Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Dear vistiji , namaskar, Please guide me about bhava chalit. 1st of all if there are any text and recording of yours then please send me a link. Now say if a planet Lagnesha or atmakaraka has changed house in chalit the arudha Lagna or other lagna will change . shall we take rashi chakra arudha lagna for judgment or we shall consider chalit chakra arudha lagna. regards protimesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 DEAR VISTIJI,could you plz explain the same process for this chart as in this case,jup. is in 6th house in rasi chart n 7th in bhava chart and sun is in 11 house in rasi n 12th in bhava chart?details: dob:12/aug/1986 place:gwalior(madhya pradesh)india 78 E10 ' 00",26 N 13' 00" TIME:08:43 AM WAITING FOR YOUR REPLY THANKS Visti Larsen <visti Sent: Tuesday, 17 March, 2009 12:00:52 AMRe: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Bhava chalit हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£Dear Somnath, Namaskar.What you say is not the case.The BhÄva Chakra is used in this tradition, but its usage is clearly differentiated from the use of the normal RÄÅ›i or Bhava chakra. Note the difference in wording between Bhava (short a) and BhÄva (long Ä). The former refers to the RÄÅ›is and the latter to the houses. The BhÄva chakra is drawn with reference to the Lagna degree and spans fifteen degrees before and after the specific degree, regardless of the boundaries of the RÄÅ›is. Herein we define the first use of this chakra, namely that it disregards the creation that God has founded. Therefore also the use of the BhÄva chakra is a self-centric view of the universe from the perspective of the individual but it is not true as it disregards what God has created... the RÄÅ›is. Draw all the following house boundaries the same way that you did the boundaries of the Lagna. With this you may get a completely new chart, where the Grahas may fall in a BhÄva before or after the initial placement. If the Lagna is closer to the middle of the sign (fifteen degrees) the differences between the BhÄva chakra and the Bhava chakra (again notice the short a) may not exist. This leads us to the second definition of the BhÄva chakra. The close the Lagna is to the beginning or end of the sign, the more the personal perception of the native differs from the actual reality indicated in the RÄÅ›is. This is due to a flaw in the natives intelligence from past lives, and can be corrected by reciting the Gayatri Mantra. Hence this is the best remedy for all flaws in the intelligence. For this reason also the placement of the Lagna in Sandhi or Gaṇá¸Änta is considered highly inauspicious. As a difference exists between the perception and reality in this case, the native due to their perception may act in a way which is detrimental towards other aspects of their life. Here is given the chart of Marilyn Monroe (1st June 1926, 9:30 AM, 118:15 West, 34:4 North). In the BhÄva Chalit Chakra given on the far right, the only difference existing is the placement of Jupiter in the eighth vs. seventh house. This makes up for a significant change in our predictions for Ms. Monroe. In her RÄÅ›i chart the ninth lord is in the eighth house which should give effects of: bhÄgyahÄ«na (devoid of fortune including problems in marriage especially for ladies) and jyeá¹£á¹habhrÄtá¹›sukhaá¹ naiva (devoid of happiness from elder brother). This is what is supposed to happen. But now see that in the bhÄva chakra that Jupiter has gone to the seventh house. The effects which she will perceive to be true are: dÄrayogÄt sukhodaya (happiness upon marriage), guṇavÄn (endowed with virtues) and kÄ«rtimÄn (endowed with fame). Whilst she did get fame on account of ninth lord joined the tenth lord Mars in the eighth house, the problem is that she was confident that this had to be defined by her relationships (seventh house). As a result of which she got married thrice and it was even suspected that one such relationship was the cause of her demise due to an affair (Jupiter-married man). I hope this clarifies the use of the BhÄva Chalit Chakra.Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen----------Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: www: http://srigaruda.com@: vistiSomnath skrev: Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya. Om Namo Narayanaya Namaha.In the methods/principles enunciated by SJC, I read somewhere that Bhava/Chalit concepts are not something we consider. This means Rasi = Bhava. So if you are using the methods and principles of SJC, you simply consider Rasi = Bhava for all computations of Arudhas, Varnadas etc. This is my understanding. I believe PVR Narasimharao states this quite clearly in his book. I am open to correction in my understanding.SomnathOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya. Om Namo Narayanaya Namaha. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 DEAR VISTIJI,PLZ EXPLAIN THE ANALYSIS?I AM WAITING FOR THAT? THANKS pankaj bansal <pankaj_bansal19 Sent: Tuesday, 17 March, 2009 12:43:15 AMRe: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Bhava chalit DEAR VISTIJI,could you plz explain the same process for this chart as in this case,jup. is in 6th house in rasi chart n 7th in bhava chart and sun is in 11 house in rasi n 12th in bhava chart?details: dob:12/aug/1986 place:gwalior(madhya pradesh)india 78 E10 ' 00",26 N 13' 00" TIME:08:43 AM WAITING FOR YOUR REPLY THANKS Visti Larsen <visti Sent: Tuesday, 17 March, 2009 12:00:52 AMRe: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Bhava chalit हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£Dear Somnath, Namaskar.What you say is not the case.The BhÄva Chakra is used in this tradition, but its usage is clearly differentiated from the use of the normal RÄÅ›i or Bhava chakra. Note the difference in wording between Bhava (short a) and BhÄva (long Ä). The former refers to the RÄÅ›is and the latter to the houses. The BhÄva chakra is drawn with reference to the Lagna degree and spans fifteen degrees before and after the specific degree, regardless of the boundaries of the RÄÅ›is. Herein we define the first use of this chakra, namely that it disregards the creation that God has founded. Therefore also the use of the BhÄva chakra is a self-centric view of the universe from the perspective of the individual but it is not true as it disregards what God has created... the RÄÅ›is. Draw all the following house boundaries the same way that you did the boundaries of the Lagna. With this you may get a completely new chart, where the Grahas may fall in a BhÄva before or after the initial placement. If the Lagna is closer to the middle of the sign (fifteen degrees) the differences between the BhÄva chakra and the Bhava chakra (again notice the short a) may not exist. This leads us to the second definition of the BhÄva chakra. The close the Lagna is to the beginning or end of the sign, the more the personal perception of the native differs from the actual reality indicated in the RÄÅ›is. This is due to a flaw in the natives intelligence from past lives, and can be corrected by reciting the Gayatri Mantra. Hence this is the best remedy for all flaws in the intelligence. For this reason also the placement of the Lagna in Sandhi or Gaṇá¸Änta is considered highly inauspicious. As a difference exists between the perception and reality in this case, the native due to their perception may act in a way which is detrimental towards other aspects of their life. Here is given the chart of Marilyn Monroe (1st June 1926, 9:30 AM, 118:15 West, 34:4 North). In the BhÄva Chalit Chakra given on the far right, the only difference existing is the placement of Jupiter in the eighth vs. seventh house. This makes up for a significant change in our predictions for Ms. Monroe. In her RÄÅ›i chart the ninth lord is in the eighth house which should give effects of: bhÄgyahÄ«na (devoid of fortune including problems in marriage especially for ladies) and jyeá¹£á¹habhrÄtá¹›sukhaá¹ naiva (devoid of happiness from elder brother). This is what is supposed to happen. But now see that in the bhÄva chakra that Jupiter has gone to the seventh house. The effects which she will perceive to be true are: dÄrayogÄt sukhodaya (happiness upon marriage), guṇavÄn (endowed with virtues) and kÄ«rtimÄn (endowed with fame). Whilst she did get fame on account of ninth lord joined the tenth lord Mars in the eighth house, the problem is that she was confident that this had to be defined by her relationships (seventh house). As a result of which she got married thrice and it was even suspected that one such relationship was the cause of her demise due to an affair (Jupiter-married man). I hope this clarifies the use of the BhÄva Chalit Chakra.Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen----------Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: www: http://srigaruda.com@: vistiSomnath skrev: Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya. Om Namo Narayanaya Namaha.In the methods/principles enunciated by SJC, I read somewhere that Bhava/Chalit concepts are not something we consider. This means Rasi = Bhava. So if you are using the methods and principles of SJC, you simply consider Rasi = Bhava for all computations of Arudhas, Varnadas etc. This is my understanding. I believe PVR Narasimharao states this quite clearly in his book. I am open to correction in my understanding.SomnathOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya. Om Namo Narayanaya Namaha. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Pankaj, Namaskar. Please follow in my footsteps and quote the results for these placements based on Parasara's Hora Shastra. Then I can correct your work if need be. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti pankaj bansal skrev: DEAR VISTIJI,PLZ EXPLAIN THE ANALYSIS?I AM WAITING FOR THAT?                                                        THANKS          pankaj bansal <pankaj_bansal19 To: Tuesday, 17 March, 2009 12:43:15 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Bhava chalit DEAR VISTIJI,could you plz explain the same process for this chart as in this case,jup. is in 6th house in rasi chart n 7th in bhava chart and sun is in 11 house in rasi n 12th in bhava chart?details: dob:12/aug/1986 place:gwalior(madhya pradesh)india         78 E10 ' 00",26 N 13' 00" TIME:08:43 AM                                 WAITING FOR YOUR REPLY                                             THANKS Visti Larsen <visti To: Tuesday, 17 March, 2009 12:00:52 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Bhava chalit हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Somnath, Namaskar. What you say is not the case. The BhÄva Chakra is used in this tradition, but its usage is clearly differentiated from the use of the normal RÄÅ›i or Bhava chakra. Note the difference in wording between Bhava (short a) and BhÄva (long Ä). The former refers to the RÄÅ›is and the latter to the houses. The BhÄva chakra is drawn with reference to the Lagna degree and spans fifteen degrees before and after the specific degree, regardless of the boundaries of the RÄÅ›is. Herein we define the first use of this chakra, namely that it disregards the creation that God has founded. Therefore also the use of the BhÄva chakra is a self-centric view of the universe from the perspective of the individual but it is not true as it disregards what God has created... the RÄÅ›is. Draw all the following house boundaries the same way that you did the boundaries of the Lagna. With this you may get a completely new chart, where the Grahas may fall in a BhÄva before or after the initial placement. If the Lagna is closer to the middle of the sign (fifteen degrees) the