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Monday, July 27, 2009 1:55 PM

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Cc: teli Shanmukha

[vedic astrology] RE: Re: 2 New Jaimini Manuscripts Uploaded

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Dear PVR ji,

 

 

 

Namaste.

 

 

 

I am attaching sthira karaka chapter from “Jaimini Sutramirtham†by Sri

Iranganti Rangacharya. As we are discussing whether Rahu can be taken as AK or

not, I thought this chapter would throw us more light or stir our thoughts. Can

you please go through the attached chapter (if you have not read the book

before) and provide us your comments? We all will be extremely grateful if a

Sanskrit scholar like you has a look at this chapter and provide comments?

 

 

 

Dear Shanmukha,

 

 

 

I might be making a mistake here by posting a chapter from your Guru ji’s book

with out seeking prior permission. Kindly excuse me for this. I could not resist

posting it here.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

nagarjuna

 

 

 

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[sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ] On Behalf

Of Narasimha PVR Rao

Friday, July 10, 2009 5:03 PM

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Re: 2 New Jaimini Manuscripts Uploaded - Saptarishis

Astrology

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste,

 

> We request Jaimini Astrology scholars especially who know Sanskrit to

> kindly translate the above two commentaries and get it published

> anywhere for the benefit of jyotishis. As told to us the Venkatesh

> Vyakhya (commentary) contains when & how to use 7 charakaraka in 8

> planets scheme (not 7), why Rahu cannot be Atmakaraka, a fact not known

> to us today.

 

Though it was very tough given the quality of scanning the difficult

hand-writing, I attempted to read the sections in Venkatesha Vyakhya related to

chara karaka calculation. I do not find any statements that Rahu cannot be

Atmakaraka. On the contrary, he seems to suggest the possibility of Rahu being

aatma kaaraka.

 

The sutra of Jaimini is: " aatmaadhikaH kalaadibhiH nabhogaH saptaanaaM

aShTamaanaaM vaa " (aatmaa is the higher planet by kalas, among seven or eight).

 

Venkatesha expands this in his commentary as " ravyaadiinaaM shanyantaanaaM

saptaanaaM raahvantaanaaM aShTaanaaM vaa madhye yo nabhogo grahaH " (among the

seven planets starting from Sun and ending with Saturn or the eight planets

ending with Rahu, whichever planet that moves in the sky). If Rahu is not

allowed to be AK, there is no need to specifically mention " eight planets ending

with Rahu " in the commentary on the sutra dealing with the calculation of AK.

Thus, whoever interpreted Venkatesha vyakhya to you has misunderstood and jumped

to conclusions.

 

Some scholars may have interpreted the word " nabhoga " that is used in the

commentary as a qualifier to the word " graha " (planet) to imply a physical

planet and hence ruled out Rahu. However, nabhoga only means " one who moves in

the sky " and could indicate Rahu too. It does not exclude mathematical points

(or celestial beings representing mathematical points) that move in the sky.

 

The way I read it, Jaimini used " nabhoga " to mean a planet and Venkatesha caused

confusion by using both the words nabhoga and graha. The word nabhoga itself can

mean planet and there is no need to use both the words nabhoga and graha. Some

scholars may be tempted to read between the lines from this double expression,

but one should not miss the obvious reference to " eight planets ending with

Rahu " .

 

I absolutely do not see Venkatesha endorsing the view that Rahu cannot be aatma

kaaraka.

 

* * *

 

> This particular manuscript was given to a famous Jaimini astrologer

> ParamGuru from a parampara in front of us in Jan 2005 at a jyotish

> conference but inspite of 4 years passing by not a single page has come

> from his kind self, maybe he got busy & blame cannot be put on one

> single person for not coming out with the translation,

 

If there isn't ANY intention to " blame " , then why even mention this?

 

Different people pursue different priorities. It is wrong to expect specific

things from people and be disappointed.

 

* * *

 

> Let us leave something

> meaningful to read for our future births as astrologers.

