basic quesiton

June 16, 2005

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||Namaste ,

Your point is valid. Aura (non-physical) is one factor to be considered. In practice, we can agree that in case the jataka is unable to purchase a ratna, then we prescribe a upa-ratna (leaving aside swee jis' very sound explanation that, perhaps, "upa" is wrongly used) .

Now, a ratna and a upa-ratna, though generally have similar color thereby seemingly matching color-property effect, there "aura" will differ in principle as a result of completely different composition. Why then do we prescribe them knowing this?

Prescription of a CZ as a diamond substitute is quite common, worthless foundations???

Rene Descartes said and I love - " I think, therefore I am". The duality of mind and body is inherent. However, mind exists within the body, then their is the supreme spectator and record keeper- the soul. For this reason there is always the I & I and never just I representing a person.

This is just what I & I think, the learned may guide my understanding.

Namaste,Gaurav Jain

June 16, 2005

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||Namaste Swee ji,

I am not intending to suggest the use of heated/cooked/synthetic gemstones, merely attempting to understand with your help via discussions. You are all my shrutis' (period). Everything else is false.

The "energy" of the stone must, in my mind, be altered by heating it because it is the non-physical component, Otherwise the physical composition remains the same (except color).

We can experiment by holding and feeling a white topaz, and then feeling a London or Swiss blue topaz. The latter are much much more hot/warm to feel. Similarly a Ceylon natural blue feels very pacifying as oppose to a Thai giant. Please educate.

In my earlier mail I write to Bipin about the use of CZ , why do people prescribe those knowing that the diety will not grace the stone...

I completely agree as a matter on principle on knowingly giving cooked stones of jyotish reasons. Being a Jain, we are a Bhava pradhan religious beings, so bad intended is bad done, evil thought is evil occurred.

Charan Sparsh,Gaurav Jain

June 16, 2005

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||Namaste Bipin,

If I may, a quick tip for computers' use. Try putting a clear crystal next to it and wash it everyday. You will surely notice a change.

I have been doing this for past few days and it takes all the tiredness which results from prolonged computer use away and makes me feel fresh and agile.

Guess who told me this

Namaste,Gaurav Jain

June 16, 2005

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Gaurav, Namaste

You have posed a very interesting question. My simple answer to your

dilemma is that one cannot use a set of rules applicable in one

paradigm to that of another paradigm.

Now gems have both physical and spiritual properties. This is somehow

difficult for me to explain, but I will try and use an anology that

best describes this. We know that the body has an Aura (non-physical)

, but for those that can see Auras will tell you, that if you smoke

your Aura actually shrinks. So, in a similar way, by heating the

gemstone, although the chemical properties may remain the same (and we

know that even some physical properties change like colour), im sure

the non-physical healing properties will be impacted on. Also, I know

of a few people who can feel energy or vibtrations from gems have

attested to the fact that the energy is definately different from a

gem that has been tampered with away from its natural state.

So with the fundamental lesson that the Bhagavad Gita teaches us, that

we are not this body, but spirit soul. Following on from this, I have

read in the Bhagavad Purana ( not sure which text ref now), that even

some inanimate objects have an energy. My conclusion is that

gemstones have both physical and non-physical properties too. Im sure

kirlion(spelling??)photography could be used to compare the 'energy'

levels of both heated and unheated gem stones.

Anyway, I could be entirely wrong on this one, but this is my

understanding - im sure Swee could enlighten us further.

Regards

Bipin

, yobrevol@a... wrote:

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Namaste Learned,

>

> As I sit here and ponder so as to what Really happens when the

potential

> energy transforms into a kinetic form, or rather, How does it

really do

> that...another question pops my mind and I cannot convince myself

with an answer (

> most likely another product of my confused and wasted mind).

>

> Why are heated, treated, synthetic colorstones/diamonds unfit for

jyotish

> purposes ?

>

> Nature " created " natural gems seemingly when it was the " right time "

to do

> so. Perhaps, if we sit and chant before heating a YS on an auspicious

> muhurata, will the resulting stone be unfit to yield results?

>

> Who better than the members of this list to guide my understanding

of this

> knowledge.

