Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 can someone answer me please? vedic astrology , " uygargokhano " <uygargokhano wrote: > > Hello friends, > I'm new to your group and also vedic astrology too. I live in > istanbul and am an MBA student. I want to ask your help about upa > pada lagna and arudha lagna. > > 2 weeks ago, I've known a new girl who came to my office. We are > friends now and I'm working her English for her hostessing interview > that will occur 1 month later. She wants to be an hostess too much. > > We are now good friends. But I started to love her. > > I was looking at her chart. Her father and mother were devorced when > she was at 6th month. > > I've read an article about karmic love. As I understood, Upa Pada > Lagna is the most important indication in karmic love. > > When I looked at her chart, My Upa Pada lagna is Aquarius. Her > Jupiter is in Aquarius. Her UL is in Capricorn and my Jupiter is in > 7th house from Capricorn. Isn't this a perfectly match or am I wrong? > Our Jupiter - Venus aspects each other too. > > If I'm not wrong, does it show that we are karmic lovers? If this is > right, it's a bad news for me. Why? Because this girl has broken up > with her boyfriend recently and she is very angry about this. She is > so insensitive about being in love because of her ex boy friend > because she was hurt a lot. She says that she's not going to get > married and be in love any more. Shortly she took off, threw > away " love " out of her life. If she's my karmic love, isn't this bad > for me? > > 16.09.1978 , 16:20, Time Zone:3 and Bitlis/Tatvan is my birth data. > Perhaps you still have my data. > > And Her data is 16.03.1986, 7.30 am. Time Zone:2 and Istanbul > > P.s, sorry for my bad English > > Kind Regards, > > Uygar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 is there anyone who can help me about my question please? vedic astrology , " uygargokhano " <uygargokhano wrote: > > Hello friends, > I'm new to your group and also vedic astrology too. I live in > istanbul and am an MBA student. I want to ask your help about upa > pada lagna and arudha lagna. > > 2 weeks ago, I've known a new girl who came to my office. We are > friends now and I'm working her English for her hostessing interview > that will occur 1 month later. She wants to be an hostess too much. > > We are now good friends. But I started to love her. > > I was looking at her chart. Her father and mother were devorced when > she was at 6th month. > > I've read an article about karmic love. As I understood, Upa Pada > Lagna is the most important indication in karmic love. > > When I looked at her chart, My Upa Pada lagna is Aquarius. Her > Jupiter is in Aquarius. Her UL is in Capricorn and my Jupiter is in > 7th house from Capricorn. Isn't this a perfectly match or am I wrong? > Our Jupiter - Venus aspects each other too. > > If I'm not wrong, does it show that we are karmic lovers? If this is > right, it's a bad news for me. Why? Because this girl has broken up > with her boyfriend recently and she is very angry about this. She is > so insensitive about being in love because of her ex boy friend > because she was hurt a lot. She says that she's not going to get > married and be in love any more. Shortly she took off, threw > away " love " out of her life. If she's my karmic love, isn't this bad > for me? > > 16.09.1978 , 16:20, Time Zone:3 and Bitlis/Tatvan is my birth data. > Perhaps you still have my data. > > And Her data is 16.03.1986, 7.30 am. Time Zone:2 and Istanbul > > P.s, sorry for my bad English > > Kind Regards, > > Uygar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Not necessarily. I do not find any link between your Upapada and her chart. More over, remember that if you keep matching like this on a single point basis, one twelfth of all the girls will have such combination and are they all your karmic lovers? kishore patnaik On 1/21/08, uygargokhano <uygargokhano wrote: > > Hello friends, > I'm new to your group and also vedic astrology too. I live in > istanbul and am an MBA student. I want to ask your help about upa > pada lagna and arudha lagna. > > 2 weeks ago, I've known a new girl who came to my office. We are > friends now and I'm working her English for her hostessing interview > that will occur 1 month later. She wants to be an hostess too much. > > We are now good friends. But I started to love her. > > I was looking at her chart. Her father and mother were devorced when > she was at 6th month. > > I've read an article about karmic love. As I understood, Upa Pada > Lagna is the most important indication in karmic love. > > When I looked at her chart, My Upa Pada lagna is Aquarius. Her > Jupiter is in Aquarius. Her UL is in Capricorn and my Jupiter is in > 7th house from Capricorn. Isn't this a perfectly match or am I wrong? > Our Jupiter - Venus aspects each other too. > > If I'm not wrong, does it show that we are karmic lovers? If this is > right, it's a bad news for me. Why? Because this girl has broken up > with her boyfriend recently and she is very angry about this. She is > so insensitive about being in love because of her ex boy friend > because she was hurt a lot. She says that she's not going to get > married and be in love any more. Shortly she took off, threw > away " love " out of her life. If she's my karmic love, isn't this bad > for me? > > 16.09.1978 , 16:20, Time Zone:3 and Bitlis/Tatvan is my birth data. > Perhaps you still have my data. > > And Her data is 16.03.1986, 7.30 am. Time Zone:2 and Istanbul > > P.s, sorry for my bad English > > Kind Regards, > > Uygar > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 well said kishorjee!!! it is so true! regards kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: Not necessarily. I do not find any link between your Upapada and her chart. More over, remember that if you keep matching like this on a single point basis, one twelfth of all the girls will have such combination and are they all your karmic lovers? kishore patnaik On 1/21/08, uygargokhano <uygargokhano wrote: > > Hello friends, > I'm new to your group and also vedic astrology too. I live in > istanbul and am an MBA student. I want to ask your help about upa > pada lagna and arudha lagna. > > 2 weeks ago, I've known a new girl who came to my office. We are > friends now and I'm working her English for her hostessing interview > that will occur 1 month later. She wants to be an hostess too much. > > We are now good friends. But I started to love her. > > I was looking at her chart. Her father and mother were devorced when > she was at 6th month. > > I've read an article about karmic love. As I understood, Upa Pada > Lagna is the most important indication in karmic love. > > When I looked at her chart, My Upa Pada lagna is Aquarius. Her > Jupiter is in Aquarius. Her UL is in Capricorn and my Jupiter is in > 7th house from Capricorn. Isn't this a perfectly match or am I wrong? > Our Jupiter - Venus aspects each other too. > > If I'm not wrong, does it show that we are karmic lovers? If this is > right, it's a bad news for me. Why? Because this girl has broken up > with her boyfriend recently and she is very angry about this. She is > so insensitive about being in love because of her ex boy friend > because she was hurt a lot. She says that she's not going to get > married and be in love any more. Shortly she took off, threw > away " love " out of her life. If she's my karmic love, isn't this bad > for me? > > 16.09.1978 , 16:20, Time Zone:3 and Bitlis/Tatvan is my birth data. > Perhaps you still have my data. > > And Her data is 16.03.1986, 7.30 am. Time Zone:2 and Istanbul > > P.s, sorry for my bad English > > Kind Regards, > > Uygar > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear member, Namaste in a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu being Kula Devata and Moksha karaka. " Moksha " means liberation from cycle of rebirth. " Kula " means linage, family tradition. In contest of Vedic understandings the only way to continue family tradition is to form your own family. Children are must in this case (own or adopted). One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she forms a family. This is far from being the one and only condition, but it is certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why Ketu is considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and marriage. It contributes continuing family tradition through offspring and as such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to Moksha. On the other side there is another way to accomplish Moksha. That is celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to spirituality. Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be beneficial and maintain that relationship/marriage only in case if there is offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring constant ups and downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden downs when least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu. There can be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is unstable relationship unless there is offspring. It is recommended to have children with that certain partner as soon as possible, and not to delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in that case marriage/relationship can last for lifetime. You are more than welcome in advance. Best regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat , " corex_57 " <corex_57 wrote: > > Hello List and Teachers, > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context, Ketu is > considered a benefic because it is considered that marriage/ partner > will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering what Ketu in > second house from UL signify? Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Maja and co.(rex)Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of premature ageing.Respectfully,Michalmajastrbacastro <majastrbacastro Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM[Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question Om Gurave Namah Dear member, Namaste in a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu being Kula Devata and Moksha karaka. "Moksha" means liberation from cycle of rebirth. "Kula" means linage, family tradition. In contest of Vedic understandings the only way to continue family tradition is to form your own family. Children are must in this case (own or adopted). One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she forms a family. This is far from being the one and only condition, but it is certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why Ketu is considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and marriage. It contributes continuing family tradition through offspring and as such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to Moksha. On the other side there is another way to accomplish Moksha. That is celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to spirituality. Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be beneficial and maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if there is offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring constant ups and downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden downs when least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu. There can be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is unstable relationship unless there is offspring. It is recommended to have children with that certain partner as soon as possible, and not to delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in that case marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime. You are more than welcome in advance. Best regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat , "corex_57" <corex_57@.. .> wrote: > > Hello List and Teachers, > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context, Ketu is > considered a benefic because it is considered that marriage/ partner > will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering what Ketu in > second house from UL signify? Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Michal Namaste, Yup! Best regards, MajaMichal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote: Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Maja and co.(rex)Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of premature ageing.Respectfully,Michal majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro > Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM[Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question Om Gurave NamahDear member,Namastein a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu being Kula Devata and Moksha karaka. "Moksha" means liberation from cycle of rebirth. "Kula" means linage, family tradition. In contest of Vedic understandings the only way to continue family tradition is to form your own family. Children are must in this case (own or adopted). One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she forms a family. This is far from being the one and only condition, but it is certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why Ketu is considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and marriage. It contributes continuing family tradition through offspring and as such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to Moksha.On the other side there is another way to accomplish Moksha. That is celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to spirituality. Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be beneficial and maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if there is offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring constant ups and downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden downs when least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu. There can be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is unstable relationship unless there is offspring. It is recommended to have children with that certain partner as soon as possible, and not to delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in that case marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime.You are more than welcome in advance. Best regards,MajaHari Om Tat Sat, "corex_57" <corex_57@.. .> wrote:>> Hello List and Teachers, > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context, Ketu is> considered a benefic because it is considered that marriage/ partner> will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering what Ketu in> second house from UL signify? Thanks!> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 kleem namah narasimhaaya Dear Maja , Namaskar 2nd partner of this girl is very spiritual (many years in India associated with Guru-sadhu, reciting 64 to 3*64 malas daily). 2UL is with Guru (ketu parivartana) and 2nd from UL is Ke in fiery sign but parivartana takes the watery sign so problem with speech for the partner and premature grey hairs. Gu+Ke gives close association to Guru parampara and Vrscika adds to deep and mystic outlook. Su+Ke is aspecting 2H in D9 whilst Shukra sits in 8 from 2H in D9. The first partner was me - Surya in seventh bhava and Gu/Me in kona - still I am not so bad from Jagannath viewpoint. Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal Maja Štrbac napisał(a): Om Gurave Namah Dear Michal Namaste, Yup! Best regards, Maja Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal > wrote: Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Maja and co.(rex) Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of premature ageing. Respectfully, Michal majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro@ > Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question Om Gurave Namah Dear member, Namaste in a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu being Kula Devata and Moksha karaka. "Moksha" means liberation from cycle of rebirth. "Kula" means linage, family tradition. In contest of Vedic understandings the only way to continue family tradition is to form your own family. Children are must in this case (own or adopted). One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she forms a family. This is far from being the one and only condition, but it is certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why Ketu is considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and marriage. It contributes continuing family tradition through offspring and as such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to Moksha. On the other side there is another way to accomplish Moksha. That is celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to spirituality. Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be beneficial and maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if there is offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring constant ups and downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden downs when least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu. There can be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is unstable relationship unless there is offspring. It is recommended to have children with that certain partner as soon as possible, and not to delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in that case marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime. You are more than welcome in advance. Best regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat @ . com, "corex_57" <corex_57@.. .> wrote: > > Hello List and Teachers, > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context, Ketu is > considered a benefic because it is considered that marriage/ partner > will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering what Ketu in > second house from UL signify? Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 kleem namah narasimhaaya Dear Maja , Namaskar The details for previous post: June 28, 1983 Time: 13:53:00 Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) Place: 19 E 05' 10", 50 N 19' 10" Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal Maja Štrbac napisał(a): Om Gurave Namah Dear Michal Namaste, Yup! Best regards, Maja Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal > wrote: Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Maja and co.(rex) Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of premature ageing. Respectfully, Michal majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro@ > Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question Om Gurave Namah Dear member, Namaste in a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu being Kula Devata and Moksha karaka. "Moksha" means liberation from cycle of rebirth. "Kula" means linage, family tradition. In contest of Vedic understandings the only way to continue family tradition is to form your own family. Children are must in this case (own or adopted). One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she forms a family. This is far from being the one and only condition, but it is certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why Ketu is considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and marriage. It contributes continuing family tradition through offspring and as such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to Moksha. On the other side there is another way to accomplish Moksha. That is celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to spirituality. Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be beneficial and maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if there is offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring constant ups and downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden downs when least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu. There can be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is unstable relationship unless there is offspring. It is recommended to have children with that certain partner as soon as possible, and not to delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in that case marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime. You are more than welcome in advance. Best regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat @ . com, "corex_57" <corex_57@.. .> wrote: > > Hello List and Teachers, > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context, Ketu is > considered a benefic because it is considered that marriage/ partner > will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering what Ketu in > second house from UL signify? Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafal, Namaste well I was wondering what happened with birth data in your previous email. Mercury is definitely having a showtime these days. I am entering birth data of this girl. While looking at her chart, here is something for you. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not asking you for personal reading. I just want to hear your opinion over that UL in my chart and what you think the first partner was like. That first UL in my chart has a lot in common with 2nd Upapada in this girls chart. At least by graha positions. So, what do you think? What was he like? Because I can not in no case connect that " chart " story to that actual story that happened. Few Jyotisha slipped on interpretation. I am sending it just for that sake, not to bother you in this late hours. I already know what happened. Sending my comment later. My birth data DOB: 05. December 1982. TOB: 01:15 POB: 17 E 48; 43 N 20; Time zone: 01h East of GMT Best regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Maja , Namaskar > > The details for previous post: > > June 28, 1983 > Time: 13:53:00 > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 19 E 05' 10 " , 50 N 19' 10 " > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > > Maja S(trbac napisa?(a): > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Michal Namaste, > > > > Yup! > > > > > > Best regards, > > Maja > > > > */Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal >/* wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > Dear Maja and co.(rex) > > > > Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of premature > > ageing. > > > > Respectfully, > > Michal > > > > > > majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear member, > > Namaste > > > > in a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu being Kula > > Devata and Moksha karaka. " Moksha " means liberation from cycle of > > rebirth. " Kula " means linage, family tradition. In contest of Vedic > > understandings the only way to continue family tradition is to form > > your own family. Children are must in this case (own or adopted). > > One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she forms a > > family. This is far from being the one and only condition, but it is > > certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why Ketu is > > considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and marriage. It > > contributes continuing family tradition through offspring and as > > such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to Moksha. > > > > On the other side there is another way to accomplish Moksha. That is > > celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to spirituality. > > > > Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be beneficial and > > maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if there is > > offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring constant ups and > > downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden downs when > > least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu. There can > > be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is unstable > > relationship unless there is offspring. It is recommended to have > > children with that certain partner as soon as possible, and not to > > delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in that case > > marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime. > > > > You are more than welcome in advance. > > > > Best regards, > > Maja > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > <%40>, " corex_57 " <corex_57@ > > .> wrote: > > > > > > Hello List and Teachers, > > > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context, Ketu is > > > considered a benefic because it is considered that marriage/ > > partner > > > will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering what Ketu in > > > second house from UL signify? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 kleem namah narasimhaaya Dear Maja, Namaskar Are you sure he was the first one? Lord of UL is strong in both D1 and D9. Shukra in UL and eleventh in D9 shows artistic talent, he should be spiritual person also - more artistic, very knowledgable. So I doubt you will loose that partner as both Ke/Gu are in forth and strong - it could happened (first partner divorce/seperation) with Vrsabha Lagna. Only afflictions comes from pravraja, neecha budha and papakartari. Forth/third issues could be the problem Prashna shows Ra in Lg and Sa/Mo in eight as the hidden issues. Moon and 2H involvment shows family, whilst Lagnesh and eight shows health issues, 2/8 shows financial aspects whilst rahu involvment both in prasna/navamsa/rasi shows betrayal. So ? Upapada in Prashna is connected to Budha/Shukra/Surya so there is strong chance you are still at the 1st Upapada. Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal majastrbacastro napisał(a): Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafal, Namaste well I was wondering what happened with birth data in your previous email. Mercury is definitely having a showtime these days. I am entering birth data of this girl. While looking at her chart, here is something for you. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not asking you for personal reading. I just want to hear your opinion over that UL in my chart and what you think the first partner was like. That first UL in my chart has a lot in common with 2nd Upapada in this girls chart. At least by graha positions. So, what do you think? What was he like? Because I can not in no case connect that "chart" story to that actual story that happened. Few Jyotisha slipped on interpretation. I am sending it just for that sake, not to bother you in this late hours. I already know what happened. Sending my comment later. My birth data DOB: 05. December 1982. TOB: 01:15 POB: 17 E 48; 43 N 20; Time zone: 01h East of GMT Best regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat @ . com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Maja , Namaskar > > The details for previous post: > > June 28, 1983 > Time: 13:53:00 > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 19 E 05' 10", 50 N 19' 10" > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal > > > > Maja S(trbac napisa?(a): > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Michal Namaste, > > > > Yup! > > > > > > Best regards, > > Maja > > > > */Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>/* wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > Dear Maja and co.(rex) > > > > Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of premature > > ageing. > > > > Respectfully, > > Michal > > > > > > majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear member, > > Namaste > > > > in a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu being Kula > > Devata and Moksha karaka. "Moksha" means liberation from cycle of > > rebirth. "Kula" means linage, family tradition. In contest of Vedic > > understandings the only way to continue family tradition is to form > > your own family. Children are must in this case (own or adopted). > > One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she forms a > > family. This is far from being the one and only condition, but it is > > certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why Ketu is > > considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and marriage. It > > contributes continuing family tradition through offspring and as > > such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to Moksha. > > > > On the other side there is another way to accomplish Moksha. That is > > celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to spirituality. > > > > Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be beneficial and > > maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if there is > > offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring constant ups and > > downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden downs when > > least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu. There can > > be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is unstable > > relationship unless there is offspring. It is recommended to have > > children with that certain partner as soon as possible, and not to > > delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in that case > > marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime. > > > > You are more than welcome in advance. > > > > Best regards, > > Maja > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, "corex_57" <corex_57@ > > .> wrote: > > > > > > Hello List and Teachers, > > > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context, Ketu is > > > considered a benefic because it is considered that marriage/ > > partner > > > will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering what Ketu in > > > second house from UL signify? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafal, Namaste I am very sure he happened. Six years is enough to be sure, don't you think? I am also very, very, very sure that he is past tense for good. And I shall tell you one more thing about him: he is so far, far, far away from reciting Gayatri or any other mantra or any spirituality at all. (for Gods sake, what is wrong with that Prashna) Maybe explanation is that so many grahas on UL can bring more than one partner connected to first UL. But that was the only long term relationship I ever had. Betrayal... in a way. Woke up one morning and realised what a waste of time that was. And illusion. Oh, he was prematurely gray and some small speech problems. All rest what that UL shows, NOTHING! Your girlfriend broke up maybe? (Are you shore you want me to write those personal and private things here? Are you shore it is o.k?) Would like to chat with her sometimes, there must be some nice science of humor. Anyway, from Jagganath point of view, you are definitely a Jyotish Guru O.K. About appearance... dark eyes, Budh in 2nd from first UL, benefic. Well Budh, Guru, Surya, " normal " would be the word I suppose. Don't mind me, please, but I think the other partner looks prettier with that Sk in trine. Oh, girl is in love. (But, Mangal is lording both Upapada, first and second. Maybe there was make up?) Gayatry mantra... oh, God, how far from that Best regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > Are you sure he was the first one? Lord of UL is strong in both D1 and D9. > > Shukra in UL and eleventh in D9 shows artistic talent, he should be > spiritual person also - more artistic, very knowledgable. > > > So I doubt you will loose that partner as both Ke/Gu are in forth and > strong - it could happened (first partner divorce/seperation) with > Vrsabha Lagna. > > Only afflictions comes from pravraja, neecha budha and papakartari. > Forth/third issues could be the problem > > Prashna shows Ra in Lg and Sa/Mo in eight as the hidden issues. Moon and > 2H involvment shows family, whilst Lagnesh and eight shows health > issues, 2/8 shows financial aspects whilst rahu involvment both in > prasna/navamsa/rasi shows betrayal. > > So ? > > Upapada in Prashna is connected to Budha/Shukra/Surya so there is strong > chance you are still at the 1st Upapada. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Rafal, > > Namaste > > > > well I was wondering what happened with birth data in your previous > > email. Mercury is definitely having a showtime these days. I am > > entering birth data of this girl. While looking at her chart, here > > is something for you. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not asking you > > for personal reading. I just want to hear your opinion over that UL > > in my chart and what you think the first partner was like. That > > first UL in my chart has a lot in common with 2nd Upapada in this > > girls chart. At least by graha positions. So, what do you think? > > What was he like? Because I can not in no case connect that " chart " > > story to that actual story that happened. > > > > Few Jyotisha slipped on interpretation. I am sending it just for > > that sake, not to bother you in this late hours. I already know what > > happened. > > > > Sending my comment later. > > > > My birth data > > > > DOB: 05. December 1982. > > TOB: 01:15 > > POB: 17 E 48; 43 N 20; > > Time zone: 01h East of GMT > > > > Best regards, > > Maja > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar > > > > > > The details for previous post: > > > > > > June 28, 1983 > > > Time: 13:53:00 > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) > > > Place: 19 E 05' 10 " , 50 N 19' 10 " > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja S(trbac napisa?(a): > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Dear Michal Namaste, > > > > > > > > Yup! > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > */Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > Dear Maja and co.(rex) > > > > > > > > Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of > > premature > > > > ageing. > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Dear member, > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > in a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu > > being Kula > > > > Devata and Moksha karaka. " Moksha " means liberation from > > cycle of > > > > rebirth. " Kula " means linage, family tradition. In contest > > of Vedic > > > > understandings the only way to continue family tradition is > > to form > > > > your own family. Children are must in this case (own or > > adopted). > > > > One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she forms > > a > > > > family. This is far from being the one and only condition, > > but it is > > > > certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why Ketu is > > > > considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and > > marriage. It > > > > contributes continuing family tradition through offspring > > and as > > > > such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to > > Moksha. > > > > > > > > On the other side there is another way to accomplish Moksha. > > That is > > > > celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to > > spirituality. > > > > > > > > Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be beneficial and > > > > maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if there is > > > > offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring constant > > ups and > > > > downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden downs > > when > > > > least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu. > > There can > > > > be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is > > unstable > > > > relationship unless there is offspring. It is recommended to > > have > > > > children with that certain partner as soon as possible, and > > not to > > > > delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in > > that case > > > > marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime. > > > > > > > > You are more than welcome in advance. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, " corex_57 " > > <corex_57@ > > > > .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello List and Teachers, > > > > > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context, > > Ketu is > > > > > considered a benefic because it is considered that > > marriage/ > > > > partner > > > > > will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering what > > Ketu in > > > > > second house from UL signify? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dera Rafal, Namaste Knowledgeable... :) Worlds away from that. (Maybe my mother gave a birth on me some other year, I don't know. I mean, this joke is all on my account. Trust me, nothing pointed to you. I think anyone would describe him as such. Anyone. Yes, that is what it means. And Lord of UL ucca. Both of them, Ke and Ma, so there is no mistake. But he was not that. I am spending so much time looking at that and I could never find connection with him, the " Real " him and UL) Confusing? Best regards, Maja , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > Are you sure he was the first one? Lord of UL is strong in both D1 and D9. > > Shukra in UL and eleventh in D9 shows artistic talent, he should be > spiritual person also - more artistic, very knowledgable. > > > So I doubt you will loose that partner as both Ke/Gu are in forth and > strong - it could happened (first partner divorce/seperation) with > Vrsabha Lagna. > > Only afflictions comes from pravraja, neecha budha and papakartari. > Forth/third issues could be the problem > > Prashna shows Ra in Lg and Sa/Mo in eight as the hidden issues. Moon and > 2H involvment shows family, whilst Lagnesh and eight shows health > issues, 2/8 shows financial aspects whilst rahu involvment both in > prasna/navamsa/rasi shows betrayal. > > So ? > > Upapada in Prashna is connected to Budha/Shukra/Surya so there is strong > chance you are still at the 1st Upapada. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Rafal, > > Namaste > > > > well I was wondering what happened with birth data in your previous > > email. Mercury is definitely having a showtime these days. I am > > entering birth data of this girl. While looking at her chart, here > > is something for you. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not asking you > > for personal reading. I just want to hear your opinion over that UL > > in my chart and what you think the first partner was like. That > > first UL in my chart has a lot in common with 2nd Upapada in this > > girls chart. At least by graha positions. So, what do you think? > > What was he like? Because I can not in no case connect that " chart " > > story to that actual story that happened. > > > > Few Jyotisha slipped on interpretation. I am sending it just for > > that sake, not to bother you in this late hours. I already know what > > happened. > > > > Sending my comment later. > > > > My birth data > > > > DOB: 05. December 1982. > > TOB: 01:15 > > POB: 17 E 48; 43 N 20; > > Time zone: 01h East of GMT > > > > Best regards, > > Maja > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar > > > > > > The details for previous post: > > > > > > June 28, 1983 > > > Time: 13:53:00 > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) > > > Place: 19 E 05' 10 " , 50 N 19' 10 " > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja S(trbac napisa?(a): > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Dear Michal Namaste, > > > > > > > > Yup! > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > */Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > Dear Maja and co.(rex) > > > > > > > > Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of > > premature > > > > ageing. > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Dear member, > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > in a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu > > being Kula > > > > Devata and Moksha karaka. " Moksha " means liberation from > > cycle of > > > > rebirth. " Kula " means linage, family tradition. In contest > > of Vedic > > > > understandings the only way to continue family tradition is > > to form > > > > your own family. Children are must in this case (own or > > adopted). > > > > One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she forms > > a > > > > family. This is far from being the one and only condition, > > but it is > > > > certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why Ketu is > > > > considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and > > marriage. It > > > > contributes continuing family tradition through offspring > > and as > > > > such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to > > Moksha. > > > > > > > > On the other side there is another way to accomplish Moksha. > > That is > > > > celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to > > spirituality. > > > > > > > > Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be beneficial and > > > > maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if there is > > > > offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring constant > > ups and > > > > downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden downs > > when > > > > least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu. > > There can > > > > be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is > > unstable > > > > relationship unless there is offspring. It is recommended to > > have > > > > children with that certain partner as soon as possible, and > > not to > > > > delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in > > that case > > > > marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime. > > > > > > > > You are more than welcome in advance. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, " corex_57 " > > <corex_57@ > > > > .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello List and Teachers, > > > > > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context, > > Ketu is > > > > > considered a benefic because it is considered that > > marriage/ > > > > partner > > > > > will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering what > > Ketu in > > > > > second house from UL signify? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Dear Maja/Rafal Following is a chart of a person who has ketu in 2nd from UL. He has been married for over 25 years now, has no children and has a pretty good married life. Both husband wife are very religious and spiritual. They did try for children during there early years of marriage but I suppose there was some medical complications. But otherwise they are a generally happy couple. I guess there trunign spiritual had helped, in the sens ketu helped to sustain the marriage and make it a success. september 11, 1952 11:30pm 78.46 E 11.20 N India. -Regards Rajarshi Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Michal Namaste, Yup! Best regards, MajaMichal Dziwulski <nearmichal > wrote: Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Maja and co.(rex)Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of premature ageing.Respectfully,Michal majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro > Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM[Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question Om Gurave NamahDear member,Namastein a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu being Kula Devata and Moksha karaka. "Moksha" means liberation from cycle of rebirth. "Kula" means linage, family tradition. In contest of Vedic understandings the only way to continue family tradition is to form your own family. Children are must in this case (own or adopted). One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she forms a family. This is far from being the one and only condition, but it is certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why Ketu is considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and marriage. It contributes continuing family tradition through offspring and as such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to Moksha.On the other side there is another way to accomplish Moksha. That is celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to spirituality. Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be beneficial and maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if there is offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring constant ups and downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden downs when least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu. There can be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is unstable relationship unless there is offspring. It is recommended to have children with that certain partner as soon as possible, and not to delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in that case marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime.You are more than welcome in advance. Best regards,MajaHari Om Tat Sat, "corex_57" <corex_57@.. .> wrote:>> Hello List and Teachers, > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context, Ketu is> considered a benefic because it is considered that marriage/ partner> will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering what Ketu in> second house from UL signify? Thanks!> "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 kleem namah narasimhaaya Dear Maja, Namaskar 1. There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make the native biased about the close ones. The first Upapada MUST be knowledgable, intelligent and kind of pravraja - just accept that. I dont know if mentioned partner was the first, second or third - but the first one was like that. Spirituality can be lacking due to other points but pravraja tendency is there. UL is fixed when you think about one person throughout a year. 2. So we still dont know exactly what was the issue with breaking the relationship? Moon in eigth in D9 shows no real love, emotion - thats the real cause - the excuse can be read by examining third and forth bhavas in Rasi. I cast the prasna this morning. The issue for breakage was connected to Rahu, Budha, third and first bhavas, 8L is again with Moon in twelfth. Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal majastrbacastro napisał(a): Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafal, Namaste I am very sure he happened. Six years is enough to be sure, don't you think? I am also very, very, very sure that he is past tense for good. And I shall tell you one more thing about him: he is so far, far, far away from reciting Gayatri or any other mantra or any spirituality at all. (for Gods sake, what is wrong with that Prashna) Maybe explanation is that so many grahas on UL can bring more than one partner connected to first UL. But that was the only long term relationship I ever had. Betrayal... in a way. Woke up one morning and realised what a waste of time that was. And illusion. Oh, he was prematurely gray and some small speech problems. All rest what that UL shows, NOTHING! Your girlfriend broke up maybe? (Are you shore you want me to write those personal and private things here? Are you shore it is o.k?) Would like to chat with her sometimes, there must be some nice science of humor. Anyway, from Jagganath point of view, you are definitely a Jyotish Guru O.K. About appearance... dark eyes, Budh in 2nd from first UL, benefic. Well Budh, Guru, Surya, "normal" would be the word I suppose. Don't mind me, please, but I think the other partner looks prettier with that Sk in trine. Oh, girl is in love. (But, Mangal is lording both Upapada, first and second. Maybe there was make up?) Gayatry mantra... oh, God, how far from that Best regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > Are you sure he was the first one? Lord of UL is strong in both D1 and D9. > > Shukra in UL and eleventh in D9 shows artistic talent, he should be > spiritual person also - more artistic, very knowledgable. > > > So I doubt you will loose that partner as both Ke/Gu are in forth and > strong - it could happened (first partner divorce/seperation) with > Vrsabha Lagna. > > Only afflictions comes from pravraja, neecha budha and papakartari. > Forth/third issues could be the problem > > Prashna shows Ra in Lg and Sa/Mo in eight as the hidden issues. Moon and > 2H involvment shows family, whilst Lagnesh and eight shows health > issues, 2/8 shows financial aspects whilst rahu involvment both in > prasna/navamsa/rasi shows betrayal. > > So ? > > Upapada in Prashna is connected to Budha/Shukra/Surya so there is strong > chance you are still at the 1st Upapada. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Rafal, > > Namaste > > > > well I was wondering what happened with birth data in your previous > > email. Mercury is definitely having a showtime these days. I am > > entering birth data of this girl. While looking at her chart, here > > is something for you. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not asking you > > for personal reading. I just want to hear your opinion over that UL > > in my chart and what you think the first partner was like. That > > first UL in my chart has a lot in common with 2nd Upapada in this > > girls chart. At least by graha positions. So, what do you think? > > What was he like? Because I can not in no case connect that "chart" > > story to that actual story that happened. > > > > Few Jyotisha slipped on interpretation. I am sending it just for > > that sake, not to bother you in this late hours. I already know what > > happened. > > > > Sending my comment later. > > > > My birth data > > > > DOB: 05. December 1982. > > TOB: 01:15 > > POB: 17 E 48; 43 N 20; > > Time zone: 01h East of GMT > > > > Best regards, > > Maja > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar > > > > > > The details for previous post: > > > > > > June 28, 1983 > > > Time: 13:53:00 > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) > > > Place: 19 E 05' 10", 50 N 19' 10" > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja S(trbac napisa?(a): > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Dear Michal Namaste, > > > > > > > > Yup! > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > */Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > Dear Maja and co.(rex) > > > > > > > > Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of > > premature > > > > ageing. > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Dear member, > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > in a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu > > being Kula > > > > Devata and Moksha karaka. "Moksha" means liberation from > > cycle of > > > > rebirth. "Kula" means linage, family tradition. In contest > > of Vedic > > > > understandings the only way to continue family tradition is > > to form > > > > your own family. Children are must in this case (own or > > adopted). > > > > One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she forms > > a > > > > family. This is far from being the one and only condition, > > but it is > > > > certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why Ketu is > > > > considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and > > marriage. It > > > > contributes continuing family tradition through offspring > > and as > > > > such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to > > Moksha. > > > > > > > > On the other side there is another way to accomplish Moksha. > > That is > > > > celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to > > spirituality. > > > > > > > > Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be beneficial and > > > > maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if there is > > > > offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring constant > > ups and > > > > downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden downs > > when > > > > least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu. > > There can > > > > be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is > > unstable > > > > relationship unless there is offspring. It is recommended to > > have > > > > children with that certain partner as soon as possible, and > > not to > > > > delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in > > that case > > > > marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime. > > > > > > > > You are more than welcome in advance. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, "corex_57" > > <corex_57@ > > > > .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello List and Teachers, > > > > > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context, > > Ketu is > > > > > considered a benefic because it is considered that > > marriage/ > > > > partner > > > > > will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering what > > Ketu in > > > > > second house from UL signify? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 kleem namah narasimhaaya Dear Rajarishi, Namaskar 1. Moon and Ketu are in kendra/kona in D9. 2. 7L in third gives loving spouse. Love is there due to Moon associated with UL and 2L from UL. 3. 9L with Shukra gives fortune from marriage. Tithesh in good yoga provides the same. 4. UL lord is in kendra in nipuna as neechabhanga for Shukra. 5. Shukra debilitation yuti 9L from UL - so the fruits are denied due to fertility problem (Sa+Ve in Budha sign - Ve is in Budha D9 also) This person was depressed in youth, due to Shani aspecting Ruchaka. DK, Venus and UL in 3/6 from AK-Ju definitely gave challenges or some delays - please provide year of marriage. Ma/Ke aspecting 2 from UL gives some arguments, but both are wellplaced in D9 and Cancer is helping for the node. Fertility problems comes to native when you move D7 to Pisces. Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal rajarshi nandy napisał(a): Dear Maja/Rafal Following is a chart of a person who has ketu in 2nd from UL. He has been married for over 25 years now, has no children and has a pretty good married life. Both husband wife are very religious and spiritual. They did try for children during there early years of marriage but I suppose there was some medical complications. But otherwise they are a generally happy couple. I guess there trunign spiritual had helped, in the sens ketu helped to sustain the marriage and make it a success. september 11, 1952 11:30pm 78.46 E 11.20 N India. -Regards Rajarshi Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro > wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Michal Namaste, Yup! Best regards, Maja Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal > wrote: Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Maja and co.(rex) Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of premature ageing. Respectfully, Michal ----- Original Message ---- majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro > Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question Om Gurave Namah Dear member, Namaste in a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu being Kula Devata and Moksha karaka. "Moksha" means liberation from cycle of rebirth. "Kula" means linage, family tradition. In contest of Vedic understandings the only way to continue family tradition is to form your own family. Children are must in this case (own or adopted). One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she forms a family. This is far from being the one and only condition, but it is certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why Ketu is considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and marriage. It contributes continuing family tradition through offspring and as such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to Moksha. On the other side there is another way to accomplish Moksha. That is celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to spirituality. Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be beneficial and maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if there is offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring constant ups and downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden downs when least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu. There can be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is unstable relationship unless there is offspring. It is recommended to have children with that certain partner as soon as possible, and not to delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in that case marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime. You are more than welcome in advance. Best regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat @ . com, "corex_57" <corex_57@.. .> wrote: > > Hello List and Teachers, > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context, Ketu is > considered a benefic because it is considered that marriage/ partner > will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering what Ketu in > second house from UL signify? Thanks! > "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Hello All, Thank you for your help with my query. I appreciate it. , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Rajarishi, Namaskar > > 1. Moon and Ketu are in kendra/kona in D9. > > 2. 7L in third gives loving spouse. Love is there due to Moon associated > with UL and 2L from UL. > > 3. 9L with Shukra gives fortune from marriage. Tithesh in good yoga > provides the same. > > 4. UL lord is in kendra in nipuna as neechabhanga for Shukra. > > 5. Shukra debilitation yuti 9L from UL - so the fruits are denied due to > fertility problem (Sa+Ve in Budha sign - Ve is in Budha D9 also) > > This person was depressed in youth, due to Shani aspecting Ruchaka. > > DK, Venus and UL in 3/6 from AK-Ju definitely gave challenges or some > delays - please provide year of marriage. > > Ma/Ke aspecting 2 from UL gives some arguments, but both are wellplaced > in D9 and Cancer is helping for the node. > > Fertility problems comes to native when you move D7 to Pisces. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > > rajarshi nandy napisa?(a): > > Dear Maja/Rafal > > > > > > Following is a chart of a person who has ketu in 2nd from UL. He has > > been married for over 25 years now, has no children and has a pretty > > good married life. Both husband wife are very religious and spiritual. > > They did try for children during there early years of marriage but I > > suppose there was some medical complications. But otherwise they are a > > generally happy couple. > > > > I guess there trunign spiritual had helped, in the sens ketu helped to > > sustain the marriage and make it a success. > > > > september 11, 1952 > > 11:30pm > > 78.46 E > > 11.20 N > > India. > > > > -Regards > > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > */Maja S(trbac <majastrbacastro/* wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Michal Namaste, > > > > Yup! > > > > > > Best regards, > > Maja > > > > */Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal/* wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > Dear Maja and co.(rex) > > > > Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of > > premature ageing. > > > > Respectfully, > > Michal > > > > > > majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro > > > > Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear member, > > Namaste > > > > in a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu being > > Kula > > Devata and Moksha karaka. " Moksha " means liberation from cycle of > > rebirth. " Kula " means linage, family tradition. In contest of > > Vedic > > understandings the only way to continue family tradition is to > > form > > your own family. Children are must in this case (own or adopted). > > One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she forms a > > family. This is far from being the one and only condition, but > > it is > > certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why Ketu is > > considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and marriage. It > > contributes continuing family tradition through offspring and as > > such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to Moksha. > > > > On the other side there is another way to accomplish Moksha. > > That is > > celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to spirituality. > > > > Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be beneficial and > > maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if there is > > offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring constant > > ups and > > downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden downs when > > least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu. There > > can > > be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is unstable > > relationship unless there is offspring. It is recommended to have > > children with that certain partner as soon as possible, and > > not to > > delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in that > > case > > marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime. > > > > You are more than welcome in advance. > > > > Best regards, > > Maja > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > <%40>, " corex_57 " > > <corex_57@ .> wrote: > > > > > > Hello List and Teachers, > > > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context, Ketu is > > > considered a benefic because it is considered that marriage/ > > partner > > > will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering what > > Ketu in > > > second house from UL signify? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /* > > * " This above all: to thine own self be true! " - Hamlet* > > */ > > > > ------ > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. > > <http://in.rd./tagline_groups_7/*http://in.promos./groups/best\ of/> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Dear Maja and Rafal, Sorry for interupting the conversation, but that 4 planet yoga with sun combusting merc and venus, can that indicate a reverse direction from parivraja? Also venus seems to be the most afflicted in this 4 combination. Also there is an exchange between ketu and jup, so jup can delibver ketus significance and ketu jupiters. In that case chiuldren could definitely have helped to cement the relationship. Rafal, does moon in 8th house in d9 always show lack of love? Irrespective of whether moon has any connection to UL or 2nd from UL or 7th house in rasi? Are there any more such combinations which can show no love/emotion? -Regards RajarshiRafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: kleem namah narasimhaayaDear Maja, Namaskar1. There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make the native biased about the close ones. The first Upapada MUST be knowledgable, intelligent and kind of pravraja - just accept that. I dont know if mentioned partner was the first, second or third - but the first one was like that. Spirituality can be lacking due to other points but pravraja tendency is there. UL is fixed when you think about one person throughout a year. 2. So we still dont know exactly what was the issue with breaking the relationship? Moon in eigth in D9 shows no real love, emotion - thats the real cause - the excuse can be read by examining third and forth bhavas in Rasi. I cast the prasna this morning. The issue for breakage was connected to Rahu, Budha, third and first bhavas, 8L is again with Moon in twelfth. Regards,Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacherwww: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) commajastrbacastro napisa³(a): Om Gurave NamahDear Rafal,NamasteI am very sure he happened. Six years is enough to be sure, don't you think? I am also very, very, very sure that he is past tense for good. And I shall tell you one more thing about him: he is so far, far, far away from reciting Gayatri or any other mantra or any spirituality at all.(for Gods sake, what is wrong with that Prashna)Maybe explanation is that so many grahas on UL can bring more than one partner connected to first UL. But that was the only long term relationship I ever had.Betrayal... in a way. Woke up one morning and realised what a waste of time that was. And illusion. Oh, he was prematurely gray and some small speech problems. All rest what that UL shows, NOTHING!Your girlfriend broke up maybe? (Are you shore you want me to write those personal and private things here? Are you shore it is o.k?) Would like to chat with her sometimes, there must be some nice science of humor. Anyway, from Jagganath point of view, you are definitely a Jyotish Guru O.K. About appearance... dark eyes, Budh in 2nd from first UL, benefic. Well Budh, Guru, Surya, "normal" would be the word I suppose. Don't mind me, please, but I think the other partner looks prettier with that Sk in trine. Oh, girl is in love. (But, Mangal is lording both Upapada, first and second. Maybe there was make up?)Gayatry mantra... oh, God, how far from that :)Best regards,MajaHari Om Tat Sat , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:>> *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> Dear Maja, Namaskar> > Are you sure he was the first one? Lord of UL is strong in both D1 and D9.> > Shukra in UL and eleventh in D9 shows artistic talent, he should be > spiritual person also - more artistic, very knowledgable.> > > So I doubt you will loose that partner as both Ke/Gu are in forth and > strong - it could happened (first partner divorce/seperation) with > Vrsabha Lagna.> > Only afflictions comes from pravraja, neecha budha and papakartari. > Forth/third issues could be the problem> > Prashna shows Ra in Lg and Sa/Mo in eight as the hidden issues. Moon and > 2H involvment shows family, whilst Lagnesh and eight shows health > issues, 2/8 shows financial aspects whilst rahu involvment both in > prasna/navamsa/rasi shows betrayal.> > So ?> > Upapada in Prashna is connected to Budha/Shukra/Surya so there is strong > chance you are still at the 1st Upapada.> > Regards,> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a):> >> > Om Gurave Namah> >> > Dear Rafal,> > Namaste> >> > well I was wondering what happened with birth data in your previous> > email. Mercury is definitely having a showtime these days. I am> > entering birth data of this girl. While looking at her chart, here> > is something for you. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not asking you> > for personal reading. I just want to hear your opinion over that UL> > in my chart and what you think the first partner was like. That> > first UL in my chart has a lot in common with 2nd Upapada in this> > girls chart. At least by graha positions. So, what do you think?> > What was he like? Because I can not in no case connect that "chart"> > story to that actual story that happened.> >> > Few Jyotisha slipped on interpretation. I am sending it just for> > that sake, not to bother you in this late hours. I already know what> > happened.> >> > Sending my comment later.> >> > My birth data> >> > DOB: 05. December 1982.> > TOB: 01:15> > POB: 17 E 48; 43 N 20;> > Time zone: 01h East of GMT> >> > Best regards,> > Maja> >> > Hari Om Tat Sat> >> > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...>> > wrote:> > >> > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > Dear Maja , Namaskar> > >> > > The details for previous post:> > >> > > June 28, 1983> > > Time: 13:53:00> > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > Place: 19 E 05' 10", 50 N 19' 10"> > >> > >> > > Regards,> > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@> > >> > >> > >> > > Maja S(trbac napisa?(a):> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > >> > > > Dear Michal Namaste,> > > >> > > > Yup!> > > >> > > >> > > > Best regards,> > > > Maja> > > >> > > > */Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>/* wrote:> > > >> > > > Hare Rama Krsna ||> > > >> > > > Dear Maja and co.(rex)> > > >> > > > Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of> > premature> > > > ageing.> > > >> > > > Respectfully,> > > > Michal> > > >> > > > > > > > majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro@ >> > > > > > > > Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM> > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question> > > >> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > >> > > > Dear member,> > > > Namaste> > > >> > > > in a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu> > being Kula> > > > Devata and Moksha karaka. "Moksha" means liberation from> > cycle of> > > > rebirth. "Kula" means linage, family tradition. In contest> > of Vedic> > > > understandings the only way to continue family tradition is> > to form> > > > your own family. Children are must in this case (own or> > adopted).> > > > One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she forms> > a> > > > family. This is far from being the one and only condition,> > but it is> > > > certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why Ketu is> > > > considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and> > marriage. It> > > > contributes continuing family tradition through offspring> > and as> > > > such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to> > Moksha.> > > >> > > > On the other side there is another way to accomplish Moksha.> > That is> > > > celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to> > spirituality.> > > >> > > > Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be beneficial and> > > > maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if there is> > > > offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring constant> > ups and> > > > downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden downs> > when> > > > least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu.> > There can> > > > be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is> > unstable> > > > relationship unless there is offspring. It is recommended to> > have> > > > children with that certain partner as soon as possible, and> > not to> > > > delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in> > that case> > > > marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime.> > > >> > > > You are more than welcome in advance.> > > >> > > > Best regards,> > > > Maja> > > >> > > > Hari Om Tat Sat> > > >> > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, "corex_57"> > <corex_57@> > > > .> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hello List and Teachers,> > > > > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context,> > Ketu is> > > > > considered a benefic because it is considered that> > marriage/> > > > partner> > > > > will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering what> > Ketu in> > > > > second house from UL signify? Thanks!> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafal, Namaste (knowing myself, this is going to be a huge email...) I really feel so bad to bother you with this issue so much. You do have better and more constructive things to do on this list. Reason why I posted my birth data to you was just to hear one more opinion of that UL in my chart. Anyone learned in Jyotish would interpret it in the same manner that you did. I have heard such opinion before. Today when I know much more about Jytish than I did a year or two ago, in case somebody would come to me with that UL and ask for my opinion I would say the same thing. That it brings such partner like the one that your " paste tense " girlfriend got. So... you can stop here and reply to me simply with " I give up " or option number 2 is to read rest of this email and... In that case I see us as gray haired in a rocking chair still typing over this issue via email. Here we go. My complete emotional life. Nothing left out. I shall copy/paste some points from your previous mail. " There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make the native biased about the close ones. " You are free to say that this is me, no need to call me " native " , I can admit my own failures. This is true. I have whole bunch of psychological defensive mechanisms. " UL is fixed when you think about one person throughout a year. " Now if this includes crushes which never led to a realized relationship, I had at least five of them in this category that lasted for longer than a year (all of them after I was 15). Before this longest relationship of all I had two of them that lasted for four months. First one was very important, and as far as I am concerned that was the only normal relationship that I ever had. He was knowledgeable, intelligent, with very good science of humor, sweet, it was like we knew each other for decades before we met. He is history because he is little bit too attached to his mom. He happened in spring of 2000. The other one is completely irrelevant. And then came along those " six years " I was talking about. I met him when I was 18. The only things I can connect to him from my chart is that he is really one very dear person with good intensions. Sukra is also on UL. He is beautiful by all means. Fatally beautiful. That relationship was very much based on physical attraction. Ketu in second from UL. First three years were complete mess. I can not even define if we were together for real. Lord of UL in second from it, he cared much more to sustain that relationship then I ever tried. Other than that he is quite simple person. He graduated on high school and that is it about his education. He works as a cab driver. Other interests are soccer, basketball and tennis. He is not intellectual and knowledgeable. Typical simple male. And I thought that I had no problem with that. I got used to it. When I was 18 he was top of perfection by all my criteria. Problem came as I was growing up. We became so obviously different. Yet I was going around telling people that he is perfect for me and never let anyone to notice that truth is much different and point at it to me. Being all that sweet and supportive he was my shelter from real world, from problems at home, from somebody new who could cause pain. I was so scared to leave. And I was scared to hurt him by leaving. Defense mechanism? Last year I even tried to convince myself that I should spend my whole life with him, because that is o.k. to him. Lets come back to Prashna chart from last night, you had a point. I was constantly under some not so serious, but boring health problems since 2006. There was family/money and 4th bhava issue at the time of brake up. The only way to live together was at his parents home. In one horrible set of events I tried that as well. Ouch! Money issue... I would be ready to deal with it only in case if I had ever seen him doing something about it, instead of running away from problems, being lazy and behaving like teenager about it. That was largest obstacle. I could not imagine father of my children behaving as adopted sibling to them. So as I said, I woke up one morning and truth hit me in all variety of its colors. Brake up was very sudden even to me (04. February this year). One thing I am certain. I am not coming back. I am very healthy right now. When my home situation improved I collected enough strength to brake up. Maybe I am selfish as well, o.k. So, as you see, when a female describes her emotional life it can not be simple and without too many details. I tried in previous emails, but you insisted on the story. (Oh, would you like me to send you some headache pills by DHL?) So, how many Upapadas is that? 8? 