Thoughts on shad-darsanas (Mercury and Jupiter)

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Pranaam Sanjay,

JAYA JAGANNATH

Dear Narasimha,

Shows perfect understanding. You got it right.

FINAL LIST:-

Mimamsa (Both)-Mercury

Nyaya-Mars

Vaiseshika-Venus

Saankhya-Moon

Vedanta-Jupiter

Yoga-Saturn

(1) What you call "Vedanta" is referred to by some scholars as "Uttara

Mimamsa" or "Brahma Mimamsa".

Jaimini is supposed to be the author of "Poorva Mimamsa" or "Karma Mimamsa".

But uttara mimamsa was authored by Veda Vyasa. You are referring to the

*same thing* when you use the word "Vedanta".

I am referring to "(Both)" that you wrote above. Only karma mimamsa

is ruled by Mercury. Brahma mimamsa of Veda Vyasa (also called Vedanta

by some - including you it seems) is ruled by Deva Guru.

(2) I wasn't sure of whether Vaiseshika (Mayavadi siddhanta) was ruled

by Venus or Moon. I switched Venus and Moon between Vaiseshika and Saankhya

a few times before sending the mail!

(3) The above are not necessarily the "ways leading to salvation" as

you said. I thought your original question was about karma yoga, bhakti

yoga, jnaana yoga etc, because you used the expression "ways leading to

salvation". Those yogas are the ways leading to salvation.

The above six darsanas listed by you are merely

six

different hypotheses/theories explaining the existence of this universe.

They are not different paths to salvation.

(4) You wrote sometime back, in response to my statement that Mercury

is the planet of logic and reasoning:

> I am aware that Mercury rules Mimamsa which

is

> definitely not logic. The latter is under Nyaya.

Do you mean by the above that Mercury does not rule logic? Do you suggest

that Mars who rules Nyaya rules logic by saying "the

latter (logic) is under Nyaya"?

If so, I must disagree. Nyaya is merely a branch of philosophy that

resorts to "logic and reasoning" to explain why this universe exists. If

Nyaya branch of philosophy is ruled by Mars, it does not mean that logic

and reasoning are ruled by Mars. Nyaya is a specific application of logic.

The general use of logic and reasoning belong to tarka saastra (and not

Nyaaya - Nyaaya is merely an application of tarka to philosophy) and Mercury

clearly rules tarka ("tarka saastra visaaraadaha").

Let me give an analogy. Mercury and Ketu rule Mathematics. Mars may

signify engineering. Engineering is a branch of knowledge that uses mathematics.

Use of mathematics in engineering (of Mars) doesn't make Mars the ruler

of mathematics.

Similarly Mercury is the ruler of tarka (logic and reasoning) and it

is used in Nyaaya, ruled by Mars.

So Mercury IS the planet of logic and reasoning, though Mars rules Nyaaya

which is very logical.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Your sishya,

Narasimha

 

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JAYA JAGANNATHDear Narasimha,

Pointwise replies to your analysis:

1. I think I had agreed with that Uttara Mimamsa point, but used the terminology that is easier to differentiate (Vedanta). We are saying the same thing out there. You were NOT WRONG, but have the typical Mercurial trait of fluctuation (that is why you gave both the options for Saankhya and Vaiseshika) which you end very abruptly as it is placed in a Martian sign in your chart. The level of reasoning is very high due to the DharmaKarmadhipati Yoga (It gives the highest level of Understanding and Reason). You can get a list of the other Mahapurusha who were born in this Yoga from BPHS and other texts. (An open question here: Do the Mahapurusha Yoga need to be strengthened with the ninth and fourth lord in addition to the Sun and Moon?)

2. The Mayan or Maya's people always worshipped Venus and would plan their war strategy when venus would be sighted as the Morning Star (Fact of History). Strange, but it is a hard fact of life that Asura Guru Venus is the Chief Propounder of the Mayavadi Vaisheshika. Similarly, the Moon rules Saankhya Shastra.