>

> Namaste,

>

> Gaurav Jain

June 16, 2005

Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear Gaurav,

Namaste

Ponder no

longer; heat treatment does not alter the energy of a gemstone. But instead,

has a resounding ill effect on the wearer and the person who conducts it and

the person who induced the person to conduct this. I have seen beautiful

gemstones, difficult to identify as being natural until you magnify it about 80

timesâ€¦â€¦you can see the â€œripplesâ€ of the gemstones. Nature has it that it takes

one year to grow one carat of perfect crystal. You will know the natural â€œcoolingâ€

process in the gemstone was far too quick with the opaque crystal. This maybe

several factors which is due to the tectonic movement in the earthâ€™s crust.

I have give you some relevant texts below that may answer your

thoughts.

GaruÃ²a PurÄÃ«a Ch72.11-13

yÄvantaá¹ ca kramedagniá¹ padmarÄgopayogataá¸¥|

indranÄ«lamaá¹‡istasmÄtkrameta sumahattaram||72|11

Â It takes

longer and higher temperatures to heat treat the Blue Sapphire

tathÄpi na parÄ«ká¹£Ärthaá¹ guá¹‡ÄnÄmati vá¹›ddhaye|

maá¹‡iragnau samÄdheyaá¸¥ kathaÃ±cidapi kaÅ›cana||72|12

But under no circumstances should ANY gem be

subjected to heat treatment to seek more brilliancy. (which is a fact; heat

treated gemstones have that extra â€œfireâ€ like Indiaâ€™s vajra in the center of the table)

à¤¦à¥‚à¤ªà¤¿à¤¤à¤ƒà¥¤

agnimÄtrÄparijÃ±Äne dÄhadoá¹£aiÅ›ca dÅ«pitaá¸¥|

so narthÄya bhavedbhartuá¸¥

kartuá¸¥ kÄrayitustathÄ||72|13

The heat treament may cause

new defects which may enter the gemstone, which brings ill luck to the owner, the

man who conducts the heat treatment and the man who induced him to conduct it.

You may extend this by saying

that if one knowingly sells this gemstone that has been heat treated, even he

will incur sins as well the owner (purchaser) besides the person who conducts

it. â€“ No thank you. I would never consider it and bear that karmic debt on

myself.

According to what I was

taught, an internally cracked gemstone invites thieves and misfortune.

You may try and put a

superfine gemmy material versus a superfine heat treated material in an auric

chamber and youâ€™ll notice the heat treated materialâ€™s aura readings is almost

non existent. So you may chant all you want, but that particular Deity will

certainly not grace its presence with the heat treated number K.

Love,

Swee

On Behalf Of yobrevol

Thursday, June 16, 2005 9:00

PM

[Jaya Jagannatha] basic

quesiton

|| Hare Rama Krishna

||

Namaste Learned,

As I sit

here and ponder so as to what Really happens when the potential energy

transforms into a kinetic form, or rather, How does it really do that...another

question pops my mind and I cannot convince myself with an answer ( most likely

another product of my confused and wasted mind).

Why are

heated, treated, synthetic colorstones/diamonds unfit for jyotish purposes ?

Nature " created " natural gems

seemingly when it was the " right time " to do so. Perhaps, if we sit

and chant before heating a YS on an auspicious muhurata, will the

resulting stone be unfit to yield results?

Who better than the members of this list

to guide my understanding of this knowledge.

Namaste,

Gaurav Jain

June 16, 2005

Jaya Jaganantha

Dear Swee

Hare Krishna

Thanks for making that â€˜crystalâ€™ clear. Â Now

following on from this discussion the same should hold for microwaving food or

is it?.Â With modern technology and everyone wanting to save time and do things

fast, are we eating â€˜deadâ€™ food by microwaving food to heat it.Â What is your

take on this.Â Does microwaving food attract more Pitta to the body and if so, should

the intake of Pitta pacifying food be increased in our diet.Â Suffice to say, a

simple solution is to minimize microwaving.

