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There we go again!

 

Smart people stay away from battle-fields! They become public servants or

businessmen or professors!

 

But " Soft-hearted " ants get involved through an innocent bite or two!

 

Now Ant has two burdens to carry! A Light machine gun on right shoulder and a

Bazooka on the left!

 

My shoulders are bowing down already and I do not even have a decent Kanya

navamsha rising or kanya influence in my chart as KNR reminded us all some years

ago -- based presumably on what Uttarkalamrita described for Kanya navamsha

rising! Way back when this forum was blessed by Rao Saheb's personal and direct

voice and presence!

 

I must be getting old because I reminisce more these days than rejoice!

 

Sorry for yet another NON-ASTROLOGICAL intervention!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> To Rohini Ji & c,

>

> Mr Sunil Ji says " If my memory serves me right even the Vishnu purana

> also gives... " .

>

> I had provided the website address of Mahirishi Institute of management

> (http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/ <http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/> )

> where all these debated texts are available. Why Sunil Ji relies on his

> fallible memory instead of consulting the texts ? Neither Vishnu Purana

> (or any other text) says Kaliyuga to be of 4800 years, nor Vayu Purana

> says what he wrongly quotes. I possess many Puranas in my room, and many

> more in electric form downloaded from reliable sites, but I do not

> possess Vayu Purana at present, but I requested Dr Girija Shankar

> Shastri, the foremost astrologer of Allahabad and HOD of sankrit there,

> to scan Vayu purana. He did so and reported that Vayu Purana does not

> support what Sunil ji claims.

>

> Dr Girija Shankar Shastri has edited and published many rare Sanskrit

> manuscripts of Jyotisha and is invited by many universities as an expert

> in PhD interviews (recently, he was a member of an expert committee

> constituted by KSD Sanskrit University for interviewing those candidates

> who were already PhD and were applicant for major research Project of

> UGC, I was also a member there). Dr Girija Shankar Shastri is a busy

> person, and not very deft in handling computers, but has agreed to join

> this group. I hope Sunil Ji will will not abuse him in the manner he

> does me, otherwise he may face libel suits, because many judges and

> advocates of Allahabad are supportes and disciples of Dr Girija Shankar

> Shastri due to erudition of the latter. A monk can neglect to file a

> libel suit, but others may do. Mr Sunil should understand the meaning of

> " erudite gentleman " . Mr Sunil is refuting the evidence of so many

> Puranas & c sent by me and is refusing to cite verses which he wrongly

> quotes.

>

> I have requested the General Secretary of Akhila Bhaaratiya Vidvat

> Parishada (of Varanasi) to join these forums to see how Hindu scriptures

> are being misquoted in astrological fora ; this person is also the

> member of national executive of RSS and is a former weditor of Vishva

> Panchanga of BHU, and is a firebrand opponent of fall falsehoods, and

> has agreed to spend some time in these fora.

>

> If needed, I will request other reputed scholars of India to see the

> state of things in internet fora. Mr Sunil is heading towards greater

> troubles if he sticks to falsehood and abuses.

>

> -VJ

> =================== ===

> , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> <sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohini,

> >

> > Sometime back I suggested to Mr. Vinay Jha to read the Vayu Purana as

> according to me the Vayu purana clearly defines what are the Divya

> varsha and the Manushya varsha and that purana also gives the example

> that 2700 Divya varsha (Sidereal Solar year) is equal to 3030 Sidereal

> Lunar calendar, so that there would not be any confusion. If my memory

> serves me right even the Vishnu purana also gives an example to

> > show that the spam of Kali yuga is 48000 (360,000 / 75 = 4800) years,

> > in human calculations.

> >

> > Then all of a sudden, even before he could read the Vayu purana on

> that topic, he attacked me on the subject of the span of yuga again.

> Instead of trying to sort out the issue he tried to show one-up-manship

> and I have to will-nilly try to project what is the truth.

> >

> > I have already said more than once that

> > let us agree to disagree. Let him say that he agrees to disagree and

> > then this exchange automatically comes to an end. But I doubt if an

> > egoist like him can agree to disagree and leave the topic. He thinks

> that by hook or crook he can trounce me.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> >

> >

> > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@ wrote:

> >

> > Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@

> > Re: Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, MrVinay

> Jha.

> >

> > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:16 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Dada,

> >

> >

> >

> > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual ways!

> >

> >

> >

> > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time to time

> and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> >

> >

> >

> > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from BVRaman's

> astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...! ) trying to:

> >

> >

> >

> > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may pronounce

> a judgment in our cyber-village?

> >

> >

> >

> > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will leave that

> unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the blanks! Just

> as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful, healthwise by

> doctors)

> >

> >

> >

> > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something like that?

> >

> >

> >

> > Bhul chook leni deni!

> >

> >

> >

> > Rohini

> >

> >

> >

> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > To all,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana gives the

> explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle = 2700

> Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> >

> > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he is

> avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He is citing

> verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka and not

> to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up some

> wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> >

> > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil

> bhattacharjya!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > To All :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha was

> equal

> >

> > >

> >

> > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and refuses

> to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him verses from

> all

> >

> > >

> >

> > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he hibernated

> for

> >

> > >

> >

> > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed with new

> lies

> >

> > >

> >

> > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and I sent

> >

> > >

> >

> > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive liar, after

> >

> > >

> >

> > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods, feigning

> to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me " an

> >

> > >

> >

> > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince

> everyone

> >

> > >

> >

> > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly, and is

> too

> >

> > >

> >

> > > haughty to admit his errors.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana, which says

> :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa chaiva-asuradvishaa

> m " (Amsha- vi,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya day-night /

> (and)

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

> (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one chaturyuga.. . "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word because Mr

> Sunil

> >

> > >

> >

> > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear verdict

> and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my " invention !

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from Mahabharata

> (khanda

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means days and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17 says

> " Daive

> >

> > >

> >

> > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah , ahastatrodagayanam

> >

> > >

> >

> > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee varsham "

> >

> > >

> >

> > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here varsha is

> >

> > >

> >

> > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from preceding two

> >

> > >

> >

> > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is divided thus

> :

> >

> > >

> >

> > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine night " . MBh

> >

> > >

> >

> > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year : see verse

> 15

> >

> > >

> >

> > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

> maanushalaukika

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (but not in devaloka). "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

> Jyotisha

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Siddhantas :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar years for

> a

> >

> > >

> >

> > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000 and

> Earth's

> >

> > >

> >

> > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in Suryasiddhanta,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day count in

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of Suryasiddhanta) .

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

> Mahabharata

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which 4320000 normal

> >

> > >

> >

> > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see verses 5-6)

> and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i, verse

> 10).

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta all

> >

> > >

> >

> > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and not

> 43200000

> >

> > >

> >

> > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts. His

> stand

> >

> > >

> >

> > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya

> and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vishnu

> Dharmottara

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga is of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000 divine

> years.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar " years ?

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse direction

> like

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say that

> 360

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one divya year

> and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga).

