Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Om Brihaspataye Namah Dear members, Namaste There are many websites on the internet that advertise and sell Yantras to remove certain negative effects in a person's life. Can I person worship a yantra for a general purpose? For example, some people in their homes have an altar with pictures of a God and Goddess etc. Can these pictures be substituted with a Yantra and worshipped? Can a Yantra be incorporated into daily worship, but without the expectation of a specific result? For me, I find Yantras very attractive because of the geometric design and sanskrit writing. Any thoughts? Hare Krishna Bivash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Om Namah Shivaya Dear Bivash, Namaste Other than the idol worship we can worship a Devata by Yantra, Tantra and Mantra also. Yantra normally with some number, diagram and some letters written on it. Normally Bhurja Patra is used and the pen is the branch of Pomegranate tree and the ink is Ashtaganta (a mixture of 8). These days one can find more of Tamasic yantras compared to the Satvic ones. This apparently due to the age of Kali where people wants to attain only good with short cuts. All these short cuts will for sure give short time benefits but at the end will get huges losses as well. Its a very difficult job to write a Yantra and requires detailed and long time of practise as any flaws can leads to big losses. Yantra selection is done based on ones Natal Horoscope depending on the planets position. If you can get someone to have a perfect flawless yantra done, you may worship it but it requires good and regular practise and pooja for the Devata of the Yantra to manifest. Tantra is what Lord Shiva taught to Sakthi directly. There are lots of texts on Tantras and you can get hold of one if you want to read on it but don't come back saying like what you said about Maha Vidyas with the information you got from the internet. Most of the temples in Kerala (South India) are built in Tantric ways and the Pooja of those temples are also done in this way by Preist and the knowledge is passed on from generations to generations. These secrets you might not even find in any of the so called Tantra texts available in this world. If you want to know more go to Thazaiman Madham in Kerala. Even the famous Kamakya temple at Assam is built in the Tantric way. Mantra is the best way in this busy Kali yuga to worship a god / goddess or any deva for that case. I dont have to say more on this Iam sure you will be having depth knowledge. If you want to learn more check out VRA. Hope this helps. Rgds Anand On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Bivash Ramroop <bivaash108 wrote: Om Brihaspataye NamahDear members,NamasteThere are many websites on the internet that advertise and sell Yantras to remove certain negative effects in a person's life. Can I person worship a yantra for a general purpose? For example, some people in their homes have an altar with pictures of a God and Goddess etc. Can these pictures be substituted with a Yantra and worshipped? Can a Yantra be incorporated into daily worship, but without the expectation of a specific result? For me, I find Yantras very attractive because of the geometric design and sanskrit writing. Any thoughts? Hare KrishnaBivash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Jaya JagannathaDear Bivash,NamasteAccording to the teachings from my Guru, a yantra is NEVER worshipped by the lay person. Instead, it is a kavacha that one requires. If a kavacha and yagna are both done including the feeding (Brahmana bhojan) and gifts of charity to them as ONE rite, the yantra for adoration goes to one chosen by the chief priest.As for the pictures, I am taught that one cannot give prana pratishtha to a piece of paper, except for a stone/gemstone or the different metals, gold being the best. Hence, worship to a yantra printed on a piece of printing paper does not do anything. An image that is printed can bode well for many people as it is human nature that the mind requires something to concentrate on and in this case, a picture which most can relate to. Thus, a picture works better than a yantra on which for the uninitiated, does not mean a thing unless explained, for each box and number being written will have (siddhi) mantra chanted whilst being drawn with a special pen elected for that purpose and "ink" with the eight fragrant items.The mantra written and encased in a metal (silver copper, gold etc) gutika was seen on many of the sages beside Krishna etc at birth and that they had carried it from life after life.To conclude, offer your mantra seated on your asana. If you require something to focus on, let it be the light from the ghee lamp. If it is something to focus your mind on, begin chanting loudly to fill the room until you are able to still your mind do you progress to mental chanting which is considered to be the best.love,SweeOn 16 Apr 2008, at 13:03, Bivash Ramroop wrote:Om Brihaspataye NamahDear members,NamasteThere are many websites on the internet that advertise and sell Yantras to remove certain negative effects in a person's life. Can I person worship a yantra for a general purpose? For example, some people in their homes have an altar with pictures of a God and Goddess etc. Can these pictures be substituted with a Yantra and worshipped? Can a Yantra be incorporated into daily worship, but without the expectation of a specific result? For me, I find Yantras very attractive because of the geometric design and sanskrit writing. Any thoughts? Hare KrishnaBivash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Om Namo Parma Gurave Dear Swee Hare Krishna This is very profund information you are sharing. So many people are conned into buying yantras. Ive seen in my Vastu research how all sorts of things are sold in the name of remedies for yantras and its sad when these so called consultants pry on peoples insecurities. Nowadays, we get full digital colour yantras, copper plated diecast metals, etc, but they have no efficacy like you said. Yantra is derived from the root word " yam " meaning " to sustain, hold or hold up " . Yantra as a noun is explained... " any instrument for holding or restraining ..... then further described as.... an amulet, mystical diagram supposed to possess occult power. " No mention of digital colour copies that are sold today :-) To clarify what you said. My understanding is that the chief priest merely just doesnt give the yantra to someone for the sake of it or as a gift. That person continues with the offerings and mantras daily on behalf of the person for who it was meant. I think this is the same understanding when one has to offer a deity to a temple as a remedy for a chart affliction. To expand the discussion further. Its better to place a picture of a deity than a deity itself. Having a deity requires the necessary offerings, bhojans and poojas. This is often very difficult to maintian for the average working family as one doesnt want to commit any offences. What to speak of offences committed by the congregations at many Temples around the world where the deities are 'locked up' during the week and only open on a Sunday for satsang. Best Wishes Bipin On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:27:15 +0200, Swee Chan <swee wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Bivash, > Namaste > > According to the teachings from my Guru, a yantra is NEVER worshipped > by the lay person. Instead, it is a kavacha that one requires. If a > kavacha and yagna are both done including the feeding (Brahmana > bhojan) and gifts of charity to them as ONE rite, the yantra for > adoration goes to one chosen by the chief priest. > > As for the pictures, I am taught that one cannot give prana > pratishtha to a piece of paper, except for a stone/gemstone or the > different metals, gold being the best. Hence, worship to a yantra > printed on a piece of printing paper does not do anything. An image > that is printed can bode well for many people as it is human nature > that the mind requires something to concentrate on and in