[SoHamsa] Question about Ve in 3rd from AL (Rafalji)

February 10, 2010

Om Gurave NamahDear Arun, namasteI think we did not use this font color. Correction, of course Small one. Search it bellow.Warm regards,Maja Å trbac--- On Tue, 2/9/10, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro wrote:Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastroRe: [Om Krishna Guru] [soHamsa] Re: Question about Ve in 3rd from AL (Rafalji) Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 2:04 PM

Om Gurave NamahDear Arun, namasteWe are having small problem in our dialogue. That is: 1. Most of the times I have to ask you same question at least twice.2. You are answering some of my questions by using what I write.3. You are asking additional questions hardly related to what we previously discussed, without answering my questions first.If this continues in your next email, I will consider this dialogue huge waste of my time. By then, I will use this opportunity to try to bring our conversation back to right track. If it doesn't work, my next reply will be only: "It was nice

talking to you. My very best wishes in your further learning!". I hope this is fair enough, I am just expecting reciprocity, that is all.When I asked you to list out criteria which you are

using when determining combustion, I had a jaw drop when I read this:Do you have any good astrological software?

Well then use it to decide whether a planet is combust or not. Let software

owner decide whether that planet is combust or not. And only get into this if

you feel software is incorrect.

Are you sure you want to leave this as your final answer? I mean... "Let software owner decide". Sounds kind of... your reference is software owner, not a book or Guru. Since I've noticed you are using my words many times by now, I have a reason to demand you to be the first who will list criteria (since combustion makes 1/3 of your argument for Tesla's chart), explanation of combustion, definition of "destroyed" when graha is combusted. I can't wait to read it. These were your final answers on Tesla's chart:Why tesla didn't have women in his life?

Here are the reasons:

1. 7th lord combust.

2. venus combust.

3. 6L joining 7L. 4.

UL

in 12th.5. 7th from venus is in 12th.6. In navamsha venus moved in 8th accepted by 8th lord mars and is helmed between malefic.You also said "In rashi venus lords 2nd and 7th, both of them are destroyed because of venus being combust with sun." (BTW when saying this "both bhavas", are you familiar with procedure for determining which of these two lordships is crucial?)And then you said: Sukra is one of the criteria but not at all the only criteria.Okay, those above were the only reasons you listed out. Now I am forced to go further with one more example, just because it almost completely fits to this description above (there is not just

combustion, as you prefer multiple factors):July 17th 1984.17:49 PM21 E 20, 43 N 35. Time zone 02h East of GMT.

Female.You will notice that her 7th lord Sukra is combusted and that UL lord is in 12th as well as lord of 7th from Sukra. Sukra in Navamsha is in 8th, severely afflicted. She is married (partner is from abroad). Now I consider my brother's chart useless, since you insist on multiple factors. Here they are. Enjoy.Now you see, by using "one dimensional" criteria (namely software owner) to determine combustion, you are missing crucial in this phenomenon. If you would study deeply what is combustion, you would understand why benefic graha drishti or yuti would not make significant difference for it. So, please, do not say that in this chart above Budh can relief combustion (to which extent? How to determine this degree of relief which is between canceling destruction and destroyed?), as I will declare that as a very poor excuse for lacking with knowledge.Another thing, you said that in Tesla's chart both 2nd and 7th bhava are

destroyed because Sukra is combust by Surya. 2nd bhava is left eye, so one would expect some physical damage here. He had very healthy

eyes. In fact, he died at the age of 86, and he never even wore eyeglasses, as younger or older. Another thing related to Sukra, and this has a lot to do with Digchakra, is gift of visualization. Tesla had extremely powerful one. This was of most importance for his way of work on inventions. "Exactly, it means that one wife is

far away and not easily accessible. Hope you got the point. It also means that

once women will live away from him during relivent dasha, antardasha."This was for your argument No6. It was added after I elaborated what it means (I recognize lot of my words here). However, playing with words will not make this an argument. It would make sense to use this as argument in case if he was ever actually looking for a wife, girlfriend, or anything related to partnership (which is not the case). Also, note that he lived in USA, and he was born in southeast Europe. In simple numbers this would be approximately 7 000km.I was saying:My question would begin with broken pravraja yoga which includes relevant

lordships for celibacy, placed

in 7th from UL (badhak), well placed from Lagnesh and AK... in karma bhava from

Ch also... But these are just initial thoughts on concept of my question.And your comment was:And yes pravraja yoga, did you even

tries to look at the factor which decides potency of sexual organs in his

chart. Perhaps if you had, your question might be different.Question was not refereed to you. Also, I said "My question would begin with...". I did not say "My question would begin and end with...". Potency of sexual organs was hardly the reason why Tesla decided to live in celibacy. Please read his biography again. If you do find that this was the reason, we can discuss this further.Few points from our discussion on Tesla:Please do have forgiveness in your heart for this

old man, as he was reading Vedanta too much, which influenced his criteria for

metaphysics and science. Mathematical

grab that fascinates, beggar clothed in purple. Don't overlook that.Ha.ha.. perhaps tesla was trikala drasta and he knew that this

work of relativity will eventually be used to create a bomb. So he rightly

abuses it. No, this was not his reason. This was also one of his critics on relativity:"I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can

have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties.

He has not, but only attributes and these are of our own making. Of

properties we can only speak when dealing with matter filling the

space. To say that in the presence of large bodies space becomes curved

is equivalent to stating that something can act upon nothing. I, for

one, refuse to to such a view"Please pay closer attention on description of God up there. Sounds familiar? By the time he made this statement, he was already introduced to Swami Vivekananda. The two of them had some very fruitful discussions on correlation between science and Vedanta. Ever since Tesla's continued with research on this correlation and his work in following years was very much inspired with these conclusions. If this quotation above is not enough to support this statement, here is one more quotation on Tesla:"Long ago (I) recognized that all perceptible matter comes from primary substance, of a tenuity beyond conception and filling all space--the Akasha or luminiferous ether--which is acted upon by the life giving Prana or creative force, calling into existence, in never ending cycles, all things and phenomena. The primary substance, thrown into infinitesimal whirls of prodigious velocity, becomes gross matter; the force subsiding, the motion ceases and matter disappears, reverting to the primary substance."You see, there were few phases of relativity theory throughout history. Einstein finished his contribution to relativity with General Relativity theory. As it was very hard to fit gravity and electromagnetism to this theory, the only way for Einstein was to use static universe model. By now in modern physics this model was abounded few times and all results could shortly sum up in this:http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Big_BangWhere you can read short history of all models of Universe used so far, critics,

divided opinions etc. etc. etc. By nowadays

particles traveling faster than the speed of light were also found. Yet, matter, energy, space and time (E = mc2) are still very hard to fit with Gravity and Electromagnetism (both having qualities of Akash). Perhaps because in model of Universe there are important factors missing in these 5 elements of physical existence-God and on the other hand: destruction- creation- destruction- creation- destruction- creation of physical aspects of manifested universe dependently on Brahma's day and night (and entire manifested universe destruction occurs with his death) . But is it not beautiful that modern science had no other way

but to develop expanding model of Universe (Bug Bang theory)? Hm... "Karanodaksayi Vishnu who produces innumerable universes that start as seed and expand as they float above the causal ocean..." Nice. Scientists are on right track.

Coming back to Einstein, this long story is there to make a point that General Relativity theory was corrected by experts many times by now, but its contribution lies in fact that it was starting point for many other theories. As you can read, it is not accepted as final word on Universe.Tesla, on the other hand was obsessed with field theories and ether and worked on developing dynamic theory of Gravity. Though argues on who is right and who is wrong (Tesla or Einstein) is still very much active among nowadays scientist... Tesla was a little bit more focused on practical work supported with theory, so he developed AC (alternating current) system of power supply (the one which is making possible this communication between you and me, among

else), wireless communication (at the time radio) among else... also don't forget "He ripped up a Westinghouse

contract that would have made him the world's first billionaire, in

part because of the implications it would have on his future vision of

free power, and in part because it would run Westinghouse out of

business, and Tesla had no desire to deal with the creditors." All interest he had in his work was for the benefit of humanity, not for his own benefit. You used only one paragraph to declare Tesla as abusive spoken. In upper class society circles of New York during late 19th century Tesla was known as soft spoken gentleman always dining in his white gloves. On a deep thought, well these bombs do seem to be noble because

they stop many small wars between the super powers. Threat of nuclear bomb does

have stopped many wars. These bombs will kill all of us one day, but till that

day comes, we can live in prosperity because of these bombs. Bombs being noble? Was Mahatma Gandhi born in your country and how did Indian people won independence? And as we are talking about Einstein, check venus, Saturn,

mercury, sun yoga in his 10th house. Remember, I said venus, Saturn,

mercury yoga produce great mathematicians. Again to avoid confusion no your

part, I should clarify that planet involved should be strong.Good, we avoided confusion, you avoided answering my question on those two charts containing this very same yoga (one is 13th of November 1982 and another is February 5th 1962, search full data in previous posts). Here you can show me how this yoga works in charts of Tesla and Einstein, does it work in charts of these two natives and why. Use all multiple factors you would like. If you don't point me the difference, I have no other choice but to say that this claim you are making is under huge question mark. You also never answered if natives 13th November 1982 and 27th November 1960 are replacing women with their love towards hard work due to Sani yuti with Sukra. I will repeat again (3rd time) that I am asking you to answer this simple question, not asking you to write a novel about their lives. But as you were saying for native 27th November

1960:ve sa ma shows a brutal criminal or a great soldier. I said this

previously but I was obsessed by the presence of very strong Jupiter, without realizing

that this strong Jupiter dasha will start in 2060. Not in this life time. Even I

didn't see his drekkana. Otherwise such lethal mistake would not have occurred. However, you yourself proved that ve, sa, ma does shows a

criminal.I asked you a question if native born on February 5th 1962 is brutal criminal. You never answered. In your statement above I am again having impression that you are using only Yoga it self without analyzing its position and integrating it in rest of the chart... Is this impression wrong?This is misunderstanding due to my mistake. My apologies for bothering

you with this (these) parivartana( s). That's alrightâ€¦ but this is really worst silly mistake one can do.Is it? Oh, I will survive for not opening that chart. What about giving statement that Sa/Sk/Ma can show brutal criminal and completely miss it in chart (with giving excuse on looking at strong Jupiter). See, mistake happens to anyone for this or that reason. Other than this you also said that 5th bhava is related to past (poorly correcting it with "Blessings from previous life which will fructify in

future in form of son, creativity, authority etc." This resembles of logic used for 9th bhava, which shows how our previous actions are influencing blessings in form of bhagya in this life. However, do some counting where from 9th bhava becomes 10th and then count from that bhava to 5th). You also said: parivatran between 6th and 4th is the cause of him leaving all happiness for the pursuit of higher reasons. If happiness (comforts maybe) is related to 4th bhava, this leaves me no other option but to make a conclusion that you are considering 6th bhava as higher reasons. And in your next email you said only parivatran between 6th and 4th is the cause of him leaving all happiness. That is what it means. Without including "higher reasons" in analyzing this parivartana. Now... would you

like to choose between these two statements?Venus is love and Saturn is hard work. It means love for hard work.BTW if you are trying to

apply it in Tesla's chart, didn't you say that "love" is destroyed as

Sukra is combusted?

How could he love

anything in that case, including hard work? My dear not just venus but 5th lord also

shows love and devotion. When 5th lord and venus both joins is

double bonanza, its more powerful.So 5th lord destroying Sukra by combusting it, is making Sukra more powerful in context of love and devotion? Is this what you are saying? Or to extend it with your other words:When strong lord Is Surya

indeed strong in 3rd bhava? of

this house joins another planet, it will definitely create love, affection,

insight towards the karakatatvas of the planet it is joining. Even if "burning" them in combustion?And you replied with:Jotisha is not that straight forward.

Anything which is bad from one perspective might be good from another

perspective. Just like in theory of relativity, perspective mattes in jotisha

too. Basic rules of nature are universally applicable, perhaps if we apply them

with correct perspective.Here you are flown by just one rule of

combustion. How can you ignore the other rule? The rule that 5th

lord is the lord of prosperity, creativity etc, etcâ€¦.So creativity, prosperity, devotion (5th lord Surya) is ruining (combustion) his love for hard work (Sani/Sukra) , right? Now you are including relativity here... What is relative about it? Saying that Surya will selectively destroy some aspects of Sukra 7th and 2nd lord (wife and soft speach as you said) and other will leave untouched, right (love and devotion for hard work)? And then you extended this with:However in case of tesla, 5th lord is sun and it has

combusted the venus. Union is strong as they are just 3 degrees apart. Malefic

have added their harshness to the yoga. Anything which has energy of sun, anything which is fast as

mercury, anything which is as deadly as Saturn and anything which is as

beautiful combust venus. O Brahmin its electricity.Then I guess you've never heard of that Graha which is all so sudden, fast, deadly and invisible, caches and let goes, exists in every precise little gadget of nowadays, as it signified precise gadgets such as watches in ancient times. Also signifies mathematical ability... It takes only one Graha, "o Brahmin"...Also this about Sukra Sani:Anyway, Sukra is of Jala tatva

(emotions), also related to Bhakti. If joined with Sani, it can result in

coldness. These natives need time to open up in

partnership. It is better if Sani and Sukra are both strong (own rashi,

mooltrikona, exaltation.. .). If weak, they can bring sorrow in partnership. To native or partner, this depends

on placement and lordship.

Maturation of Sani (age of 36) can bring some relief. These natives tend to adopt

traditional values (again, this depends on placement and lordship). Don't

forget that weak Sani brings laziness, dullness, atheism (Guru is neecha in

Makara) etc. etc. Being selfish is also result of this yoga. Of course,

everything stated depends on complete chart.If both sukra and shani are strong the

there is nothing native can't achieve with his hard work. If sukra is week but Saturn is strong,

person will show extreme coldness towards the relation owned by sukra. If sukra is strong but Saturn is week,

laziness, dullness, strong desire of merriment and enjoyment are seen in

native. Hard work on enjoyment. That's the way I call it. Dear maja, you are calling this definition being poor.

Seriously, you lack insight.Once you expanded your poor definition with my writings, it doesn't sound as poor as it used to.As far as Rashi Sandhi and Gandanta you said:If you are saying 3 deg 20min, then I would comeup with 100 of

charts to show that rashi sandhi concept is incorrect. Its just 48 minutes, 2

ghatika, correct yourself.Isn't this from correction inspired with BPHS chapter on Gandanta? Why are you mixing these two now (rashi sandhi and Gandanta)?http://sarbani. com/index. php?option= com_content & view=article & id=6:bhava-and- rashi-sandhis & catid=7:basics & Itemid=14 Other then the above article, I have read few more sjc articles regarding

this. Still I am quite sure and confident about what I am saying.Fair enough. In that case my personal decision is to follow SJC Gurus, as they are far more experienced in Jyotish and interpreting classics. I am quite sure and confident in their experience and knowledge.As far as AL:Secondly, as far as what I understand benefices in 3, 6 from AL give an image

of a person who don't like to fight and is calm.

