Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Maja,Just a few thoughts - Jupiter is darakaraka, lord of pancami tithi, and placed in UL. Jupiter is in MKS. This does not bode well for relationships eh? Based on this, we should not be suprised that the significations of Jupiter were not endowed in this partner.3rd house shows short distance travels and with Mercury there, along with Venus (vehicles), a taxi driver is not so far fetched. Mars exalted in the 3rd from there will definately give a lot of energy, and with Mercury in a martian sign sports and games were a main activity for him. Shukra in Scorpio is a magnetic attraction.Moon is afflicted by three exalted malefics and is debilitated in Navamsa. If we bring that same Moon back into the rasi it falls right on that upapada showing a lot of mental and emotional turmoil.Lets look to the next relationship - Rahu in Gemini. Can't think of anyone of the top of my head, but I'll keep my eyes peeled:)Respectfully,Michalmajastrbacastro <majastrbacastro Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:23:23 AM[Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL questionOm Gurave Namah Dear Rafal, Namaste (knowing myself, this is going to be a huge email...) I really feel so bad to bother you with this issue so much. You do have better and more constructive things to do on this list. Reason why I posted my birth data to you was just to hear one more opinion of that UL in my chart. Anyone learned in Jyotish would interpret it in the same manner that you did. I have heard such opinion before. Today when I know much more about Jytish than I did a year or two ago, in case somebody would come to me with that UL and ask for my opinion I would say the same thing. That it brings such partner like the one that your "paste tense" girlfriend got. So... you can stop here and reply to me simply with "I give up" or option number 2 is to read rest of this email and... In that case I see us as gray haired in a rocking chair still typing over this issue via email. Here we go. My complete emotional life. Nothing left out. I shall copy/paste some points from your previous mail. "There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make the native biased about the close ones." You are free to say that this is me, no need to call me "native", I can admit my own failures. This is true. I have whole bunch of psychological defensive mechanisms. "UL is fixed when you think about one person throughout a year." Now if this includes crushes which never led to a realized relationship, I had at least five of them in this category that lasted for longer than a year (all of them after I was 15). Before this longest relationship of all I had two of them that lasted for four months. First one was very important, and as far as I am concerned that was the only normal relationship that I ever had. He was knowledgeable, intelligent, with very good science of humor, sweet, it was like we knew each other for decades before we met. He is history because he is little bit too attached to his mom. He happened in spring of 2000. The other one is completely irrelevant. And then came along those "six years" I was talking about. I met him when I was 18. The only things I can connect to him from my chart is that he is really one very dear person with good intensions. Sukra is also on UL. He is beautiful by all means. Fatally beautiful. That relationship was very much based on physical attraction. Ketu in second from UL. First three years were complete mess. I can not even define if we were together for real. Lord of UL in second from it, he cared much more to sustain that relationship then I ever tried. Other than that he is quite simple person. He graduated on high school and that is it about his education. He works as a cab driver. Other interests are soccer, basketball and tennis. He is not intellectual and knowledgeable. Typical simple male. And I thought that I had no problem with that. I got used to it. When I was 18 he was top of perfection by all my criteria. Problem came as I was growing up. We became so obviously different. Yet I was going around telling people that he is perfect for me and never let anyone to notice that truth is much different and point at it to me. Being all that sweet and supportive he was my shelter from real world, from problems at home, from somebody new who could cause pain. I was so scared to leave. And I was scared to hurt him by leaving. Defense mechanism? Last year I even tried to convince myself that I should spend my whole life with him, because that is o.k. to him. Lets come back to Prashna chart from last night, you had a point. I was constantly under some not so serious, but boring health problems since 2006. There was family/money and 4th bhava issue at the time of brake up. The only way to live together was at his parents home. In one horrible set of events I tried that as well. Ouch! Money issue... I would be ready to deal with it only in case if I had ever seen him doing something about it, instead of running away from problems, being lazy and behaving like teenager about it. That was largest obstacle. I could not imagine father of my children behaving as adopted sibling to them. So as I said, I woke up one morning and truth hit me in all variety of its colors. Brake up was very sudden even to me (04. February this year). One thing I am certain. I am not coming back. I am very healthy right now. When my home situation improved I collected enough strength to brake up. Maybe I am selfish as well, o.k. So, as you see, when a female describes her emotional life it can not be simple and without too many details. I tried in previous emails, but you insisted on the story. (Oh, would you like me to send you some headache pills by DHL?) So, how many Upapadas is that? 8? 3? 2? 1? 0? Don't forget that Prasna from last night. Take it in consideration. It showed that I am still on the very beginning. I do feel like that. Like nothing happened. Like he newer was there. (I suppose you won't be much around this list for few days just until you recover from this) Best regards, Maja , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > 1. There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make the > native biased about the close ones. The first Upapada MUST be > knowledgable, intelligent and kind of pravraja - just accept that. I > dont know if mentioned partner was the first, second or third - but the > first one was like that. Spirituality can be lacking due to other points > but pravraja tendency is there. UL is fixed when you think about one > person throughout a year. > > 2. So we still dont know exactly what was the issue with breaking the > relationship? Moon in eigth in D9 shows no real love, emotion - thats > the real cause - the excuse can be read by examining third and forth > bhavas in Rasi. > > I cast the prasna this morning. The issue for breakage was connected to > Rahu, Budha, third and first bhavas, 8L is again with Moon in twelfth. > > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Rafal, > > Namaste > > > > I am very sure he happened. Six years is enough to be sure, don't > > you think? > > > > I am also very, very, very sure that he is past tense for good. And > > I shall tell you one more thing about him: he is so far, far, far > > away from reciting Gayatri or any other mantra or any spirituality > > at all. > > > > (for Gods sake, what is wrong with that Prashna) > > > > Maybe explanation is that so many grahas on UL can bring more than > > one partner connected to first UL. But that was the only long term > > relationship I ever had. > > > > Betrayal... in a way. Woke up one morning and realised what a waste > > of time that was. And illusion. Oh, he was prematurely gray and some > > small speech problems. All rest what that UL shows, NOTHING! > > > > Your girlfriend broke up maybe? (Are you shore you want me to write > > those personal and private things here? Are you shore it is o.k?) > > Would like to chat with her sometimes, there must be some nice > > science of humor. Anyway, from Jagganath point of view, you are > > definitely a Jyotish Guru O.K. About appearance.. . dark eyes, > > Budh in 2nd from first UL, benefic. Well Budh, Guru, Surya, "normal" > > would be the word I suppose. Don't mind me, please, but I think the > > other partner looks prettier with that Sk in trine. Oh, girl is in > > love. (But, Mangal is lording both Upapada, first and second. Maybe > > there was make up?) > > > > Gayatry mantra... oh, God, how far from that > > > > Best regards, > > Maja > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > > > > > Are you sure he was the first one? Lord of UL is strong in both D1 > > and D9. > > > > > > Shukra in UL and eleventh in D9 shows artistic talent, he should > > be > > > spiritual person also - more artistic, very knowledgable. > > > > > > > > > So I doubt you will loose that partner as both Ke/Gu are in forth > > and > > > strong - it could happened (first partner divorce/seperation) with > > > Vrsabha Lagna. > > > > > > Only afflictions comes from pravraja, neecha budha and > > papakartari. > > > Forth/third issues could be the problem > > > > > > Prashna shows Ra in Lg and Sa/Mo in eight as the hidden issues. > > Moon and > > > 2H involvment shows family, whilst Lagnesh and eight shows health > > > issues, 2/8 shows financial aspects whilst rahu involvment both in > > > prasna/navamsa/ rasi shows betrayal. > > > > > > So ? > > > > > > Upapada in Prashna is connected to Budha/Shukra/ Surya so there is > > strong > > > chance you are still at the 1st Upapada. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > well I was wondering what happened with birth data in your > > previous > > > > email. Mercury is definitely having a showtime these days. I > > am > > > > entering birth data of this girl. While looking at her chart, > > here > > > > is something for you. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not asking > > you > > > > for personal reading. I just want to hear your opinion over that > > UL > > > > in my chart and what you think the first partner was like. That > > > > first UL in my chart has a lot in common with 2nd Upapada in this > > > > girls chart. At least by graha positions. So, what do you think? > > > > What was he like? Because I can not in no case connect > > that "chart" > > > > story to that actual story that happened. > > > > > > > > Few Jyotisha slipped on interpretation. I am sending it just for > > > > that sake, not to bother you in this late hours. I already know > > what > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > Sending my comment later. > > > > > > > > My birth data > > > > > > > > DOB: 05. December 1982. > > > > TOB: 01:15 > > > > POB: 17 E 48; 43 N 20; > > > > Time zone: 01h East of GMT > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > The details for previous post: > > > > > > > > > > June 28, 1983 > > > > > Time: 13:53:00 > > > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > Place: 19 E 05' 10", 50 N 19' 10" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com > > <http://rohinaa. com>> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja S(trbac napisa?(a): > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Michal Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > */Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja and co.(rex) > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of > > > > premature > > > > > > ageing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear member, > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > in a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu > > > > being Kula > > > > > > Devata and Moksha karaka. "Moksha" means liberation from > > > > cycle of > > > > > > rebirth. "Kula" means linage, family tradition. In contest > > > > of Vedic > > > > > > understandings the only way to continue family tradition is > > > > to form > > > > > > your own family. Children are must in this case (own or > > > > adopted). > > > > > > One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she forms > > > > a > > > > > > family. This is far from being the one and only condition, > > > > but it is > > > > > > certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why Ketu is > > > > > > considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and > > > > marriage. It > > > > > > contributes continuing family tradition through offspring > > > > and as > > > > > > such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to > > > > Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other side there is another way to accomplish Moksha. > > > > That is > > > > > > celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to > > > > spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be beneficial and > > > > > > maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if there is > > > > > > offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring constant > > > > ups and > > > > > > downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden downs > > > > when > > > > > > least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu. > > > > There can > > > > > > be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is > > > > unstable > > > > > > relationship unless there is offspring. It is recommended to > > > > have > > > > > > children with that certain partner as soon as possible, and > > > > not to > > > > > > delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in > > > > that case > > > > > > marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are more than welcome in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, "corex_57" > > > > <corex_57@ > > > > > > .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello List and Teachers, > > > > > > > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context, > > > > Ketu is > > > > > > > considered a benefic because it is considered that > > > > marriage/ > > > > > > partner > > > > > > > will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering what > > > > Ketu in > > > > > > > second house from UL signify? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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