Guest guest Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha, Namaskar Guruji, I beleive the forms of the ashtalaksmi are as follows: - Dhanalakshmi; Dhanyalakshmi; Dhairyalakshmi; Shouryalakshmi; Vidyalakshmi; Karyalakshmi; Vijayalakshmi & Rajalakshmi. I know that MahaLaksmi is the full blossom of her form and 10th tithi in satvic part of the tithis from Shukla Ekadashi till Krishna Panchami, The Mother changes her rupa, to fully grow into MahaLaksmi where rupa is full and complete. But what is the Nava or ninth form? Best wishes Zoran > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ > Dear Freedom > Yes. The point was Devi, and Satvic form or Sri shakti is correct as > Sri > shakti is for sustenance which is the essence of palana. You have > brought out the point well. > Now as a second step can you also list the asta lakshmi form for this or > maybe Narasimha can add this. > With best wishes & warm regards, > Yours truly > Sanjay Rath > > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com > Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India > Phone: +91.11.25717162 > - > > > freedom [freedom] > Sunday, December 25, 2005 3:22 AM > sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata > > Hare Rama Krsna > > So the Form of the Palana Devatta is of a Devi, but isn't still best to > use a Sri Shakti rupa? > > To teach beginner or intermediate students to give a nila shakti form > for Palana Devata based on Navamsa when they don't understand the full > implication that nila shakti rupas have in the Rasi can be dangerous. > Most people associate the graha shaktis only with the kali rupas. Even > Sanjay Prabhakaran's list did not clearly separate them all. > > In the end, any form of the Mother will sustain us, and it doesn & #65533;t > matter too much as long as we call out to Her, but we are jyotishis who > are supposed to understand the devas. To the normal westerner who > perceives the most famous Indian devatta and the most obscure in > relatively the same way, isn't better to take them to the most sattvic > form (for a sustaining purpose). To tell them to worship Gaja Laksmi > instead of Tara for Palana devatta purposes would be the safest method > of worshipping the Devi. Unless that nila shakti also had a beneficial > role in the rasi, which takes much more understanding than simple > calculation of placement from an divisional charakaraka. > > Namah Sivaya > > > Sanjay Rath [guruji] > Saturday, December 24, 2005 5:34 AM > sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata > > ~~ om sadâúiva gurave namah ~~ > Dear Swee, Narasimha, Freedom and 'Adhyaayin' (is that your name? Please > correct me) > > It all depends on the level or view point. Freedom is right but > Narasimha is more correct. Palana at the physical world level has to do > with food and nurturing and this is the bhoga which we get due to the > *naivedyam* offered to the Palana devatä. Naivedyam is associated with > Jala tattva, so it has to be a DEVI form and the Palana devatä is a devi > form. > > Freedom, in your chart, Satrun and Rähu are in the 9th house from your > Karakamsa and hence they also represent your Dharma Devatä. So in your > chart the dharma devatä and Palana devatä are having the same > indications, and hence I advised you to worship the dharma devatä Who > will also act as the Palana devatä. > >>From the Guna devatä viewpoint, Vishnu is the sustainer and is the >> palana > devatä but then this is for the Atma and not for the Amatya...which is > more mundane or worldly life. So Narasimha's learning is more correct as > he has advised on the basis of Tattva devatä and Jala tattva is the > giver of naivedyam and bhoga for Palana devatä....Devi. > > With best wishes & warm regards, > Yours truly > Sanjay Rath > > Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com > Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India > Phone: +91.11.25717162 > - > > > Swee Chan [swee] > Friday, December 23, 2005 3:05 PM > sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Freedom, > Namaste > > 6th from my AmK is Scorpio and both co-lords are exalted. I was taught > to worship Bhaglamukhi for my Palana devata. > > Love, > Swee > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf > Of freedom > Friday, December 23, 2005 9:31 AM > sohamsa > RE: Re: #2 Palana Devata > > Hare Rama Krsna > > My view on the Palana Devata is that it is a deity that sustains us and > therefore should be a sattvic (sustaining) devatta. > > Sanjay teaches a form of Visnu for Ishta, that is clear. This is > according to our Parampara, as Parashara uses many deities. > > For Palana devatta, Guruji sometimes says Visnu and sometimes he says > Devi. If you look at his writings on the link provided regarded Palana > devatta, you can see guruji uses the words 'He looks after the > individual....'. For my own chart I have a Rahu-Saturn conjunction sixth > from Amk, which Sanjay has advised me to worship as Balaji (a Visnu form > associated with > Rahu-Saturn conj). > > Ishta relates to the Sun, a masculine form. Palana relates to Moon > (feminine form), and Palana also takes care of you like a Mother, so > worship of Palana as a Devi is very valid, and taught by Guruji often. > > My problem lies with using nila shakti (Kali rupas) for Palana devatta. > My understanding is that nila shakti is purifying, removing, etc. > Instead, Palana devatta should be a form that is sustaining; either > Visnu Rupa or Sri Shakti. My students are all aware of the forms and > mantras for the Dasavatara. They are not aware of the various forms of > Sri Shakti related to each of the grahas. There have been some teachings > of these forms in SJC but I have not seen specific mantras given for > each of these forms. I therefore prefer to use the forms of Sri Visnu > which we are all