Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > > > Friends, > > The facts are as follows: > > 1) > Quote > > > > > SKB is trying to cheat others by posting false statements. I have myself given him links of websites from which he can download ancient texts. He knew many links beforehand. He can ask for further links if he wants. A large number of ancient Indian texts can be freely downloaded from internet, and the rest can be procured from reputed publishers from any part part of the world. He lives in Sydney, which has many world class libraries. > > I have definitely seen the Vayu Purana, but the text is not in my home for at least two decades. Why should I quote without the text before me ? It is deplorable that SKB is abusing me as a liar on the " evidence " that he imagines Vayu Purana lies in my house. I live in a backwack town of North Bihar. If SKB is unable to procure texts in advanced City like Sydney, why he expects me to get texts at my will in a flood-affected backward town in world's most backward (economically) region of the world ?? Abusing me without proofs speaks something about his character. > > Unquote > > As he lies he thinks that everybody lies. Let him find out from Sydney through his sources and prove to the group as to how easy or difficult to get the Indian scriptural texts in Sydney public libraries. Now he says he read the Vayu purana, which is definitely a lie as showed that he was completely unaware of what Vayu purana says about the Yuga. He told that I will not give the reference4s as I want to escape but I gave the references to Vayu purana, Bhagavata purana and Vishnu purana. Now he says he is unable to get it even after more than a couple of months. He is great liar. > > 2) > Quote > > I have asked my friends in other towns about Vayu Purana, because the bookseller is taking too much of time. Pt Girija Shankar Shanlkara Shasti, the foremost astrologer of Allahabad (chief editor of its only panchanga, HOD of Sanskrit, editor and author of many important books) has told me on telephone that Vayu Purana says that the yuga values are in " divya " varsha and not not in terms of " maanusha " varsha, and he also said that he has not found any clear value of " divya " varsha " in Vayu Purana as yet (he is still searching), if the same author Vyaasa Ji says in other Puranas and MBh that divya varsha is of 360 maanusha varshas, why his opinions should not apply to his own text (Vayu purana), and we should use the definitions given by miderners which do not tally with original definitions of Vyaasa Ji ?? > > Unquote > > Yuga Varsha is in terms of Divya varsha which is the Solar year. Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. 2700 Divya varsha (Solar year) = 3030 Manushya varsha, ie. Sidereal Lunar year. Nowhere Vedavyasji had said that Divyavarsha is 360 Manusha year. It is one of Vinay Jha;s lies. > > 3) > > Quote > > SKB is skilfully skipping to answer my mail which narrates how he shifted his stances so many times : initially he said Siddhantas and MBh were his evidences, when I showed him verses from MBh and Siddhantas, he shifted to Vishnu Purana, thereafter to Bhagavata Purana, and after learning that all these texts falsify him, now he says Vayu Purana is the ONLY proof (and all other Puranas and MBh are false texts) !!! But he quotes Vayu Purana, which says yugas are measured in divya varshas and not in maanusha or saura varshas. > > I have already sent him the measure of Divya Varsha in detail, from all extant ancient Siddhnatas, MBh, Vishnu Purana and Bhagavata Purana, which have now become false to SKB and Vayu Purana is the only proof just because I do not possess it. But Vayu Purana also refutes his statement : no ancient text says a divya varsha is equal to maanuahs or saura varsha, and all texts mnentioned above say one divya dina is equal to one maanuisha year, which falsifies SKB's stand. In spite of so many evidences, he sticks to falsehood and is now resorting to abuses. Abusing is the weapon of a weaker mind which fails in argumentation and shifts stands. > > Unquote > > What he writes is vague. I have not shifted from one purana to another just for the heck of it. I quoted from the appropriate purana such as the Bhagavata purana, Vishnu purana and Vayu purana whenever the occasion demanded. I already gave above from the Vayu purana (chapter 57) that 2700 Divya varsha ,ie. Solar year, is equal to 3030 Manusha year, ie. Sidereal Lunar year just in one sentence. > > Let him give reference to a purana, where according to him Vedavyasa had given that one Divyavarsha is equal to 360 Human years. I have not said anything bad to him. Is it not natural that if an intelligent person reads the Svetasvatara upanishad he would obviously find the mention of Sankhya in that. Now if anybody claims that he had read the Svetasvatara upanishad and yet claims that Sankhya is not mentioned there then he has to be either an idiot or a liar. Other people may even use other terms such as crook or hypocrite. On the otherhand Vinay Jha had called me, who is a teetotaller, many times that I am addicted to drinking. He abused me like that just because I did not agree to his denigration of Tantra. Is it not an abuse? > > -SKB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16 > Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of the nakshatras > > Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 11:17 PM > > > > > > > SKB is trying to cheat others by posting false statements. I have myself given him links of websites from which he can download ancient texts. He knew many links beforehand. He can ask for further links if he wants. A large number of ancient Indian texts can be freely downloaded from internet, and the rest can be procured from reputed publishers from any part part of the world. He lives in Sydney, which has many world class libraries. > > I have definitely seen the Vayu Purana, but the text is not in my home for at least two decades. Why should I quote without the text before me ? It is deplorable that SKB is abusing me as a liar on the " evidence " that he imagines Vayu Purana lies in my house. I live in a backwack town of North Bihar. If SKB is unable to procure texts in advanced City like Sydney, why he expects me to get texts at my will in a flood-affected backward town in world's most backward (economically) region of the world ?? Abusing me without proofs speaks something about his character. > > I have asked my friends in other towns about Vayu Purana, because the bookseller is taking too much of time. Pt Girija Shankar Shanlkara Shasti, the foremost astrologer of Allahabad (chief editor of its only panchanga, HOD of Sanskrit, editor and author of many important books) has told me on telephone that Vayu Purana says that the yuga values are in " divya " varsha and not not in terms of " maanusha " varsha, and he also said that he has not found any clear value of " divya " varsha " in Vayu Purana as yet (he is still searching), if the same author Vyaasa Ji says in other Puranas and MBh that divya varsha is of 360 maanusha varshas, why his opinions should not apply to his own text (Vayu purana), and we should use the definitions given by miderners which do not tally with original definitions of Vyaasa Ji ?? > > SKB is skilfully skipping to answer my mail which narrates how he shifted his stances so many times : initially he said Siddhantas and MBh were his evidences, when I showed him verses from MBh and Siddhantas, he shifted to Vishnu Purana, thereafter to Bhagavata Purana, and after learning that all these texts falsify him, now he says Vayu Purana is the ONLY proof (and all other Puranas and MBh are false texts) !!! But he quotes Vayu Purana, which says yugas are measured in divya varshas and not in maanusha or saura varshas. > > I have already sent him the measure of Divya Varsha in detail, from all extant ancient Siddhnatas, MBh, Vishnu Purana and Bhagavata Purana, which have now become false to SKB and Vayu Purana is the only proof just because I do not possess it. But Vayu Purana also refutes his statement : no ancient text says a divya varsha is equal to maanuahs or saura varsha, and all texts mnentioned above say one divya dina is equal to one maanuisha year, which falsifies SKB's stand. In spite of so many evidences, he sticks to falsehood and is now resorting to abuses. Abusing is the weapon of a weaker mind which fails in argumentation and shifts stands. > > -VJ > ============ ========= ===== == > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @> > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:08:35 AM > Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of the nakshatras > > Mallaji, > > Vinay Jha is lying that he has not seen Vayu purana. He does not want to admit as it shows that Vinay Jha was wrong. When I said that it is difficult here in Australia to get the scriptures easily then he did not accept that argumeyt. Now how can anybody accept that he had not yet got the Vayu puirtana? This is another lie of Vinay Jha. He had definitely seen the Vayu purana. > > SKB > > --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of the nakshatras > > Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 9:03 AM > > Malla Ji, > > Whether someone accepts a cycle of 360 years or not is another > matter, but if someone deliberately misinterprets ancient texts just > to put forth his own agenda, then it is a serious crime. Divya Varsha is a > DIVYA cycle, which you will never find in Nature. nature is material or > sensory world, but it is wrong to imagine that the Cosmos is limited to human > sense organs only. > > SKB is a liar. Here are some examples > of his falsehoods : > > SKB cited Mahabharata (MBh) for a wrong definition of Divya Varsha > (being equal to a solar year instead of being equal to 360 human years as > mentioned in ancient texts). When I sent correct citations from MBh (together > with citations from all ancient Jyotisha Siddhantas) , he avoided any talk on > MBh and Siddhant-Jyotisha texts, and wrongly quoted Vishnu Purana out of > context. > > When I sent him relevant verses from Vishnu Purana to disprove > him, he changed stance and said Bhagavata Purana is the " highest " > Purana. > > When I sent verses from Bhagavata Purana, he changed stance again > and said Vayu Purana is the " only " proof of Divya Varsha, > because Vayu Purana is not available on internet and I do not possess Vayu > Purana ( I have ordered for it, which he knows ). > > SKB has a habit of taking a verse out of context without > referring to preceding verses, which he did in the case of all texts mentioned > above. When I will send verses from Vayu Purana, he will jump to Skanda Purana > or to some other text. There will be no end of this type of debate with a > dishonest person. > > Should I reproduce all past messages which will convince members > here that this fellow is not sincere, and he is deliberately quoting scriptures > falsely for proving his wrong ideas? These exchanges occurred during first half > of May and I have never deleted any messages from my archives. > > -VJ > ============ ========= === ==== > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @> > > Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:16:05 PM > Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of the nakshatras > > Harimallaji, > > Vinay Jha has not given a single proof that Divya varsha is to be multiplied by 360 to get Hman years. Let him give one single clear reference to prove wha he claims. With his lying and boasting he will not be able to convince anybody. Will he take this challenge? In 24 hours you will know Vinay Jha. > > SKB > > --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > Re: Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of