3. Is it so Narasimha? Think for a minute. Where does this Universe end? Where does it start? Why was it created and by Whom? Is there a link between understanding Godhead and the limits to our intelligence? It is from the "Darshanas" that we get the "Dristi" of different roads that lead to Him. For example, Vedanta shows the path of Gyaana Yoga, Saankhya leads to Karma yoga as can be clearly seen in the Srimad Bhagavat Gita where, Bhagavan Sri Krishna uses this foundation to urge Arjuna to become a Karma Yogi. Kapila's Saankhya Shastra is at a basic level and its final level of development is in the Gita.

4. Each of these Darshana have a foundation or hypothesis which is typical of the nature of the planet. I will use the example of Nyaya which is under discussion. Let us see how Mars rules LOGIC.

After the Pandavas and Kauravas had finished their studies and were presented in the court to Dhritarashtra, Vidura put them to a test. Four persons, a Brahmana, a Kshatriya, a Vaishya and a Sudra had got together and murdered a man. The young princes were asked to advise the King on the punishment to be given. The Kauravas were dumb struck but Duryodhana came out with his LOGIC of EQUALITY (which, unfortunately, has become the foundation stone of modern-day Judicial systems! What else can we expect in this Kali Yuga) and declared that since the motive was the same of all the four and thier crime was the same, hence the punishment should also be the same. Finally Dharmaraja Putra Yudhisthira gave the perfect answer: Merely beacuse the motive or the extent of crime was the same, we cannot say that the punishment should be the same. (The Sudra is completely unaware and ignorant of social norms and his knowledge is at the rock bottom. Do we punish an animal for killing another?) Hence, he deserves compassion and should be forgiven. The Vaishya does know more, but is deep in Tamas and should be punished with a heavy fine. The Rajasik Kshatriya was supposed to control his passion and needs to be imprisoned in order to learn to control himself. But the all knowledgable Brahmana deserves the death sentence.

What Duryadhana was preaching is the foundation of Nyaya Shastra or Logic that is typical of Mars. All the modern day revolutions like the French revolution are a typical example of the poor people (Saturn/Capricorn) coming under the influence of Mars. These are normally very violent and a lot of bloodshed and wanton killing follows. Nyaya is supposed to be established!!! We cannot attribute this to the peaceful Mercury that preaches Ahimsa. India is the first modern day nation that has achieved its independance by following this path of Ahimsa under the leadership of Mahatma Gandhi. Unfortunately, the post 1945 developments show that the effect of Kali Yuga was to be felt in this sub-continent also and bloodshed occured during the partition and the resultant is a typical Western Judicail system that is struggling to fit into the Indian way of life. One thing I am proud of is that here also India showed that the path of Dharma is much higher than the path of Nyaya and for Nyaya (Mars) to become relevant as a means of salvation, it cannot be divorced from Dharma (Sun). Hanumanji(Mars) had no strength and was defeated by Bali and hiding in the jungles till He met Sri Ram (Sun).

Thus, we can infer that Mercury has a mush higher power of reasoning than that of Mars, but does not rule the FIERY knowledge of NYAYA (LOGIC) which is primarily the forte of Mars. Logic does not necessarily imply reasoning or being reasonable. Logic says "a cat has four legs and a Dog has four legs and hence a Cat is the same as a Dog". The reasoning of Mercury rejects this as being "UNREASONED DECISION". In fact a reasonable person is one who also compromises with the situation and takes a balanced view of things. Thus a reasonable person finds it most naive to get into a fight and is also the best businessman (Mercury). Logic always works under a limited scope whereas Reasoning has an open door policy and does not accept any limits. That is why a Logical Mars can arrive at quick decisions (Seemingly! as these are generally very bounded like 2 Plus 2 equals four) while a Reasonable Mercury is viewed as fluctuating as he continues to reason in greated depth.

The two highest gifts of the DHI SHAKTI to Human beings are (1) THE POWER TO UNDERSTAND and (2) THE POWER TO REASON. These are ruled by Jupiter and Mercury respectively called VEERYAKOTI PRINCIPLE in Jyotish ( I hope I have got this name right..please check Brihat Jataka of Varahamihira). Further, we can also argue that understanding or reasoning is also application of Logic, but this is not true in the strictest sense. These require a much higher level of intelligence and intuition as well as a much greater depth of vision than what is envisaged under LOGIC.

