Guest guest Posted January 21, 2001 Report Share Posted January 21, 2001 Srinathadi guru ganapatim Vande gurur mandalam Tasmi srigurave namah Namaste, Would any of the lists' guru's care to comment on the use of Tatpara (or smallest unit of time measurement = to 1/33750th of one second or 0.000029629 second)....is this the definition of a " moment " ? Since Jyotish is the timing of events for Muhurtha and Prasna, how does one utilize this measurement? Frank In Austin * fschmidt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2001 Report Share Posted January 27, 2001 Dear Frank, It is the period of " Cognisance " of the mind, or its ability to differentiate one " moment " from another if I can use that word. Tatpara is the smallest time hand in a digital clock in the mind. Actually moment is a very broad term and in Sanskrit time is better defined by various units. Kshana would be a better translation for moment. With Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - " Frank in Austin " <fschmidt <varahamihira > Monday, January 22, 2001 3:40 AM [sri Guru] Use of Tatpara > Srinathadi guru ganapatim > Vande gurur mandalam > Tasmi srigurave namah > > > Namaste, > Would any of the lists' guru's care to comment on the use of > Tatpara (or smallest unit of time measurement = to 1/33750th of one second > or 0.000029629 second)....is this the definition of a " moment " ? > > Since Jyotish is the timing of events for Muhurtha and Prasna, how does one > utilize this measurement? > > > Frank In Austin > * fschmidt > > > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2001 Report Share Posted January 27, 2001 Srinathadi guru ganapatim Vande gurur mandalam Tasmi srigurave namah Namaste Sanjay ( et.al) first , thanks for adding insight on tatpal and the concept of " moment " and Kshana. If in fact tatpara or tatpal is the smallest discernable time how then does truti ( or unfathomable period) then manifest? This is of great interest to the Joytish field, due to timing being of high import in charts and the ability of the Jyotishi to discriminate time and intent. Any thoughts here? pramans, Frank In Austin * fschmidt Sanjay Rath [srath] Friday, January 26, 2001 9:32 PM varahamihira Re: [sri Guru] Use of Tatpara Dear Frank, It is the period of " Cognisance " of the mind, or its ability to differentiate one " moment " from another if I can use that word. Tatpara is the smallest time hand in a digital clock in the mind. Actually moment is a very broad term and in Sanskrit time is better defined by various units. Kshana would be a better translation for moment. With Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - " Frank in Austin " <fschmidt <varahamihira > Monday, January 22, 2001 3:40 AM [sri Guru] Use of Tatpara > Srinathadi guru ganapatim > Vande gurur mandalam > Tasmi srigurave namah > > > Namaste, > Would any of the lists' guru's care to comment on the use of > Tatpara (or smallest unit of time measurement = to 1/33750th of one second > or 0.000029629 second)....is this the definition of a " moment " ? > > Since Jyotish is the timing of events for Muhurtha and Prasna, how does one > utilize this measurement? > > > Frank In Austin > * fschmidt > > > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > OM TAT SAT Archive: varahamihira Info: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Dear Frank, To understand Truti, we need to understand the concept of relativity. We human beings always see things with Human eyes and relativity helps us to see beyond. Time as a " relative concept " has been used in the Manu Smriti extensively. First we find how a God was punished and He was put to sleep and during his sleep, he manifested as a Human being and passed through tremendous hardhsip and pain and finally, he died and the dream ended. He woke up to realise that he was sleeping and dreaming. This is the concept behind " a day in the life of the gods is a year in human life " or an even more relative concept of a day being equal to a Human life of 120 years (Drekkana concept). Unless we ponder over these concepts, the divisional charts will always continue to elude us. Coming to Truti, the events occuring within a tatpala are so very sookshma/minute/tiny that their " Tatparya " (meaning/wisdom) is beyond the ability of the Human mind. Tatpal, Tatpara and Tatparya are related concepts and words. Mathematically, we can make various smaller divisions of Tatpal and fact remains that these exist and add up to make the tapal, yet they cannot be discerned by the mind. This is the limitation of the normal human mind. That is why Truti is always beyond the mind and is an unfathomable depth. These depths can be touched when one meditates and reaches the Para level where the mind loses its limitations and sheds its shackles, where we forget our existence since existence of the self is discerned by the mind during a Tatpal, so when in meditation we actually completely get lost or cease to realise the independant existence, then the mind has actually fathomed the unfathomable depths. The simplest and surest way to achieve this is to keep repeating the name of the Ista Devata. Here, I have Mercury in the 12th from Karakamsa and Parasara teaches that Vishnu is the deity. So, keep reciting this name of God, loudly, slowly and then mentally and finally we lose consciousness of the self and reach the Para levels... With Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - " Frank in Austin " <fschmidt <varahamihira > Sunday, January 28, 2001 1:04 AM RE: [sri Guru] Use of Tatpara > Srinathadi guru ganapatim > Vande gurur mandalam > Tasmi srigurave namah > Namaste Sanjay ( et.al) > first , thanks for adding insight on tatpal and the concept of " moment " and > Kshana. > If in fact tatpara or tatpal is the smallest discernable time how then > does truti ( or unfathomable period) then manifest? This is of great > interest to the Joytish > field, due to