this case, > a picture which most can relate to. Thus, a picture works better than > a yantra on which for the uninitiated, does not mean a thing unless > explained, for each box and number being written will have (siddhi) > mantra chanted whilst being drawn with a special pen elected for that > purpose and " ink " with the eight fragrant items. > > The mantra written and encased in a metal (silver copper, gold etc) > gutika was seen on many of the sages beside Krishna etc at birth and > that they had carried it from life after life. > > To conclude, offer your mantra seated on your asana. If you require > something to focus on, let it be the light from the ghee lamp. If it > is something to focus your mind on, begin chanting loudly to fill the > room until you are able to still your mind do you progress to mental > chanting which is considered to be the best. > > love, > > Swee > > > On 16 Apr 2008, at 13:03, Bivash Ramroop wrote: > >> Om Brihaspataye Namah >> >> Dear members, >> Namaste >> >> There are many websites on the internet that advertise and sell >> Yantras to remove certain negative effects in a person's life. >> >> Can I person worship a yantra for a general purpose? For example, >> some people in their homes have an altar with pictures of a God and >> Goddess etc. Can these pictures be substituted with a Yantra and >> worshipped? >> >> Can a Yantra be incorporated into daily worship, but without the >> expectation of a specific result? >> >> For me, I find Yantras very attractive because of the geometric >> design and sanskrit writing. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Hare Krishna >> Bivash >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Bipin, Hare Krishna Well understood, except that i must correct your statement made on the die-cast copper which is fine. Prana pratishtha can be given to metals as I've said. Try giving a yantra to a Temple and see if they will accept it without prior arrangement. To worship a yantra, one has to have the qualifications, maintain purity and be devoted to its daily worship. love, Swee On 16 Apr 2008, at 18:01, Bipin Prag wrote: > Om Namo Parma Gurave > > Dear Swee > Hare Krishna > > This is very profund information you are sharing. So many people are > conned into buying yantras. Ive seen in my Vastu research how all > sorts > of things are sold in the name of remedies for yantras and its sad > when > these so called consultants pry on peoples insecurities. Nowadays, > we get > full digital colour yantras, copper plated diecast metals, etc, but > they > have no efficacy like you said. > > Yantra is derived from the root word " yam " meaning " to sustain, > hold or > hold up " . Yantra as a noun is explained... " any instrument for > holding or > restraining ..... then further described as.... an amulet, mystical > diagram supposed to possess occult power. " No mention of digital > colour > copies that are sold today :-) > > To clarify what you said. My understanding is that the chief priest > merely just doesnt give the yantra to someone for the sake of it or > as a > gift. That person continues with the offerings and mantras daily on > behalf of the person for who it was meant. I think this is the same > understanding when one has to offer a deity to a temple as a remedy > for a > chart affliction. > > To expand the discussion further. Its better to place a picture of > a deity > than a deity itself. Having a deity requires the necessary offerings, > bhojans and poojas. This is often very difficult to maintian for the > average working family as one doesnt want to commit any offences. > What to > speak of offences committed by the congregations at many Temples > around > the world where the deities are 'locked up' during the week and > only open > on a Sunday for satsang. > > Best Wishes > > Bipin On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:27:15 +0200, Swee Chan <swee > wrote: > >> >> Jaya Jagannatha >> >> Dear Bivash, >> Namaste >> >> According to the teachings from my Guru, a yantra is NEVER worshipped >> by the lay person. Instead, it is a kavacha that one requires. If a >> kavacha and yagna are both done including the feeding (Brahmana >> bhojan) and gifts of charity to them as ONE rite, the yantra for >> adoration goes to one chosen by the chief priest. >> >> As for the pictures, I am taught that one cannot give prana >> pratishtha to a piece of paper, except for a stone/gemstone or the >> different metals, gold being the best. Hence, worship to a yantra >> printed on a piece of printing paper does not do anything. An image >> that is printed can bode well for many people as it is human nature >> that the mind requires something to concentrate on and in this case, >> a picture which most can relate to. Thus, a picture works better than >> a yantra on which for the uninitiated, does not mean a thing unless >> explained, for each box and number being written will have (siddhi) >> mantra chanted whilst being drawn with a special pen elected for that >> purpose and " ink " with the eight fragrant items. >> >> The mantra written and encased in a metal (silver copper, gold etc) >> gutika was seen on many of the sages beside Krishna etc at birth and >> that they had carried it from life after life. >> >> To conclude, offer your mantra seated on your asana. If you require >> something to focus on, let it be the light from the ghee lamp. If it >> is something to focus your mind on, begin chanting loudly to fill the >> room until you are able to still your mind do you progress to mental >> chanting which is considered to be the best. >> >> love, >> >> Swee >> >> >> On 16 Apr 2008, at 13:03, Bivash Ramroop wrote: >> >>> Om Brihaspataye Namah >>> >>> Dear members, >>> Namaste >>> >>> There are many websites on the internet that advertise and sell >>> Yantras to remove certain negative effects in a person's life. >>> >>> Can I person worship a yantra for a general purpose? For example, >>> some people in their homes have an altar with pictures of a God and >>> Goddess etc. Can these pictures be substituted with a Yantra and >>> worshipped? >>> >>> Can a Yantra be incorporated into daily worship, but without the >>> expectation of a specific result? >>> >>> For me, I find Yantras very attractive because of the geometric >>> design and sanskrit writing. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Hare Krishna >>> Bivash >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Om Namo Bhagavate ParamguraveDear SweeHare KrishnaWith die cast metal being made with recycled mixture of metals, would this still be considered as pure for deities to be made from it. Im not referring to die cast metals used for ornamental purposes. Could you please clarify, what are the best metals to be used for deities. I know some deities are made of the 5 (panch mahabhootas) not sure if i got the spelling right, but the mixture in die-cast is very porous reminding one of volcanic rock Best WishesBipinOn 16/04/2008, Swee Chan <swee wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Bipin, Hare Krishna Well understood, except that i must correct your statement made on the die-cast copper which is fine. Prana pratishtha can be given to metals as I've said. Try giving a yantra to a Temple and see if they will accept it without prior arrangement. To worship a yantra, one has to have the qualifications, maintain purity and be devoted to its daily worship. love, Swee On 16 Apr 2008, at 18:01, Bipin Prag wrote: > Om Namo Parma Gurave > > Dear Swee > Hare Krishna > > This is very profund information you are sharing. So many people are > conned into buying yantras. Ive seen in my Vastu research how all > sorts > of things are sold in the name of remedies for yantras and its sad > when > these so called consultants pry on peoples insecurities. Nowadays, > we get > full digital colour yantras, copper plated diecast metals, etc, but > they > have no efficacy like you said. > > Yantra is derived from the root word " yam " meaning " to sustain, > hold or > hold up " . Yantra as a noun is explained... " any instrument for > holding or > restraining ..... then