Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 kleem namah narasimhaaya Dear Maja, Namaskar Thank you. Until 2011 you are under curse of Chandra, so Vishnu mantra should be recited. Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal majastrbacastro napisał(a): Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafal, Namaste lets put that story aside. Follow Dasas... I am to tired to do that in this case. Whichever Upapada he is, what happened, what is going to happened, who is next, who was last, who was first, I don't really care anymore, trust me. I do know I will not let myself to get into something worse than this was. Openness... any time. Thank you very much for your valuable time! Now let's come back to other people and their posts. There are so many interesting questions to be answered. It was nice talking to you about this. Best regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > Upapada is when you want to give instead of take. So all other > relationship are more for A7. But there is high change that this boy is > indicated by other Upapada or you are biased. Judge the Dasas to be > sure. Appreciate your openness. > > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Rafal, > > Namaste > > > > (knowing myself, this is going to be a huge email...) > > > > I really feel so bad to bother you with this issue so much. You do > > have better and more constructive things to do on this list. Reason > > why I posted my birth data to you was just to hear one more opinion > > of that UL in my chart. Anyone learned in Jyotish would interpret it > > in the same manner that you did. I have heard such opinion before. > > Today when I know much more about Jytish than I did a year or two > > ago, in case somebody would come to me with that UL and ask for my > > opinion I would say the same thing. That it brings such partner like > > the one that your "paste tense" girlfriend got. So... you can stop > > here and reply to me simply with "I give up" or option number 2 is > > to read rest of this email and... In that case I see us as gray > > haired in a rocking chair still typing over this issue via email. > > > > Here we go. My complete emotional life. Nothing left out. I shall > > copy/paste some points from your previous mail. > > > > "There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make the > > native biased about the close ones." You are free to say that this > > is me, no need to call me "native", I can admit my own failures. > > This is true. > > I have whole bunch of psychological defensive mechanisms. > > > > "UL is fixed when you think about one person throughout a year." Now > > if this includes crushes which never led to a realized relationship, > > I had at least five of them in this category that lasted for longer > > than a year (all of them after I was 15). > > > > Before this longest relationship of all I had two of them that > > lasted for four months. First one was very important, and as far as > > I am concerned that was the only normal relationship that I ever > > had. He was knowledgeable, intelligent, with very good science of > > humor, sweet, it was like we knew each other for decades before we > > met. He is history because he is little bit too attached to his mom. > > He happened in spring of 2000. The other one is completely > > irrelevant. > > > > And then came along those "six years" I was talking about. I met him > > when I was 18. The only things I can connect to him from my chart is > > that he is really one very dear person with good intensions. Sukra > > is also on UL. He is beautiful by all means. Fatally beautiful. That > > relationship was very much based on physical attraction. Ketu in > > second from UL. First three years were complete mess. I can not even > > define if we were together for real. Lord of UL in second from it, > > he cared much more to sustain that relationship then I ever tried. > > Other than that he is quite simple person. He graduated on high > > school and that is it about his education. He works as a cab driver. > > Other interests are soccer, basketball and tennis. He is not > > intellectual and knowledgeable. Typical simple male. And I thought > > that I had no problem with that. I got used to it. When I was 18 he > > was top of perfection by all my criteria. Problem came as I was > > growing up. We became so obviously different. Yet I was going around > > telling people that he is perfect for me and never let anyone to > > notice that truth is much different and point at it to me. Being all > > that sweet and supportive he was my shelter from real world, from > > problems at home, from somebody new who could cause pain. I was so > > scared to leave. And I was scared to hurt him by leaving. Defense > > mechanism? > > > > Last year I even tried to convince myself that I should spend my > > whole life with him, because that is o.k. to him. Lets come back to > > Prashna chart from last night, you had a point. I was constantly > > under some not so serious, but boring health problems since 2006. > > There was family/money and 4th bhava issue at the time of brake up. > > The only way to live together was at his parents home. In one > > horrible set of events I tried that as well. Ouch! Money issue... I > > would be ready to deal with it only in case if I had ever seen him > > doing something about it, instead of running away from problems, > > being lazy and behaving like teenager about it. That was largest > > obstacle. I could not imagine father of my children behaving as > > adopted sibling to them. So as I said, I woke up one morning and > > truth hit me in all variety of its colors. Brake up was very sudden > > even to me (04. February this year). One thing I am certain. I am > > not coming back. > > > > I am very healthy right now. When my home situation improved I > > collected enough strength to brake up. Maybe I am selfish as well, > > o.k. > > > > So, as you see, when a female describes her emotional life it can > > not be simple and without too many details. I tried in previous > > emails, but you insisted on the story. > > > > (Oh, would you like me to send you some headache pills by DHL?) > > > > So, how many Upapadas is that? 8? 3? 2? 1? 0? > > > > Don't forget that Prasna from last night. Take it in consideration. > > It showed that I am still on the very beginning. I do feel like > > that. Like nothing happened. Like he newer was there. > > > > (I suppose you won't be much around this list for few days just > > until you recover from this) > > > > Best regards, > > Maja > > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > > > > > 1. There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make > > the > > > native biased about the close ones. The first Upapada MUST be > > > knowledgable, intelligent and kind of pravraja - just accept that. > > I > > > dont know if mentioned partner was the first, second or third - > > but the > > > first one was like that. Spirituality can be lacking due to other > > points > > > but pravraja tendency is there. UL is fixed when you think about > > one > > > person throughout a year. > > > > > > 2. So we still dont know exactly what was the issue with breaking > > the > > > relationship? Moon in eigth in D9 shows no real love, emotion - > > thats > > > the real cause - the excuse can be read by examining third and > > forth > > > bhavas in Rasi. > > > > > > I cast the prasna this morning. The issue for breakage was > > connected to > > > Rahu, Budha, third and first bhavas, 8L is again with Moon in > > twelfth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > I am very sure he happened. Six years is enough to be sure, don't > > > > you think? > > > > > > > > I am also very, very, very sure that he is past tense for good. > > And > > > > I shall tell you one more thing about him: he is so far, far, far > > > > away from reciting Gayatri or any other mantra or any > > spirituality > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > (for Gods sake, what is wrong with that Prashna) > > > > > > > > Maybe explanation is that so many grahas on UL can bring more > > than > > > > one partner connected to first UL. But that was the only long > > term > > > > relationship I ever had. > > > > > > > > Betrayal... in a way. Woke up one morning and realised what a > > waste > > > > of time that was. And illusion. Oh, he was prematurely gray and > > some > > > > small speech problems. All rest what that UL shows, NOTHING! > > > > > > > > Your girlfriend broke up maybe? (Are you shore you want me to > > write > > > > those personal and private things here? Are you shore it is o.k?) > > > > Would like to chat with her sometimes, there must be some nice > > > > science of humor. Anyway, from Jagganath point of view, you are > > > > definitely a Jyotish Guru O.K. About appearance.. . dark eyes, > > > > Budh in 2nd from first UL, benefic. Well Budh, Guru, > > Surya, "normal" > > > > would be the word I suppose. Don't mind me, please, but I think > > the > > > > other partner looks prettier with that Sk in trine. Oh, girl is > > in > > > > love. (But, Mangal is lording both Upapada, first and second. > > Maybe > > > > there was make up?) > > > > > > > > Gayatry mantra... oh, God, how far from that > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > Are you sure he was the first one? Lord of UL is strong in > > both D1 > > > > and D9. > > > > > > > > > > Shukra in UL and eleventh in D9 shows artistic talent, he > > should > > > > be > > > > > spiritual person also - more artistic, very knowledgable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I doubt you will loose that partner as both Ke/Gu are in > > forth > > > > and > > > > > strong - it could happened (first partner divorce/seperation) > > with > > > > > Vrsabha Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > Only afflictions comes from pravraja, neecha budha and > > > > papakartari. > > > > > Forth/third issues could be the problem > > > > > > > > > > Prashna shows Ra in Lg and Sa/Mo in eight as the hidden issues. > > > > Moon and > > > > > 2H involvment shows family, whilst Lagnesh and eight shows > > health > > > > > issues, 2/8 shows financial aspects whilst rahu involvment > > both in > > > > > prasna/navamsa/ rasi shows betrayal. > > > > > > > > > > So ? > > > > > > > > > > Upapada in Prashna is connected to Budha/Shukra/ Surya so there > > is > > > > strong > > > > > chance you are still at the 1st Upapada. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> <http://rohinaa. > > com <http://rohinaa.com>> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Best regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat Om Gurave Namah Dear Michal, Namaste this email, and we skip to another subject from my chart, I really think we had enough of me here (I mean, I can talk about for days and days, but I really think that people on this list are bored with this story). That is an interesting point with Jupiter, but I will also add that ninth house from UL are children with that partner. Chandra under curse, true, but has Guru rasi and graha dristi. I think that this could easily bring children without a single problem. If there was some good will. Jupiter looks just fine if you look at it from UL. Second paragraph: I do think that this UL also loudly and clearly shows much different occupation (the one we started this conversation over my chart), talents and abilities then those which you listed (though your point is true and you did a very good job in this paragraph). All I am saying is that I can bet that any Jyotisha would first say that one " loudly and clearly " rather than one that actually happened. As far as Chandra... yes, deary, I know! Until I've put a few patches on it with remedies, I could not move from that relationship. Now I feel like on vacation, spending my time in a five star hotel under all-inclusive arrangement (with foot massage and all rest . Anyway, congratulations for Rasi Tulia Navamsa moment! It never crossed my mind (probably because it is my own mind and was in such a mess). Let's not look at next relationship. Let's not give predictions. Leave it. Whatever happens, I am just fine. Now leave my chart aside. If we talk further in this thread, let's talk over UL over some other examples. Thanx! Best regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Maja, > > Just a few thoughts - > > Jupiter is darakaraka, lord of pancami tithi, and placed in UL. Jupiter is in MKS. This does not bode well for relationships eh? Based on this, we should not be suprised that the significations of Jupiter were not endowed in this partner. > > 3rd house shows short distance travels and with Mercury there, along with Venus (vehicles), a taxi driver is not so far fetched. Mars exalted in the 3rd from there will definately give a lot of energy, and with Mercury in a martian sign sports and games were a main activity for him. Shukra in Scorpio is a magnetic attraction. > > Moon is afflicted by three exalted malefics and is debilitated in Navamsa. If we bring that same Moon back into the rasi it falls right on that upapada showing a lot of mental and emotional turmoil. > > Lets look to the next relationship - Rahu in Gemini. Can't think of anyone of the top of my head, but I'll keep my eyes peeled:) > > Respectfully, > Michal > > > > > > majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro > > Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:23:23 AM > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Rafal, > Namaste > > (knowing myself, this is going to be a huge email...) > > I really feel so bad to bother you with this issue so much. You do > have better and more constructive things to do on this list. Reason > why I posted my birth data to you was just to hear one more opinion > of that UL in my chart. Anyone learned in Jyotish would interpret it > in the same manner that you did. I have heard such opinion before. > Today when I know much more about Jytish than I did a year or two > ago, in case somebody would come to me with that UL and ask for my > opinion I would say the same thing. That it brings such partner like > the one that your " paste tense " girlfriend got. So... you can stop > here and reply to me simply with " I give up " or option number 2 is > to read rest of this email and... In that case I see us as gray > haired in a rocking chair still typing over this issue via email. > > Here we go. My complete emotional life. Nothing left out. I shall > copy/paste some points from your previous mail. > > " There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make the > native biased about the close ones. " You are free to say that this > is me, no need to call me " native " , I can admit my own failures. > This is true. > I have whole bunch of psychological defensive mechanisms. > > " UL is fixed when you think about one person throughout a year. " Now > if this includes crushes which never led to a realized relationship, > I had at least five of them in this category that lasted for longer > than a year (all of them after I was 15). > > Before this longest relationship of all I had two of them that > lasted for four months. First one was very important, and as far as > I am concerned that was the only normal relationship that I ever > had. He was knowledgeable, intelligent, with very good science