> Exactly

> >

> > >

> >

> > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3, verses

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have

> lengths

> >

> > >

> >

> > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of yugas is

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of

> Satyuga

> >

> > >

> >

> > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya " years

> >

> > >

> >

> > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the sequence of

> four

> >

> > >

> >

> > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even schoolboys do

> not

> >

> > >

> >

> > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

> drinking,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken daily.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all brothers.

> Then

> >

> > >

> >

> > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted several

> >

> > >

> >

> > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig Veda it is

> said

> >

> > >

> >

> > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse where

> it

> >

> > >

> >

> > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he missed the

> most

> >

> > >

> >

> > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all 49

> Marutas

> >

> > >

> >

> > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be humans,

> born

> >

> > >

> >

> > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic times,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why Sunil

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ? Rgveda never

> said

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He should cite

> >

> > >

> >

> > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures without a

> goblet

> >

> > >

> >

> > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic Sanskrit

> and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should keep away

> from

> >

> > >

> >

> > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are needed

> by

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every fool may

> pose

> >

> > >

> >

> > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of context.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after which he

> went

> >

> > >

> >

> > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences, but

> after

> >

> > >

> >

> > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing that

> members

> >

> > >

> >

> > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this connection,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also cited

> verses

> >

> > >

> >

> > > from Matsya Purana :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > <<<

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A century of

> men

> >

> > >

> >

> > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years make one

> >

> > >

> >

> > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

> Thousand

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in Verses18-19

> of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Linga Purana cited below)

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >>>

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien. Let us

> agree

> >

> > >

> >

> > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu purana

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (57.17) " .

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that Divyavarsha

> is

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as shown

> below,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana, which

> >

> > >

> >

> > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details

> than

> >

> > >

> >

> > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24, ch-5)

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > verse-25, ch-5)

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which is

> one

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa " while

> >

> > >

> >

> > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB says it

> is

> >

> > >

> >

> > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him,

> hence

> >

> > >

> >

> > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined in

> same

> >

> > >

> >

> > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and

> dakshina

> >

> > >

> >

> > > make one year

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various types

> of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

> different

> >

> > >

> >

> > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one

> human

> >

> > >

> >

> > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said that

> " 30

> >

> > >

> >

> > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language is copy

> of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

> >

> > >

> >

> > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya samvatsara " .

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana

> about

> >

> > >

> >

> > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much (poorva-bhaaga

> said by

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Vaayu) :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas, verse

> 61-62

> >

> > >

> >

> > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in

> >

> > >

> >

> > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on the

> >

> > >

> >

> > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure of

> year

> >

> > >

> >

> > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides day

> and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and year are

> >

> > >

> >

> > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in the

> >

> > >

> >

> > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya varsha to

> be

> >

> > >

> >

> > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact replica

> of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Matsya Purana.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Verse-7 says :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of

> gods) "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga. Verses

> 15-

> >

> > >

> >

> > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam)

> varshas

> >

> > >

> >

> > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the ratio

> is

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 852000 divya varshas =

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

> >

> > >

> >

> > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha " (verse

> 15-16) ;

> >

> > >

> >

> > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

> >

> > >

> >

> > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

> >

> > >

> >

> > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

> >

> > >

> >

> > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka says

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day of

> >

> > >

> >

> > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of gods.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are one

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Varsha of Gods "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam " , ie,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya

> year

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (of 360 human years) "

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane chaahanee

> >

> > >

> >

> > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> >

> > >

> >

> > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

> dakshinaayana

> >

> > >

> >

> > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are called

> >

> > >

> >

> > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

> >

> > >

> >

> > > (maanusha-loka) .

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his

> abusive

> >

> > >

> >

> > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There are some

> >

> > >

> >

> > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal to one

> solar

> >

> > >

> >

> > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil makes a

> mess

> >

> > >

> >

> > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due to his

> lack

> >

> > >

> >

> > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in indological

> >

> > >

> >

> > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts posing as

> an

> >

> > >

> >

> > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > -Vinay Jha

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > ============ ========= == ===

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

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Dear Rohini ji,

 

well,well the way you used ant exactly the same way i used the word

little brain.

 

unfortunately i joined this group after sri K.N.RAO ji's exit.Instead i

am going through his old postings ......

 

somewhere he said that wise people allow destiny to pass willingly.....

 

wise saying as well....

 

regards,

 

gopi.

 

 

 

 

, " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> There we go again!

>

> Smart people stay away from battle-fields! They become public servants

or businessmen or professors!

>

> But " Soft-hearted " ants get involved through an innocent bite or two!

>

> Now Ant has two burdens to carry! A Light machine gun on right

shoulder and a Bazooka on the left!

>

> My shoulders are bowing down already and I do not even have a decent

Kanya navamsha rising or kanya influence in my chart as KNR reminded us

all some years ago -- based presumably on what Uttarkalamrita described

for Kanya navamsha rising! Way back when this forum was blessed by Rao

Saheb's personal and direct voice and presence!

>

> I must be getting old because I reminisce more these days than

rejoice!

>

> Sorry for yet another NON-ASTROLOGICAL intervention!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " vinayjhaa16 " vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> >

> > To Rohini Ji & c,

> >

> > Mr Sunil Ji says " If my memory serves me right even the Vishnu

purana

> > also gives... " .

> >

> > I had provided the website address of Mahirishi Institute of

management

> > (http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/ <http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/>

)

> > where all these debated texts are available. Why Sunil Ji relies on

his

> > fallible memory instead of consulting the texts ? Neither Vishnu

Purana

> > (or any other text) says Kaliyuga to be of 4800 years, nor Vayu

Purana

> > says what he wrongly quotes. I possess many Puranas in my room, and

many

> > more in electric form downloaded from reliable sites, but I do not

> > possess Vayu Purana at present, but I requested Dr Girija Shankar

> > Shastri, the foremost astrologer of Allahabad and HOD of sankrit

there,

> > to scan Vayu purana. He did so and reported that Vayu Purana does

not

> > support what Sunil ji claims.

> >

> > Dr Girija Shankar Shastri has edited and published many rare

Sanskrit

> > manuscripts of Jyotisha and is invited by many universities as an

expert

> > in PhD interviews (recently, he was a member of an expert committee

> > constituted by KSD Sanskrit University for interviewing those

candidates

> > who were already PhD and were applicant for major research Project

of

> > UGC, I was also a member there). Dr Girija Shankar Shastri is a busy

> > person, and not very deft in handling computers, but has agreed to

join

> > this group. I hope Sunil Ji will will not abuse him in the manner he

> > does me, otherwise he may face libel suits, because many judges and

> > advocates of Allahabad are supportes and disciples of Dr Girija

Shankar

> > Shastri due to erudition of the latter. A monk can neglect to file a

> > libel suit, but others may do. Mr Sunil should understand the

meaning of

> > " erudite gentleman " . Mr Sunil is refuting the evidence of so many

> > Puranas & c sent by me and is refusing to cite verses which he

wrongly

> > quotes.

> >

> > I have requested the General Secretary of Akhila Bhaaratiya Vidvat

> > Parishada (of Varanasi) to join these forums to see how Hindu

scriptures

> > are being misquoted in astrological fora ; this person is also the

> > member of national executive of RSS and is a former weditor of

Vishva

> > Panchanga of BHU, and is a firebrand opponent of fall falsehoods,

and

> > has agreed to spend some time in these fora.

> >

> > If needed, I will request other reputed scholars of India to see the

> > state of things in internet fora. Mr Sunil is heading towards

greater

> > troubles if he sticks to falsehood and abuses.

> >

> > -VJ

> > =================== ===

> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > <sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini,

> > >

> > > Sometime back I suggested to Mr. Vinay Jha to read the Vayu Purana

as

> > according to me the Vayu purana clearly defines what are the Divya

> > varsha and the Manushya varsha and that purana also gives the

example

> > that 2700 Divya varsha (Sidereal Solar year) is equal to 3030

Sidereal

> > Lunar calendar, so that there would not be any confusion. If my

memory

> > serves me right even the Vishnu purana also gives an example to

> > > show that the spam of Kali yuga is 48000 (360,000 / 75 = 4800)

years,

> > > in human calculations.

> > >

> > > Then all of a sudden, even before he could read the Vayu purana on

> > that topic, he attacked me on the subject of the span of yuga again.

> > Instead of trying to sort out the issue he tried to show

one-up-manship

> > and I have to will-nilly try to project what is the truth.

> > >

> > > I have already said more than once that

> > > let us agree to disagree. Let him say that he agrees to disagree

and

> > > then this exchange automatically comes to an end. But I doubt if

an

> > > egoist like him can agree to disagree and leave the topic. He

thinks

> > that by hook or crook he can trounce me.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@

> > > Re: Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely,

MrVinay

> > Jha.

> > >

> > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:16 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Dada,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual ways!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time to

time

> > and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from

BVRaman's

> > astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...! ) trying to:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may

pronounce

> > a judgment in our cyber-village?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will leave

that

> > unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the blanks!

Just

> > as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful,

healthwise by

> > doctors)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something like

that?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Bhul chook leni deni!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Rohini

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > To all,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana gives

the

> > explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle =

2700

> > Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> > >

> > > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he is

> > avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He is

citing

> > verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka and

not

> > to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up some

> > wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> > >

> > > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil

> > bhattacharjya!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > To All :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha was

> > equal

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and

refuses

> > to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him verses

from

> > all

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he

hibernated

> > for

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed with

new

> > lies

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and I

sent

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive liar,

after

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods,

feigning

> > to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me " an

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince

> > everyone

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly, and

is

> > too

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > haughty to admit his errors.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana, which

says

> > :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa chaiva-asuradvishaa

> > m " (Amsha- vi,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya day-night

/

> > (and)

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

> > (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one

chaturyuga.. . "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word because

Mr

> > Sunil

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear

verdict

> > and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my " invention !

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from Mahabharata

> > (khanda

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means days

and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17 says

> > " Daive

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah ,

ahastatrodagayanam

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee

varsham "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here

varsha is

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from preceding

two

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is divided

thus

> > :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine night " .

MBh

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year : see

verse

> > 15

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

> > maanushalaukika

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (but not in devaloka). "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

> > Jyotisha

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Siddhantas :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar years

for

> > a

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000 and

> > Earth's

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in

Suryasiddhanta,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day count

in

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of Suryasiddhanta) .

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

> > Mahabharata

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which 4320000

normal

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see verses

5-6)

> > and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i, verse

> > 10).

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta

all

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and not

> > 43200000

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts. His

> > stand

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta,

Aryabhatiya

> > and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vishnu

> > Dharmottara

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga is

of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000 divine

> > years.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar " years

?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse

direction

> > like

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say

that

> > 360

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one divya

year

> > and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga).

> > Exactly

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3,

verses

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have

> > lengths

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of yugas

is

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of

> > Satyuga

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya "

years

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the sequence of

> > four

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even

schoolboys do

> > not

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

> > drinking,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken

daily.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all

brothers.

> > Then

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted

several

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig Veda it

is

> > said

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse

where

> > it

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he missed

the

> > most

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all 49

> > Marutas

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be humans,

> > born

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic

times,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why Sunil

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ? Rgveda

never

> > said

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He should

cite

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures without

a

> > goblet

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic

Sanskrit

> > and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should keep

away

> > from

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are

needed

> > by

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every fool

may

> > pose

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of context.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after which

he

> > went

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences, but

> > after

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing that

> > members

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this

connection,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also

cited

> > verses

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > from Matsya Purana :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > <<<

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A

century of

> > men

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years make

one

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

> > Thousand

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in

Verses18-19

> > of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Linga Purana cited below)

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >>>

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien. Let

us

> > agree

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu

purana

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (57.17) " .

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that

Divyavarsha

> > is

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him

to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as

shown

> > below,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana,

which

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details

> > than

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24,

ch-5)

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half

of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > verse-25, ch-5)

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which

is

> > one

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa "

while

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB

says it

> > is

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him,

> > hence

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined

in

> > same

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and

> > dakshina

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > make one year

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various

types

> > of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

> > different

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one

> > human

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said

that

> > " 30

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language is

copy

> > of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya

samvatsara " .

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana

> > about

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much (poorva-bhaaga

> > said by

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Vaayu) :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas,

verse

> > 61-62

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on

the

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure

of

> > year

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides

day

> > and

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and year

are

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in

the

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya

varsha to

> > be

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact

replica

> > of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Matsya Purana.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya

:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Verse-7 says :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of

> > gods) "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga.

Verses

> > 15-

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam)

> > varshas

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the

ratio

> > is

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 852000 divya varshas =

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha "

(verse

> > 15-16) ;

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka

says

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day

of

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of

gods.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are

one

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Varsha of Gods "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam " ,

ie,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya

> > year

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (of 360 human years) "

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane

chaahanee

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

> > dakshinaayana

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are

called

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > (maanusha-loka) .

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his

> > abusive

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood

to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There are

some

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal to

one

> > solar

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil makes

a

> > mess

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due to

his

> > lack

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in

indological

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts posing

as

> > an

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > -Vinay Jha

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > ============ ========= == ===

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

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You missed my point, Gopi-ji :-(

 

There is no little brain! Just " little utilization " of what we were supposed to

or endowed with!

 

I feel blessed to have experienced the direct presence of such great Astrologers

and even greater Human Beings! And even when I gave some of them a hard time at

times -- given with what I see and run into today, the prospects are SCARY!

 

RR

 

, " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Rohini ji,

>

> well,well the way you used ant exactly the same way i used the word

> little brain.

>

> unfortunately i joined this group after sri K.N.RAO ji's exit.Instead i

> am going through his old postings ......

>

> somewhere he said that wise people allow destiny to pass willingly.....

>

> wise saying as well....

>

> regards,

>

> gopi.

>

>

>

>

> , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@>

> wrote:

> >

> > There we go again!

> >

> > Smart people stay away from battle-fields! They become public servants

> or businessmen or professors!