further described as.... an amulet, mystical > diagram supposed to possess occult power. " No mention of digital > colour > copies that are sold today :-) > > To clarify what you said. My understanding is that the chief priest > merely just doesnt give the yantra to someone for the sake of it or > as a > gift. That person continues with the offerings and mantras daily on > behalf of the person for who it was meant. I think this is the same > understanding when one has to offer a deity to a temple as a remedy > for a > chart affliction. > > To expand the discussion further. Its better to place a picture of > a deity > than a deity itself. Having a deity requires the necessary offerings, > bhojans and poojas. This is often very difficult to maintian for the > average working family as one doesnt want to commit any offences. > What to > speak of offences committed by the congregations at many Temples > around > the world where the deities are 'locked up' during the week and > only open > on a Sunday for satsang. > > Best Wishes > > Bipin On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:27:15 +0200, Swee Chan <swee > wrote: > >> >> Jaya Jagannatha >> >> Dear Bivash, >> Namaste >> >> According to the teachings from my Guru, a yantra is NEVER worshipped >> by the lay person. Instead, it is a kavacha that one requires. If a >> kavacha and yagna are both done including the feeding (Brahmana >> bhojan) and gifts of charity to them as ONE rite, the yantra for >> adoration goes to one chosen by the chief priest. >> >> As for the pictures, I am taught that one cannot give prana >> pratishtha to a piece of paper, except for a stone/gemstone or the >> different metals, gold being the best. Hence, worship to a yantra >> printed on a piece of printing paper does not do anything. An image >> that is printed can bode well for many people as it is human nature >> that the mind requires something to concentrate on and in this case, >> a picture which most can relate to. Thus, a picture works better than >> a yantra on which for the uninitiated, does not mean a thing unless >> explained, for each box and number being written will have (siddhi) >> mantra chanted whilst being drawn with a special pen elected for that >> purpose and " ink " with the eight fragrant items. >> >> The mantra written and encased in a metal (silver copper, gold etc) >> gutika was seen on many of the sages beside Krishna etc at birth and >> that they had carried it from life after life. >> >> To conclude, offer your mantra seated on your asana. If you require >> something to focus on, let it be the light from the ghee lamp. If it >> is something to focus your mind on, begin chanting loudly to fill the >> room until you are able to still your mind do you progress to mental >> chanting which is considered to be the best. >> >> love, >> >> Swee >> >> >> On 16 Apr 2008, at 13:03, Bivash Ramroop wrote: >> >>> Om Brihaspataye Namah >>> >>> Dear members, >>> Namaste >>> >>> There are many websites on the internet that advertise and sell >>> Yantras to remove certain negative effects in a person's life. >>> >>> Can I person worship a yantra for a general purpose? For example, >>> some people in their homes have an altar with pictures of a God and >>> Goddess etc. Can these pictures be substituted with a Yantra and >>> worshipped? >>> >>> Can a Yantra be incorporated into daily worship, but without the >>> expectation of a specific result? >>> >>> For me, I find Yantras very attractive because of the geometric >>> design and sanskrit writing. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Hare Krishna >>> Bivash >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Om Namah Shivaya Dear Bipin, Namaste Its Pancha Loka or Pancha Dhatu. Rgds Anand On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Bipin Prag <bipinprag wrote: Om Namo Bhagavate ParamguraveDear SweeHare KrishnaWith die cast metal being made with recycled mixture of metals, would this still be considered as pure for deities to be made from it. Im not referring to die cast metals used for ornamental purposes. Could you please clarify, what are the best metals to be used for deities. I know some deities are made of the 5 (panch mahabhootas) not sure if i got the spelling right, but the mixture in die-cast is very porous reminding one of volcanic rock Best WishesBipin On 16/04/2008, Swee Chan <swee wrote: Jaya JagannathaDear Bipin,Hare KrishnaWell understood, except that i must correct your statement made on the die-cast copper which is fine. Prana pratishtha can be given to metals as I've said. Try giving a yantra to a Temple and see if they will accept it without prior arrangement. To worship a yantra, one has to have the qualifications, maintain purity and be devoted to its daily worship.love,Swee On 16 Apr 2008, at 18:01, Bipin Prag wrote:> Om Namo Parma Gurave>> Dear Swee> Hare Krishna>> This is very profund information you are sharing. So many people are > conned into buying yantras. Ive seen in my Vastu research how all > sorts> of things are sold in the name of remedies for yantras and its sad > when> these so called consultants pry on peoples insecurities. Nowadays, > we get> full digital colour yantras, copper plated diecast metals, etc, but > they> have no efficacy like you said.>> Yantra is derived from the root word " yam " meaning " to sustain, > hold or> hold up " . Yantra as a noun is explained... " any instrument for > holding or> restraining ..... then further described as.... an amulet, mystical> diagram supposed to possess occult power. " No mention of digital > colour> copies that are sold today :-)>> To clarify what you said. My understanding is that the chief priest> merely just doesnt give the yantra to someone for the sake of it or > as a > gift. That person continues with the offerings and mantras daily on> behalf of the person for who it was meant. I think this is the same> understanding when one has to offer a deity to a temple as a remedy > for a> chart affliction.>> To expand the discussion further. Its better to place a picture of > a deity> than a deity itself. Having a deity requires the necessary offerings,> bhojans and poojas. This is often very difficult to maintian for the > average working family as one doesnt want to commit any offences. > What to> speak of offences committed by the congregations at many Temples > around> the world where the deities are 'locked up' during the week and > only open> on a Sunday for satsang.>> Best Wishes>> Bipin>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:27:15 +0200, Swee Chan <swee > wrote:>>>>> Jaya Jagannatha>>>> Dear Bivash,>> Namaste>>>> According to the teachings from my Guru, a yantra is NEVER worshipped>> by the lay person. Instead, it is a kavacha that one requires. If a >> kavacha and yagna are both done including the feeding (Brahmana>> bhojan) and gifts of charity to them as ONE rite, the yantra for>> adoration goes to one chosen by the chief priest.>> >> As for the pictures, I am taught that one cannot give prana>> pratishtha to a piece of paper, except for a stone/gemstone or the>> different metals, gold being the best. Hence, worship to a yantra >> printed on a piece of printing paper does not do anything. An image>> that is printed can bode well for many people as it is human nature>> that the mind requires something to concentrate on and in this case, >> a picture which most can relate to. Thus, a picture works better than>> a yantra on which for the uninitiated, does not mean a thing unless>> explained, for each box and number being written will have (siddhi) >> mantra chanted whilst being drawn with a special pen elected for that>> purpose and " ink " with the eight fragrant items.>>>> The mantra written and encased in a metal (silver copper, gold etc) >> gutika was seen on many of the sages beside Krishna etc at birth and>> that they had carried it from life after life.>>>> To conclude, offer your mantra seated on your asana. If you require >> something to focus on, let it be the light from the ghee lamp. If it>> is something to focus your mind on, begin chanting loudly to fill the>> room until you are able to still your mind do you progress to mental >> chanting which is considered to be the best.>>>> love,>>>> Swee>>>>>> On 16 Apr 2008, at 13:03, Bivash Ramroop wrote:>>>>> Om Brihaspataye Namah >>>>>> Dear members,>>> Namaste>>>>>> There are many websites on the internet that advertise and sell>>> Yantras to remove certain negative effects in a person's life. >>>>>> Can I person worship a yantra for a general purpose? For example,>>> some people in their homes have an altar with pictures of a God and>>> Goddess etc. Can these pictures be substituted with a Yantra and >>> worshipped?>>>>>> Can a Yantra be incorporated into daily worship, but without the>>> expectation of a specific result?>>>>>> For me, I find Yantras very attractive because of the geometric >>> design and sanskrit writing.>>>>>> Any thoughts?>>>>>> Hare Krishna>>> Bivash>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> --->> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Om Namo Param GuraveDear AnandNamasteThanks, i just had a mindslip there RegardsBipinOn 17/04/2008, Anand Ravi <anandravi8 wrote: Om Namah Shivaya Dear Bipin, Namaste Its Pancha Loka or Pancha Dhatu. Rgds Anand On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Bipin Prag <bipinprag wrote: Om Namo Bhagavate ParamguraveDear SweeHare KrishnaWith die cast metal being made with recycled mixture of metals, would this still be considered as pure for deities to be made from it. Im not referring to die cast metals used for ornamental purposes. Could you please clarify, what are the best metals to be used for deities. I know some deities are made of the 5 (panch mahabhootas) not sure if i got the spelling right, but the mixture in die-cast is very porous reminding one of volcanic rock Best WishesBipin On 16/04/2008, Swee Chan <swee wrote: Jaya JagannathaDear Bipin,Hare KrishnaWell understood, except that i must correct your statement made on the die-cast copper which is fine. Prana pratishtha can be given to metals as I've said. Try giving a yantra to a Temple and see if they will accept it without prior arrangement. To worship a yantra, one has to have the qualifications, maintain purity and be devoted to its daily worship.love,Swee On 16 Apr 2008, at 18:01, Bipin Prag wrote:> Om Namo Parma Gurave>> Dear Swee> Hare Krishna>> This is very profund information you are sharing. So many people are > conned into buying yantras. Ive seen in my Vastu research how all > sorts> of things are sold in the name of remedies for yantras and its sad > when> these so called consultants pry on peoples insecurities. Nowadays, > we get> full digital colour yantras, copper plated diecast metals, etc, but > they> have no efficacy like you said.>> Yantra is derived from the root word " yam " meaning " to sustain, > hold or> hold up " . Yantra as a noun is explained... " any instrument for > holding or> restraining ..... then further described as.... an amulet, mystical> diagram supposed to possess occult power. " No mention of digital > colour> copies that are sold today :-)>> To clarify what you said. My understanding is that the chief priest> merely just doesnt give the yantra to someone for the sake of it or > as a > gift. That person continues with the offerings and mantras daily on> behalf of the person for who it was meant. I think this is the same> understanding when one has to offer a deity to a temple as a remedy > for a> chart affliction.>> To expand the discussion further. Its better to place a picture of > a deity> than a deity itself. Having a deity requires the necessary offerings,> bhojans and poojas. This is often very difficult to maintian for the > average working family as one doesnt want to commit any offences. > What to> speak of offences committed by the congregations at many Temples > around> the world where the deities are 'locked up' during the week and > only open> on a Sunday for satsang.>> Best Wishes>> Bipin>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:27:15 +0200, Swee Chan <swee > wrote:>>>>> Jaya Jagannatha>>>> Dear Bivash,>> Namaste>>>> According to the teachings from my Guru, a yantra is NEVER worshipped>> by the lay person. Instead, it is a kavacha that one requires. If a >> kavacha and yagna are both done including the feeding (Brahmana>> bhojan) and gifts of charity to them as ONE rite, the yantra for>> adoration goes to one chosen by the chief priest.>> >> As for the pictures, I am taught that one cannot give prana>> pratishtha to a piece of paper, except for a stone/gemstone or the>> different metals, gold being the best. Hence, worship to a yantra >> printed on a piece of printing paper does not do anything. An image>> that is printed can bode well for many people as it is human nature>> that the mind requires something to concentrate on and in this case, >> a picture which most can relate to. Thus, a picture works better than>> a yantra on which for the uninitiated, does not mean a thing unless>> explained, for each box and number being written will have (siddhi) >> mantra chanted whilst being drawn with a special pen elected for that>> purpose and " ink " with the eight fragrant items.>>>> The mantra written and encased in a metal (silver copper, gold etc) >> gutika was seen on many of the sages beside Krishna etc at birth and>> that they had carried it from life after life.>>>> To conclude, offer your mantra seated on your asana. If you require >> something to focus on, let it be the light from the ghee lamp. If it>> is something to focus your mind on, begin chanting loudly to fill the>> room until you are able to still your mind do you progress to mental >> chanting which is considered to be the best.>>>> love,>>>> Swee>>>>>> On 16 Apr 2008, at 13:03, Bivash Ramroop wrote:>>>>> Om Brihaspataye Namah >>>>>> Dear members,>>> Namaste>>>>>> There are many websites on the internet that advertise and sell>>> Yantras to remove certain negative effects in a person's life. >>>>>> Can I person worship a yantra for a general purpose? For example,>>> some people in their homes have an altar with pictures of a God and>>> Goddess etc. Can these pictures be substituted with a Yantra and >>> worshipped?>>>>>> Can a Yantra be incorporated into daily worship, but without the>>> expectation of a specific result?>>>>>> For me, I find Yantras very attractive because of the geometric >>> design and sanskrit writing.>>>>>> Any thoughts?>>>>>> Hare Krishna>>> Bivash>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> --->> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Jaya JagannathaDear Bipin,Hare KrishnaOne must not mix up recycled metal to a mixed lot of recycled metals. A die cast simpl means that the cast was prefashioned and the desired metal runs through the roller, getting an imprint.Panch Dhatu is not mentioned frequently (perhaps once), but metals of Gold (or silver) especially or that of gemstones carved out to be made into the image of the recommended deity has been specified many times, but more instances are given of the five gems to be put into the water pot as an offering has been mentioned.love,SweeOn 17 Apr 2008, at 13:22, Bipin Prag wrote:Om Namo Bhagavate ParamguraveDear SweeHare KrishnaWith die cast metal being made with recycled mixture of metals, would this still be considered as pure for deities to be made from it. Im not referring to die cast metals used for ornamental purposes.Could you please clarify, what are the best metals to be used for deities. I know some deities are made of the 5 (panch mahabhootas) not sure if i got the spelling right, but the mixture in die-cast is very porous reminding one of volcanic rockBest WishesBipinOn 16/04/2008, Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote:Jaya JagannathaDear Bipin,Hare KrishnaWell understood, except that i must correct your statement made on the die-cast copper which is fine. Prana pratishtha can be given to metals as I've said. Try giving a yantra to a Temple and see if they will accept it without prior arrangement. To worship a yantra, one has to have the qualifications, maintain purity and be devoted to its daily worship.love,SweeOn 16 Apr 2008, at 18:01, Bipin Prag wrote:> Om Namo Parma Gurave>> Dear Swee> Hare Krishna>> This is very profund information you are sharing. So many people are> conned into buying yantras. Ive seen in my Vastu research how all > sorts> of things are sold in the name of remedies for yantras and its sad > when> these so called consultants pry on peoples insecurities. Nowadays, > we get> full digital colour yantras, copper plated diecast metals, etc, but > they> have no efficacy like you said.>> Yantra is derived from the root word "yam" meaning "to sustain, > hold or> hold up". Yantra as a noun is explained... "any instrument for > holding or> restraining ..... then further described as.... an amulet, mystical> diagram supposed to possess occult power." No mention of digital > colour> copies that are sold today :-)>> To clarify what you said. My understanding is that the chief priest> merely just doesnt give the yantra to someone for the sake of it or > as a> gift. That person continues with the offerings and mantras daily on> behalf of the person for who it was meant. I think this is the same> understanding when one has to offer a deity to a temple as a remedy > for a> chart affliction.>> To expand the discussion further. Its better to place a picture of > a deity> than a deity itself. Having a deity requires the necessary offerings,> bhojans and poojas. This is often very difficult to maintian for the> average working family as one doesnt want to commit any offences. > What to> speak of offences committed by the congregations at many Temples > around> the world where the deities are 'locked up' during the week and > only open> on a Sunday for satsang.>> Best Wishes>> Bipin>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:27:15 +0200, Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> > wrote:>>>>> Jaya Jagannatha>>>> Dear Bivash,>> Namaste>>>> According to the teachings from my Guru, a yantra is NEVER worshipped>> by the lay person. Instead, it is a kavacha that one requires. If a>> kavacha and yagna are both done including the feeding (Brahmana>> bhojan) and gifts of charity to them as ONE rite, the yantra for>> adoration goes to one chosen by the chief priest.>>>> As for the pictures, I am taught that one cannot give prana>> pratishtha to a piece of paper, except for a stone/gemstone or the>> different metals, gold being the best. Hence, worship to a yantra>> printed on a piece of printing paper does not do anything. An image>> that is printed can bode well for many people as it is human nature>> that the mind requires something to concentrate on and in this case,>> a picture which most can relate to. Thus, a picture works better than>> a yantra on which for the uninitiated, does not mean a thing unless>> explained, for each box and number being written will have (siddhi)>> mantra chanted whilst being drawn with a special pen elected for that>> purpose and "ink" with the eight fragrant items.>>>> The mantra written and encased in a metal (silver copper, gold etc)>> gutika was seen on many of the sages beside Krishna etc at birth and>> that they had carried it from life after life.>>>> To conclude, offer your mantra seated on your asana. If you require>> something to focus on, let it be the light from the ghee lamp. If it>> is something to focus your mind on, begin chanting loudly to fill the>> room until you are able to still your mind do you progress to mental>> chanting which is considered to be the best.>>>> love,>>>> Swee>>>>>> On 16 Apr 2008, at 13:03, Bivash Ramroop wrote:>>>>> Om Brihaspataye Namah>>>>>> Dear members,>>> Namaste>>>>>> There are many websites on the internet that advertise and sell>>> Yantras to remove certain negative effects in a person's life.>>>>>> Can I person worship a yantra for a general purpose? For example,>>> some people in their homes have an altar with pictures of a God and>>> Goddess etc. Can these pictures be substituted with a Yantra and>>> worshipped?>>>>>> Can a Yantra be incorporated into daily worship, but without the>>> expectation of a specific result?>>>>>> For me, I find Yantras very attractive because of the geometric>>> design and sanskrit writing.>>>>>> Any thoughts?>>>>>> Hare Krishna>>> Bivash>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --->> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 Om Brihaspataye Namah Dear Guruvi and members, Namaste Thankyou all for the information. I really learnt alot from this small discussion! The main reason I posted this question is because I find Yantra's very attractive because of the geometric design. When I was in school, our mathematics teacher gave us the task of doing an assignment on any topics based on maths. I was the only one in my class that did an assignment on " Sacred Geometry " . I went to the library and read up on how temples and churches were constructed, all with mathematical proportions derived from ancient scriptures. Ever since then I am attracted to geometric design and whenever I look at pictures of Yantras they seem so perfectly proportioned- like Universal Geometry! To Anand: Yes i know exactly what you mean when people think Yantras are a short cut! My own family has been victim to being misled by a " Temple society " that gives out yantras to all their devotees. My aunt had one in her house, and things went from BAD to WORSE! The entire family is split up and my aunt is suffering from so many illnesses. My other aunt who was given one- her husband started suffering from financial problems and at one point they were at risk of losing everything. Thankfully, both my aunts took the yantras out and left the " temple society " . Regarding Tantra- I think I learned my lesson not to believe most of the rubbish on the internet- and on TV. Bipin, I dont know if you have heard of this " Tantra Centre " in Cape Town, which is an utter disgrace. I saw this lady on TV talking about her relationship with her boyfriend etc- and they called it Tantra. Nonsense! Now all South Africans who watched that show on TV will think Tantra is some bogus relationship/sexual thing!!! I guess most of the western world thinks that of Tantra. Anyway I am not much that, I prefer Bhakti Yoga to Krishna over anything else, especially learning about Krishna leela- my favourite subject! But I guess the true Tantra that Anandji is speaking about is sacred and very complex, hence I would guess that it is only logical that it is kept secret from ordinary people. Just like the secrets of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn: Their magickal secrets have not been revealed to anyone. Sri Sri Radha Madhava ki jai! , Swee Chan <swee wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Bipin, > Hare Krishna > > One must not mix up recycled metal to a mixed lot of recycled metals. > A die cast simpl means that the cast was prefashioned and the desired > metal runs through the roller, getting an imprint. > > Panch Dhatu is not mentioned frequently (perhaps once), but metals of > Gold (or silver) especially or that of gemstones carved out to be > made into the image of the recommended deity has been specified many > times, but more instances are given of the five gems to be put into > the water pot as an offering has been mentioned. > > love, > > Swee > > On 17 Apr 2008, at 13:22, Bipin Prag wrote: > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave > > > > Dear Swee > > Hare Krishna > > > > With die cast metal being made with recycled mixture of metals, > > would this still be considered as pure for deities to be made from > > it. Im not referring to die cast metals used for ornamental > > purposes. > > > > Could you please clarify, what are the best metals to be used for > > deities. I know some deities are made of the 5 (panch > > mahabhootas) not sure if i got the spelling right, but the mixture > > in die-cast is very porous reminding one of volcanic rock > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Bipin > > > > > > > > > > On 16/04/2008, Swee Chan <swee wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Bipin, > > Hare Krishna > > > > Well understood, except that i must correct your