Starting Moola dasa from Sun (Answer to Gary Gomes on D-60)

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Jaya Jagannath

Dear Narasimha,

The tradition knows that the Sun represents the Atma which does not know

sorrow nor happiness. It merely observes all that is happening to gain

knowledge. The Phalita Dasa's are basically the interaction of the body and

Mana with the environment and hence the Lagna or Moon should be considered.

If you read Parasara carefully, then you will always find that the various

dasa's are focused to start from either Lagna or the Moon alone.

Varahamihira also held a similar traditional view. Satyacharya has deviated

in a number of points. Some of these are very useful as he has given the

practise among astrologers of his days. Kalyan Verma picks up this thread.

Actually the stanza quoted by kalyan Verma was with reference to Ayur

Dasa and not to Phalita Dasa. there is a clear line between these types of

Dasa's. Thus we really cannot say that he advocated for starting from the

Sun in Phalita Dasa like the Moola Dasa. He was talking about using the

stronger between the Sun, Moon and Lagna to calculate the longevity using

different mathematical models.

What is the basis for your advocacy of Sun for starting Phalita Dasa?

With Best Wishes,

Sanjay Rath

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Narasimha Rao <pvr

<vedic astrology >

Sunday, July 30, 2000 11:26 PM

[vedic astrology] Starting Moola dasa from Sun (Re: Answer to Gary

Gomes on D-60)

 

 

> Pranaam Gurudeva,

>

> > Please let me correct you about the starting of the Dasa.

> Kalyan Verma

> > said that he found the Satyacharya priciple of starting the Dasa

> from the

> > Lagna, Sun or Moon to be satisfactory and has also hinted at others

> using

> > different methods. The other method is to consider Moon and Lagna

> alone and

> > leave out the Sun. Try all and when in a doubt, prefer the Lagna or

> Moon to

> > the Sun sign i.e. if either the Sun or Lagna or Sun and Moon are of

> equal

> > strength, then choose the Lagna/Moon. That is my Upadesa (rather

> traditional

> > I can say).

>

> I remember what you said about Sun on telephone when you were in

> US. I know that your teaching is to stricyly ignore Sun when

> finding the Moola dasa starting point.

>

> But, in several charts, I could explain the known past much better

> with dasas starting from Sun than with lagna/Moon. Of course, it

> may be because of my incorrect understanding of the application of

> Moola dasa. However, I have the support of Kalyana Verma, son of

> Varahamihira, Satyacharya etc. Because of this support, I can

> confidently write what I believe in.

>

> Your sishya,

> Narasimha

 

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> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

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[Guest guest]

Pranaam Gurudeva,

 

> Varahamihira also held a similar traditional view. Satyacharya has

deviated

> in a number of points. Some of these are very useful as he has given

the

> practise among astrologers of his days. Kalyan Verma picks up this

thread.

> Actually the stanza quoted by kalyan Verma was with reference to

Ayur

> Dasa and not to Phalita Dasa. there is a clear line between these

types of

> Dasa's. Thus we really cannot say that he advocated for starting

from the

> Sun in Phalita Dasa like the Moola Dasa. He was talking about using

the

> stronger between the Sun, Moon and Lagna to calculate the longevity

using

> different mathematical models.

> What is the basis for your advocacy of Sun for starting Phalita

Dasa?

 

 

I have already given my basis. Apart from Satyacharya (whom you

seem to reject saying he deviated in a number of points), the

following authors gave the same:

 

(1) Varahamihira in " Brihajjaatakam " :

 

" udaya ravi sasaanka praani kendraadi sansthaah " .

 

It means " planets in quadrants etc from the livelier (stronger)

of lagna, Sun and Moon. The word " ravi " (Sun) is clearly used.

 

(2) Prithu Yasas (son of Varahamihira) in " Hora Sara " :

 

" hora dinesa sasinaam prabalo bhavedyas-

tatkantakaadishu gataa kathitaa dasesaah "

 

It means " whoever is the strongest of lagna, Sun and Moon, the

planets in quadrants etc from him are said to be dasa lords. "

 

The word " dinesa " (lord of the daytime - Sun) is clearly used.

 

(3) Kalyana Verma in " Saravali " :

 

" lagnaarka seeta rasmeenaam

yo balee tasya chaagratah

tatkendraadi sthitaanam cha "

 

Again planets in quadrants etc from the strongest of lagna, Sun

and Moon are referred. The word " arka " clearly means Sun.

 

Because 4 classics refer to this, following this view is, I

think, justified. Moreover, I could explain known past with

Sun-initiated Moola dasa better than lagna/Moon-initiated

Moola dasa.

 

None of the 4 references above says that this is only for ayur

dasas. In fact, Kalyana Verma proceeds to give some results

which make one think that he considers it a phalita dasa.

 

While I do know that Sun, Moon and lagna stand for soul, mind

and body, I do not find it binding on the definition of dasas.

Sun stands for many other things, including the vitality of a

nativity or achievements. I cannot presume that I understand

the rationale behind the definition of dasas well enough to

conclude that a phalita dasa cannot be based on Sun.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha