Fw: [Abhinavagupta] References of Rashis in the Vedaas and the Vedanga Jyotisha.

June 22, 2009

--- On Mon, 6/22/09, Sarvesh <Sarvesh wrote:

Sarvesh <Sarvesh

[Abhinavagupta] Re: References of Rashis in the Vedaas and the Vedanga

Jyotisha.

" *Abinavagupta " <abhinavagupta >

Monday, June 22, 2009, 8:08 AM

namaste Shri Kaul-ji

I refer to the Critical Edition publsihed by Bhandarkar Oriental Research

Institute Pune. The said lines are found in almost all the known recensions of

the bhArata, therefore certainly would be present in the gItA press edition you

are referring to, although the chapter numbers might differ.

Although you can download the text from various sites on the Internet including

from BORI site, for your convenience I append below the text of the 47th section

of the fifth book - hoping it is allowed here, and seeking forgiveness in

advance if it is against the convention.

Warm Regards

Sarvesh Tiwari

05047001 dhRtarASTra uvAca

05047001a pRcchAmi tvAM saMjaya rAjamadhye; kim abravId vAkyam adInasattvaH

05047001c dhanaMjayas tAta yudhAM praNetA; durAtmanAM jIvitacchin mahAtmA

05047002 saMjaya uvAca

05047002a duryodhano vAcam imAM zRNotu; yad abravId arjuno yotsyamAnaH

05047002c yudhiSThirasyAnumat e mahAtmA; dhanaMjayaH zRNvataH kezavasya

05047003a anvatrasto bAhuvIryaM vidAna; upahvare vAsudevasya dhIraH

05047003c avocan mAM yotsyamAnaH kirITI; madhye brUyA dhArtarASTraM kurUNAm

05047004a ye vai rAjAnaH pANDavAyodhanAya; samAnItAH zRNvatAM cApi teSAm

05047004c yathA samagraM vacanaM mayoktaM; sahAmAtyaM zrAvayethA nRpaM tam

05047005a yathA nUnaM devarAjasya devAH; zuzrUSante vajrahastasya sarve

05047005c tathAzRNvan pANDavAH sRJjayAz ca; kirITinA vAcam uktAM samarthAm

05047006a ity abravId arjuno yotsyamAno; gANDIvadhanvA lohitapadmanetraH

05047006c na ced rAjyaM muJcati dhArtarASTro; yudhiSThirasyAjamID hasya rAjJaH

05047006e asti nUnaM karma kRtaM purastAd; anirviSTaM pApakaM dhArtarASTraiH

05047007a yeSAM yuddhaM bhImasenArjunAbhyAM ; tathAzvibhyAM vAsudevena caiva

05047007c zaineyena dhruvam AttAyudhena; dhRSTadyumnenAtha zikhaNDinA ca

05047007e yudhiSThireNendraka lpena caiva; yo 'padhyAnAn nirdahed gAM divaM ca

05047008a taiz ced yuddhaM manyate dhArtarASTro; nirvRtto 'rthaH sakalaH

pANDavAnAm

05047008c mA tat kArSIH pANDavArthAya hetor; upaihi yuddhaM yadi manyase tvam

05047009a yAM tAM vane duHkhazayyAm uvAsa; pravrAjitaH pANDavo dharmacArI

05047009c AziSyate duHkhatarAm anarthAm; antyAM zayyAM dhArtarASTraH parAsuH

05047010a hriyA jJAnena tapasA damena; krodhenAtho dharmaguptyA dhanena

05047010c anyAyavRttaH kurupANDaveyAn; adhyAtiSThad dhArtarASTro durAtmA

05047011a mAyopadhaH praNidhAnArjavAbhyA M; tapodamAbhyAM dharmaguptyA balena

05047011c satyaM bruvan prItiyuktyAnRtena; titikSamANaH klizyamAno 'tivelam

05047012a yadA jyeSThaH pANDavaH saMzitAtmA; krodhaM yat taM varSapUgAn sughoram

05047012c avasraSTA kuruSUdvRttacetAs; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro 'nvatapsyat

05047013a kRSNavartmeva jvalitaH samiddho; yathA dahet kakSam agnir nidAghe

05047013c evaM dagdhA dhArtarASTrasya senAM; yudhiSThiraH krodhadIpto 'nuvIkSya

05047014a yadA draSTA bhImasenaM raNasthaM; gadAhastaM krodhaviSaM vamantam

05047014c durmarSaNaM pANDavaM bhImavegaM; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro 'nvatapsyat

