Trying to understand 'Ishta' for those who do not worship in particular forms....

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Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha,

Dear Nitin,

There is a hardly way that the pattern for Ishta will be the same. Grahas

will fall into different rasis, and there would be different grahas

influencing (rasi or graha dristi) 12th from karakamsa. All graha

infleunces on 12th from Karakamsa do count, however there is an order. So

more care should be taken in this. Sometimes, people do chose harder way

in spirituality and start with the worship of devatas represented by

grahas having graha dristi only, to further move into the graha in 12th or

its lord if empty. Sometimes, the circumstances take you to worship of

devatas represented by graha having rasi dristi on the 12th. Some rare

souls are capable to chose much harder way and reach good through the

weakest graha. IT all depends on the perspective. So we should not blindly

(as you said)say that the same graha would indicate the same worship in

charts of different people.

Best wishes

Zoran

 

> ||| Aum Krishna Guru |||

>

> Dear List Members, Namaskaar...

>

> Let's not use " Ishtaamsa, " though it is understood what position you are

> referring to in the vargas (subdivisonal charts). [There are so many

> terms to learn and grasp, why create a new one?]

>

> " Jivan Muktaamsa " perhaps would be better as it is referred to in

> Chandra Kala Naadi.

>

> 2 people with the same Ishta need not feel attracted to the same deity

> (if inclined to worship) or the same form. What the person finds closer

> in his/her heart will be a representation found from the Vimsamsa (D20).

>

>

> Sourav -- Chandra (Moon) as a graha (planet) represents jiva atman. The

> Rashi holding it would represent jar atman.

>

> For a wholistic perspective, consider both.

>

> Hope some of this helps. May the Gurus continue to guide us.

>

> Best wishes,

> Nitin,

>

> || Namah Shivaaya ||

>

>

>

>

>

> --

> " Sourav Chowdhury " <souravc108

> sohamsa

> Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:54:59 -0000

>

>>--

>

>>

>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

>>

>>Dear Nitin and SanjayP-ji,

>>

>> namaskar. Both of you

>> have raised very good

>> points. I was reading

>> Kapilopadesha (a

>> segment of

>> Bhagavatam) in which

>> Maharshi Kalipa

>> describes, how

>> worship of various

>> grades of deities

>> result in going to

>> various lokas after

>> birth, the highest

>> loka being Satya loka

>> which is achieved by

>> worship of Mahavishnu

>> (of which Sri Kapila

>> is an incarnation).

>> This indicates that

>>

>>(a) there are indeed various grades of deities

>>

>>Or

>>

>>(b) it is the same 'overall' deity and we are worshipping an aspect of

>> Him/Her and that forms our deity.

>>

>>Tamasika grahas in the 12-th from karakaamsa (can we call this

>> Ishtaamsa ?) can show a lower aspect of deity inwhich tamasika

>> qualities are more manifest. Opposite for Satvika grahas. Rasi

>> drishti(s) on and ownership of this Ishtaamsa is also to be considered.

>> This is my understanding.

>>

>>Another thought is that, say there are two persons with same AK graha

>> having same Ju in the Ishtaamsa. Does it mean that they are appealing

>> to the same deity ? I doubt. Each individual is different. If two

>> persons worships the same form of Sri Vishnu, there is a difference in

>> the worship (in desire of objects for which worship is made or in

>> intensity of longing, say.) Thus we should take into account the rasi

>> aspects, lorship and more importantly (to my understanding) the rasi

>> itself of the Ishtaamsa.

>>

>>Nitin, is it because of Mo or it is because of some jalatatva rasi in

>> the Ishtamsa of that singer/composer ? I understand it as Ishtaamsa is

>> the place of repose of the soul (which it can get by getting rid of

>> maayik experiences) and the graha sitting in there/influencing it, it

>> the deity/conciousness to whom the native (bound soul) seeks this

>> repose/refuge. Agnostics have such deities as well whether they want to

>> believe it or not.

>>

>>Best wishes,

>>

>>Sourav

>>

>>==============================================================================\

==============

>> sohamsa , " Nitin K " <sjc@j...> wrote:

>>>

>>> ||| Aum Krishna Guru |||

>>>

>>> Dear Sonali Ji and Samjay P, Namaskaar.

>>>

>>> Allow me to share some of my thoughts. The below is subjective and

>>> could be considered speculative.

>>>

>>> There is a segment in society who do not believe in idol worship or

>>> cannot find God in any particular form. This does not indicate a lack

>>> of divinity or spirituality.

>>>

>>> Here is an approach I try to follow when such a person asks for

>>> guidance and the 12th from Kaarakamsa has to be revealed...

>>>

>>> Use the elements and nature.

>>>

>>> For example, the higher spirit we commonly refer to as God may speak

>>> to a person having the Moon (Chandra) in this position, when visiting

>>> water bodies. [in one of the conferences, a chart of a singer from

>>> " The Beach Boys " was discussed. This celebrity felt a divine purpose

>>> near the water and authored many songs about the beach, etc.]

