Guest guest Posted August 20, 2000 Report Share Posted August 20, 2000 Dear Narasimha, Pranaams. I just want to clarify one point: We have to calculate Varnada Lagna on the basis of the degrees of Lagna and Hora Lagna, and thus we get a certain point of the zodiac containing Varnada Lagna. You seem to have taken the same sign in all the D-charts for considering ther influences on Varnada Lagna. Of course there's no degrees in D-charts for planets or Lagnas. But isn't it thqat we have to tkae the degree in Rasi and calculate the Dasamsa position on that basis? Yours, Gauranga das > > > > Namaste friends, > > Someone on vedic astrology or varahamihira asked about the use > of Varnada Lagna (VL) recently. Though I did not have time to > answer it, the question remained on the top of my mind. > > After reading the answer to Gauranga Prabhu's puzzle, I thought > VL in D-10 could contain Rahu and checked. It does. Using this > example, I will say a few words on VL. > > * * * > > COMPUTATION > > For the definition of VL, please read Sanjay's " Jaimini > Maharsishi's Upadesa Sutras " . He gives two definitions, one > based on longitudes and the other based on rasis. Though BPHS > seems to recommend the latter (based on the Sanskrit text given > by Santhanam), I follow Sanjay's advice and use the longitudes. > > Take the longitudes of lagna and horalagna (HL). If one of them > is in an even sign, subtract the longitude from 360 deg. Add > the two longitudes if lagna and HL are in the sign of same > oddity (odd-odd or even-even). If one is in an odd sign and the > other in an even sign, take the difference instead. If lagna is > in an even sign, subtract this result from 360 deg. The final > result gives the longitude of VL. > > [Note: Subtracting a longitude from 360 deg is equivalent to > measuring the longitude from the end of Pisces instead of the > beginning of Aries.] > > WHAT IT SHOWS > > Varna means caste or class. It shows the type of people one > deals with. VL in D-10 shows the kind of people one deals with > in one's profession. A7 in D-10 can denote people one would > ASSOCIATE with (colleagues, friends and people one hangs out > with) and VL in D-10 can denote people one would DEAL with. > > EXAMPLE > > Let us take the lady in Gauranga's puzzle. Lagna is at 4Cn31, > i.e. 127-31. HL is at 26Sg54, i.e. 266-54. Both are in odd > signs and we don't need to subtract these values from 360 deg. > Because both are in odd signs, we add the two and get 394-25, > which is equivalent to 34-25. Because lagna is in an odd sign, > we do not have to subtract this from 360-0. So VL is at 34-25 > or 4Ta25. This puts VL in Aq in D-10. One may verify that Aq > has Rahu in it in D-10. > > Because A7 is in Sg aspected by Jupiter, she may associate with > people of law and later wise people. But Rahu in VL makes her > deal with either the shady elements of the society or with the > highly spiritual monks. > > Indian politician Jayalalita's D-10 has A7 in Li with Moon and > VL in Sc with Saturn. This shows associating with witty > politicians and dealing with masses (Saturn). Assssinated US > designer Versace has VL in Cp with Ketu in D-10 and it shows > some dealings with underworld dominating his career. I have VL > in D-10 in Ta with Sun and Mercury in it. So I may deal with > smart people (Mercury) and managers (Sun) in my career. Sanjay > has VL in D-10 in Ge, aspected by Mercury and Mars. So he may > deal with intelligent people and some police officers (he is > in the defense ministry). > > Lagna changes at the rate of 1 deg in 4 min. HL changes at the > rate of 2 deg in 4 min. VL has a variable rate of change, but > it can be as high as 3 deg in 4 min. So never assume VL in > given D-10 to be correct. It may need rectification. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Info: varahamihira/info.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2000 Report Share Posted August 20, 2000 Namaste Gauranga Prabhu, > I just want to clarify one point: We have to calculate Varnada Lagna on the basis of the > degrees of Lagna and Hora Lagna, and thus we get a certain point of the zodiac containing > Varnada Lagna. You seem to have taken the same sign in all the D- charts for considering > ther influences on Varnada Lagna. Of course there's no degrees in D- charts for planets or > Lagnas. But isn't it thqat we have to tkae the degree in Rasi and calculate the Dasamsa > position on that basis? Yes and that is what I did. If you read the quote below, you will see that I found VL at 4Ta25 and found Aq to be its D-10 position. Dasamsas in Taurus start from Cp (9th from Ta), as Ta is even. You can see that 4 deg 25' is in the 2nd dasamsa (first: 0-3 deg, second: 3-6 deg). The 2nd from Cp is Aq. So I said that VL is in Aq in D-10. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > > Let us take the lady in Gauranga's puzzle. Lagna is at 4Cn31, > > i.e. 127-31. HL is at 26Sg54, i.e. 266-54. Both are in odd > > signs and we don't need to subtract these values from 360 deg. > > Because both are in odd signs, we add the two and get 394-25, > > which is equivalent to 34-25. Because lagna is in an odd sign, > > we do not have to subtract this from 360-0. So VL is at 34-25 > > or 4Ta25. This puts VL in Aq in D-10. One may verify that Aq > > has Rahu in it in D-10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 Namaste, The counting is only of rasis and not of longitudes. If you read BPHS, you will see that Parasara is unambiguous. He mentions how to find the "rasi" occupied by varnada lagna and does not describe any method to find "longitude" of varnada lagna. He talks about counting signs starting from Aries or Pisces and does not mention counting longitudes from the *end* of Pisces. He is clearly counting rasis. Thus, varnada lagna is like arudha lagna and does not have a longitude. It is found separately in each divisional chart. I lost my copy of Upadesa Sutras of Sanjay and cannot verify what he gave. However, his personal teaching to me long back was to count signs only (and not longitudes). Even if he taught otherwise in his book, the bottomline, as far as I am concerned, there is no scope for ambiguity in Parasara's teaching. One can do this longitude business even with arudha lagna. Suppose lagna is at 1 deg Li. Suppose Venus is at 29 deg Sc. You can say that Venus is 58 deg from lagna and add 58 deg to Venus and get 27 deg in Cp and claim that arudha lagna is at 27 deg Cp. However, that is incorrect. We take Venus to be in the 2nd house from lagna and taking 2nd house from him, we get arudha lagna in Sg. The same thing is true with varnada lagna. In your first example, both are even. Counting back from Pi, we get counts of 3 (for Cp) and 5 (for Sc). Because both are based on count from Pi, we add them. We get 8. Counting the 8th sign back from Pi, we get Le. JHora reports the longitude degrees of lagna for all varnadas, but really varnada lagna has no longitude associated with it, just like arudha lagna. Best regards,NarasimhaDo Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , "Sonia Gupta" <soniagupta wrote:>> Hare Rama Krishna> > > > Namaste Respected Members,> > > > Happy Shravan Masa !! Om Namah Shivaya !!!> > > > > > I am learning to calculate the Varnda Lagna and is following Updesa Sutras> (Translated by Sanjay Ji). While doing the calculations manually, found that> the Varnada Lagna I am getting after following the steps is not matching> with the JHora Calculations. I tried many times to do the same thing. But no> luck. > > > > I would really appreciate if learned members could please point me to the> mistake I am doing in the calculations. I am copying two VL calculations in> the email. Also I am attaching both of the charts.> > > > > > Varnada Lagna: Recommended Method from Jaimini Updesa Sutras ( Sanjay Rath> Ji). Page 373> > > > Sonia Chart:> > Lagna:- Sc 16 Degrees (7s 16 Degrees)> Hora Lagna:- Cp 21 Degrees (9s 21 Degrees)> > Step 1:> > If Lagna is in even sign then count reverse from Pisces.> Lagna is Even so :- 360 - 7s 16 = 360 - 226 = 134 = 4s> 14Degrees> > If Hora Lagna is in Even sign then count reverse from Pisces.> Hora Lagna is Even so : 360 - 9s21 = 360 - 291 = 69 = 2s 9> Degrees> > Step 2:> > If Lagna and Hora Lagna of same oddity then add both Lagna and Hora Lagna> Both are Even So Lagna + Hora Lagna = 4s14 + 2s9 = 6s23> Degrees.> > Step 3:> > If Lagna is in even sign then count the the resultant from Step 2 reverse> from Pisces.> Step 2 resultant is Even so :- 360 - 6s 23 = 360 - 203 => 157 = 5s 7Degrees > > > > So the Varnada Lagna comes to : Virgo 7 Degrees > > But JHora has Leo 16 Degrees.> > > > Harish Chart:> > Lagna:- Sc 23 Degrees (7s 23 Degrees)> Hora Lagna:- Le 1 Degrees (4s 1 Degrees)> > Step 1:> > If Lagna is in even sign then count reverse from Pisces.> Lagna is Even so :- 360 - 7s 23 = 360 - 233 = 127 = 4s 7> Degrees> > If Hora Lagna is in Even sign then count reverse from Pisces.