Guest guest Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Swee No the mantra cannot be changed like that as the original source is well documented and is the Oddisa Tantra With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * Swee Chan [swee] Saturday, June 04, 2005 2:01 AMSJCA; SJC[Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sarbani, Namaste <Just adding one or two fine tuning points to these discussions. In the first mantra, 'sarvarishtanashini', that is sarva + arishta+ nashini. Sarva is all; arishta is troubles, evils, nashini is one who destroys in the feminine gender, implying the invocations is to a female deity.> 'sarvarishtanashini' Shouldn’t it be “sarvarishtanashiniyai” ? Love, Swee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste Thank you. Now where can I get a copy of the Oddisa Tantra? Love, Swee On Behalf Of Sanjay Rath Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:03 AM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Jaya Jagannatha Dear Swee No the mantra cannot be changed like that as the original source is well documented and is the Oddisa Tantra With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * Swee Chan [swee] Saturday, June 04, 2005 2:01 AM SJCA; SJC [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sarbani, Namaste <Just adding one or two fine tuning points to these discussions. In the first mantra, 'sarvarishtanashini', that is sarva + arishta+ nashini. Sarva is all; arishta is troubles, evils, nashini is one who destroys in the feminine gender, implying the invocations is to a female deity.> 'sarvarishtanashini' Shouldn’t it be “sarvarishtanashiniyai” ? Love, Swee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Swee, I gave the explanation in the other email. Adding one more line: Sarvarishtanashini, Durgatinashini etc. is the noun or the name. It can also be an adjective. Grammatically, while addressing the deity in the mantra, it is written as Durgatinashinyai, Gauri becomes Gouryai, Durga becomes Durgayai, Narayan becomes Narayanaya, Krishna becomes Krishnaya, Shiva becomes Shivaya, Kalika becomes Kalike etc. The grammar rule changes according to the last vowel in the word and according to the gender as well. Many people make the mistake that her name is Durgatinashinyai or Kalike. It is not so. Her name is Durgatinashini and Kalika. Best Regards, Sarbani On Behalf Of Swee ChanSaturday, June 04, 2005 2:01 AMSJCA; SJC[Om Krishna Guru] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sarbani, Namaste <Just adding one or two fine tuning points to these discussions. In the first mantra, 'sarvarishtanashini', that is sarva + arishta+ nashini. Sarva is all; arishta is troubles, evils, nashini is one who destroys in the feminine gender, implying the invocations is to a female deity.> 'sarvarishtanashini' Shouldn’t it be “sarvarishtanashiniyai” ? Love, Swee ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 Dear Swee, Nobody like Sanjay to tell you about these matters, but I suspect he mentioned Orissa Tantra generically; not too sure there's a tantra of that name. The ones I've heard of are Vaishnava Gautamiya Tantra (describing the daily rites and general practices of the Vaishnavas. Also deals with the worship of Vishnu in his Krshna aspect), Kaumaritantra (on the worship of Kali in Vamacara manner using the 5 ma-karas etc. as well as on other rites connected with Shakta practices), Niruttaratantra (a vama-marga, or left-wing, kinda work of Shakta Tantra), and Yoni tantra (on Parvati and her worship – pretty tamasic stuff herein J). I'm sure there must be other tantras too. Best if you picked up Tantra Samagraha from somewhere, and you can be a magician like me J Mantra Chintamani and Kautuk Chintamani will also be nice accessories. While the Jagannath Sanskrit University in Puri would be a good place to start looking, I don't think I've what it takes to help you source these materials L Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 6/4/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste Thank you. Now where can I get a copy of the Oddisa Tantra? Love,Swee [sJC- Africa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay RathSaturday, June 04, 2005 8:03 AM Subject: RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Jaya Jagannatha Dear Swee No the mantra cannot be changed like that as the original source is well documented and is the Oddisa Tantra With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com , +91-11-25717162 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Rama, Yes, the word tantra was mentioned generically here. I have had personal experiences with that mantra from Achyuta Das's gadi. Elsewhere, I have heard a learned south Indian Brahmin do a ganapati homa with this mantra. These knowledge are not kept in universities anywhere in the world. They usually lie hidden and obsolete with various local and oral traditions in the venerable mouths of some obscure but learned and holy pundit. Incidentally Swee, your