Our microwave packed up a few months ago

and believe me it did take a bit of an adjustment for at least a month to get

used to heating the old way.Â We have become so used to microwaves and the

latest gadgets like cellular phones, wireless networks and satellite tv all affecting

us indirectly.Â Do you know of any apparatus or gadget that counters radiation

in the home.Â I was reading that radiation from a TV and computer screen has

the highest radiation in a typical home environment â€“ now I have to get my LCD

computer screen

Regards

Bipin

On Behalf Of Swee Chan

Thursday, June 16, 2005

10:24 PM

RE: [Jaya Jagannatha]

basic quesiton

Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear Gaurav,

Namaste

Ponder no

longer; heat treatment does not alter the energy of a gemstone. But instead,

has a resounding ill effect on the wearer and the person who conducts it and the

person who induced the person to conduct this. I have seen beautiful gemstones,

difficult to identify as being natural until you magnify it about 80 timesâ€¦â€¦you

can see the â€œripplesâ€ of the gemstones. Nature has it that it takes one year to

grow one carat of perfect crystal. You will know the natural â€œcoolingâ€ process

in the gemstone was far too quick with the opaque crystal. This maybe several

factors which is due to the tectonic movement in the earthâ€™s crust.

I have give

you some relevant texts below that may answer your thoughts.

GaruÃ²a PurÄÃ«a Ch72.11-13

yÄvantaá¹ ca kramedagniá¹ padmarÄgopayogataá¸¥|

indranÄ«lamaá¹‡istasmÄtkrameta sumahattaram||72|11

Â It takes longer and higher temperatures to heat treat the Blue

Sapphire

tathÄpi na parÄ«ká¹£Ärthaá¹ guá¹‡ÄnÄmati vá¹›ddhaye|

maá¹‡iragnau samÄdheyaá¸¥ kathaÃ±cidapi kaÅ›cana||72|12

But under no circumstances should ANY gem be subjected to heat

treatment to seek more brilliancy. (which is a fact; heat treated gemstones

have that extra â€œfireâ€ like Indiaâ€™s

vajra in the center of the table)

agnimÄtrÄparijÃ±Äne dÄhadoá¹£aiÅ›ca dÅ«pitaá¸¥|

so narthÄya

bhavedbhartuá¸¥ kartuá¸¥ kÄrayitustathÄ||72|13

The heat

treament may cause new defects which may enter the gemstone, which brings ill

luck to the owner, the man who conducts the heat treatment and the man who

induced him to conduct it.

You may

extend this by saying that if one knowingly sells this gemstone that has been

heat treated, even he will incur sins as well the owner (purchaser) besides the

person who conducts it. â€“ No thank you. I would never consider it and bear that

karmic debt on myself.

According

to what I was taught, an internally cracked gemstone invites thieves and

misfortune.

You may try

and put a superfine gemmy material versus a superfine heat treated material in

an auric chamber and youâ€™ll notice the heat treated materialâ€™s aura readings is

almost non existent. So you may chant all you want, but that particular Deity

will certainly not grace its presence with the heat treated number K.

Love,

Swee

On Behalf Of yobrevol

Thursday, June 16, 2005 9:00

PM

[Jaya Jagannatha] basic

quesiton

|| Hare Rama Krishna

||

Namaste Learned,

As I sit

here and ponder so as to what Really happens when the potential energy

transforms into a kinetic form, or rather, How does it really do that...another

question pops my mind and I cannot convince myself with an answer ( most likely

another product of my confused and wasted mind).

Why are

heated, treated, synthetic colorstones/diamonds unfit for jyotish purposes ?

Nature " created " natural gems

seemingly when it was the " right time " to do so. Perhaps, if we sit

and chant before heating a YS on an auspicious muhurata, will the

resulting stone be unfit to yield results?

Who better than the members of this list

to guide my understanding of this knowledge.

Namaste,

Gaurav Jain

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June 17, 2005

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Gaurav, Namaste

<<Gaurav Wrote>>

Rene Descartes said and I love - " I think, therefore I am " . The

duality of mind and body is inherent. However, mind exists within

the body, then their is the supreme spectator and record keeper- the

soul. For this reason there is always the I & I and never just I

presenting a person.

Yes, the 'I and the I' holds for humans and animals, but what about

non-physical entities that are also a person who just have a soul

and no body, so the duality of the Mind and the body cant be

inherent, except for physical entities.

Regards

Bipin

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