> Hora Lagna is ODD So counting from Aries so It will be same> 4s 1Degrees> > Step 2:> > If Lagna and Hora Lagna of same oddity then add both Lagna and Hora Lagna> No Both are of different oddity> > If Lagna and Hora Lagna of different oddity then take the difference of> both Lagna and Hora Lagna> Lagna - Hora Lagna = 4s 7Degrees - 4s 1 Degrees = 6 Degrees OR Ar 6> Degrees> > Step 3:> > If Lagna is in even sign then count the the resultant from Step 2 reverse> from Pisces.> Step 2 resultant is Even so :- 360 - 6 = 360 - 6 = 354 => 11s 24 Degrees > > > > So the Varnada Lagna comes to : Pisces 24 Degrees > > But JHora has Aries 23 Degrees.> > > > > > Eagerly waiting for the help.> > > > Thanks and Best Regards> > Sonia> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 Hare Rama Krishna Namaste Narasimha Ji, Please accept my gratitude for clarifying the confusion regarding the mismatch of the VL from the JHora. Best Regards Sonia sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao Saturday, 19 July 2008 2:03 PM sohamsa Re: Varnada Lagna Namaste, The counting is only of rasis and not of longitudes. If you read BPHS, you will see that Parasara is unambiguous. He mentions how to find the " rasi " occupied by varnada lagna and does not describe any method to find " longitude " of varnada lagna. He talks about counting signs starting from Aries or Pisces and does not mention counting longitudes from the *end* of Pisces. He is clearly counting rasis. Thus, varnada lagna is like arudha lagna and does not have a longitude. It is found separately in each divisional chart. I lost my copy of Upadesa Sutras of Sanjay and cannot verify what he gave. However, his personal teaching to me long back was to count signs only (and not longitudes). Even if he taught otherwise in his book, the bottomline, as far as I am concerned, there is no scope for ambiguity in Parasara's teaching. One can do this longitude business even with arudha lagna. Suppose lagna is at 1 deg Li. Suppose Venus is at 29 deg Sc. You can say that Venus is 58 deg from lagna and add 58 deg to Venus and get 27 deg in Cp and claim that arudha lagna is at 27 deg Cp. However, that is incorrect. We take Venus to be in the 2nd house from lagna and taking 2nd house from him, we get arudha lagna in Sg. The same thing is true with varnada lagna. In your first example, both are even. Counting back from Pi, we get counts of 3 (for Cp) and 5 (for Sc). Because both are based on count from Pi, we add them. We get 8. Counting the 8th sign back from Pi, we get Le. JHora reports the longitude degrees of lagna for all varnadas, but really varnada lagna has no longitude associated with it, just like arudha lagna. Best regards, Narasimha Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org --- In sohamsa , " Sonia Gupta " <soniagupta wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Namaste Respected Members, > > > > Happy Shravan Masa !! Om Namah Shivaya !!! > > > > > > I am learning to calculate the Varnda Lagna and is following Updesa Sutras > (Translated by Sanjay Ji). While doing the calculations manually, found that > the Varnada Lagna I am getting after following the steps is not matching > with the JHora Calculations. I tried many times to do the same thing. But no > luck. > > > > I would really appreciate if learned members could please point me to the > mistake I am doing in the calculations. I am copying two VL calculations in > the email. Also I am attaching both of the charts. > > > > > > Varnada Lagna: Recommended Method from Jaimini Updesa Sutras ( Sanjay Rath > Ji). Page 373 > > > > Sonia Chart: > > Lagna:- Sc 16 Degrees (7s 16 Degrees) > Hora Lagna:- Cp 21 Degrees (9s 21 Degrees) > > Step 1: > > If Lagna is in even sign then count reverse from Pisces. > Lagna is Even so :- 360 - 7s 16 = 360 - 226 = 134 = 4s > 14Degrees > > If Hora Lagna is in Even sign then count reverse from Pisces. > Hora Lagna is Even so : 360 - 9s21 = 360 - 291 = 69 = 2s 9 > Degrees > > Step 2: > > If Lagna and Hora Lagna of same oddity then add both Lagna and Hora Lagna > Both are Even So Lagna + Hora Lagna = 4s14 + 2s9 = 6s23 > Degrees. > > Step 3: > > If Lagna is in even sign then count the the resultant from Step 2 reverse > from Pisces. > Step 2 resultant is Even so :- 360 - 6s 23 = 360 - 203 = > 157 = 5s 7Degrees > > > > So the Varnada Lagna comes to : Virgo 7 Degrees > > But JHora has Leo 16 Degrees. > > > > Harish Chart: > > Lagna:- Sc 23 