Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Aavesh and list, Ouch, there I go again with this Bhumi! It should be prithvi. Big difference between those two words. J Love, Swee On Behalf Of Swee Chan Saturday, June 11, 2005 11:35 PM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry (Swee) Jaya Jagannatha Dear Aavesh, Namaste No there is no mix up, though I need to correct that Bhumi is ruled by Mercury (wonder what made me think of Mars….even my Guru’s hair will straighten if he finds this stupid mistake K). If you’ve learnt yours with your Guru, you may share it with us and we can do the comparisons.J The answer to your question is 2 pronged J You asked about the mound of Surya (which incidentally, Jala means watery element) Beginning with the mounds, the first below the Index finger is the mound of Jupiter, the mound below the middle finger is Saturn, then ring finger is Surya and then Bhudha. The signs on the ring finger beginning from the tip is Dhanus, Mesha is the middle phalange and the last phalange closest to the mound is Simha itself. This ring finger itself is Bhumi – Mercury. The line placed across the through put from the mound of the Moon through to Mercury indicates the line of intuition. This is the Jala finger (water element). The finger of Surya especially with a line or an asterisk on the mound itself indicates fame. Surya is the natural atma, if one has a spatulate fingertip, it indicates someone who stands out in a crowd and famed for his/her individualistic or unique spiritual views. Perhaps this person will create a new religion or a new spiritual movement or the person is some spiritual crusader. The energy flowing in from this finger is closest to the little finger and the outflow is the one closest to the finger of Saturn (which incidentally is also the outflow for the finger of Saturn). The inflow of Jupiter’s finger (index) is the one closest to the thumb. Hence, you get to strong inflow of energies flowing from the index finger and the ring finger. Though both are natural enemies, Jupiter cannot do without Mercury’s intelligence. The inflow of both these energies will touch the middle part of the Vayu line (life line). The spaces in between the fingers are considered as akash element, indicating that talents will fully manifest. The longer middle phalange on Jupiter’s finger, makes one overly ambitious, while the prominent segment closest to the mound of Jupiter makes one bossy over people. They just want to be class president over everybody causing one to be rather egotistical. If the tip of the Surya finger is pointed, it indicates the Jala element. You will find that people with this particular finger tip is rather intuitive and psychic. They generally have a strong inner faith in everything spiritual. Their pastimes will be devotional and of love and connection with Devas/Devis and their devotees. Hope this is clearer now?? Love, Swee On Behalf Of aavesh_s Saturday, June 11, 2005 1:04 PM [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry (Swee) Dear Swee, Thanks for your quick & detailed response. There seems to be a slight mixup in the order which you mentioned.I am giving the order which is the generally accepted one in Mudras: The thumb represents Agni -CORRECT Index finger -AKASH-GURU Middle finger - VAYU - SHANI Ring Finger - JALA - SURYA Little finger - BHUMI-BUDHA As you can see that all the fingers correspond to the mounts under them & the elements of the respective planets (like Budha has the Tattwa of Bhumi etc).The only confusion is in the ring finger which is the finger of the Sun (where we wear the ruby) but as per Mudra Vigyan this is supposed to rule Jala Tattwa,hence my question Regarding Gyan Mudra it is the linking of the index finger which rules Akash Tatwa with the thumb this increases DHI SHAKTI & is also helpful in controlling the ego I will continue if you are interested in more info on Mudras Regards, aavesh -- In , " Swee Chan " <swee@c...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Aavesh, > Namaste > > I am giving you what I have learnt and it is a recollection from many years, > so please bear with me :-) > The thumb represents Agni - Sun > Index finger - Vayu - Saturn > Middle finger - Akaash - Jupiter > Ring Finger - Bhumi - Mars > Little finger - Jala - Venus > > For meditation, connect Agni with Vayu - simply touch the tip of the Thumb > with the tip of the Index finger. The Agni and Vayu elements compliment one > another which helps in mental concentration and increases brain power, helps > in insomnia too. The two nadis that are connected are the fontanelles or the > top part of the head. These also run through from the Big Toe (spinal > column) and the 2nd toe (cold) balancing the hot and the cold, causing the > equilibrium of the agni (sexual organs), running through the body past the > heart nadi to the top part of the brain. > > The Vayu Mudra - bend your Index finger and bend the finger down with the > base of the Thumb at the mount of Venus - this can also help with > Parkinson's disease etc. > > The question you raised is the ring finger which is ruled by Bhumi (Earth) - > The connection of the Thumb (Fire) with the Ring finger (Earth) is called > the Bhumi Mudra which cures weaknesses of the body and mind. > > I don't know if this is what you are asking? But I will finish off with the > Ganesh Mudra which involves the Middle finger (Akash), the Ring Finger > (Bhumi) connecting with the Thumb (Agni). > > My pranapada lagna (in rasi) is in Capricorn, hence I am comfortable > offering Vayu Mudra when I do my prayers/meditation, though other mantras > require other mudras to be performed, the two main ones I use are the Vayu > and Gyana Mudras. > > Love, > Swee > _____ > > [sJC- Africa ] On > Behalf Of aavesh_s > Saturday, June 11, 2005 10:13 AM > > [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry > > Dear Swee & group, > > Though this group is not discussing palmistry,would like to post a > doubt regarding Mudras: > > As per Mudra Vigyan the ring finger is said to rule the Jala Tatwa > whreas in palmistry the ring finger is the finger of the sun (which > rules Pitta) > > Could someone please help me understand this pls > > Thanks & regards, > > aavesh > > > > > _____ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Shri Brahmadaru Smarami, Dera Swee, Thanks! Thats valuable knowledge. So are we saying that when a person wears a ring on the index finger, it amounts to Jupiter being in Scorpio and sets in motion that kind of energy? The Martian energy provides the leadership aspects? Regards, Sarbani On Behalf Of Swee ChanSunday, June 12, 2005 3:05 AM Subject: RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry (Swee) Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sarbani, Namaste The finger of Jupiter enjoys leadership qualities even if it is to the expense of everyone else. It can make the person over confident. I have witnessed many failed marriages where the lady wears a gemstone on her Index finger and never listens to any feedback from her husband or with friends. They become so over confident, they tend to order their friends of husband about. This is especially so when that particular segment is the most prominent. The tip of the index finger is Meena, the middle phalange is Cancer where Jupiter exalts and the segment closest to the mound of Jupiter is Scorpio. Love, Swee On Behalf Of Sarbani SarkarSaturday, June 11, 2005 4:01 PM Subject: RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry (Swee) Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Rama, I too have heard the same. They say wear it on the tarjani if it is power that you are seeking! Sarbani On Behalf Of Ramapriya DSaturday, June 11, 2005 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry (Swee) Dear Ramesh, I dislike deviating from the original thread's intent, but permit me just this once. Yellow sapphire should be worn on the right-hand ring finger instead of the forefinger. I remember reading somewhere (possibly in VRA before I gave it to a father-son pair of astrologers J) that although the index finger, as the mount at its base, represents Jupiter, the yellow sapphire is best worn on the ring finger, possibly because the index finger is also representative of tarjani, the threatener. Since tarjani shows a subjugative posture, the ego flames tend to get fanned, an obviously undesirable side-effect. Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 6/11/05, Ramesh Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam BruyatDear Swee,Same question. Doesn't Index finger represent Guru (Pukhraj is worn in there) and Middle stand for Saturn (Blue sapphire is recommended there) ?loveRamesh OnBehalf Of aavesh_sSaturday, June 11, 2005 7:04 AM Subject: [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry (Swee)Dear Swee,Thanks for your quick & detailed response.There seems to be a slight mixup in the order which you mentioned.Iam giving the order which is the generally accepted one in Mudras:The thumb represents Agni -CORRECTIndex finger -AKASH-GURUMiddle finger - VAYU - SHANIRing Finger - JALA - SURYALittle finger - BHUMI-BUDHAAs you can see that all the fingers correspond to the mounts under them & the elements of the respective planets (like Budha has theTattwa of Bhumi etc).The only confusion is in the ring finger whichis the finger of the Sun (where we wear the ruby) but as per MudraVigyan this is supposed to rule Jala Tattwa,hence my question Regarding Gyan Mudra it is the linking of the index finger whichrules Akash Tatwa with the thumb this increases DHI SHAKTI & isalso helpful in controlling the egoI will continue if you are interested in more info on Mudras Regards,aavesh-- In , "Swee Chan" < swee@c...> wrote:> Jaya Jagannatha>> Dear Aavesh,> Namaste>> I am giving you what I have learnt and it is a recollection frommany years,> so please bear with me :-)> The thumb represents Agni - Sun> Index finger - Vayu - Saturn> Middle finger - Akaash - Jupiter> Ring Finger - Bhumi - Mars> Little finger - Jala - Venus>> For meditation, connect Agni with Vayu - simply touch the tip of the Thumb> with the tip of the Index finger. The Agni and Vayu elementscompliment one> another which helps in mental concentration and increases brainpower, helps> in insomnia too. The two nadis that are connected are the fontanelles or the> top part of the head. These also run through from the Big Toe(spinal> column) and the 2nd toe (cold) balancing the hot and the cold,causing the> equilibrium of the agni (sexual organs), running through the body past the> heart nadi to the top part of the brain.>> The Vayu Mudra - bend your Index finger and bend the finger downwith the> base of the Thumb at the mount of Venus - this can also help with > Parkinson's disease etc.>> The question you raised is the ring finger which is ruled by Bhumi(Earth) -> The connection of the Thumb (Fire) with the Ring finger (Earth) iscalled> the Bhumi Mudra which cures weaknesses of the body and mind. >> I don't know if this is what you are asking? But I will finish offwith the> Ganesh Mudra which involves the Middle finger (Akash), the RingFinger> (Bhumi) connecting with the Thumb (Agni). >> My pranapada lagna (in rasi) is in Capricorn, hence I amcomfortable> offering Vayu Mudra when I do my prayers/meditation, though othermantras> require other mudras to be performed, the two main ones I use are the Vayu> and Gyana Mudras.>> Love,> Swee> _____>> On> Behalf Of aavesh_s> Saturday, June 11, 2005 10:13 AM> > [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry>> Dear Swee & group,>> Though this group is not discussing palmistry,would like to post a> doubt regarding Mudras: >> As per Mudra Vigyan the ring finger is said to rule the Jala Tatwa> whreas in palmistry the ring finger is the finger of the sun(which> rules Pitta)>> Could someone please help me understand this pls >> Thanks & regards,>> aavesh>>>>> _____>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sarbani, Namaste The finger of Jupiter contains the energies of power, authority and leadership. To wear a ring on that finger gives prominence to bossiness and the person will not like it when told by others what to do. The Scorpion qualities of haughtiness can come to the fore that’s for sure. Jupiter being a sattvic planet likes to relate to sattvic knowledge and perform sattvic duties. Because of this, Jupiter does not like to connect