PROOF of Length of Divya Varsha , and lies of Sunil Bhattacharjya

July 16, 2009

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Let Vinay Jha show that one Divyavarsha is 360 Human years. Vinay Jha

is an incorrigible lliar.

>

> -SKB

>

> --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16

> Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

the nakshatras

>

> Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 11:42 PM

>

> To All :

>

> Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya (SKB) is now caught red handed again

> while citing ancient texts falsely. He imagined I have no access to

Vayu

> Purana, and therefore deliberately lied about it. Although I do not

possess

> Vayu Purana at present, I have a large network of scholars on account

of being

> the panchanga-maker of 9 panchangas in UP, Bihar, Chhattisgarh,

> Orissa, and being trustee and secretary of many centrally recognized

Sanskrit

> schools and colleges where post-dictoral reaserches are carried out. I

> contacted my friends, who searched Vayu Purana and told me on

telephone that

> SKB is lying.

>

> He says : " Vayu purana which says that Divyavarsha is

> Solar year " . It is a lie. Ask this fellolw to cite the verse in

> full, if there is any such verse in Vayu Purana or in any ancient

text.

>

> Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him to quote the

verse verbatim. SKB is a confirmed liar, who lied about Siddhantas, then

about MBh, then about Vishnu Purana, then about Bhagavata Purana, and

when I supplied him verses from these texts, he now falsely quotes Vayu

Purana, thinking I will never be able to procure it.

>

> -VJ

> ============ ========= ==== ===

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @>

>

> Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:55:37 AM

> Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

the nakshatras

>

> Mallaji,

>

> I have already given the reference of chapter 57 of the Vayu purana

which says that Divyavarsha is Solar year and Manushya varsha is the

Sidereal Lunar year.

>

> Now ask Vinay Jha to quote the reference where it is written that one

Divya Varsha is equal to 360 Human years.

>

> This itself will show that Vinay Jha is telling a lie. He also told

that Svetasvatara upanishad does not mention Sankhya and this is a lie

as I have given reference that the Chapter 6, verse 13 of Svetasvatara

upanishad does mention Sankhya.

>

> I am giving concrete evidence and Vinay Jha only asserts vaguely as

only a liar does. Does he think that the members of the forum cannot see

through his lies?

>

> Sincerely,

>

> SKB

>

> --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

>

> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

the nakshatras

>

> Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 9:03 AM

>

> Malla Ji,

>

> Whether someone accepts a cycle of 360 years or not is another

> matter, but if someone deliberately misinterprets ancient texts just

> to put forth his own agenda, then it is a serious crime. Divya Varsha

is a

> DIVYA cycle, which you will never find in Nature. nature is material

or

> sensory world, but it is wrong to imagine that the Cosmos is limited

to human

> sense organs only.

>

> SKB is a liar. Here are some examples

> of his falsehoods :

>

> SKB cited Mahabharata (MBh) for a wrong definition of Divya Varsha

> (being equal to a solar year instead of being equal to 360 human years

as

> mentioned in ancient texts). When I sent correct citations from MBh

(together

> with citations from all ancient Jyotisha Siddhantas) , he avoided any

talk on

> MBh and Siddhant-Jyotisha texts, and wrongly quoted Vishnu Purana out

of

> context.

>

> When I sent him relevant verses from Vishnu Purana to disprove

> him, he changed stance and said Bhagavata Purana is the " highest "

> Purana.

>

> When I sent verses from Bhagavata Purana, he changed stance again

> and said Vayu Purana is the " only " proof of Divya Varsha,

> because Vayu Purana is not available on internet and I do not possess

Vayu

> Purana ( I have ordered for it, which he knows ).

>

> SKB has a habit of taking a verse out of context without

> referring to preceding verses, which he did in the case of all texts

mentioned

> above. When I will send verses from Vayu Purana, he will jump to

Skanda Purana

> or to some other text. There will be no end of this type of debate

with a

> dishonest person.

>

> Should I reproduce all past messages which will convince members

> here that this fellow is not sincere, and he is deliberately quoting

scriptures

> falsely for proving his wrong ideas? These exchanges occurred during

first half

> of May and I have never deleted any messages from my archives.

>

> -VJ

> ============ ========= === ====

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @>

>

> Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:16:05 PM

> Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

the nakshatras

>

> Harimallaji,

>

> Vinay Jha has not given a single proof that Divya varsha is to be

multiplied by 360 to get Hman years. Let him give one single clear

reference to prove wha he claims. With his lying and boasting he will

not be able to convince anybody. Will he take this challenge? In 24

hours you will know Vinay Jha.

>

> SKB

>

> --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

>

> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

the nakshatras

>

> Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 11:19 PM

>

> Malla Ji,

>

> SKB (Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya) is taking a recorse to blatant lies.

Initially, he quoted Mahabharata for his wrong definition of divya

varsha being equal to a solar year.

>

> When I sent correct citations from MBh (together with all ancient

Jyotisha Siddhantas) , he quoted Vishnu Purana out of context.

>

> When I sent him relevant verses from Vishnu Purana, he said Bhagavata

Purana is the highest Purana.