Hare KrishnaSanjay Rath

P.S.

1. Narasimha, can we also work towards understanding the Saankhya Shastra on the basis of Jyotish. This will be the culmination of our discussion on the Mahapurusha Yoga.

2. Narayana, I hope to see your contribution on this.

 

-

Narasimha Rao

varahamihira

Saturday, October 02, 1999 11:12 PM

Re: Thoughts on shad-darsanas (Mercury and Jupiter)

Pranaam Sanjay, JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Narasimha, Shows perfect understanding. You got it right. FINAL LIST:- Mimamsa (Both)-Mercury Nyaya-Mars Vaiseshika-Venus Saankhya-Moon Vedanta-Jupiter Yoga-Saturn(1) What you call "Vedanta" is referred to by some scholars as "Uttara Mimamsa" or "Brahma Mimamsa". Jaimini is supposed to be the author of "Poorva Mimamsa" or "Karma Mimamsa". But uttara mimamsa was authored by Veda Vyasa. You are referring to the *same thing* when you use the word "Vedanta". I am referring to "(Both)" that you wrote above. Only karma mimamsa is ruled by Mercury. Brahma mimamsa of Veda Vyasa (also called Vedanta by some - including you it seems) is ruled by Deva Guru. (2) I wasn't sure of whether Vaiseshika (Mayavadi siddhanta) was ruled by Venus or Moon. I switched Venus and Moon between Vaiseshika and Saankhya a few times before sending the mail! (3) The above are not necessarily the "ways leading to salvation" as you said. I thought your original question was about karma yoga, bhakti yoga, jnaana yoga etc, because you used the expression "ways leading to salvation". Those yogas are the ways leading to salvation. The above six darsanas listed by you are merely six different hypotheses/theories explaining the existence of this universe. They are not different paths to salvation. (4) You wrote sometime back, in response to my statement that Mercury is the planet of logic and reasoning: > I am aware that Mercury rules Mimamsa which is > definitely not logic. The latter is under Nyaya. Do you mean by the above that Mercury does not rule logic? Do you suggest that Mars who rules Nyaya rules logic by saying "the latter (logic) is under Nyaya"? If so, I must disagree. Nyaya is merely a branch of philosophy that resorts to "logic and reasoning" to explain why this universe exists. If Nyaya branch of philosophy is ruled by Mars, it does not mean that logic and reasoning are ruled by Mars. Nyaya is a specific application of logic. The general use of logic and reasoning belong to tarka saastra (and not Nyaaya - Nyaaya is merely an application of tarka to philosophy) and Mercury clearly rules tarka ("tarka saastra visaaraadaha"). Let me give an analogy. Mercury and Ketu rule Mathematics. Mars may signify engineering. Engineering is a branch of knowledge that uses mathematics. Use of mathematics in engineering (of Mars) doesn't make Mars the ruler of mathematics. Similarly Mercury is the ruler of tarka (logic and reasoning) and it is used in Nyaaya, ruled by Mars. So Mercury IS the planet of logic and reasoning, though Mars rules Nyaaya which is very logical. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Your sishya, Narasimha

 

 

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Here are my thoughts, based on what little I know.

 

" sanjay rath " <varahamihir- wrote:

original article:varahamihira/?start=372

> JAYA JAGANNATH

> Dear Narasimha,

> Pointwise replies to your analysis:

> 1. I think I had agreed with that Uttara Mimamsa point, but used

the

> terminology that is easier to differentiate (Vedanta). We are saying

the

> same thing out there. You were NOT WRONG, but have the typical

Mercurial

> trait of fluctuation (that is why you gave both the options for

Saankhya and

> Vaiseshika) which you end very abruptly as it is placed in a Martian

sign in

> your chart. The level of reasoning is very high due to the

> DharmaKarmadhipati Yoga (It gives the highest level of Understanding

and

> Reason). You can get a list of the other Mahapurusha who were born in

this

> Yoga from BPHS and other texts. (An open question here: Do the

Mahapurusha

> Yoga need to be strengthened with the ninth and fourth lord in

addition to

> the Sun and Moon?)