the nakshatras > > Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 11:19 PM > > Malla Ji, > > SKB (Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya) is taking a recorse to blatant lies. Initially, he quoted Mahabharata for his wrong definition of divya varsha being equal to a solar year. > > When I sent correct citations from MBh (together with all ancient Jyotisha Siddhantas) , he quoted Vishnu Purana out of context. > > When I sent him relevant verses from Vishnu Purana, he said Bhagavata Purana is the highest Purana. > > When I sent verses from Bhagavata Purana, he said Vayu Purana is the only proof of Divya Varsha, because Vayu Purana is not available on internet and I do not possess Vayu Purana ( I have ordered for it, which he knows ). > > Although I do not possess Vayu Purana, I am sure he is deliberately quoting it falsely, taking a verse out of context without referring to preceding verses, which he did in the case of other yexts mentioned above. > > Should I reproduce all past messages which will convince you that this fellow is not sincere, and he is deliberfately quoting scriptures falsely for proving his wrong ideas. Recently, he cited Saamkhya wrongly, and called me names ( " idiot " & c) just because I produce correct citations from ancient texts. > > You have never cited any scripture FALSELY, although I have differences of opinions with you. Academic discussion cannot be carried out with insincere and false persons like SKB. > > -VJ > > ============ ======= ==== > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > " harimalla@rocketma i l.com " harimalla@rocketma i l.com> > > Wednesday, July 15, 2009 8:50:08 AM > Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of the nakshatras > > Dear Bhattacharjyaji, > You said, > quote > <Please quote reference from the scriptures before contesting what the Vayu Purana says.> > unquote > May we know what the Vayu Purana says,please quote the verse and chapter.thank you. > Regards > Hari Malla > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > Shri Harimallaji, > > > > 1) > > First you said: > > > > Quote > > > > Divya varsha costumarily is 360 years.I have also asked what is this > > imaginary cycle of 360 years? None of us ever knows what this imaginary > > cycle of 360years is.Thus this is just a symbolic cycle, not existig in > > nature. > > > > Unquote > > > > 2) > > Now you say: > > > > Quote > > > > In fact even the four yugas are limited to only one year, at the four > > cardinal points, because at various points of the year, panchangas > > mention as satya yugadi, treta yugadi, dwapar yugadi etc.This must be > > true only for real siddhas,since Rohit was told by Indra that the four > > yugas are nothing but the act of walking,standing, sitting and sleeping. > > > > Unquote > > > > You seem to be pretty confused. Nobody an remove your confusion just by sending a couple of mails. If you wish you can read the Vayu purana. However I would not insist. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > SKB > > > > > > --- On Mon, 7/13/09, harimalla@ . harimalla@ ..> wrote: > > > > harimalla@ . harimalla@ ..> > > Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of the nakshatras > > > > Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhattacharjyaji, > > > > I have no intention to contest with any one or any shastras.What you tell me I will accept.May I know what it says there. > > > > If it says it is only one year, it is also acceptable.In fact even the four yugas are limited to only one year, at the four cardinal points, because at various points of the year, panchangas mention as satya yugadi, treta yugadi, dwapar yugadi etc.This must be true only for real siddhas,since Rohit was told by Indra that the four yugas are nothing but the act of walking,standing, sitting and sleeping.This is quoted by Shankar Balakrishna Dixit in his Bharatiya jyotish. > > > > For the common men,the year is just a year,but for siddhaas it is the whole history of humanaity.if we add ten zeros to one year,which is perfrectly OK if zeros have zero values, it will be the whole history of humanity from pralaya to pralaya. > > > > When sidhantas speak of millions of years, I feel they are only symbolic figures not to be taken literally,only to undertstand their parokshya meanings. > > > > For example, the 12 years of jupiter's orbit is multiplied by 36o (or 365 just to denote the year) then again by 1000 to denote the sidereal nature or the vision of the star world.365 and 1000 are symbolic figures and not to be taken literally, but with special meanings.Even 12 is not to be taken as 12 years, but as the 12 months of the year, as indicated in Ramayan and Mahabharat. > > > > Thus the puranas are vedas for those who understand the porakshya meanings.Ror others they are fantastic stories.The sidhantas are also written many places in the same spirit as the puranas.Thank you, > > > > Regards, > > > > Hari Malla > > > > > > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri harimallaji, > > > > > > > > > > Please quote reference from the scriptures before contesting what the Vayu purana says. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > SKB > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 7/13/09, harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..> > > > > > Re: Rashi in the Fifth Veda and value of the nakshatras > > > > > > > > > > Monday, July 13, 2009, 9:05 AM > > > > > > > > > > Dear sirs, > > > > > > > > > > Divya varsha costumarily is 360 years.I have also asked what is this imaginary cycle of 360 years? None of us ever knows what this imaginary cycle of 360years is.Thus this is just a symbolic cycle, not existig in nature. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Hari Malla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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