statement made on > > the die-cast copper which is fine. Prana pratishtha can be given to > > metals as I've said. Try giving a yantra to a Temple and see if they > > will accept it without prior arrangement. To worship a yantra, one > > has to have the qualifications, maintain purity and be devoted to its > > daily worship. > > > > love, > > > > Swee > > > > > > > > On 16 Apr 2008, at 18:01, Bipin Prag wrote: > > > > > Om Namo Parma Gurave > > > > > > Dear Swee > > > Hare Krishna > > > > > > This is very profund information you are sharing. So many people are > > > conned into buying yantras. Ive seen in my Vastu research how all > > > sorts > > > of things are sold in the name of remedies for yantras and its sad > > > when > > > these so called consultants pry on peoples insecurities. Nowadays, > > > we get > > > full digital colour yantras, copper plated diecast metals, etc, but > > > they > > > have no efficacy like you said. > > > > > > Yantra is derived from the root word " yam " meaning " to sustain, > > > hold or > > > hold up " . Yantra as a noun is explained... " any instrument for > > > holding or > > > restraining ..... then further described as.... an amulet, mystical > > > diagram supposed to possess occult power. " No mention of digital > > > colour > > > copies that are sold today :-) > > > > > > To clarify what you said. My understanding is that the chief priest > > > merely just doesnt give the yantra to someone for the sake of it or > > > as a > > > gift. That person continues with the offerings and mantras daily on > > > behalf of the person for who it was meant. I think this is the same > > > understanding when one has to offer a deity to a temple as a remedy > > > for a > > > chart affliction. > > > > > > To expand the discussion further. Its better to place a picture of > > > a deity > > > than a deity itself. Having a deity requires the necessary > > offerings, > > > bhojans and poojas. This is often very difficult to maintian for the > > > average working family as one doesnt want to commit any offences. > > > What to > > > speak of offences committed by the congregations at many Temples > > > around > > > the world where the deities are 'locked up' during the week and > > > only open > > > on a Sunday for satsang. > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > Bipin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:27:15 +0200, Swee Chan <swee > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> Jaya Jagannatha > > >> > > >> Dear Bivash, > > >> Namaste > > >> > > >> According to the teachings from my Guru, a yantra is NEVER > > worshipped > > >> by the lay person. Instead, it is a kavacha that one requires. If a > > >> kavacha and yagna are both done including the feeding (Brahmana > > >> bhojan) and gifts of charity to them as ONE rite, the yantra for > > >> adoration goes to one chosen by the chief priest. > > >> > > >> As for the pictures, I am taught that one cannot give prana > > >> pratishtha to a piece of paper, except for a stone/gemstone or the > > >> different metals, gold being the best. Hence, worship to a yantra > > >> printed on a piece of printing paper does not do anything. An image > > >> that is printed can bode well for many people as it is human nature > > >> that the mind requires something to concentrate on and in this > > case, > > >> a picture which most can relate to. Thus, a picture works better > > than > > >> a yantra on which for the uninitiated, does not mean a thing unless > > >> explained, for each box and number being written will have (siddhi) > > >> mantra chanted whilst being drawn with a special pen elected for > > that > > >> purpose and " ink " with the eight fragrant items. > > >> > > >> The mantra written and encased in a metal (silver copper, gold etc) > > >> gutika was seen on many of the sages beside Krishna etc at birth > > and > > >> that they had carried it from life after life. > > >> > > >> To conclude, offer your mantra seated on your asana. If you require > > >> something to focus on, let it be the light from the ghee lamp. > > If it > > >> is something to focus your mind on, begin chanting loudly to > > fill the > > >> room until you are able to still your mind do you progress to > > mental > > >> chanting which is considered to be the best. > > >> > > >> love, > > >> > > >> Swee > > >> > > >> > > >> On 16 Apr 2008, at 13:03, Bivash Ramroop wrote: > > >> > > >>> Om Brihaspataye Namah > > >>> > > >>> Dear members, > > >>> Namaste > > >>> > > >>> There are many websites on the internet that advertise and sell > > >>> Yantras to remove certain negative effects in a person's life. > > >>> > > >>> Can I person worship a yantra for a general purpose? For example, > > >>> some people in their homes have an altar with pictures of a God > > and > > >>> Goddess etc. Can these pictures be substituted with a Yantra and > > >>> worshipped? > > >>> > > >>> Can a Yantra be incorporated into daily worship, but without the > > >>> expectation of a specific result? > > >>> > > >>> For me, I find Yantras very attractive because of the geometric > > >>> design and sanskrit writing. > > >>> > > >>> Any thoughts? > > >>> > > >>> Hare Krishna > > >>> Bivash > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 Jaya JagannathaDear Anand,NamasteThis is a problem with translations - the elements can mean so many things in English. The panch bhoota that Bipin said is to mean "unseen" elements, while dhatu is more mineral content and can be seen.Things that go bump in the night or the negative element that emanates from a lonely tree is to be known as such.The Supreme energy comes more than five (panch) forms and from the elements (tattvas) were the purusha manifest.love,SweeOn 17 Apr 2008, at 14:08, Anand Ravi wrote:Om Namah Shivaya Dear Bipin, Namaste Its Pancha Loka or Pancha Dhatu. RgdsAnandOn Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Bipin Prag <bipinprag (AT) grouply (DOT) com> wrote:Om Namo Bhagavate ParamguraveDear SweeHare KrishnaWith die cast metal being made with recycled mixture of metals, would this still be considered as pure for deities to be made from it. Im not referring to die cast metals used for ornamental purposes.Could you please clarify, what are the best metals to be used for deities. I know some deities are made of the 5 (panch mahabhootas) not sure if i got the spelling right, but the mixture in die-cast is very porous reminding one of volcanic rockBest WishesBipinOn 16/04/2008, Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote:Jaya JagannathaDear Bipin,Hare KrishnaWell understood, except that i must correct your statement made on the die-cast copper which is fine. Prana pratishtha can be given to metals as I've said. Try giving a yantra to a Temple and see if they will accept it without prior arrangement. To worship a yantra, one has to have the qualifications, maintain purity and be devoted to its daily worship.love,SweeOn 16 Apr 2008, at 18:01, Bipin Prag wrote:> Om Namo Parma Gurave>> Dear Swee> Hare Krishna>> This is very profund information you are sharing. So many people are> conned into buying yantras. Ive seen in my Vastu research how all > sorts> of things are sold in the name of remedies for yantras and its sad > when> these so called consultants pry on peoples insecurities. Nowadays, > we get> full digital colour yantras, copper plated diecast metals, etc, but > they> have no efficacy like you said.>> Yantra is derived from the root word "yam" meaning "to sustain, > hold or> hold up". Yantra as a noun is explained... "any instrument for > holding or> restraining ..... then further described as.... an amulet, mystical> diagram supposed to possess occult power." No mention of digital > colour> copies that are sold today :-)>> To clarify what you said. My understanding is that the chief priest> merely just doesnt give the yantra to someone for the sake of it or > as a> gift. That person continues with the offerings and mantras daily on> behalf of the person for who it was meant. I think this is the same> understanding when one has to offer a deity to a temple as a remedy > for a> chart affliction.