Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 Om Datta Guru Dear Ajit and all Jyotisha, That is a very brilliant question. Parasara indicates the Aho-Ratra concept. I will advise you to keep to Vimsottari dasa for the present, and write down this question in your diary for a later date. Don't worry about this now and you will know as we progress into other lessons on vimsottari dasa. For the present assume that Vimsottari is applicable in 100% charts. The silence in the list is showing that the lesson may have been a bit shocking to what you all thought about Vimsottari Dasa till now. Remember the day when I taught Moola Dasa..the Great Secret and showed you that there is more to Vimsottari than what you know. Please retreive those lessons and see for yourself the truth behind these secrets. With Best Wishes, Sanjay Rath - Ajit Krishnan <ajit <varahamihira > Sunday, July 23, 2000 9:53 AM Re: [sri Guru] Vimsottari Dasa Lesson#8 > OM namo narayanaya > > Dear Guru, > > " If birth is at day in Krishna Paksha ... or at night in Sukla Paksha " . > > What are the definitions of night & day? If Ashtottari dasa will be > applicable in about 25% of charts, then day/night must be 25% of a 24 > hour day. Dividing the day into four parts gives us 6am-noon, noon-6pm, > 6pm to midnight and midnight to 6am. So, naming the periods morning, > day, evening, night: day would be from noon-6pm and night from > midnight to 6am LMT? Is this correct? > > your sishya, > > ajit > > -- > Ajit Krishnan > ajit@(julian|engga).uwo.ca > http://publish.uwo.ca/~akrishna > > > ------ > Old school buds here: > http://click./1/7081/9/_/2192/_/964326210/ > ------ > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 Dear Mr.Ajit, 25% is not in that meaning. Out of the 100% people, Vimshottari dasa is applicable for 75% and Ashtothari dasa is applicable for 25% people. But, Gurudeva, I have one question. As per criteria, If day in Krishna Paksha and night in Shukla Paksha means, for 50% , Ashtothari is applicable. from the remaining 50%, if we consider Rahu in KendraKona from Pakalagna, the probability is 50%, that means 25% of the this portion will qualify for Ashtothari. So, overall 50 + 25, 75% will use Ashtotari and remaining 25% will use Vimshotati. Rather than 25 - 75 as per the lesson. It shows my understanding is wrong, please correct me. Thanks Your sisya Solai Kannan ajit [ajit]On Behalf Of Ajit KrishnanSunday, July 23, 2000 7:24 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: [sri Guru] Vimsottari Dasa Lesson#8 OM namo narayanayaDear Guru,"If birth is at day in Krishna Paksha ... or at night in Sukla Paksha".What are the definitions of night & day? If Ashtottari dasa will beapplicable in about 25% of charts, then day/night must be 25% of a 24hour day. Dividing the day into four parts gives us 6am-noon, noon-6pm,6pm to midnight and midnight to 6am. So, naming the periods morning,day, evening, night: day would be from noon-6pm and night frommidnight to 6am LMT? Is this correct?your sishya, ajit-- Ajit Krishnanajit@(julian|engga).uwo.cahttp://publish.uwo.ca/~akrishnaOM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Gurudeva, Pranaams. Should both criteria for Astottari apply to the chart or one suffices to switch to use of Astottari? Because my birth was during the night in Suklapaksha, but Rahu is in 3rd from Pakalagna (Sag). Your shishya, Gauranga das -----Eredeti üzenet----- Feladó: Solai Kannan <solai Címzett: <varahamihira > Elküldve: 2000. július 23. 