledge > > in your > > > thoughts and actions. Whether you experience the deity as an external > > > human-like form (who may impart some knowledge to you) or as an internal > > > human-like form or as light or as sound is secondary, but the end result > > > should be that the knowledge represented by Her should become common > > sense > > > and second nature to you. One claiming visions or siddhi of a > > mahavidya but > > > not showing the corresponding knowledge is bluffing. > > > > > > There are many people who do mahavidya sadhana and yet many others > > who claim > > > to have siddhi in one or more mahavidyas, but very few who actually > > possess > > > any of the ten mahavidyas. The area of mahavidya sadhana is one of > > the most > > > ill-understood in today's age of ignorance and half-baked knowledge. > > It is > > > easier to possess lower vidyas or lower shaktis, but mahavidyas are > > beyond > > > the capability of understanding for most people. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam>> > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana>> > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> > > > Spirituality: <http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > <http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom>> > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > <http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > <http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net>> > > > http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net <http://vedicastro. home.comcast.. net> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org>> > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > <http://www.SriJagan nath.org>> > > > http://www.SriJagan nath.org <http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > - > > > " naaraayana_ iyer " < <narayan. iyer > > <narayan. iyer> > > > > narayan.iyer@ > > > > < < > > <>> > > <>> > > > Friday, June 05, 2009 9:58 AM > > > Re: Rama as God > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > > > > > Here's what the Mundamala Tantra states (not in correct itrans > > format): > > > > > > > > kriShnaastu kaalika saakshaat raamamoortischa taariNii | > > > > vaaraaho bhuvana prokta nrsimho bharavishvarii || > > > > dhoomavatii vamanaH syaat chinnaa bhrighukulodbhavaAH | > > > > kamalaa matsyaroopaAH syaat koormastu bagalamukhii || > > > > maatangii baudh ityeSHa Shodashii kalkiroopinii || > > > > > > > > Some of the reason for the mapping given is: > > > > > > > > Varaha as the boar that dug deep to uplift Mother Earth > > (Bhuvaneshvari) > > > > Bhairavi is the burning tapas of that shoots forth and destroys > > all evil > > > > but not to aspirants (like Narasimha deva being kind to Prahalada) > > > > Parasurama cut the head of his mother Renuka (Chinnamasta) > > > > Kamalatmika robed in the waters of consciousness is behind the > > Matsya the > > > > primordial fish in the vivifying waters of creation. > > > > Bagalamukhi is stifling force of Kurma avtara that lies still and > > > > motionless withdrawing its limbs into itself. > > > > Matangi is the Vaikhari Vak behind the avatara of Buddha who had > > come to > > > > articulate the message of truth. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Narayan > > > > > > > > < > > <>> > > > <>, > > " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dear Narayan, > > > >> > > > >> Todala tantra also maps Vishnu's ten incarnations to Dasa maha > > vidyas. > > > >> Krishna is associated with Kaali there too. However, Shiva teaches > > > >> Parvati > > > >> in Todala tantra that Maatangi is Rama. Can you give the full list of > > > >> mapping as given in Munda maalaa tantra? > > > >> > > > >> Best regards, > > > >> Narasimha > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam>> > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> > > > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: > > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana>> > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> > > > >> Spirituality: <http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > <http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom>> > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > <http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > > > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): <http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > <http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net>> > > > http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net <http://vedicastro. home.comcast.. net> > > > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org>> > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > > > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: <http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > <http://www.SriJagan nath.org>> > > > http://www.SriJagan nath.org <http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > >> > > > >> - > > > >> " naaraayana_ iyer " <narayan.iyer@ > > > > >> < < > > <>> > > <>> > > > >> Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:07 AM > > > >> Re: Rama as God > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Namaste Rajarshiji, > > > >> > > > > >> >> As a corollary, can the path shown by Lord Rama be equated to > > the path > > > > > > >> >> of > > > >> >> Dakshina Kali and that of Krishna as Vama Kali. > > > >> > > > > >> > Actually, Krishna is equated to Kali, as per the Munda Mala Tantra. > > > >> > Krishna's beeja akshara is Kleem while Kali's beeja akshara is > > Kreem. > > > >> > Whereas, Rama is equated to Taaraa, the Raama Naama is called the > > > >> > Taaraka > > > >> > mantra. Taaraa means crossing and she is the one who helps us > > > >> > cross-over > > > >> > from the material plane to the spiritual plane. Raama also had > > to cross > > > >> > the ocean to get Sita. Esoterically, Raama is the soul, > > Lakshmana is > > > >> > the > > > >> > single-pointed concentration (lakshya-mana) and Sita is the > > Kundalini > > > >> > Shakti. Raavana who stands for our material desires steals Sita > > and > > > >> > takes > > > >> > her away to Lanka, stands for how our material desires makes the > > > >> > kundalini > > > >> > remain in the mooladhara. The beeja akshara of Mooladhaara is Lam, > > > >> > which > > > >> > is what Lanka is. > > > >> > > > > >> > Munda Maala tantra has other parallels (equating Das Mahaavidya > > & Das > > > >> > Avataara) too, some of which makes sense and some of them dont. > > > >> > > > > >> > Hope this helps. > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks > > > >> > Narayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundeep M Kurup Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Dasamahavidyas & Navagrahas 1. Kali - Para 2. Tara - Brihaspati 3. Tripurasundari - Surya 4. Bhuvanesvari - Chandra 5. Chinnamasta - Ketu 6. Bhairavi - Rahu 7. Dhumavati - Shani 8. Bagalamukhi - Mangala 9. Matangi - Budha 10. Kamala - Shukra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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