>

> When I sent verses from Bhagavata Purana, he said Vayu Purana is the

only proof of Divya Varsha, because Vayu Purana is not available on

internet and I do not possess Vayu Purana ( I have ordered for it, which

he knows ).

>

> Although I do not possess Vayu Purana, I am sure he is deliberately

quoting it falsely, taking a verse out of context without referring to

preceding verses, which he did in the case of other yexts mentioned

above.

>

> Should I reproduce all past messages which will convince you that this

fellow is not sincere, and he is deliberfately quoting scriptures

falsely for proving his wrong ideas. Recently, he cited Saamkhya

wrongly, and called me names ( " idiot " & c) just because I produce correct

citations from ancient texts.

>

> You have never cited any scripture FALSELY, although I have

differences of opinions with you. Academic discussion cannot be carried

out with insincere and false persons like SKB.

>

> -VJ

>

> ============ ======= ====

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> " harimalla@rocketma i l.com " harimalla@rocketma i l.com>

>

> Wednesday, July 15, 2009 8:50:08 AM

> Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of the

nakshatras

>

> Dear Bhattacharjyaji,

> You said,

> quote

> <Please quote reference from the scriptures before contesting what the

Vayu Purana says.>

> unquote

> May we know what the Vayu Purana says,please quote the verse and

chapter.thank you.

> Regards

> Hari Malla

>

> , Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> >

> > Shri Harimallaji,

> >

> > 1)

> > First you said:

> >

> > Quote

> >

> > Divya varsha costumarily is 360 years.I have also asked what is this

> > imaginary cycle of 360 years? None of us ever knows what this

imaginary

> > cycle of 360years is.Thus this is just a symbolic cycle, not existig

in

> > nature.

> >

> > Unquote

> >

> > 2)

> > Now you say:

> >

> > Quote

> >

> > In fact even the four yugas are limited to only one year, at the

four

> > cardinal points, because at various points of the year, panchangas

> > mention as satya yugadi, treta yugadi, dwapar yugadi etc.This must

be

> > true only for real siddhas,since Rohit was told by Indra that the

four

> > yugas are nothing but the act of walking,standing, sitting and

sleeping.

> >

> > Unquote

> >

> > You seem to be pretty confused. Nobody an remove your confusion just

by sending a couple of mails. If you wish you can read the Vayu purana.

However I would not insist.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > SKB

> >

> > --- On Mon, 7/13/09, harimalla@ . harimalla@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > harimalla@ . harimalla@ ..>

> > Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of the

nakshatras

> >

> > Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:29 PM

> >

> > Dear Bhattacharjyaji,

> >

> > I have no intention to contest with any one or any shastras.What you

tell me I will accept.May I know what it says there.

> >

> > If it says it is only one year, it is also acceptable.In fact even

the four yugas are limited to only one year, at the four cardinal

points, because at various points of the year, panchangas mention as

satya yugadi, treta yugadi, dwapar yugadi etc.This must be true only for

real siddhas,since Rohit was told by Indra that the four yugas are

nothing but the act of walking,standing, sitting and sleeping.This is

quoted by Shankar Balakrishna Dixit in his Bharatiya jyotish.

> >

> > For the common men,the year is just a year,but for siddhaas it is

the whole history of humanaity.if we add ten zeros to one year,which is

perfrectly OK if zeros have zero values, it will be the whole history of

humanity from pralaya to pralaya.

> >

> > When sidhantas speak of millions of years, I feel they are only

symbolic figures not to be taken literally,only to undertstand their

parokshya meanings.

> >

> > For example, the 12 years of jupiter's orbit is multiplied by 36o

(or 365 just to denote the year) then again by 1000 to denote the

sidereal nature or the vision of the star world.365 and 1000 are

symbolic figures and not to be taken literally, but with special

meanings.Even 12 is not to be taken as 12 years, but as the 12 months of

the year, as indicated in Ramayan and Mahabharat.

> >

> > Thus the puranas are vedas for those who understand the porakshya

meanings.Ror others they are fantastic stories.The sidhantas are also

written many places in the same spirit as the puranas.Thank you,

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Hari Malla

> >

> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Shri harimallaji,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Please quote reference from the scriptures before contesting what

the Vayu purana says.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Sincerely,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > SKB

> >

> > >

> >

> > > --- On Mon, 7/13/09, harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..>

> >

> > > Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

the nakshatras

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Monday, July 13, 2009, 9:05 AM

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Dear sirs,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Divya varsha costumarily is 360 years.I have also asked what is

this imaginary cycle of 360 years? None of us ever knows what this

imaginary cycle of 360years is.Thus this is just a symbolic cycle, not

existig in nature.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Regards

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Hari Malla

> >

> > >

> >

July 16, 2009

To All :

Another proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana, which

presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details than any other

Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

" Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayanam smritam

tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24, ch-5)

" uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half of verse-25,

ch-5)

Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas (uttaraayana and

dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which is one " din " of the gods. Next

line says that uttaraayana is " divasa " while dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana, Suryasiddhanta,

Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB says it is vague !!! SKB does not

know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him, hence it is impossible to convince him

what the Puranas & c say.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined in same verse.

