Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, MrVinay Jha.

July 18, 2009

To all,

Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana gives the explanation

of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle = 2700 Divya varsha = 3030

Mnusha varsha.

Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he is avoiding Vayu

purana all along.

When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He is citing verses

about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka and not to Martyaloka.

He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up some wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16

Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil bhattacharjya!

Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

To All :

Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha was equal

to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and refuses to

accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him verses from all

those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he hibernated for

two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed with new lies

and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and I sent

references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive liar, after

which will come again after some time with same falsehoods, feigning to

forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me " an

incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince everyone

that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly, and is too

haughty to admit his errors.

Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana, which says :

" maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa chaiva-asuradvishaa m " (Amsha- vi,

chapter-3, verse 10)

It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya day-night / (and)

360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods (=asuraodvishaam) . "

Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one chaturyuga.. . "

Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word because Mr Sunil

does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear verdict and

called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my " invention !

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Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from Mahabharata (khanda

5-chapter 231-verse15) :

" ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means days and

nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17 says " Daive

raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah , ahastatrodagayanam

raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee varsham "

means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here varsha is

varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from preceding two

verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is divided thus :

uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine night " . MBh

clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year : see verse 15

above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in maanushalaukika

(but not in devaloka). "

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Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient Jyotisha

Siddhantas :

Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar years for a

mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa of

Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000 and Earth's

rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in Suryasiddhanta,

this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day count in

Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of Suryasiddhanta) .

Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of Mahabharata

(MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which 4320000 normal

solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see verses 5-6) and

1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i, verse 10).

Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta all

clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and not 43200000

days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts. His stand

is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and

Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vishnu Dharmottara

Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga is of

4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000 divine years.

How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar " years ?

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Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse direction like

Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say that 360

" human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one divya year and

12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga). Exactly

same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3, verses

8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have lengths

of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of yugas is

Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of Satyuga

is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya " years

according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the sequence of four

yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even schoolboys do not

commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive drinking,

although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken daily.

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Here is his statement about Rgveda :

<<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all brothers. Then

to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted several

verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig Veda it is said

that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse where it

is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he missed the most

relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all 49 Marutas

are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be humans, born

simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic times,

because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why Sunil

Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ? Rgveda never said

" we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He should cite

texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures without a goblet

in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic Sanskrit and

simple english and Hindi translations of the same should keep away from

difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are needed by

Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every fool may pose

as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of context.

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All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after which he went

into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences, but after

two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing that members

must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this connection,

another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also cited verses

from Matsya Purana :

<<<

Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A century of men

is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years make one

year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One Thousand

Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in Verses18-19 of

Linga Purana cited below)

>>>

But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien. Let us agree

to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu purana

(57.17) " .

Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that Divyavarsha is

Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him to

quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

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Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as shown below,

and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana, which

presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details than

any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

" Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24, ch-5)

" uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half of

verse-25, ch-5)

Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas

(uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which is one

" din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa " while

dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana,

Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB says it is

vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him, hence

it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

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Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined in same

verse. Then, verse-6 says :

" taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

" six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and dakshina

make one year

dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

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Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various types of

Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as different

typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one human

year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said that " 30

years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language is copy of

Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

" Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya samvatsara " .

Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana about

the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

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Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much (poorva-bhaaga said by

Vaayu) :

Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas, verse 61-62

repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in

chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on the

basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure of year

in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides day and

night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and year are

measured in terms of this solar measure.

Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in the

manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya varsha to be

equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact replica of

Matsya Purana.

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Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya :

Verse-7 says :

" dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of gods) "

Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga. Verses 15-

say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam) varshas

which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the ratio is

360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

852000 divya varshas =

" ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha " (verse 15-16) ;

which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

" trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

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Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka says

(about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day of

gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of gods.

Then, Verse-15 says :

" Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

= " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are one

Varsha of Gods "

Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam " , ie,

chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya year

(of 360 human years) "

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Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane chaahanee

praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana

described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are called

" varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

(maanusha-loka) .

Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his abusive

attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood to

another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There are some

scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal to one solar

year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil makes a mess

of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due to his lack

of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in indological

studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts posing as an

expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

-Vinay Jha

============ ========= == ===

July 18, 2009

Dear Dada,

Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual ways!

What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time to time and remind

you that we were trying to 'help'!

Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from BVRaman's

astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...!) trying to:

? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may pronounce a

judgment in our cyber-village?

?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will leave that unfinished

and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the blanks! Just as a mental

exercise that has been recently found helpful, healthwise by doctors)

??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something like that?

Bhul chook leni deni!

Rohini

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> To all,

>

> Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana gives the

explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle = 2700 Divya

varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he is avoiding Vayu

purana all along.

>

> When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He is citing verses

about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka and not to Martyaloka.

He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up some wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16

> Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil

bhattacharjya!

>

> Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

>

To All :

>

> Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha was equal

>

> to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and refuses to

>

> accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him verses from all

>

> those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he hibernated for

>

> two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed with new lies

>

> and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and I sent

>

> references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive liar, after

>

> which will come again after some time with same falsehoods, feigning to

>

> forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me " an

>

> incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince everyone

>

> that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly, and is too

>

> haughty to admit his errors.

>

> Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana, which says :

>

> " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

>

> tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa chaiva-asuradvishaa m " (Amsha- vi,

>

> chapter-3, verse 10)

>

> It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya day-night / (and)

>

> 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods (=asuraodvishaam) . "

>

> Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one chaturyuga.. . "

>

> Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word because Mr Sunil

>

> does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear verdict and

>

> called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my " invention !

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from Mahabharata (khanda

>

> 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

>

> " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means days and

>

> nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17 says " Daive

>

> raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah , ahastatrodagayanam

>

> raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee varsham "

>

> means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here varsha is

>

> varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from preceding two

>

> verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is divided thus :

>

> uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine night " . MBh

>

> clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year : see verse 15

>

> above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in maanushalaukika

>

> (but not in devaloka). "

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient Jyotisha

>

> Siddhantas :

>

> Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar years for a

>

> mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa of

>

> Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000 and Earth's

>

> rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in Suryasiddhanta,

>

> this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day count in

>

> Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of Suryasiddhanta) .

>

> Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of Mahabharata

>

> (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which 4320000 normal

>

> solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see verses 5-6) and

>

> 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i, verse 10).

>

> Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta all

>

> clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and not 43200000

>

> days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts. His stand

>

> is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and

>

> Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vishnu Dharmottara

>

> Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga is of

>

> 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000 divine years.

>

> How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar " years ?

>

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>

> Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse direction like

>

> Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

>

> Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say that 360

>

> " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one divya year and

>

> 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga). Exactly

>

> same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3, verses

>

> 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have lengths

>

> of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of yugas is

>

> Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of Satyuga

>

> is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya " years

>

> according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the sequence of four

>

> yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even schoolboys do not

>

> commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive drinking,

>

> although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken daily.

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Here is his statement about Rgveda :

>

> <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all brothers. Then

>

> to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted several

>

> verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig Veda it is said

>

> that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse where it

>

> is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he missed the most

>

> relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

>

> I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all 49 Marutas

>

> are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be humans, born

>

> simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic times,

>

> because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why Sunil

>

> Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ? Rgveda never said

>

> " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He should cite

>

> texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures without a goblet

>

> in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic Sanskrit and

>

> simple english and Hindi translations of the same should keep away from

>

> difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are needed by

>

> Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every fool may pose

>

> as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of context.

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after which he went

>

> into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences, but after

>

> two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing that members

>

> must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this connection,

>

> another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also cited verses

>

> from Matsya Purana :

>

> <<<

>

> Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

>

> Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A century of men

>

> is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years make one

>

> year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One Thousand

>

> Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in Verses18-19 of

>

> Linga Purana cited below)

>

> >>>

>

> But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien. Let us agree

>

> to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu purana

>

> (57.17) " .

>

> Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that Divyavarsha is

>

> Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

>

> I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him to

>

> quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as shown below,

>

> and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

>

> Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana, which

>

> presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details than

>

> any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

>

> " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

>

> tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24, ch-5)

>

> " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half of

>

> verse-25, ch-5)

>

> Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas

>

> (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which is one

>

> " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa " while

>

> dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

>

> Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana,

>

> Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB says it is

>

> vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him, hence

>

> it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

>

> Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined in same

>

> verse. Then, verse-6 says :

>

> " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

>

> ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

>

> " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and dakshina

>

> make one year

>

> dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various types of

>

> Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as different

>

> typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one human

>

> year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said that " 30

>

> years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language is copy of

>

> Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

>

> ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

>

> Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

>

> " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

>

> divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

>

> It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya samvatsara " .

>

> Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana about

>

> the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much (poorva-bhaaga said by

>

> Vaayu) :

>

> Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas, verse 61-62

>

> repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in

>

> chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

>

> Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on the

>

> basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure of year

>

> in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides day and

>

> night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and year are

>

> measured in terms of this solar measure.

>

> Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in the

>

> manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya varsha to be

>

> equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact replica of

>

> Matsya Purana.

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya :

>

> Verse-7 says :

>

> " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of gods) "

>

> Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga. Verses 15-

>

> say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam) varshas

>

> which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the ratio is

>

> 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

>

> 852000 divya varshas =

>

> " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

>

> dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha " (verse 15-16) ;

>

> which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

>

> " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

>

> sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

>

> vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

>

> manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka says

>

> (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

>

> Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day of

>

> gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of gods.

>

> Then, Verse-15 says :

>

> " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

>

> Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

>

> = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are one

>

> Varsha of Gods "

>

> Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam " , ie,

>

> chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya year

>

> (of 360 human years) "

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane chaahanee

>

> praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

>

> paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana

>

> described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are called

>

> " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

>

> (maanusha-loka) .

>

> Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his abusive

>

> attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood to

>

> another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There are some

>

> scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal to one solar

>

> year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

>

> Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil makes a mess

>

> of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due to his lack

>

> of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in indological

>

> studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts posing as an

>

> expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

>

> -Vinay Jha

>

> ============ ========= == ===

>

July 18, 2009

Dear Rohini,

Sometime back I suggested to Mr. Vinay Jha to read the Vayu Purana as according

to me the Vayu purana clearly defines what are the Divya varsha and the Manushya

varsha and that purana also gives the example that 2700 Divya varsha (Sidereal

Solar year) is equal to 3030 Sidereal Lunar calendar, so that there would not be

any confusion. If my memory serves me right even the Vishnu purana also gives an

example to

show that the spam of Kali yuga is 48000 (360,000 / 75 = 4800) years,

in human calculations.

Then all of a sudden, even before he could read the Vayu purana on that topic,

he attacked me on the subject of the span of yuga again. Instead of trying to

sort out the issue he tried to show one-up-manship and I have to will-nilly try

to project what is the truth.

I have already said more than once that

let us agree to disagree. Let him say that he agrees to disagree and

then this exchange automatically comes to an end. But I doubt if an

egoist like him can agree to disagree and leave the topic. He thinks that by

hook or crook he can trounce me.

Best wishes,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Fri, 7/17/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

Re: Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, MrVinay Jha.

Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:16 PM

Dear Dada,

Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual ways!

What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time to time and remind

you that we were trying to 'help'!

Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from BVRaman's

astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...! ) trying to:

? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may pronounce a

judgment in our cyber-village?

?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will leave that unfinished

and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the blanks! Just as a mental

exercise that has been recently found helpful, healthwise by doctors)

??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something like that?

Bhul chook leni deni!

Rohini

, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy

a wrote:

>

> To all,

>

> Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana gives the

explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle = 2700 Divya

varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he is avoiding Vayu

purana all along.

>

> When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He is citing verses

about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka and not to Martyaloka.

He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up some wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

> vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil

bhattacharjya!

>

> Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

>

> To All :

>

> Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha was equal

>

> to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and refuses to

>

> accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him verses from all

>

> those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he hibernated for

>

> two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed with new lies

>

> and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and I sent

>

> references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive liar, after

>

> which will come again after some time with same falsehoods, feigning to

>

> forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me " an

>

> incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince everyone

>

> that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly, and is too

>

> haughty to admit his errors.

>

> Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana, which says :

>

> " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

>

> tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa chaiva-asuradvishaa m " (Amsha- vi,

>

> chapter-3, verse 10)

>

> It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya day-night / (and)

>

> 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods (=asuraodvishaam) . "

>

> Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one chaturyuga.. . "

>

> Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word because Mr Sunil

>

> does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear verdict and

>

> called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my " invention !

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from Mahabharata (khanda

>

> 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

>

> " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means days and

>

> nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17 says " Daive

>

> raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah , ahastatrodagayanam

>

> raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee varsham "

>

> means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here varsha is

>

> varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from preceding two

>

> verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is divided thus :

>

> uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine night " . MBh

>

> clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year : see verse 15

>

> above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in maanushalaukika

>

> (but not in devaloka). "

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient Jyotisha

>

> Siddhantas :

>

> Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar years for a

>

> mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa of

>

> Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000 and Earth's

>

> rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in Suryasiddhanta,

>

> this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day count in

>

> Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of Suryasiddhanta) .

>

> Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of Mahabharata

>

> (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which 4320000 normal

>

> solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see verses 5-6) and

>

> 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i, verse 10).

>

> Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta all

>

> clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and not 43200000

>

> days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts. His stand

>

> is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and

>

> Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vishnu Dharmottara

>

> Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga is of

>

> 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000 divine years.

>

> How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar " years ?

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse direction like

>

> Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

>

> Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say that 360

>

> " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one divya year and

>

> 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga). Exactly

>

> same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3, verses

>

> 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have lengths

>

> of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of yugas is

>

> Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of Satyuga

>

> is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya " years

>

> according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the sequence of four

>

> yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even schoolboys do not

>

> commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive drinking,

>

> although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken daily.

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Here is his statement about Rgveda :

>

> <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all brothers. Then

>

> to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted several

>

> verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig Veda it is said

>

> that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse where it

>

> is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he missed the most

>

> relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

>

> I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all 49 Marutas

>

> are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be humans, born

>

> simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic times,

>

> because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why Sunil

>

> Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ? Rgveda never said

>

> " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He should cite

>

> texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures without a goblet

>

> in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic Sanskrit and

>

> simple english and Hindi translations of the same should keep away from

>

> difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are needed by

>

> Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every fool may pose

>

> as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of context.

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after which he went

>

> into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences, but after

>

> two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing that members

>

> must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this connection,

>

> another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also cited verses

>

> from Matsya Purana :

>

> <<<

>

> Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

>

> Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A century of men

>

> is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years make one

>

> year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One Thousand

>

> Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in Verses18-19 of

>

> Linga Purana cited below)

>

> >>>

>

> But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien. Let us agree

>

> to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu purana

>

> (57.17) " .

>

> Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that Divyavarsha is

>

> Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

>

> I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him to

>

> quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as shown below,

>

> and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

>

> Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana, which

>

> presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details than

>

> any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

>

> " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

>

> tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24, ch-5)

>

> " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half of

>

> verse-25, ch-5)

>

> Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas

>

> (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which is one

>

> " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa " while

>

> dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

>

> Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana,

>

> Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB says it is

>

> vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him, hence

>

> it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

>

> Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined in same

>

> verse. Then, verse-6 says :

>

> " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

>

> ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

>

> " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and dakshina

>

> make one year

>

> dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various types of

>

> Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as different

>

> typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one human

>

> year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said that " 30

>

> years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language is copy of

>

> Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

>

> ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

>

> Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

>

> " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

>

> divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

>

> It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya samvatsara " .

>

> Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana about

>

> the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much (poorva-bhaaga said by

>

> Vaayu) :

>

> Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas, verse 61-62

>

> repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in

>

> chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

>

> Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on the

>

> basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure of year

>

> in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides day and

>

> night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and year are

>

> measured in terms of this solar measure.

>

> Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in the

>

> manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya varsha to be

>

> equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact replica of

>

> Matsya Purana.

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya :

>

> Verse-7 says :

>

> " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of gods) "

>

> Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga. Verses 15-

>

> say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam) varshas

>

> which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the ratio is

>

> 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

>

> 852000 divya varshas =

>

> " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

>

> dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha " (verse 15-16) ;

>

> which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

>

> " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

>

> sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

>

> vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

>

> manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka says

>

> (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

>

> Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day of

>

> gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of gods.