> 2. The Mayan or Maya's people always worshipped Venus and would

plan

> their war strategy when venus would be sighted as the Morning Star

(Fact of

> History). Strange, but it is a hard fact of life that Asura Guru

Venus is

> the Chief Propounder of the Mayavadi Vaisheshika. Similarly, the Moon

rules

> Saankhya Shastra.

> 3. Is it so Narasimha? Think for a minute. Where does this

Universe end?

> Where does it start? Why was it created and by Whom? Is there a link

between

> understanding Godhead and the limits to our intelligence? It is from

the

> " Darshanas " that we get the " Dristi " of different roads that lead to

Him.

> For example, Vedanta shows the path of Gyaana Yoga, Saankhya leads to

Karma

> yoga as can be clearly seen in the Srimad Bhagavat Gita where,

Bhagavan Sri

> Krishna uses this foundation to urge Arjuna to become a Karma Yogi.

> Kapila's Saankhya Shastra is at a basic level and its final level of

> development is in the Gita.

> 4. Each of these Darshana have a foundation or hypothesis which is

> typical of the nature of the planet. I will use the example of Nyaya

which

> is under discussion. Let us see how Mars rules LOGIC.

> After the Pandavas and Kauravas had finished their studies and

were

> presented in the court to Dhritarashtra, Vidura put them to a test.

Four

> persons, a Brahmana, a Kshatriya, a Vaishya and a Sudra had got

together and

> murdered a man. The young princes were asked to advise the King on the

> punishment to be given. The Kauravas were dumb struck but Duryodhana

came

> out with his LOGIC of EQUALITY (which, unfortunately, has become the

> foundation stone of modern-day Judicial systems! What else can we

expect in

> this Kali Yuga) and declared that since the motive was the same of

all the

> four and thier crime was the same, hence the punishment should also

be the

> same. Finally Dharmaraja Putra Yudhisthira gave the perfect answer:

Merely

> beacuse the motive or the extent of crime was the same, we cannot say

that

> the punishment should be the same. (The Sudra is completely unaware

and

> ignorant of social norms and his knowledge is at the rock bottom. Do

we

> punish an animal for killing another?) Hence, he deserves compassion

and

> should be forgiven. The Vaishya does know more, but is deep in Tamas

and

> should be punished with a heavy fine. The Rajasik Kshatriya was

supposed to

> control his passion and needs to be imprisoned in order to learn to

control

> himself. But the all knowledgable Brahmana deserves the death

sentence.

> What Duryadhana was preaching is the foundation of Nyaya Shastra

or

> Logic that is typical of Mars. All the modern day revolutions like the

> French revolution are a typical example of the poor people

> (Saturn/Capricorn) coming under the influence of Mars. These are

normally

> very violent and a lot of bloodshed and wanton killing follows. Nyaya

is

> supposed to be established!!! We cannot attribute this to the peaceful

> Mercury that preaches Ahimsa. India is the first modern day nation

that has

> achieved its independance by following this path of Ahimsa under the

> leadership of Mahatma Gandhi. Unfortunately, the post 1945

developments show

> that the effect of Kali Yuga was to be felt in this sub-continent

also and

> bloodshed occured during the partition and the resultant is a typical

> Western Judicail system that is struggling to fit into the Indian way

of

> life. One thing I am proud of is that here also India showed that the

path

> of Dharma is much higher than the path of Nyaya and for Nyaya (Mars)

to

> become relevant as a means of salvation, it cannot be divorced from

Dharma

> (Sun). Hanumanji(Mars) had no strength and was defeated by Bali and

hiding

> in the jungles till He met Sri Ram (Sun).

 

The logic used by Duryodhana was not a considered opinion. It was

impulsive and he must not have taken all relevant data into account

which is typical of Mars. IF I am not mistaken, Duryodhana must either

have a weak Mercury or that his Mars must have a strong influence on

Mercury.

 

But Mercury Still rules intellect.

By definition in Oxford Dictionary Logic is the Science of Reasoning.