05047015a mahAsiMho gAva iva pravizya; gadApANir dhArtarASTrAn upetya

05047015c yadA bhImo bhImarUpo nihantA; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro 'nvatapsyat

05047016a mahAbhaye vItabhayaH kRtAstraH; samAgame zatrubalAvamardI

05047016c sakRd rathena pratiyAd rathaughAn; padAtisaMghAn gadayAbhinighnan

05047017a sainyAn anekAMs tarasA vimRdnan; yadA kSeptA dhArtarASTrasya sainyam

05047017c chindan vanaM parazuneva zUras; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro 'nvatapsyat

05047018a tRNaprAyaM jvalaneneva dagdhaM; grAmaM yathA dhArtarASTraH samIkSya

05047018c pakvaM sasyaM vaidyuteneva dagdhaM; parAsiktaM vipulaM svaM balaugham

05047019a hatapravIraM vimukhaM bhayArtaM; parAGmukhaM prAyazo 'dhRSTayodham

05047019c zastrArciSA bhImasenena dagdhaM; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro 'nvatapsyat

05047020a upAsaGgAd uddharan dakSiNena; paraHzatAn nakulaz citrayodhI

05047020c yadA rathAgryo rathinaH pracetA; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro 'nvatapsyat

05047021a sukhocito duHkhazayyAM vaneSu; dIrghaM kAlaM nakulo yAm azeta

05047021c AzIviSaH kruddha iva zvasan bhRzaM; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro

'nvatapsyat

05047022a tyaktAtmAnaH pArthivAyodhanAya; samAdiSTA dharmarAjena vIrAH

05047022c rathaiH zubhraiH sainyam abhidravanto; dRSTvA pazcAt tapsyate

dhArtarASTraH

05047023a zizUn kRtAstrAn azizuprakAzAn; yadA draSTA kauravaH paJca zUrAn

05047023c tyaktvA prANAn kekayAn Adravantas; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro

'nvatapsyat

05047024a yadA gatodvAham akUjanAkSaM; suvarNatAraM ratham AtatAyI

05047024c dAntair yuktaM sahadevo 'dhirUDhaH; zirAMsi rAjJAM kSepsyate

mArgaNaughaiH

05047025a mahAbhaye saMpravRtte rathasthaM; vivartamAnaM samare kRtAstram

05047025c sarvAM dizaM saMpatantaM samIkSya; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro

'nvatapsyat

05047026a hrIniSedho nipuNaH satyavAdI; mahAbalaH sarvadharmopapannaH

05047026c gAndhArim ArcchaMs tumule kSiprakArI; kSeptA janAn sahadevas tarasvI

05047027a yadA draSTA draupadeyAn maheSUJ; zUrAn kRtAstrAn rathayuddhakovidAn

05047027c AzIviSAn ghoraviSAn ivAyatas; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro 'nvatapsyat

05047028a yadAbhimanyuH paravIraghAtI; zaraiH parAn megha ivAbhivarSan

05047028c vigAhitA kRSNasamaH kRtAstras; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro 'nvatapsyat

05047029a yadA draSTA bAlam abAlavIryaM; dviSaccamUM mRtyum ivApatantam

05047029c saubhadram indrapratimaM kRtAstraM; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro

'nvatapsyat

05047030a prabhadrakAH zIghratarA yuvAno; vizAradAH siMhasamAnavIryAH

05047030c yadA kSeptAro dhArtarASTrAn sasainyAMs; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro

'nvatapsyat

05047031a vRddhau virATadrupadau mahArathau; pRthak camUbhyAm abhivartamAnau

05047031c yadA draSTArau dhArtarASTrAn sasainyAMs; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro

'nvatapsyat

05047032a yadA kRtAstro drupadaH pracinvaJ; zirAMsi yUnAM samare rathasthaH

05047032c kruddhaH zaraiz chetsyati cApamuktais; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro

'nvatapsyat

05047033a yadA virATaH paravIraghAtI; marmAntare zatrucamUM praveSTA

05047033c matsyaiH sArdham anRzaMsarUpais; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro 'nvatapsyat

05047034a jyeSThaM mAtsyAnAm anRzaMsarUpaM; virATaputraM rathinaM purastAt

05047034c yadA draSTA daMzitaM pANDavArthe; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro

'nvatapsyat

05047035a raNe hate kauravANAM pravIre; zikhaNDinA sattame zaMtanUje

05047035c na jAtu naH zatravo dhArayeyur; asaMzayaM satyam etad bravImi

05047036a yadA zikhaNDI rathinaH pracinvan; bhISmaM rathenAbhiyAtA varUthI

05047036c divyair hayair avamRdnan rathaughAMs; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro

'nvatapsyat

05047037a yadA draSTA sRJjayAnAm anIke; dhRSTadyumnaM pramukhe rocamAnam

05047037c astraM yasmai guhyam uvAca dhImAn; droNas tadA tapsyati dhArtarASTraH

05047038a yadA sa senApatir aprameyaH; parAbhavann iSubhir dhArtarASTrAn

05047038c droNaM raNe zatrusaho 'bhiyAtA; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro 'nvatapsyat

05047039a hrImAn manISI balavAn manasvI; sa lakSmIvAn somakAnAM prabarhaH

05047039c na jAtu taM zatravo 'nye saheran; yeSAM sa syAd agraNIr vRSNisiMhaH

05047040a brUyAc ca mA pravRNISveti loke; yuddhe 'dvitIyaM sacivaM rathastham

05047040c ziner naptAraM pravRNIma sAtyakiM; mahAbalaM vItabhayaM kRtAstram

05047041a yadA zinInAm adhipo mayoktaH; zaraiH parAn megha iva pravarSan

05047041c pracchAdayiSyaJ zarajAlena yodhAMs; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro

'nvatapsyat

05047042a yadA dhRtiM kurute yotsyamAnaH; sa dIrghabAhur dRDhadhanvA mahAtmA

05047042c siMhasyeva gandham AghrAya gAvaH; saMveSTante zatravo 'smAd yathAgneH

05047043a sa dIrghabAhur dRDhadhanvA mahAtmA; bhindyAd girIn saMharet sarvalokAn

05047043c astre kRtI nipuNaH kSiprahasto; divi sthitaH sUrya ivAbhibhAti

05047044a citraH sUkSmaH sukRto yAdavasya; astre yogo vRSNisiMhasya bhUyAn

05047044c yathAvidhaM yogam AhuH prazastaM; sarvair guNaiH sAtyakis tair upetaH

05047045a hiraNmayaM zvetahayaiz caturbhir; yadA yuktaM syandanaM mAdhavasya

05047045c draSTA yuddhe sAtyaker vai suyodhanas; tadA tapsyaty akRtAtmA sa

mandaH

05047046a yadA rathaM hemamaNiprakAzaM; zvetAzvayuktaM vAnaraketum ugram

05047046c draSTA raNe saMyataM kezavena; tadA tapsyaty akRtAtmA sa mandaH

05047047a yadA maurvyAs talaniSpeSam ugraM; mahAzabdaM vajraniSpeSatulyam

05047047c vidhUyamAnasya mahAraNe mayA; gANDIvasya zroSyati mandabuddhiH

05047048a tadA mUDho dhRtarASTrasya putras; taptA yuddhe durmatir duHsahAyaH

05047048c dRSTvA sainyaM bANavarSAndhakAraM; prabhajyantaM gokulavad raNAgre

05047049a balAhakAd uccarantIva vidyut; sahasraghnI dviSatAM saMgameSu

05047049c asthicchido marmabhido vamec charAMs; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro

'nvatapsyat

05047050a yadA draSTA jyAmukhAd bANasaMghAn; gANDIvamuktAn patataH zitAgrAn

05047050c nAgAn hayAn varmiNaz cAdadAnAMs; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro 'nvatapsyat

05047051a yadA mandaH parabANAn vimuktAn; mameSubhir hriyamANAn pratIpam

05047051c tiryag vidvAMz chidyamAnAn kSuraprais; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro

'nvatapsyat

05047052a yadA vipAThA madbhujavipramuktA; dvijAH phalAnIva mahIruhAgrAt

05047052c pracchettAra uttamAGgAni yUnAM; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro 'nvatapsyat

