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Dear Jyotishis,

 

A couple of questions:

 

What is the difference in synastry of Mars-Venus conjunction and opposition?

 

The general opinion seems to be that yesterday's conjunction of Venus and Mars

had the potential to create dangerous passion and conflict in relationships.

Could it not also be positive in forming or strengthening relationships?

 

if male Mars is conjunct female Venus

if male Venus is opposite female Mars

 

and other variants on these combinations?

 

 

I give a pair of charts below as examples:

Male 11/07/67 04.14am Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK, 1w35, 54n59

Female 10/12/86 11.57am Stockholm, Sweeden, 18e03, 59n20

 

With thanks,

Oliver

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Dear Oliver,

 

Synastry is a very romantic word in Astrology -- in the earlier civillizations

known as MELAPAK and in the western astro-concept synastry where when planets in

the charts of two potential/prospective loved ones were 'romantically' searched

by astrologer-counsellers with the aim of bringing two souls destined to meet

and unite in matrimony or equivalent relationships (Life has gotten complex in

Kaliyuga!). I took this " Father's Day " at the behest of a well-wisher just to

relax and watched a bolly movie known as " Pangaa naa lo " (Relax --don't take the

trouble!) and it was pretty 'low gear' and easy to laugh along with -- towards

the end in true Bolly-fashion of my earlier years its last segment was a bit

" stretched " kind of like a party that just does not want to end...!

 

The story was about two families trying to get a boy and girl together! On astro

fora we often hear that Miya Beebi (to be) are Razee (willing) but the Kazee

(usually parents but sometimes custodions of religion too - that Kazee

represents) is/are not!

 

Like many of the one-factor yogas and " if jupiter is in lagna -- what is the

reading Guruji? " questions, mostly innocent, synastry can often risk becoming

one too!

 

Perhaps there is MORE to mutual attraction and in 'feeling comfortable' with

someone than just mars or venus -- even when romantic involvement is the

superficial theme or prospect. And both mars and venus are not just astrological

surrogates for what we journalists describe as " hormones! "

 

Planets in the simple Jyotish construct have many roles and many hats that they

can wear! It would be detrimental to just focus on one layer or perspective of

what they represent and to run with that!

 

Sometimes one must take into consideration the chara karakattwa (or other

descriptors) for the same planet in the two charts such as matrikaraka in one

chart and pitrikaraka in another one, ascribed to the same planet! There is

potential for creating in such a synastry, for example.

 

Some astrologers often get too " stuck " with labels such as mars being the

aggressive killer, the butcher and venus the demure dim-witted lass in love with

herself and in denial of reality just to keep the sweet and beautiful intact!

 

If you truly begin to explore jyotish you will soon realize that the layers and

multiple 'roles' that it provides for just a few ACTORS and PERFORMERS, if

seriously followed, script, rendition, action and final SHOWING -- wonderfully

corresponds to the MOVIE that we all have been blessed to watch and live in this

lifetime: Human Experience!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Oliver Fallon " <opfallon wrote:

>

> Dear Jyotishis,

>

> A couple of questions:

>

> What is the difference in synastry of Mars-Venus conjunction and opposition?

>

> The general opinion seems to be that yesterday's conjunction of Venus and Mars

had the potential to create dangerous passion and conflict in relationships.

Could it not also be positive in forming or strengthening relationships?

>

> if male Mars is conjunct female Venus

> if male Venus is opposite female Mars

>

> and other variants on these combinations?

>

>

> I give a pair of charts below as examples:

> Male 11/07/67 04.14am Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK, 1w35, 54n59

> Female 10/12/86 11.57am Stockholm, Sweeden, 18e03, 59n20

>

> With thanks,

> Oliver

>

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Hi Oliver,

 

Any Ve-Mars contact is synastry is good for attraction, sexual in particular btw

partners, /passion/, good foundation to start building relationship on.

Some authors opine that harsh aspect /opposition, square/ adds jealousy into

that picture.  

Strangely, an unlikely contact like Mars/Saturn brings sort of 'passion' as

well, I've seen that number of times. I would prefer Ve/Ma though.

Regards,

Anna

 

--- On Sun, 6/21/09, Oliver Fallon <opfallon wrote:

 

 

Oliver Fallon <opfallon

Yesterday's Venus-Mars conjunction

 

Received: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 9:13 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Jyotishis,

 

A couple of questions:

 

What is the difference in synastry of Mars-Venus conjunction and opposition?

 

The general opinion seems to be that yesterday's conjunction of Venus and Mars

had the potential to create dangerous passion and conflict in relationships.

Could it not also be positive in forming or strengthening relationships?

 

if male Mars is conjunct female Venus

if male Venus is opposite female Mars

 

and other variants on these combinations?

