Trying to understand Ishta for those who do not worship in particular forms....

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||| Aum Krishna Guru |||

 

Dear Sonali Ji and Samjay P, Namaskaar.

 

Allow me to share some of my thoughts. The below is subjective and could be

considered speculative.

 

There is a segment in society who do not believe in idol worship or cannot find

God in any particular form. This does not indicate a lack of divinity or

spirituality.

 

Here is an approach I try to follow when such a person asks for guidance and the

12th from Kaarakamsa has to be revealed...

 

Use the elements and nature.

 

For example, the higher spirit we commonly refer to as God may speak to a person

having the Moon (Chandra) in this position, when visiting water bodies.

[in one of the conferences, a chart of a singer from " The Beach Boys " was

discussed. This celebrity felt a divine purpose near the water and authored many

songs about the beach, etc.]

 

Likewise, the Sun in such a position may have a person speak to him with

representations of sun-rise, day-break, twilight, etc.

 

Hope some of these thoughts help.

 

Best wishes,

Nitin.

 

|| Namah Shivaaya ||

 

 

 

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Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar

sohamsa

Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:31:22 -0500

 

>--

 

>|| Om Gurave Namah ||

>

>Dear Sonali,

>

> You can call me Sanjay without a Ji.

>

>>When it is said that 'worship of good or evil deities', how do we

>>co-relate that with people who dont do puja and such ?

>

>

> In Jaimini Sutra (Ref:Jaimini Updesa/SRath) malefics in 12th from Ak can

>give worship of lower dieties (Ketu not malefic here).

> Also Maharishi says Venus if being the 12th lord from Ak can gives worship

>of of lower dieties too.

>Refer charts like Hitler or Ted Bundy (given in last Jyotish Digest) Note

>thier 12th from Ak is lorded by Venus and Venus was the Ak.

>

>My understanding is, 12th from Ak is Ishta, Ishta means just the desires of

>the soul. Now when we worship higherforms then it becomes Ishta Devata. 12th

>from Ak is the natural desires of the soul. Everybody has some Ishta follows

>that path. Naturally a native will be drawn to matters related to 12th Ak

>and give the person " a purpose " . But proper worship I think we just make

>sure we are in the right path.

>

>

>Warm Regards

>Sanjay P

>

>Hare Rama Krishna

 

 

 

 