Malefic in same position give an image of a person who is always ready to fight

and create nuisance.Please do tell me, how do you define "AL giving

image"?See AL

is maya associated with the native. Position of planets from, AL

creates an imaginary world Where it creates imaginery world? which people see and which might be true or false

based on planetary position from lagana true or false in context of what? In context of real or imaginary events? After we finish this discussion on AL I will simply paste you a link for one of my posts on AL. I will not alter a single word to it. But here in this discussion I will not add a single word on correction in order to avoid you using my words to build up an explanation. For example benefices in 3ld from AL

give strong coborns, gives large muscles. Sukra is benefic, and in 3rd/11th from AL it can cancel younger/elder coborns. But will once younger coborn help him

is seem from 3ld from lagana. How much power those large muscles has is seen

from 3ld from lagana. If there are malefic in 3ld from AL

it will give petty muscle, week or no younger brothers On the contrary, Mangal here can give very strong younger brother.. But malefic in 3ld form

lagana can give tremendous power in those petty muscles.You had one question:Dear Maja, I seriously think that nobody has answer to these

questions. Nobody has done significant work to pinpoint different yogas for

different categories and temperament of saints. Please, feel free to correct me

if I am wrong.Two words of correction: Sanjay Rath. Search for his posts, articles, books...I just saw this:You: //I also clarify that in my personal experience I have observed that chalit chart gives incorrect results.Me:Your personal experience with Chalit Chakra? In previous email you did not even know how to use it...//You: Because

of the virtues given to me by my parents and my cultural heritage, I

was taught to be humble and polite. Which you interpret as my

ignorance. May lord ram bless you?Daring to clarify that accordingly to your personal experience with something you can't even use gives incorrect results is being humble? As far as your politeness, you did "demonstrate" it in your previous posts very much.My parents simply taught me not to be a hypocrite...Warm regards,Maja Å trbac--- On Sat, 2/6/10, aruninthecity <aruninthecity@ .co. in> wrote:aruninthecity <aruninthecity@ .co. in>[Om Krishna Guru] [soHamsa] Re: Question about Ve in 3rd from AL (Rafalji)Saturday, February 6, 2010, 5:25 PM

Dear Maja, jai

shree Ram, Krishn,

My response is in green. Please don't write in bold

letters. It's hard to read. Let's continueâ€¦

//In tesla chart venus is badly combust by sun. because of this venus

karaktatawas are severely harmed. venus represents women, love in

general.Ãƒâ€š Really?

DOB: 08th of January 1978

TOB: 15:15 PM

POB:Ãƒâ€š Split, Croatia; 16 E 27, 43 N 31

Time zone 01h East of GMT

This is my brother's chart. Pay attention on Venus, please. He is married

BTW.//

Is parivertan between lagana and 7th isn't good enough reason for him getting

married. Three benefices in 7th is not good enough. 7th from venus has Jupiter,

is that is not a good enough reason.

Haven't you taught to see these thing all well in a chart. Speaking of looking and seeing,

which are basic conditions to read correctly, my suggestion was to look at

combust Sukra in his chart, and seems like you failed to see that combustion

occurs in 7th bhava... Anyway, my point in giving you this example was not to

examine his chart and reasons why he married (which I am able to do on my own,

thank you) if they are not including explanation on combusted Sukra not

destroying "women and love" in this chart. I can even spell my point:

T-H-I-S* I-S*N-O-T*E- N-O-U-G-H* T-O*M-A-K- E*O-N-E*A* C-E-L-I-B- A-T-E! Did I ever say that sukra is the only criteria to judge whether

one will marry or not. I didn't but you presume. I just advice you to not guess

so much, you see all you guess have failed. It just doesn't work for you. Why

don't you confirm first before making an assumption. Sukra is one of the criteria but not at all the only criteria. His venus is combust. Is hard for him to fall in love and he

will feel neglected in love. Sorry, but

this is not the case.Though these result will not be

intense because of many benefices are associating with it. Benefics can not cancel combustion (Especially not

Amavasya Chandra!). It is very specific dosa, it is not like dristi of malefics

forming a curse (Saapa), for example, where drishti of benefic can be of help.

Again, did I say that it cancel combustion, I just

said that benefices mellow down the bad result of sukra. Regarding amavasya

moon, yes you are correct but here also beneficial accept, conjunction does

mellow down bad result.

As UL contains mars indicates his wife being aggressive. No she is not. Also he will have

some relationship problem with his father. This is correct.

Why tesla didn't have women in his life?

Here are the reasons:

1. 7th lord combust.

2. venus combust.

3. 6L joining 7L. Please look at female chart I gave you

(3rd October 1979...) 6th

and 7th lord in parivartana, combust Sukra 7th lord. 4.

UL

in 12th. UL can not

possibly fall in 12th house... typing

mistake, its UL lord in 12.

5. 7th from venus is in 12th. Meaning that he can meet his wife somewhere abroad

I have one example, but every time I give you an example, you think I am

puzzling you, testing you and expecting you say something more about native in

order to prove your knowledge. That is really not the case. Just illustrating

your statements.. . Exactly, it means that one wife is

far away and not easily accessible. Hope you got the point. It also means that

once women will live away from him during relivent dasha, antardasha. And to avoid any confusion on your

part, I again says that it is one of the criteria not the only criteria to

decide whether once women has to leave.

6. In navamsha venus moved in 8th accepted by 8th lord mars

and is helmed between malefic. You should

really see Sukra in Swami Vivekananda' s navamsha...

its exalted in 5th house, then what?

Is these reasons are enough? Nope...

You see, when I gave you birth details for Tesla's chart, I was really

expecting you will ask questions to other learned members, since you showed

some enthusiasm for the subject (I was sort of lazy those days). I was hoping I

will not have to include further in this thread except for reading replies (if

there is any decent reply worth reading). But you referred to me... So here we

are (by now I am bored to death). Honestly, if I would ask a question why he

decided to live in celibacy, you would be the last on the list of people who I

would refer to. No offense, please, I am just picky when it comes to knowledge.

My question would begin with broken pravraja yoga which includes relevant

lordships for celibacy, placed

in 7th from UL (badhak), well placed from Lagnesh and AK... in karma bhava from

Ch also... But these are just initial thoughts on concept of my question. O I am also very picky about

knowledge, I will only pick whatever seems logical and scientific irrespective

of the person who is passing the knowledge. And yes pravraja yoga, did you even

tries to look at the factor which decides potency of sexual organs in his

chart. Perhaps if you had, your question might be different. And yes "Really?", what do you mean by this? Exactly

what are you trying to prove by using the word really? Asking a question... You do see a question mark

added to "really"?

It did sound unpleasant.

Anyways, leave it.

//as stated in wiki tesla was known for his abusive speeches regarding other

scientists.Ãƒâ€š

Please copy paragraph containing this line from Wikipedia and paste it in your

next email. I would love to read it in one piece. Especially this word

"abusive".//

Can't you simply open wiki and read it. I am familiar with every word written about Tesla on

Wikipedia long before you and I started to exchange emails. and what is got to do

with the discussion?

anyways ,

here it is:

//Tesla was critical of Einstein's relativity work, calling it:

Magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind

to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom

ignorant people take for a king ... its exponents are brilliant men but they

are metaphysicists rather than scientists./ / Ah, good, there is no word

"abusive" in this paragraph. Case closed. There is no point in keeping it opened. So close be

it. Is this not abusive? You are entitled to your opinion, of course.

Opinion is something different than "as stated in Wikipedia"

There are ways to be critical. Above one fall in worst

category.

If one is using such words for "theory of relativity", I can't

imagine what words he would use to describe other theories. Please do have forgiveness in your heart for this

old man, as he was reading Vedanta too much, which influenced his criteria for

metaphysics and science. Mathematical

grab that fascinates, beggar clothed in purple. Don't overlook that. BTW nuclear bomb is fruit of

relativity theory...Though poor Einstein won Nobel's prize for photoelectric

effect. Can you believe this injustice?

Ha.ha.. perhaps tesla was trikala drasta and he knew that this

work of relativity will eventually be used to create a bomb. So he rightly

abuses it. On a deep thought, well these bombs do seem to be noble because

they stop many small wars between the super powers. Threat of nuclear bomb does

have stopped many wars. These bombs will kill all of us one day, but till that

day comes, we can live in prosperity because of these bombs. And as we are talking about Einstein, check venus, Saturn,

mercury, sun yoga in his 10th house. Remember, I said venus, Saturn,

mercury yoga produce great mathematicians. Again to avoid confusion no your

part, I should clarify that planet involved should be strong.

//in a 1937 interview, he stated:

.... man's new sense of pity began to interfere with the ruthless workings of

nature. The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the

race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the

deliberate guidance of the mating instinct .... The trend of opinion among

eugenists is that we must make marriage more difficult. Certainly no one who is

not a desirable parent should be permitted to produce progeny. A century from

now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically

unfit than to marry a habitual criminal.// This sounds creepy, honestly.

A clear case of venus combust with malefic. But there is a benefic Budh to

pull it out of combustion, right? Budh with malefic will behaves as

malefic. Reff bphs. In your brother chat,

venus will not give extremely bad result, only because its is with benefices

and accepted by benefices. "Accepted"?

If we exclude Amavasya Chandra, this is leaving only Budh. Coincidentally, Budh

is only benefic with Tesla's Sukra as well... What about Jupiter accepting at its

own sign. And when there is a

parivertan between two kenkra house and both planets being benefic, what else

can get bigger then this. O I just saw this mercury is in gandath. Lagana lord

and 4th lord is in gandatha. I think it indicate some problem in his

ability to learn and express.

But it's definitely very week being combust. Open Bphs, if you have any doubts

regarding this.

Parashara clearly said if futile to check the strength of planet in other

vargas if it is combust, defeated in war, in bad avastha like sayan. What he clearly did not say

anywhere is that other benefics joined with combust graha can improve situation.

This has no logic. If Graha is near combust graha, this means that it might be

"burned" as well... As far as drishti, how helpful can it be? Benefic

with desire (drishti) to pour some water? O yes they will mellow down the bad

result. It is very basic and absolutely logical. Recently your brother has completed

moon dasha. Its 2nd, UL, A6, A11 lord. Is he or his wife suffering from some

disease of long lasting nature. Exactly what are the problem your brother is

facing? Kindly elaborate.

// In rashi venus lords 2nd and 7th, both of them are destroyed because of

venus being combust with sun.Ãƒâ€š Can you list criteria you were using to

determine combustion of Sukra? Define "destroyed", please.//

Is venus not combust by your criteria? There are various types of

combustion.. . BTW you did not define "destroyed"...

// However as sun is 5th lord, this union has created love and superb insight

for electricity. Since when Surya has anything to do with electricity (or

combust Sukra? Or 5th lord?)?????? ??????? Reference for this statement,

please!//

Is it hard to understand?

5th house is:

House of creativity,

House of intelligence,

House of love, *sort of, something more like

bhakti, more resembles of your statement bellow:

House of devotion, House of insights, I absolutely agree on everything you wrote above. House of blessing from previous life. Except for this. 5th Bhava is future. Blessings from previous life which will fructify in

future in form of son, creativity, authority etc. Sorry. BTW where is electricity? I did

not ask you to list 5th bhava signification. I specifically asked you for

reference on electricity related to 5th bhava. Are you sure you can read well? O yes I can read very well. Well then again I have to say: Is it hard to understand? Let me try to make it easier for you. See when 5th lord joins sukra it will create love,

affection towards nature, flowers, beauty, women(in positive sense), paintings,

art, acting, musical instruments. If malefic is accepting (desire) or joining then they will add its

harshness to the yoga. However in case of tesla, 5th lord is sun and it has

combusted the venus. Union is strong as they are just 3 degrees apart. Malefic

have added their harshness to the yoga. Anything which has energy of sun, anything which is fast as

mercury, anything which is as deadly as Saturn and anything which is as

beautiful combust venus. O Brahmin its electricity. Does it sounds poetic, it is the best and correct way to learn

astrology. There is nothing in this world which can not be classified by the

above mentioned poetic rhyme. When strong lord Is Surya

indeed strong in 3rd bhava? of

this house joins another planet, it will definitely create love, affection,

insight towards the karakatatvas of the planet it is joining. Even if "burning" them in combustion? Jotisha is not that straight forward.

Anything which is bad from one perspective might be good from another

perspective. Just like in theory of relativity, perspective mattes in jotisha

too. Basic rules of nature are universally applicable, perhaps if we apply them

with correct perspective. Here you are flown by just one rule of

combustion. How can you ignore the other rule? The rule that 5th

lord is the lord of prosperity, creativity etc, etcâ€¦. Perhaps, you are the one who is saying

that one should focus on all the perspectives. And now you yourself is focusing

on just one perspective of combustion and declaring that all other perspective

doesn't matterâ€¦ I though you said they are

destroyed... *plural, exactly, Sani is also combusted. **That is-if the only

criteria you are using is "close to Sun" Do you have any good astrological software?

Well then use it to decide whether a planet is combust or not. Let software

owner decide whether that planet is combust or not. And only get into this if

you feel software is incorrect.

Do you think that I am incorrect? O then please corrects me. Hope you come up

with superior intelligence and enlighten me. Please, spare me from your attempts of using

sarcasm... I prefer quality.

So do I, what where it is? I am just clarifying you that

you have made lot of incorrect guesses. I am sorry but, I will again say it,

come up with superior intelligence, superior questions, superior answers. It's

just to motivate you. To get most out of this discussion.

//venus saturn yoga always shows that person will dedicated his life to a cause

or purpose.

Venus is love and Saturn is hard work. it means love for hard work.

Ah, interesting logic....Ãƒâ€š Can you please apply it on following two

charts and tell me what these natives are doing with their life:

Native 1:

DOB: 13th of November 1982

TOB: 11 30 AM

POB: Belgrade, Serbia; 20 E 30, 44 N 50

Time zone 01h East of GMT

Gender: male

Native 2:

DOB: 27th of November 1960

TOB: 14: 58 PM

POB: 21 E 06, 43 N 08, Time zone 01h East of GMT

Gender: male

Do you think that love for hard work is strong enough to overpower interest for

women in case of these two natives?//

Venus is love and Saturn is hard work. It means love for hard work.

Is it incorrect? This

is the poorest definition of this yoga I've ever read in my entire life (it is

not incorrect).It

is the best and absolutely accurate definition of this yoga. BTW if you are trying to

apply it in Tesla's chart, didn't you say that "love" is destroyed as

Sukra is combusted?

