Guest guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Om Namo Bhagavate ParamguraveDear SweeNamasteWith reference to colours of the signs, Narada Purana indicates the following (Ch55,12-13)Aries = Red Taurus = WhiteGemini = GreenCancer = PinkLeo = BrownVirgo = GreyLibra = VariegatedScorpio = BlackSagittarius = YellowCapricorn = Saffron Aquarius = Deep BrownPisces = BrightMy dilemma is, how do we reconcile Parashara as quoted by SS with the purana, Pale white is far from Brown?? Best Wishes Bipin2009/3/13 Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak Hi All, BPHS says: raktashyamo divaadhIsho.... for Sun. what is raktashyama? rakta is blood...which is supposed to be red - but what would be shyama added to that - black? or does raktashyama mean blood-like? for Simha rasi, it says: paanduH ... which is pale / pale-white, i guess. Sharat, the 2 colors you ask are for Sun and Leo (red etc. and pale white, respectively). Best Regards, SS sohamsa , " Shyam V Srivatsa " <shyam.srivatsa wrote:>> Dear Bipin,> Sorry- I was quoting Sarvartha Chintamani- where Sun is refered to as 'deharaktha shyamanvithaha'. The sloka in BPHS only refers to His eyes as yellow. As an idiot trying to gain knowledge from books, I can only quote what I have read.. Could you tell me your source - is it from a parampara ? I am always willing to learn. > > Regards> > Shyam> > > > ----- Start Original Message -----> Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:26:45 +0200> Bipin Prag bipinprag > sohamsa > Re: Colour assoicated with Surya> > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave > Dear Shyam> Mars is Red, but Sun is Orange-Red> Regards> Bipin> > 2009/3/13 Sharat Misra gidoc > Om Gurave Namaha|> > Dear Shyam, > > Is not Red for Mangal(Mars)?> > Best wishes> Sharat> > > > On 13 Mar 2009, at 12:52, Shyam V Srivatsa wrote:> > > BPHS attributes the colour RED. > >> > Regards,> >> > Shyam> >> > ----- Start Original Message -----> > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:51:38 +0000> > Sharat Misra gidoc > > sohamsa > > Colour assoicated with Surya> >> >>> >> Om Gurave Namaha|| > >> > I have a doubt over the colour associated with surya(sun). I> recollect> > this being off white( like khaki) but doubt was raised, that it> should> > be orange. > > Any thoughts on this are much appreciated.> > Regar ds> > Sharat> >> >> >> >> > ----- End Original Message -----> >> >> > ---> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Om Gurave Namaha||Dear Bipin,As learned from this tradition, this is the colour scheme I know of about rasi:Aries = RedTaurus = WhiteGemini = GreenCancer = PinkLeo = Off White/khakiVirgo = GreyLibra = BlackScorpio = Bright yellowSagittarius = Golden Capricorn = BlueAquarius = PurplePisces = Sea blue or transparentRegardsSharatOn 13 Mar 2009, at 20:26, Bipin Prag wrote:Om Namo Bhagavate ParamguraveDear SweeNamasteWith reference to colours of the signs, Narada Purana indicates the following (Ch55,12-13)Aries = RedTaurus = WhiteGemini = GreenCancer = PinkLeo = BrownVirgo = GreyLibra = VariegatedScorpio = BlackSagittarius = YellowCapricorn = SaffronAquarius = Deep BrownPisces = BrightMy dilemma is, how do we reconcile Parashara as quoted by SS with the purana, Pale white is far from Brown?? Best WishesBipin2009/3/13 Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak >Hi All,BPHS says:raktashyamo divaadhIsho.... for Sun.what is raktashyama? rakta is blood...which is supposed to be red - but what would be shyama added to that - black?or does raktashyama mean blood-like?for Simha rasi, it says: paanduH ... which is pale / pale-white, i guess.Sharat, the 2 colors you ask are for Sun and Leo (red etc. and pale white, respectively).Best Regards,SS sohamsa , "Shyam V Srivatsa" <shyam.srivatsa wrote:>> Dear Bipin,> Sorry- I was quoting Sarvartha Chintamani- where Sun is refered to as 'deharaktha shyamanvithaha'. The sloka in BPHS only refers to His eyes as yellow. As an idiot trying to gain knowledge from books, I can only quote what I have read.. Could you tell me your source - is it from a parampara ? I am always willing to learn.> > Regards> > Shyam> > > > ----- Start Original Message -----> Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:26:45 +0200> Bipin Prag bipinprag sohamsa > Re: Colour assoicated with Surya> > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave> Dear Shyam> Mars is Red, but Sun is Orange-Red> Regards> Bipin> > 2009/3/13 Sharat Misra gidoc > Om Gurave Namaha|> > Dear Shyam,> > Is not Red for Mangal(Mars)?> > Best wishes> Sharat> > > > On 13 Mar 2009, at 12:52, Shyam V Srivatsa wrote:> > > BPHS attributes the colour RED.> >> > Regards,> >> > Shyam> >> > ----- Start Original Message -----> > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:51:38 +0000> > Sharat Misra gidoc > sohamsa > > Colour assoicated with Surya> >> >>> >> Om Gurave Namaha||> >> > I have a doubt over the colour associated with surya(sun). I> recollect> > this being off white( like khaki) but doubt was raised, that it> should> > be orange.> > Any thoughts on this are much appreciated.> > Regar ds> > Sharat> >> >> >> >> > ----- End Original Message -----> >> >> > ---> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Om Namo Bhagavate ParamguraveDear SS & SharatNamasteWe often find what we percieve as conflicting meanings/references from different texts on the same topic. I just quoted the one reference from Narad Purana as an alternative to proposed by Parashara. It is for this reason we need Guru and Parampara to guide us in reconciling all these subtle differences. My only assumption is that the various colours for Surya as we have discovered are to used for different applications. Lets wait for some more clarity from the Seniors. Best WishesBipin2009/3/14 Sharat Misra <gidoc Om Gurave Namaha||Dear Bipin,As learned from this tradition, this is the colour scheme I know of about rasi: Aries = RedTaurus = WhiteGemini = GreenCancer = PinkLeo = Off White/khakiVirgo = GreyLibra = BlackScorpio = Bright yellowSagittarius = Golden Capricorn = BlueAquarius = PurplePisces = Sea blue or transparentRegardsSharat On 13 Mar 2009, at 20:26, Bipin Prag wrote: Om Namo Bhagavate ParamguraveDear SweeNamaste With reference to colours of the signs, Narada Purana indicates the following (Ch55,12-13)Aries = RedTaurus = WhiteGemini = GreenCancer = Pink Leo = BrownVirgo = GreyLibra = VariegatedScorpio = BlackSagittarius = YellowCapricorn = SaffronAquarius = Deep B rownPisces = BrightMy dilemma is, how do we reconcile Parashara as quoted by SS with the purana, Pale white is far from Brown?? Best Wishes Bipin2009/3/13 Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak Hi All,BPHS says:raktashyamo divaadhIsho.... for Sun.what is raktashyama? rakta is blood...which is supposed to be red - but what would be shyama added to that - bla ck?or does raktashyama mean blood-like?for Simha rasi, it says: paanduH ... which is pale / pale-white, i guess.Sharat, the 2 colors you ask are for Sun and Leo (red etc. and pale white, respectively). Best Regards,SS --- In sohamsa , " Shyam V Srivatsa " <shyam.srivatsa wrote: >> Dear Bipin,> Sorry- I was quoting Sarvartha Chintamani- where Sun is refered to as 'deharaktha shyamanvithaha'. The sloka in BPHS only refers to His eyes as yellow. As an idiot trying to gain knowledge from books, I can only quote what I have read.. Could you tell me your so urce - is it from a parampara ? I am always willing to learn.> > Regards> > Shyam> > > > ----- Start Original Message -----> Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:26:45 +0200> Bipin Prag bipinprag To: sohamsa > Re: Colour assoicated with Surya> > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave> Dear Shyam> Mars is Red, but Sun is Orange-Red> Regards > Bipin> > 2009/3/13 Sharat Misra gidoc > Om Gurave Namaha|> > Dear Shyam,> > Is not Red for Mangal(Mars)? > > Best wishes> Sharat> > > > On 13 Mar 2009, at 12:52, Shyam V Srivatsa wrote:> > > BPHS attributes the colour RED. > >> > Regards,> >> > Shyam> >> > ----- Start Original Message -----> > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:51:38 +0000> > Sharat Misra gidoc > > To: < a href= " sohamsa " target= " _blank " style= " color: rgb(30, 102, 174); " >sohamsa > > Colour assoicated with Surya> >> >>> >> Om Gurave Namaha||> >> > I have a doubt over the colour associated with surya(sun). I> recollect > > this being off white( like khaki) but doubt was raised, that it> should> > be orange.> > Any thoughts on this are much appreciated.> > Regar ds> > Sharat> > > >> >> >> > ----- End Original Message -----> >> >> > ---> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 हरे राम कृष्ण Dear Bipin and Sharat, Namaskar. As per Parashara Sun is Dark-Red complexion and its sign is off-white or khakis. The same is taught in the tradition, naturally. Other colours maybe associated with the grahas for different purposes, i.e. when we speak of complexions the reference to Dark-red is given. So Bipin, do give us the sloka from Narada Purana and the context wherein its given? Normally copper metal is associated with Sun and Mars also. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti Bipin Prag skrev: Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave Dear SS & Sharat Namaste We often find what we percieve as conflicting meanings/references from different texts on the same topic. I just quoted the one reference from Narad Purana as an alternative to proposed by Parashara. It is for this reason we need Guru and Parampara to guide us in reconciling all these subtle differences. My only assumption is that the various colours for Surya as we have discovered are to used for different applications. Lets wait for some more clarity from the Seniors. Best Wishes Bipin 2009/3/14 Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> Om Gurave Namaha|| Dear Bipin, As learned from this tradition, this is the colour scheme I know of about rasi: Aries = Red Taurus = White Gemini = Green Cancer = Pink Leo = Off White/khaki Virgo = Grey Libra = Black Scorpio = Bright yellow Sagittarius = Golden Capricorn = Blue Aquarius = Purple Pisces = Sea blue or transparent Regards Sharat On 13 Mar 2009, at 20:26, Bipin Prag wrote: Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave Dear Swee Namaste With reference to colours of the signs, Narada Purana indicates the following (Ch55,12-13) Aries = Red Taurus = White Gemini = Green Cancer = Pink Leo = Brown Virgo = Grey Libra = Variegated Scorpio = Black Sagittarius = Yellow Capricorn = Saffron Aquarius = Deep B rown Pisces = Bright My dilemma is, how do we reconcile Parashara as quoted by SS with the purana, Pale white is far from Brown?? Best Wishes Bipin 2009/3/13 Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak > Hi All, BPHS says: raktashyamo divaadhIsho.... for Sun. what is raktashyama? rakta is blood...which is supposed to be red - but what would be shyama added to that - bla ck? or does raktashyama mean blood-like? for Simha rasi, it says: paanduH ... which is pale / pale-white, i guess. Sharat, the 2 