version of the mantra is called the Trailokyamohana Ganesha mantra and the one Julli is using is called Lakshmivinayaka mantra. Regards, Sarbani On Behalf Of Ramapriya DSaturday, June 04, 2005 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Dear Swee, Nobody like Sanjay to tell you about these matters, but I suspect he mentioned Orissa Tantra generically; not too sure there's a tantra of that name. The ones I've heard of are Vaishnava Gautamiya Tantra (describing the daily rites and general practices of the Vaishnavas. Also deals with the worship of Vishnu in his Krshna aspect), Kaumaritantra (on the worship of Kali in Vamacara manner using the 5 ma-karas etc. as well as on other rites connected with Shakta practices), Niruttaratantra (a vama-marga, or left-wing, kinda work of Shakta Tantra), and Yoni tantra (on Parvati and her worship – pretty tamasic stuff herein J). I'm sure there must be other tantras too. Best if you picked up Tantra Samagraha from somewhere, and you can be a magician like me J Mantra Chintamani and Kautuk Chintamani will also be nice accessories. While the Jagannath Sanskrit University in Puri would be a good place to start looking, I don't think I've what it takes to help you source these materials L Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 6/4/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste Thank you. Now where can I get a copy of the Oddisa Tantra? Love,Swee [sJC- Africa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay RathSaturday, June 04, 2005 8:03 AM Subject: RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Jaya Jagannatha Dear Swee No the mantra cannot be changed like that as the original source is well documented and is the Oddisa Tantra With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com , +91-11-25717162 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sarbani, Namaste Incidentally Swee, your version of the mantra is called the Trailokyamohana Ganesha mantra and the one Julli is using is called Lakshmivinayaka mantra. Regards, Sarbani Can you please explain why the preference for Lakshmivinayaka? The version I gave has all three personalities/energies and we do know that Lakshmi can never be activated unless mantras are offered first to Mahavishnu. Love, Swee On Behalf Of Ramapriya D Saturday, June 04, 2005 6:30 PM Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Dear Swee, Nobody like Sanjay to tell you about these matters, but I suspect he mentioned Orissa Tantra generically; not too sure there's a tantra of that name. The ones I've heard of are Vaishnava Gautamiya Tantra (describing the daily rites and general practices of the Vaishnavas. Also deals with the worship of Vishnu in his Krshna aspect), Kaumaritantra (on the worship of Kali in Vamacara manner using the 5 ma-karas etc. as well as on other rites connected with Shakta practices), Niruttaratantra (a vama-marga, or left-wing, kinda work of Shakta Tantra), and Yoni tantra (on Parvati and her worship – pretty tamasic stuff herein J). I'm sure there must be other tantras too. Best if you picked up Tantra Samagraha from somewhere, and you can be a magician like me J Mantra Chintamani and Kautuk Chintamani will also be nice accessories. While the Jagannath Sanskrit University in Puri would be a good place to start looking, I don't think I've what it takes to help you source these materials L Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 6/4/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste Thank you. Now where can I get a copy of the Oddisa Tantra? Love, Swee [sJC- Africa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay Rath Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:03 AM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Jaya Jagannatha Dear Swee No the mantra cannot be changed like that as the original source is well documented and is the Oddisa Tantra With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com , +91-11-25717162 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Swee, No, there is no preference; just a matter of choice. The Lakshmivinayaka mantra has the bijas om shrim gam. Om is Pranava and gam is Ganesha bija. Shrim is the bija for Lakshmi. The Trailokyamohana mantra has the bijas om shrim hrim klim. These are the bijas for Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati and Mahakali. They represent the three puras or the three lokas. Hence the mantra is called Trailokyamohana, that is, that which enchants or wins over the three lokas, as represented by hrim, shrim and klim. Regards, Sarbani On Behalf Of Swee ChanThursday, June 09, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sarbani, Namaste Incidentally Swee, your version of the mantra is called the Trailokyamohana Ganesha mantra and the one Julli is using is called Lakshmivinayaka mantra. Regards, Sarbani Can you please explain why the preference for Lakshmivinayaka? The version I gave has all three personalities/energies and we do know that Lakshmi can never be activated