How could he love

anything in that case, including hard work? My dear not just venus but 5th lord also

shows love and devotion. When 5th lord and venus both joins is

double bonanza, its more powerful. Anyway, Sukra is of Jala tatva

(emotions), also related to Bhakti. If joined with Sani, it can result in

coldness. Sukra is jala tattava and Saturn is

vayu tattava both are friendly towards each other. However as sukra represents

jala tattava and Saturn represents shishir ritu, it does create coldness, it

does take native away from worldly repercussions and dedicates they life for a

purpose. These natives need time to open up in

partnership. It is better if Sani and Sukra are both strong (own rashi,

mooltrikona, exaltation.. .). If weak, they can bring sorrow in partnership. Why just partnerships this indicates

coldness in all relation owned by sukra in the chart and karakattavas owned by

sukra. To native or partner, this depends

on placement and lordship.

Maturation of Sani (age of 36) can bring some relief. These natives tend to adopt

traditional values (again, this depends on placement and lordship). Don't

forget that weak Sani brings laziness, dullness, atheism (Guru is neecha in

Makara) etc. etc. Being selfish is also result of this yoga. Of course,

everything stated depends on complete chart. I agree. FYI: this is not for those who didn't

even understand the basics. It is for those who know their basics very well and

looking for something beyond that. If both sukra and shani are strong the

there is nothing native can't achieve with his hard work. If sukra is week but Saturn is strong,

person will show extreme coldness towards the relation owned by sukra. If sukra is strong but Saturn is week,

laziness, dullness, strong desire of merriment and enjoyment are seen in

native. Hard work on enjoyment. That's the way I call it. Dear maja, you are calling this definition being poor.

Seriously, you lack insight.

Then, I again request you to enlighten all of us regarding what exactly Saturn

venus yoga means. Thanks in advance.

To test whether i know something, you are coming up with Puzzles. My question was clear: "Do you think that love

for hard work is strong enough to overpower interest for women in case of these

two natives?" Nothing else. I did not ask you to guess their profession,

eye color, confection size, etc etc etc. I

can also come up with some puzzles for you, to test your knowledge. Are you

good in solving puzzles? Hey, once I

completed one of those with 2000 pieces. I am totally proud of my self!

Whoever, I did cast chart native 2 chart and find out that shastiamsha lagna

should be Scorpio not Sagittarius.

Why? Because vimshottari dash of strong planet must correlate to moola dasha of

strong planet in shastiamsha.

This rectification technique works beautifully and gives results with amazing

accuracy. Hope some brainy people like to discuss potentials of this

technique. One of

those special treats from your great opus of "my ideas", I guess...

haven't you guess work already failed you many a times.

You still like to see more failures. I will not come up with junk and bring

defame to myself.

For example Hitler Lagna vimshottari dasha of yogakaraka Saturn correlate to

Jupiter moola dasha. Jupiter is exalted in shastiamsha.

Anyways, native2 chart clearly shows extremely strong 4th house.

Extremely auspicious childhood(62 to 66), sudasha of cancer where GL,HL,SL

falls, its lord moon is virgottama in many vargas, exalted in d12 did show how

auspicious his 4th house is.

I think it will give very powerful mother, lot of wealth; superb education He had difficulties in finishing high school, but he

graduated eventually. There is curse of Guru in 9th bhava... also, D24 is

absolutely terrible. and native will be interested in

religious learning(as 4L is 9th from itself). Not really... read further.

Now look at 9th lord Jupiter strength. It strong in many vargas. But Jupiter

dasha will start in 2060. He will be

deep under ground by then...

He must be at a very powerful position. He is in financial problems for last 6 years. But before financial

problems occurred, what happened-read further.

Any yes, last but not the least:

Saturn, venus yoga with Jupiter means person will dedicate his life to gain and

spread true knowledge.

9L joining 10L in 9th, person fame will spread beyond borders of his country. He "spread" smuggled oil,

stolen cars and narcotics. His CV is full of criminal affairs. He was not in

powerful position among "colleagues" if this answers some of your

questions above. BTW check what you wrote bellow for Ve-Sa-Ma... Again, I did not ask you to

write novel about his life, I just asked you to say if he is so much occupied

with hard work, that it reduced his interest for women. Rare are those who can guess someone's

entire life scenario only by analyzing chart. You and I don't belong to this

category by any chance. Difference between you and me is that I am aware of it

and saying it openly. Wow, is it so. I am anxious so see such a major failure. ve sa ma shows a brutal criminal or a great soldier. I said this

previously but I was obsessed by the presence of very strong Jupiter, without realizing

that this strong Jupiter dasha will start in 2060. Not in this life time. Even I

didn't see his drekkana. Otherwise such lethal mistake would not have occurred. However, you yourself proved that ve, sa, ma does shows a

criminal. FYI: it's not rare to find people who can predict accurately. I

am fortunate enough to know a few.

// ve sa ke shows a tapasavi or territories.

ve sa ma shows a brutal criminal or a great soldier.

ve sa me shows mathematician, logicians of great caliber.

Really? In every chart? In any Bhava? //

That's a very very naÃƒÂ¯ve question. Naturally, one will experience good result

of any yoga if planets involved are strong and well placed. That just show how

experienced you really are. )))) Excuse me, I was not the one who tried to justify fact from

someone's life with few yogas, without analyzing their position from Lg, LL, AL, Ch... Sorry for offending your self.

Every yoga, every planetary placement has a unique meaning. One will never be

able to predict anything if he consider all the 7 planets together and if he

consider all the laganas together Lg, PakaLagan,

AL,

VL, NavamshaL, SL,moonL, SuryaL, DashaL, KarakamasL, SuamsaL etc etc... If one doesn't understand basic nature of a yoga, he can't

predict anything.

//Regarding raman maharashi,

parivartan between 6th and 7th is the cause of him being away from women. This

is the reason of his celibacy.

DOB: 03rd of October 1979

TOB: 19:02

POB: Zagreb, Croatia; 15 E 58, 45

N 58

Time zone 01h East of GMT

Gender: female

Friend of mine. She is definitely not a celibate. So you see, this is not

enough to make one a celibate.//

Its parivartan and neeach bhang together, just not

parivertan.

Moreover,

Mercury in 7th give multiple relationships. It is accepted by Saturn and

mars(two malefic). I will not say anything more than that. It's clearly visible

to experienced eyes. Hope you have some. I made some comments related to this chart few

paragraphs above.

Their are many thing one should see before coming to a conclusion. So, why are you focusing on

only few of them? I

am focusing on the yoga being discussed. Should I focus on yoga not being

discussed? Is that what you want? Sorry but, is everything alright with you? But parivartan shows strongest relationship between the planets.

and is quite conclusive in most of the cases.

// parivatran between 6th and 4th is the cause of him leaving all

happiness for the pursuit of higher reasons. "Higher reasons" are

related with 6th bhava? Since when? Reference for this statement, please!//

And here we are:

parivatran between 6th and 4th is the cause of him leaving all happiness.

Second time: there

is no parivartana between 4th and 6th bhava. This is my comment I would like to correct, but I

will do it few more inches bellow. good for you.

That is what it means. For reasons there are other 7 planets

waiting for you to look at them as well. When explaining effects of one yoga, one should not

reach for other grahas not included in this yoga. Basics... yes, this one yoga means what I have said and now I

will see another major yoga in the chart and try to understand what both of

then signifies together. It's also basicâ€¦ that's the way we astrologers predictâ€¦

that's the way we astrologers comes to some conclusionsâ€¦

these kind of yoga shows person leaving his home for conquest. like a king gone

for war.

// You see, parivartana applies only for bhavas occupied with grahas in

exchange. In this chart that would be 6th and 7th bhava, meaning that there is

very strong link between these bhavas, so Sani/Guru yoga (Brahma Yoga) will be

related to 6th and 7th bhava.Ãƒâ€š As far as other bhavas lorded by Guru and

Sani, exchange is only on level of lordship and applied intelligence in context

of Bhava signification. //

That just show how experienced you really are. You even don't know rahu is

colord of Aquarius. Sure that this is my first time to read about dual lordship for Kumbha.

Thank you for opening my eyes! Bow to your lotus feet! Where would I be without

you I wonder... You are quite funnyâ€¦ First and second time I was saying that there is no parivartana between

4th and 6th bhava, Ramana Maharishi's chart was not in front of me. I memorize

charts easily, so I relied on this. When you said "parivartana between 4th

and 6th", Sani/Guru and Kanya lagna flashed in my mind and I thought

you were aiming on this. Coincidentally, these are also lords of 4th and 6th

bhava, so I thought you were making mistake. Yesterday I read your email with

this comment "you don't even know Rahu is colord of Aquarius". I was

thinking "Yeah, whatever..." , as I had no idea where this conclusion

came from, and decided to leave it on "I actually have no idea what is

dual lordship". Then maybe you would not use those words unless you had a reason, so I

opened his chart. Yes, I've noticed Rahu's placement. This is misunderstanding due to my mistake. My apologies for bothering

you with this (these) parivartana( s). That's alrightâ€¦ but this is really worst silly mistake one can do. //Please

note that Malefics are of Tamas Guna. (Are you familiar with Guna chakra?) How

in the world could they ever increase Rajas? In 3rd, 6th and 11th where from,

lagna, AL, Chandra, Navamsha lagna...???? //

You are familiar with Guna charka. How very fortunate you are.

According to you Malefic can't increase rajo guna. Not acording to me, according

to Guna chakra. Are you sure? 100% sure that Ketu will not

increase rajas. Mangal and Sani also. As far as Rahu... well you said it can

not destroy Satva, so I can not continue with explanation. However, here you

skipped answering question on positions. I will come to that, first discuss so many other

things. // I

do believe and experienced in charts that venus in 3ld does make one lustful.

But in the above chart as venus is at zero degrees it will give effect as being

in 2nd and 3ld both houses.

Allow me some assistance here: Graha can be either in 2nd or 3rd, NOT in 2nd

and 3rd at the same time. Graha being in rashi/ bhava sandhi or Gandanta, that

is a different story (and there is interpretation for results ofÃƒâ€š such

placement. Ever read BPHS?)//

Forget about gandatha, everyone can read it in Bphs. Yes, rashi sandhi(is that

what you call it. ), tell me the related verses in Bphs.

Are you talking about these verses:

Ch 45 verse 4.

Results. One fourth, half, full, negligible and nil are the grades of the

results, due to a Grah in infant, youthful, adolescent, old and dead

Avasthas.

These verses didn't talk about rashi sandhi. Also same sage also said that moon

is exalted in first 3 degrees in Taurus. So he definitely didn't mean what you

have interpreted. No.

What I was aiming at was within range of one pada (03deg. 20min) or one

navamsha on each side of rashi junction. Between browsing through chaos of My

Documents in my computer to find where I was reading about this and saying

"Oops" for stating that it is included in BPHS somewhere along

Gandanta, I rather choose to say "Oops". (You are free to label me as

lazy and suffering dementia. Go on right ahead)However,

if you ever read Bphs, then that's good. Come up with the necessary verses for

rashi sandhi. Eagerly waiting for your response.

Forget it. These things do happen during bad antardasha. If you are saying 3 deg 20min, then I would comeup with 100 of

charts to show that rashi sandhi concept is incorrect. Its just 48 minutes, 2

ghatika, correct yourself. Anyways, Let's discuss few charts. Jawaharlal Nehru. Sun at 0 degrees in scorpio, vishaka

nakshatra. Sun vimshottari dasha from 1932 -1938 Wiki says: When the British

promulgated the Government of India Act 1935, the Congress Party decided to

contest elections. Nehru stayed out of the elections, but campaigned vigorously

nationwide for the party. The Congress formed governments in almost every

province, and won the largest number of seats in the Central Assembly. Nehru

was elected to the Congress presidency in 1936, 1937, and 1946, and came to

occupy a position in the nationalist movement second only to that of Gandhi. Now how can sun in rashi sandhi give

good result? Kindly explain. Prathiba patil. 12th and

current President of India. Jupiter- Saturn vimshottari dasha 2004

-2007. She was governor of Rajasthan during

2004-2007. Wiki says: In November 2004, eight

years after she had completed her term in the 10th Lok Sabha, Pratibha Patil was

recalled from political hibernation to become the first woman Governor of Rajasthan. She was the second politician from Maharashtra in this post, the first

being Vasantdada Patil. With Pratibha Patil as

Governor, Rajasthan had women in three significant positions of power in the

state, including Chief Minister Vasundhara Raje and Assembly Speaker Sumitra Singh. Her Saturn is at 0 degrees Aquarius. How can Saturn is rashi sandhi gives

power. In fact according to your rationale, it must destroy 10th and

11th house it owns. Kindly explain. At the time being, I have only this

article to offer, but I repeat again, I am not sure if this is the only source

I was using: http://sarbani. com/index. php?option= com_content & view=article & id=6:bhava-and- rashi-sandhis & catid=7:basics & Itemid=14 Other then the above article, I have read few more sjc articles regarding

this. Still I am quite sure and confident about what I am saying.

// Secondly, as far as what I understand benefices in 3, 6 from AL give an image

of a person who don't like to fight and is calm.

Malefic in same position give an image of a person who is always ready to fight

and create nuisance.

Please do tell me, how do you define "AL giving

image"?//

O that's means my above statements are incorrect. Be kind enough to correct me.

No I will not

correct you, as I don't have anything to correct. You did not write anything on

how you define Al giving image. If you have written something, and if this

definition would be correct, you would not have need to ask that question

you've asked. Alright, let me give you something. See AL

is maya associated with the native. Position of planets from, AL

creates an imaginary world which people see and which might be true or false

based on planetary position from lagana. For example benefices in 3ld from AL

give strong coborns, gives large muscles. But will once younger coborn help him

is seem from 3ld from lagana. How much power those large muscles has is seen

from 3ld from lagana. If there are malefic in 3ld from AL

it will give petty muscle, week or no younger brothers. But malefic in 3ld form

lagana can give tremendous power in those petty muscles. Similarly, understand for the other houses. I can write for all

the houses if time permits in near future.

// My only question is can't we have a saint who have an above mentioned bad

image?

Your questions:

Even i should also ask what is a definition of saints.

2. is one who do tapa to gain higher knowledge is a saint.

3. or is one who do tapa for mokesha is a saint.

4.or is the one who gives preachings to who one should follws once dharma is a

saint.

5. or is the one who preaches who one can get mokesha is a saint.

My dear Arun, as far as 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5Ãƒâ€š I do believe that you've

chosen a very wrong thread to ask these questions (considering subject of this

thread). Same goes for rest of your email bellow://

If you can't answer these question then may I ask

your gurujis to answer. Can I suggest you a thread for these questions? For example, this one,

title sounds kind of nice: http://groups. / group/srijaganna th/message/ 32858 Good luck in receiving replies

from Gurus!

