Guest guest Posted September 16, 1999 Report Share Posted September 16, 1999 Om Namah Gurudevayah Namskar Gurudev, I kept silence till now as I was trying to learn from the discussions going on in this forum. As far as natural and temporary significations are concerned I shall try to answer them. The natural benefics are: Jupiter, Venus, Strong Moon and well associted Mercury whereas the natural maalefics are- Saturn, Mars, Badly associted Mercury and weak Moon. But the nature of the significtors get modified when they own some particular houses. These are the functional or temporary significttions. The lord of the dusthanas(6/8/12) are the malefics so as the lord of the trik(3/6/11).The lord of the kendras(4/7/10) excepting the lagna kendra when happened to be natural benefic act as mlefics (due to kendradhipatya dosha) and vice versa i.e., the malefics act as benefics. The benefics are the lords of the remaining houses i.e., the lagna lord, the 5th lord(but it gives mixed result if it also owns a bad house, the 9th lord (it is always benefic even it also owns a bad house. The 2nd and 7th lords are the marakas(death inflicting planets). There are some planets which are termed as yogakaaraka, they are the owners of both kendra (1,4,7,10) and Trikona (1,5,9). The 12th and the 2nd lord express themselves according to the significations of the house they are placed in and the planets they are associated with. While considering the functional significations we must not forget the natural significations of the planet. It is like a person having an specific inherent nature (his personal self)and he is acting in a different way under different circumstances\situations. Thus the result a planet gives in his/her dasa is based on both the natural as well as the functional significations. MAY GURUDEV THROW SOME LIGHT AND GIVE SOME ILLUSTRATIONS Your shishya Sarajit " Sanjay Rath " <varahamihira wrote: > ------------ > Attachment: > MIME Type: multipart/alternative > ------------ JAYA JAGANNATH Dear YND, I cannot answer so many questions daily. Gauranga, Sarat, Mani, Dinath Prabhu, please attempt a few and give your views. I find that Sarajit is also very quiet. Can we hear your views on this please? Hare Rama Krishna Sanjay Rath - YND Varahamihira Wednesday, September 15, 1999 7:27 PM Natural / Temporal siginifications Dear Gurudev, Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath! By your grace the difference between rashis and grahas became clear. Now another ABC question comes for me: how to understand the difference between natural and temporal significations. Sometimes natural significators indicate good results but the temporal give bad ones - what to infer from this? It would be very helpful if you again can give some analogy. I don't have clear picture here and feel that cannot progress much in my understanding without it. Your sisya Yasomatinandana das ---------- ---- Click Here! eGroups.com home: varahamihira www. - Simplifying group communications ------ MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. Start with up to 150 Points for joining! http://clickhere./click/805 eGroups.com home: varahamihira - Simplifying group communications __________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 1999 Report Share Posted September 17, 1999 Aum Gurudevayah Namah Namaskar all of you I am putting forward another perspective to this issue! This is according to the lord ship of the planets of different houses in the rasi chart. They are Atmakaraka - 1st lord Amatyakaraka - Bhatrukaraka - 3rd lord Matrukaraka - 4th lord Pitrukaraka - 9th lord Putrakaraka - 5th lord Gyantikaraka - Darakaraka - 7th lord Please give your views and fill up the left lords as I can't recollect it now. The effect on the significations are also to be studied from the above lords along with the naisargika and charakarakas. Regards Sarajit " J. Sarat Chander " <jsarat wrote: Jai Jai Shri Jagannath Om Ganeshaya Namah Dear Saanjayji and YND, I am sorry I couldn't reply for long due to pre-occupations and pressures of work. I find that Shri Sarajit has already attempted the reply to this mail. However, here's what I need to add. Natural Significators - According to standard texts each planet has been given a karakatwa meaning what it primarily represents or signifies. The standard sanskrit words are " Naisargika Karaka " where " Naisargika " means natural and " Karaka " means significator or what it symbolizes. In the natural zodiac of the Kalapurusha these planets hold these natural siginification. However, when individual horoscopes are made the karakatwa of the planets change in accordance with their respective longitudes. This does not alter their basic natural (Naisargik) qualities though. They become relative to a certain karakatwa in different individual charts and this is called 'Temporary significators' or Chara