Then, verse-6 says :

" taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

" six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and dakshina make

one year

dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Chapter-5 of Vishnu Purana says same thing :

Verse-9 defines " maanusha " measure, which is then used to define divya day in

verse-10 (ch-3 of first amsha) , which is an exact replica of Koorma Puranas

verse cited above ( " taih shadbhir-ayanam ... " ). Since all Puranas were compiled

by Vyaasa Ji, some verses are replicated in different Puranas. In Vishnu Purana,

this verse is spoken by Sage Parashara.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various types of Varshas,

and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as different typres. It is

clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one human year is equal to one

divya day-night. In next verse, it is said that " 30 years (of humans) constitute

one divya month " , the language is copy of Matsya Purana's definition of the same

sent by me earlier ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

" Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya samvatsara " .

Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana about the length

of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much(poorva-bhaaga said by Vaayu) :

Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas, verse 61-62

repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in chapter-28 od

second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on the basis of

laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure of year in this world.

verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides day and night in maanusha-loka,

and other measures like month and year are measured in terms of this solar

measure.

Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in the manner of

Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya varsha to be equal to 360

maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact replica of Matsya Purana.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya :

Verse-7 says :

" dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of gods) "

Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga. Verses 15- say

that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam) varshas which are

equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the ratio is 360 maanusha

varshas in one divya varsha :

852000 divya varshas = " ashtau-shat-sahasraani-divyayaa-samkhyayaa-snritah /

dvi-panchaashat-tathaa-anyaani-sahasraani-adhikaanicha " (verse 15-16) ; which

are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas " trint-koti-astu-sampoornaah

samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa / sapta-shashtih-tathaa-anyaani-niyutaani-mahaamate

/ vimshatishch-sahasraani-kaaloyamadhikamvinaa /

manvantarasya-samkhyaeyam-maanushairiha-vatsareh / "

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka says (about the

kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day of gods, and

says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of gods. Then, Verse-15 says

:

" Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

= " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are one Varsha of

Gods "

Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpanaam " , ie, chaturyuga (of

12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya year (of 360 human years) "

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

I had already sent citations from Brahma-siddhanta of Brahmagupta based on

Puranic measures, from Suryasiddhanta which was called divine by Varaha mihira

and Bhaskar-ii besodes others, from Aryabhatiya, from Mahabharata, but Mr Sunil

Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his abusive attack on me. Now,

he will be faced with more irrefutable proofs, and instead of being delighted at

the sight of Truth, he will be raged with anger for being refuted, as he did

always in past, and will abuse me more, which will harm him and not me. I

cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood to another.

-VJ

======================= ===

________________________________

vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16

Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:37:25 PM

Re: PROOF of Length of Divya Varsha , and lies of

Sunil Bhattacharjya

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

>

> Let Vinay Jha show that one Divyavarsha is 360 Human years. Vinay Jha

is an incorrigible lliar.

>

> -SKB

>

> --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16@ ... wrote:

>

> Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16@ ...

> Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

the nakshatras

>

> Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 11:42 PM

To All :

>

> Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya (SKB) is now caught red handed again

> while citing ancient texts falsely. He imagined I have no access to

Vayu

> Purana, and therefore deliberately lied about it. Although I do not

possess

> Vayu Purana at present, I have a large network of scholars on account

of being

> the panchanga-maker of 9 panchangas in UP, Bihar, Chhattisgarh,

> Orissa, and being trustee and secretary of many centrally recognized

Sanskrit

> schools and colleges where post-dictoral reaserches are carried out. I

> contacted my friends, who searched Vayu Purana and told me on

telephone that

> SKB is lying.

>

> He says : " Vayu purana which says that Divyavarsha is

> Solar year " . It is a lie. Ask this fellolw to cite the verse in

> full, if there is any such verse in Vayu Purana or in any ancient

text.

>

> Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him to quote the

verse verbatim. SKB is a confirmed liar, who lied about Siddhantas, then

about MBh, then about Vishnu Purana, then about Bhagavata Purana, and

when I supplied him verses from these texts, he now falsely quotes Vayu

Purana, thinking I will never be able to procure it.

>

> -VJ

> ============ ========= ==== ===

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @>

>

> Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:55:37 AM

> Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

the nakshatras

>

> Mallaji,

>

> I have already given the reference of chapter 57 of the Vayu purana

which says that Divyavarsha is Solar year and Manushya varsha is the

Sidereal Lunar year.

>

> Now ask Vinay Jha to quote the reference where it is written that one

Divya Varsha is equal to 360 Human years.

>

> This itself will show that Vinay Jha is telling a lie. He also told

that Svetasvatara upanishad does not mention Sankhya and this is a lie

as I have given reference that the Chapter 6, verse 13 of Svetasvatara

upanishad does mention Sankhya.

>

> I am giving concrete evidence and Vinay Jha only asserts vaguely as

only a liar does. Does he think that the members of the forum cannot see

through his lies?

