Guest guest Posted October 28, 2000 Report Share Posted October 28, 2000 My dear Solai, Brilliant! I am sure Gurudeva will be proud of you. You have covered a lot of distance on your own. Now you need Gurudeva's help to go the last mile!! You will get that when he thinks it is time. Wait until then. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2000 Report Share Posted October 28, 2000 Jai Jai Shri Jagannath!! Dear Solai, Very good analysis and thinking. Your understanding and knowledge is inspiring to new students like myself. I think, your understanding of this Hora definition is perfect. This definition is given in our GuruDeva's Jaimini Upadasa Sutras, as " Sri Jagannatha Hora " , under the heading " Hora Reckoning " on page 26. I am really happy for you that you came up with this logic on your own. Simply Superb! Pranaam, -Suresh. varahamihira , " Solai Kannan " <solai@t...> wrote: > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH > JAYA JAGANNATHA > > Pranam Gurudeva, > > **** Sarvam Krishnarpanamastu**** > > HORA CHART DEFINITION > > Gurudeva, I didn't want to probe this subject right now. I have a long way > to go into the Jyotish Ocean. But, when I was reading, BPHS, the following > hit my mind. So, I wanted to clarify this with you. My intention of this > mail is not to question or contradict the methods taught by many astrologers > so far. I just present this before you, what came to my mind and what I feel > is logical. > > INTRODUCTION > > I was reading Chapter 7, (The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign) of BPHS (GC > Sharma). When I read the definition for HORA divisional chart, sloka 5-6, > page 98, I noticed that nowhere it is mentioned that the resultant signs for > HORA CHART should be Cancer or Leo. It is only mentioned that for Odd rasi, > first half is ruled by Sun and second half is ruled by Moon. Reverse is for > Even rasi. It does not mean that it has to be Cancer or Leo. When sages went > in detail and divided the sign into 60 parts in Shastiamsa and assigned a > sign for each portion, I don't think, the very important and simple chart of > HORA will be limited to 'ONLY' 2 signs. It does not sound logical and > correct. > > So, there must be another understanding or meaning for the rulership of Sun > and Moon. > > SARAVALI RULERSHIP > > As per your lesson No.3, Bhoomandala, and as per sloka 9-10 (Page 16) of > Chapter 3 of Saravali (R.Santhanam), it is clear that the upper half of the > Zodiac starting from Aq. to Cn. is ruled by Moon, the lower half starting > from Le. to Cp. is ruled by Sun. > > I think, in the HORA CHART definition, this SARAVALI RULERSHIP should be > used to judge the resultant sign, instead of Leo and Cancer. > > (word by word extract of the above mentioned slokas of BPHS and Saravali are > given at the bottom of this mail) > > DEFINITIONS: > > All of us know the meaning of various terminology used in this mail. > However, words like, Hora, Moon half, Sun half etc., have different meanings > and these words are used here in different meaning, here. Hence, in order to > avoid confusion, I give below the definition of important words and > whenever, they are repeated in the mail, they bear the same meaning. > > 1. Sun Hora/ Moon Hora:- The first half of the Odd sign is ruled by Sun, the > second half is ruled by Moon. Reverse is for Even signs. So, all signs will > have one of their halves ruled by Sun and that half will be called as SUN > HORA. Their another half is ruled by Moon and that half will be called as > MOON HORA. > > 2. D-1 and D-2 charts:- Hereinafter in this mail, the Rasi chart and Hora > chart will be denoted as D-1 and D-2. > > 3. Uttarayana/ Dhakshnayana :- Zodiac is divided into two halves. The upper > half is ruled by Moon (Cn. Ge. Ta. Ar. Pi. Aq.) will be called hereinafter > as Uttarayana, instead of calling Moon's half or Lunar half. Similarly, the > lower half ruled by Sun (Le. Vi. Li. Sc. Sg. Cp.) will be called as > Dhakshnayana, instead of calling Sun's half or Lunar half. > > * * * * * > > D-2 CHART > > By applying, the SARAVALI RULERSHIP to the BPHS definition of D-2 chart, the > Sun Hora of a sign (half of the sign ruled by Sun) will have a place in > Dhakshnayana (Le. Vi. Li. Sc. Sg. Cp.). Moon Hora will have a place in > Uttarayana. For example, Ar. is the Odd sign. So, 1st half of Ar. is ruled > by Sun and this half will be called as Sun Hora of Ar. The second half is > ruled by Moon and this half will be called as Moon Hora of Ar. Now, the Sun > Hora will have a place in one of the 6 signs of Dhakshnayana and the Moon > Hora will have a place in one of the 6 signs of Uttarayana (i.e. Cn. Ge. Ta. > Ar. Pi. Aq.). > > So far it is clear and it is more or less in line with the definition of > BPHS. > > The next step is to find out the way or RULE to select the one sign among > these 6 signs. For this, two methods came to my mind. I am not convinced > with the first method. Whereas, the second method is more convincing. > > In both methods, the FIRST RULE is same. So, I will mention the FIRST RULE > here and then will discuss the two methods for the SECOND RULE. > > FIRST RULE: > > If a sign is in Dhakshnayana in D-1 and the Sun Hora of that sign will > occupy the same sign in D-2. Similarly, if a sign is in Uttarayana in D-1 > and planets placed in Moon Hora will occupy the same sign in D-2. For > example, Ta.is Even sign, first half is ruled by Moon, so this is the Moon > Hora of Ta. Ta. is one of the Uttarayana signs. So, any planet in the first > half of the Ta. Sign in D-1, will be placed in Ta. itself in D-2. > > SECOND RULE: > > The FIRST RULE is common for the both methods and tricky is the method to > find out D-2 sign for the Sun Hora of the Uttarayana signs and Moon Hora of > the Dhakshnayana signs. The SECOND RULE deals about this issue. > > Here, when the Ayana rulership and Hora rulership are different, we have to > move the sign to the other Ayana or other half of the Zodiac. For example, > Ar. is in Uttarayana, the first half of Ar. is Sun Hora, in this case, the > planets in this Sun Hora will be placed in one of the six signs of > Dhakshnayana in D-2 chart. > > When we have to move the sign from one Ayana to other Ayana, there must be a > *relation* between the original sign in D-1 and moved sign in D-2. As these > are two exact halves, I thought that the RELATIONSHIP between these two will > be " OPPOSITE " . This " OPPOSITE " relation can be in two ways. One is Mirror > opposite and other one is the exact opposite. Method 1 deals with Mirror > opposite and Method 2 deals with Exact opposite. > > Method 1:- > > First, I thought, we will consider the two halves as Mirror images. So, the > opposite of a sign will be its mirror image in the opposite half. For > example, the opposite of Cn. is Le. Other mirror opposite mutual signs are > [Ge.-Vi.], [Ta. - Li.], [Ar. - Sc.], [Pi. - Sg.], [Aq. - Cp.]. > > These mirror opposites have the homogeneity in their planetary rulership. I > thought of this method in the first, because, the first line of the BPHS > definitions reads as, " Rashi or sign which is owned by a planet is called > Kshetra or House.... " So, one of the signs ruled by Mars falls in Uttarayana > and other one falls in Dhakshnayana. This applies to all other signs and > other planetary rulership, except Cancer and Leo. > > So, the SECOND RULE of Method 1 is:- > > If a sign is in Uttarayana in D-1 and the Sun Hora of that sign will occupy > the mirror opposite of the sign in D-2. For example, Ge. is the Odd sign, > 1st Hora is ruled by Sun ( so we call this as Sun Hora). Ge. is in > Uttarayana (Lunar half). The Ayana and Hora rulership are not same. So, in > D-2 chart, this Sun Hora will occupy the mirror opposite sign of Ge. i.e. > Virgo. > > However, I am not fully satisfied with the reason for selecting the mirror > opposite method. > > Method 2:- > > In this method, when the Ayana and Hora rulership is different, in D-2 > chart, this Hora will occupy the exact opposite sign or the 7th sign from > the original D-1 sign. For example, Pi. is the Even sign, the second half is > ruled by Sun. But, Pi is in Uttarayana (Lunar half). Hence, in D-2 chart, > this Sun Hora will occupy Virgo ( 7th sign from Pi.). > > **Why should this sign be 7th from the original sign?