Guest guest Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Om Namah Shivaya Now, once you determine the Prasna Chart, you should be sure that you are allowed to see the chart. For this reason, Lagna or 7th house of navamsa chart whichever is stronger should be looked, and trines to it or placement of a lord should determine the Lagna of a client. I was told that unless you get the lagna of the client in navamsa chart, you should not look at the prasna. The following situations are not favourable for answering Prasna 1. If a person approaches you on saturday and tuesday from the rightside or on tuesday and sunday from the left side. 2. If a nimmita shows the symbols of malefic planets particularly on a head or upper part of the body of a person 3. if a client is under the infleunce of planets (by observation or sparsha) affecting your arudha Lagna in a negative way. 4. If prasna Lagna has malefics in it, or chandra is afflicted in a prasna chart. In second case you are allowed to answer only one question. When a client comes and sits you should observe the prasna arudha. In earlier days, an astrologer used to sit in a large premise where one among the 8th direction decided the signs of the querent, where he sat. These days, querist will usually sit in a particular place depending on an office or house of an astrologer, so the best way to determine Prasna Arudha is to prepare Ganesha Yantra with 12 signs, and ask a person to put a gold coin or peice of gold in a certain sign. Another method is to ask a person one number from 1 till 108 where the remainder will indicate the Prasna Arudha. Now, Prasna arudha should be examined in detail. 1. Planets in Prasna Arudha will show the real intention of the prasna.Stronger between Prasna Arudha and 7th thereof will include the people a person has met on the way to an astrologer. This point will serve as a point to see the Chatra and other important rasis.We can use this method and answer at most 3 questions using Prasna Arudha and Chandra Lagna (for the second question) and Surya Lagna for the 3rd question. We can also ask number for each question and determine the Prasna Arudha for that question and Chatra rasi for that question. Now, there are various simple procedure where for each and particular prasnas certain tithis should be calculated, such as Santana tithi, Vivaha Tithi, Chora tithi, Karma tithi etc. This procedure is found in Prasna marga clearly explained. So these are some simple beginner step, and so as soon as I get some more time, I will add some points. Best wishes Zoran Radosavljevic www.siva-edu.info www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya, > Dear Rafal, > This paper is a part of the workshop in Bava, and Jiva. So it is not > available through SJC channels. So if you circulate it freely, be > careful since it is copy righted by these organizations. That is the > reason I gave some points to people who cannot freely access the > paper. I was participent there and partook the course either as a > teacher or I paid for it. So, this is the beginner's stuff and I > beleive that many will find it useful. Some of the main stuff is > still coming, while the bulk of traditional prasnas which would > probably interest somebody as advansed as you is taught only at > SIVA,through the regular Sanjaji's curriculum. sorry:) > P.S. Maybe I am wrong about the paper, since I attended several > different workshops on London, where Sanjayji taught on Prasna, and > if I am wrong, kindly correct me... > Best wishes > Zoran Radosavljevic > www.siva-edu.info > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > twrote: > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > Yes, we know that. > > > > The same examples are in Sanjayji paper available. Please > something new > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > ----------------------------- > > http://rohinaa.com > > rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > Here is the continuation on the thread of prasna as I promised. > > > Prasna Kriya > > > 1.Six signs are to be examined thoroughly > > > (1)Lagna, the ascendant > > > (2)arudha, the arudha lagna or prasna arudha. > > > (3)Navamsa Lagna > > > (4)Janma rasi or Moon sign, > > > (5)Chattra rasi (umbrella shaped like mushroom symbolizing > shelter -- > > > refer to Shri Vamana or Jupiter incarnation of Bhagavan) and > > > (6)Sparsanga rasi(sparsa--touched by hand, anga--body part) or > Nimitta > > > ras, the sign/planet indicating an omen or symbolic of an omen > > > occurring during the praçna. > > > 2.The three divisions -- > > > 1.Rasi indicates one year from praçna date > > > 2.Drekkana or D3 chart (preferably Jagannäth drekkäëa is normally > > > used as taught in tradition and given in candrakalänäòi) > indicates > > > the future > > > 3.Navamsa or D9 chart indicates the past. > > > > > > Chattra rasi --Shelter or umbrella sign > > > 1.Path (veethi rasi): The three steps of Visnu as Vämana avatar > are > > > represented by the first three signs --Aries, Taurus and Gemini. > > > These are called the véthi or path sign. > > > --Aries veethi (path): Sun in four signs --Taurus, Gemini, > Cancer, Leo > > > --Taurus veethi (path): Sun in four signs --Virgo, Libra, > Pisces, Aries > > > --Gemini veethi (path): Sun in four signs --Scorpio, Sagittarius, > > > Capricorn, Aquarius > > > 2.Count from arudha sign to lagna (or from prasna arudha to > lagna) > > > 3.Count as many signs from Path sign (veethi rasi). The sign > arrived > > > at is the Chattra rasi or shelter sign. > > > > > > Spristanga rasi (or Nimitta, Omen sign) > > > .Spristanga rasi is the sign which indicates the body part > touched > > > by the questioner at the time of making the query OR it can be > the > > > sign which indicates a nimitta(omen) > > > > > > Illustration: Arudha rasi & degree > > > Determine Prasna arudha rasii for the following question was > asked > > > by a questioner for Prasna: > > > Q: What is the best career path for me and will I attain > financial > > > success and personal satisfaction from it? How can I best bring > that > > > into fruition and are there other career alternatives? 