>

> Then, Verse-15 says :

>

> " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

>

> Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

>

> = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are one

>

> Varsha of Gods "

>

> Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam " , ie,

>

> chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya year

>

> (of 360 human years) "

>

> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane chaahanee

>

> praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

>

> paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana

>

> described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are called

>

> " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

>

> (maanusha-loka) .

>

> Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his abusive

>

> attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood to

>

> another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There are some

>

> scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal to one solar

>

> year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

>

> Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil makes a mess

>

> of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due to his lack

>

> of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in indological

>

> studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts posing as an

>

> expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

>

> -Vinay Jha

>

> ============ ========= == ===

>

July 18, 2009

To Rohini Ji & c,

Mr Sunil Ji says " If my memory serves me right even the Vishnu purana

also gives... " .

I had provided the website address of Mahirishi Institute of management

(http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/ <http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/> )

where all these debated texts are available. Why Sunil Ji relies on his

fallible memory instead of consulting the texts ? Neither Vishnu Purana

(or any other text) says Kaliyuga to be of 4800 years, nor Vayu Purana

says what he wrongly quotes. I possess many Puranas in my room, and many

more in electric form downloaded from reliable sites, but I do not

possess Vayu Purana at present, but I requested Dr Girija Shankar

Shastri, the foremost astrologer of Allahabad and HOD of sankrit there,

to scan Vayu purana. He did so and reported that Vayu Purana does not

support what Sunil ji claims.

Dr Girija Shankar Shastri has edited and published many rare Sanskrit

manuscripts of Jyotisha and is invited by many universities as an expert

in PhD interviews (recently, he was a member of an expert committee

constituted by KSD Sanskrit University for interviewing those candidates

who were already PhD and were applicant for major research Project of

UGC, I was also a member there). Dr Girija Shankar Shastri is a busy

person, and not very deft in handling computers, but has agreed to join

this group. I hope Sunil Ji will will not abuse him in the manner he

does me, otherwise he may face libel suits, because many judges and

advocates of Allahabad are supportes and disciples of Dr Girija Shankar

Shastri due to erudition of the latter. A monk can neglect to file a

libel suit, but others may do. Mr Sunil should understand the meaning of

" erudite gentleman " . Mr Sunil is refuting the evidence of so many

Puranas & c sent by me and is refusing to cite verses which he wrongly

quotes.

I have requested the General Secretary of Akhila Bhaaratiya Vidvat

Parishada (of Varanasi) to join these forums to see how Hindu scriptures

are being misquoted in astrological fora ; this person is also the

member of national executive of RSS and is a former weditor of Vishva

Panchanga of BHU, and is a firebrand opponent of fall falsehoods, and

has agreed to spend some time in these fora.

If needed, I will request other reputed scholars of India to see the

state of things in internet fora. Mr Sunil is heading towards greater

troubles if he sticks to falsehood and abuses.

-VJ

=================== ===

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini,

>

> Sometime back I suggested to Mr. Vinay Jha to read the Vayu Purana as

according to me the Vayu purana clearly defines what are the Divya

varsha and the Manushya varsha and that purana also gives the example

that 2700 Divya varsha (Sidereal Solar year) is equal to 3030 Sidereal

Lunar calendar, so that there would not be any confusion. If my memory

serves me right even the Vishnu purana also gives an example to

> show that the spam of Kali yuga is 48000 (360,000 / 75 = 4800) years,

> in human calculations.

>

> Then all of a sudden, even before he could read the Vayu purana on

that topic, he attacked me on the subject of the span of yuga again.

Instead of trying to sort out the issue he tried to show one-up-manship

and I have to will-nilly try to project what is the truth.

>

> I have already said more than once that

> let us agree to disagree. Let him say that he agrees to disagree and

> then this exchange automatically comes to an end. But I doubt if an

> egoist like him can agree to disagree and leave the topic. He thinks

that by hook or crook he can trounce me.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani

> Re: Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, MrVinay

Jha.

>

> Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:16 PM

>

Dear Dada,

>

> Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual ways!

>

> What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time to time

and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

>

> Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from BVRaman's

astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...! ) trying to:

>

> ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may pronounce

a judgment in our cyber-village?

>

> ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will leave that

unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the blanks! Just

as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful, healthwise by

doctors)

>

> ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something like that?

>

> Bhul chook leni deni!

>

> Rohini

>

> , Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

>

> >

>

> > To all,

>

> >

>

> > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana gives the

explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle = 2700

Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

>

> > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he is

avoiding Vayu purana all along.

>

> >

>

> > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He is citing

verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka and not

to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up some

wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

>

> >

>

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

>

> > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil

bhattacharjya!

>

> >

>

> > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > To All :

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha was

equal

>

> >

>

> > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and refuses

to

>

> >

>

> > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him verses from

all

>

> >

>

> > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he hibernated

for

>

> >

>

> > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed with new

lies

>

> >

>

> > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and I sent

>

> >

>

> > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive liar, after

>

> >

>

> > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods, feigning

to

>

> >

>

> > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me " an

>

> >

>

> > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince

everyone

>

> >

>

> > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly, and is

too

>

> >

>

> > haughty to admit his errors.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana, which says

:

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa chaiva-asuradvishaa

m " (Amsha- vi,

>

> >

>

> > chapter-3, verse 10)

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya day-night /

(and)

>

> >

>

> > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

(=asuraodvishaam) . "

>

> >

>

> > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one chaturyuga.. . "

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word because Mr

Sunil

>

> >

>

> > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear verdict

and

>

> >

>

> > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my " invention !

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from Mahabharata

(khanda

>

> >

>

> > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means days and

>

> >

>

> > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17 says

" Daive

>

> >

>

> > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah , ahastatrodagayanam

>

> >

>

> > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee varsham "

>

> >

>

> > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here varsha is

>

> >

>

> > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from preceding two

>

> >

>

> > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is divided thus

:

>

> >

>

> > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine night " . MBh

>

> >

>

> > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year : see verse

15

>

> >

>

> > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

maanushalaukika

>

> >

>

> > (but not in devaloka). "

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

Jyotisha

>

> >

>

> > Siddhantas :

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar years for

a

>

> >

>

> > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa of

>

> >

>

> > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000 and

Earth's

>

> >

>

> > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in Suryasiddhanta,

>

> >

>

> > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day count in

>

> >

>

> > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of Suryasiddhanta) .

>

> >

>

> > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

Mahabharata

>

> >

>

> > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which 4320000 normal

>

> >

>

> > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see verses 5-6)

and

>

> >

>

> > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i, verse

10).

>

> >

>

> > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta all

>

> >

>

> > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and not

43200000

>

> >

>

> > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts. His

stand

>

> >

>

> > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya

and

>

> >

>

> > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vishnu

Dharmottara

>

> >

>

> > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga is of

>

> >

>

> > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000 divine

years.

>

> >

>

> > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar " years ?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse direction

like

>

> >

>

> > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say that

360

>

> >

>

> > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one divya year

and

>

> >

>

> > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga).

Exactly

>

> >

>

> > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3, verses

>

> >

>

> > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have

lengths

>

> >

>

> > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of yugas is

>

> >

>

> > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of

Satyuga

>

> >

>

> > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya " years

>

> >

>

> > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the sequence of

four

>

> >

>

> > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even schoolboys do

not

>

> >

>

> > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

drinking,

>

> >

>

> > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken daily.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all brothers.

Then

>

> >

>

> > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted several

>

> >

>

> > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig Veda it is

said

>

> >

>

> > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse where

it

>

> >

>

> > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he missed the

most

>

> >

>

> > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all 49

Marutas

>

> >

>

> > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be humans,

born

>

> >

>

> > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic times,

>

> >

>

> > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why Sunil

>

> >

>

> > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ? Rgveda never

said

>

> >

>

> > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He should cite

>

> >

>

> > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures without a

goblet

>

> >

>

> > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic Sanskrit

and

>

> >

>

> > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should keep away

from

>

> >

>

> > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are needed

by

>

> >

>

> > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every fool may

pose

>

> >

>

> > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of context.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after which he

went

>

> >

>

> > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences, but

after

>

> >

>

> > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing that

members

>

> >

>

> > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this connection,

>

> >

>

> > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also cited

verses

>

> >

>

> > from Matsya Purana :

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > <<<

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A century of

men

>

> >

>

> > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years make one

>

> >

>

> > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

Thousand

>

> >

>

> > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in Verses18-19

of

>

> >

>

> > Linga Purana cited below)

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > >>>

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien. Let us

agree

>

> >

>

> > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu purana

>

> >

>

> > (57.17) " .

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that Divyavarsha

is

>

> >

>

> > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him to

>

> >

>

> > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as shown

below,

>

> >

>

> > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana, which

>

> >

>

> > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details

than

>

> >

>

> > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24, ch-5)

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half of

>

> >

>

> > verse-25, ch-5)

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas

>

> >

>

> > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which is

one

>

> >

>

> > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa " while

>

> >

>

> > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana,

>

> >

>

> > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB says it

is

>

> >

>

> > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him,

hence

>

> >

>

> > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined in

same

>

> >

>

> > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and

dakshina

>

> >

>

> > make one year

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various types

of

>

> >

>

> > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

different

>

> >

>

> > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one

human

>

> >

>

> > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said that

" 30

>

> >

>

> > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language is copy

of

>

> >

>

> > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

>

> >

>

> > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya samvatsara " .

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana

about

>

> >

>

> > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much (poorva-bhaaga

said by

>

> >

>

> > Vaayu) :

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas, verse

61-62

>

> >

>

> > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in

>

> >

>

> > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on the

>

> >

>

> > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure of

year

>

> >

>

> > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides day

and

>

> >

>

> > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and year are

>

> >

>

> > measured in terms of this solar measure.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in the

>

> >

>

> > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya varsha to

be

>

> >

>

> > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact replica

of

>

> >

>

> > Matsya Purana.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya :

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Verse-7 says :

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of

gods) "

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga. Verses

15-

>

> >

>

> > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam)

varshas

>

> >

>

> > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the ratio

is

>

> >

>

> > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > 852000 divya varshas =

>

> >

>

> > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

>

> >

>

> > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha " (verse

15-16) ;

>

> >

>

> > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

>

> >

>

> > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

>

> >

>

> > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

>

> >

>

> > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

>

> >

>

> > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka says

>

> >

>

> > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day of

>

> >

>

> > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of gods.

>

> >

>

> > Then, Verse-15 says :

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are one

>

> >

>

> > Varsha of Gods "

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam " , ie,

>

> >

>

> > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya

year

>

> >

>

> > (of 360 human years) "

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane chaahanee

>

> >

>

> > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

>

> >

>

> > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

dakshinaayana

>

> >

>

> > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are called

>

> >

>

> > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

>

> >

>

> > (maanusha-loka) .

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his

abusive

>

> >

>

> > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood to

>

> >

>

> > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There are some

>

> >

>

> > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal to one

solar

>

> >

>

> > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

>

> >

>

> > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil makes a

mess

>

> >

>

> > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due to his

lack

>

> >

>

> > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in indological

>

> >

>

> > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts posing as

an

>

> >

>

> > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > -Vinay Jha

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ============ ========= == ===

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

July 18, 2009

Dear Rohini ji,

who is the panchayat here ants like you?.........when 2 elephants are at

logerheads what can the ants do?Iam also leaving the answer to the

giants because i am helpless(like many).

I am just unable to understand with my little brain what does it

serve?Does it serve GOD?again i have my own little doubts.....

Even if it is proved that one of them is right, what does it

mean.......GOD KNOWS!!!

REGARDS,

gopi.

, " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Dear Dada,

>

> Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual ways!

>

> What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time to time

and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

>

> Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from BVRaman's

astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...!) trying to:

>

> ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may pronounce

a judgment in our cyber-village?

>

> ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will leave that

unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the blanks! Just

as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful, healthwise by

doctors)

>

> ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something like that?

>

> Bhul chook leni deni!

>

> Rohini

>

> , Sunil Bhattacharjya

sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote:

> >

> > To all,

> >

> > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana gives the

explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle = 2700

Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he is

avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> >

> > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He is citing

verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka and not

to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up some

wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> >

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> >

> > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> >

> > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@

> > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil

bhattacharjya!

> >

> > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> >

> > To All :

> >

> > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha was

equal

> >

> > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and refuses

to

> >

> > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him verses from

all

> >

> > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he hibernated

for

> >

> > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed with new

lies

> >

> > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and I sent

> >

> > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive liar, after

> >

> > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods, feigning

to

> >

> > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me " an

> >

> > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince everyone

> >

> > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly, and is

too

> >

> > haughty to admit his errors.

> >

> > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana, which says

:

> >

> > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

> >

> > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa chaiva-asuradvishaa

m " (Amsha- vi,

> >

> > chapter-3, verse 10)

> >

> > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya day-night /

(and)

> >

> > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

(=asuraodvishaam) . "

> >

> > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one chaturyuga.. . "

> >

> > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word because Mr

Sunil

> >

> > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear verdict

and

> >

> > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my " invention !

> >

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from Mahabharata

(khanda

> >

> > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> >

> > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means days and

> >

> > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17 says

" Daive

> >

> > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah , ahastatrodagayanam

> >

> > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee varsham "

> >

> > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here varsha is

> >

> > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from preceding two

> >

> > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is divided thus

:

> >

> > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine night " . MBh

> >

> > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year : see verse

15

> >

> > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

maanushalaukika

> >

> > (but not in devaloka). "

> >

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

Jyotisha

> >

> > Siddhantas :

> >

> > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar years for

a

> >

> > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa of

> >

> > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000 and

Earth's

> >

> > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in Suryasiddhanta,

> >

> > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day count in

> >

> > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of Suryasiddhanta) .

> >

> > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

Mahabharata

> >

> > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which 4320000 normal

> >

> > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see verses 5-6)

and

> >

> > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i, verse

10).

> >

> > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta all

> >

> > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and not

43200000

> >

> > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts. His

stand

> >

> > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya

and

> >

> > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vishnu

Dharmottara

> >

> > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga is of

> >

> > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000 divine

years.

> >

> > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar " years ?

> >

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse direction

like

> >

> > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> >

> > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say that

360

> >

> > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one divya year

and

> >

> > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga).

Exactly

> >

> > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3, verses

> >

> > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have

lengths

> >

> > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of yugas is

> >

> > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of

Satyuga

> >

> > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya " years

> >

> > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the sequence of

four

> >

> > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even schoolboys do

not

> >

> > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

drinking,

> >

> > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken daily.

> >

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> >

> > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all brothers.

Then

> >

> > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted several

> >

> > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig Veda it is

said

> >

> > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse where

it

> >

> > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he missed the

most

> >

> > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

> >

> > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all 49

Marutas

> >

> > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be humans,

born

> >

> > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic times,

> >

> > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why Sunil

> >

> > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ? Rgveda never

said

> >

> > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He should cite

> >

> > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures without a

goblet

> >

> > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic Sanskrit

and

> >

> > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should keep away

from

> >

> > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are needed

by

> >

> > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every fool may

pose

> >

> > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of context.

> >

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after which he

went

> >

> > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences, but

after

> >

> > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing that

members

> >

> > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this connection,

> >

> > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also cited

verses

> >

> > from Matsya Purana :

> >

> > <<<

> >

> > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> >

> > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A century of

men

> >

> > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years make one

> >

> > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

Thousand

> >

> > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in Verses18-19 of

> >

> > Linga Purana cited below)

> >

> > >>>

> >

> > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien. Let us

agree

> >

> > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu purana

> >

> > (57.17) " .

> >

> > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that Divyavarsha

is

> >

> > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

> >

> > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him to

> >

> > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

> >

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as shown

below,

> >

> > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

> >

> > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana, which

> >

> > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details

than

> >

> > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> >

> > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> >

> > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24, ch-5)

> >

> > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half of

> >

> > verse-25, ch-5)

> >

> > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas

> >

> > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which is

one

> >

> > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa " while

> >

> > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> >

> > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana,

> >

> > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB says it

is

> >

> > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him, hence

> >

> > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

> >

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> >

> > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined in

same

> >

> > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> >

> > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> >

> > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> >

> > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and

dakshina

> >

> > make one year

> >

> > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

> >

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various types

of

> >

> > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

different

> >

> > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one

human

> >

> > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said that

" 30

> >

> > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language is copy

of

> >

> > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

> >

> > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

> >

> > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

> >

> > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> >

> > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

> >

> > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya samvatsara " .

> >

> > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana

about

> >

> > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> >

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much (poorva-bhaaga

said by

> >

> > Vaayu) :

> >

> > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas, verse

61-62

> >

> > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in

> >

> > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

> >

> > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on the

> >

> > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure of

year

> >

> > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides day

and

> >

> > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and year are

> >

> > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> >

> > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in the

> >

> > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya varsha to

be

> >

> > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact replica

of

> >

> > Matsya Purana.

> >

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya :

> >

> > Verse-7 says :

> >

> > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of

gods) "

> >

> > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga. Verses

15-

> >

> > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam)

varshas

> >

> > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the ratio is

> >

> > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> >

> > 852000 divya varshas =

> >

> > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

> >

> > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha " (verse

15-16) ;

> >

> > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> >

> > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

> >

> > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

> >

> > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

> >

> > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

> >

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka says

> >

> > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

> >

> > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day of

> >

> > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of gods.

> >

> > Then, Verse-15 says :

> >

> > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> >

> > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

> >

> > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are one

> >

> > Varsha of Gods "

> >

> > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam " , ie,

> >

> > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya

year

> >

> > (of 360 human years) "

> >

> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane chaahanee

> >

> > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> >

> > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

dakshinaayana

> >

> > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are called

> >

> > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

> >

> > (maanusha-loka) .

> >

> > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his

abusive

> >

> > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood to

> >

> > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There are some

> >

> > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal to one

solar

> >

> > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

> >

> > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil makes a

mess

> >

> > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due to his

lack

> >

> > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in indological

> >

> > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts posing as

an

> >

> > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

> >

> > -Vinay Jha

> >

> > ============ ========= == ===

> >

July 18, 2009

Dear Gopi jee,

There is no " little brain'! As long as we are listening and embracing all

inputs...

We each get exactly the right amount of brain that was in our life-plan (=script

that we must work through in this lifetime!).

Even if we do not understand it fully or personally, life-plan that is!

That is where others (teachers, friends, relatives, loved ones, astrologers and

other divinators) step in if they were supposed to, in our life-plan!

If this smells too suspiciously of a promo for " Destiny " , then one is ignoring

the fact that the BLUE_PRINT of Eifel Tower is not the same as the structure

that we visit today and in such AWE!

Best regards,

Rohiniranjan

, " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini ji,

>

> who is the panchayat here ants like you?.........when 2 elephants are at

> logerheads what can the ants do?Iam also leaving the answer to the

> giants because i am helpless(like many).

>

> I am just unable to understand with my little brain what does it

> serve?Does it serve GOD?again i have my own little doubts.....

>

> Even if it is proved that one of them is right, what does it

> mean.......GOD KNOWS!!!

>

> REGARDS,

>

> gopi.

>

> , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Dada,

> >

> > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual ways!

> >

> > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time to time

> and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> >

> > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from BVRaman's

> astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...!) trying to:

> >

> > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may pronounce

> a judgment in our cyber-village?

> >

> > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will leave that

> unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the blanks! Just

> as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful, healthwise by

> doctors)

> >

> > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something like that?

> >

> > Bhul chook leni deni!

> >

> > Rohini

> >

> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote:

> > >

> > > To all,

> > >

> > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana gives the

> explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle = 2700

> Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he is

> avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> > >

> > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He is citing

> verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka and not

> to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up some

> wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> > >

> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > >

> > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@

> > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil

> bhattacharjya!

> > >

> > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> > >

> > > To All :

> > >

> > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha was

> equal

> > >

> > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and refuses

> to

> > >

> > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him verses from

> all

> > >

> > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he hibernated

> for

> > >

> > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed with new

> lies

> > >

> > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and I sent

> > >

> > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive liar, after

> > >

> > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods, feigning

> to

> > >

> > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me " an

> > >

> > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince everyone

> > >

> > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly, and is

> too

> > >

> > > haughty to admit his errors.

> > >

> > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana, which says

> :

> > >

> > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

> > >

> > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa chaiva-asuradvishaa

> m " (Amsha- vi,

> > >

> > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> > >

> > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya day-night /

> (and)

> > >

> > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

> (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> > >

> > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one chaturyuga.. . "

> > >

> > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word because Mr

> Sunil

> > >

> > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear verdict

> and

> > >

> > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my " invention !

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from Mahabharata

> (khanda

> > >

> > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> > >

> > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means days and

> > >

> > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17 says

> " Daive

> > >

> > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah , ahastatrodagayanam

> > >

> > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee varsham "

> > >

> > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here varsha is

> > >

> > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from preceding two

> > >

> > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is divided thus

> :

> > >

> > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine night " . MBh

> > >

> > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year : see verse

> 15

> > >

> > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

> maanushalaukika

> > >

> > > (but not in devaloka). "

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

> Jyotisha

> > >

> > > Siddhantas :

> > >

> > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar years for

> a

> > >

> > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa of

> > >

> > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000 and

> Earth's

> > >

> > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in Suryasiddhanta,

> > >

> > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day count in

> > >

> > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of Suryasiddhanta) .

> > >

> > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

> Mahabharata

> > >

> > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which 4320000 normal

> > >

> > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see verses 5-6)

> and

> > >

> > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i, verse

> 10).

> > >

> > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta all

> > >

> > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and not

> 43200000

> > >

> > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts. His

> stand

> > >

> > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya

> and

> > >

> > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vishnu

> Dharmottara

> > >

> > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga is of

> > >

> > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000 divine

> years.

> > >

> > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar " years ?

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse direction

> like

> > >

> > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> > >

> > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say that

> 360

> > >

> > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one divya year

> and

> > >

> > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga).

> Exactly

> > >

> > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3, verses

> > >

> > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have

> lengths

> > >

> > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of yugas is

> > >

> > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of

> Satyuga

> > >

> > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya " years

> > >

> > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the sequence of

> four

> > >

> > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even schoolboys do

> not

> > >

> > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

> drinking,

> > >

> > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken daily.

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> > >

> > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all brothers.

> Then

> > >

> > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted several

> > >

> > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig Veda it is

> said

> > >

> > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse where

> it

> > >

> > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he missed the

> most

> > >

> > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

> > >

> > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all 49

> Marutas

> > >

> > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be humans,

> born

> > >

> > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic times,

> > >

> > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why Sunil

> > >

> > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ? Rgveda never

> said

> > >

> > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He should cite

> > >

> > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures without a

> goblet

> > >

> > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic Sanskrit

> and

> > >

> > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should keep away

> from

> > >

> > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are needed

> by

> > >

> > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every fool may

> pose

> > >

> > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of context.

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after which he

> went

> > >

> > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences, but

> after

> > >

> > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing that

> members

> > >

> > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this connection,

> > >

> > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also cited

> verses

> > >

> > > from Matsya Purana :

> > >

> > > <<<

> > >

> > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> > >

> > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A century of

> men

> > >

> > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years make one

> > >

> > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

> Thousand

> > >

> > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in Verses18-19 of

> > >

> > > Linga Purana cited below)

> > >

> > > >>>

> > >

> > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien. Let us

> agree

> > >

> > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu purana

> > >

> > > (57.17) " .

> > >

> > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that Divyavarsha

> is

> > >

> > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

> > >

> > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him to

> > >

> > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as shown

> below,

> > >

> > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

> > >

> > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana, which

> > >

> > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details

> than

> > >

> > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> > >

> > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> > >

> > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24, ch-5)

> > >

> > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half of

> > >

> > > verse-25, ch-5)

> > >

> > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas

> > >

> > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which is

> one

> > >

> > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa " while

> > >

> > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> > >

> > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana,

> > >

> > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB says it

> is

> > >

> > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him, hence

> > >

> > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> > >

> > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined in

> same

> > >

> > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> > >

> > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> > >

> > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> > >

> > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and

> dakshina

> > >

> > > make one year

> > >

> > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various types

> of

> > >

> > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

> different

> > >

> > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one

> human

> > >

> > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said that

> " 30

> > >

> > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language is copy

> of

> > >

> > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

> > >

> > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

> > >

> > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

> > >

> > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> > >

> > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

> > >

> > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya samvatsara " .

> > >

> > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana

> about

> > >

> > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much (poorva-bhaaga

> said by

> > >

> > > Vaayu) :

> > >

> > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas, verse

> 61-62

> > >

> > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in

> > >

> > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

> > >

> > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on the

> > >

> > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure of

> year

> > >

> > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides day

> and

> > >

> > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and year are

> > >

> > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> > >

> > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in the

> > >

> > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya varsha to

> be

> > >

> > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact replica

> of

> > >

> > > Matsya Purana.

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya :

> > >

> > > Verse-7 says :

> > >

> > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of

> gods) "

> > >

> > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga. Verses

> 15-

> > >

> > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam)

> varshas

> > >

> > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the ratio is

> > >

> > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> > >

> > > 852000 divya varshas =

> > >

> > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

> > >

> > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha " (verse

> 15-16) ;

> > >

> > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> > >

> > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

> > >

> > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

> > >

> > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

> > >

> > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka says

> > >

> > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

> > >

> > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day of

> > >

> > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of gods.

> > >

> > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> > >

> > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> > >

> > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

> > >

> > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are one

> > >

> > > Varsha of Gods "

> > >

> > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam " , ie,

> > >

> > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya

> year

> > >

> > > (of 360 human years) "

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane chaahanee

> > >

> > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> > >

> > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

> dakshinaayana

> > >

> > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are called

> > >

> > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

> > >

> > > (maanusha-loka) .

> > >

> > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his

> abusive

> > >

> > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood to

> > >

> > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There are some

> > >

> > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal to one

> solar

> > >

> > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

> > >

> > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil makes a

> mess

> > >

> > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due to his

> lack

> > >

> > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in indological

> > >

> > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts posing as

> an

> > >

> > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

> > >

> > > -Vinay Jha

> > >

> > > ============ ========= == ===

> > >

July 18, 2009

To Rohini ji & c,

It is clear that Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya does not care for scriptures and

believes false quotations will help him to establish a false concept as

true. Hence, I have requested some university heads and professors to

join internet fora. Today, Dr Radhakant Mishra, who became HOD of

Jyotisha Dept as well as of Faculty last year in KSD Sanskrit

University, also agreed to devote some time in these fora.

Some senior Jyotishis & c from national leadership of Rashtriya

Svayamsevaka Samgha are soon joining these fora to take care of Mr Sunil

Bhattacharjya & c. They cannot be abused away, they know how to deal with

abusers and liars.

-VJ

====================== ==

, " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16

wrote:

>

> To Rohini Ji & c,

>

> Mr Sunil Ji says " If my memory serves me right even the Vishnu purana

> also gives... " .

>

> I had provided the website address of Mahirishi Institute of

management

> (http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/ <http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/>

)

> where all these debated texts are available. Why Sunil Ji relies on

his

> fallible memory instead of consulting the texts ? Neither Vishnu

Purana

> (or any other text) says Kaliyuga to be of 4800 years, nor Vayu Purana

> says what he wrongly quotes. I possess many Puranas in my room, and

many

> more in electric form downloaded from reliable sites, but I do not

> possess Vayu Purana at present, but I requested Dr Girija Shankar

> Shastri, the foremost astrologer of Allahabad and HOD of sankrit

there,

> to scan Vayu purana. He did so and reported that Vayu Purana does not

> support what Sunil ji claims.

>

> Dr Girija Shankar Shastri has edited and published many rare Sanskrit

> manuscripts of Jyotisha and is invited by many universities as an

expert

> in PhD interviews (recently, he was a member of an expert committee

> constituted by KSD Sanskrit University for interviewing those

candidates

> who were already PhD and were applicant for major research Project of

> UGC, I was also a member there). Dr Girija Shankar Shastri is a busy

> person, and not very deft in handling computers, but has agreed to

join

> this group. I hope Sunil Ji will will not abuse him in the manner he

> does me, otherwise he may face libel suits, because many judges and

> advocates of Allahabad are supportes and disciples of Dr Girija

Shankar

> Shastri due to erudition of the latter. A monk can neglect to file a

> libel suit, but others may do. Mr Sunil should understand the meaning

of

> " erudite gentleman " . Mr Sunil is refuting the evidence of so many

> Puranas & c sent by me and is refusing to cite verses which he wrongly

> quotes.

>

> I have requested the General Secretary of Akhila Bhaaratiya Vidvat

> Parishada (of Varanasi) to join these forums to see how Hindu

scriptures

> are being misquoted in astrological fora ; this person is also the

> member of national executive of RSS and is a former weditor of Vishva

> Panchanga of BHU, and is a firebrand opponent of fall falsehoods, and

> has agreed to spend some time in these fora.

>

> If needed, I will request other reputed scholars of India to see the

> state of things in internet fora. Mr Sunil is heading towards greater

> troubles if he sticks to falsehood and abuses.

>

> -VJ

> =================== ===

> , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohini,

> >

> > Sometime back I suggested to Mr. Vinay Jha to read the Vayu Purana

as

> according to me the Vayu purana clearly defines what are the Divya

> varsha and the Manushya varsha and that purana also gives the example

> that 2700 Divya varsha (Sidereal Solar year) is equal to 3030 Sidereal

> Lunar calendar, so that there would not be any confusion. If my memory

> serves me right even the Vishnu purana also gives an example to

> > show that the spam of Kali yuga is 48000 (360,000 / 75 = 4800)

years,

> > in human calculations.

> >

> > Then all of a sudden, even before he could read the Vayu purana on

> that topic, he attacked me on the subject of the span of yuga again.

> Instead of trying to sort out the issue he tried to show

one-up-manship

> and I have to will-nilly try to project what is the truth.

> >

> > I have already said more than once that

> > let us agree to disagree. Let him say that he agrees to disagree and

> > then this exchange automatically comes to an end. But I doubt if an

> > egoist like him can agree to disagree and leave the topic. He thinks

> that by hook or crook he can trounce me.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> >

> > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@ wrote:

> >

> > Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@

> > Re: Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, MrVinay

> Jha.

> >

> > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:16 PM

> >

> > Dear Dada,

> >

> > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual ways!

> >

> > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time to

time

> and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> >

> > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from

BVRaman's

> astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...! ) trying to:

> >

> > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may

pronounce

> a judgment in our cyber-village?

> >

> > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will leave

that

> unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the blanks!

Just

> as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful, healthwise

by

> doctors)

> >

> > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something like

that?

> >

> > Bhul chook leni deni!

> >

> > Rohini

> >

> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > To all,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana gives

the

> explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle = 2700

> Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> >

> > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he is

> avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He is

citing

> verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka and

not

> to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up some

> wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> >

> > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil

> bhattacharjya!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > To All :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha was

> equal

> >

> > >

> >

> > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and

refuses

> to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him verses

from

> all

> >

> > >

> >

> > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he

hibernated

> for

> >

> > >

> >

> > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed with new

> lies

> >

> > >

> >

> > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and I

sent

> >

> > >

> >

> > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive liar,

after

> >

> > >

> >

> > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods,

feigning

> to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me " an

> >

> > >

> >

> > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince

> everyone

> >

> > >

> >

> > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly, and

is

> too

> >

> > >

> >

> > > haughty to admit his errors.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana, which

says

> :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa chaiva-asuradvishaa

> m " (Amsha- vi,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya day-night /

> (and)

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

> (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one chaturyuga..

.. "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word because Mr

> Sunil

> >

> > >

> >

> > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear

verdict

> and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my " invention !

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from Mahabharata

> (khanda

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means days

and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17 says

> " Daive

> >

> > >

> >

> > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah , ahastatrodagayanam

> >

> > >

> >

> > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee

varsham "

> >

> > >

> >

> > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here varsha

is

> >

> > >

> >

> > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from preceding two

> >

> > >

> >

> > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is divided

thus

> :

> >

> > >

> >

> > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine night " .

MBh

> >

> > >

> >

> > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year : see

verse

> 15

> >

> > >

> >

> > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

> maanushalaukika

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (but not in devaloka). "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

> Jyotisha

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Siddhantas :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar years

for

> a

> >

> > >

> >

> > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000 and

> Earth's

> >

> > >

> >

> > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in

Suryasiddhanta,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day count in

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of Suryasiddhanta) .

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

> Mahabharata

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which 4320000

normal

> >

> > >

> >

> > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see verses

5-6)

> and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i, verse

> 10).

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta

all

> >

> > >

> >

> > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and not

> 43200000

> >

> > >

> >

> > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts. His

> stand

> >

> > >

> >

> > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta,

Aryabhatiya

> and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vishnu

> Dharmottara

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga is of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000 divine

> years.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar " years

?

