[Jagannath] Suicide Case - Narayana Dasa

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Jaya Jagannath

Dear Narasimha,

Pisces is ruled by Jupiter that indicates great sorrow/ not eating at

the time of death or suicide or " Iccha Mrityu " . Ketu aspecting shows that a

mistake was the cause of death and Rahu's aspect gives bad circumstances of

death...Just to add a few points to your excellent arguments.

What is the role of the brother? If he is the elder, then we see the

11th from AL in the reverse and get Pisces....Now you know why he is moving

around with the chart trying to find a possible answer.

Om Tat Sat

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

-

Narasimha Rao <pvr

<vedic astrology >

Cc: <varahamihira >

Thursday, February 10, 2000 12:04 AM

[Jagannath] Re: Suicide Case - Narayana Dasa

 

 

>

>

>

> Namaste Brendan,

>

> > Namaste Narasimha, I'm submitting this case using n-dasa first. Will

submit

> > it using Mandooka dasa and Shoola dasa in next few days. Your guidance

would

> > be much appreciated here, esp in calculations and also with your

> > intrepretation or comments on why event happened using n-dasa.

> >

> > This native committed sucide on April 6, 1988. Birth info: Dec 7, 1954,

2:13

> > AM, Minneapolis, MN (Time Zone 6:00 hrs, 93w15, 44n58). I received the

data

> > from her brother some years ago at an astrological conference. She was

in

> > Moon/Ketu/Rahu/Moon in Vimshotari dasa at the time of the event and a

> > noteworthy transit was Jupiter over her Moon within a degree.

>

> Before we proceed, let us first conduct a sanity check on the reliability

of the

> data!

>

> (1) The 3rd house from AL (arudha lagna) in rasi chart shows the broad

> circumstances of death. For example, 3rd from AL in Pi may give death

related to

> water (e.g. falling in a sea or river). More importantly,

aspect/conjunction of

> a malefic like Mars or Rahu is necessary for a violent death. Here 3rd

from AL

> is Pi and it has aspects of debilitated Rahu and Ketu (from Sg and Ge

> respectively). That can give a violent death.

>

> (2) End of the physical existence is best reflected in Rudramsa (D-11).

The 8th

> house in it shows how Rudra destroys the longevity of the native. For a

violent

> end, 8th in D-11 (or lagna in D-11) must be under malefic influences. Here

D-11

> has lagna in Ta. The 8th house (Sg) has Rahu and the 2nd (Ge) has Saturn

and

> Ketu. Mars (7th lord) aspects both. So, Mars, Saturn and nodes are all

involved

> with 2nd/8th axis. This can give a violent end.

>

> (3) Suicide may come after a lot of mental turmoil and suffering. Such

internal

> suffering is shown in D-30. In fact, D-30 is an important chart for seeing

> mental disorders and vulnerabilities. It shows suffering, disease and

> abnormality in the subconscious plane.

>

> Here Moon is with nodes in Sg! Saturn and 8th lord Venus aspect them from

in Ge.

> All the planets aspect lagna. They also aspect lagna lord and an extremely

> strong 7th lord, who are together in 7th (house of death). So key houses

and

> Moon are badly afflicted by Saturn and nodes. This can give death after a

lot of

> turmoil.

>

> So the birthdata passes the basic sanity checks and we can proceed

further.

>

> > Narayana Dasha applied to D-1

> >

> > Vi is stronger than Pi (Me has advanced more degrees than Jupiter), so

start

> > from Vi. Forward direction and progression is 1st, 5th, 9th, etc.

> >

> > Vi 11 - 1 = 10 yrs, 12/54 - 12/64

> > Cp 4 - 1 + 1 = 4 yrs, 12/64 - 12/68

> > Ta 6 - 1 = 5 yrs, 12/68 - 12/73

> > Ge 6 - 1 = 5 yrs, 12/73 - 12/78

> > Li 12 = 12 yrs 12/78 - 12/90

> >

> > Antaradasa for L: Li stronger than Ar as AK is in Li. Zodiacial and

> > progression is regular.

> >

> > Li/Li 12 mos 17/78 - 12/79

> > ........... etc

> > Li/Cn 12/87 - 12/88

> >

> > Pratyantara for event is Li/Cn/Cn.

> >

> > Why do Libra and Cancer become powerful maraka dasas in this case?

> > - Jupiter, a maraka planet for the chart, is lord of Mrityu pada. Its

> > dispositor is in the 8th house.

> > - The AK is placed in Li and the GK (Mars) who is a potent malefic for

this

> > chart aspects Li and Cn.

> > - Note the exchange between A2 and A11?

>

> More importantly, remember the *basics*!

