Guest guest Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Who will post the answer of this, SB.Ppl loose debate but it doesnt mean one should hide the answers but it doesnt matter as everybody can follow footprints and can reach to the answers as all ppl know how to use internet and how to reach the destination of discussions. Oh let me tell all ppl answer of this:- Mrigachakra is related to nks, not to Rashis.Please dont do adharma and dont play with Hinduism. Half knowledge is very injurious for discussion, you know. So it is better to listen instead of speaking and speaking and speaking --- On Sun, 21/6/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya [vedic astrology] Re: Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal Cc: , vedic astrology Sunday, 21 June, 2009, 1:08 AM Dear friends, In another forum Shri Sarvesh Tiwari had quoted te following verse from the Mahabharata to show that Astrology was practised in the Mahabharata times. Mrigachakra is the Zodiac. Quote apyevaM no brAhmaNAH santi vR^iddhA bahushrutAH shIlavantaH kulInAH sA.nvatsarA jyotiShi chApi yuktA nakShatrayogeShu cha nishchayaGYAH uchchAvacha. n daivayukta.n rahasyaM divyAH prashnA mR^igachakrA muhUrtA kShayaM mahAnta.n kurusR^i~njayAnAM nivedayante pANDavAnA.n jayaM cha tathA hi no manyate.ajAtashatru H sa.nsiddhArtho dviShatAM nigrahAya (udyoga parvan) Unquote Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Friends, If some scholar proves that the Mrigachakra is not Rashichakra and tell us what the Mrigachakra really means then why should anybody feel bad. It will only be an occasion to feel happy to discover the truth. Only fools take these things as prestige question and not the real seekers of truth. We are always eager to know what is the truth. Some idiots hurl dirty abuses when they lose debates but not everybody. Just hurling abuses do not solve any problem. I tended to agree with Shri Sarvesh Tiwari's interpretation that Mrigachakra is Zodiac in the quoted verse from the Mahabharata as the verse says that the Brahman Jyotishis made astrological predictions on the basis of the planetary configuration and mentiong the Mrigachakra. Shri Sarvesh Tiwari wrote as follows: Quote notice the usage of the term " mR^igachakra " which would be the literal meaning of " Zodiac " . Also notice that the reference talks of brAhmaNa jyotiShi-s predicting the imminent victory for the pANDava-s and rout of the kaurava-s on basis of the muhUrta, relative positions of nakShatra-s etc. It also mentions, at least in a third person testimony, of the faith people might already have in this field when these lines were written -- here it says that 'with such prediction yudhiShThira was already considering his objectives met.' Unquote If anybody tells us (1) what the Mrigachakra is, (2) that Mrigachakra is not the Rashi-chakra and (3) how the Mrigachakra is related to predictive astrology, then I am sure all the Hindus including me, will be grateful to him and I shall also inform Shri Sarvesh Tiwari. The above verse anyway proves that predictive astrology was used in the Mahabharata days and soastrology could not have been imported from Babylonia and the Greeks. I am sure AKK and his cronies must be very sad about this. Sincerely Sunil K. Bhattacharjya that theI shall glady forward the reply to Shri Sarvesh Tiwari, who said that Mrigachakra is Rashi Chakra.ant --- On Sun, 6/21/09, Anup Khanna <khannaanup32 wrote: Anup Khanna <khannaanup32 Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal vedic astrology Sunday, June 21, 2009, 12:21 PM Who will post the answer of this, SB.Ppl loose debate but it doesnt mean one should hide the answers but it doesnt matter as everybody can follow footprints and can reach to the answers as all ppl know how to use internet and how to reach the destination of discussions. Oh let me tell all ppl answer of this:- Mrigachakra is related to nks, not to Rashis.Please dont do adharma and dont play with Hinduism. Half knowledge is very injurious for discussion, you know. So it is better to listen instead of speaking and speaking and speaking --- On Sun, 21/6/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @> wrote: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @> [vedic astrology] Re: Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal Cc: ancient_indian_ astrology, vedic astrology@ . com Sunday, 21 June, 2009, 1:08 AM Dear friends, In another forum Shri Sarvesh Tiwari had quoted te following verse from the Mahabharata to show that Astrology was practised in the Mahabharata times. Mrigachakra is the Zodiac. Quote apyevaM no brAhmaNAH santi vR^iddhA bahushrutAH shIlavantaH kulInAH sA.nvatsarA jyotiShi chApi yuktA nakShatrayogeShu cha nishchayaGYAH uchchAvacha. n daivayukta.n rahasyaM divyAH prashnA mR^igachakrA muhUrtA kShayaM mahAnta.n kurusR^i~njayAnAM nivedayante pANDavAnA.n jayaM cha tathA hi no manyate.ajAtashatru H sa.nsiddhArtho dviShatAM nigrahAya (udyoga parvan) Unquote Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Namaste, Shri.Sunil Bhattacharjya ji, There is an ancient jyotish Dictionary in Tamil called " Jyotish kadal Akaraadhi " where in one may try to find out meaning for " mR^igachakra " . Some twenty years ago, I have seen this rare dictionary in the Library reference section of Karandhai Tamil Sangam,Thanjavour,TN. karanthaitamilsangam.com/contact.htm I think such ancient rare dictionary copies may even be available in Chennai DPI Laibrary,Nungambakkam,Chennai or at Connemara Public Laibrary,Egmore,Chennai www.connemarapubliclibrarychennai.com/forPublisher.htm. Some of our group friends in Chennai / Thanjavour could try to retrive the meaning from the above sources. Regards, D.sathiyanarayana Gupta --- On Sun, 6/21/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal vedic astrology Cc: Jyotishgroup , Sunday, June 21, 2009, 8:02 PM Friends, If some scholar proves that the Mrigachakra is not Rashichakra and tell us what the Mrigachakra really means then why should anybody feel bad. It will only be an occasion to feel happy to discover the truth. Only fools take these things as prestige question and not the real seekers of truth. We are always eager to know what is the truth. Some idiots hurl dirty abuses when they lose debates but not everybody. Just hurling abuses do not solve any problem. I tended to agree with Shri Sarvesh Tiwari's interpretation that Mrigachakra is Zodiac in the quoted verse from the Mahabharata as the verse says that the Brahman Jyotishis made astrological predictions on the basis of the planetary configuration and mentiong the Mrigachakra. Shri Sarvesh Tiwari wrote as follows: Quote notice the usage of the term " mR^igachakra " which would be the literal meaning of " Zodiac " . Also notice that the reference talks of brAhmaNa jyotiShi-s predicting the imminent victory for the pANDava-s and rout of the kaurava-s on basis of the muhUrta, relative positions of nakShatra-s etc. It also mentions, at least in a third person testimony, of the faith people might already have in this field when these lines were written -- here it says that 'with such prediction yudhiShThira was already considering his objectives met.' Unquote If anybody tells us (1) what the Mrigachakra is, (2) that Mrigachakra is not the Rashi-chakra and (3) how the Mrigachakra is related to predictive astrology, then I am sure all the Hindus including me, will be grateful to him and I shall also inform Shri Sarvesh Tiwari. The above verse anyway proves that predictive astrology was used in the Mahabharata days and soastrology could not have been imported from Babylonia and the Greeks. I am sure AKK and his cronies must be very sad about this. Sincerely Sunil K. Bhattacharjya that theI shall glady forward the reply to Shri Sarvesh Tiwari, who said that Mrigachakra is Rashi Chakra.ant --- On Sun, 6/21/09, Anup Khanna <khannaanup32@ > wrote: Anup Khanna <khannaanup32@ > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal vedic astrology Sunday, June 21, 2009, 12:21 PM Who will post the answer of this, SB.Ppl loose debate but it doesnt mean one should hide the answers but it doesnt matter as everybody can follow footprints and can reach to the answers as