 

> Thus, we can infer that Mercury has a mush higher power of

reasoning

> than that of Mars, but does not rule the FIERY knowledge of NYAYA

(LOGIC)

> which is primarily the forte of Mars. Logic does not necessarily imply

> reasoning or being reasonable.

 

Mars adds fire/spirit to the intellect provided by Mercury. But

domination of Mars is bad.

 

> Logic says " a cat has four legs and a Dog has

> four legs and hence a Cat is the same as a Dog " .

 

In this example, all the relevant data is not provided, hence Mars,

impulsive that he is, will rush to conclusion.

 

Nowadays in KaliYuga, we have *entrepreuners* who are labelled as

risk-takers, who go for the kill, so to speak, do not do too much

thinking, *Just Do it* kind of policy, who are being admired for their

daringness, all these things are denoted by Mars.

 

 

>The reasoning of Mercury

> rejects this as being " UNREASONED DECISION " . In fact a reasonable

person is

> one who also compromises with the situation and takes a balanced view

of

> things. Thus a reasonable person finds it most naive to get into a

fight and

> is also the best businessman (Mercury). Logic always works under a

limited

> scope whereas Reasoning has an open door policy and does not accept

any

> limits. That is why a Logical Mars can arrive at quick decisions

(Seemingly!

> as these are generally very bounded like 2 Plus 2 equals four) while a

> Reasonable Mercury is viewed as fluctuating as he continues to reason

in

> greated depth.

 

 

> The two highest gifts of the DHI SHAKTI to Human beings are (1)

THE

> POWER TO UNDERSTAND and (2) THE POWER TO REASON. These are ruled by

Jupiter

> and Mercury respectively called VEERYAKOTI PRINCIPLE in Jyotish ( I

hope I

> have got this name right..please check Brihat Jataka of Varahamihira).

> Further, we can also argue that understanding or reasoning is also

> application of Logic, but this is not true in the strictest sense.

These

> require a much higher level of intelligence and intuition as well as

a much

> greater depth of vision than what is envisaged under LOGIC.

 

The difference I see between Jupiter & Mercury is that Jupiter provides

us with *awareness* & much deeper understanding than Mercury.

 

For example with our intellect( logic etc ) which is represented by

Mercury, we understand Philosophy(Geeta, Ramayana ) about concepts like

ego and Vasanas etc. Many people read it and understand it.

 

But how many people understand it *emotionally*. There is a difference

between understanding a concept as an *idea*(Mercury) and understanding

as *facts* which means you truly see the fact of it. This factor

differentiates between ordinary people & Mahatmas.

 

 

> Hare Krishna

> Sanjay Rath

> P.S.

> 1. Narasimha, can we also work towards understanding the Saankhya

Shastra on

> the basis of Jyotish. This will be the culmination of our discussion

on the

> Mahapurusha Yoga.

> 2. Narayana, I hope to see your contribution on this.

 

Just my 2 cents.

 

Regards

Narayan

 

> -

> Narasimha Rao

> varahamihira

> Saturday, October 02, 1999 11:12 PM

> Re: Thoughts on shad-darsanas (Mercury and

> Jupiter)

>

>

> Pranaam Sanjay,

> JAYA JAGANNATH

> Dear Narasimha,

> Shows perfect understanding. You got it right.

> FINAL LIST:-

> Mimamsa (Both)-Mercury

> Nyaya-Mars

> Vaiseshika-Venus

> Saankhya-Moon

> Vedanta-Jupiter

> Yoga-Saturn

> (1) What you call " Vedanta " is referred to by some scholars as

" Uttara

> Mimamsa " or " Brahma Mimamsa " .

> Jaimini is supposed to be the author of " Poorva Mimamsa " or " Karma

> Mimamsa " . But uttara mimamsa was authored by Veda Vyasa. You are

referring

> to the *same thing* when you use the word " Vedanta " .

>

> I am referring to " (Both) " that you wrote above. Only karma mimamsa

is

> ruled by Mercury. Brahma mimamsa of Veda Vyasa (also called Vedanta by

> some - including you it seems) is ruled by Deva Guru.

>

> (2) I wasn't sure of whether Vaiseshika (Mayavadi siddhanta) was

ruled by

> Venus or Moon. I switched Venus and Moon between Vaiseshika and

Saankhya a

> few times before sending the mail!