05047053a yadA draSTA patataH syandanebhyo; mahAgajebhyo 'zvagatAMz ca yodhAn

05047053c zarair hatAn pAtitAMz caiva raGge; tadA yuddhaM dhArtarASTro

'nvatapsyat

05047054a padAtisaMghAn rathasaMghAn samantAd; vyAttAnanaH kAla ivAtateSuH

05047054c praNotsyAmi jvalitair bANavarSaiH; zatrUMs tadA tapsyati mandabuddhiH

05047055a sarvA dizaH saMpatatA rathena; rajodhvastaM gANDivenApakRttam

05047055c yadA draSTA svabalaM saMpramUDhaM; tadA pazcAt tapsyati mandabuddhiH

05047056a kAMdigbhUtaM chinnagAtraM visaMjJaM; duryodhano drakSyati sarvasainyam

05047056c hatAzvavIrAgryanare ndranAgaM; pipAsitaM zrAntapatraM bhayArtam

05047057a ArtasvaraM hanyamAnaM hataM ca; vikIrNakezAsthikapA lasaMgham

05047057c prajApateH karma yathArdhaniSThitaM; tadA dRSTvA tapsyate mandabuddhiH

05047058a yadA rathe gANDivaM vAsudevaM; divyaM zaGkhaM pAJcajanyaM hayAMz ca

05047058c tUNAv akSayyau devadattaM ca mAM ca; draSTA yuddhe dhArtarASTraH

sametAn

05047059a udvartayan dasyusaMghAn sametAn; pravartayan yugam anyad yugAnte

05047059c yadA dhakSyAmy agnivat kauraveyAMs; tadA taptA dhRtarASTraH saputraH

05047060a sahabhrAtA sahaputraH sasainyo; bhraSTaizvaryaH krodhavazo 'lpacetAH

05047060c darpasyAnte vihite vepamAnaH; pazcAn mandas tapsyati dhArtarASTraH

05047061a pUrvAhNe mAM kRtajapyaM kadA cid; vipraH provAcodakAnte manojJam

05047061c kartavyaM te duSkaraM karma pArtha; yoddhavyaM te zatrubhiH savyasAcin

05047062a indro vA te harivAn vajrahastaH; purastAd yAtu samare 'rIn vinighnan

05047062c sugrIvayuktena rathena vA te; pazcAt kRSNo rakSatu vAsudevaH

05047063a vavre cAhaM vajrahastAn mahendrAd; asmin yuddhe vAsudevaM sahAyam

05047063c sa me labdho dasyuvadhAya kRSNo; manye caitad vihitaM daivatair me

05047064a ayudhyamAno manasApi yasya; jayaM kRSNaH puruSasyAbhinandet

05047064c dhruvaM sarvAn so 'bhyatIyAd amitrAn; sendrAn devAn mAnuSe nAsti cintA

05047065a sa bAhubhyAM sAgaram uttitIrSen; mahodadhiM salilasyAprameyam

05047065c tejasvinaM kRSNam atyantazUraM; yuddhena yo vAsudevaM jigISet

05047066a giriM ya iccheta talena bhettuM; ziloccayaM zvetam atipramANam

05047066c tasyaiva pANiH sanakho vizIryen; na cApi kiM cit sa gires tu kuryAt

05047067a agniM samiddhaM zamayed bhujAbhyAM; candraM ca sUryaM ca nivArayeta

05047067c hared devAnAm amRtaM prasahya; yuddhena yo vAsudevaM jigISet

05047068a yo rukmiNIm ekarathena bhojyAm; utsAdya rAjJAM viSayaM prasahya

05047068c uvAha bhAryAM yazasA jvalantIM; yasyAM jajJe raukmiNeyo mahAtmA

05047069a ayaM gAndhArAMs tarasA saMpramathya; jitvA putrAn nagnajitaH samagrAn

05047069c baddhaM mumoca vinadantaM prasahya; sudarzanIyaM devatAnAM lalAmam

05047070a ayaM kavATe nijaghAna pANDyaM; tathA kaliGgAn dantakUre mamarda

05047070c anena dagdhA varSapUgAn vinAthA; vArANasI nagarI saMbabhUva

05047071a yaM sma yuddhe manyate 'nyair ajeyam; ekalavyaM nAma niSAdarAjam

05047071c vegeneva zailam abhihatya jambhaH; zete sa kRSNena hataH parAsuH

05047072a tathograsenasya sutaM praduSTaM; vRSNyandhakAnAM madhyagAM tapantam

05047072c apAtayad baladevadvitIyo; hatvA dadau cograsenAya rAjyam

05047073a ayaM saubhaM yodhayAm Asa khasthaM; vibhISaNaM mAyayA zAlvarAjam

05047073c saubhadvAri pratyagRhNAc chataghnIM; dorbhyAM ka enaM viSaheta martyaH

05047074a prAgjyotiSaM nAma babhUva durgaM; puraM ghoram asurANAm asahyam