colors you ask are for Sun and Leo (red etc. and pale white, respectively). Best Regards, SS sohamsa , "Shyam V Srivatsa" <shyam.srivatsa wrote: > > Dear Bipin, > Sorry- I was quoting Sarvartha Chintamani- where Sun is refered to as 'deharaktha shyamanvithaha'. The sloka in BPHS only refers to His eyes as yellow. As an idiot trying to gain knowledge from books, I can only quote what I have read.. Could you tell me your so urce - is it from a parampara ? I am always willing to learn. > > Regards > > Shyam > > > > ----- Start Original Message ----- > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:26:45 +0200 > Bipin Prag bipinprag > sohamsa > Re: Colour assoicated with Surya > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave > Dear Shyam > Mars is Red, but Sun is Orange-Red > Regards > Bipin > > 2009/3/13 Sharat Misra gidoc > > Om Gurave Namaha| > > Dear Shyam, > > Is not Red for Mangal(Mars)? > > Best wishes > Sharat > > > > On 13 Mar 2009, at 12:52, Shyam V Srivatsa wrote: > > > BPHS attributes the colour RED. > > > > Regards, > > > > Shyam > > > > ----- Start Original Message ----- > > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:51:38 +0000 > > Sharat Misra gidoc > > < a href="sohamsa " target="_blank" style="color: rgb(30, 102, 174);">sohamsa > > Colour assoicated with Surya > > > >> > >> Om Gurave Namaha|| > > > > I have a doubt over the colour associated with surya(sun). I > recollect > > this being off white( like khaki) but doubt was raised, that it > should > > be orange. > > Any thoughts on this are much appreciated. > > Regar ds > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > ----- End Original Message ----- > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Om Namo Bhagavate ParamguraveDear VistiNamasteThanks for clarifying the parampara understanding on this. Chapter 55 is entitled 'Delineation of Horoscopy' and the context is that this part of the chapter expands on the basics of Jyotish including descriptions of planets, signs etc - please see file attached Verses 12-13 - english translation (Motilal version) 'The Houses immediately following the Kendras are termed Panaphara; and those following the latter, Apoklima.  The colours of the 12 Rasis beginning with Aries are in order....1) Red, 2) White, 3) Green, 4) Pink, 5) Brown, 6) Grey, 7) Variegated, 8) Black, 9) Yellow, 10) Saffron, 11) Deep Brown, 12) Bright " Im not sure if the Chapter title could refer to Prasna - I doubt it but could be wrong.  Sweeji has cautioned that there are some errors in Motilal edition - not sure if there are any here. Having said this ive managed to find the sanskrit version (links below) in case you would like to verify the sanskrit and advise us. Best wishesBipinhttp://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/puranas/narada_purana_purva.pdf  2009/3/14 Visti Larsen <visti हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Bipin and Sharat, Namaskar. As per Parashara Sun is Dark-Red complexion and its sign is off-white or khakis. The same is taught in the tradition, naturally. Other colours maybe associated with the grahas for different purposes, i.e. when we speak of complexions the reference to Dark-red is given. So Bipin, do give us the sloka from Narada Purana and the context wherein its given? Normally copper metal is associated with Sun and Mars also. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti Bipin Prag skrev: Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave Dear SS & Sharat Namaste We often find what we percieve as conflicting meanings/references from different texts on the same topic.  I just quoted the one reference from Narad Purana as an alternative to proposed by Parashara.  It is for this reason we need Guru and Parampara to guide us in reconciling all these subtle differences.  My only assumption is that the various colours for Surya as we have discovered are to used for different applications.  Lets wait for some more clarity from the Seniors. Best Wishes Bipin 2009/3/14 Sharat Misra <gidoc Om Gurave Namaha|| Dear Bipin, As learned from this tradition, this is the colour scheme I know of about rasi: Aries = Red Taurus = White Gemini = Green Cancer = Pink Leo = Off White/khaki Virgo = Grey Libra = Black Scorpio = Bright yellow Sagittarius = Golden Capricorn = Blue Aquarius = Purple Pisces = Sea blue or transparent Regards Sharat On 13 Mar 2009, at 20:26, Bipin Prag wrote: Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave Dear Swee Namaste With reference to colours of the signs, Narada Purana indicates the following (Ch55,12-13) Aries = Red Taurus = White Gemini = Green Cancer = Pink Leo = Brown Virgo = Grey Libra = Variegated Scorpio = Black Sagittarius = Yellow Capricorn = Saffron Aquarius = Deep B rown Pisces = Bright My dilemma is, how do we reconcile Parashara as quoted by SS with the purana, Pale white is far from Brown??  Best Wishes Bipin 2009/3/13 Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak Hi All, BPHS says: raktashyamo divaadhIsho.... for Sun. what is raktashyama? rakta is blood...which is supposed to be red - but what would be shyama added to that - bla ck? or does raktashyama mean blood-like? for Simha rasi, it says: paanduH ... which is pale / pale-white, i guess. Sharat, the 2 colors you ask are for Sun and Leo (red etc. and pale white, respectively). Best Regards, SS  --- In sohamsa , " Shyam V Srivatsa " <shyam.srivatsa wrote: > > Dear Bipin, > Sorry- I was quoting Sarvartha Chintamani- where Sun is refered to as 'deharaktha shyamanvithaha'. The sloka in BPHS only refers to His eyes as yellow. As an idiot trying to gain knowledge from books, I can only quote what I have read.. Could you tell me your so urce - is it from a parampara ? I am always willing to learn. > > Regards > > Shyam > > > > ----- Start Original Message ----- > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:26:45 +0200 > Bipin Prag bipinprag > To: sohamsa > Re: Colour assoicated with Surya > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave > Dear Shyam > Mars is Red, but Sun is Orange-Red > Regards > Bipin > > 2009/3/13 Sharat Misra gidoc > > Om Gurave Namaha| > > Dear Shyam, > > Is not Red for Mangal(Mars)? > > Best wishes > Sharat > > > > On 13 Mar 2009, at 12:52, Shyam V Srivatsa wrote: > > > BPHS attributes the colour RED. > > > > Regards, > > > > Shyam > > > > ----- Start Original Message ----- > > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:51:38 +0000 > > Sharat Misra gidoc > > To: < a href= " sohamsa " target= " _blank " style= " color: rgb(30, 102, 174); " >sohamsa > > Colour assoicated with Surya > > > >> > >> Om Gurave Namaha|| > > > > I have a doubt over the colour associated with surya(sun). I > recollect > > this being off white( like khaki) but doubt was raised, that it > should > > be orange. > > Any thoughts on this are much appreciated. > > Regar ds > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > ----- End Original Message ----- > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Om Namo Bhagavate ParamguraveDear SSNamasteThanks for your input. The discussion evolved from Planets into Signs, so both is being discussed as there are inconsistencies. May I rephrase and ask for guidance on how to use each reference in their respective contexts.. Best WishesBipin2009/3/14 Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak Dear Bipin, I did understand your question was regarding variations between different texts. I believe your reference pertains to the sloka 16 of Chap. 55 of Narada Purana you've given a link below to, pertaining to the colors attributed to the planets: taamra-shukl-rakta-hari.....taamra obviously meaning copper. Best Regards, SS sohamsa , Bipin Prag <bipinprag wrote:>> Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave > Dear Visti> Namaste> > Thanks for clarifying the parampara understanding on this.> > Chapter 55 is entitled 'Delineation of Horoscopy' and the context is that> this part of the chapter expands on the basics of Jyotish including > descriptions of planets, signs etc - please see file attached> > Verses 12-13 - english translation (Motilal version)> 'The Houses immediately following the Kendras are termed Panaphara; and > those following the latter, Apoklima. The colours of the 12 Rasis beginning> with Aries are in order....1) Red, 2) White, 3) Green, 4) Pink, 5) Brown,> 6) Grey, 7) Variegated, 8) Black, 9) Yellow, 10) Saffron, 11) Deep Brown, > 12) Bright " > > Im not sure if the Chapter title could refer to Prasna - I doubt it but> could be wrong. Sweeji has cautioned that there are some errors in Motilal> edition - not sure if there are any here. Having said this ive managed to > find the sanskrit version (links below) in case you would like to verify the> sanskrit and advise us.> > Best wishes> > Bipin> > http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/puranas/narada_purana_purva.pdf > > > > > > 2009/3/14 Visti Larsen visti > > हरे राम कृषॠण> > Dear Bipin and Sharat, Namaskar.> > As per Parashara Sun is Dark-Red *complexion *and its sign is off-white or > > khakis. The same is taught in the tradition, naturally.> > Other colours maybe associated with the grahas for different purposes, i.e.> > when we speak of complexions the reference to Dark-red is given. > > So Bipin, do give us the sloka from Narada Purana and the context wherein> > its given? Normally copper metal is associated with Sun and Mars also.> > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen> > ---------- > > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer)> > www: www: http://srigaruda.com> > @: visti >> > Bipin Prag skrev: > >> > Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave> >> > Dear SS & Sharat> > Namaste> >> > We often find what we percieve as conflicting meanings/references from > > different texts on the same topic. I just quoted the one reference from> > Narad Purana as an alternative to proposed by Parashara. It is for this> > reason we need Guru and Parampara to guide us in reconciling all these > > subtle differences. My only assumption is that the various colours for> > Surya as we have discovered are to used for different applications. Lets> > wait for some more clarity from the Seniors. > >> > Best Wishes> >> > Bipin> >> >> >> > 2009/3/14 Sharat Misra gidoc >> >> Om Gurave Namaha|| > >>> >> Dear Bipin,> >> As learned from this tradition, this is the colour scheme I know of about> >> rasi:> >>> >> Aries = Red> >> Taurus = White > >> Gemini = Green> >> Cancer = Pink> >> Leo = Off White/khaki> >> Virgo = Grey> >> Libra = Black> >> Scorpio = Bright yellow> >> Sagittarius = Golden > >> Capricorn = Blue> >> Aquarius = Purple> >> Pisces = Sea blue or transparent> >>> >>> >> Regards> >> Sharat> >>> >> > >>> >>> >>> >> On 13 Mar 2009, at 20:26, Bipin Prag wrote:> >>> >> Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave> >>> >> Dear Swee> >> Namaste > >>> >> With reference to colours of the signs, Narada Purana indicates the> >> following (Ch55,12-13)> >>> >> Aries = Red> >> Taurus = White> >> Gemini = Green > >> Cancer = Pink> >> Leo = Brown> >> Virgo = Grey> >> Libra = Variegated> >> Scorpio = Black> >> Sagittarius = Yellow> >> Capricorn = Saffron > >> Aquarius = Deep B rown> >> Pisces = Bright> >>> >> My dilemma is, how do we reconcile Parashara as quoted by SS with the> >> purana, Pale white is far from Brown?? > >>> >> Best Wishes> >>> >> Bipin> >>> >>> >> 2009/3/13 Soul Sadhak soulsadhak >> > >>>> >>> Hi All,> >>>> >>> BPHS says:> >>>> >>> *raktashyamo divaadhIsho.... *for Sun.> >>>> >>> what is raktashyama? rakta is blood...which is supposed to be red - but > >>> what would be shyama added to that - bla ck?> >>>> >>> or does raktashyama mean blood-like?> >>>> >>> for Simha rasi, it says: *paanduH* ... which is pale / pale-white, i > >>> guess.> >>>> >>> Sharat, the 2 colors you ask are for Sun and Leo (red etc. and pale> >>> white, respectively).> >>>> >>> Best Regards, > >>>> >>> SS> >>>> >>> **> >>>> >>>> >>> sohamsa , " Shyam V Srivatsa " shyam.srivatsa@ > >>> wrote:> >>> >> >>> > Dear Bipin,> >>> > Sorry- I was quoting Sarvartha Chintamani- where Sun is refered to as> >>> 'deharaktha shyamanvithaha'. The sloka in BPHS only refers to His eyes as > >>> yellow. As an idiot trying to gain knowledge from books, I can only quote> >>> what I have read.. Could you tell me your so urce - is it from a parampara ?> >>> I am always willing to learn. > >>> >> >>> > Regards> >>> >> >>> > Shyam> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > ----- Start Original Message ----- > >>> > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:26:45 +0200> >>> > Bipin Prag bipinprag@> >>> > sohamsa > >>> > Re: Colour assoicated with Surya> >>> >> >>> > >> >>> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave> >>> > Dear Shyam > >>> > Mars is Red, but Sun is Orange-Red> >>> > Regards> >>> > Bipin> >>> >> >>> > 2009/3/13 Sharat Misra gidoc@> >>> > > >>> > Om Gurave Namaha|> >>> >> >>> > Dear Shyam,> >>> >> >>> > Is not Red for Mangal(Mars)?> >>> >> >>> > Best wishes > >>> > Sharat> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > On 13 Mar 2009, at 12:52, Shyam V Srivatsa wrote:> >>> >> >>> > > BPHS attributes the colour RED. > >>> > >> >>> > > Regards,> >>> > >> >>> > > Shyam> >>> > >> >>> > > ----- Start Original Message ----- > >>> > > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:51:38 +0000> >>> > > Sharat Misra gidoc@> >>>> >>> > > < a href= " sohamsa " target= " _blank " > >>> style= " color: rgb(30, 102, 174); " >sohamsa > >>> > > Colour assoicated with Surya > >>> > >> >>> > >>> >>> > >> Om Gurave Namaha||> >>> > >> >>> > > I have a doubt over the colour associated with surya(sun). I > >>> > recollect> >>> > > this being off white( like khaki) but doubt was raised, that it> >>> > should> >>> > > be orange.> >>> > > Any thoughts on this are much appreciated. > >>> > > Regar ds> >>> > > Sharat> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > ----- End Original Message ----- > >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > ---> >>> > >> >>> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Bipin, Namaskar. Thanks for the reference. Always double check the sanskrit - I always do and then you learn much more. Heres the Sanskrit sloka which SS found: तामà¥à¤°à¤¶à¥à¤•à¥à¤²à¤°à¤¤à¤¹à¤°à¤¿à¤¤à¥à¤ªà¥€à¤¤à¤šà¤¿à¤¤à¥à¤°à¤¾à¤¸à¤¿à¤¤à¤¾ रवेः वरà¥à¤£à¤¾ वऽवà¥à¤¯à¤¹à¤¹à¤°à¥€à¤¨à¥à¤¦à¥à¤°à¤¾ शचीकौधिपारवेः। tÄmraÅ›uklarataharitpÄ«tacitrÄsitÄ raveḥ vará¹‡Ä va'vyahaharÄ«ndrÄ Å›acÄ«kaudhipÄraveḥ| Indeed the word: taamra has been used to describe the Suns colour or Varna. Hereunder I have copied the output from the MW dictionary for the word taamra, which I believe should satisfy our doubt:  mf(%{A})n. ( %{tam} Un2.) of a coppery red colour VS. xvi (Naigh. iii , 7) MBh. & c. (%{tAmrA@tvac} , the 4th of the 7 membranes with which an embryo is covered Sus3r. iii , 4 , 2) mf(%{I})n. made of copper R. iii , 21 , 17 Sus3r. Mn.vi , 53/54 BhavP. m. a kind of leprosy with large red spots , Karmavip. copper Kaus3. Mn. & c. a coppery receptacle MBh. ii , 61 , 29 a red kind of Abrus ib. a kind of pepper L. N. of a daughter of Daksha (one of the wives of Kas3yapa and mother of various birds) MBh. i , 2620 Hariv. R. iii BhP. vi , 6 , 25 ff. VP. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti Bipin Prag skrev: Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave Dear Visti Namaste Thanks for clarifying the parampara understanding on this. Chapter 55 is entitled 'Delineation of Horoscopy' and the context is that this part of the chapter expands on the basics of Jyotish including descriptions of planets, signs etc - please see file attached Verses 12-13 - english translation (Motilal version) 'The Houses immediately following the Kendras are termed Panaphara; and those following the latter, Apoklima.  The colours of the 12 Rasis beginning with Aries are in order....1) Red, 2) White, 3) Green, 4) Pink, 5) Brown, 6) Grey, 7) Variegated, 8) Black, 9) Yellow, 10) Saffron, 11) Deep Brown, 12) Bright" Im not sure if the Chapter title could refer to Prasna - I doubt it but could be wrong.  Sweeji has cautioned that there are some errors in Motilal edition - not sure if there are any here. Having said this ive managed to find the sanskrit version (links below) in case you would like to verify the sanskrit and advise us. Best wishes Bipin http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/puranas/narada_purana_purva.pdf  2009/3/14 Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Bipin and Sharat, Namaskar. As per Parashara Sun is Dark-Red complexion and its sign is off-white or khakis. The same is taught in the tradition, naturally. Other colours maybe associated with the grahas for different purposes, i.e. when we speak of complexions the reference to Dark-red is given. So Bipin, do give us the sloka from Narada Purana and the context wherein its given? Normally copper metal is associated with Sun and Mars also. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com Bipin Prag skrev: Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave Dear SS & Sharat Namaste We often find what we percieve as conflicting meanings/references from different texts on the same topic.  I just quoted the one reference from Narad Purana as an alternative to proposed by Parashara.  It is for this reason we need Guru and Parampara to guide us in reconciling all these subtle differences.  My only assumption is that the various colours for Surya as we have discovered are to used for different applications.  Lets wait for some more clarity from the Seniors. Best Wishes Bipin 2009/3/14 Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> Om Gurave Namaha|| Dear Bipin, As learned from this tradition, this is the colour scheme I know of about rasi: Aries = Red Taurus = White Gemini = Green Cancer = Pink Leo = Off White/khaki Virgo = Grey Libra = Black Scorpio = Bright yellow Sagittarius = Golden Capricorn = Blue Aquarius = Purple Pisces = Sea blue or transparent Regards Sharat On 13 Mar 2009, at 20:26, Bipin Prag wrote: Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave Dear Swee Namaste With reference to colours of the signs, Narada Purana indicates the following (Ch55,12-13) Aries = Red Taurus = White Gemini = Green Cancer = Pink Leo = Brown Virgo = Grey Libra = Variegated Scorpio = Black Sagittarius = Yellow Capricorn = Saffron Aquarius = Deep B rown Pisces = Bright My dilemma is, how do we reconcile Parashara as quoted by SS with the purana, Pale white is far from Brown??  Best Wishes Bipin 2009/3/13 Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak > Hi All, BPHS says: raktashyamo divaadhIsho.... for Sun. what is raktashyama? rakta is blood...which is supposed to be red - but what would be shyama added to that - bla ck? or does raktashyama mean blood-like? for Simha rasi, it says: paanduH ... which is pale / pale-white, i guess. Sharat, the 2 colors you ask are for Sun and Leo (red etc. and pale white, respectively). Best Regards, SS  --- In sohamsa , "Shyam V Srivatsa" <shyam.srivatsa wrote: > > Dear Bipin, > Sorry- I was quoting Sarvartha Chintamani- where Sun is refered to as 'deharaktha shyamanvithaha'. The sloka in BPHS only refers to His eyes as yellow. As an idiot trying to gain knowledge from books, I can only quote what I have read.. Could you tell me your so urce - is it from a parampara ? I am always willing to learn. > > Regards > > Shyam > > > > ----- Start Original Message ----- > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:26:45 +0200 > Bipin Prag bipinprag > To: sohamsa > Re: Colour assoicated with Surya > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave > Dear Shyam > Mars is Red, but Sun is Orange-Red > Regards > Bipin > > 2009/3/13 Sharat Misra gidoc > > Om Gurave Namaha| > > Dear Shyam, > > Is not Red for Mangal(Mars)? > > Best wishes > Sharat > > > > On 13 Mar 2009, at 12:52, Shyam V Srivatsa wrote: > > > BPHS attributes the colour RED. > > > > Regards, > > > > Shyam > > > > ----- Start Original Message ----- > > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:51:38 +0000 > > Sharat Misra gidoc > > To: < a href="sohamsa " target="_blank" style="color: rgb(30, 102, 174);">sohamsa > > Colour assoicated with Surya > > > >> > >> Om Gurave Namaha|| > > > > I have a doubt over the colour associated with surya(sun). I > recollect > > this being off white( like khaki) but doubt was raised, that it > should > > be orange. > > Any thoughts on this are much appreciated. > > Regar ds > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > ----- End Original Message ----- > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Om Namo Bhagavate ParamguraveDear Visti and SSNamasteWe have now established that according to parampara the actual colour for Sun is Maroon (alternatively = Dark Red)  My question still remains... under what circumstances do we use copper as colour for Sun.  Incidentally, ive read that copper is often used as a remedy for Vastu dosha for East direction, but im not sure if this is exclusively for Vastu. I agree, brushing up on some sanskrit is definately on the todo list.  Best WishesBipin2009/3/14 Visti Larsen <visti हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Bipin, Namaskar. Thanks for the reference. Always double check the sanskrit - I always do and then you learn much more. Heres the Sanskrit sloka which SS found: तामà¥à¤°à¤¶à¥à¤•à¥à¤²à¤°à¤¤à¤¹à¤°à¤¿à¤¤à¥à¤ªà¥€à¤¤à¤šà¤¿à¤¤à¥à¤°à¤¾à¤¸à¤¿à¤¤à¤¾ रवेः वरà¥à¤£à¤¾ वऽवà¥à¤¯à¤¹à¤¹à¤°à¥€à¤¨à¥à¤¦à¥à¤°à¤¾ शचीकौधिपारवेः। tÄmraÅ›uklarataharitpÄ«tacitrÄsitÄ raveḥ vará¹‡Ä va'vyahaharÄ«ndrÄ Å›acÄ«kaudhipÄraveḥ| Indeed the word: taamra has been used to describe the Suns colour or Varna. Hereunder I have copied the output from the MW dictionary for the word taamra, which I believe should satisfy our doubt:  mf(%{A})n. ( %{tam} Un2.) of a coppery red colour VS. xvi (Naigh. iii , 7) MBh. & c. (%{tAmrA@tvac} , the 4th of the 7 membranes with which an embryo is covered Sus3r. iii , 4 , 2) mf(%{I})n. made of copper R. iii , 21 , 17 Sus3r. Mn.vi , 53/54 BhavP. m. a kind of leprosy with large red spots , Karmavip. copper Kaus3. Mn. & c. a coppery receptacle MBh. ii , 61 , 29 a red kind of Abrus ib. a kind of pepper L. N. of a daughter of Daksha (one of the wives of Kas3yapa and mother of various birds) MBh. i , 2620 Hariv. R. iii BhP. vi , 6 , 25 ff. VP. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti Bipin Prag skrev: Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave Dear Visti Namaste Thanks for clarifying the parampara understanding on this. Chapter 55 is entitled 'Delineation of Horoscopy' and the context is that this part of the chapter expands on the basics of Jyotish including descriptions of planets, signs etc - please see file attached Verses 12-13 - english translation (Motilal version) 'The Houses immediately following the Kendras are termed Panaphara; and those following the latter, Apoklima.  The colours of the 12 Rasis beginning with Aries are in order....1) Red, 2) White, 3) Green, 4) Pink, 5) Brown, 6) Grey, 7) Variegated, 8) Black, 9) Yellow, 10) Saffron, 11) Deep Brown, 12) Bright " Im not sure if the Chapter title could refer to Prasna - I doubt it but could be wrong.  Sweeji has cautioned that there are some errors in Motilal edition - not sure if there are any here. Having said this ive managed to find the sanskrit version (links below) in case you would like to verify the sanskrit and advise us. Best wishes Bipin http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/puranas/narada_purana_purva.pdf  2009/3/14 Visti Larsen <visti हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Bipin and Sharat, Namaskar. As per Parashara Sun is Dark-Red complexion and its sign is off-white or khakis. The same is taught in the tradition, naturally. Other colours maybe associated with the grahas for different purposes, i.e. when we speak of complexions the reference to Dark-red is given. So Bipin, do give us the sloka from Narada Purana and the context wherein its given? Normally copper metal is associated with Sun and Mars also. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti Bipin Prag skrev: Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave Dear SS & Sharat Namaste We often find what we percieve as conflicting meanings/references from different texts on the same topic.  I just quoted the one reference from Narad Purana as an alternative to proposed by Parashara.  It is for this reason we need Guru and Parampara to guide us in reconciling all these subtle differences.  My only assumption is that the various colours for Surya as we have discovered are to used for different applications.  Lets wait for some more clarity from the Seniors. Best Wishes Bipin 2009/3/14 Sharat Misra <gidoc Om Gurave Namaha|| Dear Bipin, As learned from this tradition, this is the colour scheme I know of about rasi: Aries = Red Taurus = White Gemini = Green Cancer = Pink Leo = Off White/khaki Virgo = Grey Libra = Black Scorpio = Bright yellow Sagittarius = Golden Capricorn = Blue Aquarius = Purple Pisces = Sea blue or transparent Regards Sharat On 13 Mar 2009, at 20:26, Bipin Prag wrote: Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave Dear Swee Namaste With reference to colours of the signs, Narada Purana indicates the following (Ch55,12-13) Aries = Red Taurus = White Gemini = Green Cancer = Pink Leo = Brown Virgo = Grey Libra = Variegated Scorpio = Black Sagittarius = Yellow Capricorn = Saffron Aquarius = Deep B rown Pisces = Bright My dilemma is, how do we reconcile Parashara as quoted by SS with the purana, Pale white is far from Brown??  Best Wishes Bipin 2009/3/13 Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak Hi All, BPHS says: raktashyamo divaadhIsho.... for Sun. what is raktashyama? rakta is blood...which is supposed to be red - but what would be shyama added to that - bla ck? or does raktashyama mean blood-like? for Simha rasi, it says: paanduH ... which is pale / pale-white, i guess. Sharat, the 2 colors you ask are for Sun and Leo (red etc. and pale white, respectively). Best Regards, SS  --- In sohamsa , " Shyam V Srivatsa " <shyam.srivatsa wrote: > > Dear Bipin, > Sorry- I was quoting Sarvartha Chintamani- where Sun is refered to as 'deharaktha shyamanvithaha'. The sloka in BPHS only refers to His eyes as yellow. As an idiot trying to gain knowledge from books, I can only quote what I have read.. Could you tell me your so urce - is it from a parampara ? I am always willing to learn. > > Regards > > Shyam > > > > ----- Start Original Message ----- > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:26:45 +0200 > Bipin Prag bipinprag > To: sohamsa > Re: Colour assoicated with Surya > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave > Dear Shyam > Mars is Red, but Sun is Orange-Red > Regards > Bipin > > 2009/3/13 Sharat Misra gidoc > > Om Gurave Namaha| > > Dear Shyam, > > Is not Red for Mangal(Mars)? > > Best wishes > Sharat > > > > On 13 Mar 2009, at 12:52, Shyam V Srivatsa wrote: > > > BPHS attributes the colour RED. > > > > Regards, > > > > Shyam > > > > ----- Start Original Message ----- > > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:51:38 +0000 > > Sharat Misra gidoc > > To: < a href= " sohamsa " target= " _blank " style= " color: rgb(30, 102, 174); " >sohamsa > > Colour assoicated with Surya > > > >> > >> Om Gurave Namaha|| > > > > I have a doubt over the colour associated with surya(sun). I > recollect > > this being off white( like khaki) but doubt was raised, that it > should > > be orange. > > Any thoughts on this are much appreciated. > > Regar ds > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > ----- End Original Message ----- > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Bipin, Namaskar. Did you read what I cited from the dictionary? How different do you see that dark-red and copper-red are from each other? Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti Bipin Prag skrev: Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave Dear Visti and SS Namaste We have now established that according to parampara the actual colour for Sun is Maroon (alternatively = Dark Red)  My question still remains... under what circumstances do we use copper as colour for Sun.  Incidentally, ive read that copper is often used as a remedy for Vastu dosha for East direction, but im not sure if this is exclusively for Vastu. I agree, brushing up on some sanskrit is definately on the todo list.  Best Wishes Bipin 2009/3/14 Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Bipin, Namaskar. Thanks for the reference. Always double check the sanskrit - I always do and then you learn much more. Heres the Sanskrit sloka which SS found: तामà¥à¤°à¤¶à¥à¤•à¥à¤²à¤°à¤¤à¤¹à¤°à¤¿à¤¤à¥à¤ªà¥€à¤¤à¤šà¤¿à¤¤à¥à¤°à¤¾à¤¸à¤¿à¤¤à¤¾ रवेः वरà¥à¤£à¤¾ वऽवà¥à¤¯à¤¹à¤¹à¤°à¥€à¤¨à¥à¤¦à¥à¤°à¤¾ शचीकौधिपारवेः। tÄmraÅ›uklarataharitpÄ«tacitrÄsitÄ raveḥ vará¹‡Ä va'vyahaharÄ«ndrÄ Å›acÄ«kaudhipÄraveḥ| Indeed the word: taamra has been used to describe the Suns colour or Varna. Hereunder I have copied the output from the MW dictionary for the word taamra, which I believe should satisfy our doubt:  mf(%{A})n. ( %{tam} Un2.) of a coppery red colour VS. xvi (Naigh. iii , 7) MBh. & c. (%{tAmrA@tvac} , the 4th of the 7 membranes with which an embryo is covered Sus3r. iii , 4 , 2) mf(%{I})n. made of copper R. iii , 21 , 17 Sus3r. Mn.vi , 53/54 BhavP. m. a kind of leprosy with large red spots , Karmavip. copper Kaus3. Mn. & c. a coppery receptacle MBh. ii , 61 , 29 a red kind of Abrus ib. a kind of pepper L. N. of a daughter of Daksha (one of the wives of Kas3yapa and mother of various birds) MBh. i , 2620 Hariv. R. iii BhP. vi , 6 , 25 ff. VP. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com Bipin Prag skrev: Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave Dear Visti Namaste Thanks for clarifying the parampara understanding on this. Chapter 55 is entitled 'Delineation of Horoscopy' and the context is that this part of the chapter expands on the basics of Jyotish including descriptions of planets, signs etc - please see file attached Verses 12-13 - english translation (Motilal version) 'The Houses immediately following the Kendras are termed Panaphara; and those following the latter, Apoklima.  The colours of the 12 Rasis beginning with Aries are in order....1) Red, 2) White, 3) Green, 4) Pink, 5) Brown, 6) Grey, 7) Variegated, 8) Black, 9) Yellow, 10) Saffron, 11) Deep Brown, 12) Bright" Im not sure if the Chapter title could refer to Prasna - I doubt it but could be wrong.  Sweeji has cautioned that there are some errors in Motilal edition - not sure if there are any here. Having said this ive managed to find the sanskrit version (links below) in case you would like to verify the sanskrit and advise us. Best wishes Bipin http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/puranas/narada_purana_purva.pdf  2009/3/14 Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Bipin and Sharat, Namaskar. As per Parashara Sun is Dark-Red complexion and its sign is off-white or khakis. The same is taught in the tradition, naturally. Other colours maybe associated with the grahas for different purposes, i.e. when we speak of complexions the reference to Dark-red is given. So Bipin, do give us the sloka from Narada Purana and the context wherein its given? Normally copper metal is associated with Sun and Mars also. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com Bipin Prag skrev: Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave Dear SS & Sharat Namaste We often find what we percieve as conflicting meanings/references from different texts on the same topic.  I just quoted the one reference from Narad Purana as an alternative to proposed by Parashara.  It is for this reason we need Guru and Parampara to guide us in reconciling all these subtle differences.  My only assumption is that the various colours for Surya as we have discovered are to used for different applications.  Lets wait for some more clarity from the Seniors. Best Wishes Bipin 2009/3/14 Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> Om Gurave Namaha|| Dear Bipin, As learned from this tradition, this is the colour scheme I know of about rasi: Aries = Red Taurus = White Gemini = Green Cancer = Pink Leo = Off White/khaki Virgo = Grey Libra = Black Scorpio = Bright yellow Sagittarius = Golden Capricorn = Blue Aquarius = Purple Pisces = Sea blue or transparent Regards Sharat On 13 Mar 2009, at 20:26, Bipin Prag wrote: Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave Dear Swee Namaste With reference to colours of the signs, Narada Purana indicates the following (Ch55,12-13) Aries = Red Taurus = White Gemini = Green Cancer = Pink Leo = Brown Virgo = Grey Libra = Variegated Scorpio = Black Sagittarius = Yellow Capricorn = Saffron Aquarius = Deep B rown Pisces = Bright My dilemma is, how do we reconcile Parashara as quoted by SS with the purana, Pale white is far from Brown??  