>

> (3) The above are not necessarily the " ways leading to salvation "

as you

> said. I thought your original question was about karma yoga, bhakti

yoga,

> jnaana yoga etc, because you used the expression " ways leading to

> salvation " . Those yogas are the ways leading to salvation.

>

> The above six darsanas listed by you are merely six different

> hypotheses/theories explaining the existence of this universe. They

are not

> different paths to salvation.

>

> (4) You wrote sometime back, in response to my statement that

Mercury is

> the planet of logic and reasoning:

>

> > I am aware that Mercury rules Mimamsa which is

> > definitely not logic. The latter is under Nyaya.

>

> Do you mean by the above that Mercury does not rule logic? Do you

suggest

> that Mars who rules Nyaya rules logic by saying " the latter (logic)

is under

> Nyaya " ?

>

> If so, I must disagree. Nyaya is merely a branch of philosophy that

> resorts to " logic and reasoning " to explain why this universe exists.

If

> Nyaya branch of philosophy is ruled by Mars, it does not mean that

logic and

> reasoning are ruled by Mars. Nyaya is a specific application of

logic. The

> general use of logic and reasoning belong to tarka saastra (and not

Nyaaya -

> Nyaaya is merely an application of tarka to philosophy) and Mercury

clearly

> rules tarka ( " tarka saastra visaaraadaha " ).

>

> Let me give an analogy. Mercury and Ketu rule Mathematics. Mars may

> signify engineering. Engineering is a branch of knowledge that uses

> mathematics. Use of mathematics in engineering (of Mars) doesn't make

Mars

> the ruler of mathematics.

>

> Similarly Mercury is the ruler of tarka (logic and reasoning) and

it is

> used in Nyaaya, ruled by Mars.

>

> So Mercury IS the planet of logic and reasoning, though Mars rules

Nyaaya

> which is very logical.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Your sishya,

> Narasimha

>

>

>

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JAYA JAGANNATH

Dear Narayana,

Very good points. Narasimha has also written in a similar vein. So, now

we are all agreeing to the differential between Jupiter and Mercury in

Understanding and Reasoning. However, the differential between Mercury and

Mars is still blurred in what constitutes LOGIC. Another point that seems to

have been clarified is the definition of intelligence as used in the english

language in that the TWO Planets Jupiter and Mercury constitute the superior

intelligence of Mankind as they rule the Power to understand and the power

to reason respectively. However, intelligence has the overlorship

(Praty-adhidevata) of Jupiter and the Lordship (Adhi Devata) of the Sun.

While you have given the definiton of LOGIC as scientific reasoning and

have also given the fine example of a dynamic enpreneur/ manager, the

arguments are inconclusive. LOGIC IS SCIENTIFIC REASONING ONLY. However,

reasoning is more than SCIENTIFIC REASONING and includes the scope of

UNSCIENTIFIC reasoning like that of an artist. Reasoning has MANAGEMENT as

its objective which includes LOGIC, sixth sense, aptitude and learned skills

as well. These other aspects are more important to Mercury. Something like

the Simonian decision-making model of bounded rationality. Thus, LOGIC is

BOUNDED RATIONALITY while MANAGEMENT in the higher levels is UNBOUNDED as

the businessman gropes in the darkness for more knowledge or more options

not explored earlier. Thus there results a serious difference in the minds

of MERCURY who keeps the MIND OPEN and that of MARS who keeps the MIND

CLOSED.

This is also seen in the professions related to the planets where

persons in the Army or police are required to get into action and not to

think whereas those in business or any form of learning have to keep

studying and groping in the dark for those pearls of wisdom.

 

Hare Krishna

Sanjay Rath

-

<narayaniyer

<varahamihira >

Tuesday, October 05, 1999 12:15 AM

Re: Thoughts on shad-darsanas (Mercury and Jupiter)

 

 

> Pranaams Sanjay, Narasimha, Members,

>

> Here are my thoughts, based on what little I know.