> >

> > But " Soft-hearted " ants get involved through an innocent bite or two!

> >

> > Now Ant has two burdens to carry! A Light machine gun on right

> shoulder and a Bazooka on the left!

> >

> > My shoulders are bowing down already and I do not even have a decent

> Kanya navamsha rising or kanya influence in my chart as KNR reminded us

> all some years ago -- based presumably on what Uttarkalamrita described

> for Kanya navamsha rising! Way back when this forum was blessed by Rao

> Saheb's personal and direct voice and presence!

> >

> > I must be getting old because I reminisce more these days than

> rejoice!

> >

> > Sorry for yet another NON-ASTROLOGICAL intervention!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " vinayjhaa16 " vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > >

> > > To Rohini Ji & c,

> > >

> > > Mr Sunil Ji says " If my memory serves me right even the Vishnu

> purana

> > > also gives... " .

> > >

> > > I had provided the website address of Mahirishi Institute of

> management

> > > (http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/ <http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/>

> )

> > > where all these debated texts are available. Why Sunil Ji relies on

> his

> > > fallible memory instead of consulting the texts ? Neither Vishnu

> Purana

> > > (or any other text) says Kaliyuga to be of 4800 years, nor Vayu

> Purana

> > > says what he wrongly quotes. I possess many Puranas in my room, and

> many

> > > more in electric form downloaded from reliable sites, but I do not

> > > possess Vayu Purana at present, but I requested Dr Girija Shankar

> > > Shastri, the foremost astrologer of Allahabad and HOD of sankrit

> there,

> > > to scan Vayu purana. He did so and reported that Vayu Purana does

> not

> > > support what Sunil ji claims.

> > >

> > > Dr Girija Shankar Shastri has edited and published many rare

> Sanskrit

> > > manuscripts of Jyotisha and is invited by many universities as an

> expert

> > > in PhD interviews (recently, he was a member of an expert committee

> > > constituted by KSD Sanskrit University for interviewing those

> candidates

> > > who were already PhD and were applicant for major research Project

> of

> > > UGC, I was also a member there). Dr Girija Shankar Shastri is a busy

> > > person, and not very deft in handling computers, but has agreed to

> join

> > > this group. I hope Sunil Ji will will not abuse him in the manner he

> > > does me, otherwise he may face libel suits, because many judges and

> > > advocates of Allahabad are supportes and disciples of Dr Girija

> Shankar

> > > Shastri due to erudition of the latter. A monk can neglect to file a

> > > libel suit, but others may do. Mr Sunil should understand the

> meaning of

> > > " erudite gentleman " . Mr Sunil is refuting the evidence of so many

> > > Puranas & c sent by me and is refusing to cite verses which he

> wrongly

> > > quotes.

> > >

> > > I have requested the General Secretary of Akhila Bhaaratiya Vidvat

> > > Parishada (of Varanasi) to join these forums to see how Hindu

> scriptures

> > > are being misquoted in astrological fora ; this person is also the

> > > member of national executive of RSS and is a former weditor of

> Vishva

> > > Panchanga of BHU, and is a firebrand opponent of fall falsehoods,

> and

> > > has agreed to spend some time in these fora.

> > >

> > > If needed, I will request other reputed scholars of India to see the

> > > state of things in internet fora. Mr Sunil is heading towards

> greater

> > > troubles if he sticks to falsehood and abuses.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > =================== ===

> > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > > <sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rohini,

> > > >

> > > > Sometime back I suggested to Mr. Vinay Jha to read the Vayu Purana

> as

> > > according to me the Vayu purana clearly defines what are the Divya

> > > varsha and the Manushya varsha and that purana also gives the

> example

> > > that 2700 Divya varsha (Sidereal Solar year) is equal to 3030

> Sidereal

> > > Lunar calendar, so that there would not be any confusion. If my

> memory

> > > serves me right even the Vishnu purana also gives an example to

> > > > show that the spam of Kali yuga is 48000 (360,000 / 75 = 4800)

> years,

> > > > in human calculations.

> > > >

> > > > Then all of a sudden, even before he could read the Vayu purana on

> > > that topic, he attacked me on the subject of the span of yuga again.

> > > Instead of trying to sort out the issue he tried to show

> one-up-manship

> > > and I have to will-nilly try to project what is the truth.

> > > >

> > > > I have already said more than once that

> > > > let us agree to disagree. Let him say that he agrees to disagree

> and

> > > > then this exchange automatically comes to an end. But I doubt if

> an

> > > > egoist like him can agree to disagree and leave the topic. He

> thinks

> > > that by hook or crook he can trounce me.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@

> > > > Re: Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely,

> MrVinay

> > > Jha.

> > > >

> > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:16 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Dada,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual ways!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time to

> time

> > > and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from

> BVRaman's

> > > astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...! ) trying to:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may

> pronounce

> > > a judgment in our cyber-village?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will leave

> that

> > > unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the blanks!

> Just

> > > as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful,

> healthwise by

> > > doctors)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something like

> that?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bhul chook leni deni!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rohini

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > To all,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana gives

> the

> > > explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle =

> 2700

> > > Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> > > >

> > > > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he is

> > > avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He is

> citing

> > > verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka and

> not

> > > to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up some

> > > wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil

> > > bhattacharjya!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > To All :

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha was

> > > equal

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and

> refuses

> > > to

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him verses

> from

> > > all

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he

> hibernated

> > > for

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed with

> new

> > > lies

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and I

> sent

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive liar,

> after

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods,

> feigning

> > > to

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me " an

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince

> > > everyone

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly, and

> is

> > > too

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > haughty to admit his errors.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana, which

> says

> > > :

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa chaiva-asuradvishaa

> > > m " (Amsha- vi,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya day-night

> /

> > > (and)

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

> > > (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one

> chaturyuga.. . "

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word because

> Mr

> > > Sunil

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear

> verdict

> > > and

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my " invention !

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from Mahabharata

> > > (khanda

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means days

> and

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17 says

> > > " Daive

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah ,

> ahastatrodagayanam

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee

> varsham "

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here

> varsha is

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from preceding

> two

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is divided

> thus

> > > :

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine night " .

> MBh

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year : see

> verse

> > > 15

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

> > > maanushalaukika

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > (but not in devaloka). "

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

> > > Jyotisha

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Siddhantas :

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar years

> for

> > > a

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa of

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000 and

> > > Earth's

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in

> Suryasiddhanta,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day count

> in

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of Suryasiddhanta) .

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

> > > Mahabharata

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which 4320000

> normal

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see verses

> 5-6)

> > > and

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i, verse

> > > 10).

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta

> all

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and not

> > > 43200000

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts. His

> > > stand

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta,

> Aryabhatiya

> > > and

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vishnu

> > > Dharmottara

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga is

> of

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000 divine

> > > years.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar " years

> ?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse

> direction

> > > like

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say

> that

> > > 360

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one divya

> year

> > > and

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga).

> > > Exactly

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3,

> verses

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have

> > > lengths

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of yugas

> is

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of

> > > Satyuga

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya "

> years

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the sequence of

> > > four

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even

> schoolboys do

> > > not

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

> > > drinking,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken

> daily.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all

> brothers.

