Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil bhattacharjya !

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, " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> When everything comes to a standstill, Gopi-ji and we are at the end

of a rope as the expression goes, there is only one option that remains!

Giving up! And that is when SHE comes gushing to collect your pieces all

of which belong to HER really and since DIVINITY is genderless,,

exclusively to HER I suppose!

>

> That was what my younger brother was trying to say I am sure -- but

went speechless as you may have noticed!

>

> RR

>

>

> , " gopi_b927 " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Rohini ji,

> >

> > who is the panchayat here ants like you?.........when 2 elephants

are at

> > logerheads what can the ants do?Iam also leaving the answer to the

> > giants because i am helpless(like many).

> >

> > I am just unable to understand with my little brain what does it

> > serve?Does it serve GOD?again i have my own little doubts.....

> >

> > Even if it is proved that one of them is right, what does it

> > mean.......GOD KNOWS!!!

> >

> > REGARDS,

> >

> > gopi.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Dada,

> > >

> > > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual ways!

> > >

> > > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time to

time

> > and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> > >

> > > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from

BVRaman's

> > astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...!) trying to:

> > >

> > > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may

pronounce

> > a judgment in our cyber-village?

> > >

> > > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will leave

that

> > unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the blanks!

Just

> > as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful,

healthwise by

> > doctors)

> > >

> > > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something like

that?

> > >

> > > Bhul chook leni deni!

> > >

> > > Rohini

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > To all,

> > > >

> > > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana gives

the

> > explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle =

2700

> > Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> > > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he is

> > avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> > > >

> > > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He is

citing

> > verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka and

not

> > to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up some

> > wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> > > >

> > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@

> > > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil

> > bhattacharjya!

> > > >

> > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To All :

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha was

> > equal

> > > >

> > > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and

refuses

> > to

> > > >

> > > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him verses

from

> > all

> > > >

> > > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he

hibernated

> > for

> > > >

> > > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed with

new

> > lies

> > > >

> > > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and I

sent

> > > >

> > > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive liar,

after

> > > >

> > > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods,

feigning

> > to

> > > >

> > > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me " an

> > > >

> > > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince

everyone

> > > >

> > > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly, and

is

> > too

> > > >

> > > > haughty to admit his errors.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana, which

says

> > :

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa chaiva-asuradvishaa

> > m " (Amsha- vi,

> > > >

> > > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya day-night

/

> > (and)

> > > >

> > > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

> > (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> > > >

> > > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one

chaturyuga.. . "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word because

Mr

> > Sunil

> > > >

> > > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear

verdict

> > and

> > > >

> > > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my " invention !

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from Mahabharata

> > (khanda

> > > >

> > > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means days

and

> > > >

> > > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17 says

> > " Daive

> > > >

> > > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah ,

ahastatrodagayanam

> > > >

> > > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee

varsham "

> > > >

> > > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here

varsha is

> > > >

> > > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from preceding

two

> > > >

> > > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is divided

thus

> > :

> > > >

> > > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine night " .

MBh

> > > >

> > > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year : see

verse

> > 15

> > > >

> > > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

> > maanushalaukika

> > > >

> > > > (but not in devaloka). "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

> > Jyotisha

> > > >

> > > > Siddhantas :

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar years

for

> > a

> > > >

> > > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa of

> > > >

> > > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000 and

> > Earth's

> > > >

> > > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in

Suryasiddhanta,

> > > >

> > > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day count

in

> > > >

> > > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of Suryasiddhanta) .

> > > >

> > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

> > Mahabharata

> > > >

> > > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which 4320000

normal

> > > >

> > > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see verses

5-6)

> > and

> > > >

> > > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i, verse

> > 10).

> > > >

> > > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta

all

> > > >

> > > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and not

> > 43200000

> > > >

> > > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts. His

> > stand

> > > >

> > > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta,

Aryabhatiya

> > and

> > > >

> > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vishnu

> > Dharmottara

> > > >

> > > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga is

of

> > > >

> > > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000 divine

> > years.

> > > >

> > > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar " years

?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse

direction

> > like

> > > >

> > > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say

that

> > 360

> > > >

> > > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one divya

year

> > and

> > > >

> > > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga).