** > > Argument 1:- > > I took the clue from the last part of the 5-6 sloka of BPHS. > > In a full day ( day and night), night is ruled by Moon and day by Sun. We > will divide the whole day into exact halves of day and night (assuming 6am > and 6pm are the sunrise and sunset). Further, we will divide each half by 12 > Horas. The 12 horas in day are denoting each Zodiac sign and similarly, 12 > Horas in the night are denoting the 12 signs. > > If we list the Horas and their corresponding Hora signs, it will be as > follows. ( The Hora can start from any sign. But, for the convenience of > understanding, I am starting from Ar.) { Please, do not confuse with this > listing with 'Hora' explained in our Hora lesson. It can or cannot be one > and same. But I am not referring this to that Hora} > > Daytime (Sun Hora)- Hora 1 - Hora sign Ar. > Daytime - Hora 2 - Ta. > Daytime - Hora 3 - Ge. > Daytime - Hora 4 - Cn. > Daytime - Hora 5 - Le. > Daytime - Hora 6 - Vi. > Daytime - Hora 7 - Li. > Daytime - Hora 8 - Sc. > Daytime - Hora 9 - Sg. > Daytime - Hora 10 - Cp. > Daytime - Hora 11 - Aq. > Daytime - Hora 12 - Pi. > > Nighttime (Moon Hora)- Hora 1 - Hora sign Ar. > Nighttime - Hora 2 - Ta. > Nighttime - Hora 3 - Ge. > Nighttime - Hora 4 - Cn. > Nighttime - Hora 5 - Le. > Nighttime - Hora 6 - Vi. > Nighttime - Hora 7 - Li. > Nighttime - Hora 8 - Sc. > Nighttime - Hora 9 - Sg. > Nighttime - Hora 10 - Cp. > Nighttime - Hora 11 - Aq. > Nighttime - Hora 12 - Pi. > > This is what I understood from the sloka that reads as " .... Half of the > Rashi or sign is called Hora. These are totally 24 . In these Horas the > signs Aries etc., are counted twice. " > > When sage Parasara, mentioned in the previous sentence that " Half of the > Rasi or sign is called Hora " , he need not mention in the following sentence > that " ...in these (24) horas, the signs Aries etc., are counted twice. " So, > I feel that the above mentioned list is the meaning for this last sentence. > > (Note: I don't know Snaskrit, my interpretation is purely based on the > English Translation given in the book. So, the real meaning can be different > from my interpretation) > > Assuming what I mentioned is correct, we will move forward. > > So, each sign has two hora one in day and another one in night. Hence, the > NightHora of a sign is placed 12 signs away from the DayHora of the same > sign. That is in the above list, the Night time Hora of Le. is placed > 12Horas away from Day time Hora of Le. In Zodiacal sense, it is placed in > the 7th sign. Because, they are at exactly opposite position. (12 Horas are > equal to 6 Rasis, adding 6 rasis to a sign the resultant rasi will be 7th > from the original rasi) > > Argument 2:- > > There is one more argument in favour of Method 2. > > Let us look at the calculation methods for D-3 and D-4 charts, (the charts > next after D-2 chart). > > In D-3; 1/3, 2/3, 3/3 portions of a sign are ruled by or occupy 1st, 5th and > 9th signs from the original sign. > > In D-4; 1/4, 2/4, 3/4, 4/4 portions of a sign are ruled by or occupy 1st, > 4th, 7th and 10th signs from the original sign. > > That means > For D-3, the order is trine 1-5-9-1 > For D-4, the order is angle 1-4-7-10-1 > > Similarly, for D-2 also, the order must be opposite 1-7-1. > > Hence, because of Arguments 1 & 2 , I prefer the Method 2 is more likely to > be applied for D-2. > > CONCLUSION > > This is only my thinking and what came to my mind and humbly submit this for > your consideration. If any real " meaning " is there in this mail, it will be > submitted to the Lotus feet of Shri Ragavendra. If there is no meaning, > forgive me for taking away your time. > > An example based on Method 2 is given below and the extract of the sloka are > also given below. > > Thanks > Your sisya > Solai Kannan > > " Sarvam Krishnarpanamastu " > > EXAMPLE: > > Date of Birth: November 21, 1964 > Time of Birth: 1:35:35 pm > Time Zone of Birth: 5:30 East of GMT > Longitude of Birth: 78 E 50 > Latitude of Birth: 9 N 23 > > Rasi Chart: D-1 > > Planet Position > Ascdt 25 Aq 36 > Sun 5 Sc 41 > Moon 29 Ta 07 > Mars 14 Le 20 > Mercury 25 Sc 09 > Jupiter ® 26 Ar 37 > Venus 2 Li 04 > Saturn 5 Aq 19 > Rahu 0 Ge 46 > Ketu 0 Sg 46 > > +----------------------+ > | | | | | > | | | | Rah | > | | JupR | | | > | | | Moo | | > | | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | Sat | | | > | | | | > | Asc | | | > | | D-1 | | > | | | | > |-------------| R A S I |-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | | | Mar | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | | > | | Sun | | | > | Ket | | Ven | | > | | Mer | | | > | | | | | > +----------------------+ > > > Hora Chart D-2 > > Ascdt 25 Aq 36 - 2nd half- MoonHora-Uttarayana- Aq in D-2 > Sun 5 Sc 41 - 1st half - Moon Hora-Dhakshnayana- Ta in D-2 > Moon 29 Ta 07 - 2nd half- SunHora-Uttarayana-Sc in D-2 > Mars 14 Le 20 - 1st half- SunHora-Dhakshnayana - Le in D-2 > Mercury 25 Sc 09 - 2nd half-Sun Hora-Dhakshnayana-Sc in D-2 > Jupiter ® 26 Ar 37 - 2nd half-Moon Hora-Uttarayana-Ar in D-2 > Venus 2 Li 04 - 1st half - SunHora - Dhakshnayana-Li in D-2 > Saturn 5 Aq 19 - 1st half - SunHora - Uttarayana - Le in D-2 > Rahu 0 Ge 46 - 1st half - SunHora - Uttarayana- Sg in D-2 > Ketu 0 Sg 46 - 1st half - SunHora - Dhakshnayana - Sg in D-2 > > +----------------------+ > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | JupR | Sun | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | Asc | | | > | | D-2 | | > | | | | > |-------------| H O R A |-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | | | Mar | > | | | Saturn | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | | > | Rah | Moon | | | > | Ket | | Ven | | > | | Mer | | | > | | | | | > +----------------------+ > > > * WORD BY WORD EXTRACT OF THE SLOKAS FROM BPHS AND SARAVALI * > > 1. BPHS - By Mr.GC Sharma - Chapter 7 - The Sixteen Divisions of a Sign - > Sloka - 5 & 6 (Page 98) > > " Rashi or sign which is owned by a planet is called Kshetra or House. The > first half of odd signs ( Ar. Ge. Le. Li. Sg. Aq.) or from 0 degree to 15 > degree, is the hora of the Sun, while the second half from 16 degree to 30 > degree is the hora of the Moon. The reverse is the case in even signs ( Ta. > Cn. Vi. Sc. Cp. Pi.). There the 1st half of a sign 0 degree - 15 degree is > ruled by the Moon, while the second half 16 degree - 30 degree by the Sun. > The lords of the Hora of the Moon are the pitraganas and those of the Sun > are Devas. Half of the Rashi or sign is called Hora. These are totally 24 > (The no. of Hora in 12 signs is 24). In these Horas the signs Aries etc., > are counted twice. " > > 2. Saravali - Mr.R.Santhanam - Chapter 3 - Sloka - 9 & 10 (Page 16) > > " Zodiacal Halves, their Lords and effects. The Rasi Chakra with 12 Rasis is > called Bhagana. Six signs counted from Leo to Capricorn consist of Solar > Half and Sun rules this. Six signs in the reverse order from Cancer to > Aquarius is Lunar Half and ruled by the Moon. Barring Cancer and Leo, > planets from Mars to Saturn get one Rasi each in each Half as above. " > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA HARE RAMA KRISHNA HARE RAMA KRISHNA HARE RAMA KRISHNA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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