Best Wishes Bipin 2009/3/13 Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak > Hi All, BPHS says: raktashyamo divaadhIsho.... for Sun. what is raktashyama? rakta is blood...which is supposed to be red - but what would be shyama added to that - bla ck? or does raktashyama mean blood-like? for Simha rasi, it says: paanduH ... which is pale / pale-white, i guess. Sharat, the 2 colors you ask are for Sun and Leo (red etc. and pale white, respectively). Best Regards, SS  --- In sohamsa , "Shyam V Srivatsa" <shyam.srivatsa wrote: > > Dear Bipin, > Sorry- I was quoting Sarvartha Chintamani- where Sun is refered to as 'deharaktha shyamanvithaha'. The sloka in BPHS only refers to His eyes as yellow. As an idiot trying to gain knowledge from books, I can only quote what I have read.. Could you tell me your so urce - is it from a parampara ? I am always willing to learn. > > Regards > > Shyam > > > > ----- Start Original Message ----- > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:26:45 +0200 > Bipin Prag bipinprag > To: sohamsa > Re: Colour assoicated with Surya > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave > Dear Shyam > Mars is Red, but Sun is Orange-Red > Regards > Bipin > > 2009/3/13 Sharat Misra gidoc > > Om Gurave Namaha| > > Dear Shyam, > > Is not Red for Mangal(Mars)? > > Best wishes > Sharat > > > > On 13 Mar 2009, at 12:52, Shyam V Srivatsa wrote: > > > BPHS attributes the colour RED. > > > > Regards, > > > > Shyam > > > > ----- Start Original Message ----- > > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:51:38 +0000 > > Sharat Misra gidoc > > To: < a href="sohamsa " target="_blank" style="color: rgb(30, 102, 174);">sohamsa > > Colour assoicated with Surya > > > >> > >> Om Gurave Namaha|| > > > > I have a doubt over the colour associated with surya(sun). I > recollect > > this being off white( like khaki) but doubt was raised, that it > should > > be orange. > > Any thoughts on this are much appreciated. > > Regar ds > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > ----- End Original Message ----- > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Om Namo Bhagavate ParamguraveDear VistiNamasteI was trying to reconcile Coppery Red per MW definition you cited to Maroon,  as my problem was visualising these two colours as the same.    I will try and search for pic per MW (4th of the 7 membranes with which an embryo is covered)  A great idea for anyone publishing future books is to show a colour palette for the various planets and signs.  Thanks for your time in following this upBest WishesBipin.2009/3/14 Visti Larsen <visti हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Bipin, Namaskar. Did you read what I cited from the dictionary? How different do you see that dark-red and copper-red are from each other? Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti Bipin Prag skrev: Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave Dear Visti and SS Namaste We have now established that according to parampara the actual colour for Sun is Maroon (alternatively = Dark Red)  My question still remains... under what circumstances do we use copper as colour for Sun.  Incidentally, ive read that copper is often used as a remedy for Vastu dosha for East direction, but im not sure if this is exclusively for Vastu. I agree, brushing up on some sanskrit is definately on the todo list.  Best Wishes Bipin 2009/3/14 Visti Larsen <visti हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Bipin, Namaskar. Thanks for the reference. Always double check the sanskrit - I always do and then you learn much more. Heres the Sanskrit sloka which SS found: तामà¥à¤°à¤¶à¥à¤•à¥à¤²à¤°à¤¤à¤¹à¤°à¤¿à¤¤à¥à¤ªà¥€à¤¤à¤šà¤¿à¤¤à¥à¤°à¤¾à¤¸à¤¿à¤¤à¤¾ रवेः वरà¥à¤£à¤¾ वऽवà¥à¤¯à¤¹à¤¹à¤°à¥€à¤¨à¥à¤¦à¥à¤°à¤¾ शचीकौधिपारवेः। tÄmraÅ›uklarataharitpÄ«tacitrÄsitÄ raveḥ vará¹‡Ä va'vyahaharÄ«ndrÄ Å›acÄ«kaudhipÄraveḥ| Indeed the word: taamra has been used to describe the Suns colour or Varna. Hereunder I have copied the output from the MW dictionary for the word taamra, which I believe should satisfy our doubt:  mf(%{A})n. ( %{tam} Un2.) of a coppery red colour VS. xvi (Naigh. iii , 7) MBh. & c. (%{tAmrA@tvac} , the 4th of the 7 membranes with which an embryo is covered Sus3r. iii , 4 , 2) mf(%{I})n. made of copper R. iii , 21 , 17 Sus3r. Mn.vi , 53/54 BhavP. m. a kind of leprosy with large red spots , Karmavip. copper Kaus3. Mn. & c. a coppery receptacle MBh. ii , 61 , 29 a red kind of Abrus ib. a kind of pepper L. N. of a daughter of Daksha (one of the wives of Kas3yapa and mother of various birds) MBh. i , 2620 Hariv. R. iii BhP. vi , 6 , 25 ff. VP. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti Bipin Prag skrev: Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave Dear Visti Namaste Thanks for clarifying the parampara understanding on this. Chapter 55 is entitled 'Delineation of Horoscopy' and the context is that this part of the chapter expands on the basics of Jyotish including descriptions of planets, signs etc - please see file attached Verses 12-13 - english translation (Motilal version) 'The Houses immediately following the Kendras are termed Panaphara; and those following the latter, Apoklima.  The colours of the 12 Rasis beginning with Aries are in order....1) Red, 2) White, 3) Green, 4) Pink, 5) Brown, 6) Grey, 7) Variegated, 8) Black, 9) Yellow, 10) Saffron, 11) Deep Brown, 12) Bright " Im not sure if the Chapter title could refer to Prasna - I doubt it but could be wrong.  Sweeji has cautioned that there are some errors in Motilal edition - not sure if there are any here. Having said this ive managed to find the sanskrit version (links below) in case you would like to verify the sanskrit and advise us. Best wishes Bipin http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/puranas/narada_purana_purva.pdf  2009/3/14 Visti Larsen <visti हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Bipin and Sharat, Namaskar. As per Parashara Sun is Dark-Red complexion and its sign is off-white or khakis. The same is taught in the tradition, naturally. Other colours maybe associated with the grahas for different purposes, i.e. when we speak of complexions the reference to Dark-red is given. So Bipin, do give us the sloka from Narada Purana and the context wherein its given? Normally copper metal is associated with Sun and Mars also. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti Bipin Prag skrev: Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave Dear SS & Sharat Namaste We often find what we percieve as conflicting meanings/references from different texts on the same topic.  I just quoted the one reference from Narad Purana as an alternative to proposed by Parashara.  It is for this reason we need Guru and Parampara to guide us in reconciling all these subtle differences.  My only assumption is that the various colours for Surya as we have discovered are to used for different applications.  Lets wait for some more clarity from the Seniors. Best Wishes Bipin 2009/3/14 Sharat Misra <gidoc Om Gurave Namaha|| Dear Bipin, As learned from this tradition, this is the colour scheme I know of about rasi: Aries = Red Taurus = White Gemini = Green Cancer = Pink Leo = Off White/khaki Virgo = Grey Libra = Black Scorpio = Bright yellow Sagittarius = Golden Capricorn = Blue Aquarius = Purple Pisces = Sea blue or transparent Regards Sharat On 13 Mar 2009, at 20:26, Bipin Prag wrote: Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave Dear Swee Namaste With reference to colours of the signs, Narada Purana indicates the following (Ch55,12-13) Aries = Red Taurus = White Gemini = Green Cancer = Pink Leo = Brown Virgo = Grey Libra = Variegated Scorpio = Black Sagittarius = Yellow Capricorn = Saffron Aquarius = Deep B rown Pisces = Bright My dilemma is, how do we reconcile Parashara as quoted by SS with the purana, Pale white is far from Brown??  Best Wishes Bipin 2009/3/13 Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak Hi All, BPHS says: raktashyamo divaadhIsho.... for Sun. what is raktashyama? rakta is blood...which is supposed to be red - but what would be shyama added to that - bla ck? or does raktashyama mean blood-like? for Simha rasi, it says: paanduH ... which is pale / pale-white, i guess. Sharat, the 2 colors you ask are for Sun and Leo (red etc. and pale white, respectively). Best Regards, SS  --- In sohamsa , " Shyam V Srivatsa " <shyam.srivatsa wrote: > > Dear Bipin, > Sorry- I was quoting Sarvartha Chintamani- where Sun is refered to as 'deharaktha shyamanvithaha'. The sloka in BPHS only refers to His eyes as yellow. As an idiot trying to gain knowledge from books, I can only quote what I have read.. Could you tell me your so urce - is it from a parampara ? I am always willing to learn. > > Regards > > Shyam > > > > ----- Start Original Message ----- > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:26:45 +0200 > Bipin Prag bipinprag > To: sohamsa > Re: Colour assoicated with Surya > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave > Dear Shyam > Mars is Red, but Sun is Orange-Red > Regards > Bipin > > 2009/3/13 Sharat Misra gidoc > > Om Gurave Namaha| > > Dear Shyam, > > Is not Red for Mangal(Mars)? > > Best wishes > Sharat > > > > On 13 Mar 2009, at 12:52, Shyam V Srivatsa wrote: > > > BPHS attributes the colour RED. > > > > Regards, > > > > Shyam > > > > ----- Start Original Message ----- > > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:51:38 +0000 > > Sharat Misra gidoc > > To: < a href= " sohamsa " target= " _blank " style= " color: rgb(30, 102, 174); " >sohamsa > > Colour assoicated with Surya > > > >> > >> Om Gurave Namaha|| > > > > I have a doubt over the colour associated with surya(sun). I > recollect > > this being off white( like khaki) but doubt was raised, that it > should > > be orange. > > Any thoughts on this are much appreciated. > > Regar ds > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > ----- End Original Message ----- > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Jaya JagannathaDear SS and Bipin,NamasteInterestingly, high copper content in chalcopyrite borders on the dark brown streaks. The darker the colour, the higher the content of copper. However, the highest is malachite, which is green in colour. If there is no oxidation involved, then the colour is blue.Aruna has a pinkish hue. More silver mixed with gold gives the pinkish hue. For those who do not know this, gold is extracted from copper.love,SweeOn 14 Mar 2009, at 16:29, Soul Sadhak wrote:may be: when Sun is infirst half of rasi - tamra - coppersecond half of rasi - aruna - redas in ..... namas tamraya cha arunaya cha...ok, dismiss this if you dont like it. someone said orange-red for Sun. Doesnt copper give reddish-orangish-brownish tinge - all at the same time?--- In sohamsa , Bipin Prag <bipinprag wrote:>> Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave> Dear Visti> Namaste> > I was trying to reconcile Coppery Red per MW definition you cited to Maroon,> as my problem was visualising these two colours as the same.> > I will try and search for pic per MW (4th of the 7 membranes with which an> embryo is covered) A great idea for anyone publishing future books is to> show a colour palette for the various planets and signs.> > Thanks for your time in following this up> Best Wishes> > Bipin.