all ppl know how to use internet and how to reach the destination of discussions. Oh let me tell all ppl answer of this:- Mrigachakra is related to nks, not to Rashis.Please dont do adharma and dont play with Hinduism. Half knowledge is very injurious for discussion, you know. So it is better to listen instead of speaking and speaking and speaking --- On Sun, 21/6/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @> wrote: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @> [vedic astrology] Re: Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal Cc: ancient_indian_ astrology, vedic astrology@ . com Sunday, 21 June, 2009, 1:08 AM Dear friends, In another forum Shri Sarvesh Tiwari had quoted te following verse from the Mahabharata to show that Astrology was practised in the Mahabharata times. Mrigachakra is the Zodiac. Quote apyevaM no brAhmaNAH santi vR^iddhA bahushrutAH shIlavantaH kulInAH sA.nvatsarA jyotiShi chApi yuktA nakShatrayogeShu cha nishchayaGYAH uchchAvacha. n daivayukta.n rahasyaM divyAH prashnA mR^igachakrA muhUrtA kShayaM mahAnta.n kurusR^i~njayAnAM nivedayante pANDavAnA.n jayaM cha tathA hi no manyate.ajAtashatru H sa.nsiddhArtho dviShatAM nigrahAya (udyoga parvan) Unquote Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Friends, If some scholar proves that the Mrigachakra is not Rashichakra and tell us what the Mrigachakra really means then why should anybody feel bad. It will only be an occasion to feel happy to discover the truth. Only fools take these things as prestige question and not the real seekers of truth. We are always eager to know what is the truth. Some idiots hurl dirty abuses when they lose debates but not everybody. Just hurling abuses do not solve any problem. I tended to agree with Shri Sarvesh Tiwari's interpretation that Mrigachakra is Zodiac in the quoted verse from the Mahabharata as the verse says that the Brahman Jyotishis made astrological predictions on the basis of the planetary configuration and mentiong the Mrigachakra. Shri Sarvesh Tiwari wrote as follows: Quote notice the usage of the term " mR^igachakra " which would be the literal meaning of " Zodiac " . Also notice that the reference talks of brAhmaNa jyotiShi-s predicting the imminent victory for the pANDava-s and rout of the kaurava-s on basis of the muhUrta, relative positions of nakShatra-s etc. It also mentions, at least in a third person testimony, of the faith people might already have in this field when these lines were written -- here it says that 'with such prediction yudhiShThira was already considering his objectives met.' Unquote If anybody tells us (1) what the Mrigachakra is, (2) that Mrigachakra is not the Rashi-chakra and (3) how the Mrigachakra is related to predictive astrology, then I am sure all the Hindus including me, will be grateful to him and I shall also inform Shri Sarvesh Tiwari. The above verse anyway proves that predictive astrology was used in the Mahabharata days and soastrology could not have been imported from Babylonia and the Greeks. I am sure AKK and his cronies must be very sad about this. Sincerely Sunil K. Bhattacharjya that theI shall glady forward the reply to Shri Sarvesh Tiwari, who said that Mrigachakra is Rashi Chakra.ant --- On Sun, 6/21/09, Anup Khanna <khannaanup32 wrote: Anup Khanna <khannaanup32 Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal vedic astrology Sunday, June 21, 2009, 12:21 PM Who will post the answer of this, SB.Ppl loose debate but it doesnt mean one should hide the answers but it doesnt matter as everybody can follow footprints and can reach to the answers as all ppl know how to use internet and how to reach the destination of discussions. Oh let me tell all ppl answer of this:- Mrigachakra is related to nks, not to Rashis.Please dont do adharma and dont play with Hinduism. Half knowledge is very injurious for discussion, you know. So it is better to listen instead of speaking and speaking and speaking --- On Sun, 21/6/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @> wrote: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @> [vedic