differences between the BhÄva chakra and the Bhava chakra (again notice the short a) may not exist. This leads us to the second definition of the BhÄva chakra. The close the Lagna is to the beginning or end of the sign, the more the personal perception of the native differs from the actual reality indicated in the RÄÅ›is. This is due to a flaw in the natives intelligence from past lives, and can be corrected by reciting the Gayatri Mantra. Hence this is the best remedy for all flaws in the intelligence. For this reason also the placement of the Lagna in Sandhi or Gaṇá¸Änta is considered highly inauspicious. As a difference exists between the perception and reality in this case, the native due to their perception may act in a way which is detrimental towards other aspects of their life. Here is given the chart of Marilyn Monroe (1st June 1926, 9:30 AM, 118:15 West, 34:4 North). In the BhÄva Chalit Chakra given on the far right, the only difference existing is the placement of Jupiter in the eighth vs. seventh house.     This makes up for a significant change in our predictions for Ms. Monroe. In her RÄÅ›i chart the ninth lord is in the eighth house which should give effects of: bhÄgyahÄ«na (devoid of fortune including problems in marriage especially for ladies) and jyeá¹£á¹habhrÄtá¹›sukhaá¹ naiva (devoid of happiness from elder brother). This is what is supposed to happen. But now see that in the bhÄva chakra that Jupiter has gone to the seventh house. The effects which she will perceive to be true are: dÄrayogÄt sukhodaya (happiness upon marriage), guṇavÄn (endowed with virtues) and kÄ«rtimÄn (endowed with fame). Whilst she did get fame on account of ninth lord joined the tenth lord Mars in the eighth house, the problem is that she was confident that this had to be defined by her relationships (seventh house). As a result of which she got married thrice and it was even suspected that one such relationship was the cause of her demise due to an affair (Jupiter-married man). I hope this clarifies the use of the BhÄva Chalit Chakra. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti Somnath skrev: Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya. Om Namo Narayanaya Namaha. In the methods/principles enunciated by SJC, I read somewhere that Bhava/Chalit concepts are not something we consider. This means Rasi = Bhava. So if you are using the methods and principles of SJC, you simply consider Rasi = Bhava for all computations of Arudhas, Varnadas etc. This is my understanding. I believe PVR Narasimharao states this quite clearly in his book. I am open to correction in my understanding. Somnath Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya. Om Namo Narayanaya Namaha. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 NAMASKAR VISTIJI, JUPITER ANALYSIS: IN THE RASI CHART,BHAVAADIPATHI OF 7th HOUSE IS IN 12 POSITION FROM THE SAME HOUSE SO IT MAY CREATE DISPUTES IN MARRIAGE,PARNERSHIP BUT AS IN BHAVA CHAKRA IT IS IN HIS OWN HOUSE THESE WOULD CERTAINLY HELP HIM IN MATTER OF MARRIAGE,PARNERSHIP ETC. SUN ANALYSIS: IN THE RASI CHAKRA,BHAVAADIPATHI OF 12th HOUSE IS IN 12 FROM THE SAME HOUSE DENOTING THAT THERE MAY BE SEVERE LOSSES IN TERMS OF INVESTMENT BUT IN BHAVA CHAKRA IT IS IN OWN HOUSE DENOTING THAT THERE MAY BE LOSSES BUT NOT SEVERE. This is my analysis.Correct me if am wrong or Plz ellaborate this. Visti Larsen <visti Sent: Tuesday, 31 March, 2009 4:09:53 PMRe: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Bhava chalit हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£Dear Pankaj, Namaskar.Please follow in my footsteps and quote the results for these placements based on Parasara's Hora Shastra. Then I can correct your work if need be.Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen----------Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com@: visti pankaj bansal skrev: DEAR VISTIJI,PLZ EXPLAIN THE ANALYSIS?I AM WAITING FOR THAT? THANKS pankaj bansal <pankaj_bansal19 Sent: Tuesday, 17 March, 2009 12:43:15 AMRe: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Bhava chalit DEAR VISTIJI,could you plz explain the same process for this chart as in this case,jup. is in 6th house in rasi chart n 7th in bhava chart and sun is in 11 house in rasi n 12th in bhava chart?details: dob:12/aug/1986 place:gwalior(madhya pradesh)india 78 E10 ' 00",26 N 13' 00" TIME:08:43 AM WAITING FOR YOUR REPLY THANKS Visti Larsen <visti Sent: Tuesday, 17 March, 2009 12:00:52 AMRe: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Bhava chalit हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£Dear Somnath, Namaskar.What you say is not the case.The BhÄva Chakra is used in this tradition, but its usage is clearly differentiated from the use of the normal RÄÅ›i or Bhava chakra. Note the difference in wording between Bhava (short a) and BhÄva (long Ä). The former refers to the RÄÅ›is and the latter to the houses. The BhÄva chakra is drawn with reference to the Lagna degree and spans fifteen degrees before and after the specific degree, regardless of the boundaries of the RÄÅ›is. Herein we define the first use of this chakra, namely that it disregards the creation that God has founded. Therefore also the use of the BhÄva chakra is a self-centric view of the universe from the perspective of the individual but it is not true as it disregards what God has created... the RÄÅ›is. Draw all the following house boundaries the same way that you did the boundaries of the Lagna. With this you may get a completely new chart, where the Grahas may fall in a BhÄva before or after the initial placement. If the Lagna is closer to the middle of the sign (fifteen degrees) the differences between the BhÄva chakra and the Bhava chakra (again notice the short a) may not exist. This leads us to the second definition of the BhÄva chakra. The close the Lagna is to the beginning or end of the sign, the more the personal perception of the native differs from the actual reality indicated in the RÄÅ›is. This is due to a flaw in the natives intelligence from past lives, and can be corrected by reciting the Gayatri Mantra. Hence this is the best remedy for all flaws in the intelligence. For this reason also the placement of the Lagna in Sandhi or Gaṇá¸Änta is considered highly inauspicious. As a difference exists between the perception and reality in this case, the native due to their perception may act in a way which is detrimental towards other aspects of their life. Here is given the chart of Marilyn Monroe (1st June 1926, 9:30 AM, 118:15 West, 34:4 North). In the BhÄva Chalit Chakra given on the far right, the only difference existing is the placement of Jupiter in the eighth vs. seventh house. This makes up for a significant change in our predictions for Ms. Monroe. In her RÄÅ›i chart the ninth lord is in the eighth house which should give effects of: bhÄgyahÄ«na (devoid of fortune including problems in marriage especially for ladies) and jyeá¹£á¹habhrÄtá¹›sukhaá¹ naiva (devoid of happiness from elder brother). This is what is supposed to happen. But now see that in the bhÄva chakra that Jupiter has gone to the seventh house. The effects which she will perceive to be true are: dÄrayogÄt sukhodaya (happiness upon marriage), guṇavÄn (endowed with virtues) and kÄ«rtimÄn (endowed with fame). Whilst she did get fame on account of ninth lord joined the tenth lord Mars in the eighth house, the problem is that she was confident that this had to be defined by her relationships (seventh house). As a result of which she got married thrice and it was even suspected that one such relationship was the cause of her demise due to an affair (Jupiter-married man). I hope this clarifies the use of the BhÄva Chalit Chakra.Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen----------Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: www: http://srigaruda.com@: vistiSomnath skrev: Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya. Om Namo Narayanaya Namaha.In the methods/principles enunciated by SJC, I read somewhere that Bhava/Chalit concepts are not something we consider. This means Rasi = Bhava. So if you are using the methods and principles of SJC, you simply consider Rasi = Bhava for all computations of Arudhas, Varnadas etc. This is my understanding. I believe PVR Narasimharao states this quite clearly in his book. I am open to correction in my understanding.SomnathOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya. Om Namo Narayanaya Namaha. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Pankaj, Namaskar. Seventh lord in sixth house means spouse becomes enemy, but because its in seventh house in the Bhava Chalit it means that the person does not believe spouse is an enemy, but in TRUTH (s)he is acting that way. This is only good because the native will not treat the spouse as an enemy despite the aggression (s)he shows. 12th lord in the 11th house shows expenses on account of friends among other things. Since this does not repeat in the Bhava Chakra the person doesn't see that its really friends which are the expense. Similarly interpret investment losses, etc. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti pankaj bansal skrev: NAMASKAR VISTIJI,                                       PLZ RESPOND TO MY ANALYSIS.                                                    THANKS pankaj bansal <pankaj_bansal19 To: Tuesday, 31 March, 2009 6:06:50 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Bhava chalit NAMASKAR VISTIJI,                                     JUPITER ANALYSIS:                                                                          IN THE RASI CHART,BHAVAADIPATHI OF 7th HOUSE IS IN 12 POSITION FROM THE SAME HOUSE SO IT MAY CREATE DISPUTES IN MARRIAGE,PARNERSHIP BUT AS IN BHAVA CHAKRA IT IS IN HIS OWN HOUSE THESE WOULD CERTAINLY HELP HIM IN MATTER OF MARRIAGE,PARNERSHIP ETC.                                      SUN ANALYSIS:                                                                     IN THE RASI CHAKRA,BHAVAADIPATHI OF 12th HOUSE IS IN 12 FROM THE SAME HOUSE DENOTING THAT THERE MAY BE SEVERE LOSSES IN TERMS OF INVESTMENT BUT IN BHAVA CHAKRA IT IS IN OWN HOUSE DENOTING THAT THERE MAY BE LOSSES BUT NOT SEVERE.                                                                    This is my analysis.Correct me if am wrong or Plz ellaborate this.                                                  Visti Larsen <visti To: Tuesday, 31 March, 2009 4:09:53 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Bhava chalit हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Pankaj, Namaskar. Please follow in my footsteps and quote the results for these placements based on Parasara's Hora Shastra. Then I can correct your work if need be. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti pankaj bansal skrev: DEAR VISTIJI,PLZ EXPLAIN THE ANALYSIS?I AM WAITING FOR THAT?                                                        