Fw: Kaul, just leave (Was: [hc] Fwd: Meshadi and Makaradi...)

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Nambiar,

 

Avtar Krishen Kaul has a safe place in the Hindu Civilization group to continue

his anti-Hinduism tirade.  Dr. R. N. Iyengar and the Moderator Ravi are against

Astrology, which is a part of the Jyotish-shastra, a Vedanga. So it amounts to

indirect (or is it direct?) encouragement from this duo and others like them  to

Kaul. When Dr. Kalyanaraman will realise what he is happening it may be too late

for him to act or has it already become so.

May be sooner or later all those lovers of Hinduism will have to leave that

forum to escape the exasperation day in and day out. 

 

Regards.

,

 

Sunil K.  Bhattacharjya

 

 

--- On Fri, 6/19/09, Sreedhar Nambiar <sreedhar.nambiar wrote:

 

 

Sreedhar Nambiar <sreedhar.nambiar

Fw: Kaul, just leave (Was: Re: [hc] Fwd:

Meshadi and Makaradi...)

 

Friday, June 19, 2009, 10:39 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Fri, 6/19/09, Jit Majumder <jitmajumder212@ .co. in> wrote:

 

 

Jit Majumder <jitmajumder212@ .co. in>

Kaul, just leave (Was: Re: [hc] Fwd: Meshadi and Makaradi.... )

hinducivilization

Friday, June 19, 2009, 1:17 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Kaul,

 

once again you have continued to keep on with the thread, with that same

bitter rotten title.

 

once again you have repeated the SAME things you have repeated for

dozens and dozens of times.

 

once again you have shown a total lack of sensibility by ignoring the

utter irritation of the list members.

 

once again you insist shamelessly on repeating a message that several

people have requested you very nicely to stop repeating.

 

once again you keep on and on and on about " vedic astrology " , " mangal " ,

" shani " etc. etc. etc. even as members get exaspearted by your

behaviour.

 

are you a frustrated old shitbrain? or are you simply disbalanced and

senile? or is it that you are some self-hating pervert who gets

gratification by acting like a total " bharwe " in e-groups and invite the

contempt and scorn of people who have now started to ask you directly to

leave the group? do you take some kiind of delight in joining forums,

and then being boo-ed out from them? are you sane enough to get the

message? or is it because you are an e-id to us who is not standing

before us, that you have so much " courage " to keep on disregarding what

people are asking you to do and feeling because of your

obssessive-compulsi ve behaviour?

 

chup karne ke liye kitna paisa leta hai??? gharwalo ke sath bhi aisa hi

karta hai kya raat-din?

 

after THIS, if you pretend not to get the message from us, and come back

with a reply instead of just shutting the fuck up, then we normal people

won't have anything else to say -- at least not in normal, usable

language. the rest is now really up to the owner and moderator. only

because this is the HC group can characters like you, and those others

can keep on doing this.

 

-- Jit.

 

hinducivilization, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@. ..> wrote:

>

> Shri Jai Maharaj ji,

> Namaskar!

> <Kaul, since you've asked, here's my response: leave this group.>

> Thank you for your suggestion!

> However, before I act upon it, kindly enlighten me about your

qualifications to call yourself a " Vedic Astrologer " . According to me,

" Vedic astrology " is the greatest fraud on the Vedas, since no Mesha,

Vrisha etc. Rashis in the Vedas have been deciphered by any of the

jyotishis, in any of the Vedas!

> Surprisingly, one of the " Vedic astrologers " claims that he has been

able to deciphr the " parkoshya " meaning, but then he says that leads to

so called nirayana rashis!

> Sushri Norelli-Bachelet and her hundreds of shishyas, including Dr.

Wilkinson, on the other hand, say that through their tapasya and yoga,

they have been " revealed " the nature of the zodiac, but it is so called

sayana!

> We also do not find any mention of planets like Mangal, Shani etc. in

the Vedas. Mercifully, none of the jyotishis whether sayana or nirayana,

has claimed yet that he/she has seen Mangal and Shani etc. through their

tapasya or as a " parokshya " meaning!

> Maybe you have some information about the " locatoin " of Mangal, Shani

etc. also in the Vedas, since you have been declaring yourself openly a

" Vedic astrologer " for the last several years. Kindly do give me the

Vedic references of planets also.