>

> Sincerely,

>

> SKB

>

> --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

>

> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

the nakshatras

>

> Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 9:03 AM

>

> Malla Ji,

>

> Whether someone accepts a cycle of 360 years or not is another

> matter, but if someone deliberately misinterprets ancient texts just

> to put forth his own agenda, then it is a serious crime. Divya Varsha

is a

> DIVYA cycle, which you will never find in Nature. nature is material

or

> sensory world, but it is wrong to imagine that the Cosmos is limited

to human

> sense organs only.

>

> SKB is a liar. Here are some examples

> of his falsehoods :

>

> SKB cited Mahabharata (MBh) for a wrong definition of Divya Varsha

> (being equal to a solar year instead of being equal to 360 human years

as

> mentioned in ancient texts). When I sent correct citations from MBh

(together

> with citations from all ancient Jyotisha Siddhantas) , he avoided any

talk on

> MBh and Siddhant-Jyotisha texts, and wrongly quoted Vishnu Purana out

of

> context.

>

> When I sent him relevant verses from Vishnu Purana to disprove

> him, he changed stance and said Bhagavata Purana is the " highest "

> Purana.

>

> When I sent verses from Bhagavata Purana, he changed stance again

> and said Vayu Purana is the " only " proof of Divya Varsha,

> because Vayu Purana is not available on internet and I do not possess

Vayu

> Purana ( I have ordered for it, which he knows ).

>

> SKB has a habit of taking a verse out of context without

> referring to preceding verses, which he did in the case of all texts

mentioned

> above. When I will send verses from Vayu Purana, he will jump to

Skanda Purana

> or to some other text. There will be no end of this type of debate

with a

> dishonest person.

>

> Should I reproduce all past messages which will convince members

> here that this fellow is not sincere, and he is deliberately quoting

scriptures

> falsely for proving his wrong ideas? These exchanges occurred during

first half

> of May and I have never deleted any messages from my archives.

>

> -VJ

> ============ ========= === ====

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @>

>

> Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:16:05 PM

> Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

the nakshatras

>

> Harimallaji,

>

> Vinay Jha has not given a single proof that Divya varsha is to be

multiplied by 360 to get Hman years. Let him give one single clear

reference to prove wha he claims. With his lying and boasting he will

not be able to convince anybody. Will he take this challenge? In 24

hours you will know Vinay Jha.

>

> SKB

>

> --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

>

> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

the nakshatras

>

> Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 11:19 PM

>

> Malla Ji,

>

> SKB (Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya) is taking a recorse to blatant lies.

Initially, he quoted Mahabharata for his wrong definition of divya

varsha being equal to a solar year.

>

> When I sent correct citations from MBh (together with all ancient

Jyotisha Siddhantas) , he quoted Vishnu Purana out of context.

>

> When I sent him relevant verses from Vishnu Purana, he said Bhagavata

Purana is the highest Purana.

>

> When I sent verses from Bhagavata Purana, he said Vayu Purana is the

only proof of Divya Varsha, because Vayu Purana is not available on

internet and I do not possess Vayu Purana ( I have ordered for it, which

he knows ).

>

> Although I do not possess Vayu Purana, I am sure he is deliberately

quoting it falsely, taking a verse out of context without referring to

preceding verses, which he did in the case of other yexts mentioned

above.

>

> Should I reproduce all past messages which will convince you that this

fellow is not sincere, and he is deliberfately quoting scriptures

falsely for proving his wrong ideas. Recently, he cited Saamkhya

wrongly, and called me names ( " idiot " & c) just because I produce correct

citations from ancient texts.

>

> You have never cited any scripture FALSELY, although I have

differences of opinions with you. Academic discussion cannot be carried

out with insincere and false persons like SKB.

>

> -VJ

>

> ============ ======= ====

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> " harimalla@rocketma i l.com " harimalla@rocketma i l.com>

>

> Wednesday, July 15, 2009 8:50:08 AM

> Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of the

nakshatras

>

> Dear Bhattacharjyaji,

> You said,

> quote

> <Please quote reference from the scriptures before contesting what the

Vayu Purana says.>

> unquote

> May we know what the Vayu Purana says,please quote the verse and

chapter.thank you.

> Regards

> Hari Malla

>

> , Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> >

> > Shri Harimallaji,

> >

> > 1)

> > First you said:

> >

> > Quote

> >

> > Divya varsha costumarily is 360 years.I have also asked what is this

> > imaginary cycle of 360 years? None of us ever knows what this

imaginary

> > cycle of 360years is.Thus this is just a symbolic cycle, not existig

in

> > nature.

> >

> > Unquote

> >

> > 2)

> > Now you say:

> >

> > Quote

> >

> > In fact even the four yugas are limited to only one year, at the

four

> > cardinal points, because at various points of the year, panchangas

> > mention as satya yugadi, treta yugadi, dwapar yugadi etc.This must

be

> > true only for real siddhas,since Rohit was told by Indra that the

four

> > yugas are nothing but the act of walking,standing, sitting and

sleeping.

> >

> > Unquote

> >

> > You seem to be pretty confused. Nobody an remove your confusion just

by sending a couple of mails. If you wish you can read the Vayu purana.