> > > > 2009/3/14 Visti Larsen <visti> > > à ¤¹à ¤°à ¥‡ à ¤°à ¤¾à ¤® à ¤•à ¥ƒà ¤·à ¥Âà ¤£> > Dear Bipin, Namaskar.> > Did you read what I cited from the dictionary? How different do you see> > that dark-red and copper-red are from each other?> >> > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen> > ----------> > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer)> > www: www: http://srigaruda.com> > @: visti >> > Bipin Prag skrev:> >> > Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave> >> > Dear Visti and SS> > Namaste> >> > We have now established that according to parampara the actual colour for> > Sun is Maroon (alternatively = Dark Red)> >> > My question still remains... under what circumstances do we use copper as> > colour for Sun. Incidentally, ive read that copper is often used as a> > remedy for Vastu dosha for East direction, but im not sure if this is> > exclusively for Vastu.> >> > I agree, brushing up on some sanskrit is definately on the todo list.> >> > Best Wishes> >> > Bipin> >> > 2009/3/14 Visti Larsen <visti> >> >> à ¤¹à ¤°à ¥‡ à ¤°à ¤¾à ¤® à ¤•à ¥ƒà ¤·à ¥Âà ¤£> >> Dear Bipin, Namaskar.> >> Thanks for the reference. Always double check the sanskrit - I always do> >> and then you learn much more.> >> Heres the Sanskrit sloka which SS found:> >> à ¤¤à ¤¾à ¤®à ¥Âà ¤°à ¤¶à ¥Âà ¤•à ¥Âà ¤²à ¤°à ¤¤à ¤¹à ¤°à ¤¿à ¤¤à ¥Âà ¤ªà ¥€à ¤¤à ¤šà ¤¿à ¤¤à ¥Âà ¤°à ¤¾à ¤¸à ¤¿à ¤¤à ¤¾ à ¤°à ¤µà ¥‡à ¤ƒ> >> à ¤µà ¤°à ¥Âà ¤£à ¤¾ à ¤µà ¤½à ¤µà ¥Âà ¤¯à ¤¹à ¤¹à ¤°à ¥€à ¤¨à ¥Âà ¤¦à ¥Âà ¤°à ¤¾ à ¤¶à ¤šà ¥€à ¤•à ¥Œà ¤§à ¤¿à ¤ªà ¤¾à ¤°à ¤µà ¥‡à ¤ƒà ¥¤> >> tÄÂmraÅ›uklarataharitpÄ«tacitrÄÂsitÄ raveḥ> >> varṇĠva'vyahaharÄ«ndrÄ Å›acÄ«kaudhipÄÂraveḥ|> >>> >> Indeed the word: taamra has been used to describe the Suns colour or> >> Varna.> >> Hereunder I have copied the output from the MW dictionary for the word> >> taamra, which I believe should satisfy our doubt:> >>> >> - mf(%{A})n. ( %{tam} Un2.) of a *coppery red colour* VS. xvi (Naigh.> >> iii , 7) MBh. & c. (%{tAmrA@tvac} , the 4th of the 7 membranes with> >> which an embryo is covered Sus3r. iii , 4 , 2)> >> - mf(%{I})n. made of copper R. iii , 21 , 17 Sus3r. Mn.vi , 53/54> >> BhavP.> >> - m. a kind of leprosy with large red spots , Karmavip.> >> - copper Kaus3. Mn. & c.> >> - a coppery receptacle MBh. ii , 61 , 29> >> - a red kind of Abrus ib.> >> - a kind of pepper L.> >> - N. of a daughter of Daksha (one of the wives of Kas3yapa and mother> >> of various birds) MBh. i , 2620 Hariv. R. iii BhP. vi , 6 , 25 ff. VP.> >>> >>> >> Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen> >> ----------> >> Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer)> >> www: www: http://srigaruda.com> >> @: visti >>> >> Bipin Prag skrev:> >>> >> Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave> >>> >> Dear Visti> >> Namaste> >>> >> Thanks for clarifying the parampara understanding on this.> >>> >> Chapter 55 is entitled 'Delineation of Horoscopy' and the context is> >> that this part of the chapter expands on the basics of Jyotish including> >> descriptions of planets, signs etc - please see file attached> >>> >> Verses 12-13 - english translation (Motilal version)> >> 'The Houses immediately following the Kendras are termed Panaphara; and> >> those following the latter, Apoklima. The colours of the 12 Rasis beginning> >> with Aries are in order....1) Red, 2) White, 3) Green, 4) Pink, 5) Brown,> >> 6) Grey, 7) Variegated, 8) Black, 9) Yellow, 10) Saffron, 11) Deep Brown,> >> 12) Bright"> >>> >> Im not sure if the Chapter title could refer to Prasna - I doubt it but> >> could be wrong. Sweeji has cautioned that there are some errors in Motilal> >> edition - not sure if there are any here. Having said this ive managed to> >> find the sanskrit version (links below) in case you would like to verify the> >> sanskrit and advise us.> >>> >> Best wishes> >>> >> Bipin> >>> >> http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/puranas/narada_purana_purva.pdf> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> 2009/3/14 Visti Larsen <visti> >>> >>> à ¤¹à ¤°à ¥‡ à ¤°à ¤¾à ¤® à ¤•à ¥ƒà ¤·à ¥Âà ¤£> >>> Dear Bipin and Sharat, Namaskar.> >>> As per Parashara Sun is Dark-Red *complexion *and its sign is off-white> >>> or khakis. The same is taught in the tradition, naturally.> >>> Other colours maybe associated with the grahas for different purposes,> >>> i.e. when we speak of complexions the reference to Dark-red is given.> >>> So Bipin, do give us the sloka from Narada Purana and the context wherein> >>> its given? Normally copper metal is associated with Sun and Mars also.> >>> Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen> >>> ----------> >>> Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer)> >>> www: www: http://srigaruda.com> >>> @: visti >>>> >>> Bipin Prag skrev:> >>>> >>> Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave> >>>> >>> Dear SS & Sharat> >>> Namaste> >>>> >>> We often find what we percieve as conflicting meanings/references from> >>> different texts on the same topic. I just quoted the one reference from> >>> Narad Purana as an alternative to proposed by Parashara. It is for this> >>> reason we need Guru and Parampara to guide us in reconciling all these> >>> subtle differences. My only assumption is that the various colours for> >>> Surya as we have discovered are to used for different applications. Lets> >>> wait for some more clarity from the Seniors.> >>>> >>> Best Wishes> >>>> >>> Bipin> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> 2009/3/14 Sharat Misra <gidoc> >>>> >>>> Om Gurave Namaha||> >>>>> >>>> Dear Bipin,> >>>> As learned from this tradition, this is the colour scheme I know of> >>>> about rasi:> >>>>> >>>> Aries = Red> >>>> Taurus = White> >>>> Gemini = Green> >>>> Cancer = Pink> >>>> Leo = Off White/khaki> >>>> Virgo = Grey> >>>> Libra = Black> >>>> Scorpio = Bright yellow> >>>> Sagittarius = Golden> >>>> Capricorn = Blue> >>>> Aquarius = Purple> >>>> Pisces = Sea blue or transparent> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Regards> >>>> Sharat> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> On 13 Mar 2009, at 20:26, Bipin Prag wrote:> >>>>> >>>> Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave> >>>>> >>>> Dear Swee> >>>> Namaste> >>>>> >>>> With reference to colours of the signs, Narada Purana indicates the> >>>> following (Ch55,12-13)> >>>>> >>>> Aries = Red> >>>> Taurus = White> >>>> Gemini = Green> >>>> Cancer = Pink> >>>> Leo = Brown> >>>> Virgo = Grey> >>>> Libra = Variegated> >>>> Scorpio = Black> >>>> Sagittarius = Yellow> >>>> Capricorn = Saffron> >>>> Aquarius = Deep B rown> >>>> Pisces = Bright> >>>>> >>>> My dilemma is, how do we reconcile Parashara as quoted by SS with the> >>>> purana, Pale white is far from Brown??> >>>>> >>>> Best Wishes> >>>>> >>>> Bipin> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> 2009/3/13 Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Hi All,> >>>>>> >>>>> BPHS says:> >>>>>> >>>>> *raktashyamo divaadhIsho.... *for Sun.> >>>>>> >>>>> what is raktashyama? rakta is blood...which is supposed to be red - but> >>>>> what would be shyama added to that - bla ck?> >>>>>> >>>>> or does raktashyama mean blood-like?> >>>>>> >>>>> for Simha rasi, it says: *paanduH* ... which is pale / pale-white, i> >>>>> guess.> >>>>>> >>>>> Sharat, the 2 colors you ask are for Sun and Leo (red etc. and pale> >>>>> white, respectively).> >>>>>> >>>>> Best Regards,> >>>>>> >>>>> SS> >>>>>> >>>>> **> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> --- In sohamsa , "Shyam V Srivatsa" <shyam.srivatsa@>> >>>>> wrote:> >>>>> >> >>>>> > Dear Bipin,> >>>>> > Sorry- I was quoting Sarvartha Chintamani- where Sun is refered to> >>>>> as 'deharaktha shyamanvithaha'. The sloka in BPHS only refers to His eyes as> >>>>> yellow. As an idiot trying to gain knowledge from books, I can only quote> >>>>> what I have read.. Could you tell me your so urce - is it from a parampara ?> >>>>> I am always willing to learn.> >>>>> >> >>>>> > Regards> >>>>> >> >>>>> > Shyam> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > ----- Start Original Message -----> >>>>> > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:26:45 +0200> >>>>> > Bipin Prag bipinprag@> >>>>> > To: sohamsa > >>>>> > Re: Colour assoicated with Surya> >>>>> >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave> >>>>> > Dear Shyam> >>>>> > Mars is Red, but Sun is Orange-Red> >>>>> > Regards> >>>>> > Bipin> >>>>> >> >>>>> > 2009/3/13 Sharat Misra gidoc@> >>>>> >> >>>>> > Om Gurave Namaha|> >>>>> >> >>>>> > Dear Shyam,> >>>>> >> >>>>> > Is not Red for Mangal(Mars)?> >>>>> >> >>>>> > Best wishes> >>>>> > Sharat> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > On 13 Mar 2009, at 12:52, Shyam V Srivatsa wrote:> >>>>> >> >>>>> > > BPHS attributes the colour RED.> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > Regards,> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > Shyam> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > ----- Start Original Message -----> >>>>> > > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:51:38 +0000> >>>>> > > Sharat Misra gidoc@> >>>>>> >>>>> > > < a href="sohamsa " target="_blank"> >>>>> style="color: rgb(30, 102, 174);">sohamsa > >>>>> > > Colour assoicated with Surya> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >> Om Gurave Namaha||> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > I have a doubt over the colour associated with surya(sun). I> >>>>> > recollect> >>>>> > > this being off white( like khaki) but doubt was raised, that it> >>>>> > should> >>>>> > > be orange.> >>>>> > > Any thoughts on this are much appreciated.> >>>>> > > Regar ds> >>>>> > > Sharat> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > ----- End Original Message -----> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > ---> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Jaya JagannathaDear SS and Bipin,NamasteInterestingly, high copper content in chalcopyrite borders on the dark brown streaks. The darker the colour, the higher the content of copper. However, the highest is malachite, which is green in colour. If there is no oxidation involved, then the colour is blue.Aruna has a pinkish hue and is associated with the sign Cancer. More silver mixed with gold gives the pinkish hue. For those who do not know this, gold is extracted from copper.love,SweeOn 14 Mar 2009, at 16:29, Soul Sadhak wrote:may be: when Sun is infirst half of rasi - tamra - coppersecond half of rasi - aruna - redas in ..... namas tamraya cha arunaya cha...ok, dismiss this if you dont like it. someone said orange-red for Sun. Doesnt copper give reddish-orangish-brownish tinge - all at the same time?--- In sohamsa , Bipin Prag <bipinprag wrote:>> Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave> Dear Visti> Namaste> > I was trying to reconcile Coppery Red per MW definition you cited to Maroon,> as my problem was visualising these two colours as the same.> > I will try and search for pic per MW (4th of the 7 membranes with which an> embryo is covered) A great idea for anyone publishing future books is to> show a colour palette for the various planets and signs.