 

I give a pair of charts below as examples:

Male 11/07/67 04.14am Newcastle-upon- Tyne, UK, 1w35, 54n59

Female 10/12/86 11.57am Stockholm, Sweeden, 18e03, 59n20

 

With thanks,

Oliver

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear ones,

 

books have been written about MARS AND VENUS

and it is both fascinating and fashionable to discuss and ofcourse

research these two.But there is something special about these two

planets regarding marriage/relationships.Hope all the astrologers

agree.I find it is more influential in relationships than

marriages.Jupiter's role comes into marriages along with these two.As

Rohini ji mentioned it is more romantic than anything else.

 

 

 

regards,

 

gopi.

, " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Dear Oliver,

>

> Synastry is a very romantic word in Astrology -- in the earlier

civillizations known as MELAPAK and in the western astro-concept

synastry where when planets in the charts of two potential/prospective

loved ones were 'romantically' searched by astrologer-counsellers with

the aim of bringing two souls destined to meet and unite in matrimony or

equivalent relationships (Life has gotten complex in Kaliyuga!). I took

this " Father's Day " at the behest of a well-wisher just to relax and

watched a bolly movie known as " Pangaa naa lo " (Relax --don't take the

trouble!) and it was pretty 'low gear' and easy to laugh along with --

towards the end in true Bolly-fashion of my earlier years its last

segment was a bit " stretched " kind of like a party that just does not

want to end...!

>

> The story was about two families trying to get a boy and girl

together! On astro fora we often hear that Miya Beebi (to be) are Razee

(willing) but the Kazee (usually parents but sometimes custodions of

religion too - that Kazee represents) is/are not!

>

> Like many of the one-factor yogas and " if jupiter is in lagna -- what

is the reading Guruji? " questions, mostly innocent, synastry can often

risk becoming one too!

>

> Perhaps there is MORE to mutual attraction and in 'feeling

comfortable' with someone than just mars or venus -- even when romantic

involvement is the superficial theme or prospect. And both mars and

venus are not just astrological surrogates for what we journalists

describe as " hormones! "

>

> Planets in the simple Jyotish construct have many roles and many hats

that they can wear! It would be detrimental to just focus on one layer

or perspective of what they represent and to run with that!

>

> Sometimes one must take into consideration the chara karakattwa (or

other descriptors) for the same planet in the two charts such as

matrikaraka in one chart and pitrikaraka in another one, ascribed to the

same planet! There is potential for creating in such a synastry, for

example.

>

> Some astrologers often get too " stuck " with labels such as mars being

the aggressive killer, the butcher and venus the demure dim-witted lass

in love with herself and in denial of reality just to keep the sweet and

beautiful intact!

>

> If you truly begin to explore jyotish you will soon realize that the

layers and multiple 'roles' that it provides for just a few ACTORS and

PERFORMERS, if seriously followed, script, rendition, action and final

SHOWING -- wonderfully corresponds to the MOVIE that we all have been

blessed to watch and live in this lifetime: Human Experience!

>

>

>

>

, " Oliver Fallon " opfallon@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jyotishis,

> >

> > A couple of questions:

> >

> > What is the difference in synastry of Mars-Venus conjunction and

opposition?

> >

> > The general opinion seems to be that yesterday's conjunction of

Venus and Mars had the potential to create dangerous passion and

conflict in relationships. Could it not also be positive in forming or

strengthening relationships?

> >

> > if male Mars is conjunct female Venus

> > if male Venus is opposite female Mars

> >

> > and other variants on these combinations?

> >

> >

> > I give a pair of charts below as examples:

> > Male 11/07/67 04.14am Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK, 1w35, 54n59

> > Female 10/12/86 11.57am Stockholm, Sweeden, 18e03, 59n20

> >

> > With thanks,

> > Oliver

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

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I agree with Rohini ji. The romantic synastry is dealt with a little

differently in Jyotish. It goes into deeper, more subtle levels, step by

step, to look for long-lasting and productive relationships.

 

Beside several other factors, the two MOONS are given prime importance in

bringing the prospective partners together and keeping the alliance happy

and romantic. Various methods prescribed for Guna MILAN give specific

principles on this aspect (Ashtakoota, Dashakoota, etc.)

 

Jupiter is the Devaguru who blesses the KNOT. If HE blesses in nativity as

well as transit, one can be rather assured of a more or less permanent

alliance (more specifically in a country like India, though we are also

changing with times!)