unless mantras are offered first to Mahavishnu. Love, Swee On Behalf Of Ramapriya DSaturday, June 04, 2005 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Dear Swee, Nobody like Sanjay to tell you about these matters, but I suspect he mentioned Orissa Tantra generically; not too sure there's a tantra of that name. The ones I've heard of are Vaishnava Gautamiya Tantra (describing the daily rites and general practices of the Vaishnavas. Also deals with the worship of Vishnu in his Krshna aspect), Kaumaritantra (on the worship of Kali in Vamacara manner using the 5 ma-karas etc. as well as on other rites connected with Shakta practices), Niruttaratantra (a vama-marga, or left-wing, kinda work of Shakta Tantra), and Yoni tantra (on Parvati and her worship – pretty tamasic stuff herein J). I'm sure there must be other tantras too. Best if you picked up Tantra Samagraha from somewhere, and you can be a magician like me J Mantra Chintamani and Kautuk Chintamani will also be nice accessories. While the Jagannath Sanskrit University in Puri would be a good place to start looking, I don't think I've what it takes to help you source these materials L Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 6/4/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste Thank you. Now where can I get a copy of the Oddisa Tantra? Love,Swee [sJC- Africa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay RathSaturday, June 04, 2005 8:03 AM Subject: RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Jaya Jagannatha Dear Swee No the mantra cannot be changed like that as the original source is well documented and is the Oddisa Tantra With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com , +91-11-25717162 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Swee, Thank you for your kind words, but please don't embarrass me as I don't even have a drop of the knowledge of the vast ocean of mantra shastra or jyotish. It is your hardwork in the field and the thirst to know that compels me to share with you and discuss with you. Now, Brahmadaru is none other than Jagannath! He is known as Brahmadaru or Darubrahma. Daru means wood and Brahma is the Nirakara Brahman. He is referred to as Darubrahma in the Skanda Purana in many places. The line I use, Shri Brahmadaru Smarami, is a part of a four line dhyana of Jagannath which is recited in Puri by the priests. One of the priests dictated the words to me when I learnt it from him. The dhyana is this: Niladroshankhamadhye shatadala kamale ratnasimhasanastham Sarvalankarayuktam navaghanaruchiram sanyuktam chagrajenam. Bhadraya vamabhage rathacharanayutam brahmarandhrenduvandyam Vedanam saramekam sajanaparivritam shri brahmadaru smarami. Love, Sarbani On Behalf Of Swee ChanThursday, June 09, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sarbani, Namaste I consider ourselves so blessed with your in-depth knowledge J next q: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami We know Brahma is never prayed to. Is this the loving recollection of mantrs in Saraswati’s form you’ve given your atma to? Love, Swee On Behalf Of Sarbani SarkarThursday, June 09, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Swee, No, there is no preference; just a matter of choice. The Lakshmivinayaka mantra has the bijas om shrim gam. Om is Pranava and gam is Ganesha bija. Shrim is the bija for Lakshmi. The Trailokyamohana mantra has the bijas om shrim hrim klim. These are the bijas for Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati and Mahakali. They represent the three puras or the three lokas. Hence the mantra is called Trailokyamohana, that is, that which enchants or wins over the three lokas, as represented by hrim, shrim and klim. Regards, Sarbani On Behalf Of Swee ChanThursday, June 09, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sarbani, Namaste Incidentally Swee, your version of the mantra is called the Trailokyamohana Ganesha mantra and the one Julli is using is called Lakshmivinayaka mantra. Regards, Sarbani Can you please explain why the preference for Lakshmivinayaka? The version I gave has all three personalities/energies and we do know that Lakshmi can never be activated unless mantras are offered first to Mahavishnu. Love, Swee On Behalf Of Ramapriya DSaturday, June 04, 2005 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Dear Swee, Nobody like Sanjay to tell you about these matters, but I suspect he mentioned Orissa Tantra generically; not too sure there's a tantra of that name. The ones I've heard of are Vaishnava Gautamiya Tantra (describing the daily rites and general practices of the Vaishnavas. Also deals with the worship of Vishnu in his Krshna aspect), Kaumaritantra (on the worship of Kali in Vamacara manner using the 5 ma-karas etc. as well as on other rites connected with Shakta practices), Niruttaratantra (a vama-marga, or left-wing, kinda work of Shakta Tantra), and Yoni tantra (on Parvati and her worship – pretty tamasic stuff herein J). I'm sure there must be other