Guest guest Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Dear Jyotishis, A couple of questions: What is the difference in synastry of Mars-Venus conjunction and opposition? The general opinion seems to be that yesterday's conjunction of Venus and Mars had the potential to create dangerous passion and conflict in relationships. Could it not also be positive in forming or strengthening relationships? if male Mars is conjunct female Venus if male Venus is opposite female Mars and other variants on these combinations? I give a pair of charts below as examples: Male 11/07/67 04.14am Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK, 1w35, 54n59 Female 10/12/86 11.57am Stockholm, Sweeden, 18e03, 59n20 With thanks, Oliver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Dear Oliver, Synastry is a very romantic word in Astrology -- in the earlier civillizations known as MELAPAK and in the western astro-concept synastry where when planets in the charts of two potential/prospective loved ones were 'romantically' searched by astrologer-counsellers with the aim of bringing two souls destined to meet and unite in matrimony or equivalent relationships (Life has gotten complex in Kaliyuga!). I took this " Father's Day " at the behest of a well-wisher just to relax and watched a bolly movie known as " Pangaa naa lo " (Relax --don't take the trouble!) and it was pretty 'low gear' and easy to laugh along with -- towards the end in true Bolly-fashion of my earlier years its last segment was a bit " stretched " kind of like a party that just does not want to end...! The story was about two families trying to get a boy and girl together! On astro fora we often hear that Miya Beebi (to be) are Razee (willing) but the Kazee (usually parents but sometimes custodions of religion too - that Kazee represents) is/are not! Like many of the one-factor yogas and " if jupiter is in lagna -- what is the reading Guruji? " questions, mostly innocent, synastry can often risk becoming one too! Perhaps there is MORE to mutual attraction and in 'feeling comfortable' with someone than just mars or venus -- even when romantic involvement is the superficial theme or prospect. And both mars and venus are not just astrological surrogates for what we journalists describe as " hormones! " Planets in the simple Jyotish construct have many roles and many hats that they can wear! It would be detrimental to just focus on one layer or perspective of what they represent and to run with that! Sometimes one must take into consideration the chara karakattwa (or other descriptors) for the same planet in the two charts such as matrikaraka in one chart and pitrikaraka in another one, ascribed to the same planet! There is potential for creating in such a synastry, for example. Some astrologers often get too " stuck " with labels such as mars being the aggressive killer, the butcher and venus the demure dim-witted lass in love with herself and in denial of reality just to keep the sweet and beautiful intact! If you truly begin to explore jyotish you will soon realize that the layers and multiple 'roles' that it provides for just a few ACTORS and PERFORMERS, if seriously followed, script, rendition, action and final SHOWING -- wonderfully corresponds to the MOVIE that we all have been blessed to watch and live in this lifetime: Human Experience! , " Oliver Fallon " <opfallon wrote: > > Dear Jyotishis, > > A couple of questions: > > What is the difference in synastry of Mars-Venus conjunction and opposition? > > The general opinion seems to be that yesterday's conjunction of Venus and Mars had the potential to create dangerous passion and conflict in relationships. Could it not also be positive in forming or strengthening relationships? > > if male Mars is conjunct female Venus > if male Venus is opposite female Mars > > and other variants on these combinations? > > > I give a pair of charts below as examples: > Male 11/07/67 04.14am Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK, 1w35, 54n59 > Female 10/12/86 11.57am Stockholm, Sweeden, 18e03, 59n20 > > With thanks, > Oliver > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Hi Oliver, Any Ve-Mars contact is synastry is good for attraction, sexual in particular btw partners, /passion/, good foundation to start building relationship on. Some authors opine that harsh aspect /opposition, square/ adds jealousy into that picture. Strangely, an unlikely contact like Mars/Saturn brings sort of 'passion' as well, I've seen that number of times. I would prefer Ve/Ma though. Regards, Anna --- On Sun, 6/21/09, Oliver Fallon <opfallon wrote: Oliver Fallon <opfallon Yesterday's Venus-Mars conjunction Received: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 9:13 AM Dear Jyotishis, A couple of questions: What is the difference in synastry of Mars-Venus conjunction and opposition? The general opinion seems to be that yesterday's conjunction of Venus and Mars had the potential to create dangerous passion and conflict in relationships. Could it not also be positive in forming or strengthening relationships? if male Mars is conjunct female Venus if male Venus is opposite female Mars and other variants on these combinations? I give a pair of charts below as examples: Male 11/07/67 04.14am