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse

direction

> like

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say that

> 360

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one divya

year

> and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga).

> Exactly

> >

> > >

> >

> > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3,

verses

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have

> lengths

> >

> > >

> >

> > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of yugas is

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of

> Satyuga

> >

> > >

> >

> > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya " years

> >

> > >

> >

> > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the sequence of

> four

> >

> > >

> >

> > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even schoolboys

do

> not

> >

> > >

> >

> > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

> drinking,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken

daily.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all brothers.

> Then

> >

> > >

> >

> > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted several

> >

> > >

> >

> > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig Veda it

is

> said

> >

> > >

> >

> > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse

where

> it

> >

> > >

> >

> > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he missed the

> most

> >

> > >

> >

> > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all 49

> Marutas

> >

> > >

> >

> > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be humans,

> born

> >

> > >

> >

> > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic

times,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why Sunil

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ? Rgveda

never

> said

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He should

cite

> >

> > >

> >

> > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures without a

> goblet

> >

> > >

> >

> > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic

Sanskrit

> and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should keep away

> from

> >

> > >

> >

> > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are needed

> by

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every fool may

> pose

> >

> > >

> >

> > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of context.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after which he

> went

> >

> > >

> >

> > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences, but

> after

> >

> > >

> >

> > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing that

> members

> >

> > >

> >

> > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this

connection,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also cited

> verses

> >

> > >

> >

> > > from Matsya Purana :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > <<<

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A century

of

> men

> >

> > >

> >

> > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years make

one

> >

> > >

> >

> > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

> Thousand

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in Verses18-19

> of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Linga Purana cited below)

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >>>

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien. Let us

> agree

> >

> > >

> >

> > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu purana

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (57.17) " .

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that

Divyavarsha

> is

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him

to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as shown

> below,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana,

which

> >

> > >

> >

> > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details

> than

> >

> > >

> >

> > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24, ch-5)

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > verse-25, ch-5)

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which is

> one

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa "

while

> >

> > >

> >

> > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB says

it

> is

> >

> > >

> >

> > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him,

> hence

> >

> > >

> >

> > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined in

> same

> >

> > >

> >

> > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and

> dakshina

> >

> > >

> >

> > > make one year

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various

types

> of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

> different

> >

> > >

> >

> > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one

> human

> >

> > >

> >

> > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said

that

> " 30

> >

> > >

> >

> > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language is

copy

> of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

> >

> > >

> >

> > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya samvatsara " .

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana

> about

> >

> > >

> >

> > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much (poorva-bhaaga

> said by

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Vaayu) :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas, verse

> 61-62

> >

> > >

> >

> > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in

> >

> > >

> >

> > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on

the

> >

> > >

> >

> > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure of

> year

> >

> > >

> >

> > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides day

> and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and year are

> >

> > >

> >

> > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in

the

> >

> > >

> >

> > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya varsha

to

> be

> >

> > >

> >

> > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact

replica

> of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Matsya Purana.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Verse-7 says :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of

> gods) "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga.

Verses

> 15-

> >

> > >

> >

> > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam)

> varshas

> >

> > >

> >

> > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the

ratio

> is

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 852000 divya varshas =

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

> >

> > >

> >

> > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha " (verse

> 15-16) ;

> >

> > >

> >

> > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

> >

> > >

> >

> > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

> >

> > >

> >

> > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

> >

> > >

> >

> > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka says

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day

of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of

gods.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are

one

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Varsha of Gods "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam " , ie,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya

> year

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (of 360 human years) "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane

chaahanee

> >

> > >

> >

> > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> >

> > >

> >

> > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

> dakshinaayana

> >

> > >

> >

> > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are called

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (maanusha-loka) .

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his

> abusive

> >

> > >

> >

> > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood

to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There are some

> >

> > >

> >

> > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal to one

> solar

> >

> > >

> >

> > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil makes a

> mess

> >

> > >

> >

> > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due to his

> lack

> >

> > >

> >

> > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in indological

> >

> > >

> >

> > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts posing

as

> an

> >

> > >

> >

> > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > -Vinay Jha

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > ============ ========= == ===

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

July 18, 2009

Vinay-ji!

Did you not hear the news?

I am not one of the FIVE any longer! I am not in the Panchaayat!

Good luck with your battle! Or is it a WAR/CRUSADE, really?

RR

, " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> To Rohini ji & c,

>

> It is clear that Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya does not care for scriptures and

> believes false quotations will help him to establish a false concept as

> true. Hence, I have requested some university heads and professors to

> join internet fora. Today, Dr Radhakant Mishra, who became HOD of

> Jyotisha Dept as well as of Faculty last year in KSD Sanskrit

> University, also agreed to devote some time in these fora.

>

> Some senior Jyotishis & c from national leadership of Rashtriya

> Svayamsevaka Samgha are soon joining these fora to take care of Mr Sunil

> Bhattacharjya & c. They cannot be abused away, they know how to deal with

> abusers and liars.

>

> -VJ

> ====================== ==

> , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@>

> wrote:

> >

> > To Rohini Ji & c,

> >

> > Mr Sunil Ji says " If my memory serves me right even the Vishnu purana

> > also gives... " .

> >

> > I had provided the website address of Mahirishi Institute of

> management

> > (http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/ <http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/>

> )

> > where all these debated texts are available. Why Sunil Ji relies on

> his

> > fallible memory instead of consulting the texts ? Neither Vishnu

> Purana

> > (or any other text) says Kaliyuga to be of 4800 years, nor Vayu Purana

> > says what he wrongly quotes. I possess many Puranas in my room, and

> many

> > more in electric form downloaded from reliable sites, but I do not

> > possess Vayu Purana at present, but I requested Dr Girija Shankar

> > Shastri, the foremost astrologer of Allahabad and HOD of sankrit

> there,

> > to scan Vayu purana. He did so and reported that Vayu Purana does not

> > support what Sunil ji claims.

> >

> > Dr Girija Shankar Shastri has edited and published many rare Sanskrit

> > manuscripts of Jyotisha and is invited by many universities as an

> expert

> > in PhD interviews (recently, he was a member of an expert committee

> > constituted by KSD Sanskrit University for interviewing those

> candidates

> > who were already PhD and were applicant for major research Project of

> > UGC, I was also a member there). Dr Girija Shankar Shastri is a busy

> > person, and not very deft in handling computers, but has agreed to

> join

> > this group. I hope Sunil Ji will will not abuse him in the manner he

> > does me, otherwise he may face libel suits, because many judges and

> > advocates of Allahabad are supportes and disciples of Dr Girija

> Shankar

> > Shastri due to erudition of the latter. A monk can neglect to file a

> > libel suit, but others may do. Mr Sunil should understand the meaning

> of

> > " erudite gentleman " . Mr Sunil is refuting the evidence of so many

> > Puranas & c sent by me and is refusing to cite verses which he wrongly

> > quotes.

> >

> > I have requested the General Secretary of Akhila Bhaaratiya Vidvat

> > Parishada (of Varanasi) to join these forums to see how Hindu

> scriptures

> > are being misquoted in astrological fora ; this person is also the

> > member of national executive of RSS and is a former weditor of Vishva

> > Panchanga of BHU, and is a firebrand opponent of fall falsehoods, and

> > has agreed to spend some time in these fora.

> >

> > If needed, I will request other reputed scholars of India to see the

> > state of things in internet fora. Mr Sunil is heading towards greater

> > troubles if he sticks to falsehood and abuses.

> >

> > -VJ

> > =================== ===

> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini,

> > >

> > > Sometime back I suggested to Mr. Vinay Jha to read the Vayu Purana

> as

> > according to me the Vayu purana clearly defines what are the Divya

> > varsha and the Manushya varsha and that purana also gives the example

> > that 2700 Divya varsha (Sidereal Solar year) is equal to 3030 Sidereal

> > Lunar calendar, so that there would not be any confusion. If my memory

> > serves me right even the Vishnu purana also gives an example to

> > > show that the spam of Kali yuga is 48000 (360,000 / 75 = 4800)

> years,

> > > in human calculations.

> > >

> > > Then all of a sudden, even before he could read the Vayu purana on

> > that topic, he attacked me on the subject of the span of yuga again.

> > Instead of trying to sort out the issue he tried to show

> one-up-manship

> > and I have to will-nilly try to project what is the truth.

> > >

> > > I have already said more than once that

> > > let us agree to disagree. Let him say that he agrees to disagree and

> > > then this exchange automatically comes to an end. But I doubt if an

> > > egoist like him can agree to disagree and leave the topic. He thinks

> > that by hook or crook he can trounce me.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@

> > > Re: Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, MrVinay

> > Jha.

> > >

> > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:16 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Dada,

> > >

> > > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual ways!

> > >

> > > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time to

> time

> > and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> > >

> > > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from

> BVRaman's

> > astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...! ) trying to:

> > >

> > > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may

> pronounce

> > a judgment in our cyber-village?

> > >

> > > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will leave

> that

> > unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the blanks!

> Just

> > as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful, healthwise

> by

> > doctors)

> > >

> > > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something like

> that?

> > >

> > > Bhul chook leni deni!

> > >

> > > Rohini

> > >

> > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > To all,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana gives

> the

> > explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle = 2700

> > Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> > >

> > > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he is

> > avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He is

> citing

> > verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka and

> not

> > to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up some

> > wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> > >

> > > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil

> > bhattacharjya!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > To All :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha was

> > equal

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and

> refuses

> > to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him verses

> from

> > all

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he

> hibernated

> > for

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed with new

> > lies

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and I

> sent

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive liar,

> after

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods,

> feigning

> > to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me " an

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince

> > everyone

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly, and

> is

> > too

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > haughty to admit his errors.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana, which

> says

> > :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa chaiva-asuradvishaa

> > m " (Amsha- vi,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya day-night /

> > (and)

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

> > (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one chaturyuga..

> . "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word because Mr

> > Sunil

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear

> verdict

> > and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my " invention !

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from Mahabharata

> > (khanda

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means days

> and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17 says

> > " Daive

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah , ahastatrodagayanam

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee

> varsham "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here varsha

> is

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from preceding two

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is divided

> thus

> > :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine night " .

> MBh

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year : see

> verse

> > 15

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

> > maanushalaukika

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (but not in devaloka). "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

> > Jyotisha

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Siddhantas :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar years

> for

> > a

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000 and

> > Earth's

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in

> Suryasiddhanta,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day count in

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of Suryasiddhanta) .

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

> > Mahabharata

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which 4320000

> normal

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see verses

> 5-6)

> > and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i, verse

> > 10).

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta

> all

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and not

> > 43200000

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts. His

> > stand

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta,

> Aryabhatiya

> > and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vishnu

> > Dharmottara

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga is of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000 divine

> > years.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar " years

> ?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse

> direction

> > like

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say that

> > 360

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one divya

> year

> > and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga).

> > Exactly

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3,

> verses

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have

> > lengths

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of yugas is

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of

> > Satyuga

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya " years

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the sequence of

> > four

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even schoolboys

> do

> > not

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

> > drinking,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken

> daily.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all brothers.

> > Then

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted several

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig Veda it

> is

> > said

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse

> where

> > it

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he missed the

> > most

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all 49

> > Marutas

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be humans,

> > born

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic

> times,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why Sunil

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ? Rgveda

> never

> > said

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He should

> cite

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures without a

> > goblet

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic

> Sanskrit

> > and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should keep away

> > from

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are needed

> > by

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every fool may

> > pose

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of context.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after which he

> > went

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences, but

> > after

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing that

> > members

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this

> connection,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also cited

> > verses

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > from Matsya Purana :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > <<<

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A century

> of

> > men

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years make

> one

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

> > Thousand

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in Verses18-19

> > of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Linga Purana cited below)

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >>>

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien. Let us

> > agree

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu purana

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (57.17) " .

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that

> Divyavarsha

> > is

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him

> to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as shown

> > below,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana,

> which

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details

> > than

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24, ch-5)

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > verse-25, ch-5)

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which is

> > one

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa "

> while

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB says

> it

> > is

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him,

> > hence

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined in

> > same

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and

> > dakshina

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > make one year

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various

> types

> > of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

> > different

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one

> > human

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said

> that

> > " 30

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language is

> copy

> > of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya samvatsara " .

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana

> > about

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much (poorva-bhaaga

> > said by

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Vaayu) :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas, verse

> > 61-62

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on

> the

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure of

> > year

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides day

> > and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and year are

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in

> the

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya varsha

> to

> > be

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact

> replica

> > of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Matsya Purana.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Verse-7 says :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of

> > gods) "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga.

> Verses

> > 15-

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam)

> > varshas

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the

> ratio

> > is

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 852000 divya varshas =

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha " (verse

> > 15-16) ;

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka says

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day

> of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of

> gods.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are

> one

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Varsha of Gods "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam " , ie,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya

> > year

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (of 360 human years) "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane

> chaahanee

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

> > dakshinaayana

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are called

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (maanusha-loka) .

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his

> > abusive

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood

> to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There are some

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal to one

> > solar

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil makes a

> > mess

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due to his

> > lack

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in indological

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts posing

> as

> > an

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > -Vinay Jha

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > ============ ========= == ===

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

July 18, 2009

That is wonderful news, Vinay ji!

This is the most optimum forum for them to experience astrology on internet!

I do hope that enthralled by their experience and our hospitality here in this

protected forum where reading-requests are not allowed to overwhelm, they would

next visit some of the other fora also where such is not the case! The

Astrological Emergency Rooms (ERs)?

Even the great professors and doctors -- who comprise the faculty of The Lofty

Mayo Clinic, for instance -- examine and treat patients -- daily! What else is

Medicine here for?

We await their arrival and readings.

RR

, " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> To Rohini ji & c,

>

> It is clear that Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya does not care for scriptures and

> believes false quotations will help him to establish a false concept as

> true. Hence, I have requested some university heads and professors to

> join internet fora. Today, Dr Radhakant Mishra, who became HOD of

> Jyotisha Dept as well as of Faculty last year in KSD Sanskrit

> University, also agreed to devote some time in these fora.

>

> Some senior Jyotishis & c from national leadership of Rashtriya

> Svayamsevaka Samgha are soon joining these fora to take care of Mr Sunil

> Bhattacharjya & c. They cannot be abused away, they know how to deal with

> abusers and liars.

>

> -VJ

> ====================== ==

> , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@>

> wrote:

> >

> > To Rohini Ji & c,

> >

> > Mr Sunil Ji says " If my memory serves me right even the Vishnu purana

> > also gives... " .

> >

> > I had provided the website address of Mahirishi Institute of

> management

> > (http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/ <http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/>

> )

> > where all these debated texts are available. Why Sunil Ji relies on

> his

> > fallible memory instead of consulting the texts ? Neither Vishnu

> Purana

> > (or any other text) says Kaliyuga to be of 4800 years, nor Vayu Purana

> > says what he wrongly quotes. I possess many Puranas in my room, and

> many

> > more in electric form downloaded from reliable sites, but I do not

> > possess Vayu Purana at present, but I requested Dr Girija Shankar

> > Shastri, the foremost astrologer of Allahabad and HOD of sankrit

> there,

> > to scan Vayu purana. He did so and reported that Vayu Purana does not

> > support what Sunil ji claims.

> >

> > Dr Girija Shankar Shastri has edited and published many rare Sanskrit

> > manuscripts of Jyotisha and is invited by many universities as an

> expert

> > in PhD interviews (recently, he was a member of an expert committee

> > constituted by KSD Sanskrit University for interviewing those

> candidates

> > who were already PhD and were applicant for major research Project of

> > UGC, I was also a member there). Dr Girija Shankar Shastri is a busy

> > person, and not very deft in handling computers, but has agreed to

> join

> > this group. I hope Sunil Ji will will not abuse him in the manner he

> > does me, otherwise he may face libel suits, because many judges and

> > advocates of Allahabad are supportes and disciples of Dr Girija

> Shankar

> > Shastri due to erudition of the latter. A monk can neglect to file a

> > libel suit, but others may do. Mr Sunil should understand the meaning

> of

> > " erudite gentleman " . Mr Sunil is refuting the evidence of so many

> > Puranas & c sent by me and is refusing to cite verses which he wrongly

> > quotes.

> >

> > I have requested the General Secretary of Akhila Bhaaratiya Vidvat

> > Parishada (of Varanasi) to join these forums to see how Hindu

> scriptures

> > are being misquoted in astrological fora ; this person is also the

> > member of national executive of RSS and is a former weditor of Vishva

> > Panchanga of BHU, and is a firebrand opponent of fall falsehoods, and

> > has agreed to spend some time in these fora.