with anything that has a sexual connotation. A clear indication that shows this, are the small lines that shows the person’s spiritual path on the Jupiter mound. The firmer the lines or a single firm line definitely indicates ones past life’s true devotion with Mahavishnu and not the super power in a definite form. People with a rounded finger tip (the Vayu/Air finger tip) finds importance in the philosophy behind the spiritual path. Reading scriptures, collecting knowledge and discovering wisdom of the sages is what the person enjoys most. They are most likely to see the connections between science and religion. Love, Swee On Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:50 AM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry (Swee) Shri Brahmadaru Smarami, Dera Swee, Thanks! Thats valuable knowledge. So are we saying that when a person wears a ring on the index finger, it amounts to Jupiter being in Scorpio and sets in motion that kind of energy? The Martian energy provides the leadership aspects? Regards, Sarbani On Behalf Of Swee Chan Sunday, June 12, 2005 3:05 AM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry (Swee) Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sarbani, Namaste The finger of Jupiter enjoys leadership qualities even if it is to the expense of everyone else. It can make the person over confident. I have witnessed many failed marriages where the lady wears a gemstone on her Index finger and never listens to any feedback from her husband or with friends. They become so over confident, they tend to order their friends of husband about. This is especially so when that particular segment is the most prominent. The tip of the index finger is Meena, the middle phalange is Cancer where Jupiter exalts and the segment closest to the mound of Jupiter is Scorpio. Love, Swee On Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:01 PM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry (Swee) Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Rama, I too have heard the same. They say wear it on the tarjani if it is power that you are seeking! Sarbani On Behalf Of Ramapriya D Saturday, June 11, 2005 7:20 PM Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry (Swee) Dear Ramesh, I dislike deviating from the original thread's intent, but permit me just this once. Yellow sapphire should be worn on the right-hand ring finger instead of the forefinger. I remember reading somewhere (possibly in VRA before I gave it to a father-son pair of astrologers J) that although the index finger, as the mount at its base, represents Jupiter, the yellow sapphire is best worn on the ring finger, possibly because the index finger is also representative of tarjani, the threatener. Since tarjani shows a subjugative posture, the ego flames tend to get fanned, an obviously undesirable side-effect. Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 6/11/05, Ramesh Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Swee, Same question. Doesn't Index finger represent Guru (Pukhraj is worn in there) and Middle stand for Saturn (Blue sapphire is recommended there) ? love Ramesh On Behalf Of aavesh_s Saturday, June 11, 2005 7:04 AM [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry (Swee) Dear Swee, Thanks for your quick & detailed response. There seems to be a slight mixup in the order which you mentioned.I am giving the order which is the generally accepted one in Mudras: The thumb represents Agni -CORRECT Index finger -AKASH-GURU Middle finger - VAYU - SHANI Ring Finger - JALA - SURYA Little finger - BHUMI-BUDHA As you can see that all the fingers correspond to the mounts under them & the elements of the respective planets (like Budha has the Tattwa of Bhumi etc).The only confusion is in the ring finger which is the finger of the Sun (where we wear the ruby) but as per Mudra Vigyan this is supposed to rule Jala Tattwa,hence my question Regarding Gyan Mudra it is the linking of the index finger which rules Akash Tatwa with the thumb this increases DHI SHAKTI & is also helpful in controlling the ego I will continue if you are interested in more info on Mudras Regards, aavesh -- In , " Swee Chan " < swee@c...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Aavesh, > Namaste > > I am giving you what I have learnt and it is a recollection from many years, > so please bear with me :-) > The thumb represents Agni - Sun > Index finger - Vayu - Saturn > Middle finger - Akaash - Jupiter > Ring Finger - Bhumi - Mars > Little finger - Jala - Venus > > For meditation, connect Agni with Vayu - simply touch the tip of the Thumb > with the tip of the Index finger. The Agni and Vayu elements compliment one > another which helps in mental concentration and increases brain power, helps > in insomnia too. The two nadis that are connected are the fontanelles or the > top part of the head. These also run through from the Big Toe (spinal > column) and the 2nd toe (cold) balancing the hot and the cold, causing the > equilibrium of the agni (sexual organs), running through the body past the > heart nadi to the top part of the brain. > > The Vayu Mudra - bend your Index finger and bend the finger down with the > base of the Thumb at the mount of Venus - this can also help with > Parkinson's disease etc. > > The question you raised is the ring finger which is ruled by Bhumi (Earth) - > The connection of the Thumb (Fire) with the Ring finger (Earth) is called > the Bhumi Mudra which cures weaknesses of the body and mind. > > I don't know if this is what you are asking? But I will finish off with the > Ganesh Mudra which involves the Middle finger (Akash), the Ring Finger > (Bhumi) connecting with the Thumb (Agni). > > My pranapada lagna (in rasi) is in Capricorn, hence I am comfortable > offering Vayu Mudra when I do my prayers/meditation, though other mantras > require other mudras to be performed, the two main ones I use are the Vayu > and Gyana Mudras. > > Love, > Swee > _____ > > [sJC- Africa ] On > Behalf Of aavesh_s > Saturday, June 11, 2005 10:13 AM > > [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry > > Dear Swee & group, > > Though this group is not discussing palmistry,would like to post a > doubt regarding Mudras: > > As per Mudra Vigyan the ring finger is said to rule the Jala Tatwa > whreas in palmistry the ring finger is the finger of the sun (which > rules Pitta) > > Could someone please help me understand this pls > > Thanks & regards, > > aavesh > > > > > _____ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Dear Swee, Thanks for this very interesting mail,which has given me a lot of food for thought Adding my comments/observations: (a)You probably confused Mangal with Bhumi Tatwa because it's name of Bhumi putra - nothing to worry these small confusions do take place sometimes .