THANKS          pankaj bansal <pankaj_bansal19 Tuesday, 17 March, 2009 12:43:15 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Bhava chalit DEAR VISTIJI,could you plz explain the same process for this chart as in this case,jup. is in 6th house in rasi chart n 7th in bhava chart and sun is in 11 house in rasi n 12th in bhava chart?details: dob:12/aug/1986 place:gwalior(madhya pradesh)india         78 E10 ' 00",26 N 13' 00" TIME:08:43 AM                                 WAITING FOR YOUR REPLY                                             THANKS Visti Larsen <visti Tuesday, 17 March, 2009 12:00:52 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Bhava chalit हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Somnath, Namaskar. What you say is not the case. The BhÄva Chakra is used in this tradition, but its usage is clearly differentiated from the use of the normal RÄÅ›i or Bhava chakra. Note the difference in wording between Bhava (short a) and BhÄva (long Ä). The former refers to the RÄÅ›is and the latter to the houses. The BhÄva chakra is drawn with reference to the Lagna degree and spans fifteen degrees before and after the specific degree, regardless of the boundaries of the RÄÅ›is. Herein we define the first use of this chakra, namely that it disregards the creation that God has founded. Therefore also the use of the BhÄva chakra is a self-centric view of the universe from the perspective of the individual but it is not true as it disregards what God has created... the RÄÅ›is. Draw all the following house boundaries the same way that you did the boundaries of the Lagna. With this you may get a completely new chart, where the Grahas may fall in a BhÄva before or after the initial placement. If the Lagna is closer to the middle of the sign (fifteen degrees) the differences between the BhÄva chakra and the Bhava chakra (again notice the short a) may not exist. This leads us to the second definition of the BhÄva chakra. The close the Lagna is to the beginning or end of the sign, the more the personal perception of the native differs from the actual reality indicated in the RÄÅ›is. This is due to a flaw in the natives intelligence from past lives, and can be corrected by reciting the Gayatri Mantra. Hence this is the best remedy for all flaws in the intelligence. For this reason also the placement of the Lagna in Sandhi or Gaṇá¸Änta is considered highly inauspicious. As a difference exists between the perception and reality in this case, the native due to their perception may act in a way which is detrimental towards other aspects of their life. Here is given the chart of Marilyn Monroe (1st June 1926, 9:30 AM, 118:15 West, 34:4 North). In the BhÄva Chalit Chakra given on the far right, the only difference existing is the placement of Jupiter in the eighth vs. seventh house.     This makes up for a significant change in our predictions for Ms. Monroe. In her RÄÅ›i chart the ninth lord is in the eighth house which should give effects of: bhÄgyahÄ«na (devoid of fortune including problems in marriage especially for ladies) and jyeá¹£á¹habhrÄtá¹›sukhaá¹ naiva (devoid of happiness from elder brother). This is what is supposed to happen. But now see that in the bhÄva chakra that Jupiter has gone to the seventh house. The effects which she will perceive to be true are: dÄrayogÄt sukhodaya (happiness upon marriage), guṇavÄn (endowed with virtues) and kÄ«rtimÄn (endowed with fame). Whilst she did get fame on account of ninth lord joined the tenth lord Mars in the eighth house, the problem is that she was confident that this had to be defined by her relationships (seventh house). As a result of which she got married thrice and it was even suspected that one such relationship was the cause of her demise due to an affair (Jupiter-married man). I hope this clarifies the use of the BhÄva Chalit Chakra. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti Somnath skrev: Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya. Om Namo Narayanaya Namaha. In the methods/principles enunciated by SJC, I read somewhere that Bhava/Chalit concepts are not something we consider. This means Rasi = Bhava. So if you are using the methods and principles of SJC, you simply consider Rasi = Bhava for all computations of Arudhas, Varnadas etc. This is my understanding. I believe PVR Narasimharao states this quite clearly in his book. I am open to correction in my understanding. Somnath Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya. Om Namo Narayanaya Namaha. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Dear Gupta ji, There are about !2 methods of house division. Which one are you following? All methods have there own merits. These house divisions , in my opinion can not be used universally. If we use a particular method it may give better result to suit to that system , for which it had been devised. In Parasara and Jaimini system on Vedic astrology , Bphs had clearly specified the method of house division which is as under: QUOTE( this is quoted from my another article) Parasara has given the conceptof Bhavas (houses) along with 12 signs in the above narration. This is called the compartmental system of houses. In this, system thewhole sign in which the degree of rising ascendant falls is considered the first house and subsequent sign as 2nd house and so on. The longitude of the ascending point becomes the most sensitive points of the ascendant i.e.1st house, and the sensitive points of other house will be 30°apart. The sensitive point of 10th house will fall in 10th sign from ascending sign and will have the same longitude as that of the ascending point in Lagan. In this system M.C. is not considered as the Mid-point or cusp of 10th house. M.C. is however given prime-importance due to it and is widely used for many other important purposes. Parasara narrates the description of the planets, signs, various Kinds of ascendants, up-Grahas and also importance of Deeptamsa of 15°on either side of sensitive-point of ascendant and other houses etc. (Deeptamsa means an effective Zone of 15°on either side of the sensitive-point of ascendant, or sensitive points of other houses). [The importance of various ascendants and upgrahas will be narrated in subsequent articles ]. PADAS OF EACH HOUSE WILL HAVE THE SAME LONGITUDE IN A SIGN AS RISING ASCENDING DEGREE. The same rule will also be applicable when longitudes are calculated in divisional carts as per Saravali. JH HORA provides it. UNQUOTE BPHS and JAIMINI system uses many other tools for predictive purposes , which are interdependent on each other ,Thus the system of house division taught by BPHS is applicable universally to this system of astrology. Unfortunately , Pt Devendra Jha