> >

> > If needed, I will request other reputed scholars of India to see the

> > state of things in internet fora. Mr Sunil is heading towards greater

> > troubles if he sticks to falsehood and abuses.

> >

> > -VJ

> > =================== ===

> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini,

> > >

> > > Sometime back I suggested to Mr. Vinay Jha to read the Vayu Purana

> as

> > according to me the Vayu purana clearly defines what are the Divya

> > varsha and the Manushya varsha and that purana also gives the example

> > that 2700 Divya varsha (Sidereal Solar year) is equal to 3030 Sidereal

> > Lunar calendar, so that there would not be any confusion. If my memory

> > serves me right even the Vishnu purana also gives an example to

> > > show that the spam of Kali yuga is 48000 (360,000 / 75 = 4800)

> years,

> > > in human calculations.

> > >

> > > Then all of a sudden, even before he could read the Vayu purana on

> > that topic, he attacked me on the subject of the span of yuga again.

> > Instead of trying to sort out the issue he tried to show

> one-up-manship

> > and I have to will-nilly try to project what is the truth.

> > >

> > > I have already said more than once that

> > > let us agree to disagree. Let him say that he agrees to disagree and

> > > then this exchange automatically comes to an end. But I doubt if an

> > > egoist like him can agree to disagree and leave the topic. He thinks

> > that by hook or crook he can trounce me.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@

> > > Re: Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, MrVinay

> > Jha.

> > >

> > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:16 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Dada,

> > >

> > > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual ways!

> > >

> > > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time to

> time

> > and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> > >

> > > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from

> BVRaman's

> > astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...! ) trying to:

> > >

> > > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may

> pronounce

> > a judgment in our cyber-village?

> > >

> > > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will leave

> that

> > unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the blanks!

> Just

> > as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful, healthwise

> by

> > doctors)

> > >

> > > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something like

> that?

> > >

> > > Bhul chook leni deni!

> > >

> > > Rohini

> > >

> > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > To all,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana gives

> the

> > explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle = 2700

> > Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> > >

> > > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he is

> > avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He is

> citing

> > verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka and

> not

> > to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up some

> > wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> > >

> > > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil

> > bhattacharjya!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > To All :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha was

> > equal

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and

> refuses

> > to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him verses

> from

> > all

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he

> hibernated

> > for

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed with new

> > lies

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and I

> sent

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive liar,

> after

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods,

> feigning

> > to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me " an

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince

> > everyone

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly, and

> is

> > too

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > haughty to admit his errors.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana, which

> says

> > :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa chaiva-asuradvishaa

> > m " (Amsha- vi,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya day-night /

> > (and)

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

> > (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one chaturyuga..

> . "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word because Mr

> > Sunil

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear

> verdict

> > and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my " invention !

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from Mahabharata

> > (khanda

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means days

> and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17 says

> > " Daive

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah , ahastatrodagayanam

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee

> varsham "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here varsha

> is

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from preceding two

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is divided

> thus

> > :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine night " .

> MBh

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year : see

> verse

> > 15

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

> > maanushalaukika

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (but not in devaloka). "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

> > Jyotisha

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Siddhantas :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar years

> for

> > a

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000 and

> > Earth's

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in

> Suryasiddhanta,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day count in

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of Suryasiddhanta) .

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

> > Mahabharata

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which 4320000

> normal

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see verses

> 5-6)

> > and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i, verse

> > 10).

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta

> all

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and not

> > 43200000

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts. His

> > stand

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta,

> Aryabhatiya

> > and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vishnu

> > Dharmottara

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga is of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000 divine

> > years.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar " years

> ?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse

> direction

> > like

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say that

> > 360

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one divya

> year

> > and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga).

> > Exactly

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3,

> verses

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have

> > lengths

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of yugas is

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of

> > Satyuga

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya " years

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the sequence of

> > four

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even schoolboys

> do

> > not

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

> > drinking,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken

> daily.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all brothers.

> > Then

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted several

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig Veda it

> is

> > said

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse

> where

> > it

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he missed the

> > most

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all 49

> > Marutas

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be humans,

> > born

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic

> times,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why Sunil

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ? Rgveda

> never

> > said

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He should

> cite

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures without a

> > goblet

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic

> Sanskrit

> > and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should keep away

> > from

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are needed

> > by

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every fool may

> > pose

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of context.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after which he

> > went

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences, but

> > after

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing that

> > members

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this

> connection,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also cited

> > verses

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > from Matsya Purana :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > <<<

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A century

> of

> > men

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years make

> one

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

> > Thousand

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in Verses18-19

> > of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Linga Purana cited below)

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >>>

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien. Let us

> > agree

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu purana

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (57.17) " .

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that

> Divyavarsha

> > is

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him

> to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as shown

> > below,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana,

> which

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details

> > than

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24, ch-5)

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > verse-25, ch-5)

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which is

> > one

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa "

> while

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB says

> it

> > is

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him,

> > hence

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined in

> > same

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and

> > dakshina

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > make one year

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various

> types

> > of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

> > different

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one

> > human

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said

> that

> > " 30

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language is

> copy

> > of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya samvatsara " .

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana

> > about

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much (poorva-bhaaga

> > said by

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Vaayu) :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas, verse

> > 61-62

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on

> the

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure of

> > year

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides day

> > and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and year are

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in

> the

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya varsha

> to

> > be

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact

> replica

> > of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Matsya Purana.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Verse-7 says :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of

> > gods) "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga.

> Verses

> > 15-

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam)

> > varshas

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the

> ratio

> > is

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 852000 divya varshas =

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha " (verse

> > 15-16) ;

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka says

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day

> of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of

> gods.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are

> one

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Varsha of Gods "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam " , ie,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya

> > year

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (of 360 human years) "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane

> chaahanee

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

> > dakshinaayana

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are called

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (maanusha-loka) .

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his

> > abusive

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood

> to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There are some

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal to one

> > solar

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil makes a

> > mess

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due to his

> > lack

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in indological

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts posing

> as

> > an

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > -Vinay Jha

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > ============ ========= == ===

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

July 18, 2009

, " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini ji,

>

> who is the panchayat here ants like you?.........when 2 elephants are

at

> logerheads what can the ants do?Iam also leaving the answer to the

> giants because i am helpless(like many).

>

> I am just unable to understand with my little brain what does it

> serve?Does it serve GOD?again i have my own little doubts.....

>

> Even if it is proved that one of them is right, what does it

> mean.......GOD KNOWS!!!

>

> REGARDS,

>

> gopi.

>

> , " Rohiniranjan " jyotish_vani@

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Dada,

> >

> > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual ways!

> >

> > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time to

time

> and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> >

> > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from

BVRaman's

> astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...!) trying to:

> >

> > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may

pronounce

> a judgment in our cyber-village?

> >

> > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will leave

that

> unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the blanks!

Just

> as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful, healthwise

by

> doctors)

> >

> > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something like

that?

> >

> > Bhul chook leni deni!

> >

> > Rohini

> >

> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote:

> > >

> > > To all,

> > >

> > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana gives

the

> explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle = 2700

> Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he is

> avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> > >

> > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He is

citing

> verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka and

not

> to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up some

> wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> > >

> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > >

> > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@

> > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil

> bhattacharjya!

> > >

> > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> > >

> > > To All :

> > >

> > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha was

> equal

> > >

> > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and

refuses

> to

> > >

> > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him verses

from

> all

> > >

> > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he

hibernated

> for

> > >

> > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed with new

> lies

> > >

> > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and I

sent

> > >

> > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive liar,

after

> > >

> > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods,

feigning

> to

> > >

> > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me " an

> > >

> > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince

everyone

> > >

> > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly, and

is

> too

> > >

> > > haughty to admit his errors.

> > >

> > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana, which

says

> :

> > >

> > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

> > >

> > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa chaiva-asuradvishaa

> m " (Amsha- vi,

> > >

> > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> > >

> > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya day-night /

> (and)

> > >

> > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

> (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> > >

> > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one chaturyuga..

.. "

> > >

> > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word because Mr

> Sunil

> > >

> > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear

verdict

> and

> > >

> > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my " invention !

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from Mahabharata

> (khanda

> > >

> > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> > >

> > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means days

and

> > >

> > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17 says

> " Daive

> > >

> > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah , ahastatrodagayanam

> > >

> > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee

varsham "

> > >

> > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here varsha

is

> > >

> > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from preceding two

> > >

> > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is divided

thus

> :

> > >

> > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine night " .

MBh

> > >

> > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year : see

verse

> 15

> > >

> > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

> maanushalaukika

> > >

> > > (but not in devaloka). "

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

> Jyotisha

> > >

> > > Siddhantas :

> > >

> > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar years

for

> a

> > >

> > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa of

> > >

> > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000 and

> Earth's

> > >

> > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in

Suryasiddhanta,

> > >

> > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day count in

> > >

> > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of Suryasiddhanta) .

> > >

> > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

> Mahabharata

> > >

> > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which 4320000

normal

> > >

> > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see verses

5-6)

> and

> > >

> > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i, verse

> 10).

> > >

> > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta

all

> > >

> > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and not

> 43200000

> > >

> > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts. His

> stand

> > >

> > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta,

Aryabhatiya

> and

> > >

> > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vishnu

> Dharmottara

> > >

> > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga is of

> > >

> > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000 divine

> years.

> > >

> > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar " years ?

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse

direction

> like

> > >

> > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> > >

> > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say that

> 360

> > >

> > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one divya

year

> and

> > >

> > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga).

> Exactly

> > >

> > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3,

verses

> > >

> > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have

> lengths

> > >

> > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of yugas is

> > >

> > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of

> Satyuga

> > >

> > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya " years

> > >

> > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the sequence of

> four

> > >

> > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even schoolboys

do

> not

> > >

> > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

> drinking,

> > >

> > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken

daily.

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> > >

> > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all brothers.

> Then

> > >

> > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted several

> > >

> > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig Veda it

is

> said

> > >

> > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse

where

> it

> > >

> > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he missed the

> most

> > >

> > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

> > >

> > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all 49

> Marutas

> > >

> > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be humans,

> born

> > >

> > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic

times,

> > >

> > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why Sunil

> > >

> > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ? Rgveda

never

> said

> > >

> > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He should

cite

> > >

> > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures without a

> goblet

> > >

> > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic

Sanskrit

> and

> > >

> > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should keep away

> from

> > >

> > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are needed

> by

> > >

> > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every fool may

> pose

> > >

> > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of context.

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after which he

> went

> > >

> > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences, but

> after

> > >

> > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing that

> members

> > >

> > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this

connection,

> > >

> > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also cited

> verses

> > >

> > > from Matsya Purana :

> > >

> > > <<<

> > >

> > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> > >

> > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A century

of

> men

> > >

> > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years make

one

> > >

> > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

> Thousand

> > >

> > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in Verses18-19

of

> > >

> > > Linga Purana cited below)

> > >

> > > >>>

> > >

> > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien. Let us

> agree

> > >

> > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu purana

> > >

> > > (57.17) " .

> > >

> > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that

Divyavarsha

> is

> > >

> > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

> > >

> > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him

to

> > >

> > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as shown

> below,

> > >

> > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

> > >

> > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana,

which

> > >

> > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details

> than

> > >

> > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> > >

> > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> > >

> > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24, ch-5)

> > >

> > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half of

> > >

> > > verse-25, ch-5)

> > >

> > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas

> > >

> > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which is

> one

> > >

> > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa "

while

> > >

> > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> > >

> > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana,

> > >

> > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB says

it

> is

> > >

> > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him,

hence

> > >

> > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> > >

> > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined in

> same

> > >

> > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> > >

> > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> > >

> > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> > >

> > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and

> dakshina

> > >

> > > make one year

> > >

> > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various

types

> of

> > >

> > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

> different

> > >

> > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one

> human

> > >

> > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said

that

> " 30

> > >

> > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language is

copy

> of

> > >

> > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

> > >

> > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

> > >

> > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

> > >

> > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> > >

> > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

> > >

> > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya samvatsara " .

> > >

> > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana

> about

> > >

> > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much (poorva-bhaaga

> said by

> > >

> > > Vaayu) :

> > >

> > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas, verse

> 61-62

> > >

> > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in

> > >

> > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

> > >

> > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on

the

> > >

> > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure of

> year

> > >

> > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides day

> and

> > >

> > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and year are

> > >

> > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> > >

> > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in

the

> > >

> > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya varsha

to

> be

> > >

> > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact

replica

> of

> > >

> > > Matsya Purana.

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya :

> > >

> > > Verse-7 says :

> > >

> > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of

> gods) "

> > >

> > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga.

Verses

> 15-

> > >

> > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam)

> varshas

> > >

> > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the ratio

is

> > >

> > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> > >

> > > 852000 divya varshas =

> > >

> > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

> > >

> > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha " (verse

> 15-16) ;

> > >

> > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> > >

> > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

> > >

> > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

> > >

> > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

> > >

> > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka says

> > >

> > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

> > >

> > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day

of

> > >

> > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of

gods.

> > >

> > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> > >

> > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> > >

> > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

> > >

> > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are one

> > >

> > > Varsha of Gods "

> > >

> > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam " , ie,

> > >

> > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya

> year

> > >

> > > (of 360 human years) "

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane

chaahanee

> > >

> > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> > >

> > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

> dakshinaayana

> > >

> > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are called

> > >

> > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

> > >

> > > (maanusha-loka) .

> > >

> > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his

> abusive

> > >

> > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood

to

> > >

> > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There are some

> > >

> > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal to one

> solar

> > >

> > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

> > >

> > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil makes a

> mess

> > >

> > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due to his

> lack

> > >

> > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in indological

> > >

> > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts posing

as

> an

> > >

> > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

> > >

> > > -Vinay Jha

> > >

> > > ============ ========= == ===

> > >

July 18, 2009

When everything comes to a standstill, Gopi-ji and we are at the end of a rope

as the expression goes, there is only one option that remains! Giving up! And

that is when SHE comes gushing to collect your pieces all of which belong to HER

really and since DIVINITY is genderless,, exclusively to HER I suppose!

That was what my younger brother was trying to say I am sure -- but went

speechless as you may have noticed!

RR

, " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini ji,

>

> who is the panchayat here ants like you?.........when 2 elephants are at

> logerheads what can the ants do?Iam also leaving the answer to the

> giants because i am helpless(like many).

>

> I am just unable to understand with my little brain what does it

> serve?Does it serve GOD?again i have my own little doubts.....

>

> Even if it is proved that one of them is right, what does it

> mean.......GOD KNOWS!!!

>

> REGARDS,

>

> gopi.

>

> , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Dada,

> >

> > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual ways!

> >

> > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time to time

> and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> >

> > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from BVRaman's

> astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...!) trying to:

> >

> > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may pronounce

> a judgment in our cyber-village?

> >

> > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will leave that

> unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the blanks! Just

> as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful, healthwise by

> doctors)

> >

> > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something like that?

> >

> > Bhul chook leni deni!

> >

> > Rohini

> >

> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote:

> > >

> > > To all,

> > >

> > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana gives the

> explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle = 2700

> Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he is

> avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> > >

> > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He is citing

> verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka and not

> to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up some

> wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> > >

> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > >

> > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@

> > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil

> bhattacharjya!

> > >

> > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> > >

> > > To All :

> > >

> > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha was

> equal

> > >

> > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and refuses

> to

> > >

> > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him verses from

> all

> > >

> > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he hibernated

> for

> > >

> > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed with new

> lies

> > >

> > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and I sent

> > >

> > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive liar, after

> > >

> > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods, feigning

> to

> > >

> > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me " an

> > >

> > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince everyone

> > >

> > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly, and is

> too

> > >

> > > haughty to admit his errors.

> > >

> > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana, which says

> :

> > >

> > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

> > >

> > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa chaiva-asuradvishaa

> m " (Amsha- vi,

> > >

> > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> > >

> > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya day-night /

> (and)

> > >

> > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

> (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> > >

> > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one chaturyuga.. . "

> > >

> > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word because Mr

> Sunil

> > >

> > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear verdict

> and

> > >

> > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my " invention !