Newcastle-upon- Tyne, UK, 1w35, 54n59 Female 10/12/86 11.57am Stockholm, Sweeden, 18e03, 59n20 With thanks, Oliver ________________ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads./ca/internetexplorer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Dear ones, books have been written about MARS AND VENUS and it is both fascinating and fashionable to discuss and ofcourse research these two.But there is something special about these two planets regarding marriage/relationships.Hope all the astrologers agree.I find it is more influential in relationships than marriages.Jupiter's role comes into marriages along with these two.As Rohini ji mentioned it is more romantic than anything else. regards, gopi. , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Oliver, > > Synastry is a very romantic word in Astrology -- in the earlier civillizations known as MELAPAK and in the western astro-concept synastry where when planets in the charts of two potential/prospective loved ones were 'romantically' searched by astrologer-counsellers with the aim of bringing two souls destined to meet and unite in matrimony or equivalent relationships (Life has gotten complex in Kaliyuga!). I took this " Father's Day " at the behest of a well-wisher just to relax and watched a bolly movie known as " Pangaa naa lo " (Relax --don't take the trouble!) and it was pretty 'low gear' and easy to laugh along with -- towards the end in true Bolly-fashion of my earlier years its last segment was a bit " stretched " kind of like a party that just does not want to end...! > > The story was about two families trying to get a boy and girl together! On astro fora we often hear that Miya Beebi (to be) are Razee (willing) but the Kazee (usually parents but sometimes custodions of religion too - that Kazee represents) is/are not! > > Like many of the one-factor yogas and " if jupiter is in lagna -- what is the reading Guruji? " questions, mostly innocent, synastry can often risk becoming one too! > > Perhaps there is MORE to mutual attraction and in 'feeling comfortable' with someone than just mars or venus -- even when romantic involvement is the superficial theme or prospect. And both mars and venus are not just astrological surrogates for what we journalists describe as " hormones! " > > Planets in the simple Jyotish construct have many roles and many hats that they can wear! It would be detrimental to just focus on one layer or perspective of what they represent and to run with that! > > Sometimes one must take into consideration the chara karakattwa (or other descriptors) for the same planet in the two charts such as matrikaraka in one chart and pitrikaraka in another one, ascribed to the same planet! There is potential for creating in such a synastry, for example. > > Some astrologers often get too " stuck " with labels such as mars being the aggressive killer, the butcher and venus the demure dim-witted lass in love with herself and in denial of reality just to keep the sweet and beautiful intact! > > If you truly begin to explore jyotish you will soon realize that the layers and multiple 'roles' that it provides for just a few ACTORS and PERFORMERS, if seriously followed, script, rendition, action and final SHOWING -- wonderfully corresponds to the MOVIE that we all have been blessed to watch and live in this lifetime: Human Experience! > > > > , " Oliver Fallon " opfallon@ wrote: > > > > Dear Jyotishis, > > > > A couple of questions: > > > > What is the difference in synastry of Mars-Venus conjunction and opposition? > > > > The general opinion seems to be that yesterday's conjunction of Venus and Mars had the potential to create dangerous passion and conflict in relationships. Could it not also be positive in forming or strengthening relationships? > > > > if male Mars is conjunct female Venus > > if male Venus is opposite female Mars > > > > and other variants on these combinations? > > > > > > I give a pair of charts below as examples: > > Male 11/07/67 04.14am Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK, 1w35, 54n59 > > Female 10/12/86 11.57am Stockholm, Sweeden, 18e03, 59n20 > > > > With thanks, > > Oliver > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 I agree with Rohini ji. The romantic synastry is dealt with a little differently in Jyotish. It goes into deeper, more subtle levels, step by step, to look for long-lasting and productive relationships. Beside several other factors, the two MOONS are given prime importance in bringing the prospective partners together and keeping the alliance happy and romantic. Various methods prescribed for Guna MILAN give specific principles on this aspect (Ashtakoota, Dashakoota, etc.) Jupiter is the Devaguru who blesses the KNOT. If HE blesses in nativity as well as transit, one can be rather assured of a more or less permanent alliance (more specifically in a country like India, though we are also changing with times!) Once the knot is tied, comes the real role of the man and woman or MARS and VENUS for procreation. Mars controlling the female system of ovulation and venus having the control of male production of sperms. Jyotish literature deals with this aspect and provides insights through the use of Kshetra-Sphuta (KS) and Beej-Sphuta (BS) calculations