, Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya and Vinay Jhaaji, please both come to your senses.

July 19, 2009

Daer Bhattacharjyai,

In the chapter on sidhanta period,in Bharitya jyotish, Shankar Balakrishna

Dixit has said that Bhaskaracharya opined that Meru is at dhruvastahan.We all

know that sitting atop meru Barahmaji creates the world.Thus when you say,to

produce the verse on dhruva kalpa and Brahmaji kalpa as being the same, there

seems to be good possibility of it.

It is also said in the Bhagvat that Dhruba had two sons one was vatsar or year

and another was kalpa.Thus there seems to be ample proof that the ayanamsa

chakra is the kalpa of Brahmaji.During the sidhanta period,due to lack of

sufficient knowledge, they had got fantastic figure for the kalpa.It might be

the confusion like the divya varsha and divya din mentioned variously in the

various puranas.We do not know any 36o years cycle in nature.

thank you.

Hari Malla

, " harimalla " <harimalla wrote:

>

> , " harimalla@ " <harimalla@> wrote:

> >

> > DEAR mamoths and ants,

> > If you all do not mind, while the mamoths wrestle and the ants bite,

> > as a diversion,I will take this opportunity to start a discussion with far

reaching effects.perhaps this will distract the mamoths to some extent.

> > I have tried to analyse what is the meaning of divya din, divya varsha,

yugas, manwantar and kalpa.

> > This is my interpretations of the shastriya time keeping.we have three types

of days, the human day, divine day and brahmaji day.they are all realted to the

earth axis.

> >

> > 1.Human day is 24 hours, being daily rotation around the earth axis or the

pole star.

> > 2.Divine day is one year,divided into two by the diameter from winter

solstice to summer solstice i.e. uttaryan to dakhinayan or the line joining the

polestar to the sun.

> > 3.Brahmaji day is 258oo years being the one round of the pole star around

ecliptic pole.

> > I invite the two mamoths to give their opinion on this point I have

raised.when they try to think about this issue perhaps some of their energies

will be properly utilised.The ants may also give their oinions please.I thank

you all, if you help to discuss this idea.

> > Regards,

> > Hari Malla

> >

> > > > , " gopi_b927 " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks4calling younger brother Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I was(am)not speechless by HER grace but silent since it is my

> > > > > nature.What can i do when my post seem to be

> > > > > edited/moderated/censored!!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Any way first of all there is no rope 4me.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > >

> > > > > gopi.

> > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " jyotish_vani@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When everything comes to a standstill, Gopi-ji and we are at the

> > > end

> > > > > of a rope as the expression goes, there is only one option that

> > > > remains!

> > > > > Giving up! And that is when SHE comes gushing to collect your pieces

> > > > all

> > > > > of which belong to HER really and since DIVINITY is genderless,,

> > > > > exclusively to HER I suppose!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That was what my younger brother was trying to say I am sure --

> > > but

> > > > > went speechless as you may have noticed!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " gopi_b927 " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > who is the panchayat here ants like you?.........when 2

> > > elephants

> > > > > are at

> > > > > > > logerheads what can the ants do?Iam also leaving the answer to

> > > the

> > > > > > > giants because i am helpless(like many).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am just unable to understand with my little brain what does it

> > > > > > > serve?Does it serve GOD?again i have my own little doubts.....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even if it is proved that one of them is right, what does it

> > > > > > > mean.......GOD KNOWS!!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > REGARDS,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > > <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Dada,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual

> > > ways!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time

> > > to

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from

> > > > > BVRaman's

> > > > > > > astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...!) trying

> > > to:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may

> > > > > pronounce

> > > > > > > a judgment in our cyber-village?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will

> > > leave

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the

> > > blanks!

> > > > > Just

> > > > > > > as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful,

> > > > > healthwise by

> > > > > > > doctors)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something

> > > like

> > > > > that?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhul chook leni deni!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > > sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > To all,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana

> > > > gives

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle =

> > > > > 2700

> > > > > > > Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> > > > > > > > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he

> > > is

> > > > > > > avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He

> > > is

> > > > > citing

> > > > > > > verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka

> > > > and

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up

> > > > some

> > > > > > > wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > > > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr

> > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > bhattacharjya!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > To All :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha

> > > > was

> > > > > > > equal

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and

> > > > > refuses

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him

> > > > verses

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he

> > > > > hibernated

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed

> > > with

> > > > > new

> > > > > > > lies

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and

> > > I

> > > > > sent

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive

> > > liar,

> > > > > after

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods,

> > > > > feigning

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me

> > > > " an

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince

> > > > > everyone

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly,

> > > > and

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > haughty to admit his errors.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana,

> > > which

> > > > > says

> > > > > > > :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa

> > > chaiva-asuradvishaa

> > > > > > > m " (Amsha- vi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya

> > > > day-night

> > > > > /

> > > > > > > (and)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

> > > > > > > (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one

> > > > > chaturyuga.. . "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word

> > > > because

> > > > > Mr

> > > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear

> > > > > verdict

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my "

> > > invention

> > > > !

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from

> > > > Mahabharata

> > > > > > > (khanda

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means

> > > > days

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17

> > > > says

> > > > > > > " Daive

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah ,

> > > > > ahastatrodagayanam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee

> > > > > varsham "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here

> > > > > varsha is

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from

> > > preceding

> > > > > two

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is

> > > > divided

> > > > > thus

> > > > > > > :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine

> > > > night " .

> > > > > MBh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year :

> > > see

> > > > > verse

> > > > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

> > > > > > > maanushalaukika

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (but not in devaloka). "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

> > > > > > > Jyotisha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Siddhantas :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar

> > > > years

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa

> > > of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000

> > > > and

> > > > > > > Earth's

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in

> > > > > Suryasiddhanta,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day

> > > count

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of

> > > Suryasiddhanta)

> > > > .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

> > > > > > > Mahabharata

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which

> > > 4320000

> > > > > normal

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see

> > > > verses

> > > > > 5-6)

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i,

> > > > verse

> > > > > > > 10).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta-

> > > > siddhaanta

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and

> > > not

> > > > > > > 43200000

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts.

> > > > His

> > > > > > > stand

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta,

> > > > > Aryabhatiya

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana,

> > > Vishnu

> > > > > > > Dharmottara

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga

> > > is

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000

> > > > divine

> > > > > > > years.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar "

> > > > years

> > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse

> > > > > direction

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > 360

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one

> > > divya

> > > > > year

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie,

> > > Mahayuga).

> > > > > > > Exactly

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3,

> > > > > verses

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga

> > > have

> > > > > > > lengths

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of

> > > > yugas

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration

> > > of

> > > > > > > Satyuga

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya "

> > > > > years

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the

> > > sequence

> > > > of

> > > > > > > four

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even

> > > > > schoolboys do

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

> > > > > > > drinking,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken

> > > > > daily.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all

> > > > > brothers.

> > > > > > > Then

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted

> > > > > several

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig

> > > Veda

> > > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact

> > > verse

> > > > > where

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he

> > > missed

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all

> > > > 49

> > > > > > > Marutas

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be

> > > > humans,

> > > > > > > born

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic

> > > > > times,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why

> > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ?

> > > Rgveda

> > > > > never

> > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He

> > > should

> > > > > cite

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures

> > > > without

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > goblet

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic

> > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should

> > > keep

> > > > > away

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are

> > > > > needed

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every

> > > fool

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > pose

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of

> > > context.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after

> > > > which

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > went

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences,

> > > > but

> > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing

> > > > that

> > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this

> > > > > connection,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also

> > > > > cited

> > > > > > > verses

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > from Matsya Purana :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <<<

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A

> > > > > century of

> > > > > > > men

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years

> > > > make

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

> > > > > > > Thousand

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in

> > > > > Verses18-19 of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Linga Purana cited below)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien.

> > > Let

> > > > > us

> > > > > > > agree

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu

> > > > > purana

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (57.17) " .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that

> > > > > Divyavarsha

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask

> > > > him

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as

> > > > > shown

> > > > > > > below,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada

> > > Purana,

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more

> > > > details

> > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24,

> > > > > ch-5)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst

> > > > half

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > verse-25, ch-5)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two

> > > ayanas

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans)

> > > > which

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is

> > > " divasa "

> > > > > while

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu

> > > Purana,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB

> > > > > says it

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to

> > > him,

> > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is

> > > > defined

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara

> > > > and

> > > > > > > dakshina

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > make one year

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates

> > > various

> > > > > types

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

> > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say

> > > > one

> > > > > > > human

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is

> > > > said

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > " 30

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language

> > > is

> > > > > copy

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya

> > > > > samvatsara " .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya

> > > > Purana

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much

> > > > (poorva-bhaaga

> > > > > > > said by

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vaayu) :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas,

> > > > > verse

> > > > > > > 61-62

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are

> > > in

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu

> > > :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined

> > > > on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the

> > > > measure

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > year

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun

> > > divides

> > > > > day

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and

> > > year

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly

> > > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya

> > > > > varsha to

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact

> > > > > replica

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage

> > > > Pulastya

> > > > > :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Verse-7 says :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day

> > > (of

> > > > > > > gods) "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one

> > > chaturyuga.

> > > > > Verses

> > > > > > > 15-

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya

> > > > (suraadinaam)

> > > > > > > varshas

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the

> > > > > ratio is

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 852000 divya varshas =

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha "

> > > > > (verse

> > > > > > > 15-16) ;

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage

> > > Shaunaka

> > > > > says

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as

> > > > day

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra

> > > of

> > > > > gods.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans

> > > are

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Varsha of Gods "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam "

> > > ,

> > > > > ie,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very

> > > > divya

> > > > > > > year

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (of 360 human years) "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane

> > > > > chaahanee

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

> > > > > > > dakshinaayana

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are

> > > > > called

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (maanusha-loka) .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified

> > > his

> > > > > > > abusive

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one

> > > > falsehood

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There

> > > are

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal

> > > to

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > solar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil

> > > > makes

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > mess

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due

> > > to

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > lack

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in

> > > > > indological

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts

> > > > posing

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ============ ========= == ===

> > > > > > > > >

July 19, 2009

Dear Bhattacharjyaji,

Namaskar!The figures you have provided are a product of the sidhantic jyotish

period and not vedic.During the Bhagvat Gita period vedanga jyotish was in

vogue.At that time they had the concept of the five year yuga.It is on this

jyotish background that shri Krishna talks of 1000 yugas make one kalpa in the

Bhagvat gita.Thus from this concept, it becomes only 5ooo years for one kalpa.

We should also consider the yugas as satya, treta, dwapar and kali as the

distinct epochs of Kalki, Ram, Krishna and Buddha.Can you imagine them to be of

43 lakh years span.Human history is said to be of about 6ooo years, and human

civilistion of 1o,ooo years,when they had agriculture.

You should also remember that Indra tells Rohit to go on moving as satya is

equal to act of walking, treta of standing, dwapar of sitting and kali of lying

down.When one person can do it in the above postures, and if one were to believe

of taking about 43 lakhs years to do that, it would appear senseless.Thus our

sidhanta astronomers must have been only using symbolic figures, not to be

relied upon from literal point of view.For example, there is no natural cycle of

36o years as divya varsha of which Vinay Jhaaji has quoted many puranas, with

one human year as dvya din.

Thus many of these figures are only symbolic not to be taken in the literal

sense.Only the parokshya meanings from them are to be derived.

I have also said how Dhruvasthan is meru from where Brahmaji starts creation, as

mentioned by Bhaskaracharya too. Also Dhruva had two sons one was Vatsar and

another was kalpa as ert thre Bhagvat purana.Thus since it is dhruva point which

forms the precession cycle,we have little choice not to say that is the

precessional cycle or ayanamsa cycle of 258oo years.

