When is debilitation helpful?

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|| Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Vadhris-ji, namaskar. Debilitation effects can depend on situation and on the degree of debilitation (i.e. degree of longitude away from deep debilitation point). Debilitated lords of dusthanas are good as they show less trouble on a mundane level. Debilitated planets connected to the Dhanabhava can give wealth especially if debilitated planet is receiving neecha-bhanga and is in strength in Navamsa (chart to see over all fortune). The reason is that debilitation means that the graha is in a difficult situation and can exert its strength to tackle that situation. Ofcourse this assumes that the graha has other strengths (see link 1 for Shadbala below). A debilitated planet if conjoins another friendly planet (but there is no neechabhanga as per definition) then the neecha graha may gain strength and the other graha may loose some strength in its presence. If a debilitated planet is also retrograde, it is regarded by some as akin to exaltation (but not exactly that) especially if that graha is in good terms with its dispositor. Similarly, a graha in exaltation but retrograde shows connotations of debilitation (but not exactly that). Debilitation of luminaries can show difficulty as their strengths are necessary to trigger Rajyogas.In this way, judgement should be made on exaltation and debilitation along with other factors of the chart, as just on its own this factor is not overly important. You may be interested to read the following two articles.1. http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2004/07/strength-of-planets-shadbala-i.html2. http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2004_06_25_varahamihira_archive.htmlBest Regards,Sourav==================================================================================sohamsa , "vadhris.rm" <vadhris@h...> wrote:>> Hi all learned ones:> > I have been keenly looking for some hints on when debilitation in a > chart (rasi and/or vargas) is actually helpful?> > I remember reading somewhere, I think sanjay's analysis on Dhirubhai > Ambani's chart, where he stated that debilitation helped in wiping > away enemies. > > I have my AK (sun) debilitated in 11th house, though gets > neechabhanga. Any pointers are greatly appreciated. thanks> > srinivas>

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Om Gurave Namah

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Srinivas,

In certain circumstances, a debilitated planet can elevate the native to

great heights or achievement and success. Conditions surrounding

this vary from one horoscope to the next, yet the following guidelines

should be noted as applicable in all cases:

1. If the debilitated planet is also retrograde, it will act as if

exalted. (The converse is true in the case of a retrograde and

exalted planet).

2. If the debilitated and retrograde planet occupies a kendra from

lagna, then it is capable of conferring Raja-yoga on the native. If

such a planet is lord of the lagna or of a trikona, involved with kendra

lords in similar positions, or conjoined one of the nodes, then a great

neechabhanga Raja-yoga is enjoyed by the native.

3. A poignant example of the above principle is found in the chart

of Michael Jordan, who is taken to be the greatest basketball player that

ever lived. I have attached the chart in .jhd format to this email

for those who have JHora software. Note in that chart that lagna

lord Mars is retrograde and debilitated, while joining the 4th house with

Rahu. This alone confers Raja-yoga, yet it is also in mutual aspect

to 10th lord Saturn who is in Swaksetra. So in his case, birth in a

poor family in the inner city of Brooklyn, NY, were the humble beginnings

from which he rose to incredible fame and fortune as an athlete.

 

4. Jaimini also makes the statement: " Tasmin uche neeche

va, srimantah, " meaning that in the current age of Kali, both

exalted and debilitated planets make the person " Srimantah, " or

fortunate.

5. It may be of special advantage to one with the Atmakaraka planet

in debilitation, as the vexations and challenges of life lead to a type

of humility that enables him to surrender to God in the form of his

Ishta-devata all the more easily. For spiritual matters, an exalted

Atmakaraka represents a highly advanced soul, yet the strength due to

exaltation may incline him to " ahankara, " or the

over-evaluation of self-importance. This unreasonable manifestation

of false ego can be a serious impediment on the path of spiritual

advancement.

6. Along the same principles, for spiritual matters, it is often

found that several debilitated planets are positioned in the Vimsamsa

chart. This is consistently true in the charts of great gurus, such

as Srila Prabhupada and others. The reason is that the Vimsamsa

chart, by reduction of cycles of 12, equates to the number 8, or the 8th

house, and is one of three varga charts appropriated by Parasara to the

conscious mental plane, i.e. D-16. D-20, and D-24 (note

that the Ashtamsa, or 8th harmonic, is among varga charts representing

the physical plane, and therefore relates to birth, death, and disease of

the physical body). The 8th, apart from its relevance to the occult

and metaphysical areas, is the 12th from the 9th, or in other words the

house of sacrifice or renunciation on behalf of the guru. The more

the disciple renounces on his guru's behalf, then the more advanced on

the path of God-realization he is taken to be. So in essence,

debilitated planets in the Vimsamsa chart (D-20) show that the native

surrenders every possible aspect of the mundane karakatva of that planet

for the service of his guru.

7. Dharma, however, is the domain of the Navamsa as well as

Shastiamsa charts (D-9 and D-60 respectively). For dharma to be

strong therefore, the Atmakaraka and other planets should be well-placed

and strong in this charts, and not debilitated.

All these principles and more are discussed in my book with numerous

examples, for those who may want to pursue this subject further.

 

I hope this helps!

Best wishes,

Robert

At 11:10 AM 10/17/2005, you wrote:

Hi all learned ones:

I have been keenly looking for some hints on when debilitation in a

chart (rasi and/or vargas) is actually helpful?