>

> The 3rd and 8th houses are the houses of longevity. If they are *weak*,

> longevity is troubled. OTOH, the 2nd and 7th houses are the houses of

death. If

> they are *strong*, longevity is troubled. Parasara is very clear that 2nd

and

> 7th are the most important killer houses.

>

> Here Li is the 2nd house and it is occupied by its lord and exalted 6th

lord.

> (Still it is not a very strong candidate for giving death. A sign with an

> exalted atma karaka and jeevana karaka Saturn may not give death.)

>

> Jupiter owns the other killer house - 7th. He is also Maheswara in this

chart.

> He is exalted in Cn. Moreover, as you say, lord of Cn is in 8th. In fact,

Cn

> stands out as a killer house. Sg with Rahu and mrityu pada is another good

> candidate and the other candidate is Pi. Pi is 7th from lagna and 3rd from

AL.

> It is another strong candidate. In fact, Libra is less of a candidate than

these

> three, despite being a strong 2nd house.

>

> One more comment: Narayana dasa is a phalita dasa. Ayur dasas show death

better.

> Narayana dasa shows sustenance just as Narayana stands for sustenance

among the

> Trinity. However, shades of death may be visible in one's sustenance

before

> death, if it a suicide. In such cases, Narayana dasa may show death.

Otherwise,

> don't use Narayana dasa at all. Use shoola dasa etc. Shiva (who uses

shoola as a

> weapon) rules over death and Narayana rules over sustenance.

>

> > D30 - Narayana dasa

> > Expunge 12, 6 remains and the 6th lord is Saturn. Saturn is in Ge. Start

D-30

> > n-dasa from Ge or Sg.

> > Saturn is AK so start from Ge. Anti-zodiacial and progression is 1, 5,

9.

>

> To my knowledge, AK's presence (rule 1 of strength) is used in dasas that

use AK

> (for example, " Atma Karaka Kendradi Rasi Dasa " ). So Sg with 3 planets is

> stronger than Ge with 2 planets. Start dasas from Sg and not Ge.

>

> Even if you take Ge, your calculations are wrong. Because Ge has Saturn,

" Saturn

> exception " applies. Instead of going as Ge, Aq, Li, Vi, Ta, Cp etc, dasas

go as

> Ge, Cn, Le, Vi, Li etc. Saturn in dasa start sign makes dasas go in the

regular

> order (Ar, Ta, Ge etc). Ketu in dasa start sign reverses the order (if it

is Sg,

> Le, Ar, Pi, Sc, Cn etc, it becomes Sg, Ar, Le, Vi, Cp, Ta etc with Ketu in

Sg).

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

> > Ge 4 - 1 = 3 yrs 12/54 - 12/57

> > Aq 9 - 1 = 8 yrs 12/57 - 12/65

> > Li 9 - 1 = 8 yrs 12/65 - 12/73

> > Vi 12 - 0 = 12 yrs 12/73 - 12/85

> > Ta 2 - 1 = 1 yrs 12/85 - 12/86

> > Cp 8 - 1 = 7 yrs 12/86 - 12/93

> >

> > Event in Cp dasa. Antaradasas of Cp: Cp is stronger, Saturn is in Ge, so

> > start dasa from there.

> > Cp/Ge 12/86 - 7/87

> > Cp/Cn 7/87 - 2/88

> > Cp/Le 2/88 - 9/88 - Event

> >

> > Pratyantara dasha in Cp/Le: Aq is stronger, Saturn is in Ge, start from

Ge.

> >

> > Ge 2/4/88 - 2/21/88

> > Cn 2/21/88 - 3/10/88

> > Le 3/10/88 - 3/27/88

> > Vi 3/27/88 - 4/14/88 - Event

> >

> > Sookshma-antardasa in Cp/Le/Vi: Vi is stronger, Mercury placed in Vi, so

> > start there.

> >

> > Vi, Li, Sc, Sg, Cp, Aq, Pi.

> > Using RDD, Pi ran 4/5/88 - 4/7/88

> >

> > So narayana dasha for D-30 was Cp/Le/Vi/Pi

> >

> > Why is this dasha in D-30 troublesome???

> > Some observations. Please comment!

> > - Note dasa/bhukti is 8th/3rd from AK.

> > - Sun is natural significator of Atma and is placed in 1st house as lord

of

> > 8th, and lord of 6th from lagna.

> > - AK is lord of Cp dasa and is conjoined with 8th lord and aspected by

Rahu,

> > Ketu &

> > - Moon from Sg, and Mercury and Jupiter from Vi, both marakas in this

chart.

> > Saturn is also lord of Mrityu pada.

> >

> > Regards, Brendan

>

>

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