Regards,

HAri Malla

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Shri Harimallaji,

>

> One Mahayuga is 12000 years and one kalpa is 1000 mahayugas ie. 12 million

years.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> SKB

>

> --- On Sat, 7/18/09, harimalla <harimalla wrote:

>

> harimalla <harimalla

> Re: , Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya and Vinay Jhaaji, please

both come to your senses.

>

> Saturday, July 18, 2009, 10:44 PM

>

> Daer Bhattacharjyai,

> In the chapter on sidhanta period,in Bharitya jyotish, Shankar Balakrishna

Dixit has said that Bhaskaracharya opined that Meru is at dhruvastahan. We all

know that sitting atop meru Barahmaji creates the world.Thus when you say,to

produce the verse on dhruva kalpa and Brahmaji kalpa as being the same, there

seems to be good possibility of it.

> It is also said in the Bhagvat that Dhruba had two sons one was vatsar or year

and another was kalpa.Thus there seems to be ample proof that the ayanamsa

chakra is the kalpa of Brahmaji.During the sidhanta period,due to lack of

sufficient knowledge, they had got fantastic figure for the kalpa.It might be

the confusion like the divya varsha and divya din mentioned variously in the

various puranas.We do not know any 36o years cycle in nature.

> thank you.

> Hari Malla

>

> , " harimalla@ .. " <harimalla@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > , " harimalla@ " <harimalla@> wrote:

> > >

> > > DEAR mamoths and ants,

> > > If you all do not mind, while the mamoths wrestle and the ants bite,

> > > as a diversion,I will take this opportunity to start a discussion with far

reaching effects.perhaps this will distract the mamoths to some extent.

> > > I have tried to analyse what is the meaning of divya din, divya varsha,

yugas, manwantar and kalpa.

> > > This is my interpretations of the shastriya time keeping.we have three

types of days, the human day, divine day and brahmaji day.they are all realted

to the earth axis.

> > >

> > > 1.Human day is 24 hours, being daily rotation around the earth axis or the

pole star.

> > > 2.Divine day is one year,divided into two by the diameter from winter

solstice to summer solstice i.e. uttaryan to dakhinayan or the line joining the

polestar to the sun.

> > > 3.Brahmaji day is 258oo years being the one round of the pole star around

ecliptic pole.

> > > I invite the two mamoths to give their opinion on this point I have

raised.when they try to think about this issue perhaps some of their energies

will be properly utilised.The ants may also give their oinions please.I thank

you all, if you help to discuss this idea.

> > > Regards,

> > > Hari Malla

> > >

> > > > > , " gopi_b927 " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks4calling younger brother Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was(am)not speechless by HER grace but silent since it is my

> > > > > > nature.What can i do when my post seem to be

> > > > > > edited/moderated/ censored! !!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any way first of all there is no rope 4me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When everything comes to a standstill, Gopi-ji and we are at the

> > > > end

> > > > > > of a rope as the expression goes, there is only one option that

> > > > > remains!

> > > > > > Giving up! And that is when SHE comes gushing to collect your pieces

> > > > > all

> > > > > > of which belong to HER really and since DIVINITY is genderless,,

> > > > > > exclusively to HER I suppose!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That was what my younger brother was trying to say I am sure --

> > > > but

> > > > > > went speechless as you may have noticed!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " gopi_b927 " gopi_b927@

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > who is the panchayat here ants like you?........ .when 2

> > > > elephants

> > > > > > are at

> > > > > > > > logerheads what can the ants do?Iam also leaving the answer to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > giants because i am helpless(like many).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am just unable to understand with my little brain what does it

> > > > > > > > serve?Does it serve GOD?again i have my own little doubts.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even if it is proved that one of them is right, what does it

> > > > > > > > mean.......GOD KNOWS!!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > REGARDS,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Dada,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual

> > > > ways!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time

> > > > to

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from

> > > > > > BVRaman's

> > > > > > > > astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...! ) trying

> > > > to:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may

> > > > > > pronounce

> > > > > > > > a judgment in our cyber-village?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will

> > > > leave

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the

> > > > blanks!

> > > > > > Just

> > > > > > > > as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful,

> > > > > > healthwise by

> > > > > > > > doctors)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something

> > > > like

> > > > > > that?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhul chook leni deni!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > > > sunil_bhattacharjya @ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > To all,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana

> > > > > gives

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle =

> > > > > > 2700

> > > > > > > > Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> > > > > > > > > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He

> > > > is

> > > > > > citing

> > > > > > > > verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka

> > > > > and

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > > > > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr

> > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > > bhattacharjya!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > To All :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > equal

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and

> > > > > > refuses

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him

> > > > > verses

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he

> > > > > > hibernated

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed

> > > > with

> > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > lies

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and

> > > > I

> > > > > > sent

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive

> > > > liar,

> > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods,

> > > > > > feigning

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me

> > > > > " an

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince

> > > > > > everyone

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > haughty to admit his errors.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana,

> > > > which

> > > > > > says

> > > > > > > > :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa

> > > > chaiva-asuradvishaa

> > > > > > > > m " (Amsha- vi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya

> > > > > day-night

> > > > > > /

> > > > > > > > (and)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

> > > > > > > > (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one

> > > > > > chaturyuga.. . "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word

> > > > > because

> > > > > > Mr

> > > > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear

> > > > > > verdict

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my "

> > > > invention

> > > > > !

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from

> > > > > Mahabharata

> > > > > > > > (khanda

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means

> > > > > days

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17

> > > > > says

> > > > > > > > " Daive

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah ,

> > > > > > ahastatrodagayanam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee

> > > > > > varsham "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here

> > > > > > varsha is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from

> > > > preceding

> > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is

> > > > > divided

> > > > > > thus

> > > > > > > > :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine

> > > > > night " .

> > > > > > MBh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year :

> > > > see

> > > > > > verse

> > > > > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

> > > > > > > > maanushalaukika

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (but not in devaloka). "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

> > > > > > > > Jyotisha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Siddhantas :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar

> > > > > years

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Earth's

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in

> > > > > > Suryasiddhanta,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day

> > > > count

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of

> > > > Suryasiddhanta)

> > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

> > > > > > > > Mahabharata

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which

> > > > 4320000

> > > > > > normal

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see

> > > > > verses

> > > > > > 5-6)

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i,

> > > > > verse

> > > > > > > > 10).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta-

> > > > > siddhaanta

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > 43200000

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts.

> > > > > His

> > > > > > > > stand

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta,

> > > > > > Aryabhatiya

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana,

> > > > Vishnu

> > > > > > > > Dharmottara

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga

> > > > is

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000

> > > > > divine

> > > > > > > > years.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar "

> > > > > years

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse

> > > > > > direction

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > 360

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one

> > > > divya

> > > > > > year

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie,

> > > > Mahayuga).

> > > > > > > > Exactly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3,

> > > > > > verses

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > lengths

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of

> > > > > yugas

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > Satyuga

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya "

> > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the

> > > > sequence

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > four

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even

> > > > > > schoolboys do

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

> > > > > > > > drinking,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken

> > > > > > daily.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all

> > > > > > brothers.

> > > > > > > > Then

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted

> > > > > > several

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig

> > > > Veda

> > > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact

> > > > verse

> > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he

> > > > missed

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all

> > > > > 49

> > > > > > > > Marutas

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be

> > > > > humans,

> > > > > > > > born

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic

> > > > > > times,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why

> > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ?

> > > > Rgveda

> > > > > > never

> > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He

> > > > should

> > > > > > cite

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures

> > > > > without

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > goblet

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic

> > > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should

> > > > keep

> > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are

> > > > > > needed

> > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every

> > > > fool

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > pose

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of

> > > > context.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after

> > > > > which

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > went

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this

> > > > > > connection,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also

> > > > > > cited

> > > > > > > > verses

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > from Matsya Purana :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <<<

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A

> > > > > > century of

> > > > > > > > men

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years

> > > > > make

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

> > > > > > > > Thousand

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in

> > > > > > Verses18-19 of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Linga Purana cited below)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien.

> > > > Let

> > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > agree

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu

> > > > > > purana

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (57.17) " .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that

> > > > > > Divyavarsha

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask

> > > > > him

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as

> > > > > > shown

> > > > > > > > below,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada

> > > > Purana,

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more

> > > > > details

> > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24,

> > > > > > ch-5)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst

> > > > > half

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > verse-25, ch-5)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two

> > > > ayanas

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans)

> > > > > which

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is

> > > > " divasa "

> > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu

> > > > Purana,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB

> > > > > > says it

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to

> > > > him,

> > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is

> > > > > defined

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > dakshina

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > make one year

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates

> > > > various

> > > > > > types

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

> > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > > human

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is

> > > > > said

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > " 30

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language

> > > > is

> > > > > > copy

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya

> > > > > > samvatsara " .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya

> > > > > Purana

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much

> > > > > (poorva-bhaaga

> > > > > > > > said by

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vaayu) :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas,

> > > > > > verse

> > > > > > > > 61-62

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu

> > > > :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined

> > > > > on

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the

> > > > > measure

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > year

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun

> > > > divides

> > > > > > day

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and

> > > > year

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya

> > > > > > varsha to

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact

> > > > > > replica

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage

> > > > > Pulastya

> > > > > > :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Verse-7 says :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day

> > > > (of

> > > > > > > > gods) "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one

> > > > chaturyuga.

> > > > > > Verses

> > > > > > > > 15-

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya

> > > > > (suraadinaam)

> > > > > > > > varshas

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the

> > > > > > ratio is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 852000 divya varshas =

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha "

> > > > > > (verse

> > > > > > > > 15-16) ;

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage

> > > > Shaunaka

> > > > > > says

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as

> > > > > day

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra

> > > > of

> > > > > > gods.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans

> > > > are

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Varsha of Gods "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam "

> > > > ,

> > > > > > ie,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very

> > > > > divya

> > > > > > > > year

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (of 360 human years) "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane

> > > > > > chaahanee

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

> > > > > > > > dakshinaayana

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are

> > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (maanusha-loka) .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > abusive

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one

> > > > > falsehood

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There

> > > > are

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal

> > > > to

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > solar

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > mess

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due

> > > > to

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > lack

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in

> > > > > > indological

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts

> > > > > posing

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= == ===

> > > > > > > > > >

July 20, 2009

Dear Jhaaji,

Most of the puranas say as you have quoted.But Bhattacharjyaji, says in the Vayu

purana it is different.Since 36o years of divya varsha is not a natural cycle

but only symbolic, that possibility being there,it is difficult for me to

discard without confirming.

Regards,

Hari Malla

vedic astrology , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> In spite of direct and clear references from so many Puranas, siddhantas and

Mahabharata, Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya is sticking to the view that Puranas have

12000 years (solar year according to him) for one Mahayuga, whereas in fact

Puranas say 12000 " divya varshas " per Mahayuga, and define one divya varsha as

360 " maanusha " varsha, the latter being solar according to puranas.

>

> -Vinay jha

> ============================= ==

>

> ________________________________

> Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya

>

> Cc: ; vedic astrology

> Monday, July 20, 2009 4:48:15 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Re: , Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya and

Vinay Jhaaji, please both come to your senses.

>

> Shri Harimallaji,

>

> 1)

>

> quote

>

> The figures you have provided are a product of the sidhantic jyotish

> period and not vedic.

>

> Unquote

>

> No. Not Siddhantic they are puranic, ie. from the fifth Veda.

>

> 2)

>

> To my understanding according to Purana the " Jana-loka " is above " Dhruva-loka "

and " Tapa-loka " is above " Jana-loka " . " Tapa-loka " is the " Deva-loka " . Devas such

as the Vasus do have longer life than human beings and their day-time starts

from the Uttarayana and lasts till the Dakshinayana.