>> To expand the discussion further. Its better to place a picture of > a deity> than a deity itself. Having a deity requires the necessary offerings,> bhojans and poojas. This is often very difficult to maintian for the> average working family as one doesnt want to commit any offences. > What to> speak of offences committed by the congregations at many Temples > around> the world where the deities are 'locked up' during the week and > only open> on a Sunday for satsang.>> Best Wishes>> Bipin>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:27:15 +0200, Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> > wrote:>>>>> Jaya Jagannatha>>>> Dear Bivash,>> Namaste>>>> According to the teachings from my Guru, a yantra is NEVER worshipped>> by the lay person. Instead, it is a kavacha that one requires. If a>> kavacha and yagna are both done including the feeding (Brahmana>> bhojan) and gifts of charity to them as ONE rite, the yantra for>> adoration goes to one chosen by the chief priest.>>>> As for the pictures, I am taught that one cannot give prana>> pratishtha to a piece of paper, except for a stone/gemstone or the>> different metals, gold being the best. Hence, worship to a yantra>> printed on a piece of printing paper does not do anything. An image>> that is printed can bode well for many people as it is human nature>> that the mind requires something to concentrate on and in this case,>> a picture which most can relate to. Thus, a picture works better than>> a yantra on which for the uninitiated, does not mean a thing unless>> explained, for each box and number being written will have (siddhi)>> mantra chanted whilst being drawn with a special pen elected for that>> purpose and "ink" with the eight fragrant items.>>>> The mantra written and encased in a metal (silver copper, gold etc)>> gutika was seen on many of the sages beside Krishna etc at birth and>> that they had carried it from life after life.>>>> To conclude, offer your mantra seated on your asana. If you require>> something to focus on, let it be the light from the ghee lamp. If it>> is something to focus your mind on, begin chanting loudly to fill the>> room until you are able to still your mind do you progress to mental>> chanting which is considered to be the best.>>>> love,>>>> Swee>>>>>> On 16 Apr 2008, at 13:03, Bivash Ramroop wrote:>>>>> Om Brihaspataye Namah>>>>>> Dear members,>>> Namaste>>>>>> There are many websites on the internet that advertise and sell>>> Yantras to remove certain negative effects in a person's life.>>>>>> Can I person worship a yantra for a general purpose? For example,>>> some people in their homes have an altar with pictures of a God and>>> Goddess etc. Can these pictures be substituted with a Yantra and>>> worshipped?>>>>>> Can a Yantra be incorporated into daily worship, but without the>>> expectation of a specific result?>>>>>> For me, I find Yantras very attractive because of the geometric>>> design and sanskrit writing.>>>>>> Any thoughts?>>>>>> Hare Krishna>>> Bivash>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --->> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 Om Namah Shivaya Dear Swee Ji, Pranams Interesting, So we can also call pancha dhatu as pancha bhoota as well. Correct? as once the five metals are mixed we cant see the individual metals from the mixture. So it becomes unseen elements. Or here unseen element means those metals which are not yet discovered by the human brains. Rgds Anand On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Swee Chan <swee wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Anand, Namaste This is a problem with translations - the elements can mean so many things in English. The panch bhoota that Bipin said is to mean " unseen " elements, while dhatu is more mineral content and can be seen. Things that go bump in the night or the negative element that emanates from a lonely tree is to be known as such. The Supreme energy comes more than five (panch) forms and from the elements (tattvas) were the purusha manifest. love, Swee On 17 Apr 2008, at 14:08, Anand Ravi wrote: Om Namah Shivaya Dear Bipin, Namaste Its Pancha Loka or Pancha Dhatu. Rgds Anand On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Bipin Prag <bipinprag wrote: Om Namo Bhagavate ParamguraveDear SweeHare KrishnaWith die cast metal being made with recycled mixture of metals, would this still be considered as pure for deities to be made from it. Im not referring to die cast metals used for ornamental purposes. Could you please clarify, what are the best metals to be used for deities. I know some deities are made of the 5 (panch mahabhootas) not sure if i got the spelling right, but the mixture in die-cast is very porous reminding one of volcanic rock Best WishesBipin On 16/04/2008, Swee Chan <swee wrote: Jaya JagannathaDear Bipin,Hare KrishnaWell understood, except that i must correct your statement made on the die-cast copper which is fine. Prana pratishtha can be given to metals as I've said. Try giving a yantra to a Temple and see if they will accept it without prior arrangement. To worship a yantra, one has to have the qualifications, maintain purity and be devoted to its daily worship.love,Swee On 16 Apr 2008, at 18:01, Bipin Prag wrote:> Om Namo Parma Gurave>> Dear Swee> Hare Krishna>> This is very profund information you are sharing. So many people are > conned into buying yantras. Ive seen in my Vastu research how all > sorts> of things are sold in the name of remedies for yantras and its sad > when> these so called consultants pry on peoples insecurities. Nowadays, > we get> full digital colour yantras, copper plated diecast metals, etc, but > they> have no efficacy like you said.>> Yantra is derived from the root word " yam " meaning " to sustain, > hold or> hold up " . Yantra as a noun is explained... " any instrument for > holding or> restraining ..... then further described as.... an amulet, mystical> diagram supposed to possess occult power. " No mention of digital > colour> copies that are sold today :-)>> To clarify what you said. My understanding is that the chief priest> merely just doesnt give the yantra to someone for the sake of it or > as a> gift. That person continues with the offerings and mantras daily on> behalf of the person for who it was meant. I think this is the same> understanding when one has to offer a deity to a temple as a remedy > for a> chart affliction.>> To expand the discussion further. Its better to place a picture of > a deity> than a deity itself. Having a deity requires the necessary offerings, > bhojans and poojas. This is often very difficult to maintian for the> average working family as one doesnt want to commit any offences. > What to> speak of offences committed by the congregations at many Temples > around> the world where the deities are 'locked up' during the week and > only open> on a Sunday for satsang.>> Best Wishes>> Bipin>> >>>> > On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:27:15 +0200, Swee Chan <swee > wrote:>>>>> Jaya Jagannatha >>>> Dear Bivash,>> Namaste>>>> According to the teachings from my Guru, a yantra is NEVER worshipped>> by the lay person. Instead, it is a kavacha that one requires. If a >> kavacha and yagna are both done including the feeding (Brahmana>> bhojan) and gifts of charity to them as ONE rite, the yantra for>> adoration goes to one chosen by the chief priest.>> >> As for the pictures, I am taught that one cannot give prana>> pratishtha to a piece of paper, except for a stone/gemstone or the>> different metals, gold being the best. Hence, worship to a yantra >> printed on a piece of printing paper does not do anything. An image>> that is printed can bode well for many people as it is human nature>> that the mind requires something to concentrate on and in this case, >> a picture which most can relate to. Thus, a picture works better than>> a yantra on which for the uninitiated, does not mean a thing unless>> explained, for each box and number being written will have (siddhi) >> mantra chanted whilst being drawn with a special pen elected for that>> purpose and " ink " with the eight fragrant items.