Degrees (7s 23 Degrees) > Hora Lagna:- Le 1 Degrees (4s 1 Degrees) > > Step 1: > > If Lagna is in even sign then count reverse from Pisces. > Lagna is Even so :- 360 - 7s 23 = 360 - 233 = 127 = 4s 7 > Degrees > > If Hora Lagna is in Even sign then count reverse from Pisces. > Hora Lagna is ODD So counting from Aries so It will be same > 4s 1Degrees > > Step 2: > > If Lagna and Hora Lagna of same oddity then add both Lagna and Hora Lagna > No Both are of different oddity > > If Lagna and Hora Lagna of different oddity then take the difference of > both Lagna and Hora Lagna > Lagna - Hora Lagna = 4s 7Degrees - 4s 1 Degrees = 6 Degrees OR Ar 6 > Degrees > > Step 3: > > If Lagna is in even sign then count the the resultant from Step 2 reverse > from Pisces. > Step 2 resultant is Even so :- 360 - 6 = 360 - 6 = 354 = > 11s 24 Degrees > > > > So the Varnada Lagna comes to : Pisces 24 Degrees > > But JHora has Aries 23 Degrees. > > > > > > Eagerly waiting for the help. > > > > Thanks and Best Regards > > Sonia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 Dear Sonia, Has shravan masa begun? Best Regards Ramesh sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sonia Gupta Friday, July 18, 2008 9:29 PM sohamsa; Varnada Lagna Hare Rama Krishna Namaste Respected Members, Happy Shravan Masa !! Om Namah Shivaya !!! I am learning to calculate the Varnda Lagna and is following Updesa Sutras (Translated by Sanjay Ji). While doing the calculations manually, found that the Varnada Lagna I am getting after following the steps is not matching with the JHora Calculations. I tried many times to do the same thing. But no luck. I would really appreciate if learned members could please point me to the mistake I am doing in the calculations. I am copying two VL calculations in the email. Also I am attaching both of the charts. Varnada Lagna: Recommended Method from Jaimini Updesa Sutras ( Sanjay Rath Ji). Page 373 Sonia Chart: Lagna:- Sc 16 Degrees (7s 16 Degrees) Hora Lagna:- Cp 21 Degrees (9s 21 Degrees) Step 1: If Lagna is in even sign then count reverse from Pisces. Lagna is Even so :- 360 – 7s 16 = 360 – 226 = 134 = 4s 14Degrees If Hora Lagna is in Even sign then count reverse from Pisces. Hora Lagna is Even so : 360 – 9s21 = 360 – 291 = 69 = 2s 9 Degrees Step 2: If Lagna and Hora Lagna of same oddity then add both Lagna and Hora Lagna Both are Even So Lagna + Hora Lagna = 4s14 + 2s9 = 6s23 Degrees. Step 3: If Lagna is in even sign then count the the resultant from Step 2 reverse from Pisces. Step 2 resultant is Even so :- 360 – 6s 23 = 360 – 203 = 157 = 5s 7Degrees So the Varnada Lagna comes to : Virgo 7 Degrees But JHora has Leo 16 Degrees. Harish Chart: Lagna:- Sc 23 Degrees (7s 23 Degrees) Hora Lagna:- Le 1 Degrees (4s 1 Degrees) Step 1: If Lagna is in even sign then count reverse from Pisces. Lagna is Even so :- 360 – 7s 23 = 360 – 233 = 127 = 4s 7 Degrees If Hora Lagna is in Even sign then count reverse from Pisces. Hora Lagna is ODD So counting from Aries so It will be same 4s 1Degrees Step 2: If Lagna and Hora Lagna of same oddity then add both Lagna and Hora Lagna No Both are of different oddity If Lagna and Hora Lagna of different oddity then take the difference of both Lagna and Hora Lagna Lagna – Hora Lagna = 4s 7Degrees – 4s 1 Degrees = 6 Degrees OR Ar 6 Degrees Step 3: If Lagna is in even sign then count the the resultant from Step 2 reverse from Pisces. Step 2 resultant is Even so :- 360 – 6 = 360 – 6 = 354 = 11s 24 Degrees So the Varnada Lagna comes to : Pisces 24 Degrees But JHora has Aries 23 Degrees. Eagerly waiting for the help. Thanks and Best Regards Sonia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 Dear Ramesh, According to Jagran Panchang, From 19th July. http://in.jagran./panchang/. Best Regards Sonia sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Ramesh F. Gangaramani Saturday, 19 July 2008 11:26 PM sohamsa RE: Varnada Lagna Dear Sonia, Has shravan masa begun? Best Regards Ramesh sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sonia Gupta Friday, July 18, 2008 9:29 PM sohamsa; Varnada Lagna Hare Rama Krishna Namaste Respected Members, Happy Shravan Masa !! Om Namah Shivaya !!! I am learning to calculate the Varnda Lagna and is following Updesa Sutras (Translated by Sanjay Ji). While doing the calculations manually, found that the Varnada Lagna I am getting after following the steps is not matching with the JHora Calculations. I tried many times to do the same thing. But