> Bhishma, a Vasu, waited till the onset of the Vasu's day on the

> Uttarayana day, so that he can go to his " Tapa-loka " . That may also be

another reason as to why the month " Tapa " starts from Uttarayana. That is why it

is said that Deva's (Devaanaam) one day and night together is equal to man's

year. My view is that this has nothing to do with the Mahayuga span of 12000

Divya-varsha (Sidereal Solar year). I go by the definition of Divya-varsha as

given in the Vayu-Purana.

>

> As your imaginary views are without any support from Veda or Purana and are

entirely different from mine let us agree to disagree. My request to you is that

you can take up your ideas on the forum on Calendar reform.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya.

>

> --- On Sun, 7/19/09, harimalla@rocketmai l.com <harimalla@rocketmai l.com>

wrote:

>

> harimalla@rocketmai l.com <harimalla@rocketmai l.com>

> Re: , Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya and Vinay Jhaaji, please

both come to your senses.

>

> Sunday, July 19, 2009, 6:22 AM

>

> Dear Bhattacharjyaji,

>

> Namaskar!The figures you have provided are a product of the sidhantic jyotish

period and not vedic.During the Bhagvat Gita period vedanga jyotish was in

vogue.At that time they had the concept of the five year yuga.It is on this

jyotish background that shri Krishna talks of 1000 yugas make one kalpa in the

Bhagvat gita.Thus from this concept, it becomes only 5ooo years for one kalpa.

>

> We should also consider the yugas as satya, treta, dwapar and kali as the

distinct epochs of Kalki, Ram, Krishna and Buddha.Can you imagine them to be of

43 lakh years span.Human history is said to be of about 6ooo years, and human

civilistion of 1o,ooo years,when they had agriculture.

>

> You should also remember that Indra tells Rohit to go on moving as satya is

equal to act of walking, treta of standing, dwapar of sitting and kali of lying

down.When one person can do it in the above postures, and if one were to believe

of taking about 43 lakhs years to do that, it would appear senseless.Thus our

sidhanta astronomers must have been only using symbolic figures, not to be

relied upon from literal point of view.For example, there is no natural cycle of

36o years as divya varsha of which Vinay Jhaaji has quoted many puranas, with

one human year as dvya din.

>

> Thus many of these figures are only symbolic not to be taken in the literal

sense.Only the parokshya meanings from them are to be derived.

>

> I have also said how Dhruvasthan is meru from where Brahmaji starts creation,

as mentioned by Bhaskaracharya too. Also Dhruva had two sons one was Vatsar and

another was kalpa as ert thre Bhagvat purana.Thus since it is dhruva point which

forms the precession cycle,we have little choice not to say that is the

precessional cycle or ayanamsa cycle of 258oo years.

>

> Regards,

>

> HAri Malla

>

> , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy

a wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Shri Harimallaji,

>

> >

>

> > One Mahayuga is 12000 years and one kalpa is 1000 mahayugas ie. 12 million

years.

>

> >

>

> > Sincerely,

>

> >

>

> > SKB

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > --- On Sat, 7/18/09, harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..> wrote:

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..>

>

> > Re: , Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya and Vinay Jhaaji,

please both come to your senses.

>

> >

>

> > Saturday, July 18, 2009, 10:44 PM

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Daer Bhattacharjyai,

>

> > In the chapter on sidhanta period,in Bharitya jyotish, Shankar Balakrishna

Dixit has said that Bhaskaracharya opined that Meru is at dhruvastahan. We all

know that sitting atop meru Barahmaji creates the world.Thus when you say,to

produce the verse on dhruva kalpa and Brahmaji kalpa as being the same, there

seems to be good possibility of it.

>

> > It is also said in the Bhagvat that Dhruba had two sons one was vatsar or

year and another was kalpa.Thus there seems to be ample proof that the ayanamsa

chakra is the kalpa of Brahmaji.During the sidhanta period,due to lack of

sufficient knowledge, they had got fantastic figure for the kalpa.It might be

the confusion like the divya varsha and divya din mentioned variously in the

various puranas.We do not know any 36o years cycle in nature.

>

> > thank you.

>

> > Hari Malla

>

> >

>

> > , " harimalla@ .. " <harimalla@ ..>

wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > , " harimalla@ " <harimalla@> wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > DEAR mamoths and ants,

>

> > > > If you all do not mind, while the mamoths wrestle and the ants bite,

>

> > > > as a diversion,I will take this opportunity to start a discussion with

far reaching effects.perhaps this will distract the mamoths to some extent.

>

> > > > I have tried to analyse what is the meaning of divya din, divya varsha,

yugas, manwantar and kalpa.

>

> > > > This is my interpretations of the shastriya time keeping.we have three

types of days, the human day, divine day and brahmaji day.they are all realted

to the earth axis.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > 1.Human day is 24 hours, being daily rotation around the earth axis or

the pole star.

>

> > > > 2.Divine day is one year,divided into two by the diameter from winter

solstice to summer solstice i.e. uttaryan to dakhinayan or the line joining the

polestar to the sun.

>

> > > > 3.Brahmaji day is 258oo years being the one round of the pole star

around ecliptic pole.

>

> > > > I invite the two mamoths to give their opinion on this point I have

raised.when they try to think about this issue perhaps some of their energies

will be properly utilised.The ants may also give their oinions please.I thank

you all, if you help to discuss this idea.

>

> > > > Regards,

>

> > > > Hari Malla

>

> > > >

>

> > > > > > , " gopi_b927 " gopi_b927@ wrote:

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Thanks4calling younger brother Dear Rohini ji,

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > I was(am)not speechless by HER grace but silent since it is my

>

> > > > > > > nature.What can i do when my post seem to be

>

> > > > > > > edited/moderated/ censored! !!!

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Any way first of all there is no rope 4me.

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > regards

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > gopi.

>

> > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

jyotish_vani@

>

> > > > > > > wrote:

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > When everything comes to a standstill, Gopi-ji and we are at the

>

> > > > > end

>

> > > > > > > of a rope as the expression goes, there is only one option that

>

> > > > > > remains!

>

> > > > > > > Giving up! And that is when SHE comes gushing to collect your

pieces

>

> > > > > > all

>

> > > > > > > of which belong to HER really and since DIVINITY is genderless,,

>

> > > > > > > exclusively to HER I suppose!

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > That was what my younger brother was trying to say I am sure --

>

> > > > > but

>

> > > > > > > went speechless as you may have noticed!

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > RR

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > , " gopi_b927 " gopi_b927@

wrote:

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > who is the panchayat here ants like you?........ .when 2

>

> > > > > elephants

>

> > > > > > > are at

>

> > > > > > > > > logerheads what can the ants do?Iam also leaving the answer to

>

> > > > > the

>

> > > > > > > > > giants because i am helpless(like many).

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > I am just unable to understand with my little brain what does

it

>

> > > > > > > > > serve?Does it serve GOD?again i have my own little doubts.....

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > Even if it is proved that one of them is right, what does it

>

> > > > > > > > > mean.......GOD KNOWS!!!

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > REGARDS,

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > gopi.

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

>

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Dada,

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual

>

> > > > > ways!

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from

time

>

> > > > > to

>

> > > > > > > time

>

> > > > > > > > > and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from

>

> > > > > > > BVRaman's

>

> > > > > > > > > astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...! ) trying

>

> > > > > to:

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may

>

> > > > > > > pronounce

>

> > > > > > > > > a judgment in our cyber-village?

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will

>

> > > > > leave

>

> > > > > > > that

>

> > > > > > > > > unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the

>

> > > > > blanks!

>

> > > > > > > Just

>

> > > > > > > > > as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful,

>

> > > > > > > healthwise by

>

> > > > > > > > > doctors)

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something

>

> > > > > like

>

> > > > > > > that?

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > Bhul chook leni deni!

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > Rohini

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

>

> > > > > > > > > sunil_bhattacharjya @ wrote:

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > To all,

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana

>

> > > > > > gives

>

> > > > > > > the

>

> > > > > > > > > explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle

=

>

> > > > > > > 2700

>

> > > > > > > > > Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse

he

>

> > > > > is

>

> > > > > > > > > avoiding Vayu purana all along.

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He

>

> > > > > is

>

> > > > > > > citing

>

> > > > > > > > > verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to

Devaloka

>

> > > > > > and

>

> > > > > > > not

>

> > > > > > > > > to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up

>

> > > > > > some

>

> > > > > > > > > wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr

>

> > > > > > Sunil

>

> > > > > > > > > bhattacharjya!

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > To All :

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya

varsha

>

> > > > > > was

>

> > > > > > > > > equal

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas,

and

>

> > > > > > > refuses

>

> > > > > > > > > to

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him

>

> > > > > > verses

>

> > > > > > > from

>

> > > > > > > > > all

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he

>

> > > > > > > hibernated

>

> > > > > > > > > for

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed

>

> > > > > with

>

> > > > > > > new

>

> > > > > > > > > lies

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time,

and

>

> > > > > I

>

> > > > > > > sent

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive

>

> > > > > liar,

>

> > > > > > > after

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > which will come again after some time with same

falsehoods,

>

> > > > > > > feigning

>

> > > > > > > > > to

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls

me

>

> > > > > > " an

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will

convince

>

> > > > > > > everyone

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures

wrongly,

>

> > > > > > and

>

> > > > > > > is

>

> > > > > > > > > too

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > haughty to admit his errors.

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana,

>

> > > > > which

>

> > > > > > > says

>

> > > > > > > > > :

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa

>

> > > > > chaiva-asuradvishaa

>

> > > > > > > > > m " (Amsha- vi,

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > chapter-3, verse 10)

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya

>

> > > > > > day-night

>

> > > > > > > /

>

> > > > > > > > > (and)

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

>

> > > > > > > > > (=asuraodvishaam) . "

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one

>

> > > > > > > chaturyuga.. . "

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word

>

> > > > > > because

>

> > > > > > > Mr

>

> > > > > > > > > Sunil

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such

clear

>

> > > > > > > verdict

>

> > > > > > > > > and

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my "

>

> > > > > invention

>

> > > > > > !

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from

>

> > > > > > Mahabharata

>

> > > > > > > > > (khanda

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means

>

> > > > > > days

>

> > > > > > > and

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17

>

> > > > > > says

>

> > > > > > > > > " Daive

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah ,

>

> > > > > > > ahastatrodagayanam

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive

raatryahanee

>

> > > > > > > varsham "

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here

>

> > > > > > > varsha is

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from

>

> > > > > preceding

>

> > > > > > > two

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is

>

> > > > > > divided

>

> > > > > > > thus

>

> > > > > > > > > :

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine

>

> > > > > > night " .

>

> > > > > > > MBh

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year :

>

> > > > > see

>

> > > > > > > verse

>

> > > > > > > > > 15

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

>

> > > > > > > > > maanushalaukika

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > (but not in devaloka). "

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major

ancient

>

> > > > > > > > > Jyotisha

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Siddhantas :

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar

>

> > > > > > years

>

> > > > > > > for

>

> > > > > > > > > a

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of

Dashageetikaa

>

> > > > > of

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is

4320000

>

> > > > > > and

>

> > > > > > > > > Earth's

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in

>

> > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta,

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day

>

> > > > > count

>

> > > > > > > in

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of

>

> > > > > Suryasiddhanta)

>

> > > > > > .

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

>

> > > > > > > > > Mahabharata

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which

>

> > > > > 4320000

>

> > > > > > > normal

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see

>

> > > > > > verses

>

> > > > > > > 5-6)

>

> > > > > > > > > and

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i,

>

> > > > > > verse

>

> > > > > > > > > 10).

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta-

>

> > > > > > siddhaanta

>

> > > > > > > all

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and

>

> > > > > not

>

> > > > > > > > > 43200000

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting

texts.

