Guest guest Posted November 24, 2000 Report Share Posted November 24, 2000 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Steve, Namaste. > Jai Shri Ram, > In his translation and discussion of BPHS, Sharma states a few things > that are difficult for me to grasp. If anyone has clarification I > would be grateful. > 1. He translates Parashara as saying that the Sun is auspicious in > the first house but inauspicious elsewhere. This makes no sense to me > for two reasons. First, as Karaka for the first house (self), my > understanding is that Sun in the first house will produce an over- > egotistical individual unless there are balancing influences such as > aspects by benefics, exaltation, etc.. Second, the sun in rashis > owned by friends or in its mooltrikon or exaltation in other houses > should also produce good results. > > 2.Sharma at one point says that in deciding the number of auspicious > vargas in saptavarga chakra " more importance is given to the natural > beneficence thant to the criteria of friendly relationship " but when > Sharma illustrates this point by an example he considers placement in > a friendly varga to be auspicious. > > 3. For Rahu and Ketu, Sharma translates Parashara as indicating that > whenever Ra and Ke are in a house the house is harmed. This seems to > contradict the principle that a planet produces good effects when it > has a preponderence of auspicious vargas. Could you give page numbers ofr the above quotes? I will look up and then react. > 4. In his analysis of the application of the principles (p. 611-612), > Sharma seems only to be analyzing the houses in terms of the lagna > circle, neglecting the Sun and Moon circles. It's not clear to me > why he does this: perhaps he intends for us to analyze each circle in > turn but that seems to go against the comphrensive approach Parashara > seems to intend for Sudarshan Chakra. The principles for interpretation listed by Parasara from Sloka 7 onwards refer to all three circles and we should see them together, that's why they are drawn in one column in the Sudarshan Chakra table. The interpretation given by Sharma is just an example, and it can be done in a more comprehensive manner. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer <gauranga Phone:+36-309-140-839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2000 Report Share Posted November 26, 2000 JAYA JAGANANATHA! Gauranga, I put the page numbers in caps right after your request for them. Jai Shri Ram, Steve --- Gauranga Das <gauranga wrote: > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Steve, > > Namaste. > > > > Jai Shri Ram, > > In his translation and discussion of BPHS, Sharma > states a few things > > that are difficult for me to grasp. If anyone has > clarification I > > would be grateful. > > 1. He translates Parashara as saying that the Sun > is auspicious in > > the first house but inauspicious elsewhere. This > makes no sense to me > > for two reasons. First, as Karaka for the first > house (self), my > > understanding is that Sun in the first house will > produce an over- > > egotistical individual unless there are balancing > influences such as > > aspects by benefics, exaltation, etc.. Second, the > sun in rashis > > owned by friends or in its mooltrikon or > exaltation in other houses > > should also produce good results. > > > > 2.Sharma at one point says that in deciding the > number of auspicious > > vargas in saptavarga chakra " more importance is > given to the natural > > beneficence thant to the criteria of friendly > relationship " but when > > Sharma illustrates this point by an example he > considers placement in > > a friendly varga to be auspicious. > > > > 3. For Rahu and Ketu, Sharma translates Parashara > as indicating that > > whenever Ra and Ke are in a house the house is > harmed. This seems to > > contradict the principle that a planet produces > good effects when it > > has a preponderence of auspicious vargas. > > Could you give page numbers ofr the above quotes? I > will look up and then react. > FOR POINT 1 ABOUT SUN IN 1ST, P.605, VOL.2. FOR POINT 2, GREATER SIGNIFICANCE TO NATURAL BENEFICENCE IS PROPOSED BY SHARMA ON P.610;THE PLACEMENT OF THE PLANETS IN SAPTAVARGA IS ON P. 609. FOR POINT 3, ON P.614 SHARMA TRANSLATES PARASHARA AS SAYING RA & KE IN ANGLES, TRINES OR 8TH FROM THE DASHA LORD PRODUCES HARM TO THE HOUSES. > > 4. In his analysis of the application of the > principles (p. 611-612), > > Sharma seems only to be analyzing the houses in > terms of the lagna > > circle, neglecting the Sun and Moon circles. It's > not clear to me > > why he does this: perhaps he