68 was > number > > > given by the person > > > A: The question is actually composed of FOUR questions and not > one. > > > These are separated by `and'and a full stop. > > > Q1: What is the best career path for me? > > > Q2: Will I attain financial success and personal satisfaction > from > > > it? > > > Q3: How can I best bring that into fruition? > > > Q4: Are there other career alternatives? > > > The number given is '68'. Divide number by 12 and determine > > > remainder: 68 ÷12 = 5 + 8/12. `8'or Scorpio is the Prasna arudha > and > > > its longitude is to be taken as the same as lagna which is 28° > 30'. > > > > > > Illustration: Chattra rasi > > > 1.In Prasna 1, the Sun is in Gemini implying Aries veethi (path) > > > 2.Prasna arudha we have found to be in Scorpio and Prasna Lagna > is > > > Libra. > > > 3.Count from Arudha to Lagna --we get 12 signs > > > 4.Count as many signs from Aries which is the veethi (path) -- > > > counting 12 signs from Aries we arrive at Pisces which is the > > > Chattra rashi or shelter/umbrella sign. > > > 5.However, note that the native actually asked `four'questions > > > instead of one. These questions will be ruled in the order of > (1st) > > > Lagna, (2nd) Moon, (3rd) Sun. So the Chattra rasi for each of > these > > > questions will have to be calculated using the same prasna arudha > > > and Aries veethi. > > > I will continue soon.. > > > Best wishes > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > I asked you to be patient for prashna answers since I have been > > > busy > > > > in doing my regular chores. So, very soon I will give a > feedback > > > on > > > > prashna. Regarding teaching policy, I am strictly following > > > > Sanjayji's instructions, where he explicitelly instructed me > what > > > to > > > > teach and where to teach. Since I have my own students, it is > > > quite > > > > normal in any Parampara that Teacher chooses what to teach and > to > > > > whom, and to which students. Some teachings are reserved for > your > > > > own students only, and that is what I am sure every SJC Guru is > > > > doing. And trust me, what I say here on the list that I will > > > teach, > > > > I will do it.Sometimes, some questions do touch the areas > which I > > > > feel are not yet to be touched or should be taught to people by > > > > their own Jyotish Gurus. That is why I stay aside and wait. As > far > > > > as whether I like to be asked, more than 150 students which > passed > > > > through SJC teachings in Serbia, and the rest who remained in > SIVA > > > > speak about the level of teaching without having being liked > to be > > > > asked... So, very soon I am continuing on my thread on > prasna... > > > > Best wishes > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* > > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > > * > > > > > *So you like to see when people are asking you or what is the > > > > reason to > > > > > mention this in the first place if you cannot share which I > > > > understand > > > > > as its the concept of parampara in parampara - kind of side- > > > effect > > > > of > > > > > some mistakes in our teachings policy.* > > > > > * > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > ------------ --------- -------- > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> > > > > > rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > > > Very gladly. Just bear with me for a while, I am writting > SIVA > > > > > > lecture right now. As far as the points crossed,I am > limited by > > > > > > Guruji's instruction: ) > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Zoran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* > > > > > > > Dear Zoranji, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So could you please share those topics which you were > > > > taught? .. > > > > > > as in > > > > > > > previous mail you didnt cross the point of what is > available > > > > for > > > > > > everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > ------------ --------- -------- > > > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com > <http://rohinaa.com>> > > > > > > > rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahimsavm pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > You started a beatiful subject. Long time back my > Guruji > > > Pt. > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > Rath once told me when teaching me prashna methods " > There > > > > are so > > > > > > > > many books and manuscripts on Prasna that we should > take 3 > > > > > > lifetimes > > > > > > > > just to read them all " . Then I aksed him how to learn > > > it:)) > > > > He > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > the following: " That is the reason why we study it > through > > > > > > > > Paramapara. Parampara methods give universal rules > which > > > can > > > > cut > > > > > > > > across all prashna methods and be applied > universally. .. " > > > > > > > > Therefore, > > > > > > > > What Rafal said is correct. There are certain rules > which > > > are > > > > > > > > appliable to all prashnas. However, before going deeper > > > into > > > > the > > > > > > > > methods itself, one should take the foolowing steps. I > > > agree > > > > that > > > > > > > > London teachings of Prasna are excellent. There are > even > > > > better, > > > > > > > > which Guruji taught for JIVA classes, however they are > not > > > > > > > > available. Luckily I was present there and kept > notes:)) > > > > > > > > There are also many methods which he used to employ > during > > > > the > > > > > > > > hundreds of readings I used to sit with him, which > later > > > on > > > > he > > > > > > > > kindly elaborated and explained. > > > > > > > > I would like to draw attention to the following four > steps > > > > which > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > the most important: > > > > > > > > 1. Lagna > > > > > > > > 2. Arudha Lagna > > > > > > > > 3. Chandra Lagna-Janma Rashi > > > > > > > > 4. Surya Lagna (which he often emphasized as unjustly > > > > forgotten > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > ignored by vedic astrologers) > > > > > > > > He used to tell the following> > > > > > > > > 1. When a person comes to consult you, you REPRESENT a > > > > > > Samvatsara or > > > > > > > > Sun God, so we should all be aware of that and keep the > > > > level of > > > > > > > > purity by Doing the mantras and keeping ourselves pure. > > > > > > > > 2. A person who comes is coming for the soul level > > > > interacion so > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > should never hurt them or insult them, but learn what > GOd > > > is > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > to show us. There is a simple method for that. Draw the > > > > prasna > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > and see the 12th house. This is the place where you > sit, > > > and > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > placed inthere and its lord will tell you what message > God > > > > has > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > 3.By coming to a reading, GOd will give us knowledge > about > > > > the > > > > > > > > person. Parampara teaches rules which will tell you: > > > > > > > > 1. What is the Lagna of the person > > > > > > > > 2. What is the Arudha Lagna of the person, which > planets > > > > > > influence > > > > > > > > Arudha or the 7th from it > > > > > > > > 3. Which planets infleunce guna of the Mind (Janma > Rasi), > > > and > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > guna dominates now and in the future, so what we > should be > > > > able > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > deal with, as well as the position of Chandra in their > > > natal > > > > > > charts. > > > > > > > > 4. Which planets influnce Surja Lagna. > > > > > > > > Just by mere observation of a person, we should be > able to > > > > > > > > understand the position of These points. > > > > > > > > After carefully observing the nimmitas, and a person, > > > > including > > > > > > > > sparsha, dress, akshara, sthiti etc, Then we should > cast a > > > > Natal > > > > > > > > chart along with Prashna Chart. > > > > > > > > Then other techniques such as Surya Veethi (movement of > > > > Vamana) > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Chatra rashi (exact angle between Arudha and Lagna as > well > > > > as the > > > > > > > > movement of God and our self)should be employed. > > > > > > > > So, before we continue, it would be nice to analyze > step > > > by > > > > step > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > only Prashna chart, but its preparation and nimmitas > > > before > > > > the > > > > > > > > readings. > > > > > > > > FOr example, if Lagna of a client is not in trines to > > > Prasna > > > > > > > > Navamsa Lagna, its 7th house or navamsa lagna lord > sign, I > > > > was > > > > > > > > explicitelly told not once to ignore the prasna. > > > > > > > > So, I look forward to discussions on this beatiful > topic.. > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > > > > > www.siva-edu. info > > > > > > > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, Rafal > Gendarz > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Excuse me the confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its part of 'secret arudha' which is seen from the > > > > Quotient- > > > > > > Graha > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > always Moon) - page 3. I have mistaken this with > Moon as > > > > > > Vistiji > > > > > > > > taught > > > > > > > > > me this with the same example which gave the number > 2 - > > > > Moon. > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > use the graha based on quotient. * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- -------- > > > > > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com > > > > <http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com>>> > > > > > > > > > rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagnesh is with Guru in dhanus, perfect choices. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- -------- > > > > > > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com > > > > <http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com>>> > > > > > > > > > > rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja S(trbac pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Rafal, Namaste > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> More than helpful. Thank you very much. Yet: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> 1. All what you wrote under this point is in > Visti's > > > > > > article, > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > >> how to find " navamsa related to the person " if > client > > > > has > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > >> number which is dividable with 9 without reminder, > > > which > > > > > > was my > > > > > > > > > >> initial question. And except Prasna-Chandra > > > calculation. > > > > > > > > Article is > > > > > > > > > >> in front of me at the moment and all I see there > is > > > > > > Lagnapada, > > > > > > > > Prasna > > > > > > > > > >> Rasi and Secret Prasna Arudha calculation. No > Prasna- > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > there... :-/ > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Though I must add that first time when I was > > > explained > > > > how > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > >> numbers given by clients, explanation was > precisely > > > this > > > > > > > > procedure > > > > > > > > > >> which you are mentioning. It was much before I was > > > > reading > > > > > > > > Visti's > > > > > > > > > >> article. Number between 1 and 108, divided with 12 > > > for > > > > rasi > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > >> solution to the problem and subtracting digits for > > > Graha > > > > > > > > causing a > > > > > > > > > >> problem. I was surprised not to find this in > Visti's > > > > > > article. > > > > > > > > Trust > > > > > > > > > >> me, it is not there. Only... how do we get > > > naksatra? > > > > I am > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > >> familiar with this. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> 2. To prove I was reading this so many times > mentioned > > > > > > article > > > > > > > > (it > > > > > > > > > >> would be terrible from my side to expect you to do > > > the > > > > whole > > > > > > > > job > > > > > > > > > >> while I am being nothing else but lazy , I will > > > give > > > > you a > > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > >> on first prasna. I do see inimical grahas towards > > > > Karyesa > > > > > > (also > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > >> Karya Bhava) and in 7th bhava. Why did you decide > to > > > > answer > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > >> question in first place if this clearly shows > clients > > > > bad > > > > > > > > intention? > > > > > > > > > >> Or my understanding of Karya Bhava and Karyesha > > > choice > > > > for > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > query > > > > > > > > > >> is wrong (relationship issue, so Sk for Karyesha > and > > > 7th > > > > > > Bhava > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > >> Karya Bhava)? > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> From question it self I can conclude that this > native > > > > has > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > >> serious afflictions regarding partnership in > his/her > > > > chart. > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > >> mean REALLY SERIOUS. Am I correct (I can not base > this > > > > > > > > conclusion on > > > > > > > > > >> analyzing Prasna you gave. I am not that good. > But I > > > am > > > > very > > > > > > > > curious > > > > > > > > > >> about the answer)? So much doubt and fear in this > > > > > > question... > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > >> relationship based on these " emotions " can last. > If > > > this > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > >> not your friend, this is great for your finances. > > > He/She > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > be back > > > > > > > > > >> for more and more Prasnas on regular basis and > never > > > > solve > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > >> root problem (which = " fears & doubts " ) which is > > > > bringing > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > >> choices in his/her life. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Regards, > > > > > > > > > >> Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> --- On *Sun, 11/23/08, Rafal > > > > Gendarz /<starsuponme@ ...>/* > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > > > > > > >> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Paul Prasna > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > <srijagannat h%40. com>, " sohamsa " > > > > > > > > <sohamsa@ s .com <sohamsa% > 40. > > > > com>> > > > > > > > > > >> Sunday, November 23, 2008, 9:57 AM > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Maja, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > >> * > > > > > > > > > >> *1. Prasna Rasi based on your calculation shows > what > > > is > > > > on > > > > > > > > mind, > > > > > > > > > >> navamsa shows related person, secret arudha is to > see > > > > > > > > underlying > > > > > > > > > >> issue of prashna (which native may not be aware > of) > > > > which I > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > >> use a lot infact. Chandra position shows nature of > > > > second > > > > > > > > querry, > > > > > > > > > >> I was referring to whole procedure of counting the > > > bhava > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > >> Prashna-chandra which I believe is explained in > > > Visti's > > > > > > > > lecture. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> This number technique we can use also in natal > chart. > > > > For > > > > > > > > example > > > > > > > > > >> for number 13 we have 4 (1+3) and Rahu will show > the > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > >> Graha here shows issue, rasi the remedy, whilst > > > > nakshatra - > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > >> has been done. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Infact I have seen that Lagnesh in eight makes one > > > lose > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >> interest. I have two examples in this regard: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> *example 1 : if this person will cheat me? this is > > > > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > > > >> prashna at the starting of dating.* > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> November 16, 2008 > > > > > > > > > >> Time: 15:49:10 > > > > > > > > > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > >> Place: 21 E 00' 00 " , 52 N 15' 00 " > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> After few days native lose interest in > relationship > > > with > > > > > > > > that person. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> *example 2: if I will get this job? * > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> November 20, 2008 > > > > > > > > > >> Time: 12:12:36 > > > > > > > > > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > >> Place: 21 E 00' 00 " , 52 N 15' 00 " > > > > > > > > > >> Warsaw, Poland > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Again Lagnesh in randhrabhava. Person has lost > > > interest > > > > in > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > >> job even if she could get it. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> 2. Normal or number-arudha (from my example) is > to see > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > >> asked. Here bhava shows motive whilst lord shows > > > querry. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> 3. Chattira Rasi shows blessings/curses and > remedies, > > > > this > > > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > >> answer from Jagannath. It also shows what is > advicable > > > > > > > > > >> to do in certain dillemas. To see if we have > access > > > to > > > > some > > > > > > > > > >> eventh during this year see the connection of > > > Karyesh, > > > > Karya > > > > > > > > > >> bhava and Lagna - if there is Chandra aspecting > then > > > > this > > > > > > > > is more > > > > > > > > > >> likely to happen. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> We dont answer the querry if Shani/Rahu are in > Lagna > > > or > > > > > > > > enemy of > > > > > > > > > >> prashna-karaka is in karyabhava. We also skip > Prashna > > > > when > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >> navamsa doesnt indicate the querrist. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Hope this helps.* > > > > > > > > > >> * > > > > > > > > > >> Regards, > > > > > > > > > >> Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > >> ------------ --------- -------- > > > > > > > > > >> http://rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > >> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Maja S(trbac pisze: > > > > > > > > > >>> Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> Dear Rafal, Namaste > > > > > > > > > >>> Whoever first used " comments bellow " option on > this > > > > list, > > > > > > > > God > > > > > > > > > >>> bless him/her. It is so much easier. Check > bellow > > > > > > > > please. Thanx. > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> Regards, > > > > > > > > > >>> Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> --- On *Sat, 11/22/08, Rafal > Gendarz /<starsuponme@ > > > > > > > > wp.pl>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> > > > > > > > > > >>> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Paul Prasna > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> Saturday, November 22, 2008, 4:50 PM > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* > > > > > > > > > >>> Dear Maja, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> Your counting is to find out the issue and hidden > > > issue > > > > > > > > > >>> (based on Moon transit). > > > > > > > > > >>> Don't really get this. Chandra is for " hidden > issue " > > > > > > > > or just > > > > > > > > > >>> " issue " ? I thought that we use 8th bhava in > Prasna > > > for > > > > > > > > > >>> hidden Issues. > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> I use number to determine Arudha. So I use 12 > number > > > > > > > > scheme > > > > > > > > > >>> (aries-pisces) ; We are both talking about > Visti's > > > > > > > > article > > > > > > > > > >>> " Principles of Prasna " . As far as I was > > > > > > > > > >>> reading it, calculation of Prasna Arudha is > based on > > > > > > > > > >>> calculation of Prasna Rasi (which I was > mentioning in > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > >>> previous email). > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> 27 is Gemini then; 45 is Dhanus. And according to > > > > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > > >>> article this is how we get Number Lagna. I am a > > > little > > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > >>> confused now... That will tell me the motive and > > > > > > > > question, > > > > > > > > > >>> you can answer > > > > > > > > > >>> based on the connection of karaka, bhava karaka > and > > > > > > > > > >>> Lagna/Lagnesh/ Moon. Timings is also based > > > > > > > > > >>> on the yoga between them using Narayana dasa > or/and > > > > > > > > natural > > > > > > > > > >>> period of planet multiplied by its navamsa > passed. > > > > > > > > > >>> I like shortcuts, so I prefer natural period of > > > planet. > > > > > > > > > >>> But I have few unclear points related to this. > > > > > > > > Example: > > > > > > > > > >>> Prasna Rasi Lagna is in Mesh joined with Guru. > Should > > > > > > > > I do > > > > > > > > > >>> the