and G.C.Sharma had introduced Sripat method of house divisions in their versions of BPHS.This , in my opinion is dis-sevice to ancient astrology. Sripati calculates the Ascendant and MC in correct manner according to spherical trignametry and then drvide houses in between by method of simple division arithmetically . Which is not consistent. Kp system of house division is based on correct method as advocated by' Rafel' Mr. P.V.R.Narshima Rao has now suggested to adopt equal house division and imposed it on caspal method of house division. At present he is wasting his time and energy in fighting with Pt Sanjay Rath ( once he was his Guru - now he wish show to himself as independent thinker. There is nothing wrong in doing so . He may do any effort but this fact can not be denied that Sanjay had properly intiated him in astrology and induced him to develop such a nice software and made available free to every body . this was his good Karma which is helping him to get new light, I do not know why he is adopting wrong attitude by openly fighting which once he was his guru and earning bad Karma . He is free to peruse his own independent path with out abusing or blaming his guru , and earning and accumulating bad Karma for himself.) Now following five Main methods of house division are available to us: !. Compartmental method ( where a house is within the boundary of a zodiac sign) with 15 degree deeptansa on either side. 2 Equal house division where Ascending point is the mid-point 3. Equal House Division , but ascending point is Caspal Point i.e from were house commences 4. Siripat method of house division 5 KP METHOD ( IN FACT RAFEL METHOD OR ' PLACIDUAS ' OR SEMI-ARC SYSTEM) ALL THE ABOVE SYSTEMS DO HAVE THEIR OWN MERITS AND LIMITATIONS .KINDLY USE EITHER OF THEM CAREFULLY. You may kindly study Lahiri's of Table of Ascendans. It is very informative book. Your comment that you may be getting better results by using a particular method even without spelling out as to which method of house division you are using. Is your statement not very specious ? With best regards, G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA ________________________________ Raju Gupta <gupta.raaju Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 Sun, 7 March, 2010 1:09:50 AM Re: bhava chalit Dear Goelji, Namaskar, I want to say that a planet in Aries say 7th house and moved to 8th house in chalit then it will give results of 8th house and rashi of planet will be Aries.If sun in aries the exalted sun in 8th or if saturn in aries than debilated saturn in 8th. Secondly i know that 1 rashi is considered as one house as pada but going through many charts i had found that calculating padas from chalit chart was very accurate thats why i put it on form for the comments. Regards, Raju Gupta --- On Sat, 3/6/10, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: >Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 >Subject: >sohamsa >Cc: gupta.raaju, vedic astrology , astrologyandremedies >Saturday, March 6, 2010, 12:26 PM > > > > > DEAR Gupta ji, >Your question is interesting but should be confusing every one. >A planet if it is in 7H in ARIES IN SIGN BIRTH CHART , and if it shifts in >8H in Bhava chart , how it can change its sign.A planet is in 7th sign from >ascending sign , it will remain in that sign , irrespective weather it is in > >6th, 7th or 8th house in bhava chart. >Once this is clear , then rules should be proprely understood and then applied. > >As far as , padas of 12 houses are calculated are based on sign chart , assuming >one sign as one house.This is a rule. > >In the example given by you Lagna Pada will fall in 10th sign from ascending > sign. >Pada Of any house can only fall in 3,4, 5 ,9,10,and 12 th houses from the sign placed >in that house. >Kindly do not mixed up rules. >Regards, > > > >G.K.GOEL >Ph: 09350311433 >Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR >NEW DELHI-110 076 >INDIA > > >________________________________ >The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 Dear Gupta ji,There are about !2 methods of house division.Which one are you following? All methods have there own merits.These house divisions , in my opinion can not be used universally. If we use a particular method it may give better result to suit to that system , for which it had been devised.In Parasara and Jaimini system on Vedic astrology , Bphs had clearly specified the method of house division which is as under: QUOTE( this is quoted from my another article) Parasara has given the concept of Bhavas (houses) along with 12 signs in the above narration. This is called the compartmental system of houses. In this, system the whole sign in which the degree of rising ascendant falls is considered the first house and subsequent sign as 2nd house and so on. The longitude of the ascending point becomes the most sensitive points of the ascendant i.e.1st house, and the sensitive points of other house will be 30° apart. The sensitive point of 10th house will fall in 10th sign from ascending sign and will have the same longitude as that of the ascending point in Lagan. In this system M.C. is not considered as the Mid-point or cusp of 10th house. M.C. is however given prime-importance due to it and is widely used for many other important purposes. Parasara narrates the description of the planets, signs, various Kinds of ascendants, up-Grahas and also importance of Deeptamsa of 15° on either side of sensitive-point of ascendant and other houses etc. (Deeptamsa means an effective Zone of 15° on either side of the sensitive-point of ascendant, or sensitive points of other houses). [The importance of various ascendants and upgrahas will be narrated in subsequent articles ].PADAS OF EACH HOUSE WILL HAVE THE SAME LONGITUDE IN A SIGN AS RISINGASCENDING DEGREE.The same rule will also be applicable when longitudes