>

> " sanjay rath " <varahamihir- wrote:

> original article:varahamihira/?start=372

> > JAYA JAGANNATH

> > Dear Narasimha,

> > Pointwise replies to your analysis:

> > 1. I think I had agreed with that Uttara Mimamsa point, but used

> the

> > terminology that is easier to differentiate (Vedanta). We are saying

> the

> > same thing out there. You were NOT WRONG, but have the typical

> Mercurial

> > trait of fluctuation (that is why you gave both the options for

> Saankhya and

> > Vaiseshika) which you end very abruptly as it is placed in a Martian

> sign in

> > your chart. The level of reasoning is very high due to the

> > DharmaKarmadhipati Yoga (It gives the highest level of Understanding

> and

> > Reason). You can get a list of the other Mahapurusha who were born in

> this

> > Yoga from BPHS and other texts. (An open question here: Do the

> Mahapurusha

> > Yoga need to be strengthened with the ninth and fourth lord in

> addition to

> > the Sun and Moon?)

> > 2. The Mayan or Maya's people always worshipped Venus and would

> plan

> > their war strategy when venus would be sighted as the Morning Star

> (Fact of

> > History). Strange, but it is a hard fact of life that Asura Guru

> Venus is

> > the Chief Propounder of the Mayavadi Vaisheshika. Similarly, the Moon

> rules

> > Saankhya Shastra.

> > 3. Is it so Narasimha? Think for a minute. Where does this

> Universe end?

> > Where does it start? Why was it created and by Whom? Is there a link

> between

> > understanding Godhead and the limits to our intelligence? It is from

> the

> > " Darshanas " that we get the " Dristi " of different roads that lead to

> Him.

> > For example, Vedanta shows the path of Gyaana Yoga, Saankhya leads to

> Karma

> > yoga as can be clearly seen in the Srimad Bhagavat Gita where,

> Bhagavan Sri

> > Krishna uses this foundation to urge Arjuna to become a Karma Yogi.

> > Kapila's Saankhya Shastra is at a basic level and its final level of

> > development is in the Gita.

> > 4. Each of these Darshana have a foundation or hypothesis which is

> > typical of the nature of the planet. I will use the example of Nyaya

> which

> > is under discussion. Let us see how Mars rules LOGIC.

> > After the Pandavas and Kauravas had finished their studies and

> were

> > presented in the court to Dhritarashtra, Vidura put them to a test.

> Four

> > persons, a Brahmana, a Kshatriya, a Vaishya and a Sudra had got

> together and

> > murdered a man. The young princes were asked to advise the King on the

> > punishment to be given. The Kauravas were dumb struck but Duryodhana

> came

> > out with his LOGIC of EQUALITY (which, unfortunately, has become the

> > foundation stone of modern-day Judicial systems! What else can we

> expect in

> > this Kali Yuga) and declared that since the motive was the same of

> all the

> > four and thier crime was the same, hence the punishment should also

> be the

> > same. Finally Dharmaraja Putra Yudhisthira gave the perfect answer:

> Merely

> > beacuse the motive or the extent of crime was the same, we cannot say

> that

> > the punishment should be the same. (The Sudra is completely unaware

> and

> > ignorant of social norms and his knowledge is at the rock bottom. Do

> we

> > punish an animal for killing another?) Hence, he deserves compassion

> and

> > should be forgiven. The Vaishya does know more, but is deep in Tamas

> and

> > should be punished with a heavy fine. The Rajasik Kshatriya was

> supposed to

> > control his passion and needs to be imprisoned in order to learn to

> control

> > himself. But the all knowledgable Brahmana deserves the death

> sentence.