no luck. I would really appreciate if learned members could please point me to the mistake I am doing in the calculations. I am copying two VL calculations in the email. Also I am attaching both of the charts. Varnada Lagna: Recommended Method from Jaimini Updesa Sutras ( Sanjay Rath Ji). Page 373 Sonia Chart: Lagna:- Sc 16 Degrees (7s 16 Degrees) Hora Lagna:- Cp 21 Degrees (9s 21 Degrees) Step 1: If Lagna is in even sign then count reverse from Pisces. Lagna is Even so :- 360 – 7s 16 = 360 – 226 = 134 = 4s 14Degrees If Hora Lagna is in Even sign then count reverse from Pisces. Hora Lagna is Even so : 360 – 9s21 = 360 – 291 = 69 = 2s 9 Degrees Step 2: If Lagna and Hora Lagna of same oddity then add both Lagna and Hora Lagna Both are Even So Lagna + Hora Lagna = 4s14 + 2s9 = 6s23 Degrees. Step 3: If Lagna is in even sign then count the the resultant from Step 2 reverse from Pisces. Step 2 resultant is Even so :- 360 – 6s 23 = 360 – 203 = 157 = 5s 7Degrees So the Varnada Lagna comes to : Virgo 7 Degrees But JHora has Leo 16 Degrees. Harish Chart: Lagna:- Sc 23 Degrees (7s 23 Degrees) Hora Lagna:- Le 1 Degrees (4s 1 Degrees) Step 1: If Lagna is in even sign then count reverse from Pisces. Lagna is Even so :- 360 – 7s 23 = 360 – 233 = 127 = 4s 7 Degrees If Hora Lagna is in Even sign then count reverse from Pisces. Hora Lagna is ODD So counting from Aries so It will be same 4s 1Degrees Step 2: If Lagna and Hora Lagna of same oddity then add both Lagna and Hora Lagna No Both are of different oddity If Lagna and Hora Lagna of different oddity then take the difference of both Lagna and Hora Lagna Lagna – Hora Lagna = 4s 7Degrees – 4s 1 Degrees = 6 Degrees OR Ar 6 Degrees Step 3: If Lagna is in even sign then count the the resultant from Step 2 reverse from Pisces. Step 2 resultant is Even so :- 360 – 6 = 360 – 6 = 354 = 11s 24 Degrees So the Varnada Lagna comes to : Pisces 24 Degrees But JHora has Aries 23 Degrees. Eagerly waiting for the help. Thanks and Best Regards Sonia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 हरे राम कृष्ण Dear Protimesh, Namaskar. Your observations about the 11th house from VL is not in line with what I had learnt, namely that this shows the Varna which you will earn from. How about the situations where the VL or 11th lord from VL is showing a path that the native does not wanto support? I.e. that the Lagna is inimical towards? Therefore there may be professions indicated in the chart which the native does not wanto support and therefore instead chooses something else in life. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti Protimesh Gupta skrev: Dear vistiji, Namasker, going through different charts i had made the following observation about the Varnada of a person :- Varnada lagna rashi shows the actual physical work mode as per the varna of the rashi. Say if person is having a brhamin VL of Venus sign then he would be working would be of an consultant nature. If the VL is of Shudra sign the he has to work hard physically even if one is a peion with brahmin VL he would be enjoying brhamin facalities where as an MD of a company having shudra VL would be engaged in more physical labour. The planet occupying the VL shows your temperament during the work as per the planet in it.ay Mars then always in anger mood , type of anger depending upon the exaltaion etc of the planet. Whereas 11th rashi from VL is the mood you want while working. Say 11 th rashi from VL is Saggatirus , the person will like to in bureaucratic mood , always giving orders . The rashi occupied by the VL lord is actual work which your atma desires. If its in Say earthly sign of venus then bussinessman , in water sign of jupiter then teacher etc. please evaluate my observation and give your valuable comments on it. Regards protimesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 Hare Rama Krsna, I'm trying to learn the technique and application of varnada as given in Visti's Jyotish Fundamentals book. At this stage, I have a question: We are taught to count from Aries/Pisces to HL/Lagna depending on the oddity of Lagna/HL. Thereafter, in case the oddities of HL and Lagna are different, we need to find the difference between the two sums. How do we proceed if the difference is 0 (as for example, we end up with the number 3 from both countings - HL in Gemini and Lagna in Capricorn 3-3=0)? Raja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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