--)) (b)As per my understanding of the palm,the first phalange of the ring finger is Karka Rasi,the 2nd phalange Simha,the 3rd is Kanya Rasi (This is from the Lal Kitab-an ancient treatise which describes drawing the horoscope from the lines of the hand & also contains some very interesting facts on Grahas) Your explanation has cleared my doubt however I will write what I know about Mudras in a day or two (I am suffering from a bad cold right now which is making typing difficult) Thanks & Regards, aavesh , " Swee Chan " <swee@c...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Aavesh, > Namaste > > No there is no mix up, though I need to correct that Bhumi is ruled by > Mercury (wonder what made me think of Mars..even my Guru's hair will > straighten if he finds this stupid mistake :-|). If you've learnt yours with > your Guru, you may share it with us and we can do the comparisons.:-) > The answer to your question is 2 pronged :-) You asked about the mound of > Surya (which incidentally, Jala means watery element) > Beginning with the mounds, the first below the Index finger is the mound of > Jupiter, the mound below the middle finger is Saturn, then ring finger is > Surya and then Bhudha. > The signs on the ring finger beginning from the tip is Dhanus, Mesha is the > middle phalange and the last phalange closest to the mound is Simha itself. > This ring finger itself is Bhumi - Mercury. The line placed across the > through put from the mound of the Moon through to Mercury indicates the line > of intuition. This is the Jala finger (water element). > The finger of Surya especially with a line or an asterisk on the mound > itself indicates fame. Surya is the natural atma, if one has a spatulate > fingertip, it indicates someone who stands out in a crowd and famed for > his/her individualistic or unique spiritual views. Perhaps this person will > create a new religion or a new spiritual movement or the person is some > spiritual crusader. The energy flowing in from this finger is closest to the > little finger and the outflow is the one closest to the finger of Saturn > (which incidentally is also the outflow for the finger of Saturn). The > inflow of Jupiter's finger (index) is the one closest to the thumb. Hence, > you get to strong inflow of energies flowing from the index finger and the > ring finger. > Though both are natural enemies, Jupiter cannot do without Mercury's > intelligence. The inflow of both these energies will touch the middle part > of the Vayu line (life line). The spaces in between the fingers are > considered as akash element, indicating that talents will fully manifest. > The longer middle phalange on Jupiter's finger, makes one overly ambitious, > while the prominent segment closest to the mound of Jupiter makes one bossy > over people. They just want to be class president over everybody causing one > to be rather egotistical. > If the tip of the Surya finger is pointed, it indicates the Jala element. > You will find that people with this particular finger tip is rather > intuitive and psychic. They generally have a strong inner faith in > everything spiritual. Their pastimes will be devotional and of love and > connection with Devas/Devis and their devotees. > > Hope this is clearer now?? > > Love, > Swee > > _____ > > [sJC- Africa ] On > Behalf Of aavesh_s > Saturday, June 11, 2005 1:04 PM > > [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry (Swee) > > Dear Swee, > > Thanks for your quick & detailed response. > > There seems to be a slight mixup in the order which you mentioned.I > am giving the order which is the generally accepted one in Mudras: > > The thumb represents Agni -CORRECT > Index finger -AKASH-GURU > Middle finger - VAYU - SHANI > Ring Finger - JALA - SURYA > Little finger - BHUMI-BUDHA > > As you can see that all the fingers correspond to the mounts under > them & the elements of the respective planets (like Budha has the > Tattwa of Bhumi etc).The only confusion is in the ring finger which > is the finger of the Sun (where we wear the ruby) but as per Mudra > Vigyan this is supposed to rule Jala Tattwa,hence my question > > Regarding Gyan Mudra it is the linking of the index finger which > rules Akash Tatwa with the thumb this increases DHI SHAKTI & is > also helpful in controlling the ego > > I will continue if you are interested in more info on Mudras > > Regards, > > aavesh > -- In , " Swee Chan " <swee@c...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > Namaste > > > > I am giving you what I have learnt and it is a recollection from > many years, > > so please bear with me :-) > > The thumb represents Agni - Sun > > Index finger - Vayu - Saturn > > Middle finger - Akaash - Jupiter > > Ring Finger - Bhumi - Mars > > Little finger - Jala - Venus > > > > For meditation, connect Agni with Vayu - simply touch the tip of > the Thumb > > with the tip of the Index finger. The Agni and Vayu elements > compliment one > > another which helps in mental concentration and increases brain > power, helps > > in insomnia too. The two nadis that are connected are the > fontanelles or the > > top part of the head. These also run through from the Big Toe > (spinal > > column) and the 2nd toe (cold) balancing the hot and the cold, > causing the > > equilibrium of the agni (sexual organs), running through the body > past the > > heart nadi to the top part of the brain. > > > > The Vayu Mudra - bend your Index finger and bend the finger down > with the > > base of the Thumb at the mount of Venus - this can also help with > > Parkinson's disease etc. > > > > The question you raised is the ring finger which is ruled by Bhumi > (Earth) - > > The connection of the Thumb (Fire) with the Ring finger (Earth) is > called > > the Bhumi Mudra which cures weaknesses of the body and mind. > > > > I don't know if this is what you are asking? But I will finish off > with the > > Ganesh Mudra which involves the Middle finger (Akash), the Ring > Finger > > (Bhumi) connecting with the Thumb (Agni). > > > > My pranapada lagna (in rasi) is in Capricorn, hence I am > comfortable > > offering Vayu Mudra when I do my prayers/meditation, though other > mantras > > require other mudras to be performed, the two main ones I use are > the Vayu > > and Gyana Mudras. > > > > Love, > > Swee > > _____ > > > > [sJC- > Africa ] On > > Behalf Of aavesh_s > > Saturday, June 11, 2005 10:13 AM > > > > [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry > > > > Dear Swee & group, > > > > Though this group is not discussing palmistry,would like to post a > > doubt regarding Mudras: > > > > As per Mudra Vigyan the ring finger is said to rule the Jala Tatwa > > whreas in palmistry the ring finger is the finger of the sun > (which > > rules Pitta) > > > > Could someone please help me understand this pls > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Aavesh, Namaste According to my Guru, the Ring finger lords, Dhanus, Mesha and Simha (closest to the Surya mound). The tip of the Index finger is Meena. It acts as an antenna in our daily lives. This is why only the tip of this finger is assessed to ascertain the nature of the person. Ketu also rules this besides Guru. Kartaka cannot rule this, or else we will all be emotional zombies J Not to be biased, remedies in the Lal Kitab is based on one rasi. I have the book and my Guruji told me to throw it away. But seriously, do you think we should only be following remedies as taught from the Vedas? Your cold is a kapha condition and is ruled by the Moon. Moon is a satellite of our planet Earth and the human body, like the Earth, come in direct opposition with the Moon. The human body, like the tides rises during certain the 1st and the 3rd quarters of the tithes. These are the times best suited for fasting. Ekadashi is one of those days, so influenza or colds are very, very rare afflictions for me. The Moon is in my 3rd house in its own sign and both my younger siblings especially my sister, suffers from this condition on a monthly basis. Silicea can heal deep into the bones and bring out what is need for the excess body mucuous to discharge. Love, Swee On Behalf Of aavesh_s Monday, June 13, 2005 4:14 AM Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry (Swee) Dear Swee, Thanks for this very interesting mail,which has given me a lot of food for thought Adding my comments/observations: (a)You probably confused Mangal with Bhumi Tatwa because it's name of Bhumi putra - nothing to worry these small confusions do take place sometimes .--)) (b)As per my understanding of the palm,the first phalange of the ring finger is Karka Rasi,the 2nd phalange Simha,the 3rd is Kanya Rasi (This is from the Lal Kitab-an ancient treatise which describes drawing the horoscope from the lines of the hand & also contains some very interesting facts on Grahas) Your explanation has cleared my doubt however I will write what I know about Mudras in a day or two (I am suffering from a bad cold right now which is making typing difficult) Thanks & Regards, aavesh , " Swee Chan " <swee@c...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Aavesh, > Namaste > > No there is no mix up, though I need to correct that Bhumi is ruled by > Mercury (wonder what made me think of Mars..even my Guru's hair will > straighten if he finds this stupid mistake :-|). If you've learnt yours with > your Guru, you may share it with us and we can do the comparisons.:-) > The answer to your question is 2 pronged :-) You asked about the mound of > Surya (which incidentally, Jala means watery element) > Beginning with the mounds, the first below the Index finger is the mound of > Jupiter, the mound below the middle finger is Saturn, then ring finger is > Surya and then Bhudha. > The signs on the ring finger beginning from the tip is Dhanus, Mesha is the > middle phalange and the last phalange closest to the mound is Simha itself. > This ring finger itself is Bhumi - Mercury. The line placed across the > through put from the mound of the Moon through to Mercury indicates the line > of intuition. This is the Jala finger (water element). > The finger of Surya especially with a line or an asterisk on the mound > itself indicates fame. Surya is the natural atma, if one has a spatulate > fingertip, it indicates someone who stands out in a crowd and famed for > his/her individualistic or unique spiritual views. Perhaps this person will > create a new religion or a new spiritual movement or the person is some > spiritual crusader. The energy flowing in from this finger is closest to the > little finger and the outflow is the one closest to the finger of Saturn > (which incidentally is also the outflow for the finger of Saturn). The > inflow of Jupiter's finger (index) is the one closest to the thumb. Hence, > you get to strong inflow of energies flowing from the index finger and the > ring finger. > Though both are natural enemies, Jupiter cannot do without Mercury's > intelligence. The inflow of both these energies will touch the middle part > of the Vayu line (life line). The spaces in between the fingers are > considered as akash element, indicating that talents will fully manifest. > The longer middle phalange on Jupiter's finger, makes one overly ambitious, > while the prominent segment closest to the mound of Jupiter makes one bossy > over people. They just want to be class president over everybody causing one > to be rather egotistical. > If the tip of the Surya finger is pointed, it indicates the Jala element. > You will find that people with this particular finger tip is rather > intuitive and psychic. They generally have a strong inner faith in > everything spiritual. Their pastimes will be devotional and of love and > connection with Devas/Devis and their devotees. > > Hope this is clearer now?? > > Love, > Swee > > _____ > > [sJC- Africa ] On > Behalf Of aavesh_s > Saturday, June 11, 2005 1:04 PM > > [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry (Swee) > > Dear Swee, > > Thanks for your quick & detailed response. > > There seems to be a slight mixup in the order which you mentioned.I > am giving the order which is the generally accepted one in Mudras: > > The thumb represents Agni -CORRECT > Index finger -AKASH-GURU > Middle finger - VAYU - SHANI > Ring Finger - JALA - SURYA > Little finger - BHUMI-BUDHA > > As you can see that all the fingers correspond to the mounts under > them & the elements of the respective planets (like Budha has the > Tattwa of Bhumi etc).The only confusion is in the ring finger which > is the finger of the Sun (where we wear the ruby) but as per Mudra > Vigyan this is supposed to rule Jala Tattwa,hence my question > > Regarding Gyan Mudra it is the linking of the index finger which > rules Akash Tatwa with the thumb this increases DHI SHAKTI & is > also helpful in controlling the ego > > I will continue if you are interested in more info on Mudras > > Regards, > > aavesh > > > > > > > > -- In , " Swee Chan " <swee@c...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > Namaste > > > > I am giving you what I have learnt and it is a recollection from > many years, > > so please bear with me :-) > > The thumb represents Agni - Sun > > Index finger - Vayu - Saturn > > Middle finger - Akaash - Jupiter > > Ring Finger - Bhumi - Mars > > Little finger - Jala - Venus > > > > For meditation, connect Agni with Vayu - simply touch the tip of > the Thumb > > with the tip of the Index finger. The Agni and Vayu elements > compliment one > > another which helps in mental concentration and increases brain > power, helps > > in insomnia too. The two nadis that are connected are the > fontanelles or the > > top part of the head. These also run through from the Big Toe > (spinal > > column) and the 2nd toe (cold) balancing the hot and the cold, > causing the > > equilibrium of the agni (sexual organs), running through the body > past the > > heart nadi to the top part of the brain. > > > > The Vayu Mudra - bend your Index finger and bend the finger down > with the > > base of the Thumb at the mount of Venus - this can also help with > > Parkinson's disease etc. > > > > The question you raised is the ring finger which is ruled by Bhumi > (Earth) - > > The connection of the Thumb (Fire) with the Ring finger (Earth) is > called > > the Bhumi Mudra which cures weaknesses of the body and mind. > > > > I don't know if this is what you are asking? But I will finish off > with the > > Ganesh Mudra which involves the Middle finger (Akash), the Ring > Finger > > (Bhumi) connecting with the Thumb (Agni). > > > > My pranapada lagna (in rasi) is in Capricorn, hence I am > comfortable > > offering Vayu Mudra when I do my prayers/meditation, though other > mantras > > require other mudras to be performed, the two main ones I use are > the Vayu > > and Gyana Mudras. > > > > Love, > > Swee > > _____ > > > > [sJC- > Africa ] On > > Behalf Of aavesh_s > > Saturday, June 11, 2005 10:13 AM > > > > [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry > > > > Dear Swee & group, > > > > Though this group is not discussing palmistry,would like to post a > > doubt regarding Mudras: > > > > As per Mudra Vigyan the ring finger is said to rule the Jala Tatwa > > whreas in palmistry the ring finger is the finger of the sun > (which > > rules Pitta) > > > > Could someone please help me understand this pls > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Dear Swee, Nice to read your mail.You have a phenomenal knowledge of Jyotish in all it's facets which is evident from your mails My comments as under: According to my Guru, the Ring finger lords, Dhanus, Mesha and Simha (closest to the Surya mound). The tip of the Index finger is Meena. It acts as an antenna in our daily lives. This is why only the tip of this finger is assessed to ascertain the nature of the person. Ketu also rules this besides Guru. Kartaka cannot rule this, or else we will all be emotional zombies :-) Aavesh:You have misunderstood me.The tip of the ring finger is Karka Rasi whereas the tip of the index finger is Mesha Rasi as per the Lal Kitab (the 2nd phalange of index finger is Vrishaba & 3rd phalange is Mithuna) Not to be biased, remedies in the Lal Kitab is based on one rasi. I have the book and my Guruji told me to throw it away. But seriously, do you think we should only be following remedies as taught from the Vedas? Aavesh:This is one thing which I really appreciate (your ability to examine each point of view).There are a lot of misconceptions about the Lal Kitab which have come about owing to the nature of people who are practicing based on this method. In actual fact this is a complete system of Jyotish which is amazingly accurate (This is a set of 5 books which go into considerable details on various facets of Jyotish particularly Samudrika Shahastra).The remedies given in the Lal Kitab are very economical & easy to follow (The only problem is that they are not very long lasting).In addition the Lal Kitab has some intersting significations for planets e.g it allots Ketu to progeny (in particular male)which is quite accurate in my experience All in all the remedies mentioned in the Lal Kitab are not Tantric as is generally beieved and can be done with very little investment Vedic remedies are of course the best if one can invest the amount in the pujas etc > Your cold is a kapha condition and is ruled by the Moon. Moon is a satellite of our planet Earth and the human body, like the Earth, come in direct > opposition with the Moon. The human body, like the tides rises during > certain the 1st and the 3rd quarters of the tithes. These are the times best > suited for fasting. Ekadashi is one of those days, so influenza or colds are very, very rare afflictions for me. The Moon is in my 3rd house in its own > sign and both my younger siblings especially my sister, suffers from this > condition on a monthly basis. Silicea can heal deep into the bones and bring > out what is need for the excess body mucuous to discharge. Aavesh:Great explanation.In my case it is Shani in Neecha Rasi in 9th which I think brings about this cold (I used to have a serious sinus problem earlier which I have controlled with Ayurveda)but still the ocassional bout of cold persists Regards, aavesh > > > _____ > > [sJC- Africa ] On > Behalf Of aavesh_s > Monday, June 13, 2005 4:14 AM > > Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry (Swee) > > Dear Swee, > > Thanks for this very interesting mail,which has given me a lot of > food for thought > > Adding my comments/observations: > > (a)You probably confused Mangal with Bhumi Tatwa because it's name > of Bhumi putra - nothing to worry these small confusions do take > place sometimes .