8:23 Tárgy: RE: [sri Guru] Vimsottari Dasa Lesson#8 > Dear Mr.Ajit, > > 25% is not in that meaning. Out of the 100% people, Vimshottari dasa is > applicable for 75% and Ashtothari dasa is applicable for 25% people. > > But, Gurudeva, I have one question. > > As per criteria, If day in Krishna Paksha and night in Shukla Paksha means, > for 50% , Ashtothari is applicable. from the remaining 50%, if we consider > Rahu in KendraKona from Pakalagna, the probability is 50%, that means 25% of > the this portion will qualify for Ashtothari. So, overall 50 + 25, 75% will > use Ashtotari and remaining 25% will use Vimshotati. Rather than 25 - 75 as > per the lesson. > > It shows my understanding is wrong, please correct me. > > Thanks > Your sisya > Solai Kannan > > ajit [ajit]On Behalf Of Ajit Krishnan > Sunday, July 23, 2000 7:24 AM > varahamihira > Re: [sri Guru] Vimsottari Dasa Lesson#8 > > > OM namo narayanaya > > Dear Guru, > > " If birth is at day in Krishna Paksha ... or at night in Sukla Paksha " . > > What are the definitions of night & day? If Ashtottari dasa will be > applicable in about 25% of charts, then day/night must be 25% of a 24 > hour day. Dividing the day into four parts gives us 6am-noon, noon-6pm, > 6pm to midnight and midnight to 6am. So, naming the periods morning, > day, evening, night: day would be from noon-6pm and night from > midnight to 6am LMT? Is this correct? > > your sishya, > > ajit > > -- > Ajit Krishnan > ajit@(julian|engga).uwo.ca > http://publish.uwo.ca/~akrishna > > > ---------- > -- > > > > ---------- > -- > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 Om Datta Guru Dear Solai, Kshema is the 4th Star and Adhana is the 8th Star. With Best Wishes, Sanjay Rath - Solai Kannan <solai <varahamihira > Sunday, July 23, 2000 1:13 PM [sri Guru] Vimsottari Dasa Lesson#8 > 'OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH' > > Namaste Gurudeva, > > Utpanna Star is 5th from Moon star > > Then what is Kshema Star( Is it 4th from Moon star?) and Adhana star > represents? > > Please explain > > Thanks > Your sisya > Solai Kannan > > > > ------ > Special Offer-Earn 300 Points from MyPoints.com for trying @Backup > Get automatic protection and access to your important computer files. > Install today: > http://click./1/6347/9/_/2192/_/964339316/ > ------ > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 Om Datta Guru Dear Solai, As I said, have faith and I shall reveal this great knowledge to you all. Let us see the Mathematics. If we use the Paksha Criteria, then 50% are for Vimsottari and the other for 50% Ashtottari. Now, for Ashtottari the second criteria is not in EXCLUSION, but in INCLUSION. Thus, out of the 50%, another half (Kendra+Kona=6 signs out of 12) shall be excluded as rahu will not be in Kendra/Kona to Paka Lagna. Now 50% of 50% is 25% applicable for Vimsottari Dasa. Now please answer the simple questions given as the brain teasers and principles related questions will follow in the next lesson. With Best Wishes, Sanjay Rath - Solai Kannan <solai <varahamihira > Sunday, July 23, 2000 11:53 AM RE: [sri Guru] Vimsottari Dasa Lesson#8 > Dear Mr.Ajit, > > 25% is not in that meaning. Out of the 100% people, Vimshottari dasa is > applicable for 75% and Ashtothari dasa is applicable for 25% people. > > But, Gurudeva, I have one question. > > As per criteria, If day in Krishna Paksha and night in Shukla Paksha means, > for 50% , Ashtothari is applicable. from the remaining 50%, if we consider > Rahu in KendraKona from Pakalagna, the probability is 50%, that means 25% of > the this portion will qualify for Ashtothari. So, overall 50 + 25, 75% will > use Ashtotari and remaining 25% will use Vimshotati. Rather than 25 - 75 as > per the lesson. > > It shows my understanding is wrong, please correct me. > > Thanks > Your sisya > Solai Kannan > > ajit [ajit]On Behalf Of Ajit Krishnan > Sunday, July 23, 2000 7:24 AM > varahamihira > Re: [sri Guru] Vimsottari Dasa Lesson#8 > > > OM namo narayanaya > > Dear Guru, > > " If birth is at day in Krishna Paksha ... or at night in Sukla Paksha " . > > What are the definitions of night & day? If Ashtottari dasa will be > applicable in about 25% of charts, then day/night must be 25% of a 24 > hour day. Dividing the day into four parts gives us 6am-noon, noon-6pm, > 6pm to midnight and midnight to 6am. So, naming the periods morning, > day, evening, night: day would be from noon-6pm and night from > midnight to 6am LMT? Is this correct? > > your sishya, > > ajit > > -- > Ajit Krishnan > ajit@(julian|engga).uwo.ca > http://publish.uwo.ca/~akrishna > > > -------- -- > -- > > > > -------- -- > -- > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2000 