>

> > > > > > His

>

> > > > > > > > > stand

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta,

>

> > > > > > > Aryabhatiya

>

> > > > > > > > > and

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana,

>

> > > > > Vishnu

>

> > > > > > > > > Dharmottara

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one

mahayuga

>

> > > > > is

>

> > > > > > > of

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000

>

> > > > > > divine

>

> > > > > > > > > years.

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar "

>

> > > > > > years

>

> > > > > > > ?

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse

>

> > > > > > > direction

>

> > > > > > > > > like

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly

say

>

> > > > > > > that

>

> > > > > > > > > 360

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one

>

> > > > > divya

>

> > > > > > > year

>

> > > > > > > > > and

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie,

>

> > > > > Mahayuga).

>

> > > > > > > > > Exactly

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i,

chapter-3,

>

> > > > > > > verses

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga

>

> > > > > have

>

> > > > > > > > > lengths

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of

>

> > > > > > yugas

>

> > > > > > > is

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means

duration

>

> > > > > of

>

> > > > > > > > > Satyuga

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200

" divya "

>

> > > > > > > years

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the

>

> > > > > sequence

>

> > > > > > of

>

> > > > > > > > > four

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even

>

> > > > > > > schoolboys do

>

> > > > > > > > > not

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of

excessive

>

> > > > > > > > > drinking,

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be

taken

>

> > > > > > > daily.

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all

>

> > > > > > > brothers.

>

> > > > > > > > > Then

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted

>

> > > > > > > several

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig

>

> > > > > Veda

>

> > > > > > it

>

> > > > > > > is

>

> > > > > > > > > said

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact

>

> > > > > verse

>

> > > > > > > where

>

> > > > > > > > > it

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he

>

> > > > > missed

>

> > > > > > > the

>

> > > > > > > > > most

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that

" all

>

> > > > > > 49

>

> > > > > > > > > Marutas

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be

>

> > > > > > humans,

>

> > > > > > > > > born

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in

Rgvedic

>

> > > > > > > times,

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why

>

> > > > > > Sunil

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ?

>

> > > > > Rgveda

>

> > > > > > > never

>

> > > > > > > > > said

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He

>

> > > > > should

>

> > > > > > > cite

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures

>

> > > > > > without

>

> > > > > > > a

>

> > > > > > > > > goblet

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple

Puranic

>

> > > > > > > Sanskrit

>

> > > > > > > > > and

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should

>

> > > > > keep

>

> > > > > > > away

>

> > > > > > > > > from

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years

are

>

> > > > > > > needed

>

> > > > > > > > > by

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every

>

> > > > > fool

>

> > > > > > > may

>

> > > > > > > > > pose

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of

>

> > > > > context.

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after

>

> > > > > > which

>

> > > > > > > he

>

> > > > > > > > > went

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > into hibernation because he could not refute the

evidences,

>

> > > > > > but

>

> > > > > > > > > after

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies,

believing

>

> > > > > > that

>

> > > > > > > > > members

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this

>

> > > > > > > connection,

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum

also

>

> > > > > > > cited

>

> > > > > > > > > verses

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > from Matsya Purana :

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > <<<

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A

>

> > > > > > > century of

>

> > > > > > > > > men

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human

years

>

> > > > > > make

>

> > > > > > > one

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make

One

>

> > > > > > > > > Thousand

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in

>

> > > > > > > Verses18-19 of

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Linga Purana cited below)

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien.

>

> > > > > Let

>

> > > > > > > us

>

> > > > > > > > > agree

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of

Vayu

>

> > > > > > > purana

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > (57.17) " .

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that

>

> > > > > > > Divyavarsha

>

> > > > > > > > > is

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar

year. "

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that.

Ask

>

> > > > > > him

>

> > > > > > > to

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas

as

>

> > > > > > > shown

>

> > > > > > > > > below,

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada

>

> > > > > Purana,

>

> > > > > > > which

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more

>

> > > > > > details

>

> > > > > > > > > than

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet "

(verse-24,

>

> > > > > > > ch-5)

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst

>

> > > > > > half

>

> > > > > > > of

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > verse-25, ch-5)

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two

>

> > > > > ayanas

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans)

>

> > > > > > which

>

> > > > > > > is

>

> > > > > > > > > one

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is

>

> > > > > " divasa "

>

> > > > > > > while

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu

>

> > > > > Purana,

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but

SKB

>

> > > > > > > says it

>

> > > > > > > > > is

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to

>

> > > > > him,

>

> > > > > > > hence

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is

>

> > > > > > defined

>

> > > > > > > in

>

> > > > > > > > > same

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas

uttara

>

> > > > > > and

>

> > > > > > > > > dakshina

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > make one year

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of

gods. "

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates

>

> > > > > various

>

> > > > > > > types

>

> > > > > > > > > of

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others,

as

>

> > > > > > > > > different

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which

say

>

> > > > > > one

>

> > > > > > > > > human

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is

>

> > > > > > said

>

> > > > > > > that

>

> > > > > > > > > " 30

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the

language

>

> > > > > is

>

> > > > > > > copy

>

> > > > > > > > > of

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana

:

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya

>

> > > > > > > samvatsara " .

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya

>

> > > > > > Purana

>

> > > > > > > > > about

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much

>

> > > > > > (poorva-bhaaga

>

> > > > > > > > > said by

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Vaayu) :

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya

varshas,

>

> > > > > > > verse

>

> > > > > > > > > 61-62

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details

are

>

> > > > > in

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by

Vayu

>

> > > > > :

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is

defined

>

> > > > > > on

>

> > > > > > > the

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the

>

> > > > > > measure

>

> > > > > > > of

>

> > > > > > > > > year

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun

>

> > > > > divides

>

> > > > > > > day

>

> > > > > > > > > and

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and

>

> > > > > year

>

> > > > > > > are

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha

exactly

>

> > > > > > in

>

> > > > > > > the

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya

>

> > > > > > > varsha to

>

> > > > > > > > > be

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an

exact

>

> > > > > > > replica

>

> > > > > > > > > of

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana.

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage

>

> > > > > > Pulastya

>

> > > > > > > :

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Verse-7 says :

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day

>

> > > > > (of

>

> > > > > > > > > gods) "

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one

>

> > > > > chaturyuga.

>

> > > > > > > Verses

>

> > > > > > > > > 15-

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya

>

> > > > > > (suraadinaam)

>

> > > > > > > > > varshas

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " :

the

>

> > > > > > > ratio is

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > 852000 divya varshas =

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha "

>

> > > > > > > (verse

>

> > > > > > > > > 15-16) ;

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa

/

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

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>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage

>

> > > > > Shaunaka

>

> > > > > > > says

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana

as

>

> > > > > > day

>

> > > > > > > of

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra

>

> > > > > of

>

> > > > > > > gods.

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Then, Verse-15 says :

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans

>

> > > > > are

>

> > > > > > > one

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Varsha of Gods "

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan

aam "

>

> > > > > ,

>

> > > > > > > ie,

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very

>

> > > > > > divya

>

> > > > > > > > > year

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > (of 360 human years) "

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane

>

> > > > > > > chaahanee

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

>

> > > > > > > > > dakshinaayana

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but

are

>

> > > > > > > called

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > (maanusha-loka) .

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified

>

> > > > > his

>

> > > > > > > > > abusive

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one

>

> > > > > > falsehood

>

> > > > > > > to

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There

>

> > > > > are

>

> > > > > > > some

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal

>

> > > > > to

>

> > > > > > > one

>

> > > > > > > > > solar

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr

Sunil

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil

>

> > > > > > makes

>

> > > > > > > a

>

> > > > > > > > > mess

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics

due

>

> > > > > to

>

> > > > > > > his

>

> > > > > > > > > lack

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in

>

> > > > > > > indological

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts

>

> > > > > > posing

>

> > > > > > > as

>

> > > > > > > > > an

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= == ===

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

July 20, 2009

Malla ji,

I have consulted Vayu Purana through the foremost scholar of Allahabad

(Dr Girija Shankar Shastri), Mr Sunil is deliberately trying to reform

the views of our scriptures. Why you do not ask him to quote the

original verses of Vayu Purana if he is right?

Mr Sunil has some others backing him who are abusing me for over six

months just because I carried a long research on comparison of physical

and siddhantic astronomies and found both to be true in their respective

fields : physical world and astrological world (devaloka). Instead of

testing the astrological results of both methods, these chelas of Mr

Chandrahari and Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya want to win a debate by abusing

and banning me unfairly. I have seen and shown ample proofs of their

respect for 'truth'. I have no more time for those who lack guts for

impartial debate and imposed censorship on me unjustly.

-VJ

vedic astrology , " harimalla " <harimalla

wrote:

>

> Dear Jhaaji,

> Most of the puranas say as you have quoted.But Bhattacharjyaji, says

in the Vayu purana it is different.Since 36o years of divya varsha is

not a natural cycle but only symbolic, that possibility being there,it

is difficult for me to discard without confirming.

>

> Regards,

> Hari Malla

> vedic astrology , Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> >

> > In spite of direct and clear references from so many Puranas,

siddhantas and Mahabharata, Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya is sticking to the

view that Puranas have 12000 years (solar year according to him) for one

Mahayuga, whereas in fact Puranas say 12000 " divya varshas " per

Mahayuga, and define one divya varsha as 360 " maanusha " varsha, the

latter being solar according to puranas.

> >

> > -Vinay jha

> > ============================= ==

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya@

> >

> > Cc: ;

vedic astrology

> > Monday, July 20, 2009 4:48:15 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Re: , Mr Sunil

Bhattacharjya and Vinay Jhaaji, please both come to your senses.

> >

> > Shri Harimallaji,

> >

> > 1)

> >

> > quote

> >

> > The figures you have provided are a product of the sidhantic jyotish

> > period and not vedic.

> >

> > Unquote

> >

> > No. Not Siddhantic they are puranic, ie. from the fifth Veda.

> >

> > 2)

> >

> > To my understanding according to Purana the " Jana-loka " is above

" Dhruva-loka " and " Tapa-loka " is above " Jana-loka " . " Tapa-loka " is the

" Deva-loka " . Devas such as the Vasus do have longer life than human

beings and their day-time starts from the Uttarayana and lasts till the

Dakshinayana.

> > Bhishma, a Vasu, waited till the onset of the Vasu's day on the

> > Uttarayana day, so that he can go to his " Tapa-loka " . That may also

be another reason as to why the month " Tapa " starts from Uttarayana.

That is why it is said that Deva's (Devaanaam) one day and night

together is equal to man's year. My view is that this has nothing to do

with the Mahayuga span of 12000 Divya-varsha (Sidereal Solar year). I go

by the definition of Divya-varsha as given in the Vayu-Purana.

> >

> > As your imaginary views are without any support from Veda or Purana

and are entirely different from mine let us agree to disagree. My

request to you is that you can take up your ideas on the forum on

Calendar reform.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya.

> >

> > --- On Sun, 7/19/09, harimalla@rocketmai l.com harimalla@rocketmai

l.com> wrote:

> >

> > harimalla@rocketmai l.com harimalla@rocketmai l.com>

> > Re: , Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya and Vinay

Jhaaji, please both come to your senses.

> >

> > Sunday, July 19, 2009, 6:22 AM

> >

> > Dear Bhattacharjyaji,

> >

> > Namaskar!The figures you have provided are a product of the

sidhantic jyotish period and not vedic.During the Bhagvat Gita period

vedanga jyotish was in vogue.At that time they had the concept of the

five year yuga.It is on this jyotish background that shri Krishna talks

of 1000 yugas make one kalpa in the Bhagvat gita.Thus from this concept,

it becomes only 5ooo years for one kalpa.