3? 2? 1? 0? Don't forget that Prasna from last night. Take it in consideration. It showed that I am still on the very beginning. I do feel like that. Like nothing happened. Like he newer was there. (I suppose you won't be much around this list for few days just until you recover from this) Best regards, Maja , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > 1. There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make the > native biased about the close ones. The first Upapada MUST be > knowledgable, intelligent and kind of pravraja - just accept that. I > dont know if mentioned partner was the first, second or third - but the > first one was like that. Spirituality can be lacking due to other points > but pravraja tendency is there. UL is fixed when you think about one > person throughout a year. > > 2. So we still dont know exactly what was the issue with breaking the > relationship? Moon in eigth in D9 shows no real love, emotion - thats > the real cause - the excuse can be read by examining third and forth > bhavas in Rasi. > > I cast the prasna this morning. The issue for breakage was connected to > Rahu, Budha, third and first bhavas, 8L is again with Moon in twelfth. > > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Rafal, > > Namaste > > > > I am very sure he happened. Six years is enough to be sure, don't > > you think? > > > > I am also very, very, very sure that he is past tense for good. And > > I shall tell you one more thing about him: he is so far, far, far > > away from reciting Gayatri or any other mantra or any spirituality > > at all. > > > > (for Gods sake, what is wrong with that Prashna) > > > > Maybe explanation is that so many grahas on UL can bring more than > > one partner connected to first UL. But that was the only long term > > relationship I ever had. > > > > Betrayal... in a way. Woke up one morning and realised what a waste > > of time that was. And illusion. Oh, he was prematurely gray and some > > small speech problems. All rest what that UL shows, NOTHING! > > > > Your girlfriend broke up maybe? (Are you shore you want me to write > > those personal and private things here? Are you shore it is o.k?) > > Would like to chat with her sometimes, there must be some nice > > science of humor. Anyway, from Jagganath point of view, you are > > definitely a Jyotish Guru O.K. About appearance... dark eyes, > > Budh in 2nd from first UL, benefic. Well Budh, Guru, Surya, " normal " > > would be the word I suppose. Don't mind me, please, but I think the > > other partner looks prettier with that Sk in trine. Oh, girl is in > > love. (But, Mangal is lording both Upapada, first and second. Maybe > > there was make up?) > > > > Gayatry mantra... oh, God, how far from that > > > > Best regards, > > Maja > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > > wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > > > > > Are you sure he was the first one? Lord of UL is strong in both D1 > > and D9. > > > > > > Shukra in UL and eleventh in D9 shows artistic talent, he should > > be > > > spiritual person also - more artistic, very knowledgable. > > > > > > > > > So I doubt you will loose that partner as both Ke/Gu are in forth > > and > > > strong - it could happened (first partner divorce/seperation) with > > > Vrsabha Lagna. > > > > > > Only afflictions comes from pravraja, neecha budha and > > papakartari. > > > Forth/third issues could be the problem > > > > > > Prashna shows Ra in Lg and Sa/Mo in eight as the hidden issues. > > Moon and > > > 2H involvment shows family, whilst Lagnesh and eight shows health > > > issues, 2/8 shows financial aspects whilst rahu involvment both in > > > prasna/navamsa/rasi shows betrayal. > > > > > > So ? > > > > > > Upapada in Prashna is connected to Budha/Shukra/Surya so there is > > strong > > > chance you are still at the 1st Upapada. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > well I was wondering what happened with birth data in your > > previous > > > > email. Mercury is definitely having a showtime these days. I > > am > > > > entering birth data of this girl. While looking at her chart, > > here > > > > is something for you. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not asking > > you > > > > for personal reading. I just want to hear your opinion over that > > UL > > > > in my chart and what you think the first partner was like. That > > > > first UL in my chart has a lot in common with 2nd Upapada in this > > > > girls chart. At least by graha positions. So, what do you think? > > > > What was he like? Because I can not in no case connect > > that " chart " > > > > story to that actual story that happened. > > > > > > > > Few Jyotisha slipped on interpretation. I am sending it just for > > > > that sake, not to bother you in this late hours. I already know > > what > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > Sending my comment later. > > > > > > > > My birth data > > > > > > > > DOB: 05. December 1982. > > > > TOB: 01:15 > > > > POB: 17 E 48; 43 N 20; > > > > Time zone: 01h East of GMT > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > The details for previous post: > > > > > > > > > > June 28, 1983 > > > > > Time: 13:53:00 > > > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > Place: 19 E 05' 10 " , 50 N 19' 10 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com > > <http://rohinaa.com>> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja S(trbac napisa?(a): > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Michal Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > */Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja and co.(rex) > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of > > > > premature > > > > > > ageing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear member, > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > in a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu > > > > being Kula > > > > > > Devata and Moksha karaka. " Moksha " means liberation from > > > > cycle of > > > > > > rebirth. " Kula " means linage, family tradition. In contest > > > > of Vedic > > > > > > understandings the only way to continue family tradition is > > > > to form > > > > > > your own family. Children are must in this case (own or > > > > adopted). > > > > > > One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she forms > > > > a > > > > > > family. This is far from being the one and only condition, > > > > but it is > > > > > > certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why Ketu is > > > > > > considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and > > > > marriage. It > > > > > > contributes continuing family tradition through offspring > > > > and as > > > > > > such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to > > > > Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other side there is another way to accomplish Moksha. > > > > That is > > > > > > celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to > > > > spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be beneficial and > > > > > > maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if there is > > > > > > offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring constant > > > > ups and > > > > > > downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden downs > > > > when > > > > > > least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu. > > > > There can > > > > > > be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is > > > > unstable > > > > > > relationship unless there is offspring. It is recommended to > > > > have > > > > > > children with that certain partner as soon as possible, and > > > > not to > > > > > > delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in > > > > that case > > > > > > marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are more than welcome in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, " corex_57 " > > > > <corex_57@ > > > > > > .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello List and Teachers, > > > > > > > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context, > > > > Ketu is > > > > > > > considered a benefic because it is considered that > > > > marriage/ > > > > > > partner > > > > > > > will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering what > > > > Ketu in > > > > > > > second house from UL signify? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Rajarshi, Namaste you are not interrupting anything. Welcome! It is my own chart. Anything I say as interpretation can be colored with lack of objectiveness. So I'll rather leave it to everyone else. I can only confirm or deny what all rest of you has to say about it. Hm! Children... From this point where I am now I can only tell you that I am so glad that I don't have kids with him. I am so glad that children did not cement this story. It would really be like I am buried alive. I mean, I adore kids, but... As D9 is very important for marriage I suppose that the answer is yes. And I think it more refers to chart owner being unable to love. Not to say " native " ... Best regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote: > > Dear Maja and Rafal, > > Sorry for interupting the conversation, but that 4 planet yoga with sun combusting merc and venus, can that indicate a reverse direction from parivraja? > > Also venus seems to be the most afflicted in this 4 combination. Also there is an exchange between ketu and jup, so jup can delibver ketus significance and ketu jupiters. In that case chiuldren could definitely have helped to cement the relationship. > > Rafal, does moon in 8th house in d9 always show lack of love? Irrespective of whether moon has any connection to UL or 2nd from UL or 7th house in rasi? > Are there any more such combinations which can show no love/emotion? > > -Regards > Rajarshi > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > kleem namah narasimhaaya > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > 1. There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make the native biased about the close ones. The first Upapada MUST be knowledgable, intelligent and kind of pravraja - just accept that. I dont know if mentioned partner was the first, second or third - but the first one was like that. Spirituality can be lacking due to other points but pravraja tendency is there. UL is fixed when you think about one person throughout a year. > > 2. So we still dont know exactly what was the issue with breaking the relationship? Moon in eigth in D9 shows no real love, emotion - thats the real cause - the excuse can be read by examining third and forth bhavas in Rasi. > > I cast the prasna this morning. The issue for breakage was connected to Rahu, Budha, third and first bhavas, 8L is again with Moon in twelfth. > > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > majastrbacastro napisa³(a): Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Rafal, > Namaste > > I am very sure he happened. Six years is enough to be sure, don't > you think? > > I am also very, very, very sure that he is past tense for good. And > I shall tell you one more thing about him: he is so far, far, far > away from reciting Gayatri or any other mantra or any spirituality > at all. > > (for Gods sake, what is wrong with that Prashna) > > Maybe explanation is that so many grahas on UL can bring more than > one partner connected to first UL. But that was the only long term > relationship I ever had. > > Betrayal... in a way. Woke up one morning and realised what a waste > of time that was. And illusion. Oh, he was prematurely gray and some > small speech problems. All rest what that UL shows, NOTHING! > > Your girlfriend broke up maybe? (Are you shore you want me to write > those personal and private things here? Are you shore it is o.k?) > Would like to chat with her sometimes, there must be some nice > science of humor. Anyway, from Jagganath point of view, you are > definitely a Jyotish Guru O.K. About appearance... dark eyes, > Budh in 2nd from first UL, benefic. Well Budh, Guru, Surya, " normal " > would be the word I suppose. Don't mind me, please, but I think the > other partner looks prettier with that Sk in trine. Oh, girl is in > love. (But, Mangal is lording both Upapada, first and second. Maybe > there was make up?) > > Gayatry mantra... oh, God, how far from that > > Best regards, > Maja > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > wrote: > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > > > Are you sure he was the first one? Lord of UL is strong in both D1 > and D9. > > > > Shukra in UL and eleventh in D9 shows artistic talent, he should > be > > spiritual person also - more artistic, very knowledgable. > > > > > > So I doubt you will loose that partner as both Ke/Gu are in forth > and > > strong - it could happened (first partner divorce/seperation) with > > Vrsabha Lagna. > > > > Only afflictions comes from pravraja, neecha budha and > papakartari. > > Forth/third issues could be the problem > > > > Prashna shows Ra in Lg and Sa/Mo in eight as the hidden issues. > Moon and > > 2H involvment shows family, whilst Lagnesh and eight shows health > > issues, 2/8 shows financial aspects whilst rahu involvment both in > > prasna/navamsa/rasi shows betrayal. > > > > So ? > > > > Upapada in Prashna is connected to Budha/Shukra/Surya so there is > strong > > chance you are still at the 1st Upapada. > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > Namaste > > > > > > well I was wondering what happened with birth data in your > previous > > > email. Mercury is definitely having a showtime these days. I > am > > > entering birth data of this girl. While looking at her chart, > here > > > is something for you. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not asking > you > > > for personal reading. I just want to hear your opinion over that > UL > > > in my chart and what you think the first partner was like. That > > > first UL in my chart has a lot in common with 2nd Upapada in this > > > girls chart. At least by graha positions. So, what do you think? > > > What was he like? Because I can not in no case connect > that " chart " > > > story to that actual story that happened. > > > > > > Few Jyotisha slipped on interpretation. I am sending it just for > > > that sake, not to bother you in this late hours. I already know > what > > > happened. > > > > > > Sending my comment later. > > > > > > My birth data > > > > > > DOB: 05. December 1982. > > > TOB: 01:15 > > > POB: 17 E 48; 43 N 20; > > > Time zone: 01h East of GMT > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Maja > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar > > > > > > > > The details for previous post: > > > > > > > > June 28, 1983 > > > > Time: 13:53:00 > > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 19 E 05' 10 " , 50 N 19' 10 " > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja S(trbac napisa?(a): > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > Dear Michal Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > Yup! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > */Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja and co.(rex) > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of > > > premature > > > > > ageing. > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > Dear member, > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > in a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu > > > being Kula > > > > > Devata and Moksha karaka. " Moksha " means liberation from > > > cycle of > > > > > rebirth. " Kula " means linage, family tradition. In contest > > > of Vedic > > > > > understandings the only way to continue family tradition is > > > to form > > > > > your own family. Children are must in this case (own or > > > adopted). > > > > > One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she forms > > > a > > > > > family. This is far from being the one and only condition, > > > but it is > > > > > certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why Ketu is > > > > > considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and > > > marriage. It > > > > > contributes continuing family tradition through offspring > > > and as > > > > > such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to > > > Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > On the other side there is another way to accomplish Moksha. > > > That is > > > > > celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to > > > spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be beneficial and > > > > > maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if there is > > > > > offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring constant > > > ups and > > > > > downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden downs > > > when > > > > > least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu. > > > There can > > > > > be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is > > > unstable > > > > > relationship unless there is offspring. It is recommended to > > > have > > > > > children with that certain partner as soon as possible, and > > > not to > > > > > delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in > > > that case > > > > > marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > You are more than welcome in advance. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, " corex_57 " > > > <corex_57@ > > > > > .