for female and male child-bearing ability. One will find the use of longitude of Mars for KS and that of Venus for BS calculations. Weak Mars and venus in nativities are seen to create reproductive health problems in females and males respectively. There are various other methods, like ashtakvarga scores, to check the strength of mars and venus for having children. Some of the methods seem to have been lost with time. I remember Sh KN Rao ji once referring to one such method which his mother used with great accuracy. In his own words, //My mother never predicted about children till she had prepared the Bhinnashtaka of Jupiter and moon. In addition, in the case of women, Bhinnashtaka of Mars and in the case of Man of Venus. Why she did it and what use she made of it is not known to me// Truly there is a lot to explore in Jyotish! Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Dear Neelam ji, There are NO two moons but just one! If Jyotishis were only to discard their 'downward gaze' often attributed to Shani Devta and to look up to the astronomical reality! WYSIWYG? I am sure all GUI-lovers would agree! There are 12 windows, or maybe 27 or 28 jharokhaas or 108 or 249 or many more, but what is most important is not the portals of observation, but what we are observing! And not all windows and port-holes are optically immaculate or 'TRUE'! Rohiniranjan , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > I agree with Rohini ji. The romantic synastry is dealt with a little > differently in Jyotish. It goes into deeper, more subtle levels, step by > step, to look for long-lasting and productive relationships. > > Beside several other factors, the two MOONS are given prime importance in > bringing the prospective partners together and keeping the alliance happy > and romantic. Various methods prescribed for Guna MILAN give specific > principles on this aspect (Ashtakoota, Dashakoota, etc.) > > Jupiter is the Devaguru who blesses the KNOT. If HE blesses in nativity as > well as transit, one can be rather assured of a more or less permanent > alliance (more specifically in a country like India, though we are also > changing with times!) > > Once the knot is tied, comes the real role of the man and woman or MARS and > VENUS for procreation. Mars controlling the female system of ovulation and > venus having the control of male production of sperms. Jyotish literature > deals with this aspect and provides insights through the use of > Kshetra-Sphuta (KS) and Beej-Sphuta (BS) calculations for female and male > child-bearing ability. One will find the use of longitude of Mars for KS and > that of Venus for BS calculations. Weak Mars and venus in nativities are > seen to create reproductive health problems in females and males > respectively. > > There are various other methods, like ashtakvarga scores, to check the > strength of mars and venus for having children. Some of the methods seem to > have been lost with time. > I remember Sh KN Rao ji once referring to one such method which his mother > used with great accuracy. In his own words, > //My mother never predicted about children till she had prepared the > Bhinnashtaka of Jupiter and moon. In addition, in the case of women, > Bhinnashtaka of Mars and in the case of Man of Venus. Why she did it and > what use she made of it is not known to me// > > Truly there is a lot to explore in Jyotish! > > Regards > Neelam > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Yes. Moon is one. But one can't stop the Moon to reflect, two or three or four, through as many as water filled vessels. C.S. Ravindramani Dear Neelam ji, There are NO two moons but just one! If Jyotishis were only to discard their 'downward gaze' often attributed to Shani Devta and to look up to the astronomical reality! WYSIWYG? I am sure all GUI-lovers would agree! There are 12 windows, or maybe 27 or 28 jharokhaas or 108 or 249 or many more, but what is most important is not the portals of observation, but what we are observing! And not all windows and port-holes are optically immaculate or 'TRUE'! Rohiniranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Ah griha padas/arudhaas of moon -- we are talking about now ;-) Perhaps that should be considered in melapaks (matrimonial and business partnerships and other unions as well!). Afterall 'perceptions' personal and of the partner are vital in the continuity and longevity of a relationship! RR , Ravindramani CS <ravindramani wrote: > > Yes. Moon is one. But one can't stop the Moon to reflect, two or three or > four, through as many as water filled vessels. > > C.S. Ravindramani > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > There are NO two moons but just one! If Jyotishis were only to discard their > 'downward gaze' often attributed to Shani Devta and to look up to the > astronomical reality! WYSIWYG? I am sure all GUI-lovers would agree! > > There are 12 windows, or maybe 27 or 28 jharokhaas or 108 or 249 or many > more, but what is most important is not the portals of observation, but what > we are observing! And not all windows and port-holes are optically > immaculate or 'TRUE'! > > Rohiniranjan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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