Dear Maja, I seriously think that nobody has answer to these

questions. Nobody has done significant work to pinpoint different yogas for

different categories and temperament of saints. Please, feel free to correct me

if I am wrong. And yes, I have one question for you which I think that

you might answer. In one of the thread I asked one of gurujis to answer what is

result of parivertan between trik lords. But he didn't answer. My question is clear: What is the result of Parivartana between 6th

and 8th ? What is the result of Parivartana between 8th

and 12th ? What is the result of Parivartana between 6th

and 8th ? What is the result of Parivartana between 3ld

and 6th or 3ld or 8th or 3ld and 12th? What if these lords are week and what if these lords are

strong? Can you answer that?

Jai shree Ram, Krishn.

Arun.

February 10, 2010

Dear All,

Was trying to follow the discussion. Saw one line and felt like commenting. Nothing related to Jyotish, but more about perspective and history.

Was Mahatma Gandhi born in your country and how did Indian people won independence?

Without being disparaging of Gandhiji's contribution, let me respectfully suggest that India won it's independence more due to a combination of reasons afflicting the erstwhile Empire, rather than fasts and morchas by Indians.

Please continue with the discussions. Consider this to be a mere non-jyotish digression.

-Regards

Rajarshi

Rama Naama Satya Hai..--- On Wed, 10/2/10, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro wrote:

Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastroRe: [Om Krishna Guru] [soHamsa] Re: Question about Ve in 3rd from AL (Rafalji) Date: Wednesday, 10 February, 2010, 3:54 PM

Om Gurave NamahDear Arun, namasteI think we did not use this font color. Correction, of course Small one. Search it bellow.Warm regards,Maja Å trbac--- On Tue, 2/9/10, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:

Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >Re: [Om Krishna Guru] [soHamsa] Re: Question about Ve in 3rd from AL (Rafalji)Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 2:04 PM

Om Gurave NamahDear Arun, namasteWe are having small problem in our dialogue. That is: 1. Most of the times I have to ask you same question at least twice.2. You are answering some of my questions by using what I write.3. You are asking additional questions hardly related to what we previously discussed, without answering my questions first.If this continues in your next email, I will consider this dialogue huge waste of my time. By then, I will use this opportunity to try to bring our conversation back to right track. If it doesn't work, my next reply will be only: "It was nice talking to you. My very best wishes in your further learning!". I hope this is fair enough, I am just expecting reciprocity, that is all.When I asked you to list out criteria which you are using when determining combustion, I had a jaw drop when I read this:Do you have any good astrological software? Well then use it to decide whether a planet is combust or not. Let software owner decide whether that planet is combust or not. And only get into this if you feel software is incorrect.Are you sure you want to leave this as your final answer? I mean... "Let software owner decide". Sounds kind of... your reference is software owner, not a book or Guru. Since I've noticed you are using my words many times by now, I have a reason to demand you to be the first who will list criteria (since combustion makes 1/3 of your argument for Tesla's chart), explanation of combustion, definition of "destroyed" when graha is combusted. I can't wait to read it. These were your final answers on Tesla's chart:Why tesla didn't have

women in his life?Here are the reasons:1. 7th lord combust.2. venus combust. 3. 6L joining 7L. 4. UL in 12th.5. 7th from venus is in 12th.6. In navamsha venus moved in 8th accepted by 8th lord mars and is helmed between malefic.You also said "In rashi venus lords 2nd and 7th, both of them are destroyed because of venus being combust with

sun." (BTW when saying this "both bhavas", are you familiar with procedure for determining which of these two lordships is crucial?)And then you said: Sukra is one of the criteria but not at all the only criteria.Okay, those above were the only reasons you listed out. Now I am forced to go further with one more example, just because it almost completely fits to this description above (there is not just combustion, as you prefer multiple factors):July 17th 1984.17:49 PM21 E 20, 43 N 35. Time zone 02h East of GMT. Female.You will notice that her 7th lord Sukra is combusted and that UL lord is in 12th as well as lord of 7th from Sukra. Sukra in Navamsha is in 8th, severely afflicted. She is married (partner is from abroad). Now I consider my brother's chart useless, since you insist on multiple factors. Here they are.

Enjoy.Now you see, by using "one dimensional" criteria (namely software owner) to determine combustion, you are missing crucial in this phenomenon. If you would study deeply what is combustion, you would understand why benefic graha drishti or yuti would not make significant difference for it. So, please, do not say that in this chart above Budh can relief combustion (to which extent? How to determine this degree of relief which is between canceling destruction and destroyed?), as I will declare that as a very poor excuse for lacking with knowledge.Another thing, you said that in Tesla's chart both 2nd and 7th bhava are destroyed because Sukra is combust by Surya. 2nd bhava is left eye, so one would expect some physical damage here. He had very healthy eyes. In fact, he died at the age of 86, and he never even wore eyeglasses, as younger or older. Another thing related to Sukra, and this has a lot to do with Digchakra, is gift of

visualization. Tesla had extremely powerful one. This was of most importance for his way of work on inventions. "Exactly, it means that one wife is far away and not easily accessible. Hope you got the point. It also means that once women will live away from him during relivent dasha, antardasha."This was for your argument No6. It was added after I elaborated what it means (I recognize lot of my words here). However, playing with words will not make this an argument. It would make sense to use this as argument in case if he was ever actually looking for a wife, girlfriend, or anything related to partnership (which is not the case). Also, note that he lived in USA, and he was born in southeast Europe. In simple numbers this would be approximately 7 000km.I was saying:My question would

begin with broken pravraja yoga which includes relevant lordships for celibacy, placed in 7th from UL (badhak), well placed from Lagnesh and AK... in karma bhava from Ch also... But these are just initial thoughts on concept of my question.And your comment was:And yes pravraja yoga, did you even tries to look at the factor which decides potency of sexual organs in his chart. Perhaps if you had, your question might be different.Question was not refereed to you. Also, I said "My question would begin with...". I did not say "My question would begin and end with...". Potency of sexual organs was hardly the reason why Tesla decided to live in celibacy. Please read his biography again. If

you do find that this was the reason, we can discuss this further.Few points from our discussion on Tesla:Please do have forgiveness in your heart for this old man, as he was reading Vedanta too much, which influenced his criteria for metaphysics and science. Mathematical grab that fascinates, beggar clothed in purple. Don't overlook that.

Ha.ha.. perhaps tesla was trikala drasta and he knew that this work of relativity will eventually be used to create a bomb. So he rightly abuses it. No, this was not his reason. This was also one of his critics on relativity:

"I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties. He has not, but only attributes and these are of our own making. Of properties we can only speak when dealing with matter filling the space. To say that in the presence of large bodies space becomes curved is equivalent to stating that something can act upon nothing. I, for one, refuse to to such a view"

Please pay closer attention on description of God up there. Sounds familiar? By the time he made this statement, he was already introduced to Swami Vivekananda. The two of them had some very fruitful discussions on correlation between science and Vedanta. Ever since Tesla's continued with research on this correlation and his work in following years was very much inspired with these conclusions. If this quotation above is not enough to support this statement, here is one more quotation on Tesla:

"Long ago (I) recognized that all perceptible matter comes from primary substance, of a tenuity beyond conception and filling all space--the Akasha or luminiferous ether--which is acted upon by the life giving Prana or creative force, calling into existence, in never ending cycles, all things and phenomena. The primary substance, thrown into infinitesimal whirls of prodigious velocity, becomes gross matter; the force subsiding, the motion ceases and matter disappears, reverting to the primary substance."

You see, there were few phases of relativity theory throughout history. Einstein finished his contribution to relativity with General Relativity theory. As it was very hard to fit gravity and electromagnetism to this theory, the only way for Einstein was to use static universe model. By now in modern physics this model was abounded few times and all results could shortly sum up in this:

http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Big_Bang

Where you can read short history of all models of Universe used so far, critics, divided opinions etc. etc. etc. By nowadays particles traveling faster than the speed of light were also found. Yet, matter, energy, space and time (E = mc2) are still very hard to fit with Gravity and Electromagnetism (both having qualities of Akash). Perhaps because in model of Universe there are important factors missing in these 5 elements of physical existence-God and on the other hand: destruction- creation- destruction- creation- destruction- creation of physical aspects of manifested universe dependently on Brahma's day and night (and entire manifested universe destruction occurs with his death) . But is it not beautiful that modern science had no other way but to develop expanding model of Universe (Bug Bang theory)? Hm... "Karanodaksayi Vishnu who produces innumerable universes that start as seed and expand as they float above the causal ocean..." Nice. Scientists are on right track.

Coming back to Einstein, this long story is there to make a point that General Relativity theory was corrected by experts many times by now, but its contribution lies in fact that it was starting point for many other theories. As you can read, it is not accepted as final word on Universe.

Tesla, on the other hand was obsessed with field theories and ether and worked on developing dynamic theory of Gravity.

Though argues on who is right and who is wrong (Tesla or Einstein) is still very much active among nowadays scientist...

Tesla was a little bit more focused on practical work supported with theory, so he developed AC (alternating current) system of power supply (the one which is making possible this communication between you and me, among else), wireless communication (at the time radio) among else... also don't forget "He ripped up a Westinghouse contract that would have made him the world's first billionaire, in part because of the implications it would have on his future vision of free power, and in part because it would run Westinghouse out of business, and Tesla had no desire to deal with the creditors." All interest he had in his work was for the benefit of humanity, not for his own benefit.

You used only one paragraph to declare Tesla as abusive spoken. In upper class society circles of New York during late 19th century Tesla was known as soft spoken gentleman always dining in his white gloves.

On a deep thought, well these bombs do seem to be noble because they stop many small wars between the super powers. Threat of nuclear bomb does have stopped many wars. These bombs will kill all of us one day, but till that day comes, we can live in prosperity because of these bombs. Bombs being noble? Was Mahatma Gandhi born in your country and how did Indian people won independence?And as we are talking about Einstein, check venus, Saturn, mercury, sun yoga in his 10th house. Remember, I said venus, Saturn, mercury yoga produce great mathematicians. Again to avoid confusion no your part, I should clarify that planet involved should be strong.Good, we avoided confusion, you avoided answering my question on those two charts

containing this very same yoga (one is 13th of November 1982 and another is February 5th 1962, search full data in previous posts). Here you can show me how this yoga works in charts of Tesla and Einstein, does it work in charts of these two natives and why. Use all multiple factors you would like. If you don't point me the difference, I have no other choice but to say that this claim you are making is under huge question mark. You also never answered if natives 13th November 1982 and 27th November 1960 are replacing women with their love towards hard work due to Sani yuti with Sukra. I will repeat again (3rd time) that I am asking you to answer this simple question, not asking you to write a novel about their lives. But as you were saying for native 27th November 1960:

ve sa ma shows a brutal criminal or a great soldier. I said this previously but I was obsessed by the presence of very strong Jupiter, without realizing that this strong Jupiter dasha will start in 2060. Not in this life time. Even I didn't see his drekkana. Otherwise such lethal mistake would not have occurred.However, you yourself proved that ve, sa, ma does shows a criminal.I asked you a question if native born on February 5th 1962 is brutal criminal. You never answered. In your statement above I am again having impression that you are using only Yoga it self without analyzing its position and integrating it in rest of the chart... Is this impression wrong?

This is misunderstanding due to my mistake. My apologies for bothering you with this (these) parivartana( s).That's alrightâ€¦ but this is really worst silly mistake one can do.Is it? Oh, I will survive for not opening that chart. What about giving statement that Sa/Sk/Ma can show brutal criminal and completely miss it in chart (with giving excuse on looking at strong Jupiter). See, mistake happens to anyone for this or that reason. Other than this you also said that 5th bhava is related to past (poorly correcting it with "Blessings from previous life which will fructify in future in form of son, creativity, authority etc." This resembles of logic used for 9th bhava, which shows how our previous actions are influencing blessings in form of bhagya in

this life. However, do some counting where from 9th bhava becomes 10th and then count from that bhava to 5th). You also said: parivatran between 6th and 4th is the cause of him leaving all happiness for the pursuit of higher reasons. If happiness (comforts maybe) is related to 4th bhava, this leaves me no other option but to make a conclusion that you are considering 6th bhava as higher reasons. And in your next email you said only parivatran between 6th and 4th is the cause of him leaving all happiness. That is what it means. Without including "higher reasons" in analyzing this parivartana. Now... would you like to choose between these two statements?Venus is love and Saturn is hard work. It means love for hard

work.BTW if you are trying to apply it in Tesla's chart, didn't you say that "love" is destroyed as Sukra is combusted? How could he love anything in that case, including hard work? My dear not just venus but 5th lord also shows love and devotion. When 5th lord and venus both joins is double bonanza, its more powerful.So 5th lord destroying Sukra by combusting it, is making Sukra more powerful in context of love and devotion? Is this what you are saying? Or to extend it with your other words:When strong lord Is Surya indeed strong

in 3rd bhava? of this house joins another planet, it will definitely create love, affection, insight towards the karakatatvas of the planet it is joining. Even if "burning" them in combustion?And you replied with:

Jotisha is not that straight forward. Anything which is bad from one perspective might be good from another perspective. Just like in theory of relativity, perspective mattes in jotisha too. Basic rules of nature are universally applicable, perhaps if we apply them with correct perspective.Here you are flown by just one rule of combustion. How can you ignore the other rule? The rule that 5th lord is the lord of prosperity, creativity etc, etcâ€¦.So creativity, prosperity, devotion (5th lord Surya) is ruining (combustion) his love for hard work (Sani/Sukra) , right? Now you are including relativity here... What is relative about it? Saying that Surya will selectively destroy some aspects of Sukra 7th and 2nd lord (wife and soft speach as you said) and other will leave

untouched, right (love and devotion for hard work)? And then you extended this with:

However in case of tesla, 5th lord is sun and it has combusted the venus. Union is strong as they are just 3 degrees apart. Malefic have added their harshness to the yoga. Anything which has energy of sun, anything which is fast as mercury, anything which is as deadly as Saturn and anything which is as beautiful combust venus. O Brahmin its electricity.Then I guess you've never heard of that Graha which is all so sudden, fast, deadly and invisible, caches and let goes, exists in every precise little gadget of nowadays, as it signified precise gadgets such as watches in ancient times. Also signifies mathematical ability... It takes only one Graha, "o Brahmin"...Also this about Sukra Sani:

Anyway, Sukra is of Jala tatva (emotions), also related to Bhakti. If joined with Sani, it can result in coldness.

These natives need time to open up in partnership. It is better if Sani and Sukra are both strong (own rashi, mooltrikona, exaltation.. .). If weak, they can bring sorrow in partnership.

To native or partner, this depends on placement and lordship. Maturation of Sani (age of 36) can bring some relief. These natives tend to adopt traditional values (again, this depends on placement and lordship). Don't forget that weak Sani brings laziness, dullness, atheism (Guru is neecha in Makara) etc. etc. Being selfish is also result of this yoga. Of course, everything stated depends on complete chart.