Report Share Posted July 24, 2000 OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH Pranam Gurudeva, I have my complete 100% faith on you. As I mentioned, my only joy after say 20years is my association with you, SJVC and Varahamihira group. I am not writing this to please you. It is truth like my faith on you. My intention is not to doubt your statement. But, to make myself clear. I didn't want to raise this point as the lesson is for Vimshotari dasa, but, as Ajit has touched the point I wanted to ask you about Ashtottari. Still, I am not clear in the applicability. Forgive me for my ignorance. If the 2nd criteria is inclusive, then also it must be 50% Only when we say 1st *and* 2nd criteria, then it will be 25% applies Ashtotari dasa. But, in the lesson it is given as "....If either of (1) or (2) above is not applicable, then use Vimsottari dasa, else apply Ashtottari dasa...." Please bear with me and clarify. Thanks Your sisya Solai Kannan Sanjay Rath [srath]Sunday, July 23, 2000 8:34 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: [sri Guru] Vimsottari Dasa Lesson#8Om Datta GuruDear Solai, As I said, have faith and I shall reveal this great knowledge to youall. Let us see the Mathematics. If we use the Paksha Criteria, then 50% arefor Vimsottari and the other for 50% Ashtottari. Now, for Ashtottari the second criteria is not in EXCLUSION, but inINCLUSION. Thus, out of the 50%, another half (Kendra+Kona=6 signs out of12) shall be excluded as rahu will not be in Kendra/Kona to Paka Lagna. Now50% of 50% is 25% applicable for Vimsottari Dasa. Now please answer the simple questions given as the brain teasers andprinciples related questions will follow in the next lesson.With Best Wishes,Sanjay Rath-Solai Kannan <solai<varahamihira >Sunday, July 23, 2000 11:53 AMRE: [sri Guru] Vimsottari Dasa Lesson#8> Dear Mr.Ajit,>> 25% is not in that meaning. Out of the 100% people, Vimshottari dasa is> applicable for 75% and Ashtothari dasa is applicable for 25% people.>> But, Gurudeva, I have one question.>> As per criteria, If day in Krishna Paksha and night in Shukla Pakshameans,> for 50% , Ashtothari is applicable. from the remaining 50%, if we consider> Rahu in KendraKona from Pakalagna, the probability is 50%, that means 25%of> the this portion will qualify for Ashtothari. So, overall 50 + 25, 75%will> use Ashtotari and remaining 25% will use Vimshotati. Rather than 25 - 75as> per the lesson.>> It shows my understanding is wrong, please correct me.>> Thanks> Your sisya> Solai Kannan> > ajit [ajit]On Behalf Of Ajit Krishnan> Sunday, July 23, 2000 7:24 AM> varahamihira > Re: [sri Guru] Vimsottari Dasa Lesson#8>>> OM namo narayanaya>> Dear Guru,>> "If birth is at day in Krishna Paksha ... or at night in Sukla Paksha".>> What are the definitions of night & day? If Ashtottari dasa will be> applicable in about 25% of charts, then day/night must be 25% of a 24> hour day. Dividing the day into four parts gives us 6am-noon, noon-6pm,> 6pm to midnight and midnight to 6am. So, naming the periods morning,> day, evening, night: day would be from noon-6pm and night from> midnight to 6am LMT? Is this correct?>> your sishya,>> ajit>> --> Ajit Krishnan> ajit@(julian|engga).uwo.ca> http://publish.uwo.ca/~akrishna>>> ----------> -->>>> ----------> --> OM TAT SAT> Archive: varahamihira> Info: varahamihira/info.html>>>OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2000 Report Share Posted July 24, 2000 Dear Ajit, Namaste, Jaya Jagannath!> "If birth is at day in Krishna Paksha ... or at night in Sukla Paksha".>> What are the definitions of night & day? If Ashtottari dasa will be> applicable in about 25% of charts, then day/night must be 25% of a 24> hour day. Dividing the day into four parts gives us 6am-noon, noon-6pm,> 6pm to midnight and midnight to 6am. So, naming the periods morning,> day, evening, night: day would be from noon-6pm and night from> midnight to 6am LMT? Is this correct?