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from Mahabharata

> (khanda

> > >

> > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> > >

> > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means days and

> > >

> > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17 says

> " Daive

> > >

> > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah , ahastatrodagayanam

> > >

> > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee varsham "

> > >

> > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here varsha is

> > >

> > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from preceding two

> > >

> > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is divided thus

> :

> > >

> > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine night " . MBh

> > >

> > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year : see verse

> 15

> > >

> > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

> maanushalaukika

> > >

> > > (but not in devaloka). "

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

> Jyotisha

> > >

> > > Siddhantas :

> > >

> > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar years for

> a

> > >

> > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa of

> > >

> > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000 and

> Earth's

> > >

> > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in Suryasiddhanta,

> > >

> > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day count in

> > >

> > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of Suryasiddhanta) .

> > >

> > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

> Mahabharata

> > >

> > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which 4320000 normal

> > >

> > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see verses 5-6)

> and

> > >

> > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i, verse

> 10).

> > >

> > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta all

> > >

> > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and not

> 43200000

> > >

> > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts. His

> stand

> > >

> > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya

> and

> > >

> > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vishnu

> Dharmottara

> > >

> > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga is of

> > >

> > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000 divine

> years.

> > >

> > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar " years ?

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse direction

> like

> > >

> > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> > >

> > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say that

> 360

> > >

> > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one divya year

> and

> > >

> > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga).

> Exactly

> > >

> > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3, verses

> > >

> > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have

> lengths

> > >

> > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of yugas is

> > >

> > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of

> Satyuga

> > >

> > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya " years

> > >

> > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the sequence of

> four

> > >

> > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even schoolboys do

> not

> > >

> > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

> drinking,

> > >

> > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken daily.

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> > >

> > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all brothers.

> Then

> > >

> > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted several

> > >

> > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig Veda it is

> said

> > >

> > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse where

> it

> > >

> > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he missed the

> most

> > >

> > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

> > >

> > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all 49

> Marutas

> > >

> > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be humans,

> born

> > >

> > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic times,

> > >

> > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why Sunil

> > >

> > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ? Rgveda never

> said

> > >

> > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He should cite

> > >

> > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures without a

> goblet

> > >

> > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic Sanskrit

> and

> > >

> > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should keep away

> from

> > >

> > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are needed

> by

> > >

> > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every fool may

> pose

> > >

> > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of context.

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after which he

> went

> > >

> > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences, but

> after

> > >

> > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing that

> members

> > >

> > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this connection,

> > >

> > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also cited

> verses

> > >

> > > from Matsya Purana :

> > >

> > > <<<

> > >

> > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> > >

> > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A century of

> men

> > >

> > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years make one

> > >

> > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

> Thousand

> > >

> > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in Verses18-19 of

> > >

> > > Linga Purana cited below)

> > >

> > > >>>

> > >

> > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien. Let us

> agree

> > >

> > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu purana

> > >

> > > (57.17) " .

> > >

> > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that Divyavarsha

> is

> > >

> > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

> > >

> > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him to

> > >

> > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as shown

> below,

> > >

> > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

> > >

> > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana, which

> > >

> > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details

> than

> > >

> > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> > >

> > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> > >

> > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24, ch-5)

> > >

> > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half of

> > >

> > > verse-25, ch-5)

> > >

> > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas

> > >

> > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which is

> one

> > >

> > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa " while

> > >

> > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> > >

> > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana,

> > >

> > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB says it

> is

> > >

> > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him, hence

> > >

> > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> > >

> > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined in

> same

> > >

> > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> > >

> > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> > >

> > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> > >

> > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and

> dakshina

> > >

> > > make one year

> > >

> > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various types

> of

> > >

> > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

> different

> > >

> > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one

> human

> > >

> > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said that

> " 30

> > >

> > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language is copy

> of

> > >

> > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

> > >

> > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

> > >

> > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

> > >

> > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> > >

> > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

> > >

> > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya samvatsara " .

> > >

> > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana

> about

> > >

> > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much (poorva-bhaaga

> said by

> > >

> > > Vaayu) :

> > >

> > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas, verse

> 61-62

> > >

> > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in

> > >

> > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

> > >

> > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on the

> > >

> > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure of

> year

> > >

> > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides day

> and

> > >

> > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and year are

> > >

> > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> > >

> > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in the

> > >

> > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya varsha to

> be

> > >

> > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact replica

> of

> > >

> > > Matsya Purana.

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya :

> > >

> > > Verse-7 says :

> > >

> > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of

> gods) "

> > >

> > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga. Verses

> 15-

> > >

> > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam)

> varshas

> > >

> > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the ratio is

> > >

> > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> > >

> > > 852000 divya varshas =

> > >

> > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

> > >

> > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha " (verse

> 15-16) ;

> > >

> > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> > >

> > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

> > >

> > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

> > >

> > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

> > >

> > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka says

> > >

> > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

> > >

> > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day of

> > >

> > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of gods.

> > >

> > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> > >

> > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> > >

> > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

> > >

> > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are one

> > >

> > > Varsha of Gods "

> > >

> > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam " , ie,

> > >

> > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya

> year

> > >

> > > (of 360 human years) "

> > >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane chaahanee

> > >

> > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> > >

> > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

> dakshinaayana

> > >

> > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are called

> > >

> > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

> > >

> > > (maanusha-loka) .

> > >

> > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his

> abusive

> > >

> > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood to

> > >

> > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There are some

> > >

> > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal to one

> solar

> > >

> > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

> > >

> > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil makes a

> mess

> > >

> > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due to his

> lack

> > >

> > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in indological

> > >

> > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts posing as

> an

> > >

> > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

> > >

> > > -Vinay Jha

> > >

> > > ============ ========= == ===

> > >

July 18, 2009

Dear Rohini,

Vinay Jha is dumbfounded by the relation 2700 Divya varsha = 3030 Manush

Varsha. It is clear that he does not have answer to that and that is why he is

running away from the crucial question. As I have the truth on my side so I

don't have to worry. In good faith I offered that let us agree to disagree but

he imagined that I was trying to escape. In fact he has closed the escape route

for himself. Now he wants to fight to finish and he has already taken the help

of some Maharathi. Now he is threatening to bring many more Maharathis on his

side.

Enjoy, Good entertainment in the offing really.

Best wishes,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16

Re: Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, MrVinay Jha.

Friday, July 17, 2009, 11:49 PM

To Rohini ji & c,

It is clear that Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya does not care for scriptures and

believes false quotations will help him to establish a false concept as

true. Hence, I have requested some university heads and professors to

join internet fora. Today, Dr Radhakant Mishra, who became HOD of

Jyotisha Dept as well as of Faculty last year in KSD Sanskrit

University, also agreed to devote some time in these fora.

Some senior Jyotishis & c from national leadership of Rashtriya

Svayamsevaka Samgha are soon joining these fora to take care of Mr Sunil

Bhattacharjya & c. They cannot be abused away, they know how to deal with

abusers and liars.

-VJ

============ ========= = ==

, " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

>

> To Rohini Ji & c,

>

> Mr Sunil Ji says " If my memory serves me right even the Vishnu purana

> also gives... " .

>

> I had provided the website address of Mahirishi Institute of

management

> (http://is1.mum. edu/vedicreserve / <http://is1.mum. edu/vedicreserve />

)

> where all these debated texts are available. Why Sunil Ji relies on

his

> fallible memory instead of consulting the texts ? Neither Vishnu

Purana

> (or any other text) says Kaliyuga to be of 4800 years, nor Vayu Purana

> says what he wrongly quotes. I possess many Puranas in my room, and

many

> more in electric form downloaded from reliable sites, but I do not

> possess Vayu Purana at present, but I requested Dr Girija Shankar

> Shastri, the foremost astrologer of Allahabad and HOD of sankrit

there,

> to scan Vayu purana. He did so and reported that Vayu Purana does not

> support what Sunil ji claims.

>

> Dr Girija Shankar Shastri has edited and published many rare Sanskrit

> manuscripts of Jyotisha and is invited by many universities as an

expert

> in PhD interviews (recently, he was a member of an expert committee

> constituted by KSD Sanskrit University for interviewing those

candidates

> who were already PhD and were applicant for major research Project of

> UGC, I was also a member there). Dr Girija Shankar Shastri is a busy

> person, and not very deft in handling computers, but has agreed to

join

> this group. I hope Sunil Ji will will not abuse him in the manner he

> does me, otherwise he may face libel suits, because many judges and

> advocates of Allahabad are supportes and disciples of Dr Girija

Shankar

> Shastri due to erudition of the latter. A monk can neglect to file a

> libel suit, but others may do. Mr Sunil should understand the meaning

of

> " erudite gentleman " . Mr Sunil is refuting the evidence of so many

> Puranas & c sent by me and is refusing to cite verses which he wrongly

> quotes.

>

> I have requested the General Secretary of Akhila Bhaaratiya Vidvat

> Parishada (of Varanasi) to join these forums to see how Hindu

scriptures

> are being misquoted in astrological fora ; this person is also the

> member of national executive of RSS and is a former weditor of Vishva

> Panchanga of BHU, and is a firebrand opponent of fall falsehoods, and

> has agreed to spend some time in these fora.

>

> If needed, I will request other reputed scholars of India to see the

> state of things in internet fora. Mr Sunil is heading towards greater

> troubles if he sticks to falsehood and abuses.

>

> -VJ

> ============ ======= ===

> , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> sunil_bhattacharjya @ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohini,

> >

> > Sometime back I suggested to Mr. Vinay Jha to read the Vayu Purana

as

> according to me the Vayu purana clearly defines what are the Divya

> varsha and the Manushya varsha and that purana also gives the example

> that 2700 Divya varsha (Sidereal Solar year) is equal to 3030 Sidereal

> Lunar calendar, so that there would not be any confusion. If my memory

> serves me right even the Vishnu purana also gives an example to

> > show that the spam of Kali yuga is 48000 (360,000 / 75 = 4800)

years,

> > in human calculations.

> >

> > Then all of a sudden, even before he could read the Vayu purana on

> that topic, he attacked me on the subject of the span of yuga again.

> Instead of trying to sort out the issue he tried to show

one-up-manship

> and I have to will-nilly try to project what is the truth.

> >

> > I have already said more than once that

> > let us agree to disagree. Let him say that he agrees to disagree and

> > then this exchange automatically comes to an end. But I doubt if an

> > egoist like him can agree to disagree and leave the topic. He thinks

> that by hook or crook he can trounce me.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> >

> > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@ wrote:

> >

> > Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@

> > Re: Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, MrVinay

> Jha.

> >

> > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:16 PM

> >

> > Dear Dada,

> >

> > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual ways!

> >

> > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time to

time

> and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> >

> > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from

BVRaman's

> astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...! ) trying to:

> >

> > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may

pronounce

> a judgment in our cyber-village?

> >

> > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will leave

that

> unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the blanks!

Just

> as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful, healthwise

by

> doctors)

> >

> > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something like

that?

> >

> > Bhul chook leni deni!

> >

> > Rohini

> >

> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > To all,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana gives

the

> explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle = 2700

> Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> >

> > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he is

> avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He is

citing

> verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka and

not

> to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up some

> wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> >

> > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil

> bhattacharjya!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > To All :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha was

> equal

> >

> > >

> >

> > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and

refuses

> to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him verses

from

> all

> >

> > >

> >

> > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he

hibernated

> for

> >

> > >

> >

> > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed with new

> lies

> >

> > >

> >

> > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and I

sent

> >

> > >

> >

> > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive liar,

after

> >

> > >

> >

> > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods,

feigning

> to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me " an

> >

> > >

> >

> > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince

> everyone

> >

> > >

> >

> > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly, and

is

> too

> >

> > >

> >

> > > haughty to admit his errors.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana, which

says

> :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa chaiva-asuradvishaa

> m " (Amsha- vi,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya day-night /

> (and)

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

> (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one chaturyuga..

.. "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word because Mr

> Sunil

> >

> > >

> >

> > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear

verdict

> and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my " invention !

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from Mahabharata

> (khanda

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means days

and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17 says

> " Daive

> >

> > >

> >

> > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah , ahastatrodagayanam

> >

> > >

> >

> > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee

varsham "

> >

> > >

> >

> > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here varsha

is

> >

> > >

> >

> > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from preceding two

> >

> > >

> >

> > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is divided

thus

> :

> >

> > >

> >

> > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine night " .

MBh

> >

> > >

> >

> > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year : see

verse

> 15

> >

> > >

> >

> > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

> maanushalaukika

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (but not in devaloka). "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

> Jyotisha

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Siddhantas :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar years

for

> a

> >

> > >

> >

> > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000 and

> Earth's

> >

> > >

> >

> > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in

Suryasiddhanta,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day count in

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of Suryasiddhanta) .

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

> Mahabharata

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which 4320000

normal

> >

> > >

> >

> > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see verses

5-6)

> and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i, verse

> 10).

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta

all

> >

> > >

> >

> > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and not

> 43200000

> >

> > >

> >

> > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts. His

> stand

> >

> > >

> >

> > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta,

Aryabhatiya

> and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vishnu

> Dharmottara

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga is of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000 divine

> years.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar " years

?

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse

direction

> like

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say that

> 360

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one divya

year

> and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga).

> Exactly

> >

> > >

> >

> > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3,

verses

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have

> lengths

> >

> > >

> >

> > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of yugas is

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of

> Satyuga

> >

> > >

> >

> > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya " years

> >

> > >

> >

> > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the sequence of

> four

> >

> > >

> >

> > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even schoolboys

do

> not

> >

> > >

> >

> > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

> drinking,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken

daily.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all brothers.

> Then

> >

> > >

> >

> > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted several

> >

> > >

> >

> > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig Veda it

is

> said

> >

> > >

> >

> > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse

where

> it

> >

> > >

> >

> > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he missed the

> most

> >

> > >

> >

> > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all 49

> Marutas

> >

> > >

> >

> > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be humans,

> born

> >

> > >

> >

> > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic

times,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why Sunil

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ? Rgveda

never

> said

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He should

cite

> >

> > >

> >

> > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures without a

> goblet

> >

> > >

> >

> > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic

Sanskrit

> and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should keep away

> from

> >

> > >

> >

> > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are needed

> by

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every fool may

> pose

> >

> > >

> >

> > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of context.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after which he

> went

> >

> > >

> >

> > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences, but

> after

> >

> > >

> >

> > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing that

> members

> >

> > >

> >

> > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this

connection,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also cited

> verses

> >

> > >

> >

> > > from Matsya Purana :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > <<<

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A century

of

> men

> >

> > >

> >

> > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years make

one

> >

> > >

> >

> > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

> Thousand

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in Verses18-19

> of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Linga Purana cited below)

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >>>

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien. Let us

> agree

> >

> > >

> >

> > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu purana

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (57.17) " .

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that

Divyavarsha

> is

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him

to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as shown

> below,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana,

which

> >

> > >

> >

> > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details

> than

> >

> > >

> >

> > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24, ch-5)

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > verse-25, ch-5)

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which is

> one

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa "

while

> >

> > >

> >

> > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB says

it

> is

> >

> > >

> >

> > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him,

> hence

> >

> > >

> >

> > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined in

> same

> >

> > >

> >

> > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and

> dakshina

> >

> > >

> >

> > > make one year

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various

types

> of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

> different

> >

> > >

> >

> > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one

> human

> >

> > >

> >

> > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said

that

> " 30

> >

> > >

> >

> > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language is

copy

> of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

> >

> > >

> >

> > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya samvatsara " .

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana

> about

> >

> > >

> >

> > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much (poorva-bhaaga

> said by

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Vaayu) :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas, verse

> 61-62

> >

> > >

> >

> > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in

> >

> > >

> >

> > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on

the

> >

> > >

> >

> > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure of

> year

> >

> > >

> >

> > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides day

> and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and year are

> >

> > >

> >

> > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in

the

> >

> > >

> >

> > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya varsha

to

> be

> >

> > >

> >

> > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact

replica

> of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Matsya Purana.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Verse-7 says :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of

> gods) "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga.

Verses

> 15-

> >

> > >

> >

> > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam)

> varshas

> >

> > >

> >

> > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the

ratio

> is

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 852000 divya varshas =

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

> >

> > >

> >

> > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha " (verse

> 15-16) ;

> >

> > >

> >

> > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

> >

> > >

> >

> > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

> >

> > >

> >

> > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

> >

> > >

> >

> > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka says

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day

of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of

gods.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are

one

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Varsha of Gods "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam " , ie,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya

> year

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (of 360 human years) "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane

chaahanee

> >

> > >

> >

> > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> >

> > >

> >

> > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

> dakshinaayana

> >

> > >

> >

> > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are called

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (maanusha-loka) .