--)) > > (b)As per my understanding of the palm,the first phalange of the > ring finger is Karka Rasi,the 2nd phalange Simha,the 3rd is Kanya > Rasi (This is from the Lal Kitab-an ancient treatise which > describes drawing the horoscope from the lines of the hand & also > contains some very interesting facts on Grahas) > > Your explanation has cleared my doubt however > > I will write what I know about Mudras in a day or two (I am > suffering from a bad cold right now which is making typing difficult) > > Thanks & Regards, > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Swee Chan " <swee@c...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > Namaste > > > > No there is no mix up, though I need to correct that Bhumi is > ruled by > > Mercury (wonder what made me think of Mars..even my Guru's hair > will > > straighten if he finds this stupid mistake :-|). If you've learnt > yours with > > your Guru, you may share it with us and we can do the > comparisons.:-) > > The answer to your question is 2 pronged :-) You asked about the > mound of > > Surya (which incidentally, Jala means watery element) > > Beginning with the mounds, the first below the Index finger is the > mound of > > Jupiter, the mound below the middle finger is Saturn, then ring > finger is > > Surya and then Bhudha. > > The signs on the ring finger beginning from the tip is Dhanus, > Mesha is the > > middle phalange and the last phalange closest to the mound is > Simha itself. > > This ring finger itself is Bhumi - Mercury. The line placed across > the > > through put from the mound of the Moon through to Mercury > indicates the line > > of intuition. This is the Jala finger (water element). > > The finger of Surya especially with a line or an asterisk on the > mound > > itself indicates fame. Surya is the natural atma, if one has a > spatulate > > fingertip, it indicates someone who stands out in a crowd and > famed for > > his/her individualistic or unique spiritual views. Perhaps this > person will > > create a new religion or a new spiritual movement or the person is > some > > spiritual crusader. The energy flowing in from this finger is > closest to the > > little finger and the outflow is the one closest to the finger of > Saturn > > (which incidentally is also the outflow for the finger of Saturn). > The > > inflow of Jupiter's finger (index) is the one closest to the > thumb. Hence, > > you get to strong inflow of energies flowing from the index finger > and the > > ring finger. > > Though both are natural enemies, Jupiter cannot do without > Mercury's > > intelligence. The inflow of both these energies will touch the > middle part > > of the Vayu line (life line). The spaces in between the fingers are > > considered as akash element, indicating that talents will fully > manifest. > > The longer middle phalange on Jupiter's finger, makes one overly > ambitious, > > while the prominent segment closest to the mound of Jupiter makes > one bossy > > over people. They just want to be class president over everybody > causing one > > to be rather egotistical. > > If the tip of the Surya finger is pointed, it indicates the Jala > element. > > You will find that people with this particular finger tip is rather > > intuitive and psychic. They generally have a strong inner faith in > > everything spiritual. Their pastimes will be devotional and of > love and > > connection with Devas/Devis and their devotees. > > > > Hope this is clearer now?? > > > > Love, > > Swee > > > > _____ > > > > [sJC- > Africa ] On > > Behalf Of aavesh_s > > Saturday, June 11, 2005 1:04 PM > > > > [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry (Swee) > > > > Dear Swee, > > > > Thanks for your quick & detailed response. > > > > There seems to be a slight mixup in the order which you > mentioned.I > > am giving the order which is the generally accepted one in Mudras: > > > > The thumb represents Agni -CORRECT > > Index finger -AKASH-GURU > > Middle finger - VAYU - SHANI > > Ring Finger - JALA - SURYA > > Little finger - BHUMI-BUDHA > > > > As you can see that all the fingers correspond to the mounts under > > them & the elements of the respective planets (like Budha has the > > Tattwa of Bhumi etc).The only confusion is in the ring finger > which > > is the finger of the Sun (where we wear the ruby) but as per Mudra > > Vigyan this is supposed to rule Jala Tattwa,hence my question > > > > Regarding Gyan Mudra it is the linking of the index finger which > > rules Akash Tatwa with the thumb this increases DHI SHAKTI & is > > also helpful in controlling the ego > > > > I will continue if you are interested in more info on Mudras > > > > Regards, > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , " Swee Chan " <swee@c...