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<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

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> Friends,

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> The facts are as follows:

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> SKB is trying to cheat others by posting false statements. I have

myself given him links of websites from which he can download ancient

texts. He knew many links beforehand. He can ask for further links if he

wants. A large number of ancient Indian texts can be freely downloaded

from internet, and the rest can be procured from reputed publishers from

any part part of the world. He lives in Sydney, which has many world

class libraries.

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> I have definitely seen the Vayu Purana, but the text is not in my home

for at least two decades. Why should I quote without the text before me

? It is deplorable that SKB is abusing me as a liar on the " evidence "

that he imagines Vayu Purana lies in my house. I live in a backwack town

of North Bihar. If SKB is unable to procure texts in advanced City like

Sydney, why he expects me to get texts at my will in a flood-affected

backward town in world's most backward (economically) region of the

world ?? Abusing me without proofs speaks something about his character.

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> As he lies he thinks that everybody lies. Let him find out from Sydney

through his sources and prove to the group as to  how easy or

difficult to get the Indian scriptural texts in  Sydney public

libraries. Now  he says he read the Vayu purana, which is definitely

a lie as showed that he was completely unaware of what Vayu purana

says about the Yuga. He told that I will not give the reference4s as I

want to escape but I gave the references to Vayu purana, Bhagavata

purana and Vishnu purana. Now he says he is unable to get it even after

more than a couple of months. He is great liar.

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> I have asked my friends in other towns about Vayu Purana, because the

bookseller is taking too much of time. Pt Girija Shankar Shanlkara

Shasti, the foremost astrologer of Allahabad (chief editor of its only

panchanga, HOD of Sanskrit, editor and author of many important books)

has told me on telephone that Vayu Purana says that the yuga values are

in " divya " varsha and not not in terms of " maanusha " varsha, and he also

said that he has not found any clear value of " divya " varsha " in Vayu

Purana as yet (he is still searching), if the same author Vyaasa Ji says

in other Puranas and MBh that divya varsha is of 360 maanusha varshas,

why his opinions should not apply to his own text (Vayu purana), and we

should use the definitions given by miderners which do not tally with

original definitions of Vyaasa Ji ??

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> Yuga Varsha is in terms of Divya varsha which is the Solar year.

Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. 2700 Divya varsha (Solar

year) = 3030 Manushya varsha, ie. Sidereal Lunar year. Nowhere

Vedavyasji had said that Divyavarsha is 360 Manusha year. It is one of

Vinay Jha;s lies. 

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> SKB is skilfully skipping to answer my mail which narrates how he

shifted his stances so many times : initially he said Siddhantas and MBh

were his evidences, when I showed him verses from MBh and Siddhantas, he

shifted to Vishnu Purana, thereafter to Bhagavata Purana, and after

learning that all these texts falsify him, now he says Vayu Purana is

the ONLY proof (and all other Puranas and MBh are false texts) !!! But

he quotes Vayu Purana, which says yugas are measured in divya varshas

and not in maanusha or saura varshas.

>

> I have already sent him the measure of Divya Varsha in detail, from

all extant ancient Siddhnatas, MBh, Vishnu Purana and Bhagavata Purana,

which have now become false to SKB and Vayu Purana is the only proof

just because I do not possess it. But Vayu Purana also refutes his

statement : no ancient text says a divya varsha is equal to maanuahs or

saura varsha, and all texts mnentioned above say one divya dina is equal

to one maanuisha year, which falsifies SKB's stand. In spite of so many

evidences, he sticks to falsehood and is now resorting to abuses.

Abusing is the weapon of a weaker mind which fails in argumentation and

shifts stands.

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> What he writes is vague. I have not shifted from one purana to another

just for the heck of it. I quoted from the appropriate purana such as

the Bhagavata purana, Vishnu purana and Vayu purana whenever the

occasion demanded. I already gave above from the Vayu purana (chapter

57) that 2700 Divya varsha ,ie. Solar year, is equal to 3030

Manusha year, ie. Sidereal Lunar year just in one sentence.

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> Let him give reference to a purana, where according to

him Vedavyasa had given that one Divyavarsha is equal to 360 Human

years. I have not said anything bad to him. Is it not natural that if

an intelligent person reads the Svetasvatara upanishad he would

obviously find the mention of Sankhya in that. Now if anybody claims

that he had read the Svetasvatara upanishad and yet claims that

Sankhya is not mentioned there then  he has to be either an idiot or

a liar. Other people may even use other terms such as crook or

hypocrite. On the otherhand Vinay Jha had called me, who is a

teetotaller, many times that I am addicted to drinking. He abused me

like that  just because I did not agree to his denigration of

Tantra. Is it not an abuse?

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> -SKB

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> --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16 wrote:

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> Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16

> Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

the nakshatras

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> Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 11:17 PM

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> SKB is trying to cheat others by posting false statements. I have

myself given him links of websites from which he can download ancient

texts. He knew many links beforehand. He can ask for further links if he

wants. A large number of ancient Indian texts can be freely downloaded

from internet, and the rest can be procured from reputed publishers from

any part part of the world. He lives in Sydney, which has many world

class libraries.