Karaka in sanskrit. Most people adopt a seven planet karakatwa pattern i.e., from Sun to Saturn excluding Rahu. However, the most effective karakatwa scheme recommended by Maharishi Parasara and Jaimini and that followed by Sanjayji himself and as taught to us, is to follow the 8 planet karakatwa scheme which includes Rahu too. The 8 karakatwas and their natural significators (Naisargik Karakas) are:- (1) Atmakarak (Sun) (2) Amatyakarak (Moon as it is Vishnu who takes care of us and it is the mother who takes care of child till it becomes strong enough) (3) Bhratrukarak (Mars) (Bhratrukarak is also known as Gurukarak) (4) Matrikarak (Moon) (5) Pitrikarak (Saturn) (6) Putrakarak (Jupiter) (7) Gnatikarak (Mercury), and (8) Darakarak (Venus) for spouse. The temporal signification or the chara karakatwa in the individual natal charts change according to the degrees attained by each of the planets - beginning with the planet obtaining the highest degree becoming the Atmakarak and going downwards to Darakarak. The effects of these charakarakas are to be studied from their respective placements in the chart as also in relation to their placement from the natural significators. For example: Moon represents the mother and generally speaking, the placement of Moon itself will reveal a lot of things about mother. However, the effects/results get modified also in terms with the placement of the chara matrikaraka in the chart, both in terms of the placement of the chara matrikaraka in the chart as also with its placement relationship with the naisargik matrikarak. For the time being this would suffice. Any further questions, please do not hesitate to come back. Regards, Yours, Sarat. > " Sanjay Rath " <varahamihira >varahamihira > " Sarajit Poddar " <sarajit_poddar, ><varahamihira > > Re: Natural / Temporal siginifications >Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:40:37 +0530 > >JAYA JAGANNATH >Dear YND, > I cannot answer so many questions daily. Gauranga, Sarat, Mani, Dinath >Prabhu, please attempt a few and give your views. I find that Sarajit is >also very quiet. Can we hear your views on this please? >Hare Rama Krishna >Sanjay Rath >- >YND >Varahamihira >Wednesday, September 15, 1999 7:27 PM > Natural / Temporal siginifications > > >Dear Gurudev, >Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath! > >By your grace the difference between rashis and grahas became clear. Now >another ABC question comes for me: how to understand the difference between >natural and temporal significations. Sometimes natural significators >indicate good results but the temporal give bad ones - what to infer from >this? It would be very helpful if you again can give some analogy. > >I don't have clear picture here and feel that cannot progress much in my >understanding without it. > >Your sisya >Yasomatinandana das > >---------- >---- > > >Click Here! >eGroups.com home: varahamihira >www. - Simplifying group communications > > > >------ >MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. >Start with up to 150 Points for joining! >http://clickhere./click/805 > > >eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > ____ ------ 250 FREE HOURS on America Online! America's most popular online service! Try AOL *risk free* for 250 HOURS! CLICK HERE http://clickhere./click/912 eGroups.com home: varahamihira - Simplifying group communications __________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 1999 Report Share Posted September 18, 1999 Jai Jai Shri Jagannath Om Ganeshaya Namah Dear Sarajit, Amatyakaraka is the 2nd Lord. The 2nd Lord is Vishnu and he is the PALANKARTA - the who takes care. He is the sustainer of the Lagna and it is he who provides food for the Lagna i.e., the air we breathe, the water we drink etc., - the five tattwas which we need to be alive. It is he who provides them and the day he takes away even one of these, the Lagna cannot sustain itself. Gnatikaraka - The 4th lord who is seen for Mother is also seen for Gnatikaraka. The fundamental, I think, is our first relationship comes from Mother from whom the subsequent relationships follow. I don't know whether I am right. Sanjayji, please correct me if I am wrong and also elaborate if need be. Regards, Yours, Sarat. >Sarajit Poddar <sarajit >varahamihira >varahamihira > Re: [ Natural / Temporal siginifications] >17 Sep 99 12:27:57 MDT > >Aum Gurudevayah Namah >Namaskar all of you > >I am putting forward another perspective to this issue! This is according >to >the lord ship of the planets of different houses in the rasi chart. They >are > >Atmakaraka - 1st lord >Amatyakaraka - >Bhatrukaraka - 3rd lord >Matrukaraka - 4th lord >Pitrukaraka - 9th lord >Putrakaraka - 5th lord >Gyantikaraka - >Darakaraka - 7th lord > >Please give your views and fill up the left lords as I can't recollect it >now. >The effect on the significations are also