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello List and Teachers, > > > > > > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context, > > > Ketu is > > > > > > considered a benefic because it is considered that > > > marriage/ > > > > > partner > > > > > > will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering what > > > Ketu in > > > > > > second house from UL signify? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " This above all: to thine own self be true! " - Hamlet > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Dear Maja, Thank you for clarifying about navamsa. Really I did not know about moon being in 8th from navamsa lagna causing lack of love. Also in that case does it mean that for even subsequent relationships as well, the moon in 8th will keep working? i.e lack of love? -Regards Rajarshi majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Rajarshi,Namasteyou are not interrupting anything. Welcome! It is my own chart. Anything I say as interpretation can be colored with lack of objectiveness. So I'll rather leave it to everyone else. I can only confirm or deny what all rest of you has to say about it.Hm! Children... From this point where I am now I can only tell you that I am so glad that I don't have kids with him. I am so glad that children did not cement this story. It would really be like I am buried alive. I mean, I adore kids, but...As D9 is very important for marriage I suppose that the answer is yes. And I think it more refers to chart owner being unable to love. Not to say "native"... :)Best regards, MajaHari Om Tat Sat , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote:>> Dear Maja and Rafal,> > Sorry for interupting the conversation, but that 4 planet yoga with sun combusting merc and venus, can that indicate a reverse direction from parivraja?> > Also venus seems to be the most afflicted in this 4 combination. Also there is an exchange between ketu and jup, so jup can delibver ketus significance and ketu jupiters. In that case chiuldren could definitely have helped to cement the relationship.> > Rafal, does moon in 8th house in d9 always show lack of love? Irrespective of whether moon has any connection to UL or 2nd from UL or 7th house in rasi?> Are there any more such combinations which can show no love/emotion?> > -Regards> Rajarshi> > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:> kleem namah narasimhaaya> Dear Maja, Namaskar> > 1. There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make the native biased about the close ones. The first Upapada MUST be knowledgable, intelligent and kind of pravraja - just accept that. I dont know if mentioned partner was the first, second or third - but the first one was like that. Spirituality can be lacking due to other points but pravraja tendency is there. UL is fixed when you think about one person throughout a year. > > 2. So we still dont know exactly what was the issue with breaking the relationship? Moon in eigth in D9 shows no real love, emotion - thats the real cause - the excuse can be read by examining third and forth bhavas in Rasi. > > I cast the prasna this morning. The issue for breakage was connected to Rahu, Budha, third and first bhavas, 8L is again with Moon in twelfth. > > > > Regards,> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > majastrbacastro napisa³(a): Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Rafal,> Namaste> > I am very sure he happened. Six years is enough to be sure, don't > you think? > > I am also very, very, very sure that he is past tense for good. And > I shall tell you one more thing about him: he is so far, far, far > away from reciting Gayatri or any other mantra or any spirituality > at all.> > (for Gods sake, what is wrong with that Prashna)> > Maybe explanation is that so many grahas on UL can bring more than > one partner connected to first UL. But that was the only long term > relationship I ever had.> > Betrayal... in a way. Woke up one morning and realised what a waste > of time that was. And illusion. Oh, he was prematurely gray and some > small speech problems. All rest what that UL shows, NOTHING!> > Your girlfriend broke up maybe? (Are you shore you want me to write > those personal and private things here? Are you shore it is o.k?) > Would like to chat with her sometimes, there must be some nice > science of humor. Anyway, from Jagganath point of view, you are > definitely a Jyotish Guru O.K. About appearance... dark eyes, > Budh in 2nd from first UL, benefic. Well Budh, Guru, Surya, "normal" > would be the word I suppose. Don't mind me, please, but I think the > other partner looks prettier with that Sk in trine. Oh, girl is in > love. (But, Mangal is lording both Upapada, first and second. Maybe > there was make up?)> > Gayatry mantra... oh, God, how far from that > > Best regards,> Maja> > Hari Om Tat Sat> > , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > wrote:> >> > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > Dear Maja, Namaskar> > > > Are you sure he was the first one? Lord of UL is strong in both D1 > and D9.> > > > Shukra in UL and eleventh in D9 shows artistic talent, he should > be > > spiritual person also - more artistic, very knowledgable.> > > > > > So I doubt you will loose that partner as both Ke/Gu are in forth > and > > strong - it could happened (first partner divorce/seperation) with > > Vrsabha Lagna.> > > > Only afflictions comes from pravraja, neecha budha and > papakartari. > > Forth/third issues could be the problem> > > > Prashna shows Ra in Lg and Sa/Mo in eight as the hidden issues. > Moon and > > 2H involvment shows family, whilst Lagnesh and eight shows health > > issues, 2/8 shows financial aspects whilst rahu involvment both in > > prasna/navamsa/rasi shows betrayal.> > > > So ?> > > > Upapada in Prashna is connected to Budha/Shukra/Surya so there is > strong > > chance you are still at the 1st Upapada.> > > > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@> > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a):> > >> > > Om Gurave Namah> > >> > > Dear Rafal,> > > Namaste> > >> > > well I was wondering what happened with birth data in your > previous> > > email. Mercury is definitely having a showtime these days. I > am> > > entering birth data of this girl. While looking at her chart, > here> > > is something for you. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not asking > you> > > for personal reading. I just want to hear your opinion over that > UL> > > in my chart and what you think the first partner was like. That> > > first UL in my chart has a lot in common with 2nd Upapada in this> > > girls chart. At least by graha positions. So, what do you think?> > > What was he like? Because I can not in no case connect > that "chart"> > > story to that actual story that happened.> > >> > > Few Jyotisha slipped on interpretation. I am sending it just for> > > that sake, not to bother you in this late hours. I already know > what> > > happened.> > >> > > Sending my comment later.> > >> > > My birth data> > >> > > DOB: 05. December 1982.> > > TOB: 01:15> > > POB: 17 E 48; 43 N 20;> > > Time zone: 01h East of GMT> > >> > > Best regards,> > > Maja> > >> > > Hari Om Tat Sat> > >> > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz > <starsuponme@ ...>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar> > > >> > > > The details for previous post:> > > >> > > > June 28, 1983> > > > Time: 13:53:00> > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > > Place: 19 E 05' 10", 50 N 19' 10"> > > >> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Maja S(trbac napisa?(a):> > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > >> > > > > Dear Michal Namaste,> > > > >> > > > > Yup!> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Best regards,> > > > > Maja> > > > >> > > > > */Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>/* wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hare Rama Krsna ||> > > > >> > > > > Dear Maja and co.(rex)> > > > >> > > > > Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of> > > premature> > > > > ageing.> > > > >> > > > > Respectfully,> > > > > Michal> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro@ >> > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM> > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question> > > > >> > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > >> > > > > Dear member,> > > > > Namaste> > > > >> > > > > in a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu> > > being Kula> > > > > Devata and Moksha karaka. "Moksha" means liberation from> > > cycle of> > > > > rebirth. "Kula" means linage, family tradition. In contest> > > of Vedic> > > > > understandings the only way to continue family tradition is> > > to form> > > > > your own family. Children are must in this case (own or> > > adopted).> > > > > One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she forms> > > a> > > > > family. This is far from being the one and only condition,> > > but it is> > > > > certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why Ketu is> > > > > considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and> > > marriage. It> > > > > contributes continuing family tradition through offspring> > > and as> > > > > such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to> > > Moksha.> > > > >> > > > > On the other side there is another way to accomplish Moksha.> > > That is> > > > > celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to> > > spirituality.> > > > >> > > > > Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be beneficial and> > > > > maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if there is> > > > > offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring constant> > > ups and> > > > > downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden downs> > > when> > > > > least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu.> > > There can> > > > > be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is> > > unstable> > > > > relationship unless there is offspring. It is recommended to> > > have> > > > > children with that certain partner as soon as possible, and> > > not to> > > > > delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in> > > that case> > > > > marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime.> > > > >> > > > > You are more than welcome in advance.> > > > >> > > > > Best regards,> > > > > Maja> > > > >> > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, "corex_57"> > > <corex_57@> > > > > .> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Hello List and Teachers,> > > > > > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context,> > > Ketu is> > > > > > considered a benefic because it is considered that> > > marriage/> > > > > partner> > > > > > will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering what> > > Ketu in> > > > > > second house from UL signify? Thanks!> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet> > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now> "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet Bring your gang together. Do your thing. Find your favourite Group. 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Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Dear Maja, I understand what you mean. Thanks once again for clarifying. -Regards Rajarshimajastrbacastro <majastrbacastro wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Rajarshi,Namastehold a little bit. That was just an opinion. I am not 100% sure of it. Just logic conclusion (I should have added that one to previous post). I was talking about native's ability for deep feelings, love and showing emotions. So in that contest it seems to me that it should be applicable in each subsequent relationship. But please wait for some more comments. This maximum from me so far about it, hope it is of any use.Best regards,MajaHari Om Tat Sat , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote:>> Dear Maja,> > Thank you for clarifying about navamsa. Really I did not know about moon being in 8th from navamsa lagna causing lack of love.> > Also in that case does it mean that for even subsequent relationships as well, the moon in 8th will keep working? i.e lack of love?> > -Regards> Rajarshi> > > majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Rajarshi,> Namaste> > you are not interrupting anything. Welcome! It is my own chart. > Anything I say as interpretation can be colored with lack of > objectiveness. So I'll rather leave it to everyone else. I can only > confirm or deny what all rest of you has to say about it.> > Hm! Children... From this point where I am now I can only tell you > that I am so glad that I don't have kids with him. I am so glad that > children did not cement this story. It would really be like I am > buried alive. I mean, I adore kids, but...> > As D9 is very important for marriage I suppose that the answer is > yes. And I think it more refers to chart owner being unable to love. > Not to say "native"... > > Best regards, > Maja> > Hari Om Tat Sat> > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Maja and Rafal,> > > > Sorry for interupting the conversation, but that 4 planet yoga > with sun combusting merc and venus, can that indicate a reverse > direction from parivraja?> > > > Also venus seems to be the most afflicted in this 4 > combination. Also there is an exchange between ketu and jup, so jup > can delibver ketus significance and ketu jupiters. In that case > chiuldren could definitely have helped to cement the relationship.> > > > Rafal, does moon in 8th house in d9 always show lack of love? > Irrespective of whether moon has any connection to UL or 2nd from UL > or 7th house in rasi?> > Are there any more such combinations which can show no > love/emotion?> > > > -Regards> > Rajarshi> > > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote:> > kleem namah narasimhaaya> > Dear Maja, Namaskar> > > > 1. There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make > the native biased about the close ones. The first Upapada MUST be > knowledgable, intelligent and kind of pravraja - just accept that. I > dont know if mentioned partner was the first, second or third - but > the first one was like that. Spirituality can be lacking due to > other points but pravraja tendency is there. UL is fixed when you > think about one person throughout a year. > > > > 2. So we still dont know exactly what was the issue with breaking > the relationship? Moon in eigth in D9 shows no real love, emotion -> thats the real cause - the excuse can be read by examining third and > forth bhavas in Rasi. > > > > I cast the prasna this morning. The issue for breakage was > connected to Rahu, Budha, third and first bhavas, 8L is again with > Moon in twelfth. > > > > > > > > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@> > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa³(a): Om Gurave Namah> > > > Dear Rafal,> > Namaste> > > > I am very sure he happened. Six years is enough to be sure, don't > > you think? > > > > I am also very, very, very sure that he is past tense for good. > And > > I shall tell you one more thing about him: he is so far, far, far > > away from reciting Gayatri or any other mantra or any spirituality > > at all.> > > > (for Gods sake, what is wrong with that Prashna)> > > > Maybe explanation is that so many grahas on UL can bring more than > > one partner connected to first UL. But that was the only long term > > relationship I ever had.> > > > Betrayal... in a way. Woke up one morning and realised what a > waste > > of time that was. And illusion. Oh, he was prematurely gray and > some > > small speech problems. All rest what that UL shows, NOTHING!> > > > Your girlfriend broke up maybe? (Are you shore you want me to > write > > those personal and private things here? Are you shore it is o.k?) > > Would like to chat with her sometimes, there must be some nice > > science of humor. Anyway, from Jagganath point of view, you are > > definitely a Jyotish Guru O.K. About appearance... dark eyes, > > Budh in 2nd from first UL, benefic. Well Budh, Guru, > Surya, "normal" > > would be the word I suppose. Don't mind me, please, but I think > the > > other partner looks prettier with that Sk in trine. Oh, girl is in > > love. (But, Mangal is lording both Upapada, first and second. > Maybe > > there was make up?)> > > > Gayatry mantra... oh, God, how far from that > > > > Best regards,> > Maja> > > > Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > > wrote:> > >> > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > Dear Maja, Namaskar> > > > > > Are you sure he was the first one? Lord of UL is strong in both > D1 > > and D9.> > > > > > Shukra in UL and eleventh in D9 shows artistic talent, he should > > be > > > spiritual person also - more artistic, very knowledgable.> > > > > > > > > So I doubt you will loose that partner as both Ke/Gu are in > forth > > and > > > strong - it could happened (first partner divorce/seperation) > with > > > Vrsabha Lagna.> > > > > > Only afflictions comes from pravraja, neecha budha and > > papakartari. > > > Forth/third issues could be the problem> > > > > > Prashna shows Ra in Lg and Sa/Mo in eight as the hidden issues. > > Moon and > > > 2H involvment shows family, whilst Lagnesh and eight shows > health > > > issues, 2/8 shows financial aspects whilst rahu involvment both > in > > > prasna/navamsa/rasi shows betrayal.> > > > > > So ?> > > > > > Upapada in Prashna is connected to Budha/Shukra/Surya so there > is > > strong > > > chance you are still at the 1st Upapada.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a):> > > >> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > >> > > > Dear Rafal,> > > > Namaste> > > >> > > > well I was wondering what happened with birth data in your > > previous> > > > email. Mercury is definitely having a showtime these days. > I > > am> > > > entering birth data of this girl. While looking at her chart, > > here> > > > is something for you. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not asking > > you> > > > for personal reading. I just want to hear your opinion over > that > > UL> > > > in my chart and what you think the first partner was like. That> > > > first UL in my chart has a lot in common with 2nd Upapada in > this> > > > girls chart. At least by graha positions. So, what do you > think?> > > > What was he like? Because I can not in no case connect > > that "chart"> > > > story to that actual story that happened.> > > >> > > > Few Jyotisha slipped on interpretation. I am sending it just > for> > > > that sake, not to bother you in this late hours. I already > know > > what> > > > happened.