> > > Then

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted

> several

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig Veda it

> is

> > > said

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse

> where

> > > it

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he missed

> the

> > > most

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all 49

> > > Marutas

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be humans,

> > > born

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic

> times,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why Sunil

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ? Rgveda

> never

> > > said

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He should

> cite

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures without

> a

> > > goblet

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic

> Sanskrit

> > > and

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should keep

> away

> > > from

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are

> needed

> > > by

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every fool

> may

> > > pose

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of context.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after which

> he

> > > went

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences, but

> > > after

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing that

> > > members

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this

> connection,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also

> cited

> > > verses

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > from Matsya Purana :

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > <<<

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A

> century of

> > > men

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years make

> one

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

> > > Thousand

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in

> Verses18-19

> > > of

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Linga Purana cited below)

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >>>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien. Let

> us

> > > agree

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu

> purana

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > (57.17) " .

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that

> Divyavarsha

> > > is

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him

> to

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as

> shown

> > > below,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana,

> which

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details

> > > than

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24,

> ch-5)

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half

> of

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > verse-25, ch-5)

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which

> is

> > > one

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa "

> while

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB

> says it

> > > is

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him,

> > > hence

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined

> in

> > > same

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and

> > > dakshina

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > make one year

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various

> types

> > > of

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

> > > different

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one

> > > human

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said

> that

> > > " 30

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language is

> copy

> > > of

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya

> samvatsara " .

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana

> > > about

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much (poorva-bhaaga

> > > said by

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Vaayu) :

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas,

> verse

> > > 61-62

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on

> the

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure

> of

> > > year

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides

> day

> > > and

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and year

> are

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in

> the

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya

> varsha to

> > > be

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact

> replica

> > > of

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Matsya Purana.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya

> :

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Verse-7 says :

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of

> > > gods) "

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga.

> Verses

> > > 15-

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam)

> > > varshas

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the

> ratio

> > > is

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > 852000 divya varshas =

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha "

> (verse

> > > 15-16) ;

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka

> says

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day

> of

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of

> gods.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are

> one

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Varsha of Gods "

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam " ,

> ie,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya

> > > year

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > (of 360 human years) "

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane

> chaahanee

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

> > > dakshinaayana

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are

> called

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > (maanusha-loka) .

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his

> > > abusive

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood

> to

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There are

> some

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal to

> one

> > > solar

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil makes

> a

> > > mess

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due to

> his

> > > lack

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in

> indological

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts posing

> as

> > > an

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> > > >

> > > > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

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> > > > > -Vinay Jha

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> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > > ============ ========= == ===

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No,no Rohini ji,

 

i got it.but said what iwanted to say.....

 

why should you be scary when when you got

, " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> You missed my point, Gopi-ji :-(

>

> There is no little brain! Just " little utilization " of what we were

supposed to or endowed with!

>

> I feel blessed to have experienced the direct presence of such great

Astrologers and even greater Human Beings! And even when I gave some of

them a hard time at times -- given with what I see and run into today,

the prospects are SCARY!

>

> RR

>

> , " gopi_b927 " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Rohini ji,

> >

> > well,well the way you used ant exactly the same way i used the word

> > little brain.

> >

> > unfortunately i joined this group after sri K.N.RAO ji's

exit.Instead i

> > am going through his old postings ......

> >

> > somewhere he said that wise people allow destiny to pass

willingly.....

> >

> > wise saying as well....

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > gopi.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > There we go again!

> > >

> > > Smart people stay away from battle-fields! They become public

servants

> > or businessmen or professors!

> > >

> > > But " Soft-hearted " ants get involved through an innocent bite or

two!

> > >

> > > Now Ant has two burdens to carry! A Light machine gun on right

> > shoulder and a Bazooka on the left!

> > >

> > > My shoulders are bowing down already and I do not even have a

decent

> > Kanya navamsha rising or kanya influence in my chart as KNR reminded

us

> > all some years ago -- based presumably on what Uttarkalamrita

described

> > for Kanya navamsha rising! Way back when this forum was blessed by

Rao

> > Saheb's personal and direct voice and presence!

> > >

> > > I must be getting old because I reminisce more these days than

> > rejoice!

> > >

> > > Sorry for yet another NON-ASTROLOGICAL intervention!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " vinayjhaa16 " vinayjhaa16@

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > To Rohini Ji & c,

> > > >

> > > > Mr Sunil Ji says " If my memory serves me right even the Vishnu

> > purana

> > > > also gives... " .

> > > >

> > > > I had provided the website address of Mahirishi Institute of

> > management

> > > > (http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/

<http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/>

> > )

> > > > where all these debated texts are available. Why Sunil Ji relies

on

> > his

> > > > fallible memory instead of consulting the texts ? Neither Vishnu

> > Purana

> > > > (or any other text) says Kaliyuga to be of 4800 years, nor Vayu

> > Purana

> > > > says what he wrongly quotes. I possess many Puranas in my room,

and

> > many

> > > > more in electric form downloaded from reliable sites, but I do

not

> > > > possess Vayu Purana at present, but I requested Dr Girija

Shankar

> > > > Shastri, the foremost astrologer of Allahabad and HOD of sankrit

> > there,

> > > > to scan Vayu purana. He did so and reported that Vayu Purana

does

> > not

> > > > support what Sunil ji claims.

> > > >

> > > > Dr Girija Shankar Shastri has edited and published many rare

> > Sanskrit

> > > > manuscripts of Jyotisha and is invited by many universities as

an

> > expert

> > > > in PhD interviews (recently, he was a member of an expert

committee

> > > > constituted by KSD Sanskrit University for interviewing those

> > candidates

> > > > who were already PhD and were applicant for major research

Project

> > of

> > > > UGC, I was also a member there). Dr Girija Shankar Shastri is a

busy

> > > > person, and not very deft in handling computers, but has agreed

to

> > join

> > > > this group. I hope Sunil Ji will will not abuse him in the

manner he

> > > > does me, otherwise he may face libel suits, because many judges

and

> > > > advocates of Allahabad are supportes and disciples of Dr Girija

> > Shankar

> > > > Shastri due to erudition of the latter. A monk can neglect to

file a

> > > > libel suit, but others may do. Mr Sunil should understand the

> > meaning of

> > > > " erudite gentleman " . Mr Sunil is refuting the evidence of so

many

> > > > Puranas & c sent by me and is refusing to cite verses which he

> > wrongly

> > > > quotes.

> > > >

> > > > I have requested the General Secretary of Akhila Bhaaratiya

Vidvat

> > > > Parishada (of Varanasi) to join these forums to see how Hindu

> > scriptures

> > > > are being misquoted in astrological fora ; this person is also

the

> > > > member of national executive of RSS and is a former weditor of

> > Vishva

> > > > Panchanga of BHU, and is a firebrand opponent of fall

falsehoods,

> > and

> > > > has agreed to spend some time in these fora.