> >

> > We should also consider the yugas as satya, treta, dwapar and kali

as the distinct epochs of Kalki, Ram, Krishna and Buddha.Can you imagine

them to be of 43 lakh years span.Human history is said to be of about

6ooo years, and human civilistion of 1o,ooo years,when they had

agriculture.

> >

> > You should also remember that Indra tells Rohit to go on moving as

satya is equal to act of walking, treta of standing, dwapar of sitting

and kali of lying down.When one person can do it in the above postures,

and if one were to believe of taking about 43 lakhs years to do that, it

would appear senseless.Thus our sidhanta astronomers must have been only

using symbolic figures, not to be relied upon from literal point of

view.For example, there is no natural cycle of 36o years as divya varsha

of which Vinay Jhaaji has quoted many puranas, with one human year as

dvya din.

> >

> > Thus many of these figures are only symbolic not to be taken in the

literal sense.Only the parokshya meanings from them are to be derived.

> >

> > I have also said how Dhruvasthan is meru from where Brahmaji starts

creation, as mentioned by Bhaskaracharya too. Also Dhruva had two sons

one was Vatsar and another was kalpa as ert thre Bhagvat purana.Thus

since it is dhruva point which forms the precession cycle,we have

little choice not to say that is the precessional cycle or ayanamsa

cycle of 258oo years.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > HAri Malla

> >

> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Shri Harimallaji,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > One Mahayuga is 12000 years and one kalpa is 1000 mahayugas ie. 12

million years.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Sincerely,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > SKB

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > --- On Sat, 7/18/09, harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..>

> >

> > > Re: , Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya and Vinay

Jhaaji, please both come to your senses.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Saturday, July 18, 2009, 10:44 PM

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Daer Bhattacharjyai,

> >

> > > In the chapter on sidhanta period,in Bharitya jyotish, Shankar

Balakrishna Dixit has said that Bhaskaracharya opined that Meru is at

dhruvastahan. We all know that sitting atop meru Barahmaji creates the

world.Thus when you say,to produce the verse on dhruva kalpa and

Brahmaji kalpa as being the same, there seems to be good possibility of

it.

> >

> > > It is also said in the Bhagvat that Dhruba had two sons one was

vatsar or year and another was kalpa.Thus there seems to be ample proof

that the ayanamsa chakra is the kalpa of Brahmaji.During the sidhanta

period,due to lack of sufficient knowledge, they had got fantastic

figure for the kalpa.It might be the confusion like the divya varsha and

divya din mentioned variously in the various puranas.We do not know any

36o years cycle in nature.

> >

> > > thank you.

> >

> > > Hari Malla

> >

> > >

> >

> > > , " harimalla@ .. " <harimalla@

...> wrote:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > , " harimalla@ " <harimalla@>

wrote:

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > DEAR mamoths and ants,

> >

> > > > > If you all do not mind, while the mamoths wrestle and the ants

bite,

> >

> > > > > as a diversion,I will take this opportunity to start a

discussion with far reaching effects.perhaps this will distract the

mamoths to some extent.

> >

> > > > > I have tried to analyse what is the meaning of divya din,

divya varsha, yugas, manwantar and kalpa.

> >

> > > > > This is my interpretations of the shastriya time keeping.we

have three types of days, the human day, divine day and brahmaji

day.they are all realted to the earth axis.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > 1.Human day is 24 hours, being daily rotation around the earth

axis or the pole star.

> >

> > > > > 2.Divine day is one year,divided into two by the diameter from

winter solstice to summer solstice i.e. uttaryan to dakhinayan or the

line joining the polestar to the sun.

> >

> > > > > 3.Brahmaji day is 258oo years being the one round of the pole

star around ecliptic pole.

> >

> > > > > I invite the two mamoths to give their opinion on this point I

have raised.when they try to think about this issue perhaps some of

their energies will be properly utilised.The ants may also give their

oinions please.I thank you all, if you help to discuss this idea.

> >

> > > > > Regards,

> >

> > > > > Hari Malla

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > , " gopi_b927 "

gopi_b927@ wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > Thanks4calling younger brother Dear Rohini ji,

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > I was(am)not speechless by HER grace but silent since it

is my

> >

> > > > > > > > nature.What can i do when my post seem to be

> >

> > > > > > > > edited/moderated/ censored! !!!

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > Any way first of all there is no rope 4me.

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > regards

> >

> > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > gopi.

> >

> > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

jyotish_vani@

> >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > When everything comes to a standstill, Gopi-ji and we

are at the

> >

> > > > > > end

> >

> > > > > > > > of a rope as the expression goes, there is only one

option that

> >

> > > > > > > remains!

> >

> > > > > > > > Giving up! And that is when SHE comes gushing to collect

your pieces

> >

> > > > > > > all

> >

> > > > > > > > of which belong to HER really and since DIVINITY is

genderless,,

> >

> > > > > > > > exclusively to HER I suppose!

> >

> > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > That was what my younger brother was trying to say I

am sure --

> >

> > > > > > but

> >

> > > > > > > > went speechless as you may have noticed!

> >

> > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > RR

> >

> > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > , " gopi_b927 "

gopi_b927@ wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > who is the panchayat here ants like you?........

..when 2

> >

> > > > > > elephants

> >

> > > > > > > > are at

> >

> > > > > > > > > > logerheads what can the ants do?Iam also leaving the

answer to

> >

> > > > > > the

> >

> > > > > > > > > > giants because i am helpless(like many).

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > I am just unable to understand with my little brain

what does it

> >

> > > > > > > > > > serve?Does it serve GOD?again i have my own little

doubts.....

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Even if it is proved that one of them is right, what

does it

> >

> > > > > > > > > > mean.......GOD KNOWS!!!

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > REGARDS,

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

" Rohiniranjan "

> >

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dada,

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own

individual

> >

> > > > > > ways!

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite

you from time

> >

> > > > > > to

> >

> > > > > > > > time

> >

> > > > > > > > > > and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that

word from

> >

> > > > > > > > BVRaman's

> >

> > > > > > > > > > astrological magazines back when I was a

teenager...! ) trying

> >

> > > > > > to:

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > ? Register a public complaint so that current

PANCHAAYAT may

> >

> > > > > > > > pronounce

> >

> > > > > > > > > > a judgment in our cyber-village?

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ...

(I will

> >

> > > > > > leave

> >

> > > > > > > > that

> >

> > > > > > > > > > unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill

in the

> >

> > > > > > blanks!

> >

> > > > > > > > Just

> >

> > > > > > > > > > as a mental exercise that has been recently found

helpful,

> >

> > > > > > > > healthwise by

> >

> > > > > > > > > > doctors)

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or

something

> >

> > > > > > like

> >

> > > > > > > > that?

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhul chook leni deni!

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rohini

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > , Sunil

Bhattacharjya

> >

> > > > > > > > > > sunil_bhattacharjya @ wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > To all,

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that

Vayu purana

> >

> > > > > > > gives

> >

> > > > > > > > the

> >

> > > > > > > > > > explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One

Saptarshi cycle =

> >

> > > > > > > > 2700

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of

this verse he

> >

> > > > > > is

> >

> > > > > > > > > > avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the

truth? He

> >

> > > > > > is

> >

> > > > > > > > citing

> >

> > > > > > > > > > verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable

to Devaloka

> >

> > > > > > > and

> >

> > > > > > > > not

> >

> > > > > > > > > > to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he

picked up

> >

> > > > > > > some

> >

> > > > > > > > > > wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@

wrote:

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Do Not Cite Scriptures

Falsely, Mr

> >

> > > > > > > Sunil

> >

> > > > > > > > > > bhattacharjya!

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > To All :

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one

divya varsha

> >

> > > > > > > was

> >

> > > > > > > > > > equal

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and

Puranas, and

> >

> > > > > > > > refuses

> >

> > > > > > > > > > to

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I

sent him

> >

> > > > > > > verses

> >

> > > > > > > > from

> >

> > > > > > > > > > all

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > those texts which he was falsely quoting.

Thereafter, he

> >

> > > > > > > > hibernated

> >

> > > > > > > > > > for

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods

again, mixed

> >

> > > > > > with

> >

> > > > > > > > new

> >

> > > > > > > > > > lies

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend

some time, and

> >

> > > > > > I

> >

> > > > > > > > sent

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this

abusive

> >

> > > > > > liar,

> >

> > > > > > > > after

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > which will come again after some time with same

falsehoods,

> >

> > > > > > > > feigning

> >

> > > > > > > > > > to

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And

he calls me

> >

> > > > > > > " an

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which

will convince

> >

> > > > > > > > everyone

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites

scriptures wrongly,

> >

> > > > > > > and

> >

> > > > > > > > is

> >

> > > > > > > > > > too

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > haughty to admit his errors.

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu

Purana,

> >

> > > > > > which

> >

> > > > > > > > says

> >

> > > > > > > > > > :

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu

tat divi

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa

> >

> > > > > > chaiva-asuradvishaa

> >

> > > > > > > > > > m " (Amsha- vi,

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one

divya

> >

> > > > > > > day-night

> >

> > > > > > > > /

> >

> > > > > > > > > > (and)

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of

gods

> >

> > > > > > > > > > (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to

one

> >

> > > > > > > > chaturyuga.. . "

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word

by word

> >

> > > > > > > because

> >

> > > > > > > > Mr

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Sunil

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept

such clear

> >

> > > > > > > > verdict

> >

> > > > > > > > > > and

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as

" my "

> >

> > > > > > invention

> >

> > > > > > > !

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof

from

> >

> > > > > > > Mahabharata

> >

> > > > > > > > > > (khanda

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " ,

which means

> >

> > > > > > > days

> >

> > > > > > > > and

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by

Surya. Verse 17

> >

> > > > > > > says

> >

> > > > > > > > > > " Daive

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah ,

> >

> > > > > > > > ahastatrodagayanam

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive

raatryahanee

> >

> > > > > > > > varsham "

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of

gods " . Here

> >

> > > > > > > > varsha is

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken

from

> >

> > > > > > preceding

> >

> > > > > > > > two

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva

day+night is

> >

> > > > > > > divided

> >

> > > > > > > > thus

> >

> > > > > > > > > > :

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana

is divine

> >

> > > > > > > night " .

> >

> > > > > > > > MBh

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is

solar year :

> >

> > > > > > see

> >

> > > > > > > > verse

> >

> > > > > > > > > > 15

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and

night in

> >

> > > > > > > > > > maanushalaukika

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > (but not in devaloka). "

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all

major ancient

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Jyotisha

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Siddhantas :

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of

4320000 solar

> >

> > > > > > > years

> >

> > > > > > > > for

> >

> > > > > > > > > > a

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of

Dashageetikaa

> >

> > > > > > of

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga

is 4320000

> >

> > > > > > > and

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Earth's

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828

in

> >

> > > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta,

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise

system of day

> >

> > > > > > count

> >

> > > > > > > > in

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of

> >

> > > > > > Suryasiddhanta)

> >

> > > > > > > .

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the

mathematics of

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in

which

> >

> > > > > > 4320000

> >

> > > > > > > > normal

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > solar years of humans are said to make one

mahayuga (see

> >

> > > > > > > verses

> >

> > > > > > > > 5-6)

> >

> > > > > > > > > > and

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa

(BSS, ch-i,

> >

> > > > > > > verse

> >

> > > > > > > > > > 10).

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and

Brahma-sphuta-

> >

> > > > > > > siddhaanta

> >

> > > > > > > > all

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000

years and

> >

> > > > > > not

> >

> > > > > > > > > > 43200000

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by

misquoting texts.

> >

> > > > > > > His

> >

> > > > > > > > > > stand

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > is refuted by all these ancient texts :

Suryasiddhanta,

> >

> > > > > > > > Aryabhatiya

> >

> > > > > > > > > > and

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada

Purana,

> >

> > > > > > Vishnu

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Dharmottara

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that

one mahayuga

> >

> > > > > > is

> >

> > > > > > > > of

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal

to 12000

> >

> > > > > > > divine

> >

> > > > > > > > > > years.