If both sukra and shani are strong the there is nothing native can't achieve with his hard work.

If sukra is week but Saturn is strong, person will show extreme coldness towards the relation owned by sukra.

If sukra is strong but Saturn is week, laziness, dullness, strong desire of merriment and enjoyment are seen in native. Hard work on enjoyment. That's the way I call it.Dear maja, you are calling this definition being poor. Seriously, you lack insight.Once you expanded your poor definition with my writings, it doesn't sound as poor as it used to.As far as Rashi Sandhi and Gandanta you said:If you are saying 3 deg 20min, then I would comeup with 100 of charts to show that rashi sandhi concept is incorrect. Its just 48 minutes, 2 ghatika, correct yourself.Isn't this from correction inspired with BPHS

chapter on Gandanta? Why are you mixing these two now (rashi sandhi and Gandanta)?

http://sarbani. com/index. php?option= com_content & view=article & id=6:bhava-and- rashi-sandhis & catid=7:basics & Itemid=14Other then the above article, I have read few more sjc articles regarding this. Still I am quite sure and confident about what I am saying.Fair enough. In that case my personal decision is to follow SJC Gurus, as they are far more experienced in Jyotish and interpreting classics. I am quite sure and confident in their experience and knowledge.As far as AL:Secondly, as far as what I understand benefices in 3, 6 from AL give an

image of a person who don't like to fight and is calm.Malefic in same position give an image of a person who is always ready to fight and create nuisance.Please do tell me, how do you define "AL giving image"?

See AL is maya associated with the native. Position of planets from, AL creates an imaginary world Where it creates imaginery world? which people see and which might be true or false based on planetary position from lagana true or false in context of what? In context of real or imaginary events? After we finish this discussion on AL I will simply paste you a link for one of my posts on AL. I will not alter a single word to it. But here in this discussion I will not add a single word on correction in order

to avoid you using my words to build up an explanation. For example benefices in 3ld from AL give strong coborns, gives large muscles. Sukra is benefic, and in 3rd/11th from AL it can cancel younger/elder coborns. But will once younger coborn help him is seem from 3ld from lagana. How much power those large muscles has is seen from 3ld from lagana. If there are malefic in 3ld from AL it will give petty muscle, week or no younger brothers On the contrary, Mangal here can give very strong younger brother.. But malefic in 3ld form lagana can give tremendous power in those petty muscles.You had one question:Dear Maja, I seriously think that nobody has answer to these questions. Nobody has done significant work to pinpoint different yogas for different categories and temperament of saints. Please, feel free to correct me if I am wrong.Two words of correction: Sanjay Rath. Search for his posts, articles, books...I just saw this:You: //I also clarify that in my personal experience I have observed that chalit chart gives incorrect results.Me:Your personal experience with Chalit Chakra? In

previous email you did not even know how to use it...//You: Because of the virtues given to me by my parents and my cultural heritage, I was taught to be humble and polite. Which you interpret as my ignorance. May lord ram bless you?Daring to clarify that accordingly to your personal experience with something you can't even use gives incorrect results is being humble? As far as your politeness, you did "demonstrate" it in your previous posts very much.My parents simply taught me not to be a hypocrite...Warm regards,Maja Å trbac--- On Sat, 2/6/10, aruninthecity <aruninthecity@ .co. in> wrote:

aruninthecity <aruninthecity@ .co. in>[Om Krishna Guru] [soHamsa] Re: Question about Ve in 3rd from AL (Rafalji)Saturday, February 6, 2010, 5:25 PM

Dear Maja,

jai shree Ram, Krishn,My response is in green. Please don't write in bold letters. It's hard to read. Let's continueâ€¦//In tesla chart venus is badly combust by sun. because of this venus karaktatawas are severely harmed. venus represents women, love in general.Ãƒâ€š Really?DOB: 08th of January 1978TOB: 15:15 PMPOB:Ãƒâ€š Split, Croatia; 16 E 27, 43 N 31Time zone 01h East of GMTThis is my brother's chart. Pay attention on Venus, please. He is married BTW.//Is parivertan between lagana and 7th isn't good enough reason for him getting married. Three benefices in 7th is not good enough. 7th from venus has Jupiter, is that is not a good enough reason.Haven't you taught to see these thing all well in a chart. Speaking of looking and

seeing, which are basic conditions to read correctly, my suggestion was to look at combust Sukra in his chart, and seems like you failed to see that combustion occurs in 7th bhava... Anyway, my point in giving you this example was not to examine his chart and reasons why he married (which I am able to do on my own, thank you) if they are not including explanation on combusted Sukra not destroying "women and love" in this chart. I can even spell my point: T-H-I-S* I-S*N-O-T*E- N-O-U-G-H* T-O*M-A-K- E*O-N-E*A* C-E-L-I-B- A-T-E!

Did I ever say that sukra is the only criteria to judge whether one will marry or not. I didn't but you presume. I just advice you to not guess so much, you see all you guess have failed. It just doesn't work for you. Why don't you confirm first before making an assumption.

Sukra is one of the criteria but not at all the only criteria.

His venus is combust. Is hard for him to fall in love and he will feel neglected in love. Sorry, but this is not the case.Though these result will not be intense because of many benefices are associating with it. Benefics can not cancel combustion (Especially not Amavasya Chandra!). It is very specific dosa, it is not like dristi of malefics forming a curse (Saapa), for example, where drishti of benefic can be of help.Again, did I say that it cancel combustion, I just said that benefices mellow down the bad result of sukra. Regarding amavasya moon, yes you are

correct but here also beneficial accept, conjunction does mellow down bad result.

As UL contains mars indicates his wife being aggressive. No she is not. Also he will have some relationship problem with his father. This is correct.Why tesla didn't have women in his life?Here are the reasons:1. 7th lord combust.2. venus combust. 3. 6L joining 7L.

Please look at female chart I gave you (3rd October 1979...) 6th and 7th lord in parivartana, combust Sukra 7th lord.

4. UL in 12th. UL can not possibly fall in 12th house... typing mistake, its UL lord in 12.5. 7th from venus is in 12th. Meaning that he can meet his wife somewhere abroad I have one example, but every time I give you an example, you think I am puzzling you, testing you and expecting you say

something more about native in order to prove your knowledge. That is really not the case. Just illustrating your statements.. .

Exactly, it means that one wife is far away and not easily accessible. Hope you got the point. It also means that once women will live away from him during relivent dasha, antardasha.

And to avoid any confusion on your part, I again says that it is one of the criteria not the only criteria to decide whether once women has to leave.

6. In navamsha venus moved in 8th accepted by 8th lord mars and is helmed between malefic. You should really see Sukra in Swami Vivekananda' s navamsha...its exalted in 5th house, then what?

Is these reasons are enough? Nope... You see, when I gave you birth details for Tesla's chart, I was really expecting you will ask questions to other learned members, since you showed some enthusiasm for the subject (I was sort of lazy those days). I was hoping I will not have to include further in this thread except for reading replies (if there is any decent reply worth reading). But you referred to me... So here we are (by now I am bored to death). Honestly, if I would ask a question why he decided to live in celibacy, you would be the last on the list of people who I would refer to. No offense, please, I am just picky when it comes to knowledge. My question would begin with broken pravraja yoga which includes relevant lordships for celibacy, placed in 7th from UL (badhak), well placed from Lagnesh and AK... in karma bhava from Ch also... But these are just initial thoughts on concept of my question.

O I am also very picky about knowledge, I will only pick whatever seems logical and scientific irrespective of the person who is passing the knowledge.

And yes pravraja yoga, did you even tries to look at the factor which decides potency of sexual organs in his chart. Perhaps if you had, your question might be different.

And yes "Really?", what do you mean by this? Exactly what are you trying to prove by using the word really? Asking a question... You do see a question mark added to "really"?It did sound unpleasant. Anyways, leave it.

//as stated in wiki tesla was known for his abusive speeches regarding other scientists.Ãƒâ€š Please copy paragraph containing this line from Wikipedia and paste it in your next email. I would love to read it in one piece. Especially this word "abusive".//Can't you simply open wiki and read it. I am familiar with every word written about Tesla on Wikipedia long before you and I started to exchange emails. and what is got to do with the discussion?anyways , here it is://Tesla was critical of Einstein's relativity work, calling it:Magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory

is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king ... its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists./ /

Ah, good, there is no word "abusive" in this paragraph. Case closed. There is no point in keeping it opened. So close be it.

Is this not abusive? You are entitled to your opinion, of course. Opinion is something different than "as stated in Wikipedia" There are ways to be critical. Above one fall in worst category. If one is using such words for "theory of relativity", I can't imagine what words he would use to describe other theories. Please do have forgiveness in your heart for this old man, as he was reading Vedanta too much, which influenced his criteria for metaphysics and science. Mathematical grab that

fascinates, beggar clothed in purple. Don't overlook that.

BTW nuclear bomb is fruit of relativity theory...Though poor Einstein won Nobel's prize for photoelectric effect. Can you believe this injustice?

Ha.ha.. perhaps tesla was trikala drasta and he knew that this work of relativity will eventually be used to create a bomb. So he rightly abuses it.

On a deep thought, well these bombs do seem to be noble because they stop many small wars between the super powers. Threat of nuclear bomb does have stopped many wars. These bombs will kill all of us one day, but till that day comes, we can live in prosperity because of these bombs.

And as we are talking about Einstein, check venus, Saturn, mercury, sun yoga in his 10th house. Remember, I said venus, Saturn, mercury yoga produce great mathematicians. Again to avoid confusion no your part, I should clarify that planet involved should be strong.

//in a 1937 interview, he stated:... man's new sense of pity began to interfere with the ruthless workings of nature. The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct .... The trend of opinion among eugenists is that we must make marriage more difficult. Certainly no one who is not a desirable parent should be permitted to produce progeny. A century from now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically unfit than to marry a habitual criminal.//

This sounds creepy, honestly. A clear case of venus combust with malefic. But there is a benefic Budh to pull it out of combustion, right?

Budh with malefic will behaves as malefic. Reff bphs.

In your brother chat, venus will not give extremely bad result, only because its is with benefices and accepted by benefices. "Accepted"? If we exclude Amavasya Chandra, this is leaving only Budh. Coincidentally, Budh is only benefic with Tesla's Sukra as well...

What about Jupiter accepting at its own sign. And when there is a parivertan between two kenkra house and both planets being benefic, what else can get bigger then this. O I just saw this mercury is in gandath. Lagana lord and 4th lord is in gandatha. I think it indicate some problem in his ability to learn and express.

But it's definitely very week being combust. Open Bphs, if you have any doubts regarding this.Parashara clearly said if futile to check the strength of planet in other vargas if it is combust, defeated in war, in bad avastha like sayan. What he clearly did not say anywhere is that other benefics joined with combust graha can improve situation. This has no logic. If Graha is near combust graha, this means that it might be "burned" as well... As far as drishti, how helpful can it be? Benefic with desire (drishti) to pour some water?

O yes they will mellow down the bad result. It is very basic and absolutely logical.

Recently your brother has completed moon dasha. Its 2nd, UL, A6, A11 lord.

Is he or his wife suffering from some disease of long lasting nature. Exactly what are the problem your brother is facing? Kindly elaborate.// In rashi venus lords 2nd and 7th, both of them are destroyed because of venus being combust with sun.Ãƒâ€š Can you list criteria you were using to determine combustion of Sukra? Define "destroyed", please.//Is venus not combust by your criteria? There are various types of combustion.. . BTW you did not define "destroyed"...// However as sun is 5th lord, this union has created love and superb insight for electricity. Since when Surya has anything to do with electricity (or combust Sukra? Or 5th lord?)?????? ??????? Reference for this statement, please!//Is it hard to understand?5th house is:House of creativity,House of intelligence, House of love, *sort of, something more like bhakti, more resembles of your statement bellow:House of devotion,

House of insights,

I absolutely agree on everything you wrote above.

House of blessing from previous life. Except for this. 5th Bhava is future. Blessings from previous life which will fructify in future in form of son, creativity, authority etc.

Sorry. BTW where is electricity? I did not ask you to list 5th bhava signification. I specifically asked you for reference on electricity related to 5th bhava. Are you sure you can read well?

O yes I can read very well. Well then again I have to say:

Is it hard to understand? Let me try to make it easier for you.

See when 5th lord joins sukra it will create love, affection towards nature, flowers, beauty, women(in positive sense), paintings, art, acting, musical instruments.

If malefic is accepting (desire) or joining then they will add its harshness to the yoga.

However in case of tesla, 5th lord is sun and it has combusted the venus. Union is strong as they are just 3 degrees apart. Malefic have added their harshness to the yoga.

Anything which has energy of sun, anything which is fast as mercury, anything which is as deadly as Saturn and anything which is as beautiful combust venus. O Brahmin its electricity.

Does it sounds poetic, it is the best and correct way to learn astrology. There is nothing in this world which can not be classified by the above mentioned poetic rhyme.

When strong lord Is Surya indeed strong in 3rd bhava? of this house joins another planet, it will definitely create love, affection, insight towards the karakatatvas of the planet it is joining. Even if "burning" them in combustion?

Jotisha is not that straight forward. Anything which is bad from one perspective might be good from another perspective. Just like in theory of relativity, perspective mattes in jotisha too. Basic rules of nature are universally applicable, perhaps if we apply them with correct perspective.

Here you are flown by just one rule of combustion. How can you ignore the other rule? The rule that 5th lord is the lord of prosperity, creativity etc, etcâ€¦.

Perhaps, you are the one who is saying that one should focus on all the perspectives. And now you yourself is focusing on just one perspective of combustion and declaring that all other perspective doesn't matterâ€¦

I though you said they are destroyed... *plural, exactly, Sani is also combusted. **That is-if the only criteria you are using is "close to Sun"

Do you have any good astrological software? Well then use it to decide whether a planet is combust or not. Let software owner decide whether that planet is combust or not. And only get into this if you feel software is incorrect.Do you think that I am incorrect? O then please corrects me. Hope you come up with superior intelligence and enlighten me. Please, spare me from your attempts of using sarcasm... I prefer quality.So do I, what where it is? I am just clarifying you that you

have made lot of incorrect guesses. I am sorry but, I will again say it, come up with superior intelligence, superior questions, superior answers. It's just to motivate you. To get most out of this discussion.