 

Once the knot is tied, comes the real role of the man and woman or MARS and

VENUS for procreation. Mars controlling the female system of ovulation and

venus having the control of male production of sperms. Jyotish literature

deals with this aspect and provides insights through the use of

Kshetra-Sphuta (KS) and Beej-Sphuta (BS) calculations for female and male

child-bearing ability. One will find the use of longitude of Mars for KS and

that of Venus for BS calculations. Weak Mars and venus in nativities are

seen to create reproductive health problems in females and males

respectively.

 

There are various other methods, like ashtakvarga scores, to check the

strength of mars and venus for having children. Some of the methods seem to

have been lost with time.

I remember Sh KN Rao ji once referring to one such method which his mother

used with great accuracy. In his own words,

//My mother never predicted about children till she had prepared the

Bhinnashtaka of Jupiter and moon. In addition, in the case of women,

Bhinnashtaka of Mars and in the case of Man of Venus. Why she did it and

what use she made of it is not known to me//

 

Truly there is a lot to explore in Jyotish!

 

Regards

Neelam

 

 

 

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Dear Neelam ji,

 

There are NO two moons but just one! If Jyotishis were only to discard their

'downward gaze' often attributed to Shani Devta and to look up to the

astronomical reality! WYSIWYG? I am sure all GUI-lovers would agree!

 

There are 12 windows, or maybe 27 or 28 jharokhaas or 108 or 249 or many more,

but what is most important is not the portals of observation, but what we are

observing! And not all windows and port-holes are optically immaculate or

'TRUE'!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> I agree with Rohini ji. The romantic synastry is dealt with a little

> differently in Jyotish. It goes into deeper, more subtle levels, step by

> step, to look for long-lasting and productive relationships.

>

> Beside several other factors, the two MOONS are given prime importance in

> bringing the prospective partners together and keeping the alliance happy

> and romantic. Various methods prescribed for Guna MILAN give specific

> principles on this aspect (Ashtakoota, Dashakoota, etc.)

>

> Jupiter is the Devaguru who blesses the KNOT. If HE blesses in nativity as

> well as transit, one can be rather assured of a more or less permanent

> alliance (more specifically in a country like India, though we are also

> changing with times!)

>

> Once the knot is tied, comes the real role of the man and woman or MARS and

> VENUS for procreation. Mars controlling the female system of ovulation and

> venus having the control of male production of sperms. Jyotish literature

> deals with this aspect and provides insights through the use of

> Kshetra-Sphuta (KS) and Beej-Sphuta (BS) calculations for female and male

> child-bearing ability. One will find the use of longitude of Mars for KS and

> that of Venus for BS calculations. Weak Mars and venus in nativities are

> seen to create reproductive health problems in females and males

> respectively.

>

> There are various other methods, like ashtakvarga scores, to check the

> strength of mars and venus for having children. Some of the methods seem to

> have been lost with time.

> I remember Sh KN Rao ji once referring to one such method which his mother

> used with great accuracy. In his own words,

> //My mother never predicted about children till she had prepared the

> Bhinnashtaka of Jupiter and moon. In addition, in the case of women,

> Bhinnashtaka of Mars and in the case of Man of Venus. Why she did it and

> what use she made of it is not known to me//

>

> Truly there is a lot to explore in Jyotish!

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

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Yes. Moon is one. But one can't stop the Moon to reflect, two or three or

four, through as many as water filled vessels.

 

C.S. Ravindramani

 

 

Dear Neelam ji,

 

There are NO two moons but just one! If Jyotishis were only to discard their

'downward gaze' often attributed to Shani Devta and to look up to the

astronomical reality! WYSIWYG? I am sure all GUI-lovers would agree!

 

There are 12 windows, or maybe 27 or 28 jharokhaas or 108 or 249 or many

more, but what is most important is not the portals of observation, but what

we are observing! And not all windows and port-holes are optically

immaculate or 'TRUE'!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

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Ah griha padas/arudhaas of moon -- we are talking about now ;-)

 

Perhaps that should be considered in melapaks (matrimonial and business

partnerships and other unions as well!). Afterall 'perceptions' personal and of

the partner are vital in the continuity and longevity of a relationship!

 

RR

 

, Ravindramani CS <ravindramani wrote:

>

> Yes. Moon is one. But one can't stop the Moon to reflect, two or three or

> four, through as many as water filled vessels.

>

> C.S. Ravindramani

>

>

> Dear Neelam ji,

>

> There are NO two moons but just one! If Jyotishis were only to discard their

> 'downward gaze' often attributed to Shani Devta and to look up to the

> astronomical reality! WYSIWYG? I am sure all GUI-lovers would agree!

>

> There are 12 windows, or maybe 27 or 28 jharokhaas or 108 or 249 or many

> more, but what is most important is not the portals of observation, but what

> we are observing! And not all windows and port-holes are optically

> immaculate or 'TRUE'!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

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