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|| Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Nitin and SanjayP-ji, namaskar. Both of you have raised very good points. I was reading Kapilopadesha (a segment of Bhagavatam) in which Maharshi Kalipa describes, how worship of various grades of deities result in going to various lokas after birth, the highest loka being Satya loka which is achieved by worship of Mahavishnu (of which Sri Kapila is an incarnation). This indicates that (a) there are indeed various grades of deitiesOr(b) it is the same 'overall' deity and we are worshipping an aspect of Him/Her and that forms our deity.Tamasika grahas in the 12-th from karakaamsa (can we call this Ishtaamsa ?) can show a lower aspect of deity inwhich tamasika qualities are more manifest. Opposite for Satvika grahas. Rasi drishti(s) on and ownership of this Ishtaamsa is also to be considered. This is my understanding.Another thought is that, say there are two persons with same AK graha having same Ju in the Ishtaamsa. Does it mean that they are appealing to the same deity ? I doubt. Each individual is different. If two persons worships the same form of Sri Vishnu, there is a difference in the worship (in desire of objects for which worship is made or in intensity of longing, say.) Thus we should take into account the rasi aspects, lorship and more importantly (to my understanding) the rasi itself of the Ishtaamsa.Nitin, is it because of Mo or it is because of some jalatatva rasi in the Ishtamsa of that singer/composer ? I understand it as Ishtaamsa is the place of repose of the soul (which it can get by getting rid of maayik experiences) and the graha sitting in there/influencing it, it the deity/conciousness to whom the native (bound soul) seeks this repose/refuge. Agnostics have such deities as well whether they want to believe it or not.Best wishes,Sourav============================================================================================sohamsa , "Nitin K" <sjc@j...> wrote:>> ||| Aum Krishna Guru |||> > Dear Sonali Ji and Samjay P, Namaskaar. > > Allow me to share some of my thoughts. The below is subjective and could be considered speculative.> > There is a segment in society who do not believe in idol worship or cannot find God in any particular form. This does not indicate a lack of divinity or spirituality. > > Here is an approach I try to follow when such a person asks for guidance and the 12th from Kaarakamsa has to be revealed...> > Use the elements and nature.> > For example, the higher spirit we commonly refer to as God may speak to a person having the Moon (Chandra) in this position, when visiting water bodies. > [in one of the conferences, a chart of a singer from "The Beach Boys" was discussed. This celebrity felt a divine purpose near the water and authored many songs about the beach, etc.]> > Likewise, the Sun in such a position may have a person speak to him with representations of sun-rise, day-break, twilight, etc. > > Hope some of these thoughts help.> > Best wishes, > Nitin.> > || Namah Shivaaya ||> > > > --> Sanjay Prabhakaran sanjaychettiar@g...> sohamsa > Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:31:22 -0500> > >--> > >|| Om Gurave Namah ||> >> >Dear Sonali,> >> > You can call me Sanjay without a Ji.> >> >>When it is said that 'worship of good or evil deities', how do we> >>co-relate that with people who dont do puja and such ?> >> >> > In Jaimini Sutra (Ref:Jaimini Updesa/SRath) malefics in 12th from Ak can> >give worship of lower dieties (Ketu not malefic here).> > Also Maharishi says Venus if being the 12th lord from Ak can gives worship> >of of lower dieties too.> >Refer charts like Hitler or Ted Bundy (given in last Jyotish Digest) Note> >thier 12th from Ak is lorded by Venus and Venus was the Ak.> >> >My understanding is, 12th from Ak is Ishta, Ishta means just the desires of> >the soul. Now when we worship higherforms then it becomes Ishta Devata. 12th> >from Ak is the natural desires of the soul. Everybody has some Ishta follows> >that path. Naturally a native will be drawn to matters related to 12th Ak> >and give the person "a purpose". But proper worship I think we just make> >sure we are in the right path.> >> >> >Warm Regards> >Sanjay P> >> >Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > ______________> Sent via the WebMail system at justnitin.com>

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||| Aum Krishna Guru |||

 

Dear List Members, Namaskaar...

 

Let's not use " Ishtaamsa, " though it is understood what position you are

referring to in the vargas (subdivisonal charts).

[There are so many terms to learn and grasp, why create a new one?]

 

" Jivan Muktaamsa " perhaps would be better as it is referred to in Chandra Kala

Naadi.

 

2 people with the same Ishta need not feel attracted to the same deity (if

inclined to worship) or the same form. What the person finds closer in his/her

heart will be a representation found from the Vimsamsa (D20).

 

Sourav -- Chandra (Moon) as a graha (planet) represents jiva atman. The Rashi

holding it would represent jar atman.

 

For a wholistic perspective, consider both.

 

Hope some of this helps. May the Gurus continue to guide us.

 

Best wishes,

Nitin,

 

|| Namah Shivaaya ||

 

 

 

 

 

--

" Sourav Chowdhury " <souravc108

sohamsa

Fri, 02 Dec 2005 23:54:59 -0000

 

>--

 

>

>|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

>Dear Nitin and SanjayP-ji,

>

> namaskar. Both of you have

raised very good points. I was reading Kapilopadesha (a segment of Bhagavatam)

in which Maharshi Kalipa describes, how worship of various grades of deities

result in going to various lokas after birth, the highest loka being Satya loka

which is achieved by worship of Mahavishnu (of which Sri Kapila is an

incarnation). This indicates that

>

>(a) there are indeed various grades of deities

>

>Or

>

>(b) it is the same 'overall' deity and we are worshipping an aspect of Him/Her

and that forms our deity.