However I would not insist.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > SKB

> >

> > --- On Mon, 7/13/09, harimalla@ . harimalla@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > harimalla@ . harimalla@ ..>

> > Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of the

nakshatras

> >

> > Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:29 PM

> >

> > Dear Bhattacharjyaji,

> >

> > I have no intention to contest with any one or any shastras.What you

tell me I will accept.May I know what it says there.

> >

> > If it says it is only one year, it is also acceptable.In fact even

the four yugas are limited to only one year, at the four cardinal

points, because at various points of the year, panchangas mention as

satya yugadi, treta yugadi, dwapar yugadi etc.This must be true only for

real siddhas,since Rohit was told by Indra that the four yugas are

nothing but the act of walking,standing, sitting and sleeping.This is

quoted by Shankar Balakrishna Dixit in his Bharatiya jyotish.

> >

> > For the common men,the year is just a year,but for siddhaas it is

the whole history of humanaity.if we add ten zeros to one year,which is

perfrectly OK if zeros have zero values, it will be the whole history of

humanity from pralaya to pralaya.

> >

> > When sidhantas speak of millions of years, I feel they are only

symbolic figures not to be taken literally,only to undertstand their

parokshya meanings.

> >

> > For example, the 12 years of jupiter's orbit is multiplied by 36o

(or 365 just to denote the year) then again by 1000 to denote the

sidereal nature or the vision of the star world.365 and 1000 are

symbolic figures and not to be taken literally, but with special

meanings.Even 12 is not to be taken as 12 years, but as the 12 months of

the year, as indicated in Ramayan and Mahabharat.

> >

> > Thus the puranas are vedas for those who understand the porakshya

meanings.Ror others they are fantastic stories.The sidhantas are also

written many places in the same spirit as the puranas.Thank you,

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Hari Malla

> >

> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Shri harimallaji,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Please quote reference from the scriptures before contesting what

the Vayu purana says.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Sincerely,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > SKB

> >

> > >

> >

> > > --- On Mon, 7/13/09, harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..>

> >

> > > Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

the nakshatras

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Monday, July 13, 2009, 9:05 AM

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Dear sirs,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Divya varsha costumarily is 360 years.I have also asked what is

this imaginary cycle of 360 years? None of us ever knows what this

imaginary cycle of 360years is.Thus this is just a symbolic cycle, not

existig in nature.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Regards

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Hari Malla

> >

> > >

> >

July 16, 2009

Dear Jhaaji,

When you can cite examples of so many puranas about the divya din,why do you let

them all go false, by neglecting their accuracy.If you let the accuracy of divya

din become inaccurate from that mentioned in the dharma shastras, i.e. let it go

false will you, who is a sanyasi, also not be false, because the sanyasis are

also supposed to be protectors of dharma.

So please do not neglect your dharma, when it is sick.If you protect your dharma

you will be protected in return.dharmo rakshyati rakshita.This is more imortant

than to protect the businesses of the jyotishi people.But in fact after the

correction, even the jyotishis will be benefitted by the accuracy of their

predictions.thank you.

Regards,

Hari Malla

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> To All :

>

> Another proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana, which

presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details than any other

Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

>

> " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayanam smritam

> tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24, ch-5)

> " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half of verse-25,

ch-5)

>

> Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas (uttaraayana

and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which is one " din " of the gods.

Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa " while dakshinnayana is night (of

gods).

>

> Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana, Suryasiddhanta,

Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB says it is vague !!! SKB does not

know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him, hence it is impossible to convince him

what the Puranas & c say.

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

>

> Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

>

> Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined in same verse.

Then, verse-6 says :

>

> " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

>

> " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and dakshina make

one year

> dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

>

> Chapter-5 of Vishnu Purana says same thing :

>

> Verse-9 defines " maanusha " measure, which is then used to define divya day in

verse-10 (ch-3 of first amsha) , which is an exact replica of Koorma Puranas

verse cited above ( " taih shadbhir-ayanam ... " ). Since all Puranas were compiled

by Vyaasa Ji, some verses are replicated in different Puranas. In Vishnu Purana,

this verse is spoken by Sage Parashara.

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

>

> Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various types of

Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as different typres.

It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one human year is equal to

one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said that " 30 years (of humans)

constitute one divya month " , the language is copy of Matsya Purana's definition

of the same sent by me earlier ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa

smritah " ).

>

> Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

>

> " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

>

> It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya samvatsara " .

>

> Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana about the

length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

>

> Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much(poorva-bhaaga said by Vaayu)

:

>

> Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas, verse 61-62

repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in chapter-28 od

second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

>

> Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on the basis of

laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure of year in this world.

verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides day and night in maanusha-loka,

and other measures like month and year are measured in terms of this solar

measure.

>

> Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in the manner of

Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya varsha to be equal to 360

maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact replica of Matsya Purana.

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

>

> Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya :

>

> Verse-7 says :

>

> " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of gods) "

>

> Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga. Verses 15- say

that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam) varshas which are

equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the ratio is 360 maanusha

varshas in one divya varsha :

>

> 852000 divya varshas = " ashtau-shat-sahasraani-divyayaa-samkhyayaa-snritah /

dvi-panchaashat-tathaa-anyaani-sahasraani-adhikaanicha " (verse 15-16) ; which

are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas " trint-koti-astu-sampoornaah

samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa / sapta-shashtih-tathaa-anyaani-niyutaani-mahaamate

/ vimshatishch-sahasraani-kaaloyamadhikamvinaa /

manvantarasya-samkhyaeyam-maanushairiha-vatsareh / "

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

>

> Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka says (about the

kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

>

> Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day of gods, and

says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of gods. Then, Verse-15 says

:

>

> " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

>

> = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are one Varsha of

Gods "

>

> Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpanaam " , ie, chaturyuga

(of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya year (of 360 human years) "

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

>

> I had already sent citations from Brahma-siddhanta of Brahmagupta based on

Puranic measures, from Suryasiddhanta which was called divine by Varaha mihira

and Bhaskar-ii besodes others, from Aryabhatiya, from Mahabharata, but Mr Sunil

Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his abusive attack on me. Now,

he will be faced with more irrefutable proofs, and instead of being delighted at

the sight of Truth, he will be raged with anger for being refuted, as he did

always in past, and will abuse me more, which will harm him and not me. I

cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood to another.

>

> -VJ

> ======================= ===

>

> ________________________________

> vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16

>

> Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:37:25 PM

> Re: PROOF of Length of Divya Varsha , and lies of

Sunil Bhattacharjya

>

> , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> >

> > Let Vinay Jha show that one Divyavarsha is 360 Human years. Vinay Jha

> is an incorrigible lliar.

> >

> > -SKB

> >

> > --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16@ ... wrote:

> >

> > Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16@ ...

> > Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

> the nakshatras

> >

> > Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 11:42 PM

> >

> > To All :

> >

> > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya (SKB) is now caught red handed again

> > while citing ancient texts falsely. He imagined I have no access to

> Vayu

> > Purana, and therefore deliberately lied about it. Although I do not

> possess

> > Vayu Purana at present, I have a large network of scholars on account

> of being

> > the panchanga-maker of 9 panchangas in UP, Bihar, Chhattisgarh,

> > Orissa, and being trustee and secretary of many centrally recognized

> Sanskrit

> > schools and colleges where post-dictoral reaserches are carried out. I

> > contacted my friends, who searched Vayu Purana and told me on

> telephone that

> > SKB is lying.

> >

> > He says : " Vayu purana which says that Divyavarsha is

> > Solar year " . It is a lie. Ask this fellolw to cite the verse in

> > full, if there is any such verse in Vayu Purana or in any ancient

> text.

> >

> > Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him to quote the

> verse verbatim. SKB is a confirmed liar, who lied about Siddhantas, then

> about MBh, then about Vishnu Purana, then about Bhagavata Purana, and

> when I supplied him verses from these texts, he now falsely quotes Vayu

> Purana, thinking I will never be able to procure it.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ============ ========= ==== ===

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @>

> >

> > Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:55:37 AM

> > Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

> the nakshatras

> >

> > Mallaji,

> >

> > I have already given the reference of chapter 57 of the Vayu purana

> which says that Divyavarsha is Solar year and Manushya varsha is the

> Sidereal Lunar year.

> >

> > Now ask Vinay Jha to quote the reference where it is written that one

> Divya Varsha is equal to 360 Human years.

> >

> > This itself will show that Vinay Jha is telling a lie. He also told

> that Svetasvatara upanishad does not mention Sankhya and this is a lie

> as I have given reference that the Chapter 6, verse 13 of Svetasvatara

> upanishad does mention Sankhya.

> >

> > I am giving concrete evidence and Vinay Jha only asserts vaguely as

> only a liar does. Does he think that the members of the forum cannot see

> through his lies?

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > SKB

> >

> > --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> >

> > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

> the nakshatras

> >

> > Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 9:03 AM

> >

> > Malla Ji,

> >

> > Whether someone accepts a cycle of 360 years or not is another

> > matter, but if someone deliberately misinterprets ancient texts just

> > to put forth his own agenda, then it is a serious crime. Divya Varsha

> is a

> > DIVYA cycle, which you will never find in Nature. nature is material

> or

> > sensory world, but it is wrong to imagine that the Cosmos is limited

> to human

> > sense organs only.

> >

> > SKB is a liar. Here are some examples

> > of his falsehoods :

> >

> > SKB cited Mahabharata (MBh) for a wrong definition of Divya Varsha

> > (being equal to a solar year instead of being equal to 360 human years

> as

> > mentioned in ancient texts). When I sent correct citations from MBh

> (together

> > with citations from all ancient Jyotisha Siddhantas) , he avoided any

> talk on

> > MBh and Siddhant-Jyotisha texts, and wrongly quoted Vishnu Purana out

> of

> > context.

> >

> > When I sent him relevant verses from Vishnu Purana to disprove

> > him, he changed stance and said Bhagavata Purana is the " highest "

> > Purana.

> >

> > When I sent verses from Bhagavata Purana, he changed stance again

> > and said Vayu Purana is the " only " proof of Divya Varsha,

> > because Vayu Purana is not available on internet and I do not possess

> Vayu

> > Purana ( I have ordered for it, which he knows ).