> <And shut down your Hindu Calendar group because you are trying to

mislead its members.>

> Members can judge for themselves as to who is misleading whom only

after there is a response from you to my request.

> Dhanyavad.

> A K Kaul

> hinducivilization, Jyotishi jyotish2000@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > On Thu, 6/18/09, Krishen Kaul jyotirved@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear List members,

> > > Namaskar!

> > > Pl. advise me as to what you would like me to do . . .

> >

> > Kaul, since you've asked, here's my response: leave this group.

That's what

> several members, evidently, as well as I suggest that you to do. You

banned me

> from your calendar group when I exposed your fraudulent ways; now you

are

> apparently on the verge of being banned from this group (and you have

already

> been banned from participating in many others). You have attempted to

insult a

> lot of people and tried to hurt them -- but you have failed. The Karm

Sheriff

> got you good. Whatever dignity you may have left, take it with you as

you leave.

> Do poojaa-paatth, spend time with you family, if you have one around

you, but

> astrology, astronomy and calendars are not going to be in your area of

> expertise. They never were. And shut down your Hindu Calendar group

because you

> are trying to mislead its members.

> >

> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi, Vedic Astrologer

> > Om Shanti

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Nambiar,

 

Avtar Krishen Kaul has a safe place in the Hindu Civilization group to continue

his anti-Hinduism tirade.  Dr. R. N. Iyengar and the Moderator Ravi are against

Astrology, which is a part of the Jyotish-shastra, a Vedanga. So it amounts to

indirect (or is it direct?) encouragement from this duo and others like them  to

Kaul. When Dr. Kalyanaraman will realise what he is happening it may be too late

for him to act or has it already become so.

May be sooner or later all those lovers of Hinduism will have to leave that

forum to escape the exasperation day in and day out. 

 

Regards.

,

 

Sunil K.  Bhattacharjya

 

 

--- On Fri, 6/19/09, Sreedhar Nambiar <sreedhar.nambiar wrote:

 

 

Sreedhar Nambiar <sreedhar.nambiar

Fw: Kaul, just leave (Was: Re: [hc] Fwd:

Meshadi and Makaradi...)

 

Friday, June 19, 2009, 10:39 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Fri, 6/19/09, Jit Majumder <jitmajumder212@ .co. in> wrote:

 

 

Jit Majumder <jitmajumder212@ .co. in>

Kaul, just leave (Was: Re: [hc] Fwd: Meshadi and Makaradi.... )

hinducivilization

Friday, June 19, 2009, 1:17 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Kaul,

 

once again you have continued to keep on with the thread, with that same

bitter rotten title.

 

once again you have repeated the SAME things you have repeated for

dozens and dozens of times.

 

once again you have shown a total lack of sensibility by ignoring the

utter irritation of the list members.

 

once again you insist shamelessly on repeating a message that several

people have requested you very nicely to stop repeating.

 

once again you keep on and on and on about " vedic astrology " , " mangal " ,

" shani " etc. etc. etc. even as members get exaspearted by your

behaviour.

 

are you a frustrated old shitbrain? or are you simply disbalanced and

senile? or is it that you are some self-hating pervert who gets

gratification by acting like a total " bharwe " in e-groups and invite the

contempt and scorn of people who have now started to ask you directly to

leave the group? do you take some kiind of delight in joining forums,

and then being boo-ed out from them? are you sane enough to get the

message? or is it because you are an e-id to us who is not standing

before us, that you have so much " courage " to keep on disregarding what

people are asking you to do and feeling because of your

obssessive-compulsi ve behaviour?

 

chup karne ke liye kitna paisa leta hai??? gharwalo ke sath bhi aisa hi

karta hai kya raat-din?

 

after THIS, if you pretend not to get the message from us, and come back

with a reply instead of just shutting the fuck up, then we normal people

won't have anything else to say -- at least not in normal, usable

language. the rest is now really up to the owner and moderator. only

because this is the HC group can characters like you, and those others

can keep on doing this.

 

-- Jit.

 

hinducivilization, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@. ..> wrote:

>

> Shri Jai Maharaj ji,

> Namaskar!

> <Kaul, since you've asked, here's my response: leave this group.>

> Thank you for your suggestion!

> However, before I act upon it, kindly enlighten me about your

qualifications to call yourself a " Vedic Astrologer " . According to me,

" Vedic astrology " is the greatest fraud on the Vedas, since no Mesha,

Vrisha etc. Rashis in the Vedas have been deciphered by any of the

jyotishis, in any of the Vedas!