>>>> The mantra written and encased in a metal (silver copper, gold etc) >> gutika was seen on many of the sages beside Krishna etc at birth and>> that they had carried it from life after life.>>>> To conclude, offer your mantra seated on your asana. If you require >> something to focus on, let it be the light from the ghee lamp. If it>> is something to focus your mind on, begin chanting loudly to fill the>> room until you are able to still your mind do you progress to mental >> chanting which is considered to be the best.>>>> love,>>>> Swee>>>>>> On 16 Apr 2008, at 13:03, Bivash Ramroop wrote:>>>>> Om Brihaspataye Namah >>>>>> Dear members,>>> Namaste>>>>>> There are many websites on the internet that advertise and sell>>> Yantras to remove certain negative effects in a person's life. >>>>>> Can I person worship a yantra for a general purpose? For example,>>> some people in their homes have an altar with pictures of a God and>>> Goddess etc. Can these pictures be substituted with a Yantra and >>> worshipped?>>>>>> Can a Yantra be incorporated into daily worship, but without the>>> expectation of a specific result?>>>>>> For me, I find Yantras very attractive because of the geometric >>> design and sanskrit writing.>>>>>> Any thoughts?>>>>>> Hare Krishna>>> Bivash>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> --->> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 Jaya JagannathaDear Anand,NamasteNot at all. I was comparing the difference between the two versus the English translation.Nowadays, "elements" are used loosely to explain the unseen forces that are about us.love,SweeOn 19 Apr 2008, at 19:54, Anand Ravi wrote:Om Namah Shivaya Dear Swee Ji, Pranams Interesting, So we can also call pancha dhatu as pancha bhoota as well. Correct? as once the five metalsare mixed we cant see the individual metals from the mixture. So it becomes unseen elements. Or here unseen element means those metals which are not yet discovered by the human brains. RgdsAnandOn Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote:Jaya JagannathaDear Anand,NamasteThis is a problem with translations - the elements can mean so many things in English. The panch bhoota that Bipin said is to mean "unseen" elements, while dhatu is more mineral content and can be seen.Things that go bump in the night or the negative element that emanates from a lonely tree is to be known as such.The Supreme energy comes more than five (panch) forms and from the elements (tattvas) were the purusha manifest.love,SweeOn 17 Apr 2008, at 14:08, Anand Ravi wrote:Om Namah Shivaya Dear Bipin, Namaste Its Pancha Loka or Pancha Dhatu. RgdsAnandOn Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Bipin Prag <bipinprag (AT) grouply (DOT) com> wrote:Om Namo Bhagavate ParamguraveDear SweeHare KrishnaWith die cast metal being made with recycled mixture of metals, would this still be considered as pure for deities to be made from it. Im not referring to die cast metals used for ornamental purposes.Could you please clarify, what are the best metals to be used for deities. I know some deities are made of the 5 (panch mahabhootas) not sure if i got the spelling right, but the mixture in die-cast is very porous reminding one of volcanic rockBest WishesBipinOn 16/04/2008, Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote:Jaya JagannathaDear Bipin,Hare KrishnaWell understood, except that i must correct your statement made on the die-cast copper which is fine. Prana pratishtha can be given to metals as I've said. Try giving a yantra to a Temple and see if they will accept it without prior arrangement. To worship a yantra, one has to have the qualifications, maintain purity and be devoted to its daily worship.love,SweeOn 16 Apr 2008, at 18:01, Bipin Prag wrote:> Om Namo Parma Gurave>> Dear Swee> Hare Krishna>> This is very profund information you are sharing. So many people are> conned into buying yantras. Ive seen in my Vastu research how all > sorts> of things are sold in the name of remedies for yantras and its sad > when> these so called consultants pry on peoples insecurities. Nowadays, > we get> full digital colour yantras, copper plated diecast metals, etc, but > they> have no efficacy like you said.>> Yantra is derived from the root word "yam" meaning "to sustain, > hold or> hold up". Yantra as a noun is explained... "any instrument for > holding or> restraining ..... then further described as.... an amulet, mystical> diagram supposed to possess occult power." No mention of digital > colour> copies that are sold today :-)>> To clarify what you said. My understanding is that the chief priest> merely just doesnt give the yantra to someone for the sake of it or > as a> gift. That person continues with the offerings and mantras daily on> behalf of the person for who it was meant. I think this is the same> understanding when one has to offer a deity to a temple as a remedy > for a> chart affliction.>> To expand the discussion further. Its better to place a picture of > a deity> than a deity itself. Having a deity requires the necessary offerings,> bhojans and poojas. This is often very difficult to maintian for the> average working family as one doesnt want to commit any offences. > What to> speak of offences committed by the congregations at many Temples > around> the world where the deities are 'locked up' during the week and > only open> on a Sunday for satsang.>> Best Wishes>> Bipin>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:27:15 +0200, Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> > wrote:>>>>> Jaya Jagannatha>>>> Dear Bivash,>> Namaste>>>> According to the teachings from my Guru, a yantra is NEVER worshipped>> by the lay person. Instead, it is a kavacha that one requires. If a>> kavacha and yagna are both done including the feeding (Brahmana>> bhojan) and gifts of charity to them as ONE rite, the yantra for>> adoration goes to one chosen by the chief priest.>>>> As for the pictures, I am taught that one cannot give prana>> pratishtha to a piece of paper, except for a stone/gemstone or the>> different metals, gold being the best. Hence, worship to a yantra>> printed on a piece of printing paper does not do anything. An image>> that is printed can bode well for many people as it is human nature>> that the mind requires something to concentrate on and in this case,>> a picture which most can relate to. Thus, a picture works better than>> a yantra on which for the uninitiated, does not mean a thing unless>> explained, for each box and number being written will have (siddhi)>> mantra chanted whilst being drawn with a special pen elected for that>> purpose and "ink" with the eight fragrant items.>>>> The mantra written and encased in a metal (silver copper, gold etc)>> gutika was seen on many of the sages beside Krishna etc at birth and>> that they had carried it from life after life.>>>> To conclude, offer your mantra seated on your asana. If you require>> something to focus on, let it be the light from the ghee lamp. If it>> is something to focus your mind on, begin chanting loudly to fill the>> room until you are able to still your mind do you progress to mental>> chanting which is considered to be the best.>>>> love,>>>> Swee>>>>>> On 16 Apr 2008, at 13:03, Bivash Ramroop wrote:>>>>> Om Brihaspataye Namah>>>>>> Dear members,>>> Namaste>>>>>> There are many websites on the internet that advertise and sell>>> Yantras to remove certain negative effects in a person's life.>>>>>> Can I person worship a yantra for a general purpose? For example,>>> some people in their homes have an altar with pictures of a God and>>> Goddess etc. Can these pictures be substituted with a Yantra and>>> worshipped?>>>>>> Can a Yantra be incorporated into daily worship, but without the>>> expectation of a specific result?>>>>>> For me, I find Yantras very attractive because of the geometric>>> design and sanskrit writing.>>>>>> Any thoughts?>>>>>> Hare Krishna>>> Bivash>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --->> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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