are calculated in divisional carts as per Saravali. JH HORA provides it.UNQUOTEBPHS and JAIMINI system uses many other tools for predictive purposes , which are interdependent on each other ,Thus the system of house division taught by BPHSis applicable universally to this system of astrology.Unfortunately , Pt Devendra Jha and G.C.Sharma had introduced Sripat method of house divisions in their versions of BPHS.This , in my opinion is dis-sevice to ancient astrology. Sripati calculates the Ascendant and MC in correct manner according to spherical trignametry and then drvide houses in between by method of simple division arithmetically . Which is not consistent.Kp system of house division is based on correct method as advocated by' Rafel'Mr. P.V.R.Narshima Rao has now suggested to adopt equal house division and imposed it on caspal method of house division. At present he is wasting his time and energy infighting with Pt Sanjay Rath ( once he was his Guru - now he wish show to himself as independent thinker. There is nothing wrong in doing so . He may do any effort but this fact can not be denied that Sanjay had properly intiated him in astrology and induced him to developsuch a nice software and made available free to every body . this was his good Karmawhich is helping him to get new light, I do not know why he is adopting wrong attitude byopenly fighting which once he was his guru and earning bad Karma . He is free to peruse his own independent path with out abusing or blaming his guru , and earning and accumulating bad Karma for himself.)Now following five Main methods of house division are available to us:!. Compartmental method ( where a house is within the boundary of a zodiac sign) with 15 degree deeptansa on either side.2 Equal house division where Ascending point is the mid-point3. Equal House Division , but ascending point is Caspal Point i.e from were house commences4. Siripat method of house division5 KP METHOD ( IN FACT RAFEL METHOD OR ' PLACIDUAS ' OR SEMI-ARC SYSTEM)ALL THE ABOVE SYSTEMS DO HAVE THEIR OWN MERITS AND LIMITATIONS .KINDLY USE EITHER OF THEM CAREFULLY. You may kindly study Lahiri's of Table of Ascendans. It is very informative book.Your comment that you may be getting better results by using a particular method even without spelling out as to which method of house division you are using.Is your statement not very specious ?With best regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIARaju Gupta <gupta.raajuGopal Goel <gkgoel1937Sun, 7 March, 2010 1:09:50 AMRe: bhava chalitDear Goelji,Namaskar,I want to say that a planet in Aries say 7th house and moved to 8th house in chalit then it will give results of 8th house and rashi of planet will be Aries.If sun in aries the exalted sun in 8th or if saturn in aries than debilated saturn in 8th.Secondly i know that 1 rashi is considered as one house as pada but going through many charts i had found that calculating padas from chalit chart was very accurate thats why i put it on form for the comments.Regards, Raju Gupta--- On Sat, 3/6/10, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937sohamsa Cc: gupta.raaju, vedic astrology , astrologyandremedies Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 12:26 PM DEAR Gupta ji,Your question is interesting but should be confusing every one.A planet if it is in 7H in ARIES IN SIGN BIRTH CHART , and if it shifts in8H in Bhava chart , how it can change its sign.A planet is in 7th sign from ascending sign , it will remain in that sign , irrespective weather it is in 6th, 7th or 8th house in bhava chart.Once this is clear , then rules should be proprely understood and then applied.As far as , padas of 12 houses are calculated are based on sign chart , assuming one sign as one house.This is a rule.In the example given by you Lagna Pada will fall in 10th sign from ascending sign.Pada Of any house can only fall in 3,4, 5 ,9,10,and 12 th houses from the sign placed in that house.Kindly do not mixed up rules.Regards,G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 Dear Goelji,Namaskar,I am using the bhava chalit chart D-1(B) of Jhora. What i found is that calculating padas for Bhavas the D-1(B) was more accurate and using Rashi chart ( D-1) for calculating Graha Arudha D-1 was more appropriate. So in short Bhava Chakra for Bhava Arudha and Rashi Chakra for Graha Arudha.Its a query and all learned members can see from some charts and have opinion on it.As regard to Samvad between Sanjayji and Raoji it should be looked upon and treated as healthy debate and should not be termed as fight.I had find the method of calculating Ishta Devta by Raoji somewhat relevant and research should be done on it.As we all have very little sight and none of us are able to see this elephant like world in one sight , so none of us can claim his/her knowledge complete. let this forum be an effort to create full picture of elephant by acknowledging the different sight of elephant by different people and joining it.In this dark age only Gita is the guru as there is impossible to find a pramanik guru. let not flow on the wave of emotions and calling every one who teaches us the lesson a pramanik guru since none of us have full knowledge of subject/subjects and difference of opinion will persist.Regards, Raju Gupta--- On Sun, 3/7/10, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937Re: bhava chalit"Raju Gupta" <gupta.raajuCc: astrologyandremedies , vedic astrology , "BHUSAN k" <naxatra, - , "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekhar, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07, "Phyllis Chubb" <phyllischubb, "sohamsa" <sohamsa >, "prince" <A_Foresight_Prince_of_India_Available >, astro-health-remediesDate: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 1:13 AMDear Gupta ji,There are about !2 methods of house division.Which one are you following? All