> >

> > SKB has a habit of taking a verse out of context without

> > referring to preceding verses, which he did in the case of all texts

> mentioned

> > above. When I will send verses from Vayu Purana, he will jump to

> Skanda Purana

> > or to some other text. There will be no end of this type of debate

> with a

> > dishonest person.

> >

> > Should I reproduce all past messages which will convince members

> > here that this fellow is not sincere, and he is deliberately quoting

> scriptures

> > falsely for proving his wrong ideas? These exchanges occurred during

> first half

> > of May and I have never deleted any messages from my archives.

> >

> > -VJ

> > ============ ========= === ====

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @>

> >

> > Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:16:05 PM

> > Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

> the nakshatras

> >

> > Harimallaji,

> >

> > Vinay Jha has not given a single proof that Divya varsha is to be

> multiplied by 360 to get Hman years. Let him give one single clear

> reference to prove wha he claims. With his lying and boasting he will

> not be able to convince anybody. Will he take this challenge? In 24

> hours you will know Vinay Jha.

> >

> > SKB

> >

> > --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> >

> > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

> the nakshatras

> >

> > Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 11:19 PM

> >

> > Malla Ji,

> >

> > SKB (Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya) is taking a recorse to blatant lies.

> Initially, he quoted Mahabharata for his wrong definition of divya

> varsha being equal to a solar year.

> >

> > When I sent correct citations from MBh (together with all ancient

> Jyotisha Siddhantas) , he quoted Vishnu Purana out of context.

> >

> > When I sent him relevant verses from Vishnu Purana, he said Bhagavata

> Purana is the highest Purana.

> >

> > When I sent verses from Bhagavata Purana, he said Vayu Purana is the

> only proof of Divya Varsha, because Vayu Purana is not available on

> internet and I do not possess Vayu Purana ( I have ordered for it, which

> he knows ).

> >

> > Although I do not possess Vayu Purana, I am sure he is deliberately

> quoting it falsely, taking a verse out of context without referring to

> preceding verses, which he did in the case of other yexts mentioned

> above.

> >

> > Should I reproduce all past messages which will convince you that this

> fellow is not sincere, and he is deliberfately quoting scriptures

> falsely for proving his wrong ideas. Recently, he cited Saamkhya

> wrongly, and called me names ( " idiot " & c) just because I produce correct

> citations from ancient texts.

> >

> > You have never cited any scripture FALSELY, although I have

> differences of opinions with you. Academic discussion cannot be carried

> out with insincere and false persons like SKB.

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> > ============ ======= ====

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > " harimalla@rocketma i l.com " harimalla@rocketma i l.com>

> >

> > Wednesday, July 15, 2009 8:50:08 AM

> > Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of the

> nakshatras

> >

> > Dear Bhattacharjyaji,

> > You said,

> > quote

> > <Please quote reference from the scriptures before contesting what the

> Vayu Purana says.>

> > unquote

> > May we know what the Vayu Purana says,please quote the verse and

> chapter.thank you.

> > Regards

> > Hari Malla

> >

> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> > >

> > > Shri Harimallaji,

> > >

> > > 1)

> > > First you said:

> > >

> > > Quote

> > >

> > > Divya varsha costumarily is 360 years.I have also asked what is this

> > > imaginary cycle of 360 years? None of us ever knows what this

> imaginary

> > > cycle of 360years is.Thus this is just a symbolic cycle, not existig

> in

> > > nature.

> > >

> > > Unquote

> > >

> > > 2)

> > > Now you say:

> > >

> > > Quote

> > >

> > > In fact even the four yugas are limited to only one year, at the

> four

> > > cardinal points, because at various points of the year, panchangas

> > > mention as satya yugadi, treta yugadi, dwapar yugadi etc.This must

> be

> > > true only for real siddhas,since Rohit was told by Indra that the

> four

> > > yugas are nothing but the act of walking,standing, sitting and

> sleeping.

> > >

> > > Unquote

> > >

> > > You seem to be pretty confused. Nobody an remove your confusion just

> by sending a couple of mails. If you wish you can read the Vayu purana.

> However I would not insist.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > SKB

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 7/13/09, harimalla@ . harimalla@ ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > harimalla@ . harimalla@ ..>

> > > Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of the

> nakshatras

> > >

> > > Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:29 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Bhattacharjyaji,

> > >

> > > I have no intention to contest with any one or any shastras.What you

> tell me I will accept.May I know what it says there.

> > >

> > > If it says it is only one year, it is also acceptable.In fact even

> the four yugas are limited to only one year, at the four cardinal

> points, because at various points of the year, panchangas mention as

> satya yugadi, treta yugadi, dwapar yugadi etc.This must be true only for

> real siddhas,since Rohit was told by Indra that the four yugas are

> nothing but the act of walking,standing, sitting and sleeping.This is

> quoted by Shankar Balakrishna Dixit in his Bharatiya jyotish.

> > >

> > > For the common men,the year is just a year,but for siddhaas it is

> the whole history of humanaity.if we add ten zeros to one year,which is

> perfrectly OK if zeros have zero values, it will be the whole history of

> humanity from pralaya to pralaya.

> > >

> > > When sidhantas speak of millions of years, I feel they are only

> symbolic figures not to be taken literally,only to undertstand their

> parokshya meanings.