//venus saturn yoga always shows that person will dedicated his life to a cause or purpose.Venus is love and Saturn is hard work. it means love for hard work.Ah, interesting logic....Ãƒâ€š Can you please apply it on following two charts and tell me what these natives are doing with their life:Native 1:DOB: 13th of November 1982TOB: 11 30 AMPOB: Belgrade, Serbia; 20 E 30, 44 N 50Time zone 01h East of GMTGender: maleNative 2:DOB: 27th of November 1960TOB: 14: 58 PMPOB: 21 E 06, 43 N 08, Time zone 01h East of GMTGender: maleDo you think that love for hard work is strong enough to overpower interest for women in case of these two natives?//Venus is love and Saturn is hard work. It means love for hard work. Is it incorrect? This is the poorest definition of

this yoga I've ever read in my entire life (it is not incorrect).It is the best and absolutely accurate definition of this yoga. BTW if you are trying to apply it in Tesla's chart, didn't you say that "love" is destroyed as Sukra is combusted? How could he love anything in that case, including hard work? My dear not just venus but 5th lord also shows love and devotion. When 5th lord and venus both joins is double bonanza, its more powerful.

Anyway, Sukra is of Jala tatva (emotions), also related to Bhakti. If joined with Sani, it can result in coldness.

Sukra is jala tattava and Saturn is vayu tattava both are friendly towards each other. However as sukra represents jala tattava and Saturn represents shishir ritu, it does create coldness, it does take native away from worldly repercussions and dedicates they life for a purpose.

These natives need time to open up in partnership. It is better if Sani and Sukra are both strong (own rashi, mooltrikona, exaltation.. .). If weak, they can bring sorrow in partnership.

Why just partnerships this indicates coldness in all relation owned by sukra in the chart and karakattavas owned by sukra.

To native or partner, this depends on placement and lordship. Maturation of Sani (age of 36) can bring some relief. These natives tend to adopt traditional values (again, this depends on placement and lordship). Don't forget that weak Sani brings laziness, dullness, atheism (Guru is neecha in Makara) etc. etc. Being selfish is also result of this yoga. Of course, everything stated depends on complete chart.

I agree.

FYI: this is not for those who didn't even understand the basics. It is for those who know their basics very well and looking for something beyond that.

If both sukra and shani are strong the there is nothing native can't achieve with his hard work.

If sukra is week but Saturn is strong, person will show extreme coldness towards the relation owned by sukra.

If sukra is strong but Saturn is week, laziness, dullness, strong desire of merriment and enjoyment are seen in native. Hard work on enjoyment. That's the way I call it.

Dear maja, you are calling this definition being poor. Seriously, you lack insight.

Then, I again request you to enlighten all of us regarding what exactly Saturn venus yoga means. Thanks in advance.To test whether i know something, you are coming up with Puzzles. My question was clear: "Do you think that love for hard work is strong enough to overpower interest for women in case of these two natives?" Nothing else. I did not ask you to guess their profession, eye color, confection size, etc etc etc. I can also come up with some puzzles for you, to test your knowledge. Are you good in solving puzzles? Hey, once I completed one of those with 2000 pieces. I am totally proud of my self!Whoever, I did cast chart native 2 chart and find out that shastiamsha lagna should be Scorpio not Sagittarius.Why? Because vimshottari dash of strong planet must correlate to moola dasha of strong planet in shastiamsha.This rectification technique works beautifully and gives results with amazing accuracy. Hope some brainy people like to discuss potentials of this technique. One of those special treats from your great opus of "my ideas", I guess...haven't you guess work already failed you many a times. You still like to see more failures. I will not come up with junk and bring defame to myself.For example Hitler Lagna vimshottari dasha of yogakaraka Saturn correlate to Jupiter moola dasha. Jupiter is exalted in shastiamsha.Anyways, native2 chart clearly shows extremely strong 4th house.

Extremely auspicious childhood(62 to 66), sudasha of cancer where GL,HL,SL falls, its lord moon is virgottama in many vargas, exalted in d12 did show how auspicious his 4th house is. I think it will give very powerful mother, lot of wealth; superb education He had difficulties in finishing high school, but he graduated eventually. There is curse of Guru in 9th bhava... also, D24 is absolutely terrible. and native will be interested in religious learning(as 4L is 9th from itself). Not really... read further.Now look at 9th lord Jupiter strength. It strong in

many vargas. But Jupiter dasha will start in 2060. He will be deep under ground by then...He must be at a very powerful position. He is in financial problems for last 6 years. But before financial problems occurred, what happened-read further.Any yes, last but not the least:Saturn, venus yoga with Jupiter means person will dedicate his life to gain and spread true knowledge.9L joining 10L in 9th, person fame will spread beyond borders of his country.

He "spread" smuggled oil, stolen cars and narcotics. His CV is full of criminal affairs. He was not in powerful position among "colleagues" if this answers some of your questions above. BTW check what you wrote bellow for Ve-Sa-Ma... Again, I did not ask you to write novel about his life, I just asked you to say if he is so much occupied with hard work, that it reduced his interest for women.

Rare are those who can guess someone's entire life scenario only by analyzing chart. You and I don't belong to this category by any chance. Difference between you and me is that I am aware of it and saying it openly.

Wow, is it so. I am anxious so see such a major failure.

ve sa ma shows a brutal criminal or a great soldier. I said this previously but I was obsessed by the presence of very strong Jupiter, without realizing that this strong Jupiter dasha will start in 2060. Not in this life time. Even I didn't see his drekkana. Otherwise such lethal mistake would not have occurred.

However, you yourself proved that ve, sa, ma does shows a criminal.

FYI: it's not rare to find people who can predict accurately. I am fortunate enough to know a few.

// ve sa ke shows a tapasavi or territories.ve sa ma shows a brutal criminal or a great soldier.ve sa me shows mathematician, logicians of great caliber.Really? In every chart? In any Bhava? //That's a very very naÃƒÂ¯ve question. Naturally, one will experience good result of any yoga if planets involved are strong and well placed. That just show how experienced you really are. )))) Excuse me, I was not the one who tried to justify fact from someone's life with few yogas, without analyzing their position from Lg, LL, AL, Ch... Sorry for offending your self.Every yoga, every planetary placement has a unique meaning. One will never be able to predict anything if he consider all the 7 planets together and if he consider all the laganas together Lg, PakaLagan, AL, VL, NavamshaL, SL,moonL, SuryaL, DashaL, KarakamasL, SuamsaL etc etc...

If one doesn't understand basic nature of a yoga, he can't predict anything.

//Regarding raman maharashi,parivartan between 6th and 7th is the cause of him being away from women. This is the reason of his celibacy.DOB: 03rd of October 1979TOB: 19:02POB: Zagreb, Croatia; 15 E 58, 45 N 58Time zone 01h East of GMTGender: femaleFriend of mine. She is definitely not a celibate. So you see, this is not enough to make one a celibate.//Its parivartan and neeach bhang together, just not parivertan. Moreover,Mercury in 7th give multiple relationships. It is accepted by Saturn and mars(two malefic). I will not say

anything more than that. It's clearly visible to experienced eyes. Hope you have some. I made some comments related to this chart few paragraphs above. Their are many thing one should see before coming to a conclusion. So, why are you focusing on only few of them? I am focusing on the yoga being discussed. Should I focus on yoga not being discussed? Is that what you want? Sorry but, is everything alright with you?

But parivartan shows strongest relationship between the planets. and is quite conclusive in most of the cases.// parivatran between 6th and 4th is the cause of him leaving all happiness for the pursuit of higher reasons. "Higher reasons" are related with 6th bhava? Since when? Reference for this statement, please!//

And here we are:parivatran between 6th and 4th is the cause of him leaving all happiness. Second time: there is no parivartana between 4th and 6th bhava. This is my comment I would like to correct, but I will do it few more inches bellow. good for you.

That is what it means. For reasons there are other 7 planets waiting for you to look at them as well. When explaining effects of one yoga, one should not reach for other grahas not included in this yoga. Basics... yes, this one yoga means what I have said and now I will see another major yoga in the chart and try to understand what both of then signifies together. It's also basicâ€¦ that's the way we astrologers predictâ€¦ that's the way we astrologers comes to some conclusionsâ€¦

these kind of yoga shows person leaving his home for conquest. like a king gone for war. // You see, parivartana applies only for bhavas occupied with grahas in exchange. In this chart that would be 6th and 7th bhava, meaning that there is very strong link between these bhavas, so Sani/Guru yoga (Brahma Yoga) will be related to 6th and 7th bhava.Ãƒâ€š As far as other bhavas lorded by Guru and Sani, exchange is only on level of lordship and applied intelligence in context of Bhava signification. //That just show how experienced you really are. You even don't know rahu is colord of Aquarius. Sure that this is my first time to read about dual lordship for Kumbha. Thank you for opening my eyes! Bow to your lotus feet! Where would I

be without you I wonder...

You are quite funnyâ€¦

First and second time I was saying that there is no parivartana between 4th and 6th bhava, Ramana Maharishi's chart was not in front of me. I memorize charts easily, so I relied on this. When you said "parivartana between 4th and 6th", Sani/Guru and Kanya lagna flashed in my mind and I thought you were aiming on this. Coincidentally, these are also lords of 4th and 6th bhava, so I thought you were making mistake. Yesterday I read your email with this comment "you don't even know Rahu is colord of Aquarius". I was thinking "Yeah, whatever..." , as I had no idea where this conclusion came from, and decided to leave it on "I actually have no idea what is dual lordship".

Then maybe you would not use those words unless you had a reason, so I opened his chart. Yes, I've noticed Rahu's placement.

This is misunderstanding due to my mistake. My apologies for bothering you with this (these) parivartana( s).

That's alrightâ€¦ but this is really worst silly mistake one can do.

//Please note that Malefics are of Tamas Guna. (Are you familiar with Guna chakra?) How in the world could they ever increase Rajas? In 3rd, 6th and 11th where from, lagna, AL, Chandra, Navamsha lagna...???? //You are familiar with Guna charka. How very fortunate you are. According to you Malefic can't increase rajo guna. Not acording to me, according to Guna chakra. Are you sure? 100% sure that Ketu will not increase rajas. Mangal and Sani also. As far as Rahu... well you said it can not destroy Satva, so I can not continue with explanation. However, here you skipped answering question on positions. I will come to that, first discuss so many other things.

// I do believe and experienced in charts that venus in 3ld does make one lustful. But in the above chart as venus is at zero degrees it will give effect as being in 2nd and 3ld both houses. Allow me some assistance here: Graha can be either in 2nd or 3rd, NOT in 2nd and 3rd at the same time. Graha being in rashi/ bhava sandhi or Gandanta, that is a different story (and there is interpretation for results ofÃƒâ€š such placement. Ever read BPHS?)//Forget about gandatha, everyone can read it in Bphs. Yes, rashi sandhi(is that what you call it. ), tell me the related verses in Bphs.Are you talking about these verses:Ch 45 verse 4.Results. One fourth, half, full, negligible and nil are the grades of the results, due to a Grah in infant, youthful, adolescent, old and dead Avasthas. These verses didn't talk about rashi sandhi.

Also same sage also said that moon is exalted in first 3 degrees in Taurus. So he definitely didn't mean what you have interpreted. No. What I was aiming at was within range of one pada (03deg. 20min) or one navamsha on each side of rashi junction. Between browsing through chaos of My Documents in my computer to find where I was reading about this and saying "Oops" for stating that it is included in BPHS somewhere along Gandanta, I rather choose to say "Oops". (You are free to label me as lazy and suffering dementia. Go on right ahead)However, if you ever read Bphs, then that's good. Come up with the necessary verses for rashi sandhi. Eagerly waiting for your response.

Forget it. These things do happen during bad antardasha.

If you are saying 3 deg 20min, then I would comeup with 100 of charts to show that rashi sandhi concept is incorrect. Its just 48 minutes, 2 ghatika, correct yourself.

Anyways, Let's discuss few charts.

Jawaharlal Nehru.

Sun at 0 degrees in scorpio, vishaka nakshatra.

Sun vimshottari dasha from 1932 -1938

Wiki says:

When the British promulgated the Government of India Act 1935, the Congress Party decided to contest elections. Nehru stayed out of the elections, but campaigned vigorously nationwide for the party. The Congress formed governments in almost every province, and won the largest number of seats in the Central Assembly. Nehru was elected to the Congress presidency in 1936, 1937, and 1946, and came to occupy a position in the nationalist movement second only to that of Gandhi.

Now how can sun in rashi sandhi give good result? Kindly explain.

Prathiba patil. 12th and current President of India.

Jupiter- Saturn vimshottari dasha 2004 -2007.

She was governor of Rajasthan during 2004-2007.

Wiki says:

In November 2004, eight years after she had completed her term in the 10th Lok Sabha, Pratibha Patil was recalled from political hibernation to become the first woman Governor of Rajasthan. She was the second politician from Maharashtra in

this post, the first being Vasantdada Patil. With Pratibha Patil as Governor, Rajasthan had women in three significant positions of power in the state, including Chief Minister Vasundhara Raje and Assembly Speaker Sumitra Singh.

Her Saturn is at 0 degrees Aquarius.

How can Saturn is rashi sandhi gives power. In fact according to your rationale, it must destroy 10th and 11th house it owns. Kindly explain.

At the time being, I have only this article to offer, but I repeat again, I am not sure if this is the only source I was using:

http://sarbani. com/index. php?option= com_content & view=article & id=6:bhava-and- rashi-sandhis & catid=7:basics & Itemid=14

Other then the above article, I have read few more sjc articles regarding this. Still I am quite sure and confident about what I am saying.

// Secondly, as far as what I understand benefices in 3, 6 from AL give an image of a person who don't like to fight and is calm.Malefic in same position give an image of a person who is always ready to fight and create nuisance.Please do tell me, how do you define "AL giving image"?//O that's means my above statements are incorrect. Be kind enough to correct me. No I will not correct you, as I don't have anything to correct. You did not write anything on how you define Al giving image. If you have written something, and if this definition would be correct, you would not have need to ask that

question you've asked.

Alright, let me give you something.

See AL is maya associated with the native. Position of planets from, AL creates an imaginary world which people see and which might be true or false based on planetary position from lagana. For example benefices in 3ld from AL give strong coborns, gives large muscles. But will once younger coborn help him is seem from 3ld from lagana. How much power those large muscles has is seen from 3ld from lagana.

If there are malefic in 3ld from AL it will give petty muscle, week or no younger brothers. But malefic in 3ld form lagana can give tremendous power in those petty muscles.

Similarly, understand for the other houses. I can write for all the houses if time permits in near future.// My only question is can't we have a saint who have an above mentioned bad image? Your questions:Even i should also ask what is a definition of saints.2. is one who do tapa to gain higher knowledge is a saint.3. or is one who do tapa for mokesha is a saint.4.or is the one who gives preachings to who one should follws once dharma is a saint.5. or is the one who preaches who one can get mokesha is a saint.My dear Arun, as far as 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5Ãƒâ€š I do believe that you've chosen a very wrong thread to ask these questions (considering subject of this thread). Same goes for rest of your email

bellow://If you can't answer these question then may I ask your gurujis to answer. Can I suggest you a thread for these questions? For example, this one, title sounds kind of nice:

http://groups. / group/srijaganna th/message/ 32858

Good luck in receiving replies from Gurus!

