Guest guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Namaskaar Internet is not a medium of studying, discussing or debating upanishads. They are understood in solitude and under the kripa of Bhagawan and Guru. The Guru is not an ordinary " Internet Guru " , but, one who is well versed with the Shastra and is a Brahmnisthta. It is important that the great subject of Vedanta not be bought to forums and fought for. In the past, I too fought tooth and nail with every person who would care to speak on the subject. I would show off my intellectual prowess and " viveka " , but, unknowingly, I was only behaving like any other person who wants to control others. Vedanta is to set yourself free, and free others of you. It is a life changing subject. It is not meant for showing off one's knowledge and intellectual prowess. A teacher only teaches Vedanta when a question is asked. Lord Krishna did not speak for an entire chapter of Gita. He spoke only when Arjuna surrendered to the Lord's wisdom. And here we are, far cry from Lord Krishna's knowledge, engaged in upmanship. I have learnt from a very learned Guru that when we study the shastra, there can only be two possibilities: 1. We raise ourselves to the understanding of the Shastra and grow. 2. We bring the Shastra down to our level of understanding and destroy its significance for us. I could understand the import of these words initially. One day a man, who had joined vipassana meditation only recently, was discussing the subject of Krishna and Arjuna with another fellow. He asked a question intending to give its answer as well - Do you know why Krishna gave Bhagavad Gita to Arjuna and not to Duryodhana? " . Immediatelly interested, as if he were to gain some jnana, the other man eagerly asked " Why? " . And now I was eager to learn this new knowledge too. So I bend further and arched my ear so as to not to miss the answer. And the first man replied - " Krishna gave Bhagavad Gita vidya to Arjuna as he was his brother in law and Duryodhana wasn't!!!! " My jaw dropped and mouth involuntarily opened wide. I couldn't believe my ears. Here the Bhagawan himself was brought down to the level of this man's understanding. He made Bhagawan prone to selfishness, to relations, etc. It was then my Guru's words were clearly understood. Believe me 95% of the people belong to the 2nd category, if not more. Thanks and Regards Bharat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Dear Bharat Ji, And if I may be permitted to add one more subject/discipline to the Upanishads, it would be Jyotish :-) RR , Bharat - Hindu Astrology <astrologyhindu wrote: > > Namaskaar > > Internet is not a medium of studying, discussing or debating upanishads. > They are understood in solitude and under the kripa of Bhagawan and Guru. > The Guru is not an ordinary " Internet Guru " , but, one who is well versed > with the Shastra and is a Brahmnisthta. It is important that the great > subject of Vedanta not be bought to forums and fought for. > > In the past, I too fought tooth and nail with every person who would care to > speak on the subject. I would show off my intellectual prowess and " viveka " , > but, unknowingly, I was only behaving like any other person who wants to > control others. Vedanta is to set yourself free, and free others of you. It > is a life changing subject. It is not meant for showing off one's knowledge > and intellectual prowess. A teacher only teaches Vedanta when a question is > asked. Lord Krishna did not speak for an entire chapter of Gita. He spoke > only when Arjuna surrendered to the Lord's wisdom. And here we are, far cry > from Lord Krishna's knowledge, engaged in upmanship. > > I have learnt from a very learned Guru that when we study the shastra, there > can only be two possibilities: > > 1. We raise ourselves to the understanding of the Shastra and grow. > 2. We bring the Shastra down to our level of understanding and destroy its > significance for us. > > I could understand the import of these words initially. One day a man, who > had joined vipassana meditation only recently, was discussing the subject of > Krishna and Arjuna with another fellow. He asked a question intending to > give its answer as well - Do you know why Krishna gave Bhagavad Gita to > Arjuna and not to Duryodhana? " . Immediatelly interested, as if he were to > gain some jnana, the other man eagerly asked " Why? " . And now I was eager to > learn this new knowledge too. So I bend further and arched my ear so as to > not to miss the answer. And the first man replied - " Krishna gave Bhagavad > Gita vidya to Arjuna as he was his brother in law and Duryodhana wasn't!!!! " > > > My jaw dropped and mouth involuntarily opened wide. I couldn't believe my > ears. Here the Bhagawan himself was brought down to the level of this man's > understanding. He made Bhagawan prone to selfishness, to relations, etc. It > was then my Guru's words were clearly understood. > > Believe me 95% of the people belong to the 2nd category, if not more. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Dear Rohini, I am unable to agree with Bharatji's comment that the Internet is not a medium for studying, discussing or debating Upanishads. Probably Bharatji meant the Jyotishgroup in Internet is not the right forum for debate on the Upanishads. There are fora, such as the Advaita group, where good discussions on the Upanishads are taking place for several years. Secondly the Internet offers one advantage and that is the ability of one not to open the mails on a topic if one is not interested in or one is indifferent towards such topic. Further it is accepted in the Indian tradition to have more than one guru. Even Ramakrishna Paramhansa had more than one guru. So learning from the Internet discussions need not necessarily exclude or undermine the conventional gurus. Best wishes, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani Re: Study of Vedanta and limitless debates Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 4:07 PM Dear Bharat Ji, And if I may be permitted to add one more subject/discipline to the Upanishads, it would be Jyotish :-) RR , Bharat - Hindu Astrology <astrologyhindu@ ....> wrote: > > Namaskaar > > Internet is not a medium of studying, discussing or debating upanishads. > They are understood in solitude and under the kripa of Bhagawan and Guru. > The Guru is not an ordinary " Internet Guru " , but, one who is well versed > with the Shastra and is a Brahmnisthta. It is important that the great > subject of Vedanta not be bought to forums and fought for. > > In the past, I too fought tooth and nail with every person who would care to > speak on the subject. I would show off my intellectual prowess and " viveka " , > but, unknowingly, I was only behaving like any other person who wants to > control others. Vedanta is to set yourself free, and free others of you. It > is a life changing subject. It is not meant for showing off one's knowledge > and intellectual prowess. A teacher only teaches Vedanta when a question is > asked. Lord Krishna did not speak for an entire chapter of Gita. He spoke > only when Arjuna surrendered to the Lord's wisdom. And here we are, far cry > from Lord Krishna's knowledge, engaged in upmanship. > > I have learnt from a very learned Guru that when we study the shastra, there > can only be two possibilities: > > 1. We raise ourselves to the understanding of the Shastra and grow. > 2. We bring the Shastra down to our level of understanding and destroy its > significance for us. > > I could understand the import of these words initially. One day a man, who > had joined vipassana meditation only recently, was discussing the subject of > Krishna and Arjuna with another fellow. He asked a question intending to > give its answer as well - Do you know why Krishna gave Bhagavad Gita to > Arjuna and not to Duryodhana? " . Immediatelly interested, as if he were to > gain some jnana, the other man eagerly asked " Why? " . And now I was eager to > learn this new knowledge too. So I bend further and arched my ear so as to > not to miss the answer. And the first man replied - " Krishna gave Bhagavad > Gita vidya to Arjuna as he was his brother in law and Duryodhana wasn't!!!! " > > > My jaw dropped and mouth involuntarily opened wide. I couldn't believe my > ears. Here the Bhagawan himself was brought down to the level of this man's > understanding. He made Bhagawan prone to selfishness, to relations, etc. It > was then my Guru's words were clearly understood. > > Believe me 95% of the people belong to the 2nd category, if not more. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 But Dada, your writing style is such that friends or foe -- find it irresistable to avoid opening the email :-) Think of it this way, the day everyone helplessly stops opening your postings and feel helplessly compelled to respond to it ;-) you would have taught them something! Self-discipline and Niyama! <now I better run for cover just in case totten eggs and tamaatars head this way!> Rohini , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Dear Rohini, > > I am unable to agree with Bharatji's comment that the Internet is not a medium for studying, discussing or debating Upanishads. Probably Bharatji meant the Jyotishgroup in Internet is not the right forum for debate on the Upanishads. There are fora, such as the Advaita group, where good discussions on the Upanishads are taking place for several years. > > Secondly the Internet offers one advantage and that is the ability of one not to open the mails on a topic if one is not interested in or one is indifferent towards such topic. > > Further it is accepted in the Indian tradition to have more than one guru. Even Ramakrishna Paramhansa had more than one guru. So learning from the Internet discussions need not necessarily exclude or undermine the conventional gurus. > > Best wishes, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani > Re: Study of Vedanta and limitless debates > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 4:07 PM > > > > > > Dear Bharat Ji, > > > > And if I may be permitted to add one more subject/discipline to the Upanishads, it would be Jyotish :-) > > > > RR > > > > , Bharat - Hindu Astrology <astrologyhindu@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Namaskaar > > > > > > Internet is not a medium