> > > >

> > > > If needed, I will request other reputed scholars of India to see

the

> > > > state of things in internet fora. Mr Sunil is heading towards

> > greater

> > > > troubles if he sticks to falsehood and abuses.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > > =================== ===

> > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > > > <sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rohini,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sometime back I suggested to Mr. Vinay Jha to read the Vayu

Purana

> > as

> > > > according to me the Vayu purana clearly defines what are the

Divya

> > > > varsha and the Manushya varsha and that purana also gives the

> > example

> > > > that 2700 Divya varsha (Sidereal Solar year) is equal to 3030

> > Sidereal

> > > > Lunar calendar, so that there would not be any confusion. If my

> > memory

> > > > serves me right even the Vishnu purana also gives an example to

> > > > > show that the spam of Kali yuga is 48000 (360,000 / 75 = 4800)

> > years,

> > > > > in human calculations.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then all of a sudden, even before he could read the Vayu

purana on

> > > > that topic, he attacked me on the subject of the span of yuga

again.

> > > > Instead of trying to sort out the issue he tried to show

> > one-up-manship

> > > > and I have to will-nilly try to project what is the truth.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have already said more than once that

> > > > > let us agree to disagree. Let him say that he agrees to

disagree

> > and

> > > > > then this exchange automatically comes to an end. But I doubt

if

> > an

> > > > > egoist like him can agree to disagree and leave the topic. He

> > thinks

> > > > that by hook or crook he can trounce me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@

> > > > > Re: Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely,

> > MrVinay

> > > > Jha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:16 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Dada,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual

ways!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time

to

> > time

> > > > and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from

> > BVRaman's

> > > > astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...! ) trying

to:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may

> > pronounce

> > > > a judgment in our cyber-village?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will

leave

> > that

> > > > unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the

blanks!

> > Just

> > > > as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful,

> > healthwise by

> > > > doctors)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something

like

> > that?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhul chook leni deni!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohini

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > To all,

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana

gives

> > the

> > > > explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle =

> > 2700

> > > > Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> > > > >

> > > > > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he

is

> > > > avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He

is

> > citing

> > > > verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka

and

> > not

> > > > to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up

some

> > > > wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> > > > >

> > > > > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr

Sunil

> > > > bhattacharjya!

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > To All :

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha

was

> > > > equal

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and

> > refuses

> > > > to

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him

verses

> > from

> > > > all

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he

> > hibernated

> > > > for

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed

with

> > new

> > > > lies

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and

I

> > sent

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive

liar,

> > after

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods,

> > feigning

> > > > to

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me

" an

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince

> > > > everyone

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly,

and

> > is

> > > > too

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > haughty to admit his errors.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana,

which

> > says

> > > > :

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa

chaiva-asuradvishaa

> > > > m " (Amsha- vi,

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya

day-night

> > /

> > > > (and)

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

> > > > (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one

> > chaturyuga.. . "

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word

because

> > Mr

> > > > Sunil

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear

> > verdict

> > > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my "

invention !

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from

Mahabharata

> > > > (khanda

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means

days

> > and

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17

says

> > > > " Daive

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah ,

> > ahastatrodagayanam

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee

> > varsham "

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here

> > varsha is

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from

preceding

> > two

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is

divided

> > thus

> > > > :

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine

night " .

> > MBh

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year :

see

> > verse

> > > > 15

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

> > > > maanushalaukika

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > (but not in devaloka). "

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

> > > > Jyotisha

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Siddhantas :

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar

years

> > for

> > > > a

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa

of

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000

and

> > > > Earth's

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in

> > Suryasiddhanta,

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day

count

> > in

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of

Suryasiddhanta) .

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

> > > > Mahabharata

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which

4320000

> > normal

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see

verses

> > 5-6)

> > > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i,

verse

> > > > 10).

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta-

siddhaanta

> > all

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and

not

> > > > 43200000

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts.

His

> > > > stand

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta,

> > Aryabhatiya

> > > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana,

Vishnu

> > > > Dharmottara

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga

is

> > of

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000

divine

> > > > years.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar "

years

> > ?

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse

> > direction

> > > > like

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say

> > that

> > > > 360

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one

divya

> > year

> > > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie,

Mahayuga).

> > > > Exactly

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3,

> > verses

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga

have

> > > > lengths

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of

yugas

> > is

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration

of

> > > > Satyuga

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya "

> > years

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the

sequence of

> > > > four

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even

> > schoolboys do

> > > > not

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

> > > > drinking,

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken

> > daily.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all

> > brothers.

> > > > Then

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted

> > several

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig

Veda it

> > is

> > > > said

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact

verse

> > where

> > > > it

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he

missed

> > the

> > > > most

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all

49

> > > > Marutas

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be

humans,

> > > > born

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic

> > times,

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why

Sunil

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ?

Rgveda

> > never

> > > > said

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He

should

> > cite

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures

without

> > a

> > > > goblet

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic

> > Sanskrit

> > > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should

keep

> > away

> > > > from

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are

> > needed

> > > > by

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every

fool

> > may

> > > > pose

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of

context.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after

which

> > he

> > > > went

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences,

but

> > > > after

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing

that

> > > > members

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this

> > connection,

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also

> > cited

> > > > verses

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > from Matsya Purana :

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > <<<

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A

> > century of

> > > > men

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years

make

> > one

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

> > > > Thousand

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in

> > Verses18-19

> > > > of

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Linga Purana cited below)

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien.

Let

> > us

> > > > agree

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu

> > purana

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > (57.17) " .

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that

> > Divyavarsha

> > > > is

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask

him

> > to

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as

> > shown

> > > > below,

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada

Purana,

> > which

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more

details

> > > > than

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24,

> > ch-5)

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst

half

> > of

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > verse-25, ch-5)

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two

ayanas

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans)

which

> > is

> > > > one

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is

" divasa "

> > while

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu

Purana,

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB

> > says it

> > > > is

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to

him,

> > > > hence

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is

defined

> > in

> > > > same

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara

and

> > > > dakshina

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > make one year

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates

various

> > types

> > > > of

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

> > > > different

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say

one

> > > > human

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is

said

> > that

> > > > " 30

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language

is

> > copy

> > > > of

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya

> > samvatsara " .

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya

Purana

> > > > about

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much

(poorva-bhaaga

> > > > said by

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Vaayu) :

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas,

> > verse

> > > > 61-62

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are

in

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu

:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined

on

> > the

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the

measure

> > of

> > > > year

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun

divides

> > day

> > > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and

year

> > are

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly

in

> > the

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya

> > varsha to

> > > > be

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact

> > replica

> > > > of

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Matsya Purana.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage

Pulastya

> > :

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Verse-7 says :

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day

(of

> > > > gods) "

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one

chaturyuga.

> > Verses

> > > > 15-

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya

(suraadinaam)

> > > > varshas

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the

> > ratio

> > > > is

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > 852000 divya varshas =

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha "

> > (verse

> > > > 15-16) ;

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage

Shaunaka

> > says

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as

day

> > of

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra

of

> > gods.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans

are

> > one

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Varsha of Gods "

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam "

,

> > ie,

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very

divya

> > > > year

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > (of 360 human years) "

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane

> > chaahanee

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

> > > > dakshinaayana

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are

> > called

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > (maanusha-loka) .