aware of and in agreement upon. > > I am not criticizing the use of Nila Shakti for Palana devatta. I am > just stating my own belief based upon gunas and reasoning. In some > places in India, Nila Shaktis are used even for Ishta devatta, and their > use is supported by various scriptures. > > When I personally chose a devatta for my own or someone else's worship, > the first thing I take into account is [1] the relation of the gunas of > the purpose of the worship relative to [2] the gunas of the devatta. One > must also take into account the person's spiritual background, we would > not ask a devout Christian or Muslim to worship Kurma Avatar if their > Palana devatta (Saturn) was afflicted. We would have to understand the > fundamental principles, and find a solution according to the > individual's background, yet based about gunas and grahas. In this way > Vedic science is universal. > > Namah Sivaya > > > > > > adhyaayin [adhyaayin] > Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:47 PM > sohamsa > Re: #2 Palana Devata: Form of Sri Shakti or Sri > Vishnu ? FOR PVR-ji > > > Dear PVR-ji > > Thank you for clarifying my doubts and elavating me from the level of > " adhyaayin " to " Sri Dakshinamurthy " :-) > > Annway, I am just a student. > > I totally agree with you and Nitin-ji on the sensibilities of choosing > the palana deity. > > I just wanted to find out if there is an official parampara line on this > matter. This is the link to Freedom-ji specific mp3 file > (http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006% > 20Ishta.mp3). The last 30 seconds of the file have the statements. > > Sincere thanks to all SJC gurus for providing the mp3 lessons and other > resources. > > Kind regards. > > Adhyaayin > > > > > > sohamsa , " pvr108 " <pvr@c...> wrote: >> >> Namaste Sri Dakshinamoorthi, >> >> One should realize that there are no perfect objective answers to >> questions in astrology that relate to religion, spirituality and >> philosophy. >> >> What I said in my class was based on the same thinking that was >> outlined by Nitin below. Sanjay ji once taught me that it is advisable >> to take a form of Vishnu as ishta devata and a form of Devi as palana >> devata. >> >> The above is, however, not strictly following Pararsara. Parasara >> outlines all gods when describing ishta and palana devatas. Thus, > it >> makes sense to accept any devata. At the same time, Sanjay ji's >> specific guidance on using the forms of Vishnu and Devi is logical >> too. >> >> Are you sure you are not mistaking what Freedom said regarding > ishta >> devata for palana devata? That is possible. >> >> In any case, in my humble view, you can worship any form of god as >> ishta devata or palana devata. If Mars is in the 12th from AK in >> navamsa and one worships Kartikeya or Bagalamukhi for moksha (instead >> of Narasimha), I don't believe that that worship goes wasted. Those >> gods may still take one closer to moksha. Similarly, if Saturn is in >> 6th from AmK in navamsa and one worships Koorma > Deva >> or Vishnu Himself instead of Mother Kaali and asks for livelihood, >> one's livelihood may still be taken care of. >> >> It is good to follow the advice of maharshis, tradition and gurus >> whenever possible, but one should be flexible and focus on the essence >> and spirit of the teachings. Sometimes, we can get stuck in some >> details and miss the essence. Thumbrules are just that - thumbrules. >> >> Understanding the TRUE nature of either Vishnu or Shiva or Shakti - >> even one of them - is not easy. If someone feels close to one of > the >> three, I wouldn't mind recommending the forms of the same for all >> purposes. >> >> May Jupiter's light shine on us, >> Narasimha >> ------------------------------- Free >> Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri >> Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org >> ------------------------------- >> >> > Dear Nitin-ji >> > >> > I had sent a reply to your response but for some reason it never got >> posted on the vedic astrology group. >> > >> > Thanks for the reference to the article. I have a copy. >> > >> > However even in that article under the " Palana devata " section >> there >> > is no reference to palana devata as a form of the mother. Many >> deities are listed. >> > >> > Personally i rightly agree with you and also belive in the >> mother's >> > form for palana devata. >> > >> > But in Sri Freedom-ji's mp3 (sjc vyasa) class >> > http://shrifreedom.com/VyasaSJC/lecture/01/2005-9-25%2006% >> 20Ishta.mp3 >> > he mentions palana devata as a sri vishnu swarupa. >> > >> > In PVR-ji's mp3 classes (lesson no 20) he mentions palana devata >> as a >> > form of the mother. >> > >> > >> > Please clarify this. >> > >> > Adhyaayin >> > >> > Om Sri Gurubhyo Namah >> > >> > >> > sohamsa , " Nitin K " <sjc@j...> wrote: >> > > >> > > ||| Aum Krishna Guru ||| >> > > >> > > vedic astrology/message/68220 >> > > >> > > || Namah Shivaaya || >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> " adhyaayin " <adhyaayin> >> > > sohamsa >> > > Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:05:40 -0000 >> > > >> > > >Dear Gurus >> > > > >> > > >Pranaams >> > > > >> > > >Please clear my confusion about the Palana Devata (6th from >> AmK). >> > > > >> > > >On hearing the audio classes of PVR-ji my understanding was >> that it >> > > >should be a form of the mother corresponding to the planet. But >> recently I heard Freedom-ji's class mp3 (Vyasa SJC) that it >> should >> > be a >> > > >form of Sri Vishnu. >> > > > >> > > >So I hope somebody could clarify this. >> > > > >> > > >Thanks and kind regards. >> > > > >> > > >Adhyaayin >> > > > >> > > >Om Sri Gurubhyo namah >> > *tat savitur varenyam* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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