> Surprisingly, one of the " Vedic astrologers " claims that he has been

able to deciphr the " parkoshya " meaning, but then he says that leads to

so called nirayana rashis!

> Sushri Norelli-Bachelet and her hundreds of shishyas, including Dr.

Wilkinson, on the other hand, say that through their tapasya and yoga,

they have been " revealed " the nature of the zodiac, but it is so called

sayana!

> We also do not find any mention of planets like Mangal, Shani etc. in

the Vedas. Mercifully, none of the jyotishis whether sayana or nirayana,

has claimed yet that he/she has seen Mangal and Shani etc. through their

tapasya or as a " parokshya " meaning!

> Maybe you have some information about the " locatoin " of Mangal, Shani

etc. also in the Vedas, since you have been declaring yourself openly a

" Vedic astrologer " for the last several years. Kindly do give me the

Vedic references of planets also.

> <And shut down your Hindu Calendar group because you are trying to

mislead its members.>

> Members can judge for themselves as to who is misleading whom only

after there is a response from you to my request.

> Dhanyavad.

> A K Kaul

> hinducivilization, Jyotishi jyotish2000@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > On Thu, 6/18/09, Krishen Kaul jyotirved@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear List members,

> > > Namaskar!

> > > Pl. advise me as to what you would like me to do . . .

> >

> > Kaul, since you've asked, here's my response: leave this group.

That's what

> several members, evidently, as well as I suggest that you to do. You

banned me

> from your calendar group when I exposed your fraudulent ways; now you

are

> apparently on the verge of being banned from this group (and you have

already

> been banned from participating in many others). You have attempted to

insult a

> lot of people and tried to hurt them -- but you have failed. The Karm

Sheriff

> got you good. Whatever dignity you may have left, take it with you as

you leave.

> Do poojaa-paatth, spend time with you family, if you have one around

you, but

> astrology, astronomy and calendars are not going to be in your area of

> expertise. They never were. And shut down your Hindu Calendar group

because you

> are trying to mislead its members.

> >

> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi, Vedic Astrologer

> > Om Shanti

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

 

dear sunil Bhattacharyaji

 

  Shri ravi personaly wrote to me that he blv in astrology and i dont know 

realy the opinion of  shri kalyana raman ji abt astrology or hindu astronomy .

 

shri areni has openly expressed his displeasure allowing kaul's tirade against

vedic astrology in what ever name

 

even shri sankar bharadhwaj ji also expressed same way and u might hav seen shri

jit  mazumdar tho intitialy he was against the other section of vedic

astrologers  as if they  did not proov any thing and suddenly he relised fact

and he corrected it

 

still i dont know shri Kalyanaraman ji has a diffrnt agenda ( i dont know realy

who is owner of that forum called Hindu civillisation )

in latest devlpmnt i got a mail that shri AKK can retain his memebrship but not

allowed to post any thing against astrology or hindu astronomy

 

Shri AKK

This Moderator would like to enforce a " cease and desist " order on you. :-)

Kindly refrain from further posts on the above thread. If you have any messages

relating to Sanathana Dharma (excluding astronomy/astrology) kindly post them.

We do not doubt your sincerity but like a crusader your blinkered vision is to

annihilate(not physically but intellectually) your opponents. However we do not

seem to enjoy this group being turned into a battle field what ever be the gain

or loss it may have on our dharma.

Moderator

 

hinducivilization/message/37519

 

so now we r left with no option but  b away frm that e forum which is shame on

hindu s

 

kaul ji nor any of the so called moderators has  prooved that what ever is in

astrology in  has imported frm out side resources .even they cud not proov that

is  against very hindu vedic thoughts or dharma so long as rig vedic /or

yajurvedanga jyothisha is there in vedas itself .