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified

his

> > > > abusive

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one

falsehood

> > to

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There

are

> > some

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal

to

> > one

> > > > solar

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil

makes

> > a

> > > > mess

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due

to

> > his

> > > > lack

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in

> > indological

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts

posing

> > as

> > > > an

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > ============ ========= == ===

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

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Dear Gopi jee!

 

Galat samjhay jee!

 

I am not scary :-)

 

Ask anyone who has known me!

 

I am the " scared " one!!

 

What is scary is that " scared " and 'sacred' are but anagrams as I believe those

are called!

 

Another wasted breath I suppose...

 

Then there are enneagrams ... yet another level of complexity and confusion!

 

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

, " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927 wrote:

>

>

> No,no Rohini ji,

>

> i got it.but said what iwanted to say.....

>

> why should you be scary when when you got

> , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@>

> wrote:

> >

> > You missed my point, Gopi-ji :-(

> >

> > There is no little brain! Just " little utilization " of what we were

> supposed to or endowed with!

> >

> > I feel blessed to have experienced the direct presence of such great

> Astrologers and even greater Human Beings! And even when I gave some of

> them a hard time at times -- given with what I see and run into today,

> the prospects are SCARY!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , " gopi_b927 " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > >

> > > well,well the way you used ant exactly the same way i used the word

> > > little brain.

> > >

> > > unfortunately i joined this group after sri K.N.RAO ji's

> exit.Instead i

> > > am going through his old postings ......

> > >

> > > somewhere he said that wise people allow destiny to pass

> willingly.....

> > >

> > > wise saying as well....

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > gopi.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > There we go again!

> > > >

> > > > Smart people stay away from battle-fields! They become public

> servants

> > > or businessmen or professors!

> > > >

> > > > But " Soft-hearted " ants get involved through an innocent bite or

> two!

> > > >

> > > > Now Ant has two burdens to carry! A Light machine gun on right

> > > shoulder and a Bazooka on the left!

> > > >

> > > > My shoulders are bowing down already and I do not even have a

> decent

> > > Kanya navamsha rising or kanya influence in my chart as KNR reminded

> us

> > > all some years ago -- based presumably on what Uttarkalamrita

> described

> > > for Kanya navamsha rising! Way back when this forum was blessed by

> Rao

> > > Saheb's personal and direct voice and presence!

> > > >

> > > > I must be getting old because I reminisce more these days than

> > > rejoice!

> > > >

> > > > Sorry for yet another NON-ASTROLOGICAL intervention!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " vinayjhaa16@

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > To Rohini Ji & c,

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr Sunil Ji says " If my memory serves me right even the Vishnu

> > > purana

> > > > > also gives... " .

> > > > >

> > > > > I had provided the website address of Mahirishi Institute of

> > > management

> > > > > (http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/

> <http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/>

> > > )

> > > > > where all these debated texts are available. Why Sunil Ji relies

> on

> > > his

> > > > > fallible memory instead of consulting the texts ? Neither Vishnu

> > > Purana

> > > > > (or any other text) says Kaliyuga to be of 4800 years, nor Vayu

> > > Purana

> > > > > says what he wrongly quotes. I possess many Puranas in my room,

> and

> > > many

> > > > > more in electric form downloaded from reliable sites, but I do

> not

> > > > > possess Vayu Purana at present, but I requested Dr Girija

> Shankar

> > > > > Shastri, the foremost astrologer of Allahabad and HOD of sankrit

> > > there,

> > > > > to scan Vayu purana. He did so and reported that Vayu Purana

> does

> > > not

> > > > > support what Sunil ji claims.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dr Girija Shankar Shastri has edited and published many rare

> > > Sanskrit

> > > > > manuscripts of Jyotisha and is invited by many universities as

> an

> > > expert

> > > > > in PhD interviews (recently, he was a member of an expert

> committee

> > > > > constituted by KSD Sanskrit University for interviewing those

> > > candidates

> > > > > who were already PhD and were applicant for major research

> Project

> > > of

> > > > > UGC, I was also a member there). Dr Girija Shankar Shastri is a

> busy

> > > > > person, and not very deft in handling computers, but has agreed

> to

> > > join

> > > > > this group. I hope Sunil Ji will will not abuse him in the

> manner he

> > > > > does me, otherwise he may face libel suits, because many judges

> and

> > > > > advocates of Allahabad are supportes and disciples of Dr Girija

> > > Shankar

> > > > > Shastri due to erudition of the latter. A monk can neglect to

> file a

> > > > > libel suit, but others may do. Mr Sunil should understand the

> > > meaning of

> > > > > " erudite gentleman " . Mr Sunil is refuting the evidence of so

> many

> > > > > Puranas & c sent by me and is refusing to cite verses which he

> > > wrongly

> > > > > quotes.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have requested the General Secretary of Akhila Bhaaratiya

> Vidvat

> > > > > Parishada (of Varanasi) to join these forums to see how Hindu

> > > scriptures

> > > > > are being misquoted in astrological fora ; this person is also

> the

> > > > > member of national executive of RSS and is a former weditor of

> > > Vishva

> > > > > Panchanga of BHU, and is a firebrand opponent of fall

> falsehoods,

> > > and

> > > > > has agreed to spend some time in these fora.

> > > > >

> > > > > If needed, I will request other reputed scholars of India to see

> the

> > > > > state of things in internet fora. Mr Sunil is heading towards

> > > greater

> > > > > troubles if he sticks to falsehood and abuses.

> > > > >

> > > > > -VJ

> > > > > =================== ===

> > > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rohini,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sometime back I suggested to Mr. Vinay Jha to read the Vayu

> Purana

> > > as

> > > > > according to me the Vayu purana clearly defines what are the

> Divya

> > > > > varsha and the Manushya varsha and that purana also gives the

> > > example

> > > > > that 2700 Divya varsha (Sidereal Solar year) is equal to 3030

> > > Sidereal

> > > > > Lunar calendar, so that there would not be any confusion. If my

> > > memory

> > > > > serves me right even the Vishnu purana also gives an example to

> > > > > > show that the spam of Kali yuga is 48000 (360,000 / 75 = 4800)

> > > years,

> > > > > > in human calculations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Then all of a sudden, even before he could read the Vayu

> purana on

> > > > > that topic, he attacked me on the subject of the span of yuga

> again.

> > > > > Instead of trying to sort out the issue he tried to show

> > > one-up-manship

> > > > > and I have to will-nilly try to project what is the truth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have already said more than once that

> > > > > > let us agree to disagree. Let him say that he agrees to

> disagree

> > > and

> > > > > > then this exchange automatically comes to an end. But I doubt

> if

> > > an

> > > > > > egoist like him can agree to disagree and leave the topic. He

> > > thinks

> > > > > that by hook or crook he can trounce me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > Re: Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely,

> > > MrVinay

> > > > > Jha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:16 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Dada,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual

> ways!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time

> to

> > > time

> > > > > and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from

> > > BVRaman's

> > > > > astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...! ) trying

> to:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may

> > > pronounce

> > > > > a judgment in our cyber-village?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will

> leave

> > > that

> > > > > unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the

> blanks!