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his

> abusive

> >

> > >

> >

> > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood

to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There are some

> >

> > >

> >

> > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal to one

> solar

> >

> > >

> >

> > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil makes a

> mess

> >

> > >

> >

> > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due to his

> lack

> >

> > >

> >

> > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in indological

> >

> > >

> >

> > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts posing

as

> an

> >

> > >

> >

> > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > -Vinay Jha

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > ============ ========= == ===

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

July 18, 2009

Thanks4calling younger brother Dear Rohini ji,

I was(am)not speechless by HER grace but silent since it is my

nature.What can i do when my post seem to be

edited/moderated/censored!!!!

Any way first of all there is no rope 4me.

regards

gopi.

, " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> When everything comes to a standstill, Gopi-ji and we are at the end

of a rope as the expression goes, there is only one option that remains!

Giving up! And that is when SHE comes gushing to collect your pieces all

of which belong to HER really and since DIVINITY is genderless,,

exclusively to HER I suppose!

>

> That was what my younger brother was trying to say I am sure -- but

went speechless as you may have noticed!

>

> RR

>

> , " gopi_b927 " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohini ji,

> >

> > who is the panchayat here ants like you?.........when 2 elephants

are at

> > logerheads what can the ants do?Iam also leaving the answer to the

> > giants because i am helpless(like many).

> >

> > I am just unable to understand with my little brain what does it

> > serve?Does it serve GOD?again i have my own little doubts.....

> >

> > Even if it is proved that one of them is right, what does it

> > mean.......GOD KNOWS!!!

> >

> > REGARDS,

> >

> > gopi.

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Dada,

> > >

> > > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual ways!

> > >

> > > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time to

time

> > and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> > >

> > > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from

BVRaman's

> > astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...!) trying to:

> > >

> > > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may

pronounce

> > a judgment in our cyber-village?

> > >

> > > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will leave

that

> > unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the blanks!

Just

> > as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful,

healthwise by

> > doctors)

> > >

> > > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something like

that?

> > >

> > > Bhul chook leni deni!

> > >

> > > Rohini

> > >

> > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > To all,

> > > >

> > > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana gives

the

> > explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle =

2700

> > Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> > > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he is

> > avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> > > >

> > > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He is

citing

> > verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka and

not

> > to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up some

> > wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> > > >

> > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@

> > > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil

> > bhattacharjya!

> > > >

> > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> > > >

> > > > To All :

> > > >

> > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha was

> > equal

> > > >

> > > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and

refuses

> > to

> > > >

> > > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him verses

from

> > all

> > > >

> > > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he

hibernated

> > for

> > > >

> > > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed with

new

> > lies

> > > >

> > > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and I

sent

> > > >

> > > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive liar,

after

> > > >

> > > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods,

feigning

> > to

> > > >

> > > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me " an

> > > >

> > > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince

everyone

> > > >

> > > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly, and

is

> > too

> > > >

> > > > haughty to admit his errors.

> > > >

> > > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana, which

says

> > :

> > > >

> > > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

> > > >

> > > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa chaiva-asuradvishaa

> > m " (Amsha- vi,

> > > >

> > > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> > > >

> > > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya day-night

/

> > (and)

> > > >

> > > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

> > (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> > > >

> > > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one

chaturyuga.. . "

> > > >

> > > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word because

Mr

> > Sunil

> > > >

> > > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear

verdict

> > and

> > > >

> > > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my " invention !

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from Mahabharata

> > (khanda

> > > >

> > > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> > > >

> > > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means days

and

> > > >

> > > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17 says

> > " Daive

> > > >

> > > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah ,

ahastatrodagayanam

> > > >

> > > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee

varsham "

> > > >

> > > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here

varsha is

> > > >

> > > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from preceding

two

> > > >

> > > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is divided

thus

> > :

> > > >

> > > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine night " .

MBh

> > > >

> > > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year : see

verse

> > 15

> > > >

> > > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

> > maanushalaukika

> > > >

> > > > (but not in devaloka). "

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

> > Jyotisha

> > > >

> > > > Siddhantas :

> > > >

> > > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar years

for

> > a

> > > >

> > > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa of

> > > >

> > > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000 and

> > Earth's

> > > >

> > > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in

Suryasiddhanta,

> > > >

> > > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day count

in

> > > >

> > > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of Suryasiddhanta) .

> > > >

> > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

> > Mahabharata

> > > >

> > > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which 4320000

normal

> > > >

> > > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see verses

5-6)

> > and

> > > >

> > > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i, verse

> > 10).

> > > >

> > > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta

all

> > > >

> > > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and not

> > 43200000

> > > >

> > > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts. His

> > stand

> > > >

> > > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta,

Aryabhatiya

> > and

> > > >

> > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vishnu

> > Dharmottara

> > > >

> > > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga is

of

> > > >

> > > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000 divine

> > years.

> > > >

> > > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar " years

?

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse

direction

> > like

> > > >

> > > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> > > >

> > > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say

that

> > 360

> > > >

> > > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one divya

year

> > and

> > > >

> > > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga).

> > Exactly

> > > >

> > > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3,

verses

> > > >

> > > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have

> > lengths

> > > >

> > > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of yugas

is

> > > >

> > > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of

> > Satyuga

> > > >

> > > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya "

years

> > > >

> > > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the sequence of

> > four

> > > >

> > > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even

schoolboys do

> > not

> > > >

> > > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

> > drinking,

> > > >

> > > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken

daily.

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> > > >

> > > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all

brothers.

> > Then

> > > >

> > > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted

several

> > > >

> > > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig Veda it

is

> > said

> > > >

> > > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse

where

> > it

> > > >

> > > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he missed

the

> > most

> > > >

> > > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

> > > >

> > > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all 49

> > Marutas

> > > >

> > > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be humans,

> > born

> > > >

> > > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic

times,

> > > >

> > > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why Sunil

> > > >

> > > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ? Rgveda

never

> > said

> > > >

> > > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He should

cite

> > > >

> > > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures without

a

> > goblet

> > > >

> > > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic

Sanskrit

> > and

> > > >

> > > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should keep

away

> > from

> > > >

> > > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are

needed

> > by

> > > >

> > > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every fool

may

> > pose

> > > >

> > > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of context.

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after which

he

> > went

> > > >

> > > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences, but

> > after

> > > >

> > > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing that

> > members

> > > >

> > > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this

connection,

> > > >

> > > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also

cited

> > verses

> > > >

> > > > from Matsya Purana :

> > > >

> > > > <<<

> > > >

> > > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> > > >

> > > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A

century of

> > men

> > > >

> > > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years make

one

> > > >

> > > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

> > Thousand

> > > >

> > > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in

Verses18-19 of

> > > >

> > > > Linga Purana cited below)

> > > >

> > > > >>>

> > > >

> > > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien. Let

us

> > agree

> > > >

> > > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu

purana

> > > >

> > > > (57.17) " .

> > > >

> > > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that

Divyavarsha

> > is

> > > >

> > > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

> > > >

> > > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him

to

> > > >

> > > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as

shown

> > below,

> > > >

> > > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

> > > >

> > > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana,

which

> > > >

> > > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details

> > than

> > > >

> > > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> > > >

> > > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> > > >

> > > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24,

ch-5)

> > > >

> > > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half

of

> > > >

> > > > verse-25, ch-5)

> > > >

> > > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas

> > > >

> > > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which

is

> > one

> > > >

> > > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa "

while

> > > >

> > > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> > > >

> > > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana,

> > > >

> > > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB

says it

> > is

> > > >

> > > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him,

hence

> > > >

> > > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> > > >

> > > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined

in

> > same

> > > >

> > > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> > > >

> > > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> > > >

> > > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> > > >

> > > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and

> > dakshina

> > > >

> > > > make one year

> > > >

> > > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various

types

> > of

> > > >

> > > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

> > different

> > > >

> > > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one

> > human

> > > >

> > > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said

that

> > " 30

> > > >

> > > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language is

copy

> > of

> > > >

> > > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

> > > >

> > > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

> > > >

> > > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

> > > >

> > > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> > > >

> > > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

> > > >

> > > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya

samvatsara " .

> > > >

> > > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana

> > about

> > > >

> > > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much (poorva-bhaaga

> > said by

> > > >

> > > > Vaayu) :

> > > >

> > > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas,

verse

> > 61-62

> > > >

> > > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in

> > > >

> > > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

> > > >

> > > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on

the

> > > >

> > > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure

of

> > year

> > > >

> > > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides

day

> > and

> > > >

> > > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and year

are

> > > >

> > > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> > > >

> > > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in

the

> > > >

> > > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya

varsha to

> > be

> > > >

> > > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact

replica

> > of

> > > >

> > > > Matsya Purana.

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya

:

> > > >

> > > > Verse-7 says :

> > > >

> > > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of

> > gods) "

> > > >

> > > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga.

Verses

> > 15-

> > > >

> > > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam)

> > varshas

> > > >

> > > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the

ratio is

> > > >

> > > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> > > >

> > > > 852000 divya varshas =

> > > >

> > > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

> > > >

> > > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha "

(verse

> > 15-16) ;

> > > >

> > > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> > > >

> > > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

> > > >

> > > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

> > > >

> > > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

> > > >

> > > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka

says

> > > >

> > > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

> > > >

> > > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day

of

> > > >

> > > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of

gods.

> > > >

> > > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> > > >

> > > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> > > >

> > > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

> > > >

> > > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are

one

> > > >

> > > > Varsha of Gods "

> > > >

> > > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam " ,

ie,

> > > >

> > > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya

> > year

> > > >

> > > > (of 360 human years) "

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane

chaahanee

> > > >

> > > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> > > >

> > > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

> > dakshinaayana

> > > >

> > > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are

called

> > > >

> > > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

> > > >

> > > > (maanusha-loka) .

> > > >

> > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his

> > abusive

> > > >

> > > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood

to

> > > >

> > > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There are

some

> > > >

> > > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal to

one

> > solar

> > > >

> > > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

> > > >

> > > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil makes

a

> > mess

> > > >

> > > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due to

his

> > lack

> > > >

> > > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in

indological

> > > >

> > > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts posing

as

> > an

> > > >

> > > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

> > > >

> > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > >

> > > > ============ ========= == ===

> > > >

July 18, 2009

, " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> Thanks4calling younger brother Dear Rohini ji,

>

> I was(am)not speechless by HER grace but silent since it is my

> nature.What can i do when my post seem to be

> edited/moderated/censored!!!!

>

> Any way first of all there is no rope 4me.

>

> regards

>

> gopi.

> , " Rohiniranjan " jyotish_vani@

> wrote:

> >

> > When everything comes to a standstill, Gopi-ji and we are at the end

> of a rope as the expression goes, there is only one option that

remains!

> Giving up! And that is when SHE comes gushing to collect your pieces

all

> of which belong to HER really and since DIVINITY is genderless,,

> exclusively to HER I suppose!

> >

> > That was what my younger brother was trying to say I am sure -- but

> went speechless as you may have noticed!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , " gopi_b927 " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > >

> > > who is the panchayat here ants like you?.........when 2 elephants

> are at

> > > logerheads what can the ants do?Iam also leaving the answer to the

> > > giants because i am helpless(like many).

> > >

> > > I am just unable to understand with my little brain what does it

> > > serve?Does it serve GOD?again i have my own little doubts.....

> > >

> > > Even if it is proved that one of them is right, what does it

> > > mean.......GOD KNOWS!!!

> > >

> > > REGARDS,

> > >

> > > gopi.

> > >

> > > , " Rohiniranjan "

<jyotish_vani@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Dada,

> > > >

> > > > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual ways!

> > > >

> > > > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time to

> time

> > > and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> > > >

> > > > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from

> BVRaman's

> > > astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...!) trying to:

> > > >

> > > > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may

> pronounce

> > > a judgment in our cyber-village?

> > > >

> > > > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will leave

> that

> > > unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the blanks!

> Just

> > > as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful,

> healthwise by

> > > doctors)

> > > >

> > > > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something like

> that?

> > > >

> > > > Bhul chook leni deni!

> > > >

> > > > Rohini

> > > >

> > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > > sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > To all,

> > > > >

> > > > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana

gives

> the

> > > explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle =

> 2700

> > > Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> > > > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he is

> > > avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> > > > >

> > > > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He is

> citing

> > > verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka

and

> not

> > > to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up

some

> > > wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr

Sunil

> > > bhattacharjya!

> > > > >

> > > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > To All :

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha

was

> > > equal

> > > > >

> > > > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and

> refuses

> > > to

> > > > >

> > > > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him

verses

> from

> > > all

> > > > >

> > > > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he

> hibernated

> > > for

> > > > >

> > > > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed with

> new

> > > lies

> > > > >

> > > > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and I

> sent

> > > > >

> > > > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive liar,

> after

> > > > >

> > > > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods,

> feigning

> > > to

> > > > >

> > > > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me

" an

> > > > >

> > > > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince

> everyone

> > > > >

> > > > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly,

and

> is

> > > too

> > > > >

> > > > > haughty to admit his errors.

> > > > >

> > > > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana, which

> says

> > > :

> > > > >

> > > > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

> > > > >

> > > > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa chaiva-asuradvishaa

> > > m " (Amsha- vi,

> > > > >

> > > > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> > > > >

> > > > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya

day-night

> /

> > > (and)

> > > > >

> > > > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

> > > (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> > > > >

> > > > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one

> chaturyuga.. . "

> > > > >

> > > > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word

because

> Mr

> > > Sunil

> > > > >

> > > > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear

> verdict

> > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my " invention

!

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from

Mahabharata

> > > (khanda

> > > > >

> > > > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> > > > >

> > > > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means

days

> and

> > > > >

> > > > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17

says

> > > " Daive

> > > > >

> > > > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah ,

> ahastatrodagayanam

> > > > >

> > > > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee

> varsham "

> > > > >

> > > > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here

> varsha is

> > > > >

> > > > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from preceding

> two

> > > > >

> > > > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is

divided

> thus

> > > :

> > > > >

> > > > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine

night " .

> MBh

> > > > >

> > > > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year : see

> verse

> > > 15

> > > > >

> > > > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

> > > maanushalaukika

> > > > >

> > > > > (but not in devaloka). "

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

> > > Jyotisha

> > > > >

> > > > > Siddhantas :

> > > > >

> > > > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar

years

> for

> > > a

> > > > >

> > > > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa of

> > > > >

> > > > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000

and

> > > Earth's

> > > > >

> > > > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in

> Suryasiddhanta,

> > > > >

> > > > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day count

> in

> > > > >

> > > > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of Suryasiddhanta)

..

> > > > >

> > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

> > > Mahabharata

> > > > >

> > > > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which 4320000

> normal

> > > > >

> > > > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see

verses

> 5-6)

> > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i,

verse

> > > 10).

> > > > >

> > > > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta-

siddhaanta

> all

> > > > >

> > > > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and not

> > > 43200000

> > > > >

> > > > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts.

His

> > > stand

> > > > >

> > > > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta,

> Aryabhatiya

> > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vishnu

> > > Dharmottara

> > > > >

> > > > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga is

> of

> > > > >

> > > > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000

divine

> > > years.

> > > > >

> > > > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar "

years

> ?

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse

> direction

> > > like

> > > > >

> > > > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> > > > >

> > > > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say

> that

> > > 360

> > > > >

> > > > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one divya

> year

> > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga).

> > > Exactly

> > > > >

> > > > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3,

> verses

> > > > >

> > > > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have

> > > lengths

> > > > >

> > > > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of

yugas

> is

> > > > >

> > > > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of

> > > Satyuga

> > > > >

> > > > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya "

> years

> > > > >

> > > > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the sequence

of

> > > four

> > > > >

> > > > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even

> schoolboys do

> > > not

> > > > >

> > > > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

> > > drinking,

> > > > >

> > > > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken

> daily.

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> > > > >

> > > > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all

> brothers.