astrology] Re: Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal Cc: ancient_indian_ astrology, vedic astrology@ . com Sunday, 21 June, 2009, 1:08 AM Dear friends, In another forum Shri Sarvesh Tiwari had quoted te following verse from the Mahabharata to show that Astrology was practised in the Mahabharata times. Mrigachakra is the Zodiac. Quote apyevaM no brAhmaNAH santi vR^iddhA bahushrutAH shIlavantaH kulInAH sA.nvatsarA jyotiShi chApi yuktA nakShatrayogeShu cha nishchayaGYAH uchchAvacha. n daivayukta.n rahasyaM divyAH prashnA mR^igachakrA muhUrtA kShayaM mahAnta.n kurusR^i~njayAnAM nivedayante pANDavAnA.n jayaM cha tathA hi no manyate.ajAtashatru H sa.nsiddhArtho dviShatAM nigrahAya (udyoga parvan) Unquote Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 SB,I have just forwarded real mail of Mr Tripathi on the group so that atleast ppl come to know the real mails. You never forward real thing, why you hide things. Please aisaa met karoo --- On Sun, 21/6/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya > [vedic astrology] Re: Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal > > Cc: , vedic astrology > Sunday, 21 June, 2009, 1:08 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > In another forum Shri Sarvesh Tiwari had quoted te > following verse from the Mahabharata to show that Astrology > was practised in the Mahabharata times. Mrigachakra is the > Zodiac. > > > > Quote > > > > apyevaM no brAhmaNAH santi vR^iddhA > > bahushrutAH shIlavantaH kulInAH > > sA.nvatsarA jyotiShi chApi yuktA > > nakShatrayogeShu cha nishchayaGYAH > > uchchAvacha. n daivayukta.n rahasyaM > > divyAH prashnA mR^igachakrA muhUrtA > > kShayaM mahAnta.n kurusR^i~njayAnAM > > nivedayante pANDavAnA.n jayaM cha > > tathA hi no manyate.ajAtashatru H > > sa.nsiddhArtho dviShatAM nigrahAya > > (udyoga parvan) > > > > Unquote > > > > Regards, > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 If you are so smart then why did you not tell the group first about Sarveshji's mail first. Don't show smartness now. People are not fools. On hindsight every body can show wisdom. Do you understand? Show things first. You are here not to contribute but to find fault without basis. Sarveshji's main message was that in the Mahaabharata times Astrology was practised and that you have missed. You want to hide the fact that Sarveshji's mail has busted the lies of Kaul and his cronies that there is reference to the practice of Astrology in the Mahabharata long before the Greeks knew astrology. Why do you try these cheap diversionary tactics? Have the guts to admit the facts. Understand? --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Anup Khanna <khannaanup32 wrote: Anup Khanna <khannaanup32 Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal vedic astrology Monday, June 22, 2009, 4:33 AM SB,I have just forwarded real mail of Mr Tripathi on the group so that atleast ppl come to know the real mails. You never forward real thing, why you hide things. Please aisaa met karoo --- On Sun, 21/6/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @> wrote: > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @> > [vedic astrology] Re: Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal > > Cc: ancient_indian_ astrology, vedic astrology@ . com > Sunday, 21 June, 2009, 1:08 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > In another forum Shri Sarvesh Tiwari had quoted te > following verse from the Mahabharata to show that Astrology > was practised in the Mahabharata times. Mrigachakra is the > Zodiac. > > > > Quote > > > > apyevaM no brAhmaNAH santi vR^iddhA > > bahushrutAH shIlavantaH kulInAH > > sA.nvatsarA jyotiShi chApi yuktA > > nakShatrayogeShu cha nishchayaGYAH > > uchchAvacha. n daivayukta.n rahasyaM > > divyAH prashnA mR^igachakrA muhUrtA > > kShayaM mahAnta.n kurusR^i~njayAnAM > > nivedayante pANDavAnA.n jayaM cha > > tathA hi no manyate.ajAtashatru H > > sa.nsiddhArtho dviShatAM nigrahAya > > (udyoga parvan) > > > > Unquote > > > > Regards, > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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