>

> I have definitely seen the Vayu Purana, but the text is not in my home

for at least two decades. Why should I quote without the text before me

? It is deplorable that SKB is abusing me as a liar on the " evidence "

that he imagines Vayu Purana lies in my house. I live in a backwack town

of North Bihar. If SKB is unable to procure texts in advanced City like

Sydney, why he expects me to get texts at my will in a flood-affected

backward town in world's most backward (economically) region of the

world ?? Abusing me without proofs speaks something about his character.

>

> I have asked my friends in other towns about Vayu Purana, because the

bookseller is taking too much of time. Pt Girija Shankar Shanlkara

Shasti, the foremost astrologer of Allahabad (chief editor of its only

panchanga, HOD of Sanskrit, editor and author of many important books)

has told me on telephone that Vayu Purana says that the yuga values are

in " divya " varsha and not not in terms of " maanusha " varsha, and he also

said that he has not found any clear value of " divya " varsha " in Vayu

Purana as yet (he is still searching), if the same author Vyaasa Ji says

in other Puranas and MBh that divya varsha is of 360 maanusha varshas,

why his opinions should not apply to his own text (Vayu purana), and we

should use the definitions given by miderners which do not tally with

original definitions of Vyaasa Ji ??

>

> SKB is skilfully skipping to answer my mail which narrates how he

shifted his stances so many times : initially he said Siddhantas and MBh

were his evidences, when I showed him verses from MBh and Siddhantas, he

shifted to Vishnu Purana, thereafter to Bhagavata Purana, and after

learning that all these texts falsify him, now he says Vayu Purana is

the ONLY proof (and all other Puranas and MBh are false texts) !!! But

he quotes Vayu Purana, which says yugas are measured in divya varshas

and not in maanusha or saura varshas.

>

> I have already sent him the measure of Divya Varsha in detail, from

all extant ancient Siddhnatas, MBh, Vishnu Purana and Bhagavata Purana,

which have now become false to SKB and Vayu Purana is the only proof

just because I do not possess it. But Vayu Purana also refutes his

statement : no ancient text says a divya varsha is equal to maanuahs or

saura varsha, and all texts mnentioned above say one divya dina is equal

to one maanuisha year, which falsifies SKB's stand. In spite of so many

evidences, he sticks to falsehood and is now resorting to abuses.

Abusing is the weapon of a weaker mind which fails in argumentation and

shifts stands.

>

> -VJ

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> Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @>

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> Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:08:35 AM

> Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

the nakshatras

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> Mallaji,

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> Vinay Jha is lying that he has not seen Vayu purana. He does not want

to admit as it shows that Vinay Jha was wrong. When I said that it is

difficult here in Australia to get the scriptures easily then he did not

accept that argumeyt. Now how can anybody accept that he had not yet got

the Vayu puirtana? This is another lie of Vinay Jha. He had definitely

seen the Vayu purana.

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> SKB

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> --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

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> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

the nakshatras

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> Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 9:03 AM

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> Malla Ji,

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> Whether someone accepts a cycle of 360 years or not is another

> matter, but if someone deliberately misinterprets ancient texts just

> to put forth his own agenda, then it is a serious crime. Divya Varsha

is a

> DIVYA cycle, which you will never find in Nature. nature is material

or

> sensory world, but it is wrong to imagine that the Cosmos is limited

to human

> sense organs only.

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> SKB is a liar. Here are some examples

> of his falsehoods :

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> SKB cited Mahabharata (MBh) for a wrong definition of Divya Varsha

> (being equal to a solar year instead of being equal to 360 human years

as

> mentioned in ancient texts). When I sent correct citations from MBh

(together

> with citations from all ancient Jyotisha Siddhantas) , he avoided any

talk on

> MBh and Siddhant-Jyotisha texts, and wrongly quoted Vishnu Purana out

of

> context.

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> When I sent him relevant verses from Vishnu Purana to disprove

> him, he changed stance and said Bhagavata Purana is the " highest "

> Purana.

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> When I sent verses from Bhagavata Purana, he changed stance again

> and said Vayu Purana is the " only " proof of Divya Varsha,

> because Vayu Purana is not available on internet and I do not possess

Vayu

> Purana ( I have ordered for it, which he knows ).

>

> SKB has a habit of taking a verse out of context without

> referring to preceding verses, which he did in the case of all texts

mentioned

> above. When I will send verses from Vayu Purana, he will jump to

Skanda Purana

> or to some other text. There will be no end of this type of debate

with a

> dishonest person.

>

> Should I reproduce all past messages which will convince members

> here that this fellow is not sincere, and he is deliberately quoting

scriptures

> falsely for proving his wrong ideas? These exchanges occurred during

first half

> of May and I have never deleted any messages from my archives.

>

> -VJ

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> Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @>

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> Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:16:05 PM

> Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

the nakshatras

>

> Harimallaji,

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> Vinay Jha has not given a single proof that Divya varsha is to be

multiplied by 360 to get Hman years. Let him give one single clear

reference to prove wha he claims. With his lying and boasting he will

not be able to convince anybody. Will he take this challenge? In 24

hours you will know Vinay Jha.