Dear Maja, I seriously think that nobody has answer to these questions. Nobody has done significant work to pinpoint different yogas for different categories and temperament of saints. Please, feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

And yes, I have one question for you which I think that you might answer. In one of the thread I asked one of gurujis to answer what is result of parivertan between trik lords. But he didn't answer.

My question is clear:

What is the result of Parivartana between 6th and 8th ?

What is the result of Parivartana between 8th and 12th ?

What is the result of Parivartana between 6th and 12th ?

What is the result of Parivartana between 6th and 8th ?

What is the result of Parivartana between 3ld and 6th or 3ld or 8th or 3ld and 12th?

What if these lords are week and what if these lords are strong?

Can you answer that?

Jai shree Ram, Krishn.Arun.

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February 11, 2010

Dear

Maja, Hare Rama Krishna.

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Om Gurave Namah

Dear Arun, namaste

We are having small problem in our dialogue. That is:

1. Most of the times I have to ask you same question at least twice. Most of the time I am the one who is answering your

question. You are not bothered to answer even a single question of mine. Did

you have the right to ask questions and I have no rights? Did you deserve to

get answers to your questions and I don't?

I

came to this forum with two or three questions in my mind.

First

one is:

1.

Planet in 0,1 degrees gives result of both houses. The house in which it is

placed and house previous to it. Vice versa for the planet placed in last part

of rashi. I have seen this happening in many charts. I hope that some knowledgeable person come up and discuss this with open

frame of mind.

Second

one is:

2. How

to understand nature of the result given by parivertana between lords of trik

house. I asked this in an another thread but didn't get a answer. I hope some knowledgeable person might answer it here. So I asked it

here as well.

Third

one:

3. Regarding

types of saints.

I

hope that this forum has lot of knowledgeable person and I will get answers to

my questions. But I end up falling on you. How very unfortunate from me.

2. You are answering some of my questions by using what I write. Is it an incorrect way of explaining things? Is it even

not enough for you that I have answered 100 of your questions? What more you

can accept.

3. You are asking additional questions hardly related to what we

previously discussed, without answering my questions first. Please tell me how many more questions I have to answer, after

which you will answer to my questions? Or will ever answer.

If this continues in your next email, I will consider this dialogue huge waste

of my time. By now, none of my questions you have

answered. It is a complete waste of my time. By then, I will use this opportunity

to try to bring our conversation back to right track. BTW,

I initiated this discussion with some of my questions. You deviated this

discussion by adding 100s of you question. If you had answered my questions,

and clearly showed to me that planet in rashi sandhi(3 deg 20min, one navamsha,

acc to you) result in enhailatation of the house it owns and had showed two

three example charts. And showed that my observation regarding this is

incorrect, then there is no need for me to extend this discussion.

CAN

YOU DO THAT NOW? If the planet is not in gandatha, then it will not give in any

such bad result. This is my observation in many charts. Correct me if you think

that I am wrong, by providing the necessary explanation.

If it doesn't work, my next reply will be

only: "It was nice talking to you. My very best wishes in your further

learning!". I hope this is fair enough, I am just expecting reciprocity,

that is all. Sure, if you didn't answer my

questions in your next post then I will also gives you best wishes for your

future, and say bye.

When I asked you to list out criteria which you are using when determining

combustion, I had a jaw drop when I read this: Answering

it in your style, Really?, then shree joyti, recommended by Pt.Rath is not to

be trusted of combustion. Make up your mind brother.

Do you have any good

astrological software? Well then use it to decide whether a planet is combust

or not. Let software owner decide whether that planet is combust or not. And

only get into this if you feel software is incorrect.

Are you sure you want to leave this as your final answer? I mean... "Let

software owner decide". Sounds kind of... your reference is software

owner, not a book or Guru. Since I've noticed you are using my words many times

by now, I have a reason to demand you to be the first who will list criteria

(since combustion makes 1/3 of your argument for Tesla's chart), explanation of

combustion, definition of "destroyed" when graha is combusted. I

can't wait to read it.

I have all good reasons to accept, anything

recommender and said by SanjayJi to be final until and unless I observes that

it didn't seems to be working in charts. Till now I didn't find any problem

regarding combustion. Yes for the combustion of inner planets (mercury and venus),

I have a way to decide whether it is combust or not. For outer planets these

software's can be trusted.

Combustion

is not my concern; my concern is rashi sandhi, why are you forceful trying to

deviate me to combustion?

These were your final answers on Tesla's chart:

Why tesla didn't have women in

his life?

Here are the reasons:

1. 7th lord combust.

2. venus combust.

3. 6L joining 7L.

4.

UL Lord in 12th.

5. 7th from

venus is in 12th.

6. In navamsha venus moved in 8th

accepted by 8th lord mars and is helmed between malefic.

You also said "In rashi venus lords 2nd and

7th, both of them are destroyed because of venus being combust with sun."

(BTW when saying this "both bhavas", are you familiar with procedure

for determining which of these two lordships is crucial?)

And then you said: Sukra is one

of the criteria but not at all the only criteria.

Okay, those above were the only reasons you listed out. Now I am forced to go

further with one more example, just because it almost completely fits to this

description above (there is not just combustion, as you prefer multiple

factors):

July 17th 1984.

17:49 PM

21 E 20, 43 N 35. Time zone 02h East of GMT. Female.

You will notice that her 7th lord Sukra is combusted and that UL lord is in

12th as well as lord of 7th from Sukra. Sukra in Navamsha is in 8th, severely

afflicted. She is married (partner is from abroad). Now I consider my brother's

chart useless, since you insist on multiple factors. Here they are. Enjoy.

My

dear Maja, before getting into these kind intense discussions, why don't you get

your basics correct? You even don't know that in female chart Jupiter is karak

of husband and not venus.

How

many times did I have to correct you? I am tired of your silly mistakes and

fundamental errors.

Now you see, by using "one dimensional" criteria (namely software

owner) to determine combustion, you are missing crucial in this phenomenon."one dimensional",

these people had considered all possible dimensions before including it

in their software. Good astrologers spend few hundred dollars to buy these

software. If you would study deeply what is combustion, you would

understand why benefic graha drishti or yuti would not make significant

difference for it. Are you referring towards

explanation of combustion by some scholar, that when a planet is closer to sun

its rays will stop coming to earth so benefic or malefic influence on such

planet will not make any difference. If you are referring towards this, then I

must tell you that this is incorrect. So, please, do not say that in

this chart above Budh can relief combustion BTW,

when did I say that Budh can relief combustion, I don't remember. Another of

your wild guess, I suppose. Budh is not such a strong benefic, if any malefic

influence on Budh, forget about any benefic result coming out of it. I again clarify

that Budh with malefic will behaves as a malefic. Reff: bphs. (to which

extent? How to determine this degree of relief which is between canceling

destruction and destroyed?), as I will declare that as a very poor excuse for

lacking with knowledge. Yes, you are correct. I

lack knowledge. Thanks for properly guiding me with your deep understand of jyotish.

Where would be I without you, I wonder … … … … … … … ...I am still wondering… …

…does it sounds familiar to you?

Another thing, you said that in

Tesla's chart both 2nd and 7th bhava are destroyed because Sukra is combust by

Surya. 2nd bhava is left eye, so one would expect some physical damage here. He

had very healthy eyes. In fact, he died at the age of 86, and he never even

wore eyeglasses, as younger or older. Another thing related to Sukra, and this

has a lot to do with Digchakra, is gift of visualization. Tesla had extremely

powerful one. This was of most importance for his way of work on inventions.

Any person with good intensions

of leaning will understand that I mean some of the significance of 2nd

and 7th house controlled by sukra are destroyed, not all of them.

All of them are not destroyed even in worst of the worst charts. I have never

seen a chart in which one bad planetary placement had resulted in destruction

of all significance of a house. It's clear and that's why I didn't answer to

your question related to this. Sorry, but I thought it is another of your silly

question. Now tell me is this not silly to conclude that I am trying to say

that all the significance of a house is destroyed. Not possible even in worst

of the worst case.

"Exactly, it means that one wife is far away and not easily

accessible. Hope you got the point. It also means that once women will live

away from him during relivent dasha, antardasha."

This was for your argument No6. It was added after I elaborated what it means

(I recognize lot of my words here). However, playing with words will not make

this an argument. Are your words copyrighted? I

thought that it is easier for me to explain things to you, by extending your

own words. If you feel so bad about it then I am sorry I will not use your words.

Is that fine? And same applies to you as well. But then, who will you frame

yours never ending questions. I wonder…

It would make sense to use this as argument in case if he was ever actually

looking for a wife, girlfriend, or anything related to partnership (which is

not the case). How can you be so sure about this? Also, note that he lived in USA, and he was born in

southeast Europe. In simple numbers this would be approximately 7000km.

I was saying:

My question would begin with

broken pravraja yoga which includes relevant lordships

for celibacy, placed in 7th from UL (badhak), well placed from Lagnesh and

AK... in karma bhava from Ch also... But these are just initial thoughts on

concept of my question.

And your comment was:

And yes pravraja yoga, did you

even tries to look at the factor which decides potency of sexual organs in his

chart. Perhaps if you had, your question might be different.

Question was not refereed to you. Then why did you even

bother yourself to post it? Also, I said "My question would begin

with...". I did not say "My question would begin and end

with...". Potency of sexual organs was hardly the reason why Tesla decided

to live in celibacy. Please read his biography again. If you do find that this

was the reason, we can discuss this further. Leave

it here. What great lesson we could learn by continuing discussing his chart?

Few points from our discussion

on Tesla:

Please do have forgiveness in

your heart for this old man, as he was reading Vedanta too much, which

influenced his criteria for metaphysics and science. Mathematical grab that fascinates,

beggar clothed in purple. Don't overlook that.

Ha.ha.. perhaps tesla was

trikala drasta and he knew that this work of relativity will eventually be used

to create a bomb. So he rightly abuses it. No, this was not his reason. It was just a joke, anyway. This was also one of his critics on

relativity:

"I hold that space cannot be curved, for the

simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God

has properties. He has not, but only attributes and these are of our own

making. Of properties we can only speak when dealing with matter filling

the space. To say that in the presence of large bodies space becomes curved is

equivalent to stating that something can act upon nothing. I, for one, refuse

to to such a view"

Hey, it's good to see a budding astrologer also

interested in physics. But unfortunately Tesla seems to be incorrect. Space can

be curved. Presence of huge astronomical bodies does create a big curve in

space. That is the explanation used to demonstrate curved straight line between

two points.

Please pay closer attention on

description of God up there. Sounds familiar? By the time he made this

statement, he was already introduced to Swami Vivekananda. The two of them had

some very fruitful discussions on correlation between science and Vedanta. Ever

since Tesla's continued with research on this correlation and his work in

following years was very much inspired with these conclusions. Good to

know that Tesla was a follower of swamiJI. No doubts that he is a divine being.

Swami Ramkrishna paramhansa says that he was a divine sole taking birth on earth

to carry out some divine purpose. He very clearly teaches that there is no use

worshiping god and doing nothing for the creatures created by him. He clearly

said if one can't love human being who represent god himself, then one can't be

librated. In kali yuga liberation of once sole is only possible by helping and

love human beings. That's was the divine purpose of his birth. Wow, my heart is

filled with joy.

His

love for swami ramkrishna was so great that that he says that swami Ramakrishna

is one of the incarnations of god. Correctly enough, in kali yuga, once guru is

equivalent to god.

In

previous yuga one can have direct leaning from god. But it is not possible or

next to impossible in kali yuga.

If this quotation above is not

enough to support this statement, here is one more quotation on Tesla:

"Long ago (I)

recognized that all perceptible matter comes from primary substance, of a

tenuity beyond conception and filling all space--the Akasha or luminiferous

ether--which is acted upon by the life giving Prana or creative force, calling

into existence, in never ending cycles, all things and phenomena. The primary

substance, thrown into infinitesimal whirls of prodigious velocity, becomes

gross matter; the force subsiding, the motion ceases and matter disappears,

reverting to the primary substance."

You see, there were few phases

of relativity theory throughout history. Einstein finished his contribution to

relativity with General Relativity theory. As it was very hard to fit gravity

and electromagnetism to this theory, the only way for Einstein was to use

static universe model. By now in modern physics this model was abounded few

times and all results could shortly sum up in this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

Where you can read short

history of all models of Universe used so far, critics, divided opinions etc.

etc. etc. By nowadays particles traveling faster than the speed of light were also

found. Yet, matter, energy, space and time (E = mc2) are still very hard to fit with

Gravity and Electromagnetism (both having qualities of Akash). Perhaps because

in model of Universe there are important factors missing in these 5 elements of

physical existence-God and on the other hand: destruction- creation-

destruction- creation- destruction- creation of physical aspects of manifested universe dependently on Brahma's day and night (and entire manifested universe

destruction occurs with his death) . But is it not beautiful that modern science had no other

way but to develop expanding model of Universe (Bug Bang theory)? Hm...

"Karanodaksayi Vishnu who produces innumerable universes that start as

seed and expand as they float above the causal ocean..." Nice. Scientists

are on right track.

Coming back to Einstein, this long story is there to make a point that

General Relativity theory was corrected by experts many times by now, but its

contribution lies in fact that it was starting point for many other theories.

As you can read, it is not accepted as final word on Universe.

Einstein was not god. He can

also make mistakes. Model of the universe, which his equations shows universe to

be expanding in nature. At that time, it was widely believed that universe is

not expanding and is static in nature. For the same reason he introduced a

constant in his equations to explain static nature of universe. Later on when

Hubble telescope proved that universe is really expanding, he say it is a

biggest blunder he had make to introduce a constant in his equations. It not at

all decreases legitimacy, greatness and sparkling beauty of his work.

Tesla, on the other hand was obsessed with field theories and ether and

worked on developing dynamic theory of Gravity.

Though argues on who is right and who is wrong (Tesla or Einstein) is still

very much active among nowadays scientist...

Tesla was a little bit more focused on practical work supported with theory,

so he developed AC (alternating current) system of power supply (the one which

is making possible this communication between you and me, among else), wireless

communication (at the time radio) among else... also don't forget "He

ripped up a Westinghouse contract that

would have made him the world's first billionaire, in part because of the

implications it would have on his future vision of free power, and in part

because it would run Westinghouse out of business, and Tesla had no desire to

deal with the creditors." All interest he had in his work was for the

benefit of humanity, not for his own benefit. Without

any doubts, work done by Tesla is great and he deserves to be respected by all

of us.

You used only one paragraph to declare Tesla as abusive spoken. In upper

class society circles of New York

during late 19th century Tesla was known as soft spoken gentleman always dining

in his white gloves.