>>>

>>> Likewise, the Sun in such a position may have a person speak to him

>>> with representations of sun-rise, day-break, twilight, etc.

>>>

>>> Hope some of these thoughts help.

>>>

>>> Best wishes,

>>> Nitin.

>>>

>>> || Namah Shivaaya ||

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> --

>>> Sanjay Prabhakaran sanjaychettiar@g...

>>> sohamsa

>>> Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:31:22 -0500

>>>

>>> >--

>>>

>>> >|| Om Gurave Namah ||

>>> >

>>> >Dear Sonali,

>>> >

>>> > You can call me Sanjay without a Ji.

>>> >

>>> >>When it is said that 'worship of good or evil deities', how do we

>>> co-relate that with people who dont do puja and such ?

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > In Jaimini Sutra (Ref:Jaimini Updesa/SRath) malefics in 12th from

>>> Ak can

>>> >give worship of lower dieties (Ketu not malefic here).

>>> > Also Maharishi says Venus if being the 12th lord from Ak can gives

>>> worship

>>> >of of lower dieties too.

>>> >Refer charts like Hitler or Ted Bundy (given in last Jyotish Digest)

>>> Note thier 12th from Ak is lorded by Venus and Venus was the Ak.

>>> >

>>> >My understanding is, 12th from Ak is Ishta, Ishta means just the

>>> desires of the soul. Now when we worship higherforms then it becomes

>>> Ishta Devata. 12th from Ak is the natural desires of the soul.

>>> Everybody has some Ishta follows that path. Naturally a native will

>>> be drawn to matters related to 12th Ak and give the person " a

>>> purpose " . But proper worship I think we just make sure we are in the

>>> right path.

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >Warm Regards

>>> >Sanjay P

>>> >

>>> >Hare Rama Krishna

>

>

>

>

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||| Aum Krishna Guru |||

 

Dear Zoran and List members, Namaksaar.

 

Zoran -- I am in full agreement with you.

:>

 

The same graha would not indicate the same worship in

charts of different people.

 

On another note, I recall a few months ago you came across a chart where the

lord of the Kaarakamsa was the same as the same as the Chara Atmakaraka.

 

Did Gurudev give nay further perspective regarding the Ishta here?

[i know the whole chart has to be seen in perspective, but I don't think you

gave out the birth details.]

 

Best wishes,

Nitin.

 

 

|| Namah Shivaaya ||

 

 

 

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ahimsa

Sat, 3 Dec 2005 13:21:23 +0100 (CET)

 

>Om Hrim Gam Hrim MahaGanapataye Namah Svaha,

>Dear Nitin,

>There is a hardly way that the pattern for Ishta will be the same. Grahas

>will fall into different rasis, and there would be different grahas

>influencing (rasi or graha dristi) 12th from karakamsa. All graha

>infleunces on 12th from Karakamsa do count, however there is an order. So

>more care should be taken in this. Sometimes, people do chose harder way

>in spirituality and start with the worship of devatas represented by

>grahas having graha dristi only, to further move into the graha in 12th or

>its lord if empty. Sometimes, the circumstances take you to worship of

>devatas represented by graha having rasi dristi on the 12th. Some rare

>souls are capable to chose much harder way and reach good through the

>weakest graha. IT all depends on the perspective. So we should not blindly

>(as you said)say that the same graha would indicate the same worship in

>charts of different people.

>Best wishes

>Zoran

>

>> ||| Aum Krishna Guru |||

>>

>> Dear List Members, Namaskaar...

>>

>> Let's not use " Ishtaamsa, " though it is understood what position you are

>> referring to in the vargas (subdivisonal charts). [There are so many

>> terms to learn and grasp, why create a new one?]

>>

>> " Jivan Muktaamsa " perhaps would be better as it is referred to in

>> Chandra Kala Naadi.

>>

>> 2 people with the same Ishta need not feel attracted to the same deity

>> (if inclined to worship) or the same form. What the person finds closer

>> in his/her heart will be a representation found from the Vimsamsa (D20).

>>

>>

>> Sourav -- Chandra (Moon) as a graha (planet) represents jiva atman. The

>> Rashi holding it would represent jar atman.

>>

>> For a wholistic perspective, consider both.

>>

>> Hope some of this helps. May the Gurus continue to guide us.

>>

>> Best wishes,

>> Nitin,

>>

>> || Namah Shivaaya ||

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> --

>> " Sourav Chowdhury " <souravc108

>> sohamsa

>> Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:54:59 -0000

>>

>>>--

>>

>>>

>>>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

>>>

>>>Dear Nitin and SanjayP-ji,

>>>

>>> namaskar. Both of you

>>> have raised very good

>>> points. I was reading

>>> Kapilopadesha (a

>>> segment of

>>> Bhagavatam) in which

>>> Maharshi Kalipa

>>> describes, how

>>> worship of various

>>> grades of deities

>>> result in going to

>>> various lokas after

>>> birth, the highest

>>> loka being Satya loka

>>> which is achieved by

>>> worship of Mahavishnu

>>> (of which Sri Kapila

>>> is an incarnation).

>>> This indicates that

>>>

>>>(a) there are indeed various grades of deities

>>>

>>>Or

>>>

>>>(b) it is the same 'overall' deity and we are worshipping an aspect of

>>> Him/Her and that forms our deity.

>>>

>>>Tamasika grahas in the 12-th from karakaamsa (can we call this

>>> Ishtaamsa ?) can show a lower aspect of deity inwhich tamasika

>>> qualities are more manifest. Opposite for Satvika grahas. Rasi

>>> drishti(s) on and ownership of this Ishtaamsa is also to be considered.

>>> This is my understanding.

>>>

>>>Another thought is that, say there are two persons with same AK graha

>>> having same Ju in the Ishtaamsa. Does it mean that they are appealing

>>> to the same deity ? I doubt. Each individual is different. If two

>>> persons worships the same form of Sri Vishnu, there is a difference in

>>> the worship (in desire of objects for which worship is made or in

>>> intensity of longing, say.) Thus we should take into account the rasi

>>> aspects, lorship and more importantly (to my understanding) the rasi

>>> itself of the Ishtaamsa.

>>>

>>>Nitin, is it because of Mo or it is because of some jalatatva rasi in

>>> the Ishtamsa of that singer/composer ? I understand it as Ishtaamsa is

>>> the place of repose of the soul (which it can get by getting rid of

>>> maayik experiences) and the graha sitting in there/influencing it, it

>>> the deity/conciousness to whom the native (bound soul) seeks this

>>> repose/refuge. Agnostics have such deities as well whether they want to

>>> believe it or not.

>>>

>>>Best wishes,

>>>

>>>Sourav

>>>

>>>=============================================================================\

===============

>>> sohamsa , " Nitin K " <sjc@j...> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> ||| Aum Krishna Guru |||

>>>>

>>>> Dear Sonali Ji and Samjay P, Namaskaar.

>>>>

>>>> Allow me to share some of my thoughts. The below is subjective and

>>>> could be considered speculative.

>>>>

>>>> There is a segment in society who do not believe in idol worship or

>>>> cannot find God in any particular form. This does not indicate a lack

>>>> of divinity or spirituality.

>>>>

>>>> Here is an approach I try to follow when such a person asks for

>>>> guidance and the 12th from Kaarakamsa has to be revealed...

>>>>

>>>> Use the elements and nature.

>>>>

>>>> For example, the higher spirit we commonly refer to as God may speak

>>>> to a person having the Moon (Chandra) in this position, when visiting

>>>> water bodies. [in one of the conferences, a chart of a singer from

>>>> " The Beach Boys " was discussed. This celebrity felt a divine purpose

>>>> near the water and authored many songs about the beach, etc.]

>>>>

>>>> Likewise, the Sun in such a position may have a person speak to him

>>>> with representations of sun-rise, day-break, twilight, etc.

>>>>

>>>> Hope some of these thoughts help.

>>>>

>>>> Best wishes,

>>>> Nitin.

>>>>

>>>> || Namah Shivaaya ||

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Sanjay Prabhakaran sanjaychettiar@g...

>>>> sohamsa

>>>> Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:31:22 -0500

>>>>

>>>> >--

>>>>

>>>> >|| Om Gurave Namah ||

>>>> >

>>>> >Dear Sonali,

>>>> >

>>>> > You can call me Sanjay without a Ji.

>>>> >

>>>> >>When it is said that 'worship of good or evil deities', how do we

>>>> co-relate that with people who dont do puja and such ?

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> > In Jaimini Sutra (Ref:Jaimini Updesa/SRath) malefics in 12th from

>>>> Ak can

>>>> >give worship of lower dieties (Ketu not malefic here).

>>>> > Also Maharishi says Venus if being the 12th lord from Ak can gives

>>>> worship

>>>> >of of lower dieties too.

>>>> >Refer charts like Hitler or Ted Bundy (given in last Jyotish Digest)

>>>> Note thier 12th from Ak is lorded by Venus and Venus was the Ak.

>>>> >

>>>> >My understanding is, 12th from Ak is Ishta, Ishta means just the

>>>> desires of the soul. Now when we worship higherforms then it becomes

>>>> Ishta Devata. 12th from Ak is the natural desires of the soul.

>>>> Everybody has some Ishta follows that path. Naturally a native will

>>>> be drawn to matters related to 12th Ak and give the person " a

>>>> purpose " . But proper worship I think we just make sure we are in the

>>>> right path.

>>>> >

>>>> >

>>>> >Warm Regards

>>>> >Sanjay P

>>>> >

>>>> >Hare Rama Krishna

 

 

 

 

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