timing based on number of navamsa for > Mangal? If > > > > > > > > client > > > > > > > > > >>> is asking second question, I should observe this > from > > > > > > > > > >>> Chandra of course, but what about timing in this > case > > > > > > > > if I > > > > > > > > > >>> want to judge it in similar way? Let's say > Chandra is > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > >>> Kanya, should I use number of navamsa crossed for > > > > > > > > Budh? > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> This is in London Lecture and my Guruji Lecture > on > > > > > > > > Prashna > > > > > > > > > >>> on Sri Garuda. Yes, yes, currently my favorite, > > > though > > > > > > > > I had > > > > > > > > > >>> no idea about location where it was lectured. > * > > > > > > > > > >>> * > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> Regards, > > > > > > > > > >>> Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > >>> ------------ --------- -------- > > > > > > > > > >>> http://rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > >>> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> Maja S(trbac pisze: > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Dear Rafal, Namaste > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> For few weeks I was lazy to post this question > to > > > > > > > > Visti > > > > > > > > > >>>> here on the list (after reading his article). > His > > > > > > > > birthday > > > > > > > > > >>>> was yesterday, so... How convenient you guys are > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > >>>> this thread. I am sure you know the answer: > > > Prasna > > > > > > > > Rasi > > > > > > > > > >>>> based on number between 1 and 108 given by > client, > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > >>>> should be then divided with 9. Help! What if > client > > > > > > > > gives a > > > > > > > > > >>>> number like 27, 45 etc? There is no remainder in > > > these > > > > > > > > > >>>> cases. Let's take number 27 for example. We get > 3 as > > > > > > > > result > > > > > > > > > >>>> after dividing it with 9. So this is Gemini. > Since > > > > > > > > there is > > > > > > > > > >>>> no remainder, navamsa of Gemini in this case > would > > > > > > > > be...? > > > > > > > > > >>>> Tula ? > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> I have a friend " huched " on asking me to draw > Prasna > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > >>>> her. Four out of five times, D9 lagna in Prasna > > > chart > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > >>>> not match with her natal lagna, and on > that " poor " > > > > > > > > fifth > > > > > > > > > >>>> occasion she gave number 108... So now she hates > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > >>>> Please help. I wish if I knew then this what you > > > > > > > > wrote in > > > > > > > > > >>>> your email bellow. > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Regards, > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> --- On *Sat, 11/22/08, Rafal > Gendarz /<starsuponme@ > > > > > > > > > >>>> wp.pl>/* wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Paul Prasna > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Saturday, November 22, 2008, 9:09 AM > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* > > > > > > > > > >>>> Dear Subbu, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Sometimes we dont have data to compare navamsa > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > >>>> rasi, therefore if I see that Prashna chart is > > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > >>>> related to the querry asked I go forward with > the > > > > > > > > > >>>> analysis. If Arudha was not connected to Budha, > > > > > > > > tenth > > > > > > > > > >>>> and twelfth then I would skip it. > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Regards, > > > > > > > > > >>>> Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > >>>> ------------ --------- -------- > > > > > > > > > >>>> http://rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > >>>> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Subbu pisze: > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks Rafal ji for drawing this prasna. I did > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > >>>>> interesting > > > > > > > > > >>>>> thing which i wanted to share(may not have much > > > > > > > > bearing). > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I took the message # of Paul on and > > > > > > > > added > > > > > > > > > >>>>> the digits to a > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2 digit #. Got Prasna Arudha in 9th from lagna > > > > > > > > he has > > > > > > > > > >>>>> drawn and > > > > > > > > > >>>>> understood query is regarding higher education, > > > > > > > > > >>>>> scholarship, travel > > > > > > > > > >>>>> etc. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> One question when you drew the current prasna > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > >>>>> paul birth > > > > > > > > > >>>>> details , how you are sure that god allowed you > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > >>>>> answer the same. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Did you match D9 of your prasna with Paul's > > > > > > > > prasna . > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Please > > > > > > > > > >>>>> elaborate. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Regards, > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Subbu > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> <srijagannat h%40. com>, > Rafal > > > > > > > > Gendarz > > > > > > > > > >>>>> <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > Dear Pram, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > Jyotisha is Surya so he decides when to cast > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >>>>> prashna inspired > > > > > > > > > >>>>> by the > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > Devata he worships. Prashna is very dependent > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > >>>>> one's sadhana as > > > > > > > > > >>>>> here > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > God speaks to Jyotisha directly giving the > > > > > > > > answer. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> So I never > > > > > > > > > >>>>> analyze > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > the chart which was drawn by someone else as > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > >>>>> not the answer > > > > > > > > > >>>>> for > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > me and I dont even know if there is answer > so I > > > > > > > > > >>>>> prefer to recite > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Jyotir > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > mantra and draw prashna for the person by > > > > > > > > myself as > > > > > > > > > >>>>> then I can > > > > > > > > > >>>>> analyze > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > the nimitta directly from my surrounding and > > > > > > > > map it > > > > > > > > > >>>>> into the chakra. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > Regards, > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > ------------ --------- -------- > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com/ > > > > > > <http://rohinaa. com/ <http://rohinaa. com/ > <http://rohinaa.com/>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > rafal@ > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > Prem Chopra pisze: > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > ~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~ > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Dear Rafal Ji > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Namaskaram > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Little confused to get about query self or > > > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > >>>>> is it right to > > > > > > > > > >>>>> seek > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > present moment and the place where > > > > > > > > astrologer is > > > > > > > > > >>>>> analyzing. or > > > > > > > > > >>>>> the > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > where the querier is ? This question help > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > >>>>> too for > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > clearification. I can understand any > > > > > > > > shortcuts. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> This system is > > > > > > > > > >>>>> also > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > means that if astrologer is stood up with > > > > > > > > for any > > > > > > > > > >>>>> reason while > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > analyzing the chart are rejoin the same > chart > > > > > > > > > >>>>> again the one have > > > > > > > > > >>>>> to > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > check presently position too which is > > > > > > > > different as > > > > > > > > > >>>>> well as if it > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > changes days then Day lord give different > > > > > > > > way of > > > > > > > > > >>>>> answering which > > > > > > > > > >>>>> may > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > querier not able to bear it and move on to > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > >>>>> astro analyzer > > > > > > > > > >>>>> which > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > means Saturn is taking the advantage of > > > > > > > > lingering > > > > > > > > > >>>>> factor and Rahu > > > > > > > > > >>>>> is > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > enjoying the uneasiness of the person in > > > > > > > > delaying > > > > > > > > > >>>>> matters. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Tem Pram Chopra > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Rafal > > > > > > > > Gendarz > > > > > > > > > >>>>> <starsuponme@ > > > > > > > > > >>>>> wp.pl> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Dear Paul, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > The advise coming from tradition is that we > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > >>>>> not draw > > > > > > > > > >>>>> prasna > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > for ourselves. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > I have drawn the prasna for you: > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > November 22, 2008 > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Time: 10:03:33 > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Place: 21 E 00' 00 " , 52 N 15' 00 " > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > 1) Arudha lagna in tenth - querry inspired > by > > > > > > > > > >>>>> emotions > > > > > > > > > >>>>> connected > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > to career > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > 2) Arudha lagnesh Budha - querry related to > > > > > > > > career > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > 3) Budha in twelfth bhava - abroad-career > > > > > > > > querry > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Chattira Rasi falls to tenth bhava with > > > > > > > > Moon - > > > > > > > > > >>>>> tenth bhava > > > > > > > > > >>>>> shows > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > career again whilst Moon shows medicine > > > > > > > > related. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Lagna has > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Lagnesh > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > aspected by Moon and strong in Ashtakavarga > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > >>>>> sixth lord > > > > > > > > > >>>>> and > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Budha lords tenth and its in twelfth which > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > >>>>> positive > > > > > > > > > >>>>> answer > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > altough there can be problem with green > card > > > > > > > > > >>>>> (ninth) finances, > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > promotions, subordinates as Vrscika has low > > > > > > > > points > > > > > > > > > >>>>> in AV. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > The yoga sits in dual signs so it can > happen > > > > > > > > in 20 > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Nov-20 > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Dec; 20 > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Feb-20 Mar; 20 May-20 Jun; 20 Aug-20 Sep; > As > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Chandra sits in > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Chattira it can happen very quick; Guru is > > > > > > > > > >>>>> strongest so from > > > > > > > > > >>>>> one > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > month to eight months - 20 Dec to 20 Jul. > So > > > > > > > > based > > > > > > > > > >>>>> on that it > > > > > > > > > >>>>> can > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > happen very soon or in : a) 20 Feb-20 Mar > b) > > > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > > >>>>> May-20 Jun; > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > ------------ --------- -------- > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > http://rohinaa. <http://rohinaa. / > > > > > > <http://rohinaa. / <http://rohinaa. / > <http://rohinaa./>>>> com > > > > > > > > > >>>>> <http://www.rohinaa. com/ > > > > > > > > <http://www.rohinaa. com/ <http://www.rohinaa. com/ > > > > > > <http://www.rohinaa. com/ <http://www.rohinaa.com/>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal@ ...> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > ------------ --------- --------- -------- - > > > > > > > > > >>>>> --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > >>>>> ------ > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > > > > > > > > > >>>>> <http://www.avg. com/ <http://www.avg. com/ > > > > > > <http://www.avg. com/ <http://www.avg.com/>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: > > > > > > > > 270.9.9/1804 - > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Release Date: > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2008-11-21 18:24 > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- -- -- > ---- > > > - > > > > - > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- -- > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: > 270.9.9/1804 - > > > > > > > > Release 2008-11-21 18:24 > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --- -- > ---- > > > - > > > > ---- > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > ------------ ------ > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > > > > > > > > > >>>> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: > 270.9.9/1804 - > > > > > > > > Release 2008-11-21 18:24 > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---- -- > --- > > > -- > > > > ---- > > > > > > --- - > > > > > > > > ------------ - > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > > > > > > > > > >>> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1806 - > > > > Release > > > > > > > > 2008-11-22 18:59 > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ----- -- > -- - > > > -- > > > > ---- > > > > > > -- - > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > <http://www.avg. > > > > com > > > > > > <http://www.avg. com <http://www.avg.com>>> > > > > > > > > > >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1806 - > > > > Release > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > 2008-11-22 18:59 > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ------ -- > - -- > > > -- > > > > ---- > > > > > > - - > > > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > <http://www.avg. > > > > com > > > > > > <http://www.avg. com <http://www.avg.com>>> > > > > > > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1806 - > > > Release > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > 2008-11-22 18:59 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -- > ---- > > > -- > > > > - - > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com <http://www.avg. > com > > > <http://www.avg.com>> > > > > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - > Release > > > > Date: > > > > > > 2008-11-23 18:59 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---- -- > --- - > > > -- > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com <http://www.avg.com> > > > > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1810 - Release > > > Date: > > > > 2008-11-24 14:36 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ -- > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1818 - Release Date: > 2008-11-28 19:31 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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