I remember reading somewhere, I think sanjay's analysis on Dhirubhai

 

Ambani's chart, where he stated that debilitation helped in wiping

away enemies.

I have my AK (sun) debilitated in 11th house, though gets

neechabhanga. Any pointers are greatly appreciated. thanks

Srinivas

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

Faculty member, SJC and ACVA

Author, The Spiritual Dimensions of Vedic Astrology

visit:

 

http://www.robertkoch.com

Email: rk

Ph: 541.318.0248

 

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Michael Jordan was born in Wilmington, NC.

 

 

--- Robert Koch <rk wrote:

 

> Om Gurave Namah

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Dear Srinivas,

>

> In certain circumstances, a debilitated planet can

> elevate the native

> to great heights or achievement and success.

> Conditions surrounding

> this vary from one horoscope to the next, yet the

> following

> guidelines should be noted as applicable in all

> cases:

>

> 1. If the debilitated planet is also retrograde, it

> will act as if

> exalted. (The converse is true in the case of a

> retrograde and

> exalted planet).

>

> 2. If the debilitated and retrograde planet

> occupies a kendra from

> lagna, then it is capable of conferring Raja-yoga on

> the native. If

> such a planet is lord of the lagna or of a trikona,

> involved with

> kendra lords in similar positions, or conjoined one

> of the nodes,

> then a great neechabhanga Raja-yoga is enjoyed by

> the native.

>

> 3. A poignant example of the above principle is

> found in the chart

> of Michael Jordan, who is taken to be the greatest

> basketball player

> that ever lived. I have attached the chart in .jhd

> format to this

> email for those who have JHora software. Note in

> that chart that

> lagna lord Mars is retrograde and debilitated, while

> joining the 4th

> house with Rahu. This alone confers Raja-yoga, yet

> it is also in

> mutual aspect to 10th lord Saturn who is in

> Swaksetra. So in his

> case, birth in a poor family in the inner city of

> Brooklyn, NY, were

> the humble beginnings from which he rose to

> incredible fame and

> fortune as an athlete.

>

> 4. Jaimini also makes the statement: " Tasmin uche

> neeche va,

> srimantah, " meaning that in the current age of Kali,

> both exalted and

> debilitated planets make the person " Srimantah, " or

> fortunate.

>

> 5. It may be of special advantage to one with the

> Atmakaraka planet

> in debilitation, as the vexations and challenges of

> life lead to a

> type of humility that enables him to surrender to

> God in the form of

> his Ishta-devata all the more easily. For spiritual

> matters, an

> exalted Atmakaraka represents a highly advanced

> soul, yet the

> strength due to exaltation may incline him to

> " ahankara, " or the

> over-evaluation of self-importance. This

> unreasonable manifestation

> of false ego can be a serious impediment on the path

> of spiritual

> advancement.

>

> 6. Along the same principles, for spiritual

> matters, it is often

> found that several debilitated planets are

> positioned in the Vimsamsa

> chart. This is consistently true in the charts of

> great gurus, such

> as Srila Prabhupada and others. The reason is that

> the Vimsamsa

> chart, by reduction of cycles of 12, equates to the

> number 8, or the

> 8th house, and is one of three varga charts

> appropriated by Parasara

> to the conscious mental plane, i.e. D-16. D-20, and

> D-24 (note that

> the Ashtamsa, or 8th harmonic, is among varga charts

> representing the

> physical plane, and therefore relates to birth,

> death, and disease of

> the physical body). The 8th, apart from its

> relevance to the occult

> and metaphysical areas, is the 12th from the 9th, or

> in other words

> the house of sacrifice or renunciation on behalf of

> the guru. The

> more the disciple renounces on his guru's behalf,

> then the more

> advanced on the path of God-realization he is taken

> to be. So in

> essence, debilitated planets in the Vimsamsa chart

> (D-20) show that

> the native surrenders every possible aspect of the

> mundane karakatva

> of that planet for the service of his guru.

>

> 7. Dharma, however, is the domain of the Navamsa as

> well as

> Shastiamsa charts (D-9 and D-60 respectively). For

> dharma to be

> strong therefore, the Atmakaraka and other planets

> should be

> well-placed and strong in this charts, and not

> debilitated.

>

> All these principles and more are discussed in my

> book with numerous

> examples, for those who may want to pursue this

> subject further.

>

> I hope this helps!

>

> Best wishes,

> Robert

>

> At 11:10 AM 10/17/2005, you wrote:

> Hi all learned ones:

>

> I have been keenly looking for some hints on when

> debilitation in a

> chart (rasi and/or vargas) is actually helpful?

>

> I remember reading somewhere, I think sanjay's

> analysis on Dhirubhai

> Ambani's chart, where he stated that debilitation

> helped in wiping

> away enemies.

>

> I have my AK (sun) debilitated in 11th house, though

> gets

> neechabhanga. Any pointers are greatly appreciated.

> thanks

>

> Srinivas

>

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

> Faculty member, SJC and ACVA

> Author, The Spiritual Dimensions of Vedic Astrology

> visit: http://www.robertkoch.com

> Email: rk

> Ph: 541.318.0248 > 2

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> 1963

> 10.200000

> 5.000000

> 75.102500

> 42.206500

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> 5.000000

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> New^York,^USA

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