> > Thanks for your time in following this up> Best Wishes> > Bipin.> > > > 2009/3/14 Visti Larsen <visti> > > à ¤¹à ¤°à ¥‡ à ¤°à ¤¾à ¤® à ¤•à ¥ƒà ¤·à ¥Âà ¤£> > Dear Bipin, Namaskar.> > Did you read what I cited from the dictionary? How different do you see> > that dark-red and copper-red are from each other?> >> > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen> > ----------> > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer)> > www: www: http://srigaruda.com> > @: visti >> > Bipin Prag skrev:> >> > Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave> >> > Dear Visti and SS> > Namaste> >> > We have now established that according to parampara the actual colour for> > Sun is Maroon (alternatively = Dark Red)> >> > My question still remains... under what circumstances do we use copper as> > colour for Sun. Incidentally, ive read that copper is often used as a> > remedy for Vastu dosha for East direction, but im not sure if this is> > exclusively for Vastu.> >> > I agree, brushing up on some sanskrit is definately on the todo list.> >> > Best Wishes> >> > Bipin> >> > 2009/3/14 Visti Larsen <visti> >> >> à ¤¹à ¤°à ¥‡ à ¤°à ¤¾à ¤® à ¤•à ¥ƒà ¤·à ¥Âà ¤£> >> Dear Bipin, Namaskar.> >> Thanks for the reference. Always double check the sanskrit - I always do> >> and then you learn much more.> >> Heres the Sanskrit sloka which SS found:> >> à ¤¤à ¤¾à ¤®à ¥Âà ¤°à ¤¶à ¥Âà ¤•à ¥Âà ¤²à ¤°à ¤¤à ¤¹à ¤°à ¤¿à ¤¤à ¥Âà ¤ªà ¥€à ¤¤à ¤šà ¤¿à ¤¤à ¥Âà ¤°à ¤¾à ¤¸à ¤¿à ¤¤à ¤¾ à ¤°à ¤µà ¥‡à ¤ƒ> >> à ¤µà ¤°à ¥Âà ¤£à ¤¾ à ¤µà ¤½à ¤µà ¥Âà ¤¯à ¤¹à ¤¹à ¤°à ¥€à ¤¨à ¥Âà ¤¦à ¥Âà ¤°à ¤¾ à ¤¶à ¤šà ¥€à ¤•à ¥Œà ¤§à ¤¿à ¤ªà ¤¾à ¤°à ¤µà ¥‡à ¤ƒà ¥¤> >> tÄÂmraÅ›uklarataharitpÄ«tacitrÄÂsitÄ raveḥ> >> varṇĠva'vyahaharÄ«ndrÄ Å›acÄ«kaudhipÄÂraveḥ|> >>> >> Indeed the word: taamra has been used to describe the Suns colour or> >> Varna.> >> Hereunder I have copied the output from the MW dictionary for the word> >> taamra, which I believe should satisfy our doubt:> >>> >> - mf(%{A})n. ( %{tam} Un2.) of a *coppery red colour* VS. xvi (Naigh.> >> iii , 7) MBh. & c. (%{tAmrA@tvac} , the 4th of the 7 membranes with> >> which an embryo is covered Sus3r. iii , 4 , 2)> >> - mf(%{I})n. made of copper R. iii , 21 , 17 Sus3r. Mn.vi , 53/54> >> BhavP.> >> - m. a kind of leprosy with large red spots , Karmavip.> >> - copper Kaus3. Mn. & c.> >> - a coppery receptacle MBh. ii , 61 , 29> >> - a red kind of Abrus ib.> >> - a kind of pepper L.> >> - N. of a daughter of Daksha (one of the wives of Kas3yapa and mother> >> of various birds) MBh. i , 2620 Hariv. R. iii BhP. vi , 6 , 25 ff. VP.> >>> >>> >> Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen> >> ----------> >> Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer)> >> www: www: http://srigaruda.com> >> @: visti >>> >> Bipin Prag skrev:> >>> >> Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave> >>> >> Dear Visti> >> Namaste> >>> >> Thanks for clarifying the parampara understanding on this.> >>> >> Chapter 55 is entitled 'Delineation of Horoscopy' and the context is> >> that this part of the chapter expands on the basics of Jyotish including> >> descriptions of planets, signs etc - please see file attached> >>> >> Verses 12-13 - english translation (Motilal version)> >> 'The Houses immediately following the Kendras are termed Panaphara; and> >> those following the latter, Apoklima. The colours of the 12 Rasis beginning> >> with Aries are in order....1) Red, 2) White, 3) Green, 4) Pink, 5) Brown,> >> 6) Grey, 7) Variegated, 8) Black, 9) Yellow, 10) Saffron, 11) Deep Brown,> >> 12) Bright"> >>> >> Im not sure if the Chapter title could refer to Prasna - I doubt it but> >> could be wrong. Sweeji has cautioned that there are some errors in Motilal> >> edition - not sure if there are any here. Having said this ive managed to> >> find the sanskrit version (links below) in case you would like to verify the> >> sanskrit and advise us.> >>> >> Best wishes> >>> >> Bipin> >>> >> http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/puranas/narada_purana_purva.pdf> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> 2009/3/14 Visti Larsen <visti> >>> >>> à ¤¹à ¤°à ¥‡ à ¤°à ¤¾à ¤® à ¤•à ¥ƒà ¤·à ¥Âà ¤£> >>> Dear Bipin and Sharat, Namaskar.> >>> As per Parashara Sun is Dark-Red *complexion *and its sign is off-white> >>> or khakis. The same is taught in the tradition, naturally.> >>> Other colours maybe associated with the grahas for different purposes,> >>> i.e. when we speak of complexions the reference to Dark-red is given.> >>> So Bipin, do give us the sloka from Narada Purana and the context wherein> >>> its given? Normally copper metal is associated with Sun and Mars also.> >>> Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen> >>> ----------> >>> Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer)> >>> www: www: http://srigaruda.com> >>> @: visti >>>> >>> Bipin Prag skrev:> >>>> >>> Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave> >>>> >>> Dear SS & Sharat> >>> Namaste> >>>> >>> We often find what we percieve as conflicting meanings/references from> >>> different texts on the same topic. I just quoted the one reference from> >>> Narad Purana as an alternative to proposed by Parashara. It is for this> >>> reason we need Guru and Parampara to guide us in reconciling all these> >>> subtle differences. My only assumption is that the various colours for> >>> Surya as we have discovered are to used for different applications. Lets> >>> wait for some more clarity from the Seniors.> >>>> >>> Best Wishes> >>>> >>> Bipin> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> 2009/3/14 Sharat Misra <gidoc> >>>> >>>> Om Gurave Namaha||> >>>>> >>>> Dear Bipin,> >>>> As learned from this tradition, this is the colour scheme I know of> >>>> about rasi:> >>>>> >>>> Aries = Red> >>>> Taurus = White> >>>> Gemini = Green> >>>> Cancer = Pink> >>>> Leo = Off White/khaki> >>>> Virgo = Grey> >>>> Libra = Black> >>>> Scorpio = Bright yellow> >>>> Sagittarius = Golden> >>>> Capricorn = Blue> >>>> Aquarius = Purple> >>>> Pisces = Sea blue or transparent> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Regards> >>>> Sharat> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> On 13 Mar 2009, at 20:26, Bipin Prag wrote:> >>>>> >>>> Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave> >>>>> >>>> Dear Swee> >>>> Namaste> >>>>> >>>> With reference to colours of the signs, Narada Purana indicates the> >>>> following (Ch55,12-13)> >>>>> >>>> Aries = Red> >>>> Taurus = White> >>>> Gemini = Green> >>>> Cancer = Pink> >>>> Leo = Brown> >>>> Virgo = Grey> >>>> Libra = Variegated> >>>> Scorpio = Black> >>>> Sagittarius = Yellow> >>>> Capricorn = Saffron> >>>> Aquarius = Deep B rown> >>>> Pisces = Bright> >>>>> >>>> My dilemma is, how do we reconcile Parashara as quoted by SS with the> >>>> purana, Pale white is far from Brown??> >>>>> >>>> Best Wishes> >>>>> >>>> Bipin> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> 2009/3/13 Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Hi All,> >>>>>> >>>>> BPHS says:> >>>>>> >>>>> *raktashyamo divaadhIsho.... *for Sun.> >>>>>> >>>>> what is raktashyama? rakta is blood...which is supposed to be red - but> >>>>> what would be shyama added to that - bla ck?> >>>>>> >>>>> or does raktashyama mean blood-like?> >>>>>> >>>>> for Simha rasi, it says: *paanduH* ... which is pale / pale-white, i> >>>>> guess.> >>>>>> >>>>> Sharat, the 2 colors you ask are for Sun and Leo (red etc. and pale> >>>>> white, respectively).> >>>>>> >>>>> Best Regards,> >>>>>> >>>>> SS> >>>>>> >>>>> **> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> --- In sohamsa , "Shyam V Srivatsa" <shyam.srivatsa@>> >>>>> wrote:> >>>>> >> >>>>> > Dear Bipin,> >>>>> > Sorry- I was quoting Sarvartha Chintamani- where Sun is refered to> >>>>> as 'deharaktha shyamanvithaha'. The sloka in BPHS only refers to His eyes as> >>>>> yellow. As an idiot trying to gain knowledge from books, I can only quote> >>>>> what I have read.. Could you tell me your so urce - is it from a parampara ?> >>>>> I am always willing to learn.> >>>>> >> >>>>> > Regards> >>>>> >> >>>>> > Shyam> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > ----- Start Original Message -----> >>>>> > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:26:45 +0200> >>>>> > Bipin Prag bipinprag@> >>>>> > To: sohamsa > >>>>> > Re: Colour assoicated with Surya> >>>>> >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave> >>>>> > Dear Shyam> >>>>> > Mars is Red, but Sun is Orange-Red> >>>>> > Regards> >>>>> > Bipin> >>>>> >> >>>>> > 2009/3/13 Sharat Misra gidoc@> >>>>> >> >>>>> > Om Gurave Namaha|> >>>>> >> >>>>> > Dear Shyam,> >>>>> >> >>>>> > Is not Red for Mangal(Mars)?> >>>>> >> >>>>> > Best wishes> >>>>> > Sharat> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > On 13 Mar 2009, at 12:52, Shyam V Srivatsa wrote:> >>>>> >> >>>>> > > BPHS attributes the colour RED.> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > Regards,> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > Shyam> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > ----- Start Original Message -----> >>>>> > > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:51:38 +0000> >>>>> > > Sharat Misra gidoc@> >>>>>> >>>>> > > < a href="sohamsa " target="_blank"> >>>>> style="color: rgb(30, 102, 174);">sohamsa > >>>>> > > Colour assoicated with Surya> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >> Om Gurave Namaha||> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > I have a doubt over the colour associated with surya(sun). I> >>>>> > recollect> >>>>> > > this being off white( like khaki) but doubt was raised, that it> >>>>> > should> >>>>> > > be orange.> >>>>> > > Any thoughts on this are much appreciated.> >>>>> > > Regar ds> >>>>> > > Sharat> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > ----- End Original Message -----> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > ---> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Om Namo Bhagavate ParamguraveDear SSNamasteYou may be onto something, so please do share your ramblings. Your analogy can be practically linked to the daylight hours of the Sun. We often apply the various energies of the Sun to Vastu where the maximum morning light has to enter the home by keeping the East Sector open. The ultraviolet rays at Sunrise are more benefical than the harmful infrared rays of Sunset. Would it be too far-fetched to link Coppery Red to Sunrise and Dark Red to Sunset. Could someone please correct me linking 1st half of rasi to sunrise and second half of rasi to sunset as I may be completely off the track here. I know that we can divide all the signs into night and day. BTW, I had said Orange-Red, but Maroon threw me completely off because of blue that needs to be added to get this colour, heading me into another direction. Incidentally, according to Wikipedia, Maroon is described as Dark Brownish Red. This is now as clear as mud. Best Wishes Bipin 2009/3/14 Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak may be: when Sun is in first half of rasi - tamra - copper second half of rasi - aruna - red as in ..... namas tamraya cha arunaya cha... ok, dismiss this if you dont like it. someone said orange-red for Sun. Doesnt copper give reddish-orangish-brownish tinge - all at the same time? sohamsa , Bipin Prag <bipinprag wrote: > > Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave > Dear Visti > Namaste > > I was trying to reconcile Coppery Red per MW definition you cited to Maroon, > as my problem was visualising these two colours as the same. > > I will try and search for pic per MW (4th of the 7 membranes with which an > embryo is covered) A great idea for anyone publishing future books is to > show a colour palette for the various planets and signs. > > Thanks for your time in following this up > Best Wishes > > Bipin. > > > > 2009/3/14 Visti Larsen <visti > > > हरे राम कृषॠण > > Dear Bipin, Namaskar. > > Did you read what I cited from the dictionary? How different do you see > > that dark-red and copper-red are from each other? > > > > Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > > ---------- > > Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > > www: www: http://srigaruda.com > > @: visti > > > > Bipin Prag skrev: > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave > > > > Dear Visti and SS > > Namaste > > > > We have now established that according to parampara the actual colour for > > Sun is Maroon (alternatively = Dark Red) > > > > My question still remains... under what circumstances do we use copper as > > colour for Sun. Incidentally, ive read that copper is often used as a > > remedy for Vastu dosha for East direction, but im not sure if this is > > exclusively for Vastu. > > > > I agree, brushing up on some sanskrit is definately on the todo list. > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Bipin > > > > 2009/3/14 Visti Larsen <visti > > > >> हरे राम कृषॠण > >> Dear Bipin, Namaskar. > >> Thanks for the reference. Always double check the sanskrit - I always do > >> and then you learn much more. > >> Heres the Sanskrit sloka which SS found: > >> तामॠरशॠकॠलरतहरितॠपीतचितॠरासिता रवेः > >> वरॠणा वऽवॠयहहरीनॠदॠरा शचीकौधिपारवेः। > >> tÄ mraÅ›uklarataharitpÄ«tacitrÄ sitÄ raveḥ > >> vará¹‡Ä va'vyahaharÄ«ndrÄ Å›acÄ«kaudhipÄ raveḥ| > >> > >> Indeed the word: taamra has been used to describe the Suns colour or > >> Varna. > >> Hereunder I have copied the output from the MW dictionary for the word > >> taamra, which I believe should satisfy our doubt: > >> > >> - mf(%{A})n. ( %{tam} Un2.) of a *coppery red colour* VS. xvi (Naigh. > >> iii , 7) MBh. & c. (%{tAmrA@tvac} , the 4th of the 7 membranes with > >> which an embryo is covered Sus3r. iii , 4 , 2) > >> - mf(%{I})n. made of copper R. iii , 21 , 17 Sus3r. Mn.vi , 53/54 > >> BhavP. > >> - m. a kind of leprosy with large red spots , Karmavip. > >> - copper Kaus3. Mn. & c. > >> - a coppery receptacle MBh. ii , 61 , 29 > >> - a red kind of Abrus ib. > >> - a kind of pepper L. > >> - N. of a daughter of Daksha (one of the wives of Kas3yapa and mother > >> of various birds) MBh. i , 2620 Hariv. R. iii BhP. vi , 6 , 25 ff. VP. > >> > >> > >> Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > >> ---------- > >> Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > >> www: www: http://srigaruda.com > >> @: visti > >> > >> Bipin Prag skrev: > >> > >> Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave > >> > >> Dear Visti > >> Namaste > >> > >> Thanks for clarifying the parampara understanding on this. > >> > >> Chapter 55 is entitled 'Delineation of Horoscopy' and the context is > >> that this part of the chapter expands on the basics of Jyotish including > >> descriptions of planets, signs etc - please see file attached > >> > >> Verses 12-13 - english translation (Motilal version) > >> 'The Houses immediately following the Kendras are termed Panaphara; and > >> those following the latter, Apoklima. The colours of the 12 Rasis beginning > >> with Aries are in order....1) Red, 2) White, 3) Green, 4) Pink, 5) Brown, > >> 6) Grey, 7) Variegated, 8) Black, 9) Yellow, 10) Saffron, 11) Deep Brown, > >> 12) Bright " > >> > >> Im not sure if the Chapter title could refer to Prasna - I doubt it but > >> could be wrong. Sweeji has cautioned that there are some errors in Motilal > >> edition - not sure if there are any here. Having said this ive managed to > >> find the sanskrit version (links below) in case you would like to verify the > >> sanskrit and advise us. > >> > >> Best wishes > >> > >> Bipin > >> > >> http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/puranas/narada_purana_purva.pdf > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 2009/3/14 Visti Larsen <visti > >> > >>> हरे राम कृषॠण > >>> Dear Bipin and Sharat, Namaskar. > >>> As per Parashara Sun is Dark-Red *complexion *and its sign is off-white > >>> or khakis. The same is taught in the tradition, naturally. > >>> Other colours maybe associated with the grahas for different purposes, > >>> i.e. when we speak of complexions the reference to Dark-red is given. > >>> So Bipin, do give us the sloka from Narada Purana and the context wherein > >>> its given? Normally copper metal is associated with Sun and Mars also. > >>> Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen > >>> ---------- > >>> Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) > >>> www: www: http://srigaruda.com > >>> @: visti > >>> > >>> Bipin Prag skrev: > >>> > >>> Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave > >>> > >>> Dear SS & Sharat > >>> Namaste > >>> > >>> We often find what we percieve as conflicting meanings/references from > >>> different texts on the same topic. I just quoted the one reference from > >>> Narad Purana as an alternative to proposed by Parashara. It is for this > >>> reason we need Guru and Parampara to guide us in reconciling all these > >>> subtle differences. My only assumption is that the various colours for > >>> Surya as we have discovered are to used for different applications. Lets > >>> wait for some more clarity from the Seniors. > >>> > >>> Best Wishes > >>> > >>> Bipin > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> 2009/3/14 Sharat Misra <gidoc > >>> > >>>> Om Gurave Namaha|| > >>>> > >>>> Dear Bipin, > >>>> As learned from this tradition, this is the colour scheme I know of > >>>> about rasi: > >>>> > >>>> Aries = Red > >>>> Taurus = White > >>>> Gemini = Green > >>>> Cancer = Pink > >>>> Leo = Off White/khaki > >>>> Virgo = Grey > >>>> Libra = Black > >>>> Scorpio = Bright yellow > >>>> Sagittarius = Golden > >>>> Capricorn = Blue > >>>> Aquarius = Purple > >>>> Pisces = Sea blue or transparent > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Regards > >>>> Sharat > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 13 Mar 2009, at 20:26, Bipin Prag wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave > >>>> > >>>> Dear Swee > >>>> Namaste > >>>> > >>>> With reference to colours of the signs, Narada Purana indicates the > >>>> following (Ch55,12-13) > >>>> > >>>> Aries = Red > >>>> Taurus = White > >>>> Gemini = Green > >>>> Cancer = Pink > >>>> Leo = Brown > >>>> Virgo = Grey > >>>> Libra = Variegated > >>>> Scorpio = Black > >>>> Sagittarius = Yellow > >>>> Capricorn = Saffron > >>>> Aquarius = Deep B rown > >>>> Pisces = Bright > >>>> > >>>> My dilemma is, how do we reconcile Parashara as quoted by SS with the > >>>> purana, Pale white is far from Brown?? > >>>> > >>>> Best Wishes > >>>> > >>>> Bipin > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 2009/3/13 Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi All, > >>>>> > >>>>> BPHS says: > >>>>> > >>>>> *raktashyamo divaadhIsho.... *for Sun. > >>>>> > >>>>> what is raktashyama? rakta is blood...which is supposed to be red - but > >>>>> what would be shyama added to that - bla ck? > >>>>> > >>>>> or does raktashyama mean blood-like? > >>>>> > >>>>> for Simha rasi, it says: *paanduH* ... which is pale / pale-white, i > >>>>> guess. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sharat, the 2 colors you ask are for Sun and Leo (red etc. and pale > >>>>> white, respectively). > >>>>> > >>>>> Best Regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> SS > >>>>> > >>>>> ** > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> sohamsa , " Shyam V Srivatsa " <shyam.srivatsa@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Dear Bipin, > >>>>> > Sorry- I was quoting Sarvartha Chintamani- where Sun is refered to > >>>>> as 'deharaktha shyamanvithaha'. The sloka in BPHS only refers to His eyes as > >>>>> yellow. As an idiot trying to gain knowledge from books, I can only quote > >>>>> what I have read.. Could you tell me your so urce - is it from a parampara ? > >>>>> I am always willing to learn. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Regards > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Shyam > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > ----- Start Original Message ----- > >>>>> > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:26:45 +0200 > >>>>> > Bipin Prag bipinprag@ > >>>>> > sohamsa > >>>>> > Re: Colour assoicated with Surya > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Paramgurave > >>>>> > Dear Shyam > >>>>> > Mars is Red, but Sun is Orange-Red > >>>>> > Regards > >>>>> > Bipin > >>>>> > > >>>>> > 2009/3/13 Sharat Misra gidoc@ > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Om Gurave Namaha| > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Dear Shyam, > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Is not Red for Mangal(Mars)? > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Best wishes > >>>>> > Sharat > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > On 13 Mar 2009, at 12:52, Shyam V Srivatsa wrote: > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > BPHS attributes the colour RED. > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > Regards, > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > Shyam > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > ----- Start Original Message ----- > >>>>> > > Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:51:38 +0000 > >>>>> > > Sharat Misra gidoc@ > >>>>> > >>>>> > > < a href= " sohamsa " target= " _blank " > >>>>> style= " color: rgb(30, 102, 174); " >sohamsa > >>>>> > > Colour assoicated with Surya > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> Om Gurave Namaha|| > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > I have a doubt over the colour associated with surya(sun). I > >>>>> > recollect > >>>>> > > this being off white( like khaki) but doubt was raised, that it > >>>>> > should > >>>>> > > be orange. > >>>>> > > Any thoughts on this are much appreciated. > >>>>> > > Regar ds > >>>>> > > Sharat > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > ----- End Original Message ----- > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > --- > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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