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> SKB

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> --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

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> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

the nakshatras

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> Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 11:19 PM

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> Malla Ji,

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> SKB (Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya) is taking a recorse to blatant lies.

Initially, he quoted Mahabharata for his wrong definition of divya

varsha being equal to a solar year.

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> When I sent correct citations from MBh (together with all ancient

Jyotisha Siddhantas) , he quoted Vishnu Purana out of context.

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> When I sent him relevant verses from Vishnu Purana, he said Bhagavata

Purana is the highest Purana.

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> When I sent verses from Bhagavata Purana, he said Vayu Purana is the

only proof of Divya Varsha, because Vayu Purana is not available on

internet and I do not possess Vayu Purana ( I have ordered for it, which

he knows ).

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> Although I do not possess Vayu Purana, I am sure he is deliberately

quoting it falsely, taking a verse out of context without referring to

preceding verses, which he did in the case of other yexts mentioned

above.

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> Should I reproduce all past messages which will convince you that this

fellow is not sincere, and he is deliberfately quoting scriptures

falsely for proving his wrong ideas. Recently, he cited Saamkhya

wrongly, and called me names ( " idiot " & c) just because I produce correct

citations from ancient texts.

>

> You have never cited any scripture FALSELY, although I have

differences of opinions with you. Academic discussion cannot be carried

out with insincere and false persons like SKB.

>

> -VJ

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> " harimalla@rocketma i l.com " harimalla@rocketma i l.com>

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> Wednesday, July 15, 2009 8:50:08 AM

> Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of the

nakshatras

>

> Dear Bhattacharjyaji,

> You said,

> quote

> <Please quote reference from the scriptures before contesting what the

Vayu Purana says.>

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> May we know what the Vayu Purana says,please quote the verse and

chapter.thank you.

> Regards

> Hari Malla

>

> , Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

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> > Shri Harimallaji,

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> > 1)

> > First you said:

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> > Divya varsha costumarily is 360 years.I have also asked what is this

> > imaginary cycle of 360 years? None of us ever knows what this

imaginary

> > cycle of 360years is.Thus this is just a symbolic cycle, not existig

in

> > nature.

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> > Now you say:

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> > In fact even the four yugas are limited to only one year, at the

four

> > cardinal points, because at various points of the year, panchangas

> > mention as satya yugadi, treta yugadi, dwapar yugadi etc.This must

be

> > true only for real siddhas,since Rohit was told by Indra that the

four

> > yugas are nothing but the act of walking,standing, sitting and

sleeping.

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> > You seem to be pretty confused. Nobody an remove your confusion just

by sending a couple of mails. If you wish you can read the Vayu purana.

However I would not insist.

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> > Sincerely,

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> > SKB

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> > --- On Mon, 7/13/09, harimalla@ . harimalla@ ..> wrote:

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> > harimalla@ . harimalla@ ..>

> > Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of the

nakshatras

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> > Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:29 PM

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> > Dear Bhattacharjyaji,

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> > I have no intention to contest with any one or any shastras.What you

tell me I will accept.May I know what it says there.

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> > If it says it is only one year, it is also acceptable.In fact even

the four yugas are limited to only one year, at the four cardinal

points, because at various points of the year, panchangas mention as

satya yugadi, treta yugadi, dwapar yugadi etc.This must be true only for

real siddhas,since Rohit was told by Indra that the four yugas are

nothing but the act of walking,standing, sitting and sleeping.This is

quoted by Shankar Balakrishna Dixit in his Bharatiya jyotish.

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> > For the common men,the year is just a year,but for siddhaas it is

the whole history of humanaity.if we add ten zeros to one year,which is

perfrectly OK if zeros have zero values, it will be the whole history of

humanity from pralaya to pralaya.

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> > When sidhantas speak of millions of years, I feel they are only

symbolic figures not to be taken literally,only to undertstand their

parokshya meanings.

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> > For example, the 12 years of jupiter's orbit is multiplied by 36o

(or 365 just to denote the year) then again by 1000 to denote the

sidereal nature or the vision of the star world.365 and 1000 are

symbolic figures and not to be taken literally, but with special

meanings.Even 12 is not to be taken as 12 years, but as the 12 months of

the year, as indicated in Ramayan and Mahabharat.

> >

> > Thus the puranas are vedas for those who understand the porakshya

meanings.Ror others they are fantastic stories.The sidhantas are also

written many places in the same spirit as the puranas.Thank you,

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Hari Malla

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> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

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> > > Please quote reference from the scriptures before contesting what

the Vayu purana says.

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> > > Sincerely,

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> > > --- On Mon, 7/13/09, harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..> wrote:

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> > > Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of

the nakshatras

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> > > Monday, July 13, 2009, 9:05 AM

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> > > Dear sirs,

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> > > Divya varsha costumarily is 360 years.I have also asked what is

this imaginary cycle of 360 years? None of us ever knows what this

imaginary cycle of 360years is.Thus this is just a symbolic cycle, not

existig in nature.

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