05047074c mahAbalo narakas tatra bhaumo; jahArAdityA maNikuNDale zubhe

05047075a na taM devAH saha zakreNa sehire; samAgatA AharaNAya bhItAH

05047075c dRSTvA ca te vikramaM kezavasya; balaM tathaivAstram avAraNIyam

05047076a jAnanto 'sya prakRtiM kezavasya; nyayojayan dasyuvadhAya kRSNam

05047076c sa tat karma pratizuzrAva duSkaram; aizvaryavAn siddhiSu vAsudevaH

05047077a nirmocane SaT sahasrANi hatvA; saMchidya pAzAn sahasA kSurAntAn

05047077c muraM hatvA vinihatyaugharAkSas aM; nirmocanaM cApi jagAma vIraH

05047078a tatraiva tenAsya babhUva yuddhaM; mahAbalenAtibalasya viSNoH

05047078c zete sa kRSNena hataH parAsur; vAteneva mathitaH karNikAraH

05047079a AhRtya kRSNo maNikuNDale te; hatvA ca bhaumaM narakaM muraM ca

05047079c zriyA vRto yazasA caiva dhImAn; pratyAjagAmApratima prabhAvaH

05047080a tasmai varAn adadaMs tatra devA; dRSTvA bhImaM karma raNe kRtaM tat

05047080c zramaz ca te yudhyamAnasya na syAd; AkAze vA apsu caiva kramaH syAt

05047081a zastrANi gAtre ca na te kramerann; ity eva kRSNaz ca tataH kRtArthaH

05047081c evaMrUpe vAsudeve 'prameye; mahAbale guNasaMpat sadaiva

05047082a tam asahyaM viSNum anantavIryam; AzaMsate dhArtarASTro balena

05047082c yadA hy enaM tarkayate durAtmA; tac cApy ayaM sahate 'smAn samIkSya

05047083a paryAgataM mama kRSNasya caiva; yo manyate kalahaM saMprayujya

05047083c zakyaM hartuM pANDavAnAM mamatvaM; tad veditA saMyugaM tatra gatvA

05047084a namaskRtvA zAMtanavAya rAjJe; droNAyAtho sahaputrAya caiva

05047084c zAradvatAyApratidva ndvine ca; yotsyAmy ahaM rAjyam abhIpsamAnaH

05047085a dharmeNAstraM niyataM tasya manye; yo yotsyate pANDavair dharmacArI

05047085c mithyAglahe nirjitA vai nRzaMsaiH; saMvatsarAn dvAdaza pANDuputrAH

05047086a avApya kRcchraM vihitaM hy araNye; dIrghaM kAlaM caikam ajJAtacaryAm

05047086c te hy akasmAj jIvitaM pANDavAnAM; na mRSyante dhArtarASTrAH padasthAH

05047087a te ced asmAn yudhyamAnAJ jayeyur; devair apIndrapramukhaiH sahAyaiH

05047087c dharmAd adharmaz carito garIyAn; iti dhruvaM nAsti kRtaM na sAdhu

05047088a na ced imaM puruSaM karmabaddhaM; na ced asmAn manyate 'sau viziSTAn

05047088c AzaMse 'haM vAsudevadvitIyo; duryodhanaM sAnubandhaM nihantum

05047089a na ced idaM karma nareSu baddhaM; na vidyate puruSasya svakarma

05047089c idaM ca tac cApi samIkSya nUnaM; parAjayo dhArtarASTrasya sAdhuH

05047090a pratyakSaM vaH kuravo yad bravImi; yudhyamAnA dhArtarASTrA na santi

05047090c anyatra yuddhAt kuravaH parIpsan; na yudhyatAM zeSa ihAsti kaz cit

05047091a hatvA tv ahaM dhArtarASTrAn sakarNAn; rAjyaM kurUNAm avajetA samagram

05047091c yad vaH kAryaM tat kurudhvaM yathAsvam; iSTAn dArAn AtmajAMz

copabhuGkta

05047092a apy evaM no brAhmaNAH santi vRddhA; bahuzrutAH zIlavantaH kulInAH

05047092c sAMvatsarA jyotiSi cApi yuktA; nakSatrayogeSu ca nizcayajJAH

05047093a uccAvacaM daivayuktaM rahasyaM; divyAH praznA mRgacakrA muhUrtAH

05047093c kSayaM mahAntaM kurusRJjayAnAM; nivedayante pANDavAnAM jayaM ca

05047094a tathA hi no manyate 'jAtazatruH; saMsiddhArtho dviSatAM nigrahAya

05047094c janArdanaz cApy aparokSavidyo; na saMzayaM pazyati vRSNisiMhaH

05047095a ahaM ca jAnAmi bhaviSyarUpaM; pazyAmi buddhyA svayam apramattaH

05047095c dRSTiz ca me na vyathate purANI; yudhyamAnA dhArtarASTrA na santi