> > Exactly

> > > >

> > > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3,

verses

> > > >

> > > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have

> > lengths

> > > >

> > > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of yugas

is

> > > >

> > > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of

> > Satyuga

> > > >

> > > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya "

years

> > > >

> > > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the sequence of

> > four

> > > >

> > > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even

schoolboys do

> > not

> > > >

> > > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

> > drinking,

> > > >

> > > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken

daily.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all

brothers.

> > Then

> > > >

> > > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted

several

> > > >

> > > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig Veda it

is

> > said

> > > >

> > > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse

where

> > it

> > > >

> > > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he missed

the

> > most

> > > >

> > > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all 49

> > Marutas

> > > >

> > > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be humans,

> > born

> > > >

> > > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic

times,

> > > >

> > > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why Sunil

> > > >

> > > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ? Rgveda

never

> > said

> > > >

> > > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He should

cite

> > > >

> > > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures without

a

> > goblet

> > > >

> > > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic

Sanskrit

> > and

> > > >

> > > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should keep

away

> > from

> > > >

> > > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are

needed

> > by

> > > >

> > > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every fool

may

> > pose

> > > >

> > > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of context.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after which

he

> > went

> > > >

> > > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences, but

> > after

> > > >

> > > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing that

> > members

> > > >

> > > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this

connection,

> > > >

> > > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also

cited

> > verses

> > > >

> > > > from Matsya Purana :

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > <<<

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A

century of

> > men

> > > >

> > > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years make

one

> > > >

> > > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

> > Thousand

> > > >

> > > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in

Verses18-19 of

> > > >

> > > > Linga Purana cited below)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >>>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien. Let

us

> > agree

> > > >

> > > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu

purana

> > > >

> > > > (57.17) " .

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that

Divyavarsha

> > is

> > > >

> > > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him

to

> > > >

> > > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as

shown

> > below,

> > > >

> > > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana,

which

> > > >

> > > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details

> > than

> > > >

> > > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24,

ch-5)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half

of

> > > >

> > > > verse-25, ch-5)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas

> > > >

> > > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which

is

> > one

> > > >

> > > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa "

while

> > > >

> > > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana,

> > > >

> > > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB

says it

> > is

> > > >

> > > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him,

hence

> > > >

> > > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined

in

> > same

> > > >

> > > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and

> > dakshina

> > > >

> > > > make one year

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various

types

> > of

> > > >

> > > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

> > different

> > > >

> > > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one

> > human

> > > >

> > > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said

that

> > " 30

> > > >

> > > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language is

copy

> > of

> > > >

> > > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

> > > >

> > > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya

samvatsara " .

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana

> > about

> > > >

> > > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much (poorva-bhaaga

> > said by

> > > >

> > > > Vaayu) :

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas,

verse

> > 61-62

> > > >

> > > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in

> > > >

> > > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu :

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on

the

> > > >

> > > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure

of

> > year

> > > >

> > > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides

day

> > and

> > > >

> > > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and year

are

> > > >

> > > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in

the

> > > >

> > > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya

varsha to

> > be

> > > >

> > > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact

replica

> > of

> > > >

> > > > Matsya Purana.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya

:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Verse-7 says :

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of

> > gods) "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga.

Verses

> > 15-

> > > >

> > > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam)

> > varshas

> > > >

> > > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the

ratio is

> > > >

> > > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 852000 divya varshas =

> > > >

> > > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

> > > >

> > > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha "

(verse

> > 15-16) ;

> > > >

> > > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> > > >

> > > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

> > > >

> > > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

> > > >

> > > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

> > > >

> > > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka

says

> > > >

> > > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day

of

> > > >

> > > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of

gods.

> > > >

> > > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are

one

> > > >

> > > > Varsha of Gods "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam " ,

ie,

> > > >

> > > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya

> > year

> > > >

> > > > (of 360 human years) "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane

chaahanee

> > > >

> > > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> > > >

> > > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

> > dakshinaayana

> > > >

> > > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are

called

> > > >

> > > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

> > > >

> > > > (maanusha-loka) .

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his

> > abusive

> > > >

> > > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood

to

> > > >

> > > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There are

some

> > > >

> > > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal to

one

> > solar

> > > >

> > > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

> > > >

> > > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil makes

a

> > mess

> > > >

> > > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due to

his

> > lack

> > > >

> > > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in

indological

> > > >

> > > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts posing

as

> > an

> > > >

> > > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > >

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