>

>Tamasika grahas in the 12-th from karakaamsa (can we call this Ishtaamsa ?) can

show a lower aspect of deity inwhich tamasika qualities are more manifest.

Opposite for Satvika grahas. Rasi drishti(s) on and ownership of this Ishtaamsa

is also to be considered. This is my understanding.

>

>Another thought is that, say there are two persons with same AK graha having

same Ju in the Ishtaamsa. Does it mean that they are appealing to the same deity

? I doubt. Each individual is different. If two persons worships the same form

of Sri Vishnu, there is a difference in the worship (in desire of objects for

which worship is made or in intensity of longing, say.) Thus we should take into

account the rasi aspects, lorship and more importantly (to my understanding) the

rasi itself of the Ishtaamsa.

>

>Nitin, is it because of Mo or it is because of some jalatatva rasi in the

Ishtamsa of that singer/composer ? I understand it as Ishtaamsa is the place of

repose of the soul (which it can get by getting rid of maayik experiences) and

the graha sitting in there/influencing it, it the deity/conciousness to whom the

native (bound soul) seeks this repose/refuge. Agnostics have such deities as

well whether they want to believe it or not.

>

>Best wishes,

>

>Sourav

>

>===============================================================================\

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>sohamsa , " Nitin K " <sjc@j...> wrote:

>>

>> ||| Aum Krishna Guru |||

>>

>> Dear Sonali Ji and Samjay P, Namaskaar.

>>

>> Allow me to share some of my thoughts. The below is subjective and could be

considered speculative.

>>

>> There is a segment in society who do not believe in idol worship or cannot

find God in any particular form. This does not indicate a lack of divinity or

spirituality.

>>

>> Here is an approach I try to follow when such a person asks for guidance and

the 12th from Kaarakamsa has to be revealed...

>>

>> Use the elements and nature.

>>

>> For example, the higher spirit we commonly refer to as God may speak to a

person having the Moon (Chandra) in this position, when visiting water bodies.

>> [in one of the conferences, a chart of a singer from " The Beach Boys " was

discussed. This celebrity felt a divine purpose near the water and authored many

songs about the beach, etc.]

>>

>> Likewise, the Sun in such a position may have a person speak to him with

representations of sun-rise, day-break, twilight, etc.

>>

>> Hope some of these thoughts help.

>>

>> Best wishes,

>> Nitin.

>>

>> || Namah Shivaaya ||

>>

>>

>>

>> --

>> Sanjay Prabhakaran sanjaychettiar@g...

>> sohamsa

>> Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:31:22 -0500

>>

>> >--

>>

>> >|| Om Gurave Namah ||

>> >

>> >Dear Sonali,

>> >

>> > You can call me Sanjay without a Ji.

>> >

>> >>When it is said that 'worship of good or evil deities', how do we

>> >>co-relate that with people who dont do puja and such ?

>> >

>> >

>> > In Jaimini Sutra (Ref:Jaimini Updesa/SRath) malefics in 12th from Ak can

>> >give worship of lower dieties (Ketu not malefic here).

>> > Also Maharishi says Venus if being the 12th lord from Ak can gives worship

>> >of of lower dieties too.

>> >Refer charts like Hitler or Ted Bundy (given in last Jyotish Digest) Note

>> >thier 12th from Ak is lorded by Venus and Venus was the Ak.

>> >

>> >My understanding is, 12th from Ak is Ishta, Ishta means just the desires of

>> >the soul. Now when we worship higherforms then it becomes Ishta Devata. 12th

>> >from Ak is the natural desires of the soul. Everybody has some Ishta follows

>> >that path. Naturally a native will be drawn to matters related to 12th Ak

>> >and give the person " a purpose " . But proper worship I think we just make

>> >sure we are in the right path.

>> >

>> >

>> >Warm Regards

>> >Sanjay P

>> >

>> >Hare Rama Krishna

 

 

 

 

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