methods have there own merits.These house divisions , in my opinion can not be used universally. If we use a particular method it may give better result to suit to that system , for which it had been devised.In Parasara and Jaimini system on Vedic astrology , Bphs had clearly specified the method of house division which is as under: QUOTE( this is quoted from my another article) Parasara has given the concept of Bhavas (houses) along with 12 signs in the above narration. This is called the compartmental system of houses. In this, system the whole sign in which the degree of rising ascendant falls is considered the first house and subsequent sign as 2nd house and so on. The longitude of the ascending point becomes the most sensitive points of the ascendant i.e.1st house, and the sensitive points of other house will be 30° apart. The sensitive point of 10th house will fall in 10th sign from ascending sign and will have the same longitude as that of the ascending point in Lagan. In this system M.C. is not considered as the Mid-point or cusp of 10th house. M.C. is however given prime-importance due to it and is widely used for many other important purposes. Parasara narrates the description of the planets, signs, various Kinds of ascendants, up-Grahas and also importance of Deeptamsa of 15° on either side of sensitive-point of ascendant and other houses etc. (Deeptamsa means an effective Zone of 15° on either side of the sensitive-point of ascendant, or sensitive points of other houses). [The importance of various ascendants and upgrahas will be narrated in subsequent articles ].PADAS OF EACH HOUSE WILL HAVE THE SAME LONGITUDE IN A SIGN AS RISINGASCENDING DEGREE.The same rule will also be applicable when longitudes are calculated in divisional carts as per Saravali. JH HORA provides it.UNQUOTEBPHS and JAIMINI system uses many other tools for predictive purposes , which are interdependent on each other ,Thus the system of house division taught by BPHSis applicable universally to this system of astrology.Unfortunately , Pt Devendra Jha and G.C.Sharma had introduced Sripat method of house divisions in their versions of BPHS.This , in my opinion is dis-sevice to ancient astrology. Sripati calculates the Ascendant and MC in correct manner according to spherical trignametry and then drvide houses in between by method of simple division arithmetically . Which is not consistent.Kp system of house division is based on correct method as advocated by' Rafel'Mr. P.V.R.Narshima Rao has now suggested to adopt equal house division and imposed it on caspal method of house division. At present he is wasting his time and energy infighting with Pt Sanjay Rath ( once he was his Guru - now he wish show to himself as independent thinker. There is nothing wrong in doing so . He may do any effort but this fact can not be denied that Sanjay had properly intiated him in astrology and induced him to developsuch a nice software and made available free to every body . this was his good Karmawhich is helping him to get new light, I do not know why he is adopting wrong attitude byopenly fighting which once he was his guru and earning bad Karma . He is free to peruse his own independent path with out abusing or blaming his guru , and earning and accumulating bad Karma for himself.)Now following five Main methods of house division are available to us:!. Compartmental method ( where a house is within the boundary of a zodiac sign) with 15 degree deeptansa on either side.2 Equal house division where Ascending point is the mid-point3. Equal House Division , but ascending point is Caspal Point i.e from were house commences4. Siripat method of house division5 KP METHOD ( IN FACT RAFEL METHOD OR ' PLACIDUAS ' OR SEMI-ARC SYSTEM)ALL THE ABOVE SYSTEMS DO HAVE THEIR OWN MERITS AND LIMITATIONS .KINDLY USE EITHER OF THEM CAREFULLY. You may kindly study Lahiri's of Table of Ascendans. It is very informative book.Your comment that you may be getting better results by using a particular method even without spelling out as to which method of house division you are using.Is your statement not very specious ?With best regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIARaju Gupta <gupta.raajuGopal Goel <gkgoel1937Sun, 7 March, 2010 1:09:50 AMRe: bhava chalitDear Goelji,Namaskar,I want to say that a planet in Aries say 7th house and moved to 8th house in chalit then it will give results of 8th house and rashi of planet will be Aries.If sun in aries the exalted sun in 8th or if saturn in aries than debilated saturn in 8th.Secondly i know that 1 rashi is considered as one house as pada but going through many charts i had found that calculating padas from chalit chart was very accurate thats why i put it on form for the comments.Regards, Raju Gupta--- On Sat, 3/6/10, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937sohamsa Cc: gupta.raaju, vedic astrology , astrologyandremedies Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 12:26 PM DEAR Gupta ji,Your question is interesting but should be confusing every one.A planet if it is in 7H in ARIES IN SIGN BIRTH CHART , and if it shifts in8H in Bhava chart , how it can change its sign.A planet is in 7th sign from ascending sign , it will remain in that sign , irrespective weather it is in 6th, 7th or 8th house in bhava chart.Once this is clear , then rules should be proprely understood and then applied.As far as , padas of 12 houses are calculated are based on sign chart , assuming one sign as one house.This is a rule.In the example given by you Lagna Pada will fall in 10th sign from ascending sign.Pada Of any house can only fall in 3,4, 5 ,9,10,and 12 th houses from the sign placed in that house.Kindly do not mixed up rules.Regards,G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA The INTERNET now has a personality. 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