 

A very noble way to put it! Yes, what we do, write and spread is not just for

others, but for our own sake too. It expands our safety net if we were to come

back!

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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> Dear Friends,

>

> On this auspicious occasion of Guru Poornima, pls find 2 new manuscripts

> of Jaimini Sutras commentary that were hitherto unavailable. These have

> been uploaded due to the kindness of Mr Ravindra Bhagavat. The

> manuscripts can be found at

> http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php

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>

> We request Jaimini Astrology scholars especially who know Sanskrit to

> kindly translate the above two commentaries and get it published

> anywhere for the benefit of jyotishis. As told to us the Venkatesh

> Vyakhya (commentary) contains when & how to use 7 charakaraka in 8

> planets scheme (not 7), why Rahu cannot be Atmakaraka, a fact not known

> to us today. Most important is when any shastra is taught the Guru (if

> from a parampara) needs to quote the various ancient commentaries on

> that subject along with the shloka as per tradition, this practice has

> been followed since time immemorial in India and now it is extinct and

> hence degradation of shastra and as a result Dharma happens.

>

> This particular manuscript was given to a famous Jaimini astrologer

> ParamGuru from a parampara in front of us in Jan 2005 at a jyotish

> conference but inspite of 4 years passing by not a single page has come

> from his kind self, maybe he got busy & blame cannot be put on one

> single person for not coming out with the translation, we all must come

> together and do a joint effort, so we request all jaimini astrology

> lovers to come forward and get it translated otherwise the state of

> Jaimini astrology will continue to remain in darkness and only

> misguidance to clients and self will be achieved. Let us leave something

> meaningful to read for our future births as astrologers.