> > >

> > > For example, the 12 years of jupiter's orbit is multiplied by 36o

> (or 365 just to denote the year) then again by 1000 to denote the

> sidereal nature or the vision of the star world.365 and 1000 are

> symbolic figures and not to be taken literally, but with special

> meanings.Even 12 is not to be taken as 12 years, but as the 12 months of

> the year, as indicated in Ramayan and Mahabharat.

> > >

> > > Thus the puranas are vedas for those who understand the porakshya

> meanings.Ror others they are fantastic stories.The sidhantas are also

> written many places in the same spirit as the puranas.Thank you,

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Hari Malla

> > >

> > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Shri harimallaji,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Please quote reference from the scriptures before contesting what

> the Vayu purana says.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > SKB

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > --- On Mon, 7/13/09, harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..>

> > >

> > > > Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

> the nakshatras

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Monday, July 13, 2009, 9:05 AM

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> > > > Dear sirs,

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> > > > Divya varsha costumarily is 360 years.I have also asked what is

> this imaginary cycle of 360 years? None of us ever knows what this

> imaginary cycle of 360years is.Thus this is just a symbolic cycle, not

> existig in nature.

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> > > > Regards

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> > > > Hari Malla

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July 16, 2009

Mr Malla,

You do not know what you talk. Read the passages of Purana about Divya measures

of time, they are different from those of manushya-loka. You want to impose

physical astronomy of manushya-loka upon non-physical world of ancient siddhan

tas which you do not understand. When I asked a question about mandaphala, you

started abusing me. Asking a question is not abusing. I did not abuse you. Why

you started abusing me, levelling false charges on me for selling astrology

which is against my vow ? Of you do not know mandaphala equation, should you

answer with abuses ? Is it your brand of Dharma which you want to impose on us

all ?? If you cannot understand siddhantic equations of either ancient or

modern astronomy, how people will accept your leadership in such an important

field as calendar reform ?? Why you do not learn siddhantic and modern

astronomy before becoming a messiah of Hinduism ??

-VJ

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" harimalla " <harimalla

Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:07:22 PM

Re: PROOF of Length of Divya Varsha , and lies of

Sunil Bhattacharjya

Dear Jhaaji,

When you can cite examples of so many puranas about the divya din,why do you let

them all go false, by neglecting their accuracy.If you let the accuracy of divya

din become inaccurate from that mentioned in the dharma shastras, i.e. let it go

false will you, who is a sanyasi, also not be false, because the sanyasis are

also supposed to be protectors of dharma.

So please do not neglect your dharma, when it is sick.If you protect your dharma

you will be protected in return.dharmo rakshyati rakshita.This is more imortant

than to protect the businesses of the jyotishi people.But in fact after the

correction, even the jyotishis will be benefitted by the accuracy of their

predictions. thank you.

Regards,

Hari Malla

, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

> To All :

>

> Another proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana, which

presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details than any other

Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

>

> " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24, ch-5)

> " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half of verse-25,

ch-5)

>

> Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas (uttaraayana

and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which is one " din " of the gods.

Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa " while dakshinnayana is night (of

gods).

>

> Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana, Suryasiddhanta,

Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB says it is vague !!! SKB does not

know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him, hence it is impossible to convince him

what the Puranas & c say.

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

>

> Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined in same verse.

Then, verse-6 says :

>

> " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

>

> " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and dakshina make

one year

> dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Chapter-5 of Vishnu Purana says same thing :

>

> Verse-9 defines " maanusha " measure, which is then used to define divya day in

verse-10 (ch-3 of first amsha) , which is an exact replica of Koorma Puranas

verse cited above ( " taih shadbhir-ayanam ... " ). Since all Puranas were compiled

by Vyaasa Ji, some verses are replicated in different Puranas. In Vishnu Purana,

this verse is spoken by Sage Parashara.

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various types of

Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as different typres.

It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one human year is equal to

one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said that " 30 years (of humans)

constitute one divya month " , the language is copy of Matsya Purana's definition

of the same sent by me earlier ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa

smritah " ).

>

> Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

>

> " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

>

> It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya samvatsara " .

>

> Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana about the

length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much(poorva- bhaaga said by

Vaayu) :

>

> Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas, verse 61-62

repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in chapter-28 od

second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

>

> Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on the basis of

laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure of year in this world.

verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides day and night in maanusha-loka,

and other measures like month and year are measured in terms of this solar

measure.

>

> Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in the manner of

Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya varsha to be equal to 360

maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact replica of Matsya Purana.

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya :

>

> Verse-7 says :

>

> " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of gods) "

>

> Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga. Verses 15- say

that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam) varshas which are

equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the ratio is 360 maanusha

varshas in one divya varsha :

>

> 852000 divya varshas = " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah

/ dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha " (verse 15-16) ;

which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah

samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa / sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani-

mahaamate / vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa / manvantarasya-

samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka says (about the

kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

>

> Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day of gods, and

says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of gods. Then, Verse-15 says

:

>

> " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

>

> = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are one Varsha of

Gods "

>

> Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam " , ie, chaturyuga