 

where as all this  days we hav givn enough proofs and latest one is is on

samanta chandrasekhar ji of orissa ( which kaul himself was making fun of him

thinking by insulting such  lion persons in the lite of crutches of modern

astronomy kaul can win his arguemnts )

 

why even when kaul make fun of him ,how and why kaul cannot describe or explain

the same person who lived in 19th century cud able to make more precise and

scientific explanations based on surya sidhantha itself and he was not having

any any modern gadgets ( actualy kaul is always knowingly ,deliberatly ,wilfully

 making fun of SS dictums -which every one knows --it  means SS has mean

position calculation for Yugas ( which is mathematical model too ) which is even

a  vedic concept than a greek or chaldean concept ) for which he was given

honors and title s by ruling british govrmnt even

 

where as did kaul who claims knows everything cannot accept the challenge of

making his own perfect calender ??  why ??  means he know he can make fool of

the so called hindus very easily in the name of vedas itself which he was doing

very cunningly all this yrs ( its financial benefit let the person who has

brains can think other wise let them file a PIL and ask govtmnt of india ,what

is the amnt of christian and foriegn donations coming to india and who is

beneficiaries -this will open up every one;s eyes )

 

so kaul sees what he wants and doesnot admit what ever proofs r shown ,even many

memebrs like shri jit mazumdar has sply raised their voice against it even if

they may not b good astronomers or astrologer or even i know may b they wont

vouch for astrology ,but they hav the brain to understood that what ever the

kaul acrobatic exercise in the name of veda is anti vedic and anti hindu even

 

so we with some likeminded persons has already signed out frm Hindu civilisation

forum and if they hav some  sense let them re think abt it

 

other wise we hav to assume them as another cover in some hindu name  like one 

central  minister ( i dont want to use her name tho it is known to all ) who has

hindu name and fooling in election all  hindus and collect hindu votes and she

the one who is instrumntal in ram sethu issue,  who given affidavit in supreme

court that lord shri ram is a fictious figure ( it is what even hindu forums

even does in the name of their own so called scientific and western based

theories )

 

( now the fun is she became minister again after collecting same hindu votes ,by

hiding that she is christian- so what all this so called hindu volunteers doing

?/why  it doesnot catch shri kauls brilliant chanakya brain ?? why he is silent

even on such things //is astrology is root cause of all eveils in hindu society

?? )

 

i think the so called hindu civilisation  grp if they r realy and realy

concerned abt hindu values and tradition s shud re consider this discision

 

a culture ,legacy and tradition cannot b judged using only what we know or wat

is our own perception ,such fights and tirades shud not b allowed too in

whatever name

 

if astrology in is in puranas if it is in epics like mahabharatha or ramayana

then why the so called hindu " kshatriya " s are allowed to  go against it in what

ever name ?? did they prooved absolutely that astrology is of greek or some

chalden origin ?

 

for exmple ravan ji is a asura and same time brahmin in puranas

 

and even stout siva worshippers even use the siva stuthi penned by ravan ji (

siva thandava stotra )

 

so how can we justify it ?? 

 

what may b explanation by this so called hindu foot soldiers

 

what is he ,is he asura ?? or brahmin ? or can we take him as siva bhaskta

?? even if he is siva bhakta why we shud use the siva stuthi penned by him ??

can some hindu or so called hindus explain  ? (even those e forum owners )

 

with regrds sreedhar Nambiar

 

 

 

--- On Sat, 6/20/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

 

 

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya

[vedic astrology] Re: Fw: Kaul, just leave

(Was: Re: [hc] Fwd: Meshadi and Makaradi...)

 

Cc: vedic astrology ,

Saturday, June 20, 2009, 6:59 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri Nambiar,

 

Avtar Krishen Kaul has a safe place in the Hindu Civilization group to continue

his anti-Hinduism tirade.  Dr. R. N. Iyengar and the Moderator Ravi are against

Astrology, which is a part of the Jyotish-shastra, a Vedanga. So it amounts to

indirect (or is it direct?) encouragement from this duo and others like them  to

Kaul. When Dr. Kalyanaraman will realise what he is happening it may be too late

for him to act or has it already become so.

May be sooner or later all those lovers of Hinduism will have to leave that

forum to escape the exasperation  day in and day out. 

 

Regards.

,

 

Sunil K.  Bhattacharjya

 

 

--- On Fri, 6/19/09, Sreedhar Nambiar <sreedhar.nambiar@ > wrote:

 

Sreedhar Nambiar <sreedhar.nambiar@ >

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Fw: Kaul, just leave (Was: Re: [hc] Fwd:

Meshadi and Makaradi...)

ancient_indian_ astrology

Friday, June 19, 2009, 10:39 AM

 

--- On Fri, 6/19/09, Jit Majumder <jitmajumder212@ .co. in> wrote:

 

Jit Majumder <jitmajumder212@ .co. in>

Kaul, just leave (Was: Re: [hc] Fwd: Meshadi and Makaradi.... )

hinducivilization

Friday, June 19, 2009, 1:17 PM

 

Kaul,

 

once again you have continued to keep on with the thread, with that same

bitter rotten title.