> No, it is not. Both of the criteria must be fulfilled. The trines and quadrants criteria gives 6 signs out of 12 which gives 50% of the cases. And the night-day criteria gives another 50%. So it gives 25% put together. But still I had the similar question to our Gurudev as to whether the night and day should be counted w.r.t. sunrise/sunset or 6 am LMT? regards, Yasomatinandana das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2000 Report Share Posted July 25, 2000 Still, I am not clear in the applicability. Forgive me for my ignorance. If the 2nd criteria is inclusive, then also it must be 50% Only when we say 1st *and* 2nd criteria, then it will be 25% applies Ashtotari dasa. But, in the lesson it is given as " ....If either of (1) or (2) above is not applicable, then use Vimsottari dasa, else apply Ashtottari dasa.... " Namathe Gurudeva Sanjay, Me to having 2nd part of this question. Can we change it as " If both 1 and 2 above is not applicable then use Vimsottari dasa.) ?? Hare Krishna Your Sishya Karu Please bear with me and clarify. Thanks Your sisya Solai Kannan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2000 Report Share Posted July 27, 2000 BTW it just occurred to me that rahu in kendras from paka lagna - the probability is 33.333% rather than 50%, since only 4 of the 12 houses from paka lagna meet this criteria. - Solai Kannan varahamihira Sunday, July 23, 2000 7:23 AM RE: [sri Guru] Vimsottari Dasa Lesson#8 Dear Mr.Ajit, 25% is not in that meaning. Out of the 100% people, Vimshottari dasa is applicable for 75% and Ashtothari dasa is applicable for 25% people. But, Gurudeva, I have one question. As per criteria, If day in Krishna Paksha and night in Shukla Paksha means, for 50% , Ashtothari is applicable. from the remaining 50%, if we consider Rahu in KendraKona from Pakalagna, the probability is 50%, that means 25% of the this portion will qualify for Ashtothari. So, overall 50 + 25, 75% will use Ashtotari and remaining 25% will use Vimshotati. Rather than 25 - 75 as per the lesson. It shows my understanding is wrong, please correct me. Thanks Your sisya Solai Kannan ajit [ajit]On Behalf Of Ajit KrishnanSunday, July 23, 2000 7:24 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: [sri Guru] Vimsottari Dasa Lesson#8 OM namo narayanayaDear Guru,"If birth is at day in Krishna Paksha ... or at night in Sukla Paksha".What are the definitions of night & day? If Ashtottari dasa will beapplicable in about 25% of charts, then day/night must be 25% of a 24hour day. Dividing the day into four parts gives us 6am-noon, noon-6pm,6pm to midnight and midnight to 6am. So, naming the periods morning,day, evening, night: day would be from noon-6pm and night frommidnight to 6am LMT? Is this correct?your sishya, ajit-- Ajit Krishnanajit@(julian|engga).uwo.cahttp://publish.uwo.ca/~akrishnaOM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.htmlOM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2000 Report Share Posted July 27, 2000 Dear Nimmi, > BTW it just occurred to me that rahu in kendras from > paka lagna - the probability is 33.333% rather than 50%, > since only 4 of the 12 houses from paka lagna meet this > criteria. Nope, the criterion says " kendra or kona " . So count trines also. There are 4 quadrants (1st, 4th, 7th and 10th) and 3 trines (1st, 5th and 9th). Counting 1st only once, we get 6 rasis. That is 50% of 12. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2000 Report Share Posted July 29, 2000 Thanks Narasimha, I did not know that. - Narasimha Rao <pvr <varahamihira > Thursday, July 27, 2000 6:38 AM [sri Guru] Re: Vimsottari Dasa Lesson#8 > > Dear Nimmi, > > > BTW it just occurred to me that rahu in kendras from > > paka lagna - the probability is 33.333% rather than 50%, > > since only 4 of the 12 houses from paka lagna meet this > > criteria. > > Nope, the criterion says " kendra or kona " . So count trines > also. There are 4 quadrants (1st, 4th, 7th and 10th) and 3 > trines (1st, 5th and 9th). Counting 1st only once, we get > 6 rasis. That is 50% of 12. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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