tantras too. Best if you picked up Tantra Samagraha from somewhere, and you can be a magician like me J Mantra Chintamani and Kautuk Chintamani will also be nice accessories. While the Jagannath Sanskrit University in Puri would be a good place to start looking, I don't think I've what it takes to help you source these materials L Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 6/4/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste Thank you. Now where can I get a copy of the Oddisa Tantra? Love,Swee [sJC- Africa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay RathSaturday, June 04, 2005 8:03 AM Subject: RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Jaya Jagannatha Dear Swee No the mantra cannot be changed like that as the original source is well documented and is the Oddisa Tantra With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com , +91-11-25717162 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sarbani, Namaste Kindly share the translations with us please JJJJJ (goodie!!!) Love, Swee On Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar Thursday, June 09, 2005 3:08 PM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Swee, Thank you for your kind words, but please don't embarrass me as I don't even have a drop of the knowledge of the vast ocean of mantra shastra or jyotish. It is your hardwork in the field and the thirst to know that compels me to share with you and discuss with you. Now, Brahmadaru is none other than Jagannath! He is known as Brahmadaru or Darubrahma. Daru means wood and Brahma is the Nirakara Brahman. He is referred to as Darubrahma in the Skanda Purana in many places. The line I use, Shri Brahmadaru Smarami, is a part of a four line dhyana of Jagannath which is recited in Puri by the priests. One of the priests dictated the words to me when I learnt it from him. The dhyana is this: Niladroshankhamadhye shatadala kamale ratnasimhasanastham Sarvalankarayuktam navaghanaruchiram sanyuktam chagrajenam. Bhadraya vamabhage rathacharanayutam brahmarandhrenduvandyam Vedanam saramekam sajanaparivritam shri brahmadaru smarami. Love, Sarbani On Behalf Of Swee Chan Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:15 PM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sarbani, Namaste I consider ourselves so blessed with your in-depth knowledge J next q: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami We know Brahma is never prayed to. Is this the loving recollection of mantrs in Saraswati’s form you’ve given your atma to? Love, Swee On Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar Thursday, June 09, 2005 1:16 PM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Swee, No, there is no preference; just a matter of choice. The Lakshmivinayaka mantra has the bijas om shrim gam. Om is Pranava and gam is Ganesha bija. Shrim is the bija for Lakshmi. The Trailokyamohana mantra has the bijas om shrim hrim klim. These are the bijas for Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati and Mahakali. They represent the three puras or the three lokas. Hence the mantra is called Trailokyamohana, that is, that which enchants or wins over the three lokas, as represented by hrim, shrim and klim. Regards, Sarbani On Behalf Of Swee Chan Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:25 PM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sarbani, Namaste Incidentally Swee, your version of the mantra is called the Trailokyamohana Ganesha mantra and the one Julli is using is called Lakshmivinayaka mantra. Regards, Sarbani Can you please explain why the preference for Lakshmivinayaka? The version I gave has all three personalities/energies and we do know that Lakshmi can never be activated unless mantras are offered first to Mahavishnu. Love, Swee On Behalf Of Ramapriya D Saturday, June 04, 2005 6:30 PM Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Dear Swee, Nobody like Sanjay to tell you about these matters, but I suspect he mentioned Orissa Tantra generically; not too sure there's a tantra of that name. The ones I've heard of are Vaishnava Gautamiya Tantra (describing the daily rites and general practices of the Vaishnavas. Also deals with the worship of Vishnu in his Krshna aspect), Kaumaritantra (on the worship of Kali in Vamacara manner using the 5 ma-karas etc. as well as on other rites connected with Shakta practices), Niruttaratantra (a vama-marga, or left-wing, kinda work of Shakta Tantra), and Yoni tantra (on Parvati and her worship – pretty tamasic stuff herein J). I'm sure there must be other tantras too. Best if you picked up Tantra Samagraha from somewhere, and you can be a magician like me J Mantra Chintamani and Kautuk Chintamani will also be nice accessories. While the Jagannath Sanskrit University in Puri would be a good place to start looking, I don't think I've what it takes to help you source these materials L Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 6/4/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste Thank you. Now where can I get a copy of the Oddisa Tantra? Love, Swee [sJC- Africa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay Rath Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:03 AM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Jaya Jagannatha Dear Swee No the mantra cannot be changed like that as the original source is well documented and is the Oddisa Tantra With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com , +91-11-25717162 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 , " Sarbani Sarkar " <sarbanisarkar@g...> wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Swee, Thank you for your kind words, but please don't embarrass me as I don't even have a drop of the knowledge of the vast ocean of mantra shastra or jyotish. It is your hardwork in the field and the thirst to know that compels me to share with you and discuss with you. Now, Brahmadaru is none other than Jagannath! He is known as Brahmadaru or Darubrahma. Daru means wood and Brahma is the Nirakara Brahman. He is referred to as Darubrahma in the Skanda Purana in many places. The line I use, Shri Brahmadaru Smarami, is a part of a four line dhyana of Jagannath which is recited in Puri by the priests. One of the priests dictated the words to me when I learnt it from him. The dhyana is this: Niladroshankhamadhye shatadala kamale ratnasimhasanastham Sarvalankarayuktam navaghanaruchiram sanyuktam chagrajenam. Bhadraya vamabhage rathacharanayutam brahmarandhrenduvandyam Vedanam saramekam sajanaparivritam shri brahmadaru smarami. Love, Sarbani _____ On Behalf Of Swee Chan Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:15 PM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sarbani, Namaste I consider ourselves so blessed with your in-depth knowledge :-) next q: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami We know Brahma is never prayed to. Is this the loving recollection of mantrs in Saraswati's form you've given your atma to? Love, Swee _____ On Behalf Of Sarbani Sarkar Thursday, June 09, 2005 1:16 PM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Swee, No, there is no preference; just a matter of choice. The Lakshmivinayaka mantra has the bijas om shrim gam. Om is Pranava and gam is Ganesha bija. Shrim is the bija for Lakshmi. The Trailokyamohana mantra has the bijas om shrim hrim klim. These are the bijas for Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati and Mahakali. They represent the three puras or the three lokas. Hence the mantra is called Trailokyamohana, that is, that which enchants or wins over the three lokas, as represented by hrim, shrim and klim. Regards, Sarbani _____ On Behalf Of Swee Chan Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:25 PM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sarbani, Namaste Incidentally Swee, your version of the mantra is called the Trailokyamohana Ganesha mantra and the one Julli is using is called Lakshmivinayaka mantra. Regards, Sarbani Can you please explain why the preference for Lakshmivinayaka? The version I gave has all three personalities/energies and we do know that Lakshmi can never be activated unless mantras are offered first to Mahavishnu. Love, Swee _____ On Behalf Of Ramapriya D Saturday, June 04, 2005 6:30 PM Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Dear Swee, Nobody like Sanjay to tell you about these matters, but I suspect he mentioned Orissa Tantra generically; not too sure there's a tantra of that name. The ones I've heard of are Vaishnava Gautamiya Tantra (describing the daily rites and general practices of the Vaishnavas. Also deals with the worship of Vishnu in his Krshna aspect), Kaumaritantra (on the worship of Kali in Vamacara manner using the 5 ma-karas etc. as well as on other rites connected with Shakta practices), Niruttaratantra (a vama-marga, or left-wing, kinda work of Shakta Tantra), and Yoni tantra (on Parvati and her worship - pretty tamasic stuff herein :-)). I'm sure there must be other tantras too. Best if you picked up Tantra Samagraha from somewhere, and you can be a magician like me :-) Mantra Chintamani and Kautuk Chintamani will also be nice accessories. While the Jagannath Sanskrit University in Puri would be a good place to start looking, I don't think I've what it takes to help you source these materials :-( Respects, Ramapriya ayirpamar@g... On 6/4/05, Swee Chan <swee@c...> wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste Thank you. Now where can I get a copy of the Oddisa Tantra? Love, Swee _____ [sJC- Africa <Africa > ] On Behalf Of Sanjay Rath Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:03 AM RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Mantra Glossary- Sarbani Jaya Jagannatha Dear Swee No the mantra cannot be changed like that as the original source is well documented and is the Oddisa Tantra With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath CenterR 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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