intends for us to > analyze each circle in > > turn but that seems to go against the comphrensive > approach Parashara > > seems to intend for Sudarshan Chakra. > > The principles for interpretation listed by Parasara > from Sloka 7 onwards refer to all > three circles and we should see them together, > that's why they are drawn in one column in > the Sudarshan Chakra table. The interpretation given > by Sharma is just an example, and it > can be done in a more comprehensive manner. > > Yours, > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > <gauranga > Phone:+36-309-140-839 > > > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2000 Report Share Posted December 1, 2000 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Stephen, Namaste. > > > Jai Shri Ram, > > > In his translation and discussion of BPHS, Sharma > > states a few things > > > that are difficult for me to grasp. If anyone has > > clarification I > > > would be grateful. > > > 1. He translates Parashara as saying that the Sun > > is auspicious in > > > the first house but inauspicious elsewhere. This > > makes no sense to me > > > for two reasons. First, as Karaka for the first > > house (self), my > > > understanding is that Sun in the first house will > > produce an over- > > > egotistical individual unless there are balancing > > influences such as > > > aspects by benefics, exaltation, etc.. Second, the > > sun in rashis > > > owned by friends or in its mooltrikon or > > exaltation in other houses > > > should also produce good results. I'm not an expert in Sudarshan Chakra, so I invite other Jyotish Gurus to comment also, but I will try to say a few words myself. The Sudarshan Chakra consists of three concentric circles, where the lagna, Moon and Sun are placed on top of each other, the resto fo the signs shifted conveniently. These three levels will represent the body, mind and soul of the individual. i think that Parasara intends to say that people with the Sun in Lagna are very spiritual, as the Sudarshan Chakra's lowest and highest levels are harmonised. Maybe if the Moon is there also, then all three are harmonised, which is not god fro the lower twol levels separately, but may be very good for spirituality. People having the Sun, Moon and Lagna in the same house are not always unsuccessful. Bear in mind that they will probably have their Hora and Ghati lagnas also there. Queen Victoria for example had such a chart. > > > 2.Sharma at one point says that in deciding the > > number of auspicious > > > vargas in saptavarga chakra " more importance is > > given to the natural > > > beneficence thant to the criteria of friendly > > relationship " but when > > > Sharma illustrates this point by an example he > > considers placement in > > > a friendly varga to be auspicious. Parasara clears this up before that on page 607, slokas 15-16. If a (natural) benefic planet has many inauspicious vargas, then it will deliver malefic results, and vice versa. So this is akin to Vimsopaka bala. > > > 3. For Rahu and Ketu, Sharma translates Parashara > > as indicating that > > > whenever Ra and Ke are in a house the house is > > harmed. This seems to > > > contradict the principle that a planet produces > > good effects when it > > > has a preponderence of auspicious vargas. I would say that benefic vargas play a stronger role in Judiging the results of Sudarshan Cakra dasas than in other Dasas, still they will not completely nullify the basic nature of the planets. I could imaginte that Rahu or Ketu ebven while being in benefic vargas will produce mixed effects., i.e. Rahu's effects may seem to be beneficial, whereas in reaity they will be harmful spiritually, and the opposite will be working for Ketu/ Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer <gauranga Phone:+36-309-140-839 > > Could you give page numbers ofr the above quotes? I > > will look up and then react. > > FOR POINT 1 ABOUT SUN IN 1ST, P.605, VOL.2. > FOR POINT 2, GREATER SIGNIFICANCE TO NATURAL > BENEFICENCE IS PROPOSED BY SHARMA ON P.610;THE > PLACEMENT OF THE PLANETS IN SAPTAVARGA IS ON P. 609. > FOR POINT 3, ON P.614 SHARMA TRANSLATES PARASHARA AS > SAYING RA & KE IN ANGLES, TRINES OR 8TH FROM THE DASHA > LORD PRODUCES HARM TO THE HOUSES. > > > 4. In his analysis of the application of the > > principles (p. 611-612), > > > Sharma seems only to be analyzing the houses in > > terms of the lagna > > > circle, neglecting the Sun and Moon circles. It's > > not clear to me > > > why he does this: perhaps he intends for us to > > analyze each circle in > > > turn but that seems to go against the comphrensive > > approach Parashara > > > seems to intend for Sudarshan Chakra. > > > > The principles for interpretation listed by Parasara > > from Sloka 7 onwards refer to all > > three circles and we should see them together, > > that's why they are drawn in one column in > > the Sudarshan Chakra table. The interpretation given > > by Sharma is just an example, and it > > can be done in a more comprehensive manner. > > > > Yours, > > > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > > <gauranga > > Phone:+36-309-140-839 > > > > > > > > > > > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > / > > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2000 Report Share Posted December 3, 2000 Jai Jagannatha! Thanks, Gauranga. But why will the sun, which spiritualizes in the first house, house of self and attachment, not spiritualize elsewhere? Steve --- Gauranga Das <gauranga wrote: > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Stephen, > > Namaste. > > > > Jai Shri Ram, > > > > In his translation and discussion of BPHS, > Sharma > > > states a few things > > > > that are difficult for me to grasp. If anyone > has > > > clarification I > > > > would be grateful. > > > > 1. He translates Parashara as saying that the > Sun > > > is auspicious in > > > > the first house but inauspicious elsewhere. > This > > > makes no sense to me > > > > for two reasons. First, as Karaka for the > first > > > house (self), my > > > > understanding is that Sun in the first house > will > > > produce an over- > > > > egotistical individual unless there are > balancing > > > influences such as > > > > aspects by benefics, exaltation, etc.. Second, > the > > > sun in rashis > > > > owned by friends or in its mooltrikon or > > > exaltation in other houses > > > > should also produce good results. > > I'm not an expert in Sudarshan Chakra, so I invite > other Jyotish Gurus to comment also, > but I will try to say a few words myself. The > Sudarshan Chakra consists of three > concentric circles, where the lagna, Moon and Sun > are placed on top of each other, the > resto fo the signs shifted conveniently. These three > levels will represent the body, mind > and soul of the individual. i think that Parasara > intends to say that people with the Sun > in Lagna are very spiritual, as the Sudarshan > Chakra's lowest and highest levels are > harmonised. Maybe if the Moon is there also, then > all three are harmonised, which is not > god fro the lower twol levels separately, but may be > very good for spirituality. People > having the Sun, Moon and Lagna in the same house are > not always unsuccessful. Bear in mind > that they will probably have their Hora and Ghati > lagnas also there. Queen Victoria for > example had such a chart. > > > > > 2.Sharma at one point says that in deciding > the > > > number of auspicious > > > > vargas in saptavarga chakra " more importance > is > > > given to the natural > > > > beneficence thant to the criteria of friendly > > > relationship " but when > > > > Sharma illustrates this point by an example he > > > considers placement in > > > > a friendly varga to be auspicious. > > Parasara clears this up before that on page 607, > slokas 15-16. If a (natural) benefic > planet has many inauspicious vargas, then it will > deliver malefic results, and vice versa. > So this is akin to Vimsopaka bala. > > > > > 3. For Rahu and Ketu, Sharma translates > Parashara > > > as indicating that > > > > whenever Ra and Ke are in a house the house is > > > harmed. This seems to > > > > contradict the principle that a planet > produces > > > good effects when it > > > > has a preponderence of auspicious vargas. > > I would say that benefic vargas play a stronger role > in Judiging the results of Sudarshan > Cakra dasas than in other Dasas, still they will not > completely nullify the basic nature > of the planets. I could imaginte that Rahu or Ketu > ebven while being in benefic vargas > will produce mixed effects., i.e. Rahu's effects may > seem to be beneficial, whereas in > reaity they will be harmful spiritually, and the > opposite will be working for Ketu/ > > Yours, > > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > <gauranga > Phone:+36-309-140-839 > > > > > Could you give page numbers ofr the above > quotes? I > > > will look up and then react. > > > FOR POINT 1 ABOUT SUN IN 1ST, P.605, VOL.2. > > FOR POINT 2, GREATER SIGNIFICANCE TO NATURAL > > BENEFICENCE IS PROPOSED BY SHARMA ON P.610;THE > > PLACEMENT OF THE PLANETS IN SAPTAVARGA IS ON P. > 609. > > FOR POINT 3, ON P.614 SHARMA TRANSLATES PARASHARA > AS > > SAYING RA & KE IN ANGLES, TRINES OR 8TH FROM THE > DASHA > > LORD PRODUCES HARM