Then, what about his broken partnerships with

other scientists (7th house). What about not being paid as promised,

what about not becoming very rich (2nd house). What about his

speeches regarding sterilization

of unfit and of course relativity. However this is what is written in two three

four pages on wiki. There could be more to it.

On a deep thought, well

these bombs do seem to be noble because they stop many small wars between the

super powers. Threat of nuclear bomb does have stopped many wars. These bombs

will kill all of us one day, but till that day comes, we can live in prosperity

because of these bombs. Bombs

being noble? Perhaps you

are right; anything which has word "fear" associated with it can't be noble.

But what can we do, theses bombs are already their. I just try to find prosperity

in adversity. However I also very well understand that their can't be any

prosperity in the shadow of fear. But one can also can't keep on crying that

these bombs will perish us all, one or the other day. We have to live with

them, either we live crying or either we live happily by finding prosperity in

adversity.

Was Mahatma Gandhi born in

your country and how did Indian people won independence? What it got to do with GandhiJi or independence

of India.

Btw, are you not Indian? I

really don't know that. From which country you belong? Just curious to know

that...

And as we

are talking about Einstein, check venus, Saturn, mercury, sun yoga in his 10th

house. Remember, I said venus, Saturn, mercury yoga produce great

mathematicians. Again to avoid confusion no your part, I should clarify that

planet involved should be strong.

Good, we avoided confusion, you avoided answering my question on those two

charts containing this very same yoga (one is 13th of November 1982 and another

is February 5th 1962, search

full data in previous posts). Here you can show me how this yoga works in

charts of Tesla and Einstein, does it work in charts of these two natives and

why. Use all multiple factors you would like. If you don't point me the

difference, I have no other choice but to say that this claim you are making is

under huge question mark.

Let's talk about Einstein; he

has some extremely powerful yoga in his chart. Multiple factors, here they are:

Neeach bhang raja yoga of Budh (1st, 4th

lord) in 10th house.Same Budh is power yogadha, as lagan lord associating itself

with GL.Same Budh is accepting AL,

showing improvement in image during its dasha.Same Budh is in Uttara Bhadra nakshatra, ruled by Shani and

joined by Shani. And as this nakshatra represents akasha tattava, it shows

anything related to intelligence.Same Budh is 5th lord in navamsha joining exalted

lagana lord Shani in 9th house in navamsha.and the same 9th lord is having a parivertana with

lagan lord in navamsha.and the same 9th lord is yogkaraka and joining 10th

lord in navamsha.

That

strong his mercury was.

Now

wonder he comes up with his theory of relativity during shani budh lagana

vimshottari dasha.

You also never answered if natives

13th November 1982 and 27th November 1960 are replacing

women with their love towards hard work due to Sani yuti with Sukra. I will

repeat again (3rd time) that I am asking you to answer this simple question,

not asking you to write a novel about their lives. But

when did I say that love for hard work will replace women. When did I say that

shani sukra yuti will replace women? i don't remember. perhaps my memory is not as good as yours.

But as you were saying for native 27th

November 1960:

ve sa ma shows a brutal

criminal or a great soldier. I said this previously but I was obsessed by the

presence of very strong Jupiter, without realizing that this strong Jupiter

dasha will start in 2060. Not in this life time. Even I didn't see his

drekkana. Otherwise such lethal mistake would not have occurred.

However, you yourself proved that ve, sa, ma does shows a

criminal.

I asked you a question if native born on February

5th 1962 is brutal criminal. You never answered. In your statement

above I am again having impression that you are using only Yoga it self without

analyzing its position and integrating it in rest of the chart... Is this

impression wrong? Yes, this impression is wrong. I

clearly said that sani, venus, mars shows a brutal criminal or a great soldier

(or a logician as it is mars karakatatavas) and all this will depends on quite

a few factors:

Position of these planets in drekkana as it shows

virtues.Strength of 4th house and d24 as it shows

education, an educated person will not fall easily. Parents, D12, as in case of problems in this sphere

of life one will have more chances of falling from virtues.Association of 8th lord with 9th,

10th lord does result in evil karma and fall of dharma during

its dasha antardasha.Yogas such as shani, rahu, mars and shani, ketu,

mars and shani, sun, rahu and

venus, mars, ketu are always bad in any bhava in any sign. Then may seem

to be good in 10th and 11th house or even in 3ld, 6th.

But they always have their very dark, evil aura about them. Its hard to

control such evil energy, even by greatest of greatest persons. Though

their can be some rare exceptions.

This is misunderstanding due to my mistake. My apologies

for bothering you with this (these) parivartana(s).

That's alright, but this is

really worst silly mistake one can do.

Is it? Oh, I will survive for not opening that chart. What about giving

statement that Sa/Sk/Ma can show brutal criminal and completely miss it in

chart (with giving excuse on looking at strong Jupiter). See,

mistake happens to anyone for this or that reason. Point

accepted. Other than this you also said that 5th bhava is related to

past (poorly correcting it with "Blessings

from previous life which will fructify in future in form of son, creativity,

authority etc." This resembles of logic used for 9th bhava, which

shows how our previous actions are influencing blessings in form of bhagya in

this life. 5th house definitely means

blessings from previous life. Please, ask me for a reference, I will provide

that. However, do some counting where from 9th bhava becomes 10th and

then count from that bhava to 5th). you means that 6th

house is karma sthana for dharma and as 5th is 12th to

it, then what? You

also said: parivatran between 6th and 4th is the

cause of him leaving all happiness for the pursuit of higher reasons. If happiness (comforts maybe) is related to 4th bhava,

this leaves me no other option but to make a conclusion that you are

considering 6th bhava as higher reasons. And in your next email you said only parivatran between 6th and 4th is the

cause of him leaving all happiness. That is what it means. Without including "higher reasons" in analyzing

this parivartana.

Now... would you like to choose between these two

statements?

Venus is love and Saturn is

hard work. It means love for hard work.BTW if you are trying to apply it in Tesla's chart, didn't you

say that "love" is destroyed as Sukra is combusted? How could he love anything in that case, including hard

work? My dear not just

venus but 5th lord also shows love and devotion. When 5th

lord and venus both joins is double bonanza, its more powerful.

So 5th lord destroying Sukra by combusting it, is making Sukra more powerful in

context of love and devotion? Is this what you are saying? Or to extend it with

your other words: Exactly, this is what I am saying.

You got it correctly. As sukra is combust, will cause

suffering related towards its karak and as 5th lord joins sukra, its

good result will also come true. Both statements are correct. Both results will

come true.

When strong lord Is Surya indeed strong in 3rd bhava? of this house joins another planet,

it will definitely create love, affection, insight towards the karakatatvas of

the planet it is joining. Even

if "burning" them in combustion?

And you replied with:

Jotisha is not that straight

forward. Anything which is bad from one perspective might be good from another

perspective. Just like in theory of relativity, perspective mattes in jotisha

too. Basic rules of nature are universally applicable, perhaps if we apply them

with correct perspective. Here you are flown by just one rule of combustion.

How can you ignore the other rule? The rule that 5th lord is the

lord of prosperity, creativity etc, etc.

So creativity, prosperity, devotion (5th lord Surya) is ruining (combustion)

his love for hard work (Sani/Sukra), right? Hold

on… Now you are including relativity here... What is relative about it?

Saying that Surya will selectively destroy some aspects of Sukra 7th and 2nd

lord (wife and soft speach as you said) and other will leave untouched, right

(love and devotion for hard work)?

Hold

on, hold on. Again posting my previous response: As sukra is combust, will cause suffering related towards its karak

and as 5th lord joins sukra, its good result will also come true.

Both statements are correct. Both results will come true.

Again read my previous reply: Any person with good intensions of leaning will

understand that I mean some of the significance of 2nd and 7th

house controlled by sukra are destroyed, not all of them. All of them are not

destroyed even in worst of the worst charts. I have never seen a chart in which

one bad planetary placement had resulted in destruction of all significance of

a house. It's clear and that's why I didn't answer to your question related to

this. Sorry, but I thought it is another of your silly question. Now tell me is

this not silly to conclude that I am trying to say that all the significance of

a house is destroyed. Not possible even in worst of the worst case.

And then you extended this with:

However in case of tesla, 5th

lord is sun and it has combusted the venus. Union is strong as they are just 3

degrees apart. Malefic have added their harshness to the yoga.

Anything

which has energy of sun, anything which is fast as mercury, anything which is

as deadly as Saturn and anything which is as beautiful combust venus. O Brahmin

its electricity.

Then I guess you've never heard of that Graha which is all so sudden, fast,

deadly and invisible, caches and let goes, exists in every precise little

gadget of nowadays, as it signified precise gadgets such as watches in ancient

times. Also signifies mathematical ability... It takes only one Graha, "o

Brahmin"...

dear, it takes just one Graha to be associate with

electricity, but I take a quite a few Graha and their placement which shows

that person has good insights and creativity regarding a particular field of

study.

Also this about Sukra Sani:

Anyway, Sukra is of Jala

tatva (emotions), also related to Bhakti. If joined with Sani, it can result in

coldness.

These natives need time to

open up in partnership. It is better if Sani and Sukra are both strong

(own rashi, mooltrikona, exaltation...). If weak, they can bring sorrow in

partnership.

To native or partner, this

depends on placement and lordship. Maturation

of Sani (age of 36) can bring some relief. These natives tend

to adopt traditional values (again, this depends on placement and lordship).

Don't forget that weak Sani brings laziness, dullness, atheism (Guru is neecha

in Makara) etc. etc. Being selfish is also result of this yoga. Of course,

everything stated depends on complete chart.

If both sukra and shani are

strong the there is nothing native can't achieve with his hard work.

If sukra is week but Saturn

is strong, person will show extreme coldness towards the relation owned by

sukra.

If sukra is strong but

Saturn is week, laziness, dullness, strong desire of merriment and enjoyment

are seen in native. Hard work on enjoyment. That's the way I call it.

Dear maja,

you are calling this definition being poor. Seriously, you lack insight.

Once you expanded your poor definition with my writings, it doesn't sound as

poor as it used to. You are very fast to give your

disgraced opinion; I wish you be fast enough to properly explain why.

As far as Rashi Sandhi and Gandanta you said:

If you are saying 3 deg 20min,

then I would comeup with 100 of charts to show that rashi sandhi concept is

incorrect. Its just 48 minutes, 2 ghatika, correct yourself.

Isn't this from correction inspired with BPHS chapter on Gandanta? Why are you

mixing these two now (rashi sandhi and Gandanta)? No

I am not mixing them at all. But really 3 deg 20 mins, one navamsha, I still

feels that it might not be the case. Anyway.

http://sarbani.com/index.php?option=com_content & view=article & id=6:bhava-and-rashi-sandhis & catid=7:basics & Itemid=14

Other then the above article, I have read few more sjc articles

regarding this. Still I am quite sure and confident about what I am saying.

Fair enough. In that case my personal decision is to follow SJC Gurus, as they

are far more experienced in Jyotish and interpreting classics. I am quite sure

and confident in their experience and knowledge. Exactly

that's the reason why I raise this question directly to SJC Gurus; I hope that

I will get the best answers of my questions. But, nothing like that has

happened till now. I only end up falling on one who even didn't have his basics

correct. You even didn't attempt to answer any of my questions. Sorry to say, but

I gives an impression that you lack sufficient knowledge to answer my questions.

Instead you come up with your never ending list of questions. How very

unfortunate for me. I wish one of the Gurujis read this and provide

satisfactory answer to my questions. I feel bad if I have to goes empty handed.

As far as AL:

Secondly, as far as what I

understand benefices in 3, 6 from AL give an image of a person who don't

like to fight and is calm.

Malefic in same position give an image of a person who is always ready to fight

and create nuisance. Please

do tell me, how do you define "AL giving image"?

See AL is maya associated with the native.

Position of planets from, AL creates an imaginary world Where it creates imaginery world? which people see and which might be

true or false based on planetary position from lagana true or false in context of what? In

context of real or imaginary events? After we finish this discussion on AL I will simply paste you a link for one

of my posts on AL. I will not alter a single word to it. But here in this

discussion I will not add a single word on correction in order to avoid you

using my words to build up an explanation. Dear Maja, you are the person For example benefices in 3ld from

AL give strong coborns, gives large

muscles. Sukra is benefic,

and in 3rd/11th from AL it can cancel younger/elder coborns. But will once younger coborn help

him is seem from 3ld from lagana. How much power those large muscles has is

seen from 3ld from lagana.

If there are

malefic in 3ld from AL it will give petty muscle, week or no younger brothers On the contrary, Mangal here can give

very strong younger brother..

But malefic in 3ld form lagana can give tremendous power in those petty

muscles.

Mangal being karaka of brother

can give strong brother in 3ld or 11th from AL and Sukra shows selfish nature of

human being, does creates obstacles in growth of brothers if presents in 3,11

from AL. In some cases it can deny brothers.

You had one question:

Dear Maja, I seriously think

that nobody has answer to these questions. Nobody has done significant work to

pinpoint different yogas for different categories and temperament of saints.

Please, feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

Two words of correction: Sanjay Rath. Search for his posts, articles, books...

I did tied but found nothing relivent. Hope he read

this and come up with his beautiful explanations. SanjayJi, if you are reading

this, please help me with these 2, 3 questions. I will be obliged.

I just saw this:

You: //I also clarify that in my personal experience I have

observed that chalit chart gives incorrect results.

Me:Your

personal experience with Chalit Chakra? In previous email you did not even know

how to use it...// How can you say with such a confidence that I don't know

who to use a Chalit chart? Who can you be so sure? Stop making such useless

comments; it will take you no where.

You:

Because of the virtues given to me by my parents and my cultural heritage, I

was taught to be humble and polite. Which you interpret as my ignorance. May

lord ram bless you?

Daring to clarify that accordingly to your personal experience with something

you can't even use gives incorrect results is being humble? Daring to answer question of someone who is just waiting

for an opportunity to pass his rash comment, is humbleness, politeness and

kindness. The one who is asking one question after another, just to find a

golden opportunity to pass his reckless comment is a hypocrite. As far as your politeness, you did

"demonstrate" it in your previous posts very much. Did I start this demonstration of good manners? What you accept in return, civility…? Though, I am trying

my best to be as civil as possible.

But then what do I do when you

come up with a chart of female and use Sukra for judging about her husband.

What do I do when you say "Ever

read Bphs?", when even you didn't read it properly.

What do I do when you consider

Budh as benefic even when it is placed with malefices.

What do I do when you say that I

even didn't know how to read a Chalit chart.

And what do I do with stack of your

never ending questions.

In your huge post/s I fail to

find even a single answer. But you are good in copy pasting from wiki or some

other sources. I must admit.

My parents simply taught me not to be a hypocrite... Nice

to know that…

Warm regards,

Maja Å trbac

Hare Rama Krishna,

Arun.

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