> > > >> > > > Sending my comment later.> > > >> > > > My birth data> > > >> > > > DOB: 05. December 1982.> > > > TOB: 01:15> > > > POB: 17 E 48; 43 N 20;> > > > Time zone: 01h East of GMT> > > >> > > > Best regards,> > > > Maja> > > >> > > > Hari Om Tat Sat> > > >> > > > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ ...>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar> > > > >> > > > > The details for previous post:> > > > >> > > > > June 28, 1983> > > > > Time: 13:53:00> > > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > Place: 19 E 05' 10", 50 N 19' 10"> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Maja S(trbac napisa?(a):> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Michal Namaste,> > > > > >> > > > > > Yup!> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > Maja> > > > > >> > > > > > */Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>/* wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna ||> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Maja and co.(rex)> > > > > >> > > > > > Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of> > > > premature> > > > > > ageing.> > > > > >> > > > > > Respectfully,> > > > > > Michal> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro@ >> > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM> > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question> > > > > >> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear member,> > > > > > Namaste> > > > > >> > > > > > in a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu> > > > being Kula> > > > > > Devata and Moksha karaka. "Moksha" means liberation from> > > > cycle of> > > > > > rebirth. "Kula" means linage, family tradition. In contest> > > > of Vedic> > > > > > understandings the only way to continue family tradition is> > > > to form> > > > > > your own family. Children are must in this case (own or> > > > adopted).> > > > > > One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she > forms> > > > a> > > > > > family. This is far from being the one and only condition,> > > > but it is> > > > > > certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why Ketu > is> > > > > > considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and> > > > marriage. It> > > > > > contributes continuing family tradition through offspring> > > > and as> > > > > > such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to> > > > Moksha.> > > > > >> > > > > > On the other side there is another way to accomplish > Moksha.> > > > That is> > > > > > celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to> > > > spirituality.> > > > > >> > > > > > Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be beneficial > and> > > > > > maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if there > is> > > > > > offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring > constant> > > > ups and> > > > > > downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden downs> > > > when> > > > > > least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu.> > > > There can> > > > > > be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is> > > > unstable> > > > > > relationship unless there is offspring. It is recommended > to> > > > have> > > > > > children with that certain partner as soon as possible, and> > > > not to> > > > > > delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in> > > > that case> > > > > > marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime.> > > > > >> > > > > > You are more than welcome in advance.> > > > > >> > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > Maja> > > > > >> > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, "corex_57"> > > > <corex_57@> > > > > > .> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hello List and Teachers,> > > > > > > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context,> > > > Ketu is> > > > > > > considered a benefic because it is considered that> > > > marriage/> > > > > > partner> > > > > > > will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering what> > > > Ketu in> > > > > > > second house from UL signify? Thanks!> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet> > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 kleem namah narasimhaaya Dear Rajarishi, Namaskar 1. I have also Shukra and Shani combusted - this means coming from pravraja to raja (lot depends on position from Arudha Lagna). Spirituality is measured by position of the Surya and Navamsa. 2. Yes, children and spirituality would help a lot in all relationship issues for Maja. 3. Moon shows love. Eight bhava shows real cause of breakage / sustainence, it was debilitated so lack of love. Upapada is more external. 4. Shani can shows coldness, judge the enemies of Moon to see what can destroy love. Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal rajarshi nandy napisał(a): Dear Maja and Rafal, Sorry for interupting the conversation, but that 4 planet yoga with sun combusting merc and venus, can that indicate a reverse direction from parivraja? Also venus seems to be the most afflicted in this 4 combination. Also there is an exchange between ketu and jup, so jup can delibver ketus significance and ketu jupiters. In that case chiuldren could definitely have helped to cement the relationship. Rafal, does moon in 8th house in d9 always show lack of love? Irrespective of whether moon has any connection to UL or 2nd from UL or 7th house in rasi? Are there any more such combinations which can show no love/emotion? -Regards Rajarshi Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: kleem namah narasimhaaya Dear Maja, Namaskar 1. There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make the native biased about the close ones. The first Upapada MUST be knowledgable, intelligent and kind of pravraja - just accept that. I dont know if mentioned partner was the first, second or third - but the first one was like that. Spirituality can be lacking due to other points but pravraja tendency is there. UL is fixed when you think about one person throughout a year. 2. So we still dont know exactly what was the issue with breaking the relationship? Moon in eigth in D9 shows no real love, emotion - thats the real cause - the excuse can be read by examining third and forth bhavas in Rasi. I cast the prasna this morning. The issue for breakage was connected to Rahu, Budha, third and first bhavas, 8L is again with Moon in twelfth. Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com majastrbacastro napisa³(a): Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafal, Namaste I am very sure he happened. Six years is enough to be sure, don't you think? I am also very, very, very sure that he is past tense for good. And I shall tell you one more thing about him: he is so far, far, far away from reciting Gayatri or any other mantra or any spirituality at all. (for Gods sake, what is wrong with that Prashna) Maybe explanation is that so many grahas on UL can bring more than one partner connected to first UL. But that was the only long term relationship I ever had. Betrayal... in a way. Woke up one morning and realised what a waste of time that was. And illusion. Oh, he was prematurely gray and some small speech problems. All rest what that UL shows, NOTHING! Your girlfriend broke up maybe? (Are you shore you want me to write those personal and private things here? Are you shore it is o.k?) Would like to chat with her sometimes, there must be some nice science of humor. Anyway, from Jagganath point of view, you are definitely a Jyotish Guru O.K. About appearance... dark eyes, Budh in 2nd from first UL, benefic. Well Budh, Guru, Surya, "normal" would be the word I suppose. Don't mind me, please, but I think the other partner looks prettier with that Sk in trine. Oh, girl is in love. (But, Mangal is lording both Upapada, first and second. Maybe there was make up?) Gayatry mantra... oh, God, how far from that Best regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > Are you sure he was the first one? Lord of UL is strong in both D1 and D9. > > Shukra in UL and eleventh in D9 shows artistic talent, he should be > spiritual person also - more artistic, very knowledgable. > > > So I doubt you will loose that partner as both Ke/Gu are in forth and > strong - it could happened (first partner divorce/seperation) with > Vrsabha Lagna. > > Only afflictions comes from pravraja, neecha budha and papakartari. > Forth/third issues could be the problem > > Prashna shows Ra in Lg and Sa/Mo in eight as the hidden issues. Moon and > 2H involvment shows family, whilst Lagnesh and eight shows health > issues, 2/8 shows financial aspects whilst rahu involvment both in > prasna/navamsa/rasi shows betrayal. > > So ? > > Upapada in Prashna is connected to Budha/Shukra/Surya so there is strong > chance you are still at the 1st Upapada. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Rafal, > > Namaste > > > > well I was wondering what happened with birth data in your previous > > email. Mercury is definitely having a showtime these days. I am > > entering birth data of this girl. While looking at her chart, here > > is something for you. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not asking you > > for personal reading. I just want to hear your opinion over that UL > > in my chart and what you think the first partner was like. That > > first UL in my chart has a lot in common with 2nd Upapada in this > > girls chart. At least by graha positions. So, what do you think? > > What was he like? Because I can not in no case connect that "chart" > > story to that actual story that happened. > > > > Few Jyotisha slipped on interpretation. I am sending it just for > > that sake, not to bother you in this late hours. I already know what > > happened. > > > > Sending my comment later. > > > > My birth data > > > > DOB: 05. December 1982. > > TOB: 01:15 > > POB: 17 E 48; 43 N 20; > > Time zone: 01h East of GMT > > > > Best regards, > > Maja > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar > > > > > > The details for previous post: > > > > > > June 28, 1983 > > > Time: 13:53:00 > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) > > > Place: 19 E 05' 10", 50 N 19' 10" > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja S(trbac napisa?(a): > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Dear Michal Namaste, > > > > > > > > Yup! > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > */Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > Dear Maja and co.(rex) > > > > > > > > Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of > > premature > > > > ageing. > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Dear member, > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > in a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu > > being Kula > > > > Devata and Moksha karaka. "Moksha" means liberation from > > cycle of > > > > rebirth. "Kula" means linage, family tradition. In contest > > of Vedic > > > > understandings the only way to continue family tradition is > > to form > > > > your own family. Children are must in this case (own or > > adopted). > > > > One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she forms > > a > > > > family. This is far from being the one and only condition, > > but it is > > > > certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why Ketu is > > > > considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and > > marriage. It > > > > contributes continuing family tradition through offspring > > and as > > > > such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to > > Moksha. > > > > > > > > On the other side there is another way to accomplish Moksha. > > That is > > > > celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to > > spirituality. > > > > > > > > Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be beneficial and > > > > maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if there is > > > > offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring constant > > ups and > > > > downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden downs > > when > > > > least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu. > > There can > > > > be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is > > unstable > > > > relationship unless there is offspring. It is recommended to > > have > > > > children with that certain partner as soon as possible, and > > not to > > > > delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in > > that case > > > > marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime. > > > > > > > > You are more than welcome in advance. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, "corex_57" > > <corex_57@ > > > > .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello List and Teachers, > > > > > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context, > > Ketu is > > > > > considered a benefic because it is considered that > > marriage/ > > > > partner > > > > > will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering what > > Ketu in > > > > > second house from UL signify? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 kleem namah narasimhaaya Dear Maja, Namaskar Upapada is when you want to give instead of take. So all other relationship are more for A7. But there is high change that this boy is indicated by other Upapada or you are biased. Judge the Dasas to be sure. Appreciate your openness. Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal majastrbacastro napisał(a): Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafal, Namaste (knowing myself, this is going to be a huge email...) I really feel so bad to bother you with this issue so much. You do have better and more constructive things to do on this list. Reason why I posted my birth data to you was just to hear one more opinion of that UL in my chart. Anyone learned in Jyotish would interpret it in the same manner that you did. I have heard such opinion before. Today when I know much more about Jytish than I did a year or two ago, in case somebody would come to me with that UL and ask for my opinion I would say the same thing. That it brings such partner like the one that your "paste tense" girlfriend got. So... you can stop here and reply to me simply with "I give up" or option number 2 is to read rest of this email and... In that case I see us as gray haired in a rocking chair still typing over this issue via email. Here we go. My complete emotional life. Nothing left out. I shall copy/paste some points from your previous mail. "There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make the native biased about the close ones." You are free to say that this is me, no need to call me "native", I can admit my own failures. This is true. I have whole bunch of psychological defensive mechanisms. "UL is fixed when you think about one person throughout a year." Now if this includes crushes which never led to a realized relationship, I had at least five of them in this category that lasted for longer than a year (all of them after I was 15). Before this longest relationship of all I had two of them that lasted for four months. First one was very important, and as far as I am concerned that was the only normal relationship that I ever had. He was knowledgeable, intelligent, with very good science of humor, sweet, it was like we knew each other for decades before we met. He is history because he is little bit too attached to his mom. He happened in spring of 2000. The other one is completely irrelevant. And then came along those "six years" I was talking about. I met him when I was 18. The only things I can connect to him from my chart is that he is really one very dear person with good intensions. Sukra is also on UL. He is beautiful by all means. Fatally beautiful. That relationship was very much based on physical attraction. Ketu in second from UL. First three years were complete mess. I can not even define if we were together for real. Lord of UL in second from it, he cared much more to sustain that relationship then I ever tried. Other than that he is quite simple person. He graduated on high school and that is it about his education. He works as a cab driver. Other interests are soccer, basketball and tennis. He is not intellectual and knowledgeable. Typical simple male. And I thought that I had no problem with that. I got used to it. When I was 18 he was top of perfection by all my criteria. Problem came as I was growing up. We became so obviously different. Yet I was going around telling people that he is perfect for me and never let anyone to notice that truth is much different and point at it to me. Being all that sweet and supportive he was my shelter from real world, from problems at home, from somebody new who could cause pain. I was so scared to leave. And I was scared to hurt him by leaving. Defense mechanism? Last year I even tried to convince myself that I should spend my whole life with him, because that is o.k. to him. Lets come back to Prashna chart from last night, you had a point. I was constantly under some not so serious, but boring health problems since 2006. There was family/money and 4th bhava issue at the time of brake up. The only way to live together was at his parents home. In one horrible set of events I tried that as well. Ouch! Money issue... I would be ready to deal with it only in case if I had ever seen him doing something about it, instead of running away from problems, being lazy and behaving like teenager about it. That was largest obstacle. I could not imagine father of my children behaving as adopted sibling to them. So as I said, I woke up one morning and truth hit me in all variety of its colors. Brake up was very sudden even to me (04. February this year). One thing I am certain. I am not coming back. I am very healthy right now. When my home situation improved I collected enough strength to brake up. Maybe I am selfish as well, o.k. So, as you see, when a female describes her emotional life it can not be simple and without too many details. I tried in previous emails, but you insisted on the story. (Oh, would you like me to send you some headache pills by DHL?) So, how many Upapadas is that? 8? 3? 2? 1? 