timing being of high import in charts and the ability of the > Jyotishi to > discriminate time and intent. > > Any thoughts here? > > pramans, > Frank In Austin > * fschmidt > > > > > Sanjay Rath [srath] > Friday, January 26, 2001 9:32 PM > varahamihira > Re: [sri Guru] Use of Tatpara > > > Dear Frank, > It is the period of " Cognisance " of the mind, or its ability to > differentiate one " moment " from another if I can use that word. Tatpara is > the smallest time hand in a digital clock in the mind. Actually moment is a > very broad term and in Sanskrit time is better defined by various units. > Kshana would be a better translation for moment. > With Best Wishes > Sanjay Rath > - > " Frank in Austin " <fschmidt > <varahamihira > > Monday, January 22, 2001 3:40 AM > [sri Guru] Use of Tatpara > > > > Srinathadi guru ganapatim > > Vande gurur mandalam > > Tasmi srigurave namah > > > > > > Namaste, > > Would any of the lists' guru's care to comment on the use of > > Tatpara (or smallest unit of time measurement = to 1/33750th of one > second > > or 0.000029629 second)....is this the definition of a " moment " ? > > > > Since Jyotish is the timing of events for Muhurtha and Prasna, how does > one > > utilize this measurement? > > > > > > Frank In Austin > > * fschmidt > > > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > > Archive: varahamihira > > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > > > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Namaste Sanjay, thank you for your response...another layer of knowledge has been formed. Pranams, Frank In Austin * fschmidt Sanjay Rath [srath] Saturday, January 27, 2001 11:15 PM varahamihira Re: [sri Guru] Use of Tatpara Dear Frank, To understand Truti, we need to understand the concept of relativity. We human beings always see things with Human eyes and relativity helps us to see beyond. Time as a " relative concept " has been used in the Manu Smriti extensively. First we find how a God was punished and He was put to sleep and during his sleep, he manifested as a Human being and passed through tremendous hardhsip and pain and finally, he died and the dream ended. He woke up to realise that he was sleeping and dreaming. This is the concept behind " a day in the life of the gods is a year in human life " or an even more relative concept of a day being equal to a Human life of 120 years (Drekkana concept). Unless we ponder over these concepts, the divisional charts will always continue to elude us. Coming to Truti, the events occuring within a tatpala are so very sookshma/minute/tiny that their " Tatparya " (meaning/wisdom) is beyond the ability of the Human mind. Tatpal, Tatpara and Tatparya are related concepts and words. Mathematically, we can make various smaller divisions of Tatpal and fact remains that these exist and add up to make the tapal, yet they cannot be discerned by the mind. This is the limitation of the normal human mind. That is why Truti is always beyond the mind and is an unfathomable depth. These depths can be touched when one meditates and reaches the Para level where the mind loses its limitations and sheds its shackles, where we forget our existence since existence of the self is discerned by the mind during a Tatpal, so when in meditation we actually completely get lost or cease to realise the independant existence, then the mind has actually fathomed the unfathomable depths. The simplest and surest way to achieve this is to keep repeating the name of the Ista Devata. Here, I have Mercury in the 12th from Karakamsa and Parasara teaches that Vishnu is the deity. So, keep reciting this name of God, loudly, slowly and then mentally and finally we lose consciousness of the self and reach the Para levels... With Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - " Frank in Austin " <fschmidt <varahamihira > Sunday, January 28, 2001 1:04 AM RE: [sri Guru] Use of Tatpara > Srinathadi guru ganapatim > Vande gurur mandalam > Tasmi srigurave namah > Namaste Sanjay ( et.al) > first , thanks for adding insight on tatpal and the concept of " moment " and > Kshana. > If in fact tatpara or tatpal is the smallest discernable time how then > does truti ( or unfathomable period) then manifest? This is of great > interest to the Joytish > field, due to timing being of high import in charts and the ability of the > Jyotishi to > discriminate time and intent. > > Any thoughts here? > > pramans, > Frank In Austin > * fschmidt > > > > > Sanjay Rath [srath] > Friday, January 26, 2001 9:32 PM > varahamihira > Re: [sri Guru] Use of Tatpara > > > Dear Frank, > It is the period of " Cognisance " of the mind, or its ability to > differentiate one " moment " from another if I can use that word. Tatpara is > the smallest time hand in a digital clock in the mind. Actually moment is a > very broad term and in Sanskrit time is better defined by various units. > Kshana would be a better translation for moment. > With Best Wishes > Sanjay Rath > - > " Frank in Austin " <fschmidt > <varahamihira > > Monday, January 22, 2001 3:40 AM > [sri Guru] Use of Tatpara > > > > Srinathadi guru ganapatim > > Vande gurur mandalam > > Tasmi srigurave namah > > > > > > Namaste, > > Would any of the lists' guru's care to comment on the use of > > Tatpara (or smallest unit of time measurement = to 1/33750th of one > second > > or 0.000029629 second)....is this the definition of a " moment " ? > > > > Since Jyotish is the timing of events for Muhurtha and Prasna, how does > one > > utilize this measurement? > > > > > > Frank In Austin > > * fschmidt > > > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > > Archive: varahamihira > > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > > > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > OM TAT SAT Archive: varahamihira Info: varahamihira/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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