05047096a anAlabdhaM jRmbhati gANDivaM dhanur; anAlabdhA kampati me dhanurjyA

05047096c bANAz ca me tUNamukhAd visRjya; muhur muhur gantum uzanti caiva

05047097a saikyaH kozAn niHsarati prasanno; hitveva jIrNAm uragas tvacaM svAm

05047097c dhvaje vAco raudrarUpA vadanti; kadA ratho yokSyate te kirITin

05047098a gomAyusaMghAz ca vadanti rAtrau; rakSAMsy atho niSpatanty antarikSAt

05047098c mRgAH zRgAlAH zitikaNThAz ca kAkA; gRdhrA baDAz caiva tarakSavaz ca

05047099a suparNapAtAz ca patanti pazcAd; dRSTvA rathaM zvetahayaprayuktam

05047099c ahaM hy ekaH pArthivAn sarvayodhAJ; zarAn varSan mRtyulokaM nayeyam

05047100a samAdadAnaH pRthag astramArgAn; yathAgnir iddho gahanaM nidAghe

05047100c sthUNAkarNaM pAzupataM ca ghoraM; tathA brahmAstraM yac ca zakro

viveda

05047101a vadhe dhRto vegavataH pramuJcan; nAhaM prajAH kiM cid ivAvaziSye

05047101c zAntiM lapsye paramo hy eSa bhAvaH; sthiro mama brUhi gAvalgaNe tAn

05047102a nityaM punaH sacivair yair avocad; devAn apIndrapramukhAn sahAyAn

05047102c tair manyate kalahaM saMprayujya; sa dhArtarASTraH pazyata moham asya

05047103a vRddho bhISmaH zAMtanavaH kRpaz ca; droNaH saputro viduraz ca dhImAn

05047103c ete sarve yad vadante tad astu; AyuSmantaH kuravaH santu sarve

[in response to Shri AK Kaul's post (Jun 22, 2009) at

http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5193]

June 22, 2009

--- On Mon, 6/22/09, Shivraj <Shivraj wrote:

Shivraj <Shivraj

[Abhinavagupta] Re: References of Rashis in the Vedaas and the Vedanga

Jyotisha.

Abhinavagupta

Monday, June 22, 2009, 4:17 AM

Kaulji and Francesco ji,

> Avtar Krishen Kaul wrote:

>

> 4. Zodiac is an " imaginary belt " with " imaginary animals "

> none of which is equal to one another. Those animals were

> known as constellations and became known as Mesha etc.

> rashis later. They are actually of Greek origin, whereas

> nakshatras are of Indian origin.

>

If we read RgVedic Hymn: 1.164.11, it mentions " sun having twelve spokes in his

wheel " . This is clearly a twelve fold division of the

ecliptic. Now are you and Brighenti by any chance making the absurd

suggestion that the rig vedic seers would have waited for

1000 years (still assuming the AIT scholars' date of 1400

B.C. for Rig Veda), for the arrival of the Alexandrian Greeks to

label these twelve divisions of Sun's path through the firmament?

Seems illogical doesn't it?

[Reply to Avtar's post (21 June 2009) at

http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5186]

> Francesco Brighenti wrote:

>

> This appears to me to support (or either not to contradict) the

> contention that the zodiac was imported into India from

> Irano-Chaldaean sources between the phase of Achaemenid

> supremacy over present-day Pakistan and the subsequent advent

> of the Greeks following Alexander's invasion of the same

> territories.

Please read the Rig Vedic Hymn given above. Now please tell us

a reference from Irano Chaldean sources of proven provenance

which predates RigVeda in referring to a 12 fold division

of the ecliptic. If we cannot find one then the thesis that Greeks

brought this " knowledge " into India stands rejected.

[Reply to Francesco's post (21 June 2009) at

http://groups. / group/Abhinavagu pta/message/ 5185]

June 23, 2009