of studying, discussing or debating upanishads. > > > They are understood in solitude and under the kripa of Bhagawan and Guru. > > > The Guru is not an ordinary " Internet Guru " , but, one who is well versed > > > with the Shastra and is a Brahmnisthta. It is important that the great > > > subject of Vedanta not be bought to forums and fought for. > > > > > > In the past, I too fought tooth and nail with every person who would care to > > > speak on the subject. I would show off my intellectual prowess and " viveka " , > > > but, unknowingly, I was only behaving like any other person who wants to > > > control others. Vedanta is to set yourself free, and free others of you. It > > > is a life changing subject. It is not meant for showing off one's knowledge > > > and intellectual prowess. A teacher only teaches Vedanta when a question is > > > asked. Lord Krishna did not speak for an entire chapter of Gita. He spoke > > > only when Arjuna surrendered to the Lord's wisdom. And here we are, far cry > > > from Lord Krishna's knowledge, engaged in upmanship. > > > > > > I have learnt from a very learned Guru that when we study the shastra, there > > > can only be two possibilities: > > > > > > 1. We raise ourselves to the understanding of the Shastra and grow. > > > 2. We bring the Shastra down to our level of understanding and destroy its > > > significance for us. > > > > > > I could understand the import of these words initially. One day a man, who > > > had joined vipassana meditation only recently, was discussing the subject of > > > Krishna and Arjuna with another fellow. He asked a question intending to > > > give its answer as well - Do you know why Krishna gave Bhagavad Gita to > > > Arjuna and not to Duryodhana? " . Immediatelly interested, as if he were to > > > gain some jnana, the other man eagerly asked " Why? " . And now I was eager to > > > learn this new knowledge too. So I bend further and arched my ear so as to > > > not to miss the answer. And the first man replied - " Krishna gave Bhagavad > > > Gita vidya to Arjuna as he was his brother in law and Duryodhana wasn't!!!! " > > > > > > > > > My jaw dropped and mouth involuntarily opened wide. I couldn't believe my > > > ears. Here the Bhagawan himself was brought down to the level of this man's > > > understanding. He made Bhagawan prone to selfishness, to relations, etc. It > > > was then my Guru's words were clearly understood. > > > > > > Believe me 95% of the people belong to the 2nd category, if not more. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Shri Rohini ji, I thank you for making me laugh by your style of writing (the satire). BTW, what is that totten eggs - could be a typo... I suppose. Sincerely yours, C.S. Ravindramani. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vaniwrote: > > > But Dada, your writing style is such that friends or foe -- find it > irresistable to avoid opening the email :-) > > Think of it this way, the day everyone helplessly stops opening your > postings and feel helplessly compelled to respond to it ;-) you would have > taught them something! Self-discipline and Niyama! > > <now I better run for cover just in case totten eggs and tamaatars head > this way!> > > Rohini > > <%40>, > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > I am unable to agree with Bharatji's comment that the Internet is not a > medium for studying, discussing or debating Upanishads. Probably Bharatji > meant the Jyotishgroup in Internet is not the right forum for debate on the > Upanishads. There are fora, such as the Advaita group, where good > discussions on the Upanishads are taking place for several years. > > > > Secondly the Internet offers one advantage and that is the ability of one > not to open the mails on a topic if one is not interested in or one is > indifferent towards such topic. > > > > Further it is accepted in the Indian tradition to have more than one > guru. Even Ramakrishna Paramhansa had more than one guru. So learning from > the Internet discussions need not necessarily exclude or undermine the > conventional gurus. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > > --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani > > Re: Study of Vedanta and limitless debates > > <%40> > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 4:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat Ji, > > > > > > > > And if I may be permitted to add one more subject/discipline to the > Upanishads, it would be Jyotish :-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , Bharat - Hindu Astrology > <astrologyhindu@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar > > > > > > > > > > Internet is not a medium of studying, discussing or debating > upanishads. > > > > > They are understood in solitude and under the kripa of Bhagawan and > Guru. > > > > > The Guru is not an ordinary " Internet Guru " , but, one who is well > versed > > > > > with the Shastra and is a Brahmnisthta. It is important that the great > > > > > subject of Vedanta not be bought to forums and fought for. > > > > > > > > > > In the past, I too fought tooth and nail with every person who would > care to > > > > > speak on the subject. I would show off my intellectual prowess and > " viveka " , > > > > > but, unknowingly, I was only behaving like any other person who wants > to > > > > > control others. Vedanta is to set yourself free, and free others of > you. It > > > > > is a life changing subject. It is not meant for showing off one's > knowledge > > > > > and intellectual prowess. A teacher only teaches Vedanta when a > question is > > > > > asked. Lord Krishna did not speak for an entire chapter of Gita. He > spoke > > > > > only when Arjuna surrendered to the Lord's wisdom. And here we are, far > cry > > > > > from Lord Krishna's knowledge, engaged in upmanship. > > > > > > > > > > I have learnt from a very learned Guru that when we study the shastra, > there > > > > > can only be two possibilities: > > > > > > > > > > 1. We raise ourselves to the understanding of the Shastra and grow. > > > > > 2. We bring the Shastra down to our level of understanding and destroy > its > > > > > significance for us. > > > > > > > > > > I could understand the import of these words initially. One day a man, > who > > > > > had joined vipassana meditation only recently, was discussing the > subject of > > > > > Krishna and Arjuna with another fellow. He asked a question intending > to > > > > > give its answer as well - Do you know why Krishna gave Bhagavad Gita to > > > > > Arjuna and not to Duryodhana? " . Immediatelly interested, as if he were > to > > > > > gain some jnana, the other man eagerly asked " Why? " . And now I was > eager to > > > > > learn this new knowledge too. So I bend further and arched my ear so as > to > > > > > not to miss the answer. And the first man replied - " Krishna gave > Bhagavad > > > > > Gita vidya to Arjuna as he was his brother in law and Duryodhana > wasn't!!!! " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My jaw dropped and mouth involuntarily opened wide. I couldn't believe > my > > > > > ears. Here the Bhagawan himself was brought down to the level of this > man's > > > > > understanding. He made Bhagawan prone to selfishness, to relations, > etc. It > > > > > was then my Guru's words were clearly understood. > > > > > > > > > > Believe me 95% of the people belong to the 2nd category, if not more. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Dear Ravindramani ji, Surely you have heard of the superstition where if one deliberately misspells -- the evil vanishes and the bad curse does not materialize! Superstitions such as those do not actually work as you have brilliantly demonstrated and thus destroyed my naivete ;-( Now I must go wash my cyber-face so that the rotting sulphur from the tossed eggs remains merely but another memory ;-) By the way, and entirely not connected with the above response, one wonders why the planet venus the epitome of love in jyotish is so full of putrid sulphur and sulphuric acid! Maybe we should not take the 'physical' and visible planets too literally? ;-) Take it easy... Regards, Rohiniranjan , Ravindramani CS <ravindramani wrote: > > Shri Rohini ji, > > I thank you for making me laugh by your style of writing (the satire). BTW, > what is that totten eggs - could be a typo... I suppose. > > Sincerely yours, C.S. Ravindramani. > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vaniwrote: > > > > > > > But Dada, your writing style is such that friends or foe -- find it > > irresistable to avoid opening the email :-) > > > > Think of it this way, the day everyone helplessly stops opening your > > postings and feel helplessly compelled to respond to it ;-) you would have > > taught them something! Self-discipline and Niyama! > > > > <now I better run for cover just in case totten eggs and tamaatars head > > this way!> > > > > Rohini > > > > <%40>, > > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > > > I am unable to agree with Bharatji's comment that the Internet is not a > > medium for studying, discussing or debating Upanishads. Probably Bharatji > > meant the Jyotishgroup in Internet is not the right forum for debate on the > > Upanishads. There are fora, such as the Advaita group, where good > > discussions on the Upanishads are taking place for several years. > > > > > > Secondly the Internet offers one advantage and that is the ability of one > > not to open the mails on a topic if one is not interested in or one is > > indifferent towards such topic. > > > > > > Further it is accepted in the Indian tradition to have more than one > > guru. Even Ramakrishna Paramhansa had more than one guru. So learning from > > the Internet discussions need not necessarily exclude or undermine the > > conventional gurus. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> > > > Re: Study of Vedanta and limitless debates > > > <%40> > > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 4:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > And if I may be permitted to add one more subject/discipline to the > > Upanishads, it would be Jyotish :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > <astrologyhindu@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Internet is not a medium of studying, discussing or debating > > upanishads. > > > > > > > They are understood in solitude and under the kripa of Bhagawan and > > Guru. > > > > > > > The Guru is not an ordinary " Internet Guru " , but, one who is well > > versed > > > > > > > with the Shastra and is a Brahmnisthta. It is important that the great > > > > > > > subject of Vedanta not be bought to forums and fought for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the past, I too fought tooth and nail with every person who would > > care to > > > > > > > speak on the subject. I would show off my intellectual prowess and > > " viveka " , > > > > > > > but, unknowingly, I was only behaving like any other person who wants > > to > > > > > > > control others. Vedanta is to set yourself free, and free others of > > you. It > > > > > > > is a life changing subject. It is not meant for showing off one's > > knowledge > > > > > > > and intellectual prowess. A teacher only teaches Vedanta when a > > question is > > > > > > > asked. Lord Krishna did not speak for an entire chapter of Gita. He > > spoke > > > > > > > only when Arjuna surrendered to the Lord's wisdom. And here we are, far > > cry > > > > > > > from Lord Krishna's knowledge, engaged in upmanship. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have learnt from a very learned Guru that when we study the shastra, > > there > > > > > > > can only be two possibilities: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. We raise ourselves to the understanding of the Shastra and grow. > > > > > > > 2. We bring the Shastra down to our level of understanding and destroy > > its > > > > > > > significance for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could understand the import of these words initially. One day a man, > > who > > > > > > > had joined vipassana meditation only recently, was discussing the > > subject of > > > > > > > Krishna and Arjuna with another fellow. He asked a question intending > > to > > > > > > > give its answer as well - Do you know why Krishna gave Bhagavad Gita to > > > > > > > Arjuna and not to Duryodhana? " . Immediatelly interested, as if he were > > to > > > > > > > gain some jnana, the other man eagerly asked " Why? " . And now I was > > eager to > > > > > > > learn this new knowledge too. So I bend further and arched my ear so as > > to > > > > > > > not to miss the answer. And the first man replied - " Krishna gave > > Bhagavad > > > > > > > Gita vidya to Arjuna as he was his brother in law and Duryodhana > > wasn't!!!! " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My jaw dropped and mouth involuntarily opened wide. I couldn't believe > > my > > > > > > > ears. Here the Bhagawan himself was brought down to the level of this > > man's > > > > > > > understanding. He made Bhagawan prone to selfishness, to relations, > > etc. It > > > > > > > was then my Guru's words were clearly understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Believe me 95% of the people belong to the 2nd category, if not more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Daear Rohiniranjanji, I support you, may be we should not take the physical and visible planets too literally. <By the way, and entirely not connected with the above response, one wonders why the planet venus the epitome of love in jyotish is so full of putrid sulphur and sulphuric acid! Maybe we should not take the 'physical' and visible planets too literally?> Here are some hints as to what the planets as intended by the prophets could mean, Mangal possibly means the earth magnetic field. Budha posibly means the internal electricity of the earth. Brihaspati means the earth axis.I am sure of this, from the meanings of the puranas. It never means the physical planet jupiter. etc.etc.These meanings are also given in the Genesis 1 of Bible, the seven days of creaton. We can also deduce the meanings from the stories of the puranas like Brihasati as the Guru of the devas and how the moon stole the wife of Brihasati, Tara etc. Regards, Hari Malla , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Ravindramani ji, > > Surely you have heard of the superstition where if one deliberately misspells -- the evil vanishes and the bad curse does not materialize! > > Superstitions such as those do not actually work as you have brilliantly demonstrated and thus destroyed my naivete ;-( > > Now I must go wash my cyber-face so that the rotting sulphur from the tossed eggs remains merely but another memory ;-) > > > By the way, and entirely not connected with the above response, one wonders why the planet venus the epitome of love in jyotish is so full of putrid sulphur and sulphuric acid! > > Maybe we should not take the 'physical' and visible planets too literally? ;-) > > Take it easy... > > Regards, > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , Ravindramani CS <ravindramani@> wrote: > > > > Shri Rohini ji, > > > > I thank you for making me laugh by your style of writing (the satire). BTW, > > what is that totten eggs - could be a typo... I suppose. > > > > Sincerely yours, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > But Dada, your writing style is such that friends or foe -- find it > > > irresistable to avoid opening the email :-) > > > > > > Think of it this way, the day everyone helplessly stops opening your > > > postings and feel helplessly compelled to respond to it ;-) you would have > > > taught them something! Self-discipline and Niyama! > > > > > > <now I better run for cover just in case totten eggs and tamaatars head > > > this way!> > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > <%40>, > > > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > > > > > I am unable to agree with Bharatji's comment that the Internet is not a > > > medium for studying, discussing or debating Upanishads. Probably Bharatji > > > meant the Jyotishgroup in Internet is not the right forum for debate on the > > > Upanishads. There are fora, such as the Advaita group, where good > > > discussions on the Upanishads are taking place for several years. > > > > > > > > Secondly the Internet offers one advantage and that is the ability of one > > > not to open the mails on a topic if one is not interested in or one is > > > indifferent towards such topic. > > > > > > > > Further it is accepted in the Indian tradition to have more than one > > > guru. Even Ramakrishna Paramhansa had more than one guru. So learning from > > > the Internet discussions need not necessarily exclude or undermine the > > > conventional gurus. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> > > > > Re: Study of Vedanta and limitless debates > > > > <%40> > > > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 4:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bharat Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if I may be permitted to add one more subject/discipline to the > > > Upanishads, it would be Jyotish :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Bharat - Hindu Astrology > > > <astrologyhindu@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Internet is not a medium of studying, discussing or debating > > > upanishads. > > > > > > > > > They are understood in solitude and under the kripa of Bhagawan and > > > Guru. > > > > > > > > > The Guru is not an ordinary " Internet Guru " , but, one who is well > > > versed > > > > > > > > > with the Shastra and is a Brahmnisthta. It is important that the great > > > > > > > > > subject of Vedanta not be bought to forums and fought for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the past, I too fought tooth and nail with every person who would > > > care to > > > > > > > > > speak on the subject. I would show off my intellectual prowess and > > > " viveka " , > > > > > > > > > but, unknowingly, I was only behaving like any other person who wants > > > to > > > > > > > > > control others. Vedanta is to set yourself free, and free others of > > > you. It > > > > > > > > > is a life changing subject. It is not meant for showing off one's > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > and intellectual prowess. A teacher only teaches Vedanta when a > > > question is > > > > > > > > > asked. Lord Krishna did not speak for an entire chapter of Gita. He > > > spoke > > > > > > > > > only when Arjuna surrendered to the Lord's wisdom. And here we are, far > > > cry > > > > > > > > > from Lord Krishna's knowledge, engaged in upmanship. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have learnt from a very learned Guru that when we study the shastra, > > > there > > > > > > > > > can only be two possibilities: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. We raise ourselves to the understanding of the Shastra and grow. > > > > > > > > > 2. We bring the Shastra down to our level of understanding and destroy > > > its > > > > > > > > > significance for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could understand the import of these words initially. One day a man, > > > who > > > > > > > > > had joined vipassana meditation only recently, was discussing the > > > subject of > > > > > > > > > Krishna and Arjuna with another fellow. He asked a question intending > > > to > > > > > > > > > give its answer as well - Do you know why Krishna gave Bhagavad Gita to > > > > > > > > > Arjuna and not to Duryodhana? " . Immediatelly interested, as if he were > > > to > > > > > > > > > gain some jnana, the other man eagerly asked " Why? " . And now I was > > > eager to > > > > > > > > > learn this new knowledge too. So I bend further and arched my ear so as > > > to > > > > > > > > > not to miss the answer. And the first man replied - " Krishna gave > > > Bhagavad > > > > > > > > > Gita vidya to Arjuna as he was his brother in law and Duryodhana > > > wasn't!!!! " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My jaw dropped and mouth involuntarily opened wide. I couldn't believe > > > my > > > > > > > > > ears. Here the Bhagawan himself was brought down to the level of this > > > man's > > > > > > > > > understanding. He made Bhagawan prone to selfishness, to relations, > > > etc. It > > > > > > > > > was then my Guru's words were clearly understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Believe me 95% of the people belong to the 2nd category, if not more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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