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only

12000 " solar "

> >

> > > > > > > years

> >

> > > > > > > > ?

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures

in reverse

> >

> > > > > > > > direction

> >

> > > > > > > > > > like

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11)

clearly say

> >

> > > > > > > > that

> >

> > > > > > > > > > 360

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are

equal to one

> >

> > > > > > divya

> >

> > > > > > > > year

> >

> > > > > > > > > > and

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga

(ie,

> >

> > > > > > Mahayuga).

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Exactly

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana

(Amsha-i, chapter-3,

> >

> > > > > > > > verses

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a

Chaturyuga

> >

> > > > > > have

> >

> > > > > > > > > > lengths

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The

sequence of

> >

> > > > > > > yugas

> >

> > > > > > > > is

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which

means duration

> >

> > > > > > of

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Satyuga

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga

1200 " divya "

> >

> > > > > > > > years

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts

the

> >

> > > > > > sequence

> >

> > > > > > > of

> >

> > > > > > > > > > four

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800

? Even

> >

> > > > > > > > schoolboys do

> >

> > > > > > > > > > not

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result

of excessive

> >

> > > > > > > > > > drinking,

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > although he says that only two tolas of wine

should be taken

> >

> > > > > > > > daily.

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we

are all

> >

> > > > > > > > brothers.

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Then

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research

and quoted

> >

> > > > > > > > several

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in

the Rig

> >

> > > > > > Veda

> >

> > > > > > > it

> >

> > > > > > > > is

> >

> > > > > > > > > > said

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote

the exact

> >

> > > > > > verse

> >

> > > > > > > > where

> >

> > > > > > > > > > it

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows

that he

> >

> > > > > > missed

> >

> > > > > > > > the

> >

> > > > > > > > > > most

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. "

>>>

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda

said that " all

> >

> > > > > > > 49

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Marutas

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49

Maruts to be

> >

> > > > > > > humans,

> >

> > > > > > > > > > born

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic

cloning in Rgvedic

> >

> > > > > > > > times,

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a

time ! Why

> >

> > > > > > > Sunil

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to

mortals ?

> >

> > > > > > Rgveda

> >

> > > > > > > > never

> >

> > > > > > > > > > said

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is

lying. He

> >

> > > > > > should

> >

> > > > > > > > cite

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > texts honestly and properly, and should read

scriptures

> >

> > > > > > > without

> >

> > > > > > > > a

> >

> > > > > > > > > > goblet

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding

simple Puranic

> >

> > > > > > > > Sanskrit

> >

> > > > > > > > > > and

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > simple english and Hindi translations of the

same should

> >

> > > > > > keep

> >

> > > > > > > > away

> >

> > > > > > > > > > from

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that

12 years are

> >

> > > > > > > > needed

> >

> > > > > > > > > > by

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !!

Now-a-days every

> >

> > > > > > fool

> >

> > > > > > > > may

> >

> > > > > > > > > > pose

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet

out of

> >

> > > > > > context.

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > All above exchanges took place over two months

ago, after

> >

> > > > > > > which

> >

> > > > > > > > he

> >

> > > > > > > > > > went

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > into hibernation because he could not refute the

evidences,

> >

> > > > > > > but

> >

> > > > > > > > > > after

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > two months came up again, repeating his old

lies, believing

> >

> > > > > > > that

> >

> > > > > > > > > > members

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago.

In this

> >

> > > > > > > > connection,

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own

forum also

> >

> > > > > > > > cited

> >

> > > > > > > > > > verses

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > from Matsya Purana :

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > <<<

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for

the Gods. A

> >

> > > > > > > > century of

> >

> > > > > > > > > > men

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360

Human years

> >

> > > > > > > make

> >

> > > > > > > > one

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human

years make One

> >

> > > > > > > > > > Thousand

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly

repeated in

> >

> > > > > > > > Verses18-19 of

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Linga Purana cited below)

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the

trouble takien.

> >

> > > > > > Let

> >

> > > > > > > > us

> >

> > > > > > > > > > agree

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the

definition of Vayu

> >

> > > > > > > > purana

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > (57.17) " .

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana

says that

> >

> > > > > > > > Divyavarsha

> >

> > > > > > > > > > is

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal

Lunar year. "

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever

said that. Ask

> >

> > > > > > > him

> >

> > > > > > > > to

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got

abuses.

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of

Puranas as

> >

> > > > > > > > shown

> >

> > > > > > > > > > below,

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his

faults :

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from

Narada

> >

> > > > > > Purana,

> >

> > > > > > > > which

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha

in more

> >

> > > > > > > details

> >

> > > > > > > > > > than

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet "

(verse-24,

> >

> > > > > > > > ch-5)

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai

dakshinaayanam " (forst

> >

> > > > > > > half

> >

> > > > > > > > of

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > verse-25, ch-5)

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then

says two

> >

> > > > > > ayanas

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year

(of humans)

> >

> > > > > > > which

> >

> > > > > > > > is

> >

> > > > > > > > > > one

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that

uttaraayana is

> >

> > > > > > " divasa "

> >

> > > > > > > > while

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in

Vishnu

> >

> > > > > > Purana,

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya,

etc) , but SKB

> >

> > > > > > > > says it

> >

> > > > > > > > > > is

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is

" vague " to

> >

> > > > > > him,

> >

> > > > > > > > hence

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > it is impossible to convince him what the

Puranas & c say.

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then

" maasa' is

> >

> > > > > > > defined

> >

> > > > > > > > in

> >

> > > > > > > > > > same

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane

dakshinottare

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two

ayanas uttara

> >

> > > > > > > and

> >

> > > > > > > > > > dakshina

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > make one year

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is

day of gods. "

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10)

differentiates

> >

> > > > > > various

> >

> > > > > > > > types

> >

> > > > > > > > > > of

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha,

among others, as

> >

> > > > > > > > > > different

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse

15-16 which say

> >

> > > > > > > one

> >

> > > > > > > > > > human

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next

verse, it is

> >

> > > > > > > said

> >

> > > > > > > > that

> >

> > > > > > > > > > " 30

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " ,

the language

> >

> > > > > > is

> >

> > > > > > > > copy

> >

> > > > > > > > > > of

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by

me earlier

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa

smritah " ).

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of

Matsya Purana :

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani

yaani tu

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena

prakeertitah "

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one

divya

> >

> > > > > > > > samvatsara " .

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses

of matsya

> >

> > > > > > > Purana

> >

> > > > > > > > > > about

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

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> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so

much

> >

> > > > > > > (poorva-bhaaga

> >

> > > > > > > > > > said by

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vaayu) :

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800

divya varshas,

> >

> > > > > > > > verse

> >

> > > > > > > > > > 61-62

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual

details are

> >

> > > > > > in

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga

said by Vayu

> >

> > > > > > :

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha

varsha is defined

> >

> > > > > > > on

> >

> > > > > > > > the

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which

is the

> >

> > > > > > > measure

> >

> > > > > > > > of

> >

> > > > > > > > > > year

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing

that Sun

> >

> > > > > > divides

> >

> > > > > > > > day

> >

> > > > > > > > > > and

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like

month and

> >

> > > > > > year

> >

> > > > > > > > are

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya

varsha exactly

> >

> > > > > > > in

> >

> > > > > > > > the

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly

saying a divya

> >

> > > > > > > > varsha to

> >

> > > > > > > > > > be

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which

is an exact

> >

> > > > > > > > replica

> >

> > > > > > > > > > of

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana.

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words

of Sage

> >

> > > > > > > Pulastya

> >

> > > > > > > > :

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Verse-7 says :

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara

(ayana) is day

> >

> > > > > > (of

> >

> > > > > > > > > > gods) "

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make

one

> >

> > > > > > chaturyuga.

> >

> > > > > > > > Verses

> >

> > > > > > > > > > 15-

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000

divya

> >

> > > > > > > (suraadinaam)

> >

> > > > > > > > > > varshas

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva)

years " : the

> >

> > > > > > > > ratio is

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 852000 divya varshas =

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa-

snritah /

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani-

adhikaanicha "

> >

> > > > > > > > (verse

> >

> > > > > > > > > > 15-16) ;

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah

samkgyayaanrpa /

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani-

mahaamate /

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa

/

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha-

vatsareh / "

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which

Sage

> >

> > > > > > Shaunaka

> >

> > > > > > > > says

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping

Keshava) :

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and

uttara ayana as

> >

> > > > > > > day

> >

> > > > > > > > of

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one

ahoraatra

> >

> > > > > > of

> >

> > > > > > > > gods.

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha

Prithivipate

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api

ganyate "

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years

of humans

> >

> > > > > > are

> >

> > > > > > > > one

> >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Varsha of Gods "

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> >

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> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena

chaturyuga-vikalpan aam "

> >

> > > > > > ,

> >

> > > > > > > > ie,

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in

this very

> >

> > > > > > > divya

> >

> > > > > > > > > > year

> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12

: " ayane

> >

> > > > > > > > chaahanee

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah,

samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas

(uttaraayana and

> >

> > > > > > > > > > dakshinaayana

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of

gods) but are

> >

> > > > > > > > called

> >

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> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of

nrrnaam

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> >

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> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and

intensified

> >

> > > > > > his

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> > > > > > > > > > abusive

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going

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> >

> > > > > > > falsehood

> >

> > > > > > > > to

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> > > > > > > > > > > > another. But ancient texts must be cited

correctly. There

> >

> > > > > > are

> >

> > > > > > > > some

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha

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> >

> > > > > > to

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> > > > > > > > > > solar

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely

like Mr Sunil

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more

acceptable. Mr Sunil

> >

> > > > > > > makes

> >

> > > > > > > > a

> >

> > > > > > > > > > mess

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas

and Epics due

> >

> > > > > > to

> >

> > > > > > > > his

> >

> > > > > > > > > > lack

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper

traning in

> >

> > > > > > > > indological

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly

he starts

> >

> > > > > > > posing

> >

> > > > > > > > as

> >

> > > > > > > > > > an

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

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July 20, 2009

Dear Jhaaji,

What you say may be true.please confirm from other sources too.

But today Bhattacharjyaji has forwarded some information about the yugas, which

I have found useful.It quotes Vayu purana and Bhavishya purana.In Bhavisya

purana it seems to be mentioned about the Brahmavada as 26ooo years and in Vayu

purana mentioning ayanavda as 24ooo years.

What has attractd me is the word Brahmavada which can mean one day of Brahmaji

or one Kalpa as 26ooo years.

I feel parokshya means also physical but in a large sense, whereas aparokshya

means physical in a smaller sense, but they are both physical.For example the

physical world is small, limited to the parts of the earth, whereas the

astorlogical world is big extending to the universe.But they are both parts of

the same whole.The devalok is a bigger world.In fact I am convinced that

Amaravati means the circle of the nakshyatras, which is very big compared to our

solar system and much bigger compares to our samll earth.

Regards,

Hari Malla

vedic astrology , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

> Malla ji,

>

> I have consulted Vayu Purana through the foremost scholar of Allahabad

> (Dr Girija Shankar Shastri), Mr Sunil is deliberately trying to reform

> the views of our scriptures. Why you do not ask him to quote the

> original verses of Vayu Purana if he is right?

>

> Mr Sunil has some others backing him who are abusing me for over six

> months just because I carried a long research on comparison of physical

> and siddhantic astronomies and found both to be true in their respective

> fields : physical world and astrological world (devaloka). Instead of

> testing the astrological results of both methods, these chelas of Mr

> Chandrahari and Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya want to win a debate by abusing

> and banning me unfairly. I have seen and shown ample proofs of their

> respect for 'truth'. I have no more time for those who lack guts for

> impartial debate and imposed censorship on me unjustly.