> > > Just

> > > > > as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful,

> > > healthwise by

> > > > > doctors)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something

> like

> > > that?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhul chook leni deni!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohini

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > To all,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana

> gives

> > > the

> > > > > explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle =

> > > 2700

> > > > > Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he

> is

> > > > > avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He

> is

> > > citing

> > > > > verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka

> and

> > > not

> > > > > to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up

> some

> > > > > wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr

> Sunil

> > > > > bhattacharjya!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > To All :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha

> was

> > > > > equal

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and

> > > refuses

> > > > > to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him

> verses

> > > from

> > > > > all

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he

> > > hibernated

> > > > > for

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed

> with

> > > new

> > > > > lies

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and

> I

> > > sent

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive

> liar,

> > > after

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods,

> > > feigning

> > > > > to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me

> " an

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince

> > > > > everyone

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly,

> and

> > > is

> > > > > too

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > haughty to admit his errors.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana,

> which

> > > says

> > > > > :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa

> chaiva-asuradvishaa

> > > > > m " (Amsha- vi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya

> day-night

> > > /

> > > > > (and)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

> > > > > (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one

> > > chaturyuga.. . "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word

> because

> > > Mr

> > > > > Sunil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear

> > > verdict

> > > > > and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my "

> invention !

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from

> Mahabharata

> > > > > (khanda

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means

> days

> > > and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17

> says

> > > > > " Daive

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah ,

> > > ahastatrodagayanam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee

> > > varsham "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here

> > > varsha is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from

> preceding

> > > two

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is

> divided

> > > thus

> > > > > :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine

> night " .

> > > MBh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year :

> see

> > > verse

> > > > > 15

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

> > > > > maanushalaukika

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > (but not in devaloka). "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

> > > > > Jyotisha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Siddhantas :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar

> years

> > > for

> > > > > a

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa

> of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000

> and

> > > > > Earth's

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in

> > > Suryasiddhanta,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day

> count

> > > in

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of

> Suryasiddhanta) .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

> > > > > Mahabharata

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which

> 4320000

> > > normal

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see

> verses

> > > 5-6)

> > > > > and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i,

> verse

> > > > > 10).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta-

> siddhaanta

> > > all

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and

> not

> > > > > 43200000

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts.

> His

> > > > > stand

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta,

> > > Aryabhatiya

> > > > > and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana,

> Vishnu

> > > > > Dharmottara

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga

> is

> > > of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000

> divine

> > > > > years.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar "

> years

> > > ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse

> > > direction

> > > > > like

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say

> > > that

> > > > > 360

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one

> divya

> > > year

> > > > > and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie,

> Mahayuga).

> > > > > Exactly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3,

> > > verses

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga

> have

> > > > > lengths

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of

> yugas

> > > is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration

> of

> > > > > Satyuga

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya "

> > > years

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the

> sequence of

> > > > > four

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even

> > > schoolboys do

> > > > > not

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

> > > > > drinking,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken

> > > daily.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all

> > > brothers.

> > > > > Then

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted

> > > several

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig

> Veda it

> > > is

> > > > > said

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact

> verse

> > > where

> > > > > it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he

> missed

> > > the

> > > > > most

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all

> 49

> > > > > Marutas

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be

> humans,

> > > > > born

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic

> > > times,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why

> Sunil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ?

> Rgveda

> > > never

> > > > > said

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He

> should

> > > cite

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures

> without

> > > a

> > > > > goblet

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic

> > > Sanskrit

> > > > > and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should

> keep

> > > away

> > > > > from

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are

> > > needed

> > > > > by

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every

> fool

> > > may

> > > > > pose

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of

> context.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after

> which

> > > he

> > > > > went

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences,

> but

> > > > > after

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing

> that

> > > > > members

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this

> > > connection,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also

> > > cited

> > > > > verses

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > from Matsya Purana :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > <<<

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A

> > > century of

> > > > > men

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years

> make

> > > one

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

> > > > > Thousand

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in

> > > Verses18-19

> > > > > of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Linga Purana cited below)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien.

> Let

> > > us

> > > > > agree

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu

> > > purana

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > (57.17) " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that

> > > Divyavarsha

> > > > > is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask

> him

> > > to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as

> > > shown

> > > > > below,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada

> Purana,

> > > which

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more

> details

> > > > > than

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24,

> > > ch-5)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst

> half

> > > of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > verse-25, ch-5)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two

> ayanas

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans)

> which

> > > is

> > > > > one

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is

> " divasa "

> > > while

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu

> Purana,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB

> > > says it

> > > > > is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to

> him,

> > > > > hence

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is

> defined

> > > in

> > > > > same

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara

> and

> > > > > dakshina

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > make one year

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates

> various

> > > types

> > > > > of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

> > > > > different

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say

> one

> > > > > human

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is

> said

> > > that

> > > > > " 30

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language

> is

> > > copy

> > > > > of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya

> > > samvatsara " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya

> Purana

> > > > > about

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much

> (poorva-bhaaga

> > > > > said by

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vaayu) :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas,

> > > verse

> > > > > 61-62

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are

> in

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu

> :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined

> on

> > > the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the

> measure

> > > of

> > > > > year

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun

> divides

> > > day

> > > > > and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and

> year

> > > are

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly

> in

> > > the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya

> > > varsha to

> > > > > be

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact

> > > replica

> > > > > of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Matsya Purana.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage

> Pulastya

> > > :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Verse-7 says :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day

> (of

> > > > > gods) "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one

> chaturyuga.

> > > Verses

> > > > > 15-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya

> (suraadinaam)

> > > > > varshas

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the

> > > ratio

> > > > > is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 852000 divya varshas =

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha "

> > > (verse

> > > > > 15-16) ;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage

> Shaunaka

> > > says

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as

> day

> > > of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra

> of

> > > gods.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans

> are

> > > one

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Varsha of Gods "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam "

> ,

> > > ie,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very

> divya

> > > > > year

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > (of 360 human years) "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane

> > > chaahanee

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

> > > > > dakshinaayana

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are

> > > called

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > (maanusha-loka) .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified

> his

> > > > > abusive

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one

> falsehood

> > > to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There

> are

> > > some

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal

> to

> > > one

> > > > > solar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil

> makes

> > > a

> > > > > mess

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due

> to

> > > his

> > > > > lack

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in

> > > indological

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts

> posing

> > > as

> > > > > an

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > ============ ========= == ===

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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Interesting, Rohini jee!

 

Sacred-Scared-Scarred – from infancy to adulthood, in that order!

Reverse gear when growing (or going!) back into childhood!

 

Wondering why the order has to do with soul-mind-body and then back from

body-mind-soul!!

 

Isn’t it all about reminiscences though! Of what we are meant to FACE!

 

Regards

Neelam

 

 

 

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