to be studied from the above >lords >along with the naisargika and charakarakas. > >Regards > >Sarajit > > " J. Sarat Chander " <jsarat wrote: >Jai Jai Shri Jagannath Om Ganeshaya Namah > >Dear Saanjayji and YND, > >I am sorry I couldn't reply for long due to pre-occupations and pressures >of >work. I find that Shri Sarajit has already attempted the reply to this >mail. However, here's what I need to add. > >Natural Significators - According to standard texts each planet has been >given a karakatwa meaning what it primarily represents or signifies. The >standard sanskrit words are " Naisargika Karaka " where " Naisargika " means >natural and " Karaka " means significator or what it symbolizes. In the >natural zodiac of the Kalapurusha these planets hold these natural >siginification. However, when individual horoscopes are made the karakatwa >of the planets change in accordance with their respective longitudes. This >does not alter their basic natural (Naisargik) qualities though. They >become relative to a certain karakatwa in different individual charts and >this is called 'Temporary significators' or Chara Karaka in sanskrit. > >Most people adopt a seven planet karakatwa pattern i.e., from Sun to Saturn >excluding Rahu. However, the most effective karakatwa scheme recommended >by >Maharishi Parasara and Jaimini and that followed by Sanjayji himself and as >taught to us, is to follow the 8 planet karakatwa scheme which includes >Rahu >too. The 8 karakatwas and their natural significators (Naisargik Karakas) >are:- > >(1) Atmakarak (Sun) >(2) Amatyakarak (Moon as it is Vishnu who takes care of us and it is the >mother who takes care of child till it becomes strong enough) >(3) Bhratrukarak (Mars) (Bhratrukarak is also known as Gurukarak) (4) >Matrikarak (Moon) >(5) Pitrikarak (Saturn) >(6) Putrakarak (Jupiter) >(7) Gnatikarak (Mercury), and >(8) Darakarak (Venus) for spouse. > >The temporal signification or the chara karakatwa in the individual natal >charts change according to the degrees attained by each of the planets - >beginning with the planet obtaining the highest degree becoming the >Atmakarak and going downwards to Darakarak. > >The effects of these charakarakas are to be studied from their respective >placements in the chart as also in relation to their placement from the >natural significators. For example: Moon represents the mother and >generally speaking, the placement of Moon itself will reveal a lot of >things >about mother. However, the effects/results get modified also in terms with >the placement of the chara matrikaraka in the chart, both in terms of the >placement of the chara matrikaraka in the chart as also with its placement >relationship with the naisargik matrikarak. > >For the time being this would suffice. Any further questions, please do >not >hesitate to come back. > >Regards, >Yours, >Sarat. > > > " Sanjay Rath " <varahamihira > >varahamihira > > " Sarajit Poddar " <sarajit_poddar, > ><varahamihira > > > Re: Natural / Temporal siginifications > >Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:40:37 +0530 > > > >JAYA JAGANNATH > >Dear YND, > > I cannot answer so many questions daily. Gauranga, Sarat, Mani, >Dinath > >Prabhu, please attempt a few and give your views. I find that Sarajit is > >also very quiet. Can we hear your views on this please? > >Hare Rama Krishna > >Sanjay Rath > >- > >YND > >Varahamihira > >Wednesday, September 15, 1999 7:27 PM > > Natural / Temporal siginifications > > > > > >Dear Gurudev, > >Hare Krishna. Jaya Jagannath! > > > >By your grace the difference between rashis and grahas became clear. Now > >another ABC question comes for me: how to understand the difference >between > >natural and temporal significations. Sometimes natural significators > >indicate good results but the temporal give bad ones - what to infer from > >this? It would be very helpful if you again can give some analogy. > > > >I don't have clear picture here and feel that cannot progress much in my > >understanding without it. > > > >Your sisya > >Yasomatinandana das > > > >---------- > >---- > > > > > >Click Here! > >eGroups.com home: varahamihira > >www. - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > >------ > >MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. > >Start with up to 150 Points for joining! > >http://clickhere./click/805 > > > > > >eGroups.com home: varahamihira > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > >____ > >------ >250 FREE HOURS on America Online! America's most popular online >service! Try AOL *risk free* for 250 HOURS! >CLICK HERE http://clickhere./click/912 > > > >eGroups.com home: varahamihira > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > >__________________ >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > >------ >250 FREE HOURS on America Online! 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