> wrote: > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > Dear Aavesh, > > > Namaste > > > > > > I am giving you what I have learnt and it is a recollection from > > many years, > > > so please bear with me :-) > > > The thumb represents Agni - Sun > > > Index finger - Vayu - Saturn > > > Middle finger - Akaash - Jupiter > > > Ring Finger - Bhumi - Mars > > > Little finger - Jala - Venus > > > > > > For meditation, connect Agni with Vayu - simply touch the tip of > > the Thumb > > > with the tip of the Index finger. The Agni and Vayu elements > > compliment one > > > another which helps in mental concentration and increases brain > > power, helps > > > in insomnia too. The two nadis that are connected are the > > fontanelles or the > > > top part of the head. These also run through from the Big Toe > > (spinal > > > column) and the 2nd toe (cold) balancing the hot and the cold, > > causing the > > > equilibrium of the agni (sexual organs), running through the > body > > past the > > > heart nadi to the top part of the brain. > > > > > > The Vayu Mudra - bend your Index finger and bend the finger down > > with the > > > base of the Thumb at the mount of Venus - this can also help with > > > Parkinson's disease etc. > > > > > > The question you raised is the ring finger which is ruled by > Bhumi > > (Earth) - > > > The connection of the Thumb (Fire) with the Ring finger (Earth) > is > > called > > > the Bhumi Mudra which cures weaknesses of the body and mind. > > > > > > I don't know if this is what you are asking? But I will finish > off > > with the > > > Ganesh Mudra which involves the Middle finger (Akash), the Ring > > Finger > > > (Bhumi) connecting with the Thumb (Agni). > > > > > > My pranapada lagna (in rasi) is in Capricorn, hence I am > > comfortable > > > offering Vayu Mudra when I do my prayers/meditation, though > other > > mantras > > > require other mudras to be performed, the two main ones I use > are > > the Vayu > > > and Gyana Mudras. > > > > > > Love, > > > Swee > > > _____ > > > > > > [sJC- > > Africa ] On > > > Behalf Of aavesh_s > > > Saturday, June 11, 2005 10:13 AM > > > > > > [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry > > > > > > Dear Swee & group, > > > > > > Though this group is not discussing palmistry,would like to post > a > > > doubt regarding Mudras: > > > > > > As per Mudra Vigyan the ring finger is said to rule the Jala > Tatwa > > > whreas in palmistry the ring finger is the finger of the sun > > (which > > > rules Pitta) > > > > > > Could someone please help me understand this pls > > > > > > Thanks & regards, > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Ram, Thanks for writing about this. I must get down to reading VRA seriously. Regards Ramesh On Behalf Of Ramapriya DSaturday, June 11, 2005 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry (Swee) Dear Ramesh, I dislike deviating from the original thread's intent, but permit me just this once. Yellow sapphire should be worn on the right-hand ring finger instead of the forefinger. I remember reading somewhere (possibly in VRA before I gave it to a father-son pair of astrologers J) that although the index finger, as the mount at its base, represents Jupiter, the yellow sapphire is best worn on the ring finger, possibly because the index finger is also representative of tarjani, the threatener. Since tarjani shows a subjugative posture, the ego flames tend to get fanned, an obviously undesirable side-effect. Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 6/11/05, Ramesh Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam BruyatDear Swee,Same question. Doesn't Index finger represent Guru (Pukhraj is worn in there) and Middle stand for Saturn (Blue sapphire is recommended there) ?loveRamesh OnBehalf Of aavesh_sSaturday, June 11, 2005 7:04 AM Subject: [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry (Swee)Dear Swee,Thanks for your quick & detailed response.There seems to be a slight mixup in the order which you mentioned.Iam giving the order which is the generally accepted one in Mudras:The thumb represents Agni -CORRECTIndex finger -AKASH-GURUMiddle finger - VAYU - SHANIRing Finger - JALA - SURYALittle finger - BHUMI-BUDHAAs you can see that all the fingers correspond to the mounts under them & the elements of the respective planets (like Budha has theTattwa of Bhumi etc).The only confusion is in the ring finger whichis the finger of the Sun (where we wear the ruby) but as per MudraVigyan this is supposed to rule Jala Tattwa,hence my question Regarding Gyan Mudra it is the linking of the index finger whichrules Akash Tatwa with the thumb this increases DHI SHAKTI & isalso helpful in controlling the egoI will continue if you are interested in more info on Mudras Regards,aavesh-- In , "Swee Chan" < swee@c...> wrote:> Jaya Jagannatha>> Dear Aavesh,> Namaste>> I am giving you what I have learnt and it is a recollection frommany years,> so please bear with me :-)> The thumb represents Agni - Sun> Index finger - Vayu - Saturn> Middle finger - Akaash - Jupiter> Ring Finger - Bhumi - Mars> Little finger - Jala - Venus>> For meditation, connect Agni with Vayu - simply touch the tip of the Thumb> with the tip of the Index finger. The Agni and Vayu elementscompliment one> another which helps in mental concentration and increases brainpower, helps> in insomnia too. The two nadis that are connected are the fontanelles or the> top part of the head. These also run through from the Big Toe(spinal> column) and the 2nd toe (cold) balancing the hot and the cold,causing the> equilibrium of the agni (sexual organs), running through the body past the> heart nadi to the top part of the brain.>> The Vayu Mudra - bend your Index finger and bend the finger downwith the> base of the Thumb at the mount of Venus - this can also help with > Parkinson's disease etc.>> The question you raised is the ring finger which is ruled by Bhumi(Earth) -> The connection of the Thumb (Fire) with the Ring finger (Earth) iscalled> the Bhumi Mudra which cures weaknesses of the body and mind. >> I don't know if this is what you are asking? But I will finish offwith the> Ganesh Mudra which involves the Middle finger (Akash), the RingFinger> (Bhumi) connecting with the Thumb (Agni). >> My pranapada lagna (in rasi) is in Capricorn, hence I amcomfortable> offering Vayu Mudra when I do my prayers/meditation, though othermantras> require other mudras to be performed, the two main ones I use are the Vayu> and Gyana Mudras.>> Love,> Swee> _____>> On> Behalf Of aavesh_s> Saturday, June 11, 2005 10:13 AM> > [Jaya Jagannatha] Mudras & Palmistry>> Dear Swee & group,>> Though this group is not discussing palmistry,would like to post a> doubt regarding Mudras: >> As per Mudra Vigyan the ring finger is said to rule the Jala Tatwa> whreas in palmistry the ring finger is the finger of the sun(which> rules Pitta)>> Could someone please help me understand this pls >> Thanks & regards,>> aavesh>>>>> _____>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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