> > > Then

> > > > >

> > > > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted

> several

> > > > >

> > > > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig Veda

it

> is

> > > said

> > > > >

> > > > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse

> where

> > > it

> > > > >

> > > > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he missed

> the

> > > most

> > > > >

> > > > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

> > > > >

> > > > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all

49

> > > Marutas

> > > > >

> > > > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be

humans,

> > > born

> > > > >

> > > > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic

> times,

> > > > >

> > > > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why

Sunil

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ? Rgveda

> never

> > > said

> > > > >

> > > > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He should

> cite

> > > > >

> > > > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures

without

> a

> > > goblet

> > > > >

> > > > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic

> Sanskrit

> > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should keep

> away

> > > from

> > > > >

> > > > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are

> needed

> > > by

> > > > >

> > > > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every fool

> may

> > > pose

> > > > >

> > > > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of context.

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after

which

> he

> > > went

> > > > >

> > > > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences,

but

> > > after

> > > > >

> > > > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing

that

> > > members

> > > > >

> > > > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this

> connection,

> > > > >

> > > > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also

> cited

> > > verses

> > > > >

> > > > > from Matsya Purana :

> > > > >

> > > > > <<<

> > > > >

> > > > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> > > > >

> > > > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A

> century of

> > > men

> > > > >

> > > > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years

make

> one

> > > > >

> > > > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

> > > Thousand

> > > > >

> > > > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in

> Verses18-19 of

> > > > >

> > > > > Linga Purana cited below)

> > > > >

> > > > > >>>

> > > > >

> > > > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien. Let

> us

> > > agree

> > > > >

> > > > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu

> purana

> > > > >

> > > > > (57.17) " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that

> Divyavarsha

> > > is

> > > > >

> > > > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

> > > > >

> > > > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask

him

> to

> > > > >

> > > > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as

> shown

> > > below,

> > > > >

> > > > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

> > > > >

> > > > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana,

> which

> > > > >

> > > > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more

details

> > > than

> > > > >

> > > > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> > > > >

> > > > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> > > > >

> > > > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24,

> ch-5)

> > > > >

> > > > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst

half

> of

> > > > >

> > > > > verse-25, ch-5)

> > > > >

> > > > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas

> > > > >

> > > > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans)

which

> is

> > > one

> > > > >

> > > > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa "

> while

> > > > >

> > > > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> > > > >

> > > > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana,

> > > > >

> > > > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB

> says it

> > > is

> > > > >

> > > > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him,

> hence

> > > > >

> > > > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> > > > >

> > > > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is

defined

> in

> > > same

> > > > >

> > > > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> > > > >

> > > > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> > > > >

> > > > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> > > > >

> > > > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara

and

> > > dakshina

> > > > >

> > > > > make one year

> > > > >

> > > > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various

> types

> > > of

> > > > >

> > > > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

> > > different

> > > > >

> > > > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say

one

> > > human

> > > > >

> > > > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is

said

> that

> > > " 30

> > > > >

> > > > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language is

> copy

> > > of

> > > > >

> > > > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

> > > > >

> > > > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

> > > > >

> > > > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

> > > > >

> > > > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> > > > >

> > > > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

> > > > >

> > > > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya

> samvatsara " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya

Purana

> > > about

> > > > >

> > > > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much

(poorva-bhaaga

> > > said by

> > > > >

> > > > > Vaayu) :

> > > > >

> > > > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas,

> verse

> > > 61-62

> > > > >

> > > > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in

> > > > >

> > > > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

> > > > >

> > > > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined

on

> the

> > > > >

> > > > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the

measure

> of

> > > year

> > > > >

> > > > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides

> day

> > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and year

> are

> > > > >

> > > > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> > > > >

> > > > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly

in

> the

> > > > >

> > > > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya

> varsha to

> > > be

> > > > >

> > > > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact

> replica

> > > of

> > > > >

> > > > > Matsya Purana.

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage

Pulastya

> :

> > > > >

> > > > > Verse-7 says :

> > > > >

> > > > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of

> > > gods) "

> > > > >

> > > > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga.

> Verses

> > > 15-

> > > > >

> > > > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya

(suraadinaam)

> > > varshas

> > > > >

> > > > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the

> ratio is

> > > > >

> > > > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> > > > >

> > > > > 852000 divya varshas =

> > > > >

> > > > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

> > > > >

> > > > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha "

> (verse

> > > 15-16) ;

> > > > >

> > > > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> > > > >

> > > > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

> > > > >

> > > > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

> > > > >

> > > > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

> > > > >

> > > > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka

> says

> > > > >

> > > > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

> > > > >

> > > > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as

day

> of

> > > > >

> > > > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of

> gods.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> > > > >

> > > > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> > > > >

> > > > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

> > > > >

> > > > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are

> one

> > > > >

> > > > > Varsha of Gods "

> > > > >

> > > > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam " ,

> ie,

> > > > >

> > > > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very

divya

> > > year

> > > > >

> > > > > (of 360 human years) "

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane

> chaahanee

> > > > >

> > > > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> > > > >

> > > > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

> > > dakshinaayana

> > > > >

> > > > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are

> called

> > > > >

> > > > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

> > > > >

> > > > > (maanusha-loka) .

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his

> > > abusive

> > > > >

> > > > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one

falsehood

> to

> > > > >

> > > > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There are

> some

> > > > >

> > > > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal to

> one

> > > solar

> > > > >

> > > > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil

makes

> a

> > > mess

> > > > >

> > > > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due to

> his

> > > lack

> > > > >

> > > > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in

> indological

> > > > >

> > > > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts

posing

> as

> > > an

> > > > >

> > > > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

> > > > >

> > > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > >

> > > > > ============ ========= == ===

> > > > >

July 19, 2009

No no, not referring to you Sir, but message #24163 which came quoting my

earlier posting but without any added response! Probably sent accidentally by

the poster.

The 'rope' was just an expression and not to be taken 'literally' :-)

RR

, " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927 wrote:

>

> Thanks4calling younger brother Dear Rohini ji,

>

> I was(am)not speechless by HER grace but silent since it is my

> nature.What can i do when my post seem to be

> edited/moderated/censored!!!!

>

> Any way first of all there is no rope 4me.

>

> regards

>

> gopi.

> , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@>

> wrote:

> >

> > When everything comes to a standstill, Gopi-ji and we are at the end

> of a rope as the expression goes, there is only one option that remains!

> Giving up! And that is when SHE comes gushing to collect your pieces all

> of which belong to HER really and since DIVINITY is genderless,,

> exclusively to HER I suppose!

> >

> > That was what my younger brother was trying to say I am sure -- but

> went speechless as you may have noticed!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , " gopi_b927 " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > >

> > > who is the panchayat here ants like you?.........when 2 elephants

> are at

> > > logerheads what can the ants do?Iam also leaving the answer to the

> > > giants because i am helpless(like many).

> > >

> > > I am just unable to understand with my little brain what does it

> > > serve?Does it serve GOD?again i have my own little doubts.....

> > >

> > > Even if it is proved that one of them is right, what does it

> > > mean.......GOD KNOWS!!!

> > >

> > > REGARDS,

> > >

> > > gopi.

> > >

> > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Dada,

> > > >

> > > > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual ways!

> > > >

> > > > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time to

> time

> > > and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> > > >

> > > > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from

> BVRaman's

> > > astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...!) trying to:

> > > >

> > > > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may

> pronounce

> > > a judgment in our cyber-village?

> > > >

> > > > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will leave

> that

> > > unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the blanks!

> Just

> > > as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful,

> healthwise by

> > > doctors)

> > > >

> > > > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something like

> that?

> > > >

> > > > Bhul chook leni deni!

> > > >

> > > > Rohini

> > > >

> > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > > sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > To all,

> > > > >

> > > > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana gives

> the

> > > explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle =

> 2700

> > > Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> > > > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he is

> > > avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> > > > >

> > > > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He is

> citing

> > > verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka and

> not

> > > to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up some

> > > wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil

> > > bhattacharjya!

> > > > >

> > > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > To All :

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha was

> > > equal

> > > > >

> > > > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and

> refuses

> > > to

> > > > >

> > > > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him verses

> from

> > > all

> > > > >

> > > > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he

> hibernated

> > > for

> > > > >

> > > > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed with

> new

> > > lies

> > > > >

> > > > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and I

> sent

> > > > >

> > > > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive liar,

> after

> > > > >

> > > > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods,

> feigning

> > > to

> > > > >

> > > > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me " an

> > > > >

> > > > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince

> everyone

> > > > >

> > > > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly, and

> is

> > > too

> > > > >

> > > > > haughty to admit his errors.

> > > > >

> > > > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana, which

> says

> > > :

> > > > >

> > > > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

> > > > >

> > > > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa chaiva-asuradvishaa

> > > m " (Amsha- vi,

> > > > >

> > > > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> > > > >

> > > > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya day-night

> /

> > > (and)

> > > > >

> > > > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

> > > (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> > > > >

> > > > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one

> chaturyuga.. . "

> > > > >

> > > > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word because

> Mr

> > > Sunil

> > > > >

> > > > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear

> verdict

> > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my " invention !

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from Mahabharata

> > > (khanda

> > > > >

> > > > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> > > > >

> > > > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means days

> and

> > > > >

> > > > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17 says

> > > " Daive

> > > > >

> > > > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah ,

> ahastatrodagayanam

> > > > >

> > > > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee

> varsham "

> > > > >

> > > > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here

> varsha is

> > > > >

> > > > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from preceding

> two

> > > > >

> > > > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is divided

> thus

> > > :

> > > > >

> > > > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine night " .

> MBh

> > > > >

> > > > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year : see

> verse

> > > 15

> > > > >

> > > > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

> > > maanushalaukika

> > > > >

> > > > > (but not in devaloka). "

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

> > > Jyotisha

> > > > >

> > > > > Siddhantas :

> > > > >

> > > > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar years

> for

> > > a

> > > > >

> > > > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa of

> > > > >

> > > > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000 and

> > > Earth's

> > > > >

> > > > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in

> Suryasiddhanta,

> > > > >

> > > > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day count

> in

> > > > >

> > > > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of Suryasiddhanta) .

> > > > >

> > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

> > > Mahabharata

> > > > >

> > > > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which 4320000

> normal

> > > > >

> > > > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see verses

> 5-6)

> > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i, verse

> > > 10).

> > > > >

> > > > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta

> all

> > > > >

> > > > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and not

> > > 43200000

> > > > >

> > > > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts. His

> > > stand

> > > > >

> > > > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta,

> Aryabhatiya

> > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vishnu

> > > Dharmottara

> > > > >

> > > > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga is

> of

> > > > >

> > > > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000 divine

> > > years.

> > > > >

> > > > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar " years

> ?

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse

> direction

> > > like

> > > > >

> > > > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> > > > >

> > > > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say

> that

> > > 360

> > > > >

> > > > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one divya

> year

> > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga).

> > > Exactly

> > > > >

> > > > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3,

> verses

> > > > >

> > > > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have

> > > lengths

> > > > >

> > > > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of yugas

> is

> > > > >

> > > > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of

> > > Satyuga

> > > > >

> > > > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya "

> years

> > > > >

> > > > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the sequence of

> > > four

> > > > >

> > > > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even

> schoolboys do

> > > not

> > > > >

> > > > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

> > > drinking,

> > > > >

> > > > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken

> daily.

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> > > > >

> > > > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all

> brothers.

> > > Then

> > > > >

> > > > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted

> several

> > > > >

> > > > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig Veda it

> is

> > > said

> > > > >

> > > > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse

> where

> > > it

> > > > >

> > > > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he missed

> the

> > > most

> > > > >

> > > > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

> > > > >

> > > > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all 49

> > > Marutas

> > > > >

> > > > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be humans,

> > > born

> > > > >

> > > > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic

> times,

> > > > >

> > > > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why Sunil

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ? Rgveda

> never

> > > said

> > > > >

> > > > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He should

> cite

> > > > >

> > > > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures without

> a

> > > goblet

> > > > >

> > > > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic

> Sanskrit

> > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should keep

> away

> > > from

> > > > >

> > > > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are

> needed

> > > by

> > > > >

> > > > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every fool

> may

> > > pose

> > > > >

> > > > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of context.

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after which

> he

> > > went

> > > > >

> > > > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences, but

> > > after

> > > > >

> > > > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing that

> > > members

> > > > >

> > > > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this

> connection,

> > > > >

> > > > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also

> cited

> > > verses

> > > > >

> > > > > from Matsya Purana :

> > > > >

> > > > > <<<

> > > > >

> > > > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> > > > >

> > > > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A

> century of

> > > men

> > > > >

> > > > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years make

> one

> > > > >

> > > > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

> > > Thousand

> > > > >

> > > > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in

> Verses18-19 of

> > > > >

> > > > > Linga Purana cited below)

> > > > >

> > > > > >>>

> > > > >

> > > > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien. Let

> us

> > > agree

> > > > >

> > > > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu

> purana

> > > > >

> > > > > (57.17) " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that

> Divyavarsha

> > > is

> > > > >

> > > > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

> > > > >

> > > > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him

> to

> > > > >

> > > > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as

> shown

> > > below,

> > > > >

> > > > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

> > > > >

> > > > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana,

> which

> > > > >

> > > > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details

> > > than

> > > > >

> > > > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> > > > >

> > > > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> > > > >

> > > > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24,

> ch-5)

> > > > >

> > > > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half

> of

> > > > >

> > > > > verse-25, ch-5)

> > > > >

> > > > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas

> > > > >

> > > > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which

> is

> > > one

> > > > >

> > > > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa "

> while

> > > > >

> > > > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> > > > >

> > > > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana,

> > > > >

> > > > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB

> says it

> > > is

> > > > >

> > > > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him,

> hence

> > > > >

> > > > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> > > > >

> > > > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined

> in

> > > same

> > > > >

> > > > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> > > > >

> > > > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> > > > >

> > > > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> > > > >

> > > > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and

> > > dakshina

> > > > >

> > > > > make one year

> > > > >

> > > > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various

> types

> > > of

> > > > >

> > > > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

> > > different

> > > > >

> > > > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one

> > > human

> > > > >

> > > > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said

> that

> > > " 30

> > > > >

> > > > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language is

> copy

> > > of

> > > > >

> > > > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

> > > > >

> > > > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

> > > > >

> > > > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

> > > > >

> > > > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> > > > >

> > > > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

> > > > >

> > > > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya

> samvatsara " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana

> > > about

> > > > >

> > > > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much (poorva-bhaaga

> > > said by

> > > > >

> > > > > Vaayu) :

> > > > >

> > > > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas,

> verse

> > > 61-62

> > > > >

> > > > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in

> > > > >

> > > > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

> > > > >

> > > > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on

> the

> > > > >

> > > > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure

> of

> > > year

> > > > >

> > > > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides

> day

> > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and year

> are

> > > > >

> > > > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> > > > >

> > > > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in

> the

> > > > >

> > > > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya

> varsha to

> > > be

> > > > >

> > > > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact

> replica

> > > of

> > > > >

> > > > > Matsya Purana.

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya

> :

> > > > >

> > > > > Verse-7 says :

> > > > >

> > > > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of

> > > gods) "

> > > > >

> > > > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga.

> Verses

> > > 15-

> > > > >

> > > > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam)

> > > varshas

> > > > >

> > > > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the

> ratio is

> > > > >

> > > > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> > > > >

> > > > > 852000 divya varshas =

> > > > >

> > > > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

> > > > >

> > > > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha "

> (verse

> > > 15-16) ;

> > > > >

> > > > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> > > > >

> > > > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

> > > > >

> > > > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

> > > > >

> > > > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

> > > > >

> > > > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka

> says

> > > > >

> > > > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

> > > > >

> > > > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day

> of

> > > > >

> > > > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of

> gods.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> > > > >

> > > > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> > > > >

> > > > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

> > > > >

> > > > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are

> one

> > > > >

> > > > > Varsha of Gods "

> > > > >

> > > > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam " ,

> ie,

> > > > >

> > > > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya

> > > year

> > > > >

> > > > > (of 360 human years) "

> > > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane

> chaahanee

> > > > >

> > > > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> > > > >

> > > > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

> > > dakshinaayana

> > > > >

> > > > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are

> called

> > > > >

> > > > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

> > > > >

> > > > > (maanusha-loka) .

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his

> > > abusive

> > > > >

> > > > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood

> to

> > > > >

> > > > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There are

> some

> > > > >

> > > > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal to

> one

> > > solar

> > > > >

> > > > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil makes

> a

> > > mess

> > > > >

> > > > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due to

> his

> > > lack

> > > > >

> > > > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in

> indological

> > > > >

> > > > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts posing

> as

> > > an

> > > > >

> > > > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

> > > > >

> > > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > >

> > > > > ============ ========= == ===

> > > > >

Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, MrVinay Jha.

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