TO THE HOUSES. > > > > 4. In his analysis of the application of the > > > principles (p. 611-612), > > > > Sharma seems only to be analyzing the houses > in > > > terms of the lagna > > > > circle, neglecting the Sun and Moon circles. > It's > > > not clear to me > > > > why he does this: perhaps he intends for us to > > > analyze each circle in > > > > turn but that seems to go against the > comphrensive > > > approach Parashara > > > > seems to intend for Sudarshan Chakra. > > > > > > The principles for interpretation listed by > Parasara > > > from Sloka 7 onwards refer to all > > > three circles and we should see them together, > > > that's why they are drawn in one column in > > > the Sudarshan Chakra table. The interpretation > given > > > by Sharma is just an example, and it > > > can be done in a more comprehensive manner. > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > > > <gauranga > > > Phone:+36-309-140-839 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thousands of Stores. Millions of > Products. > > / > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > > Archive: varahamihira > > Info: > varahamihira/info.html > > > > > > > > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2000 Report Share Posted December 3, 2000 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Steve, Namaste. > Jai Jagannatha! > Thanks, Gauranga. But why will the sun, which > spiritualizes in the first house, house of self and > attachment, not spiritualize elsewhere? > Steve Well, my guess would be is that we ususally consider the Sun as benefic for dharma and marriage, but as malefic regarding all other significations. Hence, influencing other areas than the above two, he will act as a natural malefic, and cause harm, for example by burning other planets off. But if he influences the Upapada or the 9th house, that may be considered as benefic, and for other areas, as a malefic. But I would like to hear Grudeva's explanation on Sudarshana Chakra if possible as to be honest it's quite vague for me as well. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer <gauranga Phone:+36-309-140-839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2000 Report Share Posted December 5, 2000 Jai Shri Ram, Gauranga, I too would like to hear Gurudeva's explanation. Particularly as I happened to remember this morning that Parashara specifically says that Sudarshan Chakra cannot be used when either the Sun or the Moon or both are in the lagna. That seems to mean that the only circumstances under which the Sun is auspicious in Sudarshan Chakra are the circumstances under which Sudarshan Chakra can't be used. Returning to your thoughts though, about Sun's malefic influence: my understanding of malefic/benefic, auspicious/inauspicious is somewhat fledgling, although I think about it a lot. Given your view what comes to my mind is that the Sun in other positions will make material life uncomfortable so a person is forced to turn within in order to find resources for becoming more comfortable. That would mean, of course, that anyone who is concerned with spiritual growth will actually find that what seems at first to be inauspicious later turns out to be maximally blessing, maximally auspicious. Again, my mind boggles a little as it attempts to translate translations of Parashara's concise statements into the basic nature of All-in-All reality as it is personified in a particular chart. I would very much like to hear Gurudeva's explanation, especially if he's willing to illustrate with a few charts. Jai Jagannatha! Steve Sufian --- Gauranga Das <gauranga wrote: > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Steve, > > Namaste. > > > Jai Jagannatha! > > Thanks, Gauranga. But why will the sun, which > > spiritualizes in the first house, house of self > and > > attachment, not spiritualize elsewhere? > > Steve > > Well, my guess would be is that we ususally consider > the Sun as benefic for dharma and > marriage, but as malefic regarding all other > significations. Hence, influencing other > areas than the above two, he will act as a natural > malefic, and cause harm, for example by > burning other planets off. But if he influences the > Upapada or the 9th house, that may be > considered as benefic, and for other areas, as a > malefic. But I would like to hear > Grudeva's explanation on Sudarshana Chakra if > possible as to be honest it's quite vague > for me as well. > > Yours, > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > <gauranga > Phone:+36-309-140-839 > > > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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