>

> Regards,

>

> Admin

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>

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We all will be extremely grateful if aSanskrit scholar like you has a look at this chapter and provide comments? Dear Shanmukha, I might be making a mistake here by posting a chapter from your Guru ji’s bookwith out seeking prior permission. Kindly excuse me for this. I could notresist posting it here. Regards, nagarjuna ________________________________ sohamsa [sohamsa ]On Behalf Of Narasimha PVR Rao Friday, July 10, 2009 5:03 PM sohamsa ;vedic astrology Subject: Re: 2 New Jaimini Manuscripts Uploaded - SaptarishisAstrology Namaste, > We request Jaimini Astrology scholars especially who know Sanskrit to > kindly translate the above two commentaries and get it published > anywhere for the benefit of jyotishis. As told to us the Venkatesh > Vyakhya (commentary) contains when & how to use 7 charakaraka in 8 > planets scheme (not 7), why Rahu cannot be Atmakaraka, a fact not known > to us today. Though it was very tough given the quality of scanning the difficulthand-writing, I attempted to read the sections in Venkatesha Vyakhya related tochara karaka calculation. I do not find any statements that Rahu cannot beAtmakaraka. On the contrary, he seems to suggest the possibility of Rahu beingaatma kaaraka. The sutra of Jaimini is: " aatmaadhikaH kalaadibhiH nabhogaH saptaanaaMaShTamaanaaM vaa " (aatmaa is the higher planet by kalas, among seven oreight). Venkatesha expands this in his commentary as " ravyaadiinaaM shanyantaanaaMsaptaanaaM raahvantaanaaM aShTaanaaM vaa madhye yo nabhogo grahaH " (amongthe seven planets starting from Sun and ending with Saturn or the eight planetsending with Rahu, whichever planet that moves in the sky). If Rahu is notallowed to be AK, there is no need to specifically mention " eight planetsending with Rahu " in the commentary on the sutra dealing with the calculationof AK. Thus, whoever interpreted Venkatesha vyakhya to you has misunderstoodand jumped to conclusions. Some scholars may have interpreted the word " nabhoga " that is used inthe commentary as a qualifier to the word " graha " (planet) to imply aphysical planet and hence ruled out Rahu. However, nabhoga only means " onewho moves in the sky " and could indicate Rahu too. It does not excludemathematical points (or celestial beings representing mathematical points) thatmove in the sky. The way I read it, Jaimini used " nabhoga " to mean a planet andVenkatesha caused confusion by using both the words nabhoga and graha. The wordnabhoga itself can mean planet and there is no need to use both the wordsnabhoga and graha. Some scholars may be tempted to read between the lines fromthis double expression, but one should not miss the obvious reference to " eight planets ending with Rahu " . I absolutely do not see Venkatesha endorsing the view that Rahu cannot be aatmakaaraka. * * * > This particular manuscript was given to a famous Jaimini astrologer > ParamGuru from a parampara in front of us in Jan 2005 at a jyotish > conference but inspite of 4 years passing by not a single page has come > from his kind self, maybe he got busy & blame cannot be put on one > single person for not coming out with the translation, If there isn't ANY intention to " blame " , then why even mention this? Different people pursue different priorities. It is wrong to expect specificthings from people and be disappointed. * * * > Let us leave something > meaningful to read for our future births as astrologers. A very noble way to put it! Yes, what we do, write and spread is not just forothers, but for our own sake too. It expands our safety net if we were to comeback! Best regards, Narasimha -------------------------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam<http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana<http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>Spirituality: <>Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net<http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org<http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org<http://www.SriJagannath.org>---------------------------- In sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , Sanjay Prabhakaran<sanjaychettiar wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > saptarishisastrology <saptarishisastrology > 2009/7/7 > [vedic astrology] 2 New Jaimini Manuscripts Uploaded - > Saptarishis Astrology > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > > Dear Friends, > > On this auspicious occasion of Guru Poornima, pls find 2 new manuscripts > of Jaimini Sutras commentary that were hitherto unavailable. These have > been uploaded due to the kindness of Mr Ravindra Bhagavat. The > manuscripts can be found at > http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php>> <http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php>> > > · Jaimini Sutras – Venkatesh Vyakhya > <http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php>> – as provided > by Ravindra Bhagavat. > [http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif>] > > · Jaimini Sutras – Balakrishnanda Saraswati > <http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php>> – as provided > by Ravindra Bhagavat. > [http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif>] > > We request Jaimini Astrology scholars especially who know Sanskrit to > kindly translate the above two commentaries and get it published > anywhere for the benefit of jyotishis. As told to us the Venkatesh > Vyakhya (commentary) contains when & how to use 7 charakaraka in 8 > planets scheme (not 7), why Rahu cannot be Atmakaraka, a fact not known > to us today. Most important is when any shastra is taught the Guru (if > from a parampara) needs to quote the various ancient commentaries on > that subject along with the shloka as per tradition, this practice has > been followed since time immemorial in India and now it is extinct and > hence degradation of shastra and as a result Dharma happens. > > This particular manuscript was given to a famous Jaimini astrologer > ParamGuru from a parampara in front of us in Jan 2005 at a jyotish > conference but inspite of 4 years passing by not a single page has come > from his kind self, maybe he got busy & blame cannot be put on one > single person for not coming out with the translation, we all must come > together and do a joint effort, so we request all jaimini astrology > lovers to come forward and get it translated otherwise the state of > Jaimini astrology will continue to remain in darkness and only > misguidance to clients and self will be achieved. Let us leave something > meaningful to read for our future births as astrologers. > > Regards, > > Admin > Saptarishis Astrology - Free Digital Global Astro Magazine > > As Read In 96 Countries > > www.saptarishisastrology.com <www.saptarishisastrology.com>> > ************************************************************************\> ************************************************************************\> ********************************************************> Everything in this e-mail and attachments relating to the official > business of Saptarishis Astrology is proprietary to the company. Any > view or opinion expressed in this message may be the view of the > individual and should not automatically be ascribed to the company. If > you are not the intended recipient, you may not peruse, use, > disseminate, distribute or copy this message. 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