 

once again you have repeated the SAME things you have repeated for

dozens and dozens of times.

 

once again you have shown a total lack of sensibility by ignoring the

utter irritation of the list members.

 

once again you insist shamelessly on repeating a message that several

people have requested you very nicely to stop repeating.

 

once again you keep on and on and on about " vedic astrology " , " mangal " ,

" shani " etc. etc. etc. even as members get exaspearted by your

behaviour.

 

are you a frustrated old shitbrain? or are you simply disbalanced and

senile? or is it that you are some self-hating pervert who gets

gratification by acting like a total " bharwe " in e-groups and invite the

contempt and scorn of people who have now started to ask you directly to

leave the group? do you take some kiind of delight in joining forums,

and then being boo-ed out from them? are you sane enough to get the

message? or is it because you are an e-id to us who is not standing

before us, that you have so much " courage " to keep on disregarding what

people are asking you to do and feeling because of your

obssessive-compulsi ve behaviour?

 

chup karne ke liye kitna paisa leta hai??? gharwalo ke sath bhi aisa hi

karta hai kya raat-din?

 

after THIS, if you pretend not to get the message from us, and come back

with a reply instead of just shutting the fuck up, then we normal people

won't have anything else to say -- at least not in normal, usable

language. the rest is now really up to the owner and moderator. only

because this is the HC group can characters like you, and those others

can keep on doing this.

 

-- Jit.

 

hinducivilization, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@. ..> wrote:

>

> Shri Jai Maharaj ji,

> Namaskar!

> <Kaul, since you've asked, here's my response: leave this group.>

> Thank you for your suggestion!

> However, before I act upon it, kindly enlighten me about your

qualifications to call yourself a " Vedic Astrologer " . According to me,

" Vedic astrology " is the greatest fraud on the Vedas, since no Mesha,

Vrisha etc. Rashis in the Vedas have been deciphered by any of the

jyotishis, in any of the Vedas!

> Surprisingly, one of the " Vedic astrologers " claims that he has been

able to deciphr the " parkoshya " meaning, but then he says that leads to

so called nirayana rashis!

> Sushri Norelli-Bachelet and her hundreds of shishyas, including Dr.

Wilkinson, on the other hand, say that through their tapasya and yoga,

they have been " revealed " the nature of the zodiac, but it is so called

sayana!

> We also do not find any mention of planets like Mangal, Shani etc. in

the Vedas. Mercifully, none of the jyotishis whether sayana or nirayana,

has claimed yet that he/she has seen Mangal and Shani etc. through their

tapasya or as a " parokshya " meaning!

> Maybe you have some information about the " locatoin " of Mangal, Shani

etc. also in the Vedas, since you have been declaring yourself openly a

" Vedic astrologer " for the last several years. Kindly do give me the

Vedic references of planets also.

> <And shut down your Hindu Calendar group because you are trying to

mislead its members.>

> Members can judge for themselves as to who is misleading whom only

after there is a response from you to my request.

> Dhanyavad.

> A K Kaul

> hinducivilization, Jyotishi jyotish2000@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > On Thu, 6/18/09, Krishen Kaul jyotirved@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear List members,

> > > Namaskar!

> > > Pl. advise me as to what you would like me to do . . .

> >

> > Kaul, since you've asked, here's my response: leave this group.

That's what

> several members, evidently, as well as I suggest that you to do. You

banned me

> from your calendar group when I exposed your fraudulent ways; now you

are

> apparently on the verge of being banned from this group (and you have

already

> been banned from participating in many others). You have attempted to

insult a

> lot of people and tried to hurt them -- but you have failed. The Karm

Sheriff

> got you good. Whatever dignity you may have left, take it with you as

you leave.

> Do poojaa-paatth, spend time with you family, if you have one around

you, but

> astrology, astronomy and calendars are not going to be in your area of

> expertise. They never were. And shut down your Hindu Calendar group

because you

> are trying to mislead its members.

> >

> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi, Vedic Astrologer

> > Om Shanti

> >

>