> > What Duryadhana was preaching is the foundation of Nyaya Shastra

> or

> > Logic that is typical of Mars. All the modern day revolutions like the

> > French revolution are a typical example of the poor people

> > (Saturn/Capricorn) coming under the influence of Mars. These are

> normally

> > very violent and a lot of bloodshed and wanton killing follows. Nyaya

> is

> > supposed to be established!!! We cannot attribute this to the peaceful

> > Mercury that preaches Ahimsa. India is the first modern day nation

> that has

> > achieved its independance by following this path of Ahimsa under the

> > leadership of Mahatma Gandhi. Unfortunately, the post 1945

> developments show

> > that the effect of Kali Yuga was to be felt in this sub-continent

> also and

> > bloodshed occured during the partition and the resultant is a typical

> > Western Judicail system that is struggling to fit into the Indian way

> of

> > life. One thing I am proud of is that here also India showed that the

> path

> > of Dharma is much higher than the path of Nyaya and for Nyaya (Mars)

> to

> > become relevant as a means of salvation, it cannot be divorced from

> Dharma

> > (Sun). Hanumanji(Mars) had no strength and was defeated by Bali and

> hiding

> > in the jungles till He met Sri Ram (Sun).

>

> The logic used by Duryodhana was not a considered opinion. It was

> impulsive and he must not have taken all relevant data into account

> which is typical of Mars. IF I am not mistaken, Duryodhana must either

> have a weak Mercury or that his Mars must have a strong influence on

> Mercury.

>

> But Mercury Still rules intellect.

> By definition in Oxford Dictionary Logic is the Science of Reasoning.

>

> > Thus, we can infer that Mercury has a mush higher power of

> reasoning

> > than that of Mars, but does not rule the FIERY knowledge of NYAYA

> (LOGIC)

> > which is primarily the forte of Mars. Logic does not necessarily imply

> > reasoning or being reasonable.

>

> Mars adds fire/spirit to the intellect provided by Mercury. But

> domination of Mars is bad.

>

> > Logic says " a cat has four legs and a Dog has

> > four legs and hence a Cat is the same as a Dog " .

>

> In this example, all the relevant data is not provided, hence Mars,

> impulsive that he is, will rush to conclusion.

>

> Nowadays in KaliYuga, we have *entrepreuners* who are labelled as

> risk-takers, who go for the kill, so to speak, do not do too much

> thinking, *Just Do it* kind of policy, who are being admired for their

> daringness, all these things are denoted by Mars.

>

>

> >The reasoning of Mercury

> > rejects this as being " UNREASONED DECISION " . In fact a reasonable

> person is

> > one who also compromises with the situation and takes a balanced view

> of

> > things. Thus a reasonable person finds it most naive to get into a

> fight and

> > is also the best businessman (Mercury). Logic always works under a

> limited

> > scope whereas Reasoning has an open door policy and does not accept

> any

> > limits. That is why a Logical Mars can arrive at quick decisions

> (Seemingly!

> > as these are generally very bounded like 2 Plus 2 equals four) while a

> > Reasonable Mercury is viewed as fluctuating as he continues to reason

> in

> > greated depth.

>

>

> > The two highest gifts of the DHI SHAKTI to Human beings are (1)

> THE

> > POWER TO UNDERSTAND and (2) THE POWER TO REASON. These are ruled by

> Jupiter

> > and Mercury respectively called VEERYAKOTI PRINCIPLE in Jyotish ( I

> hope I

> > have got this name right..please check Brihat Jataka of Varahamihira).

> > Further, we can also argue that understanding or reasoning is also

> > application of Logic, but this is not true in the strictest sense.

> These

> > require a much higher level of intelligence and intuition as well as

> a much

> > greater depth of vision than what is envisaged under LOGIC.

>

> The difference I see between Jupiter & Mercury is that Jupiter provides

> us with *awareness* & much deeper understanding than Mercury.

>

> For example with our intellect( logic etc ) which is represented by

> Mercury, we understand Philosophy(Geeta, Ramayana ) about concepts like

> ego and Vasanas etc. Many people read it and understand it.

>

> But how many people understand it *emotionally*. There is a difference

> between understanding a concept as an *idea*(Mercury) and understanding

> as *facts* which means you truly see the fact of it. This factor

> differentiates between ordinary people & Mahatmas.

>

>

> > Hare Krishna

> > Sanjay Rath

> > P.S.

> > 1. Narasimha, can we also work towards understanding the Saankhya

> Shastra on

> > the basis of Jyotish. This will be the culmination of our discussion

> on the

> > Mahapurusha Yoga.

> > 2. Narayana, I hope to see your contribution on this.

>

> Just my 2 cents.

>

> Regards

> Narayan