What are the combinations for low self esteem-nakshatramsa

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Om Gurave Namah

Dear Michal,

I think we`ve passed pretty interesting way from our primal

standpoints...I`m glad you and Rafal had been in the mood for the

discussion.

You can find very interesting notes on Nakshatramsa from Pt. Sanjay

Rath`s lecture from Serbia on SJC-Serbia site (written by Maja

Vidakovic).

Warm regards,

Tijana

 

 

, Michal Dziwulski

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> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

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> Dear Tijana,

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> Indeed the Moon has a lot to show us in a chart and I don't agree

with Rafal as he seems to believe it is of lesser importance. When

we are defining the self we cannot deny that the mind has a large

role to play. For example when you see a chart of a person born on a

full Moon you can generally say that the person will be bright, have

common sense, and socially capable. All of these things will

contribute to their sense of self. However, if the Sun is badly

placed then what will the Moon be reflecting? The sense of self has

to come from Sun and Atmakaraka and is reflected and manifested into

the world by Chandra and Arudha Lagna. I hope this is relevant to

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> I have never used Nakshtramsa, if you have any pointers on how to

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> [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

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> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: What are the combinations for low

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> Dear Michal and Rafal,

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> It seems we are getting closer to the answer.

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> Rafal, why only planets in aruda? What about lordship, dristis,

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> Michal, you did a brilliant elaboration of aruda, but it`s not what

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> celebrities who radiates selfconfidence, charm, courage, etc. in

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> Tijana

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> > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] What are the combinations for

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> > > naisargik karaka, if Surya is debilitated then the ego was

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> > > > ++You say they play a role, but only at the level of Mana.

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