of > humor, sweet, it was like we knew each other for decades before we > met. He is history because he is little bit too attached to his mom. > He happened in spring of 2000. The other one is completely > irrelevant. > > And then came along those " six years " I was talking about. I met him > when I was 18. The only things I can connect to him from my chart is > that he is really one very dear person with good intensions. Sukra > is also on UL. He is beautiful by all means. Fatally beautiful. That > relationship was very much based on physical attraction. Ketu in > second from UL. First three years were complete mess. I can not even > define if we were together for real. Lord of UL in second from it, > he cared much more to sustain that relationship then I ever tried. > Other than that he is quite simple person. He graduated on high > school and that is it about his education. He works as a cab driver. > Other interests are soccer, basketball and tennis. He is not > intellectual and knowledgeable. Typical simple male. And I thought > that I had no problem with that. I got used to it. When I was 18 he > was top of perfection by all my criteria. Problem came as I was > growing up. We became so obviously different. Yet I was going around > telling people that he is perfect for me and never let anyone to > notice that truth is much different and point at it to me. Being all > that sweet and supportive he was my shelter from real world, from > problems at home, from somebody new who could cause pain. I was so > scared to leave. And I was scared to hurt him by leaving. Defense > mechanism? > > Last year I even tried to convince myself that I should spend my > whole life with him, because that is o.k. to him. Lets come back to > Prashna chart from last night, you had a point. I was constantly > under some not so serious, but boring health problems since 2006. > There was family/money and 4th bhava issue at the time of brake up. > The only way to live together was at his parents home. In one > horrible set of events I tried that as well. Ouch! Money issue... I > would be ready to deal with it only in case if I had ever seen him > doing something about it, instead of running away from problems, > being lazy and behaving like teenager about it. That was largest > obstacle. I could not imagine father of my children behaving as > adopted sibling to them. So as I said, I woke up one morning and > truth hit me in all variety of its colors. Brake up was very sudden > even to me (04. February this year). One thing I am certain. I am > not coming back. > > I am very healthy right now. When my home situation improved I > collected enough strength to brake up. Maybe I am selfish as well, > o.k. > > So, as you see, when a female describes her emotional life it can > not be simple and without too many details. I tried in previous > emails, but you insisted on the story. > > (Oh, would you like me to send you some headache pills by DHL?) > > So, how many Upapadas is that? 8? 3? 2? 1? 0? > > Don't forget that Prasna from last night. Take it in consideration. > It showed that I am still on the very beginning. I do feel like > that. Like nothing happened. Like he newer was there. > > (I suppose you won't be much around this list for few days just > until you recover from this) > > Best regards, > Maja > > , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> > wrote: > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > > > 1. There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make > the > > native biased about the close ones. The first Upapada MUST be > > knowledgable, intelligent and kind of pravraja - just accept that. > I > > dont know if mentioned partner was the first, second or third - > but the > > first one was like that. Spirituality can be lacking due to other > points > > but pravraja tendency is there. UL is fixed when you think about > one > > person throughout a year. > > > > 2. So we still dont know exactly what was the issue with breaking > the > > relationship? Moon in eigth in D9 shows no real love, emotion - > thats > > the real cause - the excuse can be read by examining third and > forth > > bhavas in Rasi. > > > > I cast the prasna this morning. The issue for breakage was > connected to > > Rahu, Budha, third and first bhavas, 8L is again with Moon in > twelfth. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal@ > > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > Namaste > > > > > > I am very sure he happened. Six years is enough to be sure, don't > > > you think? > > > > > > I am also very, very, very sure that he is past tense for good. > And > > > I shall tell you one more thing about him: he is so far, far, far > > > away from reciting Gayatri or any other mantra or any > spirituality > > > at all. > > > > > > (for Gods sake, what is wrong with that Prashna) > > > > > > Maybe explanation is that so many grahas on UL can bring more > than > > > one partner connected to first UL. But that was the only long > term > > > relationship I ever had. > > > > > > Betrayal... in a way. Woke up one morning and realised what a > waste > > > of time that was. And illusion. Oh, he was prematurely gray and > some > > > small speech problems. All rest what that UL shows, NOTHING! > > > > > > Your girlfriend broke up maybe? (Are you shore you want me to > write > > > those personal and private things here? Are you shore it is o.k?) > > > Would like to chat with her sometimes, there must be some nice > > > science of humor. Anyway, from Jagganath point of view, you are > > > definitely a Jyotish Guru O.K. About appearance.. . dark eyes, > > > Budh in 2nd from first UL, benefic. Well Budh, Guru, > Surya, " normal " > > > would be the word I suppose. Don't mind me, please, but I think > the > > > other partner looks prettier with that Sk in trine. Oh, girl is > in > > > love. (But, Mangal is lording both Upapada, first and second. > Maybe > > > there was make up?) > > > > > > Gayatry mantra... oh, God, how far from that > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Maja > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > <starsuponme@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > > > > > > > Are you sure he was the first one? Lord of UL is strong in > both D1 > > > and D9. > > > > > > > > Shukra in UL and eleventh in D9 shows artistic talent, he > should > > > be > > > > spiritual person also - more artistic, very knowledgable. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I doubt you will loose that partner as both Ke/Gu are in > forth > > > and > > > > strong - it could happened (first partner divorce/seperation) > with > > > > Vrsabha Lagna. > > > > > > > > Only afflictions comes from pravraja, neecha budha and > > > papakartari. > > > > Forth/third issues could be the problem > > > > > > > > Prashna shows Ra in Lg and Sa/Mo in eight as the hidden issues. > > > Moon and > > > > 2H involvment shows family, whilst Lagnesh and eight shows > health > > > > issues, 2/8 shows financial aspects whilst rahu involvment > both in > > > > prasna/navamsa/ rasi shows betrayal. > > > > > > > > So ? > > > > > > > > Upapada in Prashna is connected to Budha/Shukra/ Surya so there > is > > > strong > > > > chance you are still at the 1st Upapada. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > well I was wondering what happened with birth data in your > > > previous > > > > > email. Mercury is definitely having a showtime these > days. I > > > am > > > > > entering birth data of this girl. While looking at her chart, > > > here > > > > > is something for you. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not > asking > > > you > > > > > for personal reading. I just want to hear your opinion over > that > > > UL > > > > > in my chart and what you think the first partner was like. > That > > > > > first UL in my chart has a lot in common with 2nd Upapada in > this > > > > > girls chart. At least by graha positions. So, what do you > think? > > > > > What was he like? Because I can not in no case connect > > > that " chart " > > > > > story to that actual story that happened. > > > > > > > > > > Few Jyotisha slipped on interpretation. I am sending it just > for > > > > > that sake, not to bother you in this late hours. I already > know > > > what > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > > Sending my comment later. > > > > > > > > > > My birth data > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 05. December 1982. > > > > > TOB: 01:15 > > > > > POB: 17 E 48; 43 N 20; > > > > > Time zone: 01h East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > The details for previous post: > > > > > > > > > > > > June 28, 1983 > > > > > > Time: 13:53:00 > > > > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > Place: 19 E 05' 10 " , 50 N 19' 10 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com > > > <http://rohinaa. com>> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja S(trbac napisa?(a): > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Michal Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > */Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja and co.(rex) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of > > > > > premature > > > > > > > ageing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear member, > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu > > > > > being Kula > > > > > > > Devata and Moksha karaka. " Moksha " means liberation from > > > > > cycle of > > > > > > > rebirth. " Kula " means linage, family tradition. In > contest > > > > > of Vedic > > > > > > > understandings the only way to continue family tradition > is > > > > > to form > > > > > > > your own family. Children are must in this case (own or > > > > > adopted). > > > > > > > One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she > forms > > > > > a > > > > > > > family. This is far from being the one and only > condition, > > > > > but it is > > > > > > > certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why > Ketu is > > > > > > > considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and > > > > > marriage. It > > > > > > > contributes continuing family tradition through offspring > > > > > and as > > > > > > > such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to > > > > > Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other side there is another way to accomplish > Moksha. > > > > > That is > > > > > > > celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to > > > > > spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be > beneficial and > > > > > > > maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if > there is > > > > > > > offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring > constant > > > > > ups and > > > > > > > downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden > downs > > > > > when > > > > > > > least expected. You never know what to expect with Ketu. > > > > > There can > > > > > > > be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is > > > > > unstable > > > > > > > relationship unless there is offspring. It is > recommended to > > > > > have > > > > > > > children with that certain partner as soon as possible, > and > > > > > not to > > > > > > > delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only in > > > > > that case > > > > > > > marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are more than welcome in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, " corex_57 " > > > > > <corex_57@ > > > > > > > .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello List and Teachers, > > > > > > > > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that context, > > > > > Ketu is > > > > > > > > considered a benefic because it is considered that > > > > > marriage/ > > > > > > > partner > > > > > > > > will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering > what > > > > > Ketu in > > > > > > > > second house from UL signify? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafal, Namaste Jyotisha by all means... always trying to be helpful. Thank you. Best regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > Thank you. > > Until 2011 you are under curse of Chandra, so Vishnu mantra should be > recited. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Rafal, > > Namaste > > > > lets put that story aside. Follow Dasas... I am to tired to do that > > in this case. Whichever Upapada he is, what happened, what is going > > to happened, who is next, who was last, who was first, I don't > > really care anymore, trust me. I do know I will not let myself to > > get into something worse than this was. Openness... any time. > > > > Thank you very much for your valuable time! Now let's come back to > > other people and their posts. There are so many interesting > > questions to be answered. It was nice talking to you about this. > > > > Best regards, > > Maja > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > > wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > > > > > Upapada is when you want to give instead of take. So all other > > > relationship are more for A7. But there is high change that this > > boy is > > > indicated by other Upapada or you are biased. Judge the Dasas to > > be > > > sure. Appreciate your openness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > (knowing myself, this is going to be a huge email...) > > > > > > > > I really feel so bad to bother you with this issue so much. You > > do > > > > have better and more constructive things to do on this list. > > Reason > > > > why I posted my birth data to you was just to hear one more > > opinion > > > > of that UL in my chart. Anyone learned in Jyotish would > > interpret it > > > > in the same manner that you did. I have heard such opinion > > before. > > > > Today when I know much more about Jytish than I did a year or two > > > > ago, in case somebody would come to me with that UL and ask for > > my > > > > opinion I would say the same thing. That it brings such partner > > like > > > > the one that your " paste tense " girlfriend got. So... you can > > stop > > > > here and reply to me simply with " I give up " or option number 2 > > is > > > > to read rest of this email and... In that case I see us as gray > > > > haired in a rocking chair still typing over this issue via > > email. > > > > > > > > Here we go. My complete emotional life. Nothing left out. I shall > > > > copy/paste some points from your previous mail. > > > > > > > > " There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make the > > > > native biased about the close ones. " You are free to say that > > this > > > > is me, no need to call me " native " , I can admit my own failures. > > > > This is true. > > > > I have whole bunch of psychological defensive mechanisms. > > > > > > > > " UL is fixed when you think about one person throughout a year. " > > Now > > > > if this includes crushes which never led to a realized > > relationship, > > > > I had at least five of them in this category that lasted for > > longer > > > > than a year (all of them after I was 15). > > > > > > > > Before this longest relationship of all I had two of them that > > > > lasted for four months. First one was very important, and as far > > as > > > > I am concerned that was the only normal relationship that I ever > > > > had. He was knowledgeable, intelligent, with very good science of > > > > humor, sweet, it was like we knew each other for decades before > > we > > > > met. He is history because he is little bit too attached to his > > mom. > > > > He happened in spring of 2000. The other one is completely > > > > irrelevant. > > > > > > > > And then came along those " six years " I was talking about. I met > > him > > > > when I was 18. The only things I can connect to him from my > > chart is > > > > that he is really one very dear person with good intensions. > > Sukra > > > > is also on UL. He is beautiful by all means. Fatally beautiful. > > That > > > > relationship was very much based on physical attraction. Ketu in > > > > second from UL. First three years were complete mess. I can not > > even > > > > define if we were together for real. Lord of UL in second from > > it, > > > > he cared much more to sustain that relationship then I ever > > tried. > > > > Other than that he is quite simple person. He graduated on high > > > > school and that is it about his education. He works as a cab > > driver. > > > > Other interests are soccer, basketball and tennis. He is not > > > > intellectual and knowledgeable. Typical simple male. And I > > thought > > > > that I had no problem with that. I got used to it. When I was 18 > > he > > > > was top of perfection by all my criteria. Problem came as I was > > > > growing up. We became so obviously different. Yet I was going > > around > > > > telling people that he is perfect for me and never let anyone to > > > > notice that truth is much different and point at it to me. Being > > all > > > > that sweet and supportive he was my shelter from real world, from > > > > problems at home, from somebody new who could cause pain. I was > > so > > > > scared to leave. And I was scared to hurt him by leaving. Defense > > > > mechanism? > > > > > > > > Last year I even tried to convince myself that I should spend my > > > > whole life with him, because that is o.k. to him. Lets come back > > to > > > > Prashna chart from last night, you had a point. I was constantly > > > > under some not so serious, but boring health problems since 2006. > > > > There was family/money and 4th bhava issue at the time of brake > > up. > > > > The only way to live together was at his parents home. In one > > > > horrible set of events I tried that as well. Ouch! Money > > issue... I > > > > would be ready to deal with it only in case if I had ever seen > > him > > > > doing something about it, instead of running away from problems, > > > > being lazy and behaving like teenager about it. That was largest > > > > obstacle. I could not imagine father of my children behaving as > > > > adopted sibling to them. So as I said, I woke up one morning and > > > > truth hit me in all variety of its colors. Brake up was very > > sudden > > > > even to me (04. February this year). One thing I am certain. I am > > > > not coming back. > > > > > > > > I am very healthy right now. When my home situation improved I > > > > collected enough strength to brake up. Maybe I am selfish as > > well, > > > > o.k. > > > > > > > > So, as you see, when a female describes her emotional life it can > > > > not be simple and without too many details. I tried in previous > > > > emails, but you insisted on the story. > > > > > > > > (Oh, would you like me to send you some headache pills by DHL?) > > > > > > > > So, how many Upapadas is that? 8? 3? 2? 1? 0? > > > > > > > > Don't forget that Prasna from last night. Take it in > > consideration. > > > > It showed that I am still on the very beginning. I do feel like > > > > that. Like nothing happened. Like he newer was there. > > > > > > > > (I suppose you won't be much around this list for few days just > > > > until you recover from this) > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > 1. There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make > > > > the > > > > > native biased about the close ones. The first Upapada MUST be > > > > > knowledgable, intelligent and kind of pravraja - just accept > > that. > > > > I > > > > > dont know if mentioned partner was the first, second or third - > > > > but the > > > > > first one was like that. Spirituality can be lacking due to > > other > > > > points > > > > > but pravraja tendency is there. UL is fixed when you think > > about > > > > one > > > > > person throughout a year. > > > > > > > > > > 2. So we still dont know exactly what was the issue with > > breaking > > > > the > > > > > relationship? Moon in eigth in D9 shows no real love, emotion - > > > > thats > > > > > the real cause - the excuse can be read by examining third and > > > > forth > > > > > bhavas in Rasi. > > > > > > > > > > I cast the prasna this morning. The issue for breakage was > > > > connected to > > > > > Rahu, Budha, third and first bhavas, 8L is again with Moon in > > > > twelfth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com > > <http://rohinaa.com>> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very sure he happened. Six years is enough to be sure, > > don't > > > > > > you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also very, very, very sure that he is past tense for > > good. > > > > And > > > > > > I shall tell you one more thing about him: he is so far, > > far, far > > > > > > away from reciting Gayatri or any other mantra or any > > > > spirituality > > > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > (for Gods sake, what is wrong with that Prashna) > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe explanation is that so many grahas on UL can bring more > > > > than > > > > > > one partner connected to first UL. But that was the only long > > > > term > > > > > > relationship I ever had. > > > > > > > > > > > > Betrayal... in a way. Woke up one morning and realised what a > > > > waste > > > > > > of time that was. And illusion. Oh, he was prematurely gray > > and > > > > some > > > > > > small speech problems. All rest what that UL shows, NOTHING! > > > > > > > > > > > > Your girlfriend broke up maybe? (Are you shore you want me to > > > > write > > > > > > those personal and private things here? Are you shore it is > > o.k?) > > > > > > Would like to chat with her sometimes, there must be some > > nice > > > > > > science of humor. Anyway, from Jagganath point of view, you > > are > > > > > > definitely a Jyotish Guru O.K. About appearance.. . dark > > eyes, > > > > > > Budh in 2nd from first UL, benefic. Well Budh, Guru, > > > > Surya, " normal " > > > > > > would be the word I suppose. Don't mind me, please, but I > > think > > > > the > > > > > > other partner looks prettier with that Sk in trine. Oh, girl > > is > > > > in > > > > > > love. (But, Mangal is lording both Upapada, first and second. > > > > Maybe > > > > > > there was make up?) > > > > > > > > > > > > Gayatry mantra... oh, God, how far from that > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > > > <starsuponme@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you sure he was the first one? Lord of UL is strong in > > > > both D1 > > > > > > and D9. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shukra in UL and eleventh in D9 shows artistic talent, he > > > > should > > > > > > be > > > > > > > spiritual person also - more artistic, very knowledgable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I doubt you will loose that partner as both Ke/Gu are in > > > > forth > > > > > > and > > > > > > > strong - it could happened (first partner > > divorce/seperation) > > > > with > > > > > > > Vrsabha Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only afflictions comes from pravraja, neecha budha and > > > > > > papakartari. > > > > > > > Forth/third issues could be the problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashna shows Ra in Lg and Sa/Mo in eight as the hidden > > issues. > > > > > > Moon and > > > > > > > 2H involvment shows family, whilst Lagnesh and eight shows > > > > health > > > > > > > issues, 2/8 shows financial aspects whilst rahu involvment > > > > both in > > > > > > > prasna/navamsa/ rasi shows betrayal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upapada in Prashna is connected to Budha/Shukra/ Surya so > > there > > > > is > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > chance you are still at the 1st Upapada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com > > <http://rohinaa.com>> > > <http://rohinaa. > > > > com <http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com>>> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafal, Namaste this girl is all about spirituality. Kala Amrita Yoga is there also. Which might be difficult for partnership in generally because it is widely over 1/7 bhava. Could child birth in this case be indicator of overcoming this yoga? Guru is under curse, and is lording 5th from it. She should do a lot of remedies to overcome that (deary her, Sy is not so well placed when you look important arudas for conceiving a child and maintaining pregnancy). I sure hope that she has no opportunity to read this, because I don't really like how this second relationship looks like. 2nd UL is in 12th from her AL. You know what that means. This relationship is suppose to be sustained by bhava which is aspected by rasi dristi of Sa in rasi chart. Sa in 2nd from bhava related to her second relationship in D9 with Chandra. Lack of emotions, coldness again? Lack of time for each other because of preoccupation due to other duties? Other than that, this Chandra is also receiving graha dristi from Rahu and Mangal in D9. This is not good, anger, shocks (this is also about debts and that struggle, additionally lord of 2nd bhava is in 12th from this in D9). 2nd Upapada in apoklima bhava in D1, Sani is lording, Sani in apoklima in 12, is he much older than her? Rahu in trine in D1, so again is he much older? Outlander maybe? Sk, Bu and Ma are having graha dristi on 2nd bhava related to present relationship. I sure hope that there will not be a little bit of history repeating to this girl in this relationship. Ak is very connected to this relationship even more than in previous (lords first UL in D1). It is in second bhava in D9 and her 2nd upapada receives graha dristi from Ak. Very important experience for her, especially for spirituality (especially now Gu MD, Ke AD). There can be strong impression of " soul mate " in this case. Had any of these two relationships started in Sani Antar dasa (2003.)? Maybe this second? Should we apply chara karaka replacement scheme? AmK an BK are sharing same degree. PiK and PK also share degee. Please help, I am stuck on AmK and BK. If we replace Sy to become AmK, what is going to be BK? Guru and Surya are both taken or " evaporated " . Best regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Jyotisha , Namaskar > > Ok. Here we have another Ju+Ke partner (2UL aspected by Gu+Ke). The > second serious partner of this girl is very spiritual and artistic > personality in Iskcon-Poland. Very devoted person but struggles a lot > from debts. Budha in 2H in D9 aspected by Shukra shows artistic > abilities which are excelled on spiritual envinroment. > > The first partner was artist - painter and also quite spiritual (isckon > devotee) - see 7H in D9. The issue for breakage was personal traits and > desire for other girl - Ve+Ma (other partner), Surya (spiritual and > personal differences) which caused lack of love - 2H from UL - dominated > by chandra. The break was done by partner (Moon sits in UL and in kona > to 7H in D9). > > > > > > September 29, 1983 > Time: 11:19:19 > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 19 E 25' 10 " , 50 N 30' 10 " > > Native is also spiritual (Sun has argala on Lagnesh and AK, AK in 2H in > D9) . She was inspired by her partner to follow tyaga marga - BK in > parivartana with Shukra. > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > Best regards, > > Maja > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Michal, > > Namaste > > > > this email, and we skip to another subject from my chart, I really > > think we had enough of me here (I mean, I can talk about for days > > and days, but I really think that people on this list are bored with > > this story). That is an interesting point with Jupiter, but I will > > also add that ninth house from UL are children with that partner. > > Chandra under curse, true, but has Guru rasi and graha dristi. I > > think that this could easily bring children without a single > > problem. If there was some good will. Jupiter looks just fine if you > > look at it from UL. > > > > Second paragraph: I do think that this UL also loudly and clearly > > shows much different occupation (the one we started this > > conversation over my chart), talents and abilities then those which > > you listed (though your point is true and you did a very good job in > > this paragraph). All I am saying is that I can bet that any Jyotisha > > would first say that one " loudly and clearly " rather than one that > > actually happened. > > > > As far as Chandra... yes, deary, I know! Until I've put a few > > patches on it with remedies, I could not move from that > > relationship. Now I feel like on vacation, spending my time in a > > five star hotel under all-inclusive arrangement (with foot massage > > and all rest . Anyway, congratulations for Rasi Tulia Navamsa > > moment! It never crossed my mind (probably because it is my own mind > > and was in such a mess). > > > > Let's not look at next relationship. Let's not give predictions. > > Leave it. Whatever happens, I am just fine. > > > > Now leave my chart aside. If we talk further in this thread, let's > > talk over UL over some other examples. > > > > Thanx! > > > > Best regards, > > Maja > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > <%40>, Michal Dziwulski > > <nearmichal@> wrote: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > Just a few thoughts - > > > > > > Jupiter is darakaraka, lord of pancami tithi, and placed in UL. > > Jupiter is in MKS. This does not bode well for relationships eh? > > Based on this, we should not be suprised that the significations of > > Jupiter were not endowed in this partner. > > > > > > 3rd house shows short distance travels and with Mercury there, > > along with Venus (vehicles), a taxi driver is not so far fetched. > > Mars exalted in the 3rd from there will definately give a lot of > > energy, and with Mercury in a martian sign sports and games were a > > main activity for him. Shukra in Scorpio is a magnetic attraction. > > > > > > Moon is afflicted by three exalted malefics and is debilitated in > > Navamsa. If we bring that same Moon back into the rasi it falls > > right on that upapada showing a lot of mental and emotional turmoil. > > > > > > Lets look to the next relationship - Rahu in Gemini. Can't think > > of anyone of the top of my head, but I'll keep my eyes peeled:) > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro@> > > > <% 40> > > > Tuesday, June 10, 2008 5:23:23 AM > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > Namaste > > > > > > (knowing myself, this is going to be a huge email...) > > > > > > I really feel so bad to bother you with this issue so much. You do > > > have better and more constructive things to do on this list. > > Reason > > > why I posted my birth data to you was just to hear one more > > opinion > > > of that UL in my chart. Anyone learned in Jyotish would interpret > > it > > > in the same manner that you did. I have heard such opinion before. > > > Today when I know much more about Jytish than I did a year or two > > > ago, in case somebody would come to me with that UL and ask for my > > > opinion I would say the same thing. That it brings such partner > > like > > > the one that your " paste tense " girlfriend got. So... you can stop > > > here and reply to me simply with " I give up " or option number 2 is > > > to read rest of this email and... In that case I see us as gray > > > haired in a rocking chair still typing over this issue via > > email. > > > > > > Here we go. My complete emotional life. Nothing left out. I shall > > > copy/paste some points from your previous mail. > > > > > > " There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make the > > > native biased about the close ones. " You are free to say that this > > > is me, no need to call me " native " , I can admit my own failures. > > > This is true. > > > I have whole bunch of psychological defensive mechanisms. > > > > > > " UL is fixed when you think about one person throughout a year. " > > Now > > > if this includes crushes which never led to a realized > > relationship, > > > I had at least five of them in this category that lasted for > > longer > > > than a year (all of them after I was 15). > > > > > > Before this longest relationship of all I had two of them that > > > lasted for four months. First one was very important, and as far > > as > > > I am concerned that was the only normal relationship that I ever > > > had. He was knowledgeable, intelligent, with very good science of > > > humor, sweet, it was like we knew each other for decades before we > > > met. He is history because he is little bit too attached to his > > mom. > > > He happened in spring of 2000. The other one is completely > > > irrelevant. > > > > > > And then came along those " six years " I was talking about. I met > > him > > > when I was 18. The only things I can connect to him from my chart > > is > > > that he is really one very dear person with good intensions. Sukra > > > is also on UL. He is beautiful by all means. Fatally beautiful. > > That > > > relationship was very much based on physical attraction. Ketu in > > > second from UL. First three years were complete mess. I can not > > even > > > define if we were together for real. Lord of UL in second from it, > > > he cared much more to sustain that relationship then I ever tried. > > > Other than that he is quite simple person. He graduated on high > > > school and that is it about his education. He works as a cab > > driver. > > > Other interests are soccer, basketball and tennis. He is not > > > intellectual and knowledgeable. Typical simple male. And I thought > > > that I had no problem with that. I got used to it. When I was 18 > > he > > > was top of perfection by all my criteria. Problem came as I was > > > growing up. We became so obviously different. Yet I was going > > around > > > telling people that he is perfect for me and never let anyone to > > > notice that truth is much different and point at it to me. Being > > all > > > that sweet and supportive he was my shelter from real world, from > > > problems at home, from somebody new who could cause pain. I was so > > > scared to leave. And I was scared to hurt him by leaving. Defense > > > mechanism? > > > > > > Last year I even tried to convince myself that I should spend my > > > whole life with him, because that is o.k. to him. Lets come back > > to > > > Prashna chart from last night, you had a point. I was constantly > > > under some not so serious, but boring health problems since 2006. > > > There was family/money and 4th bhava issue at the time of brake > > up. > > > The only way to live together was at his parents home. In one > > > horrible set of events I tried that as well. Ouch! Money issue... > > I > > > would be ready to deal with it only in case if I had ever seen him > > > doing something about it, instead of running away from problems, > > > being lazy and behaving like teenager about it. That was largest > > > obstacle. I could not imagine father of my children behaving as > > > adopted sibling to them. So as I said, I woke up one morning and > > > truth hit me in all variety of its colors. Brake up was very > > sudden > > > even to me (04. February this year). One thing I am certain. I am > > > not coming back. > > > > > > I am very healthy right now. When my home situation improved I > > > collected enough strength to brake up. Maybe I am selfish as well, > > > o.k. > > > > > > So, as you see, when a female describes her emotional life it can > > > not be simple and without too many details. I tried in previous > > > emails, but you insisted on the story. > > > > > > (Oh, would you like me to send you some headache pills by DHL?) > > > > > > So, how many Upapadas is that? 8? 3? 2? 1? 0? > > > > > > Don't forget that Prasna from last night. Take it in > > consideration. > > > It showed that I am still on the very beginning. I do feel like > > > that. Like nothing happened. Like he newer was there. > > > > > > (I suppose you won't be much around this list for few days just > > > until you recover from this) > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Maja > > > > > > , Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > > > > > > > 1. There are some psychological defensive mechanisms which make > > > the > > > > native biased about the close ones. The first Upapada MUST be > > > > knowledgable, intelligent and kind of pravraja - just accept > > that. > > > I > > > > dont know if mentioned partner was the first, second or third - > > > but the > > > > first one was like that. Spirituality can be lacking due to > > other > > > points > > > > but pravraja tendency is there. UL is fixed when you think about > > > one > > > > person throughout a year. > > > > > > > > 2. So we still dont know exactly what was the issue with > > breaking > > > the > > > > relationship? Moon in eigth in D9 shows no real love, emotion - > > > thats > > > > the real cause - the excuse can be read by examining third and > > > forth > > > > bhavas in Rasi. > > > > > > > > I cast the prasna this morning. The issue for breakage was > > > connected to > > > > Rahu, Budha, third and first bhavas, 8L is again with Moon in > > > twelfth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > I am very sure he happened. Six years is enough to be sure, > > don't > > > > > you think? > > > > > > > > > > I am also very, very, very sure that he is past tense for > > good. > > > And > > > > > I shall tell you one more thing about him: he is so far, far, > > far > > > > > away from reciting Gayatri or any other mantra or any > > > spirituality > > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > (for Gods sake, what is wrong with that Prashna) > > > > > > > > > > Maybe explanation is that so many grahas on UL can bring more > > > than > > > > > one partner connected to first UL. But that was the only long > > > term > > > > > relationship I ever had. > > > > > > > > > > Betrayal... in a way. Woke up one morning and realised what a > > > waste > > > > > of time that was. And illusion. Oh, he was prematurely gray > > and > > > some > > > > > small speech problems. All rest what that UL shows, NOTHING! > > > > > > > > > > Your girlfriend broke up maybe? (Are you shore you want me to > > > write > > > > > those personal and private things here? Are you shore it is > > o.k?) > > > > > Would like to chat with her sometimes, there must be some nice > > > > > science of humor. Anyway, from Jagganath point of view, you are > > > > > definitely a Jyotish Guru O.K. About appearance.. . dark > > eyes, > > > > > Budh in 2nd from first UL, benefic. Well Budh, Guru, > > > Surya, " normal " > > > > > would be the word I suppose. Don't mind me, please, but I > > think > > > the > > > > > other partner looks prettier with that Sk in trine. Oh, girl > > is > > > in > > > > > love. (But, Mangal is lording both Upapada, first and second. > > > Maybe > > > > > there was make up?) > > > > > > > > > > Gayatry mantra... oh, God, how far from that > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > > <starsuponme@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you sure he was the first one? Lord of UL is strong in > > > both D1 > > > > > and D9. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shukra in UL and eleventh in D9 shows artistic talent, he > > > should > > > > > be > > > > > > spiritual person also - more artistic, very knowledgable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I doubt you will loose that partner as both Ke/Gu are in > > > forth > > > > > and > > > > > > strong - it could happened (first partner > > divorce/seperation) > > > with > > > > > > Vrsabha Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > Only afflictions comes from pravraja, neecha budha and > > > > > papakartari. > > > > > > Forth/third issues could be the problem > > > > > > > > > > > > Prashna shows Ra in Lg and Sa/Mo in eight as the hidden > > issues. > > > > > Moon and > > > > > > 2H involvment shows family, whilst Lagnesh and eight shows > > > health > > > > > > issues, 2/8 shows financial aspects whilst rahu involvment > > > both in > > > > > > prasna/navamsa/ rasi shows betrayal. > > > > > > > > > > > > So ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Upapada in Prashna is connected to Budha/Shukra/ Surya so > > there > > > is > > > > > strong > > > > > > chance you are still at the 1st Upapada. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: > > rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well I was wondering what happened with birth data in your > > > > > previous > > > > > > > email. Mercury is definitely having a showtime these > > > days. I > > > > > am > > > > > > > entering birth data of this girl. While looking at her > > chart, > > > > > here > > > > > > > is something for you. Now, don't get me wrong, I am not > > > asking > > > > > you > > > > > > > for personal reading. I just want to hear your opinion > > over > > > that > > > > > UL > > > > > > > in my chart and what you think the first partner was like. > > > That > > > > > > > first UL in my chart has a lot in common with 2nd Upapada > > in > > > this > > > > > > > girls chart. At least by graha positions. So, what do you > > > think? > > > > > > > What was he like? Because I can not in no case connect > > > > > that " chart " > > > > > > > story to that actual story that happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Few Jyotisha slipped on interpretation. I am sending it > > just > > > for > > > > > > > that sake, not to bother you in this late hours. I already > > > know > > > > > what > > > > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sending my comment later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOB: 05. December 1982. > > > > > > > TOB: 01:15 > > > > > > > POB: 17 E 48; 43 N 20; > > > > > > > Time zone: 01h East of GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The details for previous post: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > June 28, 1983 > > > > > > > > Time: 13:53:00 > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > Place: 19 E 05' 10 " , 50 N 19' 10 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com > > > > > <http://rohinaa. com>> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja S(trbac napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Michal Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > */Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja and co.(rex) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in 2nd from UL can also show partner has signs of > > > > > > > premature > > > > > > > > > ageing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > majastrbacastro <majastrbacastro@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 9, 2008 7:07:14 AM > > > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: UL question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear member, > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a way you are right. Explanation for this is in Ketu > > > > > > > being Kula > > > > > > > > > Devata and Moksha karaka. " Moksha " means liberation > > from > > > > > > > cycle of > > > > > > > > > rebirth. " Kula " means linage, family tradition. In > > > contest > > > > > > > of Vedic > > > > > > > > > understandings the only way to continue family > > tradition > > > is > > > > > > > to form > > > > > > > > > your own family. Children are must in this case (own or > > > > > > > adopted). > > > > > > > > > One doesn't necessarily accomplish Moksha if he or she > > > forms > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > family. This is far from being the one and only > > > condition, > > > > > > > but it is > > > > > > > > > certainly the MOST important. That is the reason why > > > Ketu is > > > > > > > > > considered as beneficial for matters of Upapada and > > > > > > > marriage. It > > > > > > > > > contributes continuing family tradition through > > offspring > > > > > > > and as > > > > > > > > > such leads in marriage. That means few steps closer to > > > > > > > Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the other side there is another way to accomplish > > > Moksha. > > > > > > > That is > > > > > > > > > celibacy (brahmacarya) and complete dedication to > > > > > > > spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in second house from Upapada Lagna can be > > > beneficial and > > > > > > > > > maintain that relationship/ marriage only in case if > > > there is > > > > > > > > > offspring with that partner. Otherwise it can bring > > > constant > > > > > > > ups and > > > > > > > > > downs, and that means very sudden ups and very sudden > > > downs > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > least expected. You never know what to expect with > > Ketu. > > > > > > > There can > > > > > > > > > be brake ups followed by make ups all the time. It is > > > > > > > unstable > > > > > > > > > relationship unless there is offspring. It is > > > recommended to > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > children with that certain partner as soon as > > possible, > > > and > > > > > > > not to > > > > > > > > > delay birth of child for longer than three years. Only > > in > > > > > > > that case > > > > > > > > > marriage/relationsh ip can last for lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are more than welcome in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, " corex_57 " > > > > > > > <corex_57@ > > > > > > > > > .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello List and Teachers, > > > > > > > > > > I was reading about Upapada Lagna, and in that > > context, > > > > > > > Ketu is > > > > > > > > > > considered a benefic because it is considered that > > > > > > > marriage/ > > > > > > > > > partner > > > > > > > > > > will lead to Moksha (Am i correct?). I was wondering > > > what > > > > > > > Ketu in > > > > > > > > > > second house from UL signify? Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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