>

> -VJ

>

> vedic astrology , " harimalla@ " <harimalla@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jhaaji,

> > Most of the puranas say as you have quoted.But Bhattacharjyaji, says

> in the Vayu purana it is different.Since 36o years of divya varsha is

> not a natural cycle but only symbolic, that possibility being there,it

> is difficult for me to discard without confirming.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Hari Malla

> > vedic astrology , Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > >

> > > In spite of direct and clear references from so many Puranas,

> siddhantas and Mahabharata, Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya is sticking to the

> view that Puranas have 12000 years (solar year according to him) for one

> Mahayuga, whereas in fact Puranas say 12000 " divya varshas " per

> Mahayuga, and define one divya varsha as 360 " maanusha " varsha, the

> latter being solar according to puranas.

> > >

> > > -Vinay jha

> > > ============================= ==

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya@

> > >

> > > Cc: ;

> vedic astrology

> > > Monday, July 20, 2009 4:48:15 AM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Re: , Mr Sunil

> Bhattacharjya and Vinay Jhaaji, please both come to your senses.

> > >

> > > Shri Harimallaji,

> > >

> > > 1)

> > >

> > > quote

> > >

> > > The figures you have provided are a product of the sidhantic jyotish

> > > period and not vedic.

> > >

> > > Unquote

> > >

> > > No. Not Siddhantic they are puranic, ie. from the fifth Veda.

> > >

> > > 2)

> > >

> > > To my understanding according to Purana the " Jana-loka " is above

> " Dhruva-loka " and " Tapa-loka " is above " Jana-loka " . " Tapa-loka " is the

> " Deva-loka " . Devas such as the Vasus do have longer life than human

> beings and their day-time starts from the Uttarayana and lasts till the

> Dakshinayana.

> > > Bhishma, a Vasu, waited till the onset of the Vasu's day on the

> > > Uttarayana day, so that he can go to his " Tapa-loka " . That may also

> be another reason as to why the month " Tapa " starts from Uttarayana.

> That is why it is said that Deva's (Devaanaam) one day and night

> together is equal to man's year. My view is that this has nothing to do

> with the Mahayuga span of 12000 Divya-varsha (Sidereal Solar year). I go

> by the definition of Divya-varsha as given in the Vayu-Purana.

> > >

> > > As your imaginary views are without any support from Veda or Purana

> and are entirely different from mine let us agree to disagree. My

> request to you is that you can take up your ideas on the forum on

> Calendar reform.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya.

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 7/19/09, harimalla@rocketmai l.com harimalla@rocketmai

> l.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > harimalla@rocketmai l.com harimalla@rocketmai l.com>

> > > Re: , Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya and Vinay

> Jhaaji, please both come to your senses.

> > >

> > > Sunday, July 19, 2009, 6:22 AM

> > >

> > > Dear Bhattacharjyaji,

> > >

> > > Namaskar!The figures you have provided are a product of the

> sidhantic jyotish period and not vedic.During the Bhagvat Gita period

> vedanga jyotish was in vogue.At that time they had the concept of the

> five year yuga.It is on this jyotish background that shri Krishna talks

> of 1000 yugas make one kalpa in the Bhagvat gita.Thus from this concept,

> it becomes only 5ooo years for one kalpa.

> > >

> > > We should also consider the yugas as satya, treta, dwapar and kali

> as the distinct epochs of Kalki, Ram, Krishna and Buddha.Can you imagine

> them to be of 43 lakh years span.Human history is said to be of about

> 6ooo years, and human civilistion of 1o,ooo years,when they had

> agriculture.

> > >

> > > You should also remember that Indra tells Rohit to go on moving as

> satya is equal to act of walking, treta of standing, dwapar of sitting

> and kali of lying down.When one person can do it in the above postures,

> and if one were to believe of taking about 43 lakhs years to do that, it

> would appear senseless.Thus our sidhanta astronomers must have been only

> using symbolic figures, not to be relied upon from literal point of

> view.For example, there is no natural cycle of 36o years as divya varsha

> of which Vinay Jhaaji has quoted many puranas, with one human year as

> dvya din.

> > >

> > > Thus many of these figures are only symbolic not to be taken in the

> literal sense.Only the parokshya meanings from them are to be derived.

> > >

> > > I have also said how Dhruvasthan is meru from where Brahmaji starts

> creation, as mentioned by Bhaskaracharya too. Also Dhruva had two sons

> one was Vatsar and another was kalpa as ert thre Bhagvat purana.Thus

> since it is dhruva point which forms the precession cycle,we have

> little choice not to say that is the precessional cycle or ayanamsa

> cycle of 258oo years.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > HAri Malla

> > >

> > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Shri Harimallaji,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > One Mahayuga is 12000 years and one kalpa is 1000 mahayugas ie. 12

> million years.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > SKB

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > --- On Sat, 7/18/09, harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > harimalla@ . <harimalla@ ..>

> > >

> > > > Re: , Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya and Vinay

> Jhaaji, please both come to your senses.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Saturday, July 18, 2009, 10:44 PM

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Daer Bhattacharjyai,

> > >

> > > > In the chapter on sidhanta period,in Bharitya jyotish, Shankar

> Balakrishna Dixit has said that Bhaskaracharya opined that Meru is at

> dhruvastahan. We all know that sitting atop meru Barahmaji creates the

> world.Thus when you say,to produce the verse on dhruva kalpa and

> Brahmaji kalpa as being the same, there seems to be good possibility of

> it.

> > >

> > > > It is also said in the Bhagvat that Dhruba had two sons one was

> vatsar or year and another was kalpa.Thus there seems to be ample proof

> that the ayanamsa chakra is the kalpa of Brahmaji.During the sidhanta

> period,due to lack of sufficient knowledge, they had got fantastic

> figure for the kalpa.It might be the confusion like the divya varsha and

> divya din mentioned variously in the various puranas.We do not know any

> 36o years cycle in nature.

> > >

> > > > thank you.

> > >

> > > > Hari Malla

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > , " harimalla@ .. " <harimalla@

> ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > , " harimalla@ " <harimalla@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > DEAR mamoths and ants,

> > >

> > > > > > If you all do not mind, while the mamoths wrestle and the ants

> bite,

> > >

> > > > > > as a diversion,I will take this opportunity to start a

> discussion with far reaching effects.perhaps this will distract the

> mamoths to some extent.

> > >

> > > > > > I have tried to analyse what is the meaning of divya din,

> divya varsha, yugas, manwantar and kalpa.

> > >

> > > > > > This is my interpretations of the shastriya time keeping.we

> have three types of days, the human day, divine day and brahmaji

> day.they are all realted to the earth axis.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > 1.Human day is 24 hours, being daily rotation around the earth

> axis or the pole star.

> > >

> > > > > > 2.Divine day is one year,divided into two by the diameter from

> winter solstice to summer solstice i.e. uttaryan to dakhinayan or the

> line joining the polestar to the sun.

> > >

> > > > > > 3.Brahmaji day is 258oo years being the one round of the pole

> star around ecliptic pole.

> > >

> > > > > > I invite the two mamoths to give their opinion on this point I

> have raised.when they try to think about this issue perhaps some of

> their energies will be properly utilised.The ants may also give their

> oinions please.I thank you all, if you help to discuss this idea.

> > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > >

> > > > > > Hari Malla

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > , " gopi_b927 "

> gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks4calling younger brother Dear Rohini ji,

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > I was(am)not speechless by HER grace but silent since it

> is my

> > >

> > > > > > > > > nature.What can i do when my post seem to be

> > >

> > > > > > > > > edited/moderated/ censored! !!!

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Any way first of all there is no rope 4me.

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > regards

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> jyotish_vani@

> > >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > When everything comes to a standstill, Gopi-ji and we

> are at the

> > >

> > > > > > > end

> > >

> > > > > > > > > of a rope as the expression goes, there is only one

> option that

> > >

> > > > > > > > remains!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Giving up! And that is when SHE comes gushing to collect

> your pieces

> > >

> > > > > > > > all

> > >

> > > > > > > > > of which belong to HER really and since DIVINITY is

> genderless,,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > exclusively to HER I suppose!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > That was what my younger brother was trying to say I

> am sure --

> > >

> > > > > > > but

> > >

> > > > > > > > > went speechless as you may have noticed!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR

> > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " gopi_b927 "

> gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > who is the panchayat here ants like you?........

> .when 2

> > >

> > > > > > > elephants

> > >

> > > > > > > > > are at

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > logerheads what can the ants do?Iam also leaving the

> answer to

> > >

> > > > > > > the

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > giants because i am helpless(like many).

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am just unable to understand with my little brain

> what does it

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > serve?Does it serve GOD?again i have my own little

> doubts.....

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Even if it is proved that one of them is right, what

> does it

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > mean.......GOD KNOWS!!!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > REGARDS,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> " Rohiniranjan "

> > >

> > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dada,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own

> individual

> > >

> > > > > > > ways!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite

> you from time

> > >

> > > > > > > to

> > >

> > > > > > > > > time

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that

> word from

> > >

> > > > > > > > > BVRaman's

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > astrological magazines back when I was a

> teenager...! ) trying

> > >

> > > > > > > to:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ? Register a public complaint so that current

> PANCHAAYAT may

> > >

> > > > > > > > > pronounce

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > a judgment in our cyber-village?

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ...

> (I will

> > >

> > > > > > > leave

> > >

> > > > > > > > > that

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill

> in the

> > >

> > > > > > > blanks!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Just

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > as a mental exercise that has been recently found

> helpful,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > healthwise by

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > doctors)

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or

> something

> > >

> > > > > > > like

> > >

> > > > > > > > > that?

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhul chook leni deni!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , Sunil

> Bhattacharjya

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > sunil_bhattacharjya @ wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > To all,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that

> Vayu purana

> > >

> > > > > > > > gives

> > >

> > > > > > > > > the

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One

> Saptarshi cycle =

> > >

> > > > > > > > > 2700

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of

> this verse he

> > >

> > > > > > > is

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the

> truth? He

> > >

> > > > > > > is

> > >

> > > > > > > > > citing

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable

> to Devaloka

> > >

> > > > > > > > and

> > >

> > > > > > > > > not

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he

> picked up

> > >

> > > > > > > > some

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Do Not Cite Scriptures

> Falsely, Mr

> > >

> > > > > > > > Sunil

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > bhattacharjya!

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > To All :

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one

> divya varsha

> > >

> > > > > > > > was

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > equal

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and

> Puranas, and

> > >

> > > > > > > > > refuses

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I

> sent him

> > >

> > > > > > > > verses

> > >

> > > > > > > > > from

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > all

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > those texts which he was falsely quoting.

> Thereafter, he

> > >

> > > > > > > > > hibernated

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods

> again, mixed

> > >

> > > > > > > with

> > >

> > > > > > > > > new

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > lies

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend

> some time, and

> > >

> > > > > > > I

> > >

> > > > > > > > > sent

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this

> abusive

> > >

> > > > > > > liar,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > after

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which will come again after some time with same

> falsehoods,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > feigning

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And

> he calls me

> > >

> > > > > > > > " an

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which

> will convince

> > >

> > > > > > > > > everyone

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites

> scriptures wrongly,

> > >

> > > > > > > > and

> > >

> > > > > > > > > is

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > too

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > haughty to admit his errors.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu

> Purana,

> > >

> > > > > > > which

> > >

> > > > > > > > > says

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > :

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu

> tat divi

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa

> > >

> > > > > > > chaiva-asuradvishaa

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > m " (Amsha- vi,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one

> divya

> > >

> > > > > > > > day-night

> > >

> > > > > > > > > /

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > (and)

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of

> gods

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to

> one

> > >

> > > > > > > > > chaturyuga.. . "

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word

> by word

> > >

> > > > > > > > because

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Mr

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sunil

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept

> such clear

> > >

> > > > > > > > > verdict

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as

> " my "

> > >

> > > > > > > invention

> > >

> > > > > > > > !