0? Don't forget that Prasna from last night. Take it in consideration. It showed that I am still on the very beginning. I do feel like that. Like nothing happened. Like he newer was there. (I suppose you won't be much around this list for few days just until you recover from this) Best regards, Maja @ . com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > 1. There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make the > native biased about the close ones. The first Upapada MUST be > knowledgable, intelligent and kind of pravraja - just accept that. I > dont know if mentioned partner was the first, second or third - but the > first one was like that. Spirituality can be lacking due to other points > but pravraja tendency is there. UL is fixed when you think about one > person throughout a year. > > 2. So we still dont know exactly what was the issue with breaking the > relationship? Moon in eigth in D9 shows no real love, emotion - thats > the real cause - the excuse can be read by examining third and forth > bhavas in Rasi. > > I cast the prasna this morning. The issue for breakage was connected to > Rahu, Budha, third and first bhavas, 8L is again with Moon in twelfth. > > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Rafal, > > Namaste > > > > I am very sure he happened. Six years is enough to be sure, don't > > you think? > > > > I am also very, very, very sure that he is past tense for good. And > > I shall tell you one more thing about him: he is so far, far, far > > away from reciting Gayatri or any other mantra or any spirituality > > at all. > > > > (for Gods sake, what is wrong with that Prashna) > > > > Maybe explanation is that so many grahas on UL can bring more than > > one partner connected to first UL. But that was the only long term > > relationship I ever had. > > > > Betrayal... in a way. Woke up one morning and realised what a waste > > of time that was. And illusion. Oh, he was prematurely gray and some > > small speech problems. All rest what that UL shows, NOTHING! > > > > Your girlfriend broke up maybe? (Are you shore you want me to write > > those personal and private things here? Are you shore it is o.k?) > > Would like to chat with her sometimes, there must be some nice > > science of humor. Anyway, from Jagganath point of view, you are > > definitely a Jyotish Guru O.K. About appearance.. . dark eyes, > > Budh in 2nd from first UL, benefic. Well Budh, Guru, Surya, "normal" > > would be the word I suppose. Don't mind me, please, but I think the > > other partner looks prettier with that Sk in trine. Oh, girl is in > > love. (But, Mangal is lording both Upapada, first and second. Maybe > > there was make up?) > > > > Gayatry mantra... oh, God, how far from that > > > > Best regards, > > Maja > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > @ . com > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > > > > > Are you sure he was the first one? Lord of UL is strong in both D1 > > and D9. > > > > > > Shukra in UL and eleventh in D9 shows artistic talent, he should > > be > > > spiritual person also - more artistic, very knowledgable. > > > > > > > > > So I doubt you will loose that partner as both Ke/Gu are in forth > > and > > > strong - it could happened (first partner divorce/seperation) with > > > Vrsabha Lagna. > > > > > > Only afflictions comes from pravraja, neecha budha and > > papakartari. > > > Forth/third issues could be the problem > > > > > > Prashna shows Ra in Lg and Sa/Mo in eight as the hidden issues. > > Moon and > > > 2H involvment shows family, whilst Lagnesh and eight shows health > > > issues, 2/8 shows financial aspects whilst rahu involvment both in > > > prasna/navamsa/ rasi shows betrayal. > > > > > > So ? > > > > > > Upapada in Prashna is connected to Budha/Shukra/ Surya so there is > > strong > > > chance you are still at the 1st Upapada. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > well I was wondering what happened with birth data in your > > previous > > > > email. Mercury is definitely having a showtime these days. I > > am > > > > entering birth data of this girl. While looking at her chart, > > here > > > > is something for you. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not asking > > you > > > > for personal reading. I just want to hear your opinion over that > > UL > > > > in my chart and what you think the first partner was like. That > > > > first UL in my chart has a lot in common with 2nd Upapada in this > > > > girls chart. At least by graha positions. So, what do you think? > > > > What was he like? Because I can not in no case connect > > that "chart" > > > > story to that actual story that happened. > > > > > > > > Few Jyotisha slipped on interpretation. I am sending it just for > > > > that sake, not to bother you in this late hours. I already know > > what > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > Sending my comment later. > > > > > > > > My birth data > > > > > > > > DOB: 05. December 1982. > > > > TOB: 01:15 > > > > POB: 17 E 48; 43 N 20; > > > > Time zone: 01h East of GMT > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > The details for previous post: > > > > > > > > > > June 28, 1983 > > > > > Time: 13:53:00 > > > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > Place: 19 E 05' 10", 50 N 19' 10" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com > > <http://rohinaa. com>> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja S(trbac napisa?(a): > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Michal Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > */Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ . com>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja and co.(rex) > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of > > > > premature > > > > > > ageing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear member, > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > in a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu > > > > being Kula > > > > > > Devata and Moksha karaka. "Moksha" means liberation from > > > > cycle of > > > > > > rebirth. "Kula" means linage, family tradition. In contest > > > > of Vedic > > > > > > understandings the only way to continue family tradition is > > > > to form > > > > > > your own family. Children are must in this case (own or > > > > adopted). > > > > > > One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she forms > > > > a > > > > > > family. This is far from being the one and only condition, > > > > but it is > > > > > > certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why Ketu is > > > > > > considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and > > > > marriage. It > > > > > > contributes continuing family tradition through offspring > > > > and as > > > > > > such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to > > > > Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other side there is another way to accomplish Moksha. > > > > That is > > > > > > celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to > > > > spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be beneficial and > > > > > > maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if there is > > > > > > offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring constant > > > > ups and > > > > > > downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden downs > > > > when > > > > > > least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu. > > > > There can > > > > > > be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is > > > > unstable > > > > > > relationship unless there is offspring. It is recommended to > > > > have > > > > > > children with that certain partner as soon as possible, and > > > > not to > > > > > > delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in > > > > that case > > > > > > marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are more than welcome in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, "corex_57" > > > > <corex_57@ > > > > > > .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello List and Teachers, > > > > > > > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context, > > > > Ketu is > > > > > > > considered a benefic because it is considered that > > > > marriage/ > > > > > > partner > > > > > > > will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering what > > > > Ketu in > > > > > > > second house from UL signify? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafal, Namaste lets put that story aside. Follow Dasas... I am to tired to do that in this case. Whichever Upapada he is, what happened, what is going to happened, who is next, who was last, who was first, I don't really care anymore, trust me. I do know I will not let myself to get into something worse than this was. Openness... any time. Thank you very much for your valuable time! Now let's come back to other people and their posts. There are so many interesting questions to be answered. It was nice talking to you about this. Best regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > Upapada is when you want to give instead of take. So all other > relationship are more for A7. But there is high change that this boy is > indicated by other Upapada or you are biased. Judge the Dasas to be > sure. Appreciate your openness. > > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Rafal, > > Namaste > > > > (knowing myself, this is going to be a huge email...) > > > > I really feel so bad to bother you with this issue so much. You do > > have better and more constructive things to do on this list. Reason > > why I posted my birth data to you was just to hear one more opinion > > of that UL in my chart. Anyone learned in Jyotish would interpret it > > in the same manner that you did. I have heard such opinion before. > > Today when I know much more about Jytish than I did a year or two > > ago, in case somebody would come to me with that UL and ask for my > > opinion I would say the same thing. That it brings such partner like > > the one that your " paste tense " girlfriend got. So... you can stop > > here and reply to me simply with " I give up " or option number 2 is > > to read rest of this email and... In that case I see us as gray > > haired in a rocking chair still typing over this issue via email. > > > > Here we go. My complete emotional life. Nothing left out. I shall > > copy/paste some points from your previous mail. > > > > " There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make the > > native biased about the close ones. " You are free to say that this > > is me, no need to call me " native " , I can admit my own failures. > > This is true. > > I have whole bunch of psychological defensive mechanisms. > > > > " UL is fixed when you think about one person throughout a year. " Now > > if this includes crushes which never led to a realized relationship, > > I had at least five of them in this category that lasted for longer > > than a year (all of them after I was 15). > > > > Before this longest relationship of all I had two of them that > > lasted for four months. First one was very important, and as far as > > I am concerned that was the only normal relationship that I ever > > had. He was knowledgeable, intelligent, with very good science of > > humor, sweet, it was like we knew each other for decades before we > > met. He is history because he is little bit too attached to his mom. > > He happened in spring of 2000. The other one is completely > > irrelevant. > > > > And then came along those " six years " I was talking about. I met him > > when I was 18. The only things I can connect to him from my chart is > > that he is really one very dear person with good intensions. Sukra > > is also on UL. He is beautiful by all means. Fatally beautiful. That > > relationship was very much based on physical attraction. Ketu in > > second from UL. First three years were complete mess. I can not even > > define if we were together for real. Lord of UL in second from it, > > he cared much more to sustain that relationship then I ever tried. > > Other than that he is quite simple person. He graduated on high > > school and that is it about his education. He works as a cab driver. > > Other interests are soccer, basketball and tennis. He is not > > intellectual and knowledgeable. Typical simple male. And I thought > > that I had no problem with that. I got used to it. When I was 18 he > > was top of perfection by all my criteria. Problem came as I was > > growing up. We became so obviously different. Yet I was going around > > telling people that he is perfect for me and never let anyone to > > notice that truth is much different and point at it to me. Being all > > that sweet and supportive he was my shelter from real world, from > > problems at home, from somebody new who could cause pain. I was so > > scared to leave. And I was scared to hurt him by leaving. Defense > > mechanism? > > > > Last year I even tried to convince myself that I should spend my > > whole life with him, because that is o.k. to him. Lets come back to > > Prashna chart from last night, you had a point. I was constantly > > under some not so serious, but boring health problems since 2006. > > There was family/money and 4th bhava issue at the time of brake up. > > The only way to live together was at his parents home. In one > > horrible set of events I tried that as well. Ouch! Money issue... I > > would be ready to deal with it only in case if I had ever seen him > > doing something about it, instead of running away from problems, > > being lazy and behaving like teenager about it. That was largest > > obstacle. I could not imagine father of my children behaving as > > adopted sibling to them. So as I said, I woke up one morning and > > truth hit me in all variety of its colors. Brake up was very sudden > > even to me (04. February this year). One thing I am certain. I am > > not coming back. > > > > I am very healthy right now. When my home situation improved I > > collected enough strength to brake up. Maybe I am selfish as well, > > o.k. > > > > So, as you see, when a female describes her emotional life it can > > not be simple and without too many details. I tried in previous > > emails, but you insisted on the story. > > > > (Oh, would you like me to send you some headache pills by DHL?) > > > > So, how many Upapadas is that? 8? 3? 2? 1? 0? > > > > Don't forget that Prasna from last night. Take it in consideration. > > It showed that I am still on the very beginning. I do feel like > > that. Like nothing happened. Like he newer was there. > > > > (I suppose you won't be much around this list for few days just > > until you recover from this) > > > > Best regards, > > Maja > > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > > > > > 1. There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make > > the > > > native biased about the close ones. The first Upapada MUST be > > > knowledgable, intelligent and kind of pravraja - just accept that. > > I > > > dont know if mentioned partner was the first, second or third - > > but the > > > first one was like that. Spirituality can be lacking due to other > > points > > > but pravraja tendency is there. UL is fixed when you think about > > one > > > person throughout a year. > > > > > > 2. So we still dont know exactly what was the issue with breaking > > the > > > relationship? Moon in eigth in D9 shows no real love, emotion - > > thats > > > the real cause - the excuse can be read by examining third and > > forth > > > bhavas in Rasi. > > > > > > I cast the prasna this morning. The issue for breakage was > > connected to > > > Rahu, Budha, third and first bhavas, 8L is again with Moon in > > twelfth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > I am very sure he happened. Six years is enough to be sure, don't > > > > you think? > > > > > > > > I am also very, very, very sure that he is past tense for good. > > And > > > > I shall tell you one more thing about him: he is so far, far, far > > > > away from reciting Gayatri or any other mantra or any > > spirituality > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > (for Gods sake, what is wrong with that Prashna) > > > > > > > > Maybe explanation is that so many grahas on UL can bring more > > than > > > > one partner connected to first UL. But that was the only long > > term > > > > relationship I ever had. > > > > > > > > Betrayal... in a way. Woke up one morning and realised what a > > waste > > > > of time that was. And illusion. Oh, he was prematurely gray and > > some > > > > small speech problems. All rest what that UL shows, NOTHING! > > > > > > > > Your girlfriend broke up maybe? (Are you shore you want me to > > write > > > > those personal and private things here? Are you shore it is o.k?) > > > > Would like to chat with her sometimes, there must be some nice > > > > science of humor. Anyway, from Jagganath point of view, you are > > > > definitely a Jyotish Guru O.K. About appearance.. . dark eyes, > > > > Budh in 2nd from first UL, benefic. Well Budh, Guru, > > Surya, " normal " > > > > would be the word I suppose. Don't mind me, please, but I think > > the > > > > other partner looks prettier with that Sk in trine. Oh, girl is > > in > > > > love. (But, Mangal is lording both Upapada, first and second. > > Maybe > > > > there was make up?) > > > > > > > > Gayatry mantra... oh, God, how far from that > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > Are you sure he was the first one? Lord of UL is strong in > > both D1 > > > > and D9. > > > > > > > > > > Shukra in UL and eleventh in D9 shows artistic talent, he > > should > > > > be > > > > > spiritual person also - more artistic, very knowledgable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I doubt you will loose that partner as both Ke/Gu are in > > forth > > > > and > > > > > strong - it could happened (first partner divorce/seperation) > > with > > > > > Vrsabha Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > Only afflictions comes from pravraja, neecha budha and > > > > papakartari. > > > > > Forth/third issues could be the problem > > > > > > > > > > Prashna shows Ra in Lg and Sa/Mo in eight as the hidden issues. > > > > Moon and > > > > > 2H involvment shows family, whilst Lagnesh and eight shows > > health > > > > > issues, 2/8 shows financial aspects whilst rahu involvment > > both in > > > > > prasna/navamsa/ rasi shows betrayal. > > > > > > > > > > So ? > > > > > > > > > > Upapada in Prashna is connected to Budha/Shukra/ Surya so there > > is > > > > strong > > > > > chance you are still at the 1st Upapada. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> <http://rohinaa. > > com <http://rohinaa.com>> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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