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof

> from

> > >

> > > > > > > > Mahabharata

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > (khanda

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " ,

> which means

> > >

> > > > > > > > days

> > >

> > > > > > > > > and

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by

> Surya. Verse 17

> > >

> > > > > > > > says

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " Daive

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah ,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > ahastatrodagayanam

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive

> raatryahanee

> > >

> > > > > > > > > varsham "

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of

> gods " . Here

> > >

> > > > > > > > > varsha is

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken

> from

> > >

> > > > > > > preceding

> > >

> > > > > > > > > two

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva

> day+night is

> > >

> > > > > > > > divided

> > >

> > > > > > > > > thus

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > :

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana

> is divine

> > >

> > > > > > > > night " .

> > >

> > > > > > > > > MBh

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is

> solar year :

> > >

> > > > > > > see

> > >

> > > > > > > > > verse

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 15

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and

> night in

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > maanushalaukika

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (but not in devaloka). "

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all

> major ancient

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisha

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Siddhantas :

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of

> 4320000 solar

> > >

> > > > > > > > years

> > >

> > > > > > > > > for

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of

> Dashageetikaa

> > >

> > > > > > > of

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga

> is 4320000

> > >

> > > > > > > > and

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Earth's

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828

> in

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise

> system of day

> > >

> > > > > > > count

> > >

> > > > > > > > > in

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of

> > >

> > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta)

> > >

> > > > > > > > .

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the

> mathematics of

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mahabharata

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in

> which

> > >

> > > > > > > 4320000

> > >

> > > > > > > > > normal

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > solar years of humans are said to make one

> mahayuga (see

> > >

> > > > > > > > verses

> > >

> > > > > > > > > 5-6)

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa

> (BSS, ch-i,

> > >

> > > > > > > > verse

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 10).

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and

> Brahma-sphuta-

> > >

> > > > > > > > siddhaanta

> > >

> > > > > > > > > all

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000

> years and

> > >

> > > > > > > not

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 43200000

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by

> misquoting texts.

> > >

> > > > > > > > His

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > stand

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is refuted by all these ancient texts :

> Suryasiddhanta,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Aryabhatiya

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada

> Purana,

> > >

> > > > > > > Vishnu

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dharmottara

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that

> one mahayuga

> > >

> > > > > > > is

> > >

> > > > > > > > > of

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal

> to 12000

> > >

> > > > > > > > divine

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > years.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only

> 12000 " solar "

> > >

> > > > > > > > years

> > >

> > > > > > > > > ?

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures

> in reverse

> > >

> > > > > > > > > direction

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > like

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11)

> clearly say

> > >

> > > > > > > > > that

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 360

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are

> equal to one

> > >

> > > > > > > divya

> > >

> > > > > > > > > year

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga

> (ie,

> > >

> > > > > > > Mahayuga).

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Exactly

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana

> (Amsha-i, chapter-3,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > verses

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a

> Chaturyuga

> > >

> > > > > > > have

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > lengths

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The

> sequence of

> > >

> > > > > > > > yugas

> > >

> > > > > > > > > is

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which

> means duration

> > >

> > > > > > > of

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Satyuga

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga

> 1200 " divya "

> > >

> > > > > > > > > years

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts

> the

> > >

> > > > > > > sequence

> > >

> > > > > > > > of

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > four

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800

> ? Even

> > >

> > > > > > > > > schoolboys do

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result

> of excessive

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > drinking,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > although he says that only two tolas of wine

> should be taken

> > >

> > > > > > > > > daily.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

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> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we

> are all

> > >

> > > > > > > > > brothers.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Then

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research

> and quoted

> > >

> > > > > > > > > several

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in

> the Rig

> > >

> > > > > > > Veda

> > >

> > > > > > > > it

> > >

> > > > > > > > > is

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > said

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote

> the exact

> > >

> > > > > > > verse

> > >

> > > > > > > > > where

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows

> that he

> > >

> > > > > > > missed

> > >

> > > > > > > > > the

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > most

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. "

> >>>

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda

> said that " all

> > >

> > > > > > > > 49

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Marutas

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49

> Maruts to be

> > >

> > > > > > > > humans,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > born

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic

> cloning in Rgvedic

> > >

> > > > > > > > > times,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a

> time ! Why

> > >

> > > > > > > > Sunil

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to

> mortals ?

> > >

> > > > > > > Rgveda

> > >

> > > > > > > > > never

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > said

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is

> lying. He

> > >

> > > > > > > should

> > >

> > > > > > > > > cite

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > texts honestly and properly, and should read

> scriptures

> > >

> > > > > > > > without

> > >

> > > > > > > > > a

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > goblet

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding

> simple Puranic

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Sanskrit

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > simple english and Hindi translations of the

> same should

> > >

> > > > > > > keep

> > >

> > > > > > > > > away

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that

> 12 years are

> > >

> > > > > > > > > needed

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > by

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !!

> Now-a-days every

> > >

> > > > > > > fool

> > >

> > > > > > > > > may

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > pose

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet

> out of

> > >

> > > > > > > context.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > All above exchanges took place over two months

> ago, after

> > >

> > > > > > > > which

> > >

> > > > > > > > > he

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > went

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > into hibernation because he could not refute the

> evidences,

> > >

> > > > > > > > but

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > after

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > two months came up again, repeating his old

> lies, believing

> > >

> > > > > > > > that

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > members

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago.

> In this

> > >

> > > > > > > > > connection,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own

> forum also

> > >

> > > > > > > > > cited

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > verses

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from Matsya Purana :

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for

> the Gods. A

> > >

> > > > > > > > > century of

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > men

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360

> Human years

> > >

> > > > > > > > make

> > >

> > > > > > > > > one

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human

> years make One

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thousand

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly

> repeated in

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Verses18-19 of

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Linga Purana cited below)

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the

> trouble takien.

> > >

> > > > > > > Let

> > >

> > > > > > > > > us

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > agree

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the

> definition of Vayu

> > >

> > > > > > > > > purana

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (57.17) " .

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana

> says that

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Divyavarsha

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal

> Lunar year. "

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever

> said that. Ask

> > >

> > > > > > > > him

> > >

> > > > > > > > > to

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got

> abuses.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of

> Puranas as

> > >

> > > > > > > > > shown

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > below,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his

> faults :

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from

> Narada

> > >

> > > > > > > Purana,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > which

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha

> in more

> > >

> > > > > > > > details

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > than

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet "

> (verse-24,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > ch-5)

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai

> dakshinaayanam " (forst

> > >

> > > > > > > > half

> > >

> > > > > > > > > of

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > verse-25, ch-5)

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then

> says two

> > >

> > > > > > > ayanas

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year

> (of humans)

> > >

> > > > > > > > which

> > >

> > > > > > > > > is

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > one

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that

> uttaraayana is

> > >

> > > > > > > " divasa "

> > >

> > > > > > > > > while

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in

> Vishnu

> > >

> > > > > > > Purana,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya,

> etc) , but SKB

> > >

> > > > > > > > > says it

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is

> " vague " to

> > >

> > > > > > > him,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > hence

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it is impossible to convince him what the

> Puranas & c say.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

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> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then

> " maasa' is

> > >

> > > > > > > > defined

> > >

> > > > > > > > > in

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > same

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane

> dakshinottare

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two

> ayanas uttara

> > >

> > > > > > > > and

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > dakshina

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > make one year

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is

> day of gods. "

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10)

> differentiates

> > >

> > > > > > > various

> > >

> > > > > > > > > types

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha,

> among others, as

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > different

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse

> 15-16 which say

> > >

> > > > > > > > one

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > human

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next

> verse, it is

> > >

> > > > > > > > said

> > >

> > > > > > > > > that

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " 30

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " ,

> the language

> > >

> > > > > > > is

> > >

> > > > > > > > > copy

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by

> me earlier

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa

> smritah " ).

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of

> Matsya Purana :

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani

> yaani tu

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena

> prakeertitah "

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one

> divya

> > >

> > > > > > > > > samvatsara " .

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses

> of matsya

> > >

> > > > > > > > Purana

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > about

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

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> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so

> much

> > >

> > > > > > > > (poorva-bhaaga

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > said by

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaayu) :

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800

> divya varshas,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > verse

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 61-62

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual

> details are

> > >

> > > > > > > in

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga

> said by Vayu

> > >

> > > > > > > :

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha

> varsha is defined

> > >

> > > > > > > > on

> > >

> > > > > > > > > the

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which

> is the

> > >

> > > > > > > > measure

> > >

> > > > > > > > > of

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > year

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing

> that Sun

> > >

> > > > > > > divides

> > >

> > > > > > > > > day

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like

> month and

> > >

> > > > > > > year

> > >

> > > > > > > > > are

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya

> varsha exactly

> > >

> > > > > > > > in

> > >

> > > > > > > > > the

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly

> saying a divya

> > >

> > > > > > > > > varsha to

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > be

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which

> is an exact

> > >

> > > > > > > > > replica

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

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> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words

> of Sage

> > >

> > > > > > > > Pulastya

> > >

> > > > > > > > > :

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Verse-7 says :

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara

> (ayana) is day

> > >

> > > > > > > (of

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > gods) "

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make

> one

> > >

> > > > > > > chaturyuga.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Verses

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 15-

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000

> divya

> > >

> > > > > > > > (suraadinaam)

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > varshas

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva)

> years " : the

> > >

> > > > > > > > > ratio is

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 852000 divya varshas =

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa-

> snritah /

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani-

> adhikaanicha "

> > >

> > > > > > > > > (verse

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 15-16) ;

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah

> samkgyayaanrpa /

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani-

> mahaamate /

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa

> /

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha-

> vatsareh / "

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

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> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which

> Sage

> > >

> > > > > > > Shaunaka

> > >

> > > > > > > > > says

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping

> Keshava) :

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and

> uttara ayana as

> > >

> > > > > > > > day

> > >

> > > > > > > > > of

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one

> ahoraatra

> > >

> > > > > > > of

> > >

> > > > > > > > > gods.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha

> Prithivipate

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api

> ganyate "

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years

> of humans

> > >

> > > > > > > are

> > >

> > > > > > > > > one

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Varsha of Gods "

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena

> chaturyuga-vikalpan aam "

> > >

> > > > > > > ,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > ie,

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in

> this very

> > >

> > > > > > > > divya

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > year

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (of 360 human years) "

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

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> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12

> : " ayane

> > >

> > > > > > > > > chaahanee

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah,

> samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas

> (uttaraayana and

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > dakshinaayana

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of

> gods) but are

> > >

> > > > > > > > > called

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of

> nrrnaam

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (maanusha-loka) .

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and

> intensified

> > >

> > > > > > > his

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > abusive

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going

> from one

> > >

> > > > > > > > falsehood

> > >

> > > > > > > > > to

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > another. But ancient texts must be cited

> correctly. There

> > >

> > > > > > > are

> > >

> > > > > > > > > some

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha

> should be equal

> > >

> > > > > > > to

> > >

> > > > > > > > > one

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > solar

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely

> like Mr Sunil

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more

> acceptable. Mr Sunil

> > >

> > > > > > > > makes

> > >

> > > > > > > > > a

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > mess

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas

> and Epics due

> > >

> > > > > > > to

> > >

> > > > > > > > > his

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > lack

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